MMO Game Recap: Diamondbacks 3, Mets 2

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The New York Mets lost the first of three games against the Arizona Diamondbacks by the score of 3-2 on a quiet Saturday night at Citi Field. The loss dropped the Mets to five games under .500 at 21-26.

Zack Wheeler (1-5, 4.31) got the start and delivered one of his best outings of the season for the Mets. He tossed a season high 6.2 innings and held the Diamondbacks to three runs and only two earned on six hits. More importantly, he walked just one batter while striking out seven.

This was a much needed strong effort by Wheeler who came into the game allowing five or more runs in four of his last five starts. Hopefully tonight was the beginning of a nice string of starts for the young Mets righty.

Southpaw Josh Edgin relieved Wheeler and got an out to complete the seventh. Carlos Torres was called upon in the eight and pitched a 1-2-3 inning and then picked up the first out in the ninth before being relieved by Scott Rice who got the second out Jose Valverde came in to get the final out in the ninth.

Offensively the Mets were held to just two runs on seven hits on the night, but they squandered many chances to break the game open including stranding the bases loaded in the first and leaving eight runners on base overall.

Daniel Murphy singled and scored a run in the third, but hit into an inning ending doubleplay in the seventh when the Mets had the tying and winning runs on base and really needed a base hit.

The Mets mounted another rally in the bottom of the eighth when Curtis Granderson singled for his second hit of the day, and then Chris Young followed with a walk to put two runners on first and second. But the Mets failed again to come up with a timely hit as Lucas Duda and Wilmer Flores both popped out to leave the runners stranded

David Wright had three hits in the game including his third home run of the season in the fifth to get the Mets within one run.

With the loss the Mets are now 6-11 in one run games.

The Mets play a single admission doubleheader on Sunday against the D’Backs with Rafael Montero getting the start in Game 1, while Daisuke Matsuzaka gets a spot start for the Amazins in Game 2. The action begins at 1:10 PM and we invite you to join our game thread. Lets Go Mets!

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  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Can’t get swept tomorrow. Can’t get swept by the worst team in baseball.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Gotta figure out how to score some runs at home.

  • Chris H

    Mets get swept by the DBacks then get Swept by the pirates then I hope Terry and coaches are replaced and maybe a few trades.

  • Wolfmicky21

    That might be where EYJ fits in – scoring those “bs” runs

  • omar minayass

    2nd worst team*

  • AJF

    This hitting philosophy is working GREAT! Other teams are foolish for not coping!

  • omar minayass

    i really enjoy turning the game on during my day off to see duda take first pitch cokshots every single AB

  • billpulsipher

    2 worst teams in the league. BOYCOTT

  • AJF

    But than the new coaches will still have to follow Sandy orders I want to replace the whole staff as well but I really think the GM has a lot to do with this as well

  • KennyandtheMets

    Another pathetic offensive game. If Sandy is serious about contending, he has GOT to upgrade the offense at 1B and LF. I don’t want to hear about how this team is 8th in the league in runs scored. They had big games in Colirado and at Yankee Stadium.

  • omar minayass

    is it too late to ask someone from MMO to attend banner day & take a picture of all the banners that aren’t allowed into the stadium tomorrow?

  • AJF

    I can pitch great against this team too

  • AJF

    A bad team getting swept by a worst team really does not mean much

  • KennyandtheMets

    Get a 1B and LFer who can hit.

  • davidizwright

    How was Flores’ error? Didn’t see the game.

  • MAS0031

    Think of the positive Mets fans, we’re on our way to a top 5 pick!

  • Chris H

    No i think if they bring in someone new they will let them manage their way for awhile before trying to go dictator on them

  • MikePiazza3186

    #shame

  • BadBadLeroyBrown
  • metsfan79

    Wtf terry collins why are u running flores and lagares out there everyday ………. Just kidding but seriously Duda is looking good

  • Matt Mosher

    No one – not Sandy, not Fred and not Jeff – is serious about winning. That’s been pretty obvious for a couple years now.

  • metsfan79

    Come on guy u can’t sweep yourself or can u ?

  • Matt Mosher

    Duda is what he is. Very mediocre.

  • MAS0031

    Duda is absolute garbage. I’m not saying Ike was the answer, but Lucas Duda hasn’t shown as jack for 4 years. Top 5 pick here we come! Boycott

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Remember when EVERYONE laughed at me when I said Ike Davis would have a WAY BETTER year than Duda???

    Still more time to go but So far…………………………….

    Ike Davis >>> Lucas DooDoo

  • MattHarvey’sEgo

    Ike Davis sucks, too. He’s a singles hitter in Pittsburgh. Good riddance to him.

  • Matt Mosher

    Exactly….lol. They are both terrible.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Isnt that what Wright is to us now?

  • “Still more time to go…”
    yeah, like over 2/3 of the season. You can’t possibly remember all the times people laugh at you man

  • if you ignore his 2B and HR

  • Matt Mosher

    Wright is not the problem. Having nothing around him is. If Wright is put into the supporting cast instead of the main attraction, we’d be a much, much stronger team.

  • Same old Mets

    Who was the as*hole who decided Duda was the one who should be kept instead of Davis. What was it based on, that Duda draws a walk every now and again. Davis was no great shakes but any fool knew he was better than Duda. The douchebag who made the decision should be fired. Hey Sandy, the Marlins only needed one year to rebuild, you really blow as GM. The Wilpons should have built Citifield with seating capacity for 12000. That way it will look full come July. Yankees down 3 in the ninth on the road,they win. Mets home down 1, they go down meekly. What a disaster for an Organization. Hey Collins, I know youre not the only reason this team sucks, but it starts at the top. Hey we’re in last place, go figure.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Both Duda and CY are way below average on offense at their positions. LF and 1B are supposed to be the two top offensive positions.

  • 2rings

    that is overrating him big time

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Ike Davis

    7Dbl, 3HR, .276avg/.382obp/.414slg/.796ops/126ops+

    David Wright

    11Dbl, 2HR, .297avg/.338obp/.385slg/.723ops/106ops+

    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Ike Davis

    7 Dbl, 3HR, .276avg/.382obp/.414slg/.796ops/126ops+

    David Wright

    11Dbl, 2HR, .297avg/.338obp/.385slg/.723ops/106ops+

    Lucas Duda

    5 Dbl, 5 HR, .244avg/.324obp/.402slg/.726ops/105ops+

    (Stats are prior to todays game)

    Special Stats Request for @Mr. belvedere:
    Wright = 49Ks, 11BB
    Davis = 22k’s, 20BB
    Duda = 35Ks, 13BB

    Im just saying…………………………………………………… o_O

  • Chris H

    Duda is great Terry is outstanding man I think I had one to many lol

  • Phoenix Met

    If it will make you post less, or…not at all, I’d be willing to do one of those lamo “Quit the Board!!” bets with you. I say Davis will have the better stats at the end of the year than Duda. Since you obviously seem to think otherwise. What ya think? You in?

  • HarveyKsYou

    This offense is the worst in mets history.

  • keith

    Davis was done here. Toast. I liked him as a rookie, but than he collided with Wright. All down hill from there. Nice guy. Good luck. See ya!

  • metsfan79

    Sad go sign kmorales. First base fixed. Dfa dudu

  • 2rings

    I hope Ike comes into town on Monday and jacks a few out and as he touches home plate, just looks at TC and smiles

  • ed charles

    I already see Tejada at SS for one of those games…

  • ed charles

    And that is saying something!

  • metsfan79

    I wonder if there tinkering with batting J.DeGrom 4 when he pitches.?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LOL!

    Too funny….That guy brings nothing to the table

  • KennyandtheMets

    Ike was not the answer for us at 1B either. Duda isn’t either. Sandy has a lot of work to do. He has to bring in a 1B and LFer who can really produce on offense.

  • mr. belvedere

    I hope he doesn’t…and it’s not like he’s big power threat now…he’s strict platoon player with 2 HR’s since the trade

  • Frank Francisco

    I said this in the other thread, but I’d like to repost it here.

    For all the sh*t Ike Davis got, Lucas Duda has been just as bad all along… Whatever genius decided Lucas Duda would be “way better than Ike” was a clown.

    Ike Davis (2012 – 2014): .226/.324/414 .737 OPS
    Lucas Duda (2012 – 2014): .234/.337/.401 .738 OPS

    They both suck but at least Ike Davis had a high ceiling, a 32 HR season, and played plus-defense. Duda is just worthless.

    But Ike was more expensive so he got the boot. Now he’s hitting to an .811 OPS in Pittsburgh.

    #TeamIke

    It’s time to start calling for the clown Lucas Duda to get the boot. He’s had three years to demonstrate progress and he has squandered his opportunites at every turn. Give someone, ANYONE else a shot. IMO: Dykstra>Campbell>Lutz>Satin>Duda, but I’ll take any of them over Duda at this point…

  • ed charles

    Clearly, Duda isn’t the answer. But Ike Davis wasn’t the answer either — I was sick of seeing them both. We don’t HAVE an answer on this roster, so Soup, Brown, Dykstra, Lutz ALL deserve a chance until the off season.

  • I’m glad Leroy found someone to support him. No thanks, though. I wanted to keep Ike. I just like pointing out how little Lerory (and you apparently) know about the game.
    Seriously though, you look really really really really really bad defending this guy. Not that I’ve ever seen you post anything worth a damn, of course.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Lol,,,Thats true for EVERY PLAYER

    FYI We pay Wright to be a SUPER STAR/MAIN ATTRACTION!!!

  • 2rings

    I never said Ike was the answer, but he is better than Duda.
    Would we be much better or even better with Ike? Don’t know, but anything is better that watching Duda

  • ed charles

    Both suck. Neither are difference makers. Let’s move on from both and a debate between the lesser of two losers.

  • you should watch the games.

  • Mets fan in Walnut Creek

    Although it would have been nice for CY and Duda to come through, Mets would have won game if Wheeler doesn’t walk the leadoff hitter in the 2nd (they always seem to come in against us) and if Granderson’s double doesn’t bounce over the fence ( how many times have we left that man on 3rd this season?)

  • 2rings

    Sill better that Duda, although I will grant you that this is not saying much

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Wright homered today, so make that 3.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Garbage team. Garbage. Is this the live ball era?

  • mr. belvedere

    can you add the rest of DW’s numbers to that cherry picked list please? DW should never be included on a list with those two jabronies

  • ed charles

    He is paid to be a STAR not a SUPER STAR. And he IS a star. The going rate for SUPERSTARS is 200 million. Face facts. He’s all the star we can afford. We can’t afford super — just star.

  • Chris H

    How long can we go with this offense before Sandy makes a trade. I just hope it’s the right deal.

  • he also doubled. Somehow, Ike Davis’ stats in Pitt mean something for DW’s stats in NY. Ya know, to idiots.

  • KennyandtheMets

    He needs to do something. No question about it.

  • Frank Francisco

    Fans chased Davis out because he never lived up to his expectations.

    Little did the pea-brain enterprise realize that what he WAS living up to was better than the alternative.

  • 94SupraTT

    Do you want whoever we get back in a trade to be injured as well? Or is it only players on the current roster?

  • Lotus1209

    Dude… No gloating until the year is over please.. Or else we can all say Chris Young to you as well

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Youre such a simpleton you didnt even realize that @Phoenix Met:disqus wasnt really defending me…It was more him actually pointing out how all of your posts are useless drivel.

    Just click on your name and read what you contribute…..NOTHING

    EVErYONE of your comments are intended to insult someones baseball IQ….read it all rude replies to others…not 1 post where you are starting a convo with something worthwhile to talk about.

    PATHETIC signs of an attention whore. Growup already

  • Joanie Yan

    If they didn’t sign a SS, they’ll never sign a first baseman.
    Morales will be signed by the Rangers to replace Fielder.

  • Frank Francisco

    It was a bad throw to 1B. He botched the play pretty clearly tbh.

    He deserved that one.

  • Chris H

    I show no pity for garbage making 8 mil. For 8 mil a year you have to produce if not I don’t care how you get out of the lineup as long as your out. So go pity the garbage we let play everyday ok buddy.

  • Frank Francisco

    Wrights shown notable progress lately, so lets give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

    Davis over Duda I couldn’t agree more though.

  • keith

    Cannot believe all the talk about Ike Davis. Nice guy. Not the answer to the Mets problems. Let’s get a real first baseman. No, not Ike. Left fielder with pop.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    For a guy who wanted to win 90, whitewashing the coaching staff & being aggressive early before the trade deadline would be a good idea right about now if your name happened to be Sandy Alderson.

    #FoodForThought

  • Joanie Yan

    We’d be exactly the same.
    They will need to find a first baseman for the next few years until Dom Smith is ready.

  • mr. belvedere

    they both suck…but why would a met fan want him to hit HR’s vs your team…it’s not like Ike was some legendary fan favorite that didn’t deserve to be traded

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    You can many have mentioned CY to me….but I have STILL NOT wavered.

    I own up to all my predictions 😉

    Which is why I gloat now so noone can ever say. “YouNEVER said that BBLB”

    lol

  • ed charles

    Why would ANY Met fan root for Davis??? who gives a crap that he isn’t on the team?

  • KennyandtheMets

    We do have some healthy pitching prospects. Some with the big club and some in the minors. Sandy should be looking for a 1B and/or LFer with a legit power bat. Package Duda with a young pitcher or two for a serious bat.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Neither are/were the answer as the starting 1st baseman, so this is just irrelevant.

  • ed charles

    SA has a lot of WORK to do?? He’s napping.

  • ed charles

    Don’t fool yourselves. DS is a LONG ways away and NO guarantee.

  • Chris H

    They could look for a rf to and move Grandy to left. He would be better there anyway

  • Frank Francisco

    Mets on pace for a glorious 72 win season.

  • 2rings

    easy, I like Ike, hate Duda, and the Mets FO went out of their way to vilify the man with unsubstantiated off the field rumors.
    This board is supposed to be for an exchange of ideas.
    You disagree, that is fine, but don’t question me being a fan of the team

  • Charley’s Twin

    and how many losses is that? Post the number please.

  • Super T

    LOL, it’s going to be another status quo trading deadline for the Mets. They certainly wont be buyers and the only trades will be if someone wants to give us young players for guys who have $ contracts.;

  • Frank Francisco

    90. Maybe Alderson confused Wins with losses.

  • ed charles

    or maybe he meant this year PLUS last year.

  • mr. belvedere

    you want an opposing player to hit HR’s off the Mets…your words not mine

  • Charley’s Twin

    It would be fitting for us to have exactly 90 losses after the 90 win talk.

  • 2rings

    yes I do, did not say I wanted the Mets to lose.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Cherry picked??? I posted all the main categories and just the power numbers since everyone is saying Ike is a singles hitter and such.

    I did that so those who claim he is a terrible singles hitter can say the same about Wright

    Here is another stat walks and STRIKEOUTS!

    Wright = 49Ks, 11BB
    Davis = 22k’s, 20BB
    Duda = 35Ks, 13BB

  • Super T

    Yes it would.

  • mr. belvedere

    that doesn’t make too much sense

  • ed charles

    I think I will concentrate on the Rangers and watch when DeGrom, Niese and eventually Syndegaard pitch. This isn’t a big league team.

  • 2rings

    well, it really does, but not to you I guess

  • Shea2citi

    Duda isn’t the answer either.

  • 2rings

    agreed. Rangers have a lot of holes to fill all of the sudden. Hope DB is back

  • Joanie Yan

    That’s why they should be playing Puello every day in AAA. He has the tools and we need to see if he can be the power outfielder. As for 1B, I predict they’ll stick with Duda next year because they seem to love him and his “potential” (at 28 yrs old) and he’ll still be cheap for them.

  • 2rings

    depends on the question.

  • KennyandtheMets

    That is easy to say when Duda is still here. It is easy to forget how bad Ike was.

  • somehow someone with a .723 OPS is considered more of a power threat than someone with a .796 OPS

  • ed charles

    they said he was this morning. That being said, I would watch again if WALLY was brought in. I think we’d ALL watch — just to see if he could right the ship as a MET.

  • mr. belvedere

    I want Andrew Mccutchen to go 4-4 with 4 HR’s then spit on the Ralph Kiner emblem on the wall but I still wan the Mets to win and I’m still a Met fan

  • umm he’s the highest paid 3B in baseball

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    INTERESTING STATS: 0_o

    Ike Davis

    7 Dbl, 3HR, .276avg/.382obp/.414slg/.796ops/126ops+

    David Wright

    11Dbl, 2HR, .297avg/.338obp/.385slg/.723ops/106ops+

    Lucas Duda

    5 Dbl, 5 HR, .244avg/.324obp/.402slg/.726ops/105ops+

    (Stats are prior to todays game)

    Special Stats Request for @Mr. belvedere:

    Wright = 49Ks, 11BB
    Davis = 22k’s, 20BB
    Duda = 35Ks, 13BB

  • ed charles

    OMFG enough with Duda and Davis!!

  • 2rings

    if Wally was at the helm, they might not be much better, but they would play like he did, or they would be gone..and that would be a great START

  • IndianaMet

    Who sucks a first base for $500, Alex?

  • 2rings

    very mature response have a good night

  • ed charles

    maybe he would rip someone for ONCE — with all our delicate confidence at risk!!

  • KennyandtheMets

    Very true. I have talked about Grandy in LF since he signed with us. They put him in RF because EY has no arm. They wanted LF available for their “lead off hitter”.

  • 2rings

    lol then he IS the ANSWER

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Youre right what was I thinking wheres my head….I havent mentioned Jose Abreu all day lol 😉

    Jose Abreu

    11Dbl, 15HR, .260avg/.312obp/.595slg/.908ops/143ops+

    THANKS SANDY

  • 2rings

    I am under no illusion of how bad Ike was or is, all I know from a personal standpoint, I cannot stand to watch Duda then way some fans could not stand to watch Ike.

  • Chris H

    Exactly. Grandy is not a typical RF because he has no arm but on our team he is. Would like to get Kemp and move him to right and Grandy to left

  • 2rings

    have a good night “Glider”

  • KennyandtheMets

    I have waited for years for Duda to break out. I am done waiting. I’d take Dykstra at this point. I liked what I saw from Puello in ST. I don’t get why he isn’t playing every day in AAA.

  • Derpy

    Zack Wheeler’s pitch selection is **TERRIBLE**. It is the reason he hasn’t been pitching well. Oh, but you say he doesn’t execute pitches. Nonsense. His pitch selection doesn’t give him the chance to succeed. He cannot make mistakes with this pitch selection without suffering very badly.

    Pitching low and away, with his stuff, is pointless.

    His version of challenging a hitter is (and I’m not exaggerating, he has literally said this) throwing a fastball down the middle of the plate.

    Throwing sliders that start on the outside corner when behind in the count is a waste of a pitch.

    Zack Wheeler needs to learn how to:

    A: throw up in the zone.

    B: throw inside.

    C: THROW UP AND INSIDE.

    These are his keys to success. Living low and away is a recipe for failure. He doesn’t have the command to hit the outside corner consistently, and even when he does they are going to lay off because his stuff is breaking away from the plate and an umpire will call it a ball the majority of the time. Then when he gets behind, he throws fastballs down the middle and gets hammered.

    Throw up. He should be throwing the first pitch numbers high, either inside or outside. If that is a strike, you can climb the ladder or throw the slider down and away. If the first pitch is a ball, you can throw low and inside. Once you get to two strikes, go up and in again. At two balls and no strikes, go up and down the middle. 0-2 counts should either be up and in or a bounced slider.

    This way Wheeler can take advantage of his velocity and fastball movement. He will either miss bats or produce fly balls. Both of which lead to quick outs.

    Stop pitching low and away. Just stop. When in doubt, up and in.

  • ed charles

    Abreu is fine… 🙂 But c’mon, there was NEVER a chance. Dude, we’re down to 84 Million. We’re not paying ANYONE — not next year either. They will try to dump Colon and CY will come off books and then they will fill the holes with the 17 million, bc they’re not having to pay any veteran pitchers. Next year will be 80 million or so…

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    You had both guys Ike was the choice to make plain and simple.

    The ultimate ANSWER was JOSE ABREU!

    But we all know what happened or didnt happen there

  • ed charles

    you too! “Potvin sucks!”

  • ed charles

    Love how we coach them up here!!! Not.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LMFAO!!!!

    The excuses they put out there for Wright are comical…

    Dude got $140Million contract and they say thats NOT a superstar deal…..they want us to treat him like he is making 500K per year lol

  • Name

    Wright has more at bats than both of them and his average is much higher than both of Davis and Duda. If the point was about Duda vs. Davis, Davis sucked for the Mets and if he were still on the team, the focus of your complaints would be about selling Davis for a bag of balls.

  • Derpy

    “Oh, those 15 low and away pitches were all called balls? That’s weird, just keep throwing low and away and see what happens.”

  • Derpy

    Do you know how much Abreu is getting paid this year?

    7 million.

  • Charley’s Twin

    less than all 3 of our FAs we signed.

  • ed charles

    Kemp makes 20 something million. NEVER happening.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Sandy tried to sign a

    closer for 7mil per year
    and Drew for 10mil per year

    There is/was money available to Sandy

  • ed charles

    But who needs Buck to mentor?

  • Chris H

    If you get LA to eat some of his contract of course it could happen

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    I’d rather not think about it, but yes, Abreu was the answer. Their fear of Duda & Davis doing greater elsewhere was short sighted and ridiculous.

  • Derpy

    I loved how every single time he accidentally threw up and inside he got an out on THAT PITCH. It was glorious. You would think he would learn, but nope.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Kemp is probably available. I expect the Dodgers to move Puig to CF. The problem is why Kemp is available. He doesn’t seem to be the same player that he was. So many injuries. He is also making a lot of money.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    “Wright has more at bats than both of them”

    That doesnt bode well for Wright then his power numbers shouldve blown them out of the water then

  • ed charles

    in a multi year deal. The above were all one offs. SA TOLD us Abreu was NEVER in consideration. And NO ONE will be next year either. He will TRY to trade for a SS or OF who is young — IF he doesn’t have to give up anyone other than Montero or Gee. and then he will sign a SS or LF (whichever young player he doesn’t get in a deal) to a 2 year or 1 year contract.

  • Chris H

    Yes exactly Kemp is not a CF anymore which is why it makes sense to try to get him move him to right and he can still hit and try to get LA to eat some contract

  • Anthony Dotterman

    DUDA should have been out of here long ago. Whoever heard of a 5 year tryout . He stinks 6 left in scoring position today.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    “He will TRY to trade for a SS or OF who is young”

    “and then he will sign a SS or LF (whichever young player he doesn’t get in a deal) to a 2 year or 1 year contract.”

    LOLLOL Hes been saying that since 2011!!!

    STILL HASNT DONE CRAP YET!

    keep dreaming buddy, fairy tales come true…NOT

  • Charley’s Twin

    Granderson and Colon were one offs?

    And so what if they said he was never in consideration? That only means they didn’t consider something they should have.

  • Chris H

    Another reason and a big one to move Kemp is that they have Joc Pederson in triple a just waiting to be called up

  • ed charles

    rookie pitchers, no veteran catcher. it’s the mets.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Maybe, but Kemp is damaged goods. I’d rather they get a young stud RFer or 1B. Move Garndy to LF.

  • ed charles

    Colon was NEVER signed with the intent of having him here for 2 years. He’s gone at the break. He didn’t have Montero and or Gee available yet — he would have had to have paid to replace them. Write it down — he will make a trade for a SS or OF and sign someone to a 1 year deal from the savings from Colon and CY. And that’s it. They still have Puello and DanDekker to bullshit us with.

  • Charley’s Twin

    You think someone is taking that awful contract off our hands? That’s ridiculous.

  • Name

    Yes, his power numbers are down but I’ll take the high average (which is his norm) and 10-15 homeruns over 15-20 homeruns and a .225-.240 average.
    Correction: both Wright and Davis are projected to hit 10 homeruns and Duda is projected to get 17 according to ESPN but Wright is projected to get 90 RBIs while Davis and Duda are projected to get 51 and 65 RBIs respectively. I’d take Wright.

  • ed charles

    If he gets close to .500 and ERA around 4.00 absolutely. He eats innings. You just won’t get anything back. And not for nothing but 10 million isn’t a lot of money to at least 10 clubs.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LOL……..Colon is owed 11mil next year and he will be what 42yrs old…..yeah wait for his trade value to skyrocket,

  • BCleveland3381

    Smart move by the MLB, putting the draft in season so us Met fans don’t have wait until the offseason to start being positive.

  • ed charles

    it’s a salary dump. He’s not going to ask for anything back. Some kid in single A. Watch.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Sandy said he was the only GM to offer Colon 2 years. Anyone could have had him already on the Mets terms if they wanted him.

  • Phoenix Met

    Indeed my friend. How JoeD continues to let him post his name – calling – in – every – other – post shtick is beyond me.

  • mr. belvedere

    thanks…you didn’t add that Wright is 2nd in the NL in hits though, I knew you wouldn’t though

  • Nolrog

    Really? I thought Wheeler didn’t look great. One key hit from Arizona in the first or second and they would have been up pretty big. I give Wheeler credit for battling and hanging in there and keeping the Mets in the game. But he wasn’t dominant.

  • ed charles

    Right and if he pitches just a little better in his next 5-6 starts, someone chasing the WC will take him.

  • Chris H

    Ok you can have Goldschmidt from Arizona but you will have to sell a lot of your young arms. Say Montero Syndagaard and Matz would you do that or try and get Kemp for a lot less. Lol

  • Lucad Duda stranded seven men on base today. Wow. Most teams have 1B that drive runs in. That’d be nice. In good news, I’m just glad Wheeler turned it into a good outing. That’s a plus…and a start.

  • Bail4Nails

    The Mets are now 21-26. Here’s what MOST OF US said in the Offseason:
    1) Tejada is terrible. Start the Season with Flores at Shortstop. Figure out a Trade in the meantime.
    How many Games has this decision cost us? How much more comfortable would Flores be by now?
    2) Fire Terry Collins! I know for a fact that this would have Saved us 7 Losses this Season. Who knows how much more?
    3) Chris Young was a TERRIBLE SIGNING. Who knows how many more Games the Mets Win without CY striking out in so many big spots.
    4) Neither Davis nor Duda is the Answer at First Base. This one’s a little harder, because both had a couple Game-Winners early in the Season, followed by terrible slumps. This one’s a wash, unless you asked for Abreu or Morales in the Offseason. Oh wait, we did ask for that.

    Again, this is all stuff we said here BEFORE the Season Started! But by all means Sandy, keep ignoring your Fans. You are WAY Smarter than us.

  • Charley’s Twin

    You forgot to add sign Abreu, which many said and they have been proven correct.

    EDIT: never mind. I see you did.

  • KennyandtheMets

    But he isn’t really hitting much either.

  • KennyandtheMets

    They also have Ethier on their bench.

  • mr. belvedere

    Does Reynolds and Plawecki stay in AA all season? They are both on pace to be AA all stars…I’d like to see Tovar promoted to AAA and Rivera to AA first so they both can strictly play SS instead of swapping 2B/SS

  • reality check

    Here here, stop beating this dead horse,the decision is has been made, its over.I’m not saying the FO made the right decision,but they made one.

  • Name

    7.

  • ed charles

    Moustakas was sent down. let’s do a Pirates trade and grab him.

  • Bail4Nails

    Please Charlie, feel free to add to the List. I’m sure there’s many more ways that Management has royally screwed up what could have been a Promising Season. Unlike Sandy, I’m open to suggestions.

  • sarge69

    So, Duda’s selection as Mets 1st baseman has really put him at ease; quoting Collins here after Davis trade.

    He, Duda, is what 3 for 36 or something?
    He’ll hit occasional HR but can’t hit with RISP.

    Murphy is in in one of his seasonal dunks, which he will break out of in time to compete for hits title. 🙁

    CY needs to sit, he can’t hit a fastball, anyone!

    Wheeler, compared to Pelfrey by Howie Rose, also reminds me of John Maine, who also lacked ‘that’ pitch to get batter out, whether by use of his fielders or K.

    This drives up pitch count.
    Keeps his stress pitches up.

    I know that he is a work in progress but the parallels to Maine & Pelfrey are vivid.

    It is on Zack, working with Warthen, to resolve this or just be another ‘prospect’ that could not make adjustments necessary to take that next step.
    I’m hoping he does.

    Hitting when all are on same hot streak is a lost art to this team and is frustrating with all the pop ups and fly outs.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Hiyo!

  • KennyandtheMets

    How about a young OF power hitting prospect? Someone who won’t cost us more than one young pitcher. Also wont cost money.

  • sarge69

    Meant funks, not dunks.

  • Chris H

    The Mets need a proven MLB power hitter not anymore prospects. Don’t get me wrong a position prospect is nice to have but they need a real deal hitter now that is relatively young not another prospect that we are saying is he gonna be real

  • Bail4Nails

    Reynolds and Plawecki should be moved up Immediately, I agree.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Kemp is 30, With his injuries he is probably closer to 36, as far as his actual production will be.

  • mr. belvedere

    I’d go with Tovar to AAA and Rivera to AA first then Reynolds and Plawecki in July

  • Bail4Nails

    Haha! Though we still have to hope our next Draft Pick gets good enough grades to graduate High School.

  • gameball

    Usually, prospects who are on pace to be league all stars are left to play in the league all-star game.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Sarge,

    Wasn’t Pelfrey also a number one draft pick – like Wheeler? Another parallel?

    Today Zack found himself and kept the Mets in the game but we don’t know if that is a glimpse of the future or a glimpse of what in the future might be referred to as “what might have been”. Even during that time, he was still missing the plate – the only solace being that he was closing the distances in which he was missing it somewhat. That wasn’t out of design and is something we all have to remember.

  • Bail4Nails

    .304/.371/.363 -not bad Tovar! I forgot about him with all the other SS nonsense going on.
    Would it be a bad idea to bring Tovar and Reynolds up to AAA? I think we’re all pretty sure Seratelli is not the answer.

  • gameball

    CY, yes he’s terrible. He should not have been starting against this pitcher. You picked a bad day to trumpet Flores, though.

  • Mikey

    Well that should settle the attempts at claiming it was the Pitching that cost us games and the Offense was just fine…

  • BCleveland3381

    I think only one long term deal was going to be able to be signed. Sandy signed Granderson over Abreu. Probably the wrong move long term, but on a team with a limited payroll, I think he thought he could get something out of Duda or Ike more so than the OF mess. He may be wrong in the end.

    Sure he had some money for Drew or Balfour…on short term deals. He has to take into account payroll and arbitration raises for a bunch of guys that are on our team. Guys like Murphy, Gee, Ike, Duda, Tejada, Niese, Parnell, etc were all on the roster coming into the year and due to make more every year. Locking up anyone else long term is a big risk. We are already paying Wright and Granderson 35 mil of our 84 million dollar payroll every year. It’s really tough to pay one more guy big money long term unless our owners increase payroll.

    Basically, we’re screwed.

  • Mike B

    Howie Rose is wrong, if you quoted him correctly. Pelfrey was a coward, only pitching outside. Wheeler has none of that. He’s just got command issues. Darling had some interesting comments. He said Wheeler said that in the minors, guys chased pitches out of the zone all the time. In the bigs, they only do it with 2 strikes. He’ll find his way. His stuff is way too good. He’s got the best stuff on the team, other than Harvey. Barring injury, he’s going to be a star. It’s easy to see, at least for me. Re Maine, he said Rick Peterson didn’t want him to throw a curve. That hurt his development, and his stuff was decent, but not like Wheeler’s. The movement on Wheeler’s pitches is unreal. IMO, the curve is the best pitch in baseball. When done correctly, by Ryu, Kershaw, Wainright, Beckett and even Collin McHugh(whose curve is awesome) the pitch is unhittable. Wheeler has a curve, a very good one. He’s what, 23? He’ll be fine.

    I’m with you on CY. He shouldn’t play again. Why? Slow bat, weak arm. You see that throw to the plate today? I mean, WTF?

  • Alwayzamazin

    Hi Joey, do you mean Wheels was just lucKy? or can we take this as a sign of him making adjustments? any word from Chago? xo

  • Mikey

    Ike Davis is currently hitting .293 with a .387 OBP in Pittsburg…

  • Bail4Nails

    Haha. Yes, Flores had a bad day. But he has clearly been better than Tejada since taking over. Imagine how much better he would be Hitting if he started when he was supposed to.
    In a week, people are going to start saying, “Campbell has been slumping.” Yeah, well Terry gave him 1 AB against the Closer in the 9th Inning. That really gets a guy going at the plate. Of course, CY needed to start today. Duda can’t strand all the runners by himself. Lol.
    Hopefully, Flores catches fire soon. If not, I could deal with Tovar or Reynolds or (God forbid) we trade for a Shortstop.

  • Super T

    Wheeler is going to be better than Pelfrey. Ain’t much doubt about that.

  • Mike B

    Let’s get over who said what pre season. What now? At 1b, something needs to be done, even if it’s Soup and Duda platooning. CY needs to sit, forever. Bring up denDekker. Cut CY, put him on waivers. On Flores, not sure he’s the answer. That was a pretty bad error today. A real SS doesn’t mishandle backhands like that. Both the catch, his footwork and the throw were troublesome. I like him over RT, but it’s not going to work, IMO. He’s going to make more errors, more frequently. I hope not, but that play looked like a guy out of position. Backhands need to be caught in the web. Catching in the palm, which he did, can’t be held, which happened to him, creating panic, bad footwork, hurried throw. Maybe one bad play, we’ll see. I’d get moving on Tovar/Reynolds, up to AAA.

  • Destry

    No. Way. He’s a 3B, and he can’t make contact

  • Chris H

    So move him to right. Playing him in center only worsens your chance of more injury. He is healthy now and at 30 years old is a good age and to not have to deplete your farm. Wright is also 30 and Grandy is up there to. If you want to win soon you need a proven mlb power bat. Or you can wait on the position prospects and prey they come through

  • Destry

    Ike Davis 2013 .205 9 HRs 450 AB Infinite Pouting

  • Mike B

    He is and was dominant. He just needs to stop throwing pitches off the plate without 2 strikes. Pros don’t swing at them. His stuff is electric. Only Harvey has better stuff on the team. deGrom probably next. His curve, fb, slider are awesome. He needs to get ahead, then throw pitches they chase.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Ike is benefiting from a change of scenery. However, while he’s getting on base and scoring runs, you still wouldn’t mistake him for a run producer. That said, overall and since being traded, he looks better statistically than LD. What this possibly proves, and what others here have opined, is that neither is the answer…

  • not even remotely. You are upset that you don’t get to spew your nonsense without response. This is why you call me “shadow” – because you don’t want to be challenged. I have no idea who this Phoenix clown is but apparently I’ve done something to upset him as well.

    You declared Ike Davis the better player over the course of the 2014 season before Memorial Day. If you don’t see how stupid that is, you are even more of an idiot than it first appears

  • Destry

    They need to change that rule. 9 times out of 10 the runner from 1st scores on a double that is hit well enough to be a ground rule. This rule penalizes the offense. It should penalize the defense if anything

  • you’d probably want to look at SLG for that determination. Though I’ve seen you play and you’re terrible at baseball so I can’t imagine you’re much better at commenting on it

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Play Eric Campbell at 1b until he gets figured out. There’s always a chance he’ll make adjustments…

  • I’ve never been a Duda fan, but I don’t blame him for stranding 7 runners. Every single time he got up with 2 outs, another guy (or 2) couldn’t even hit a weak grounder to advance a runner. Not a medium fly ball to the outfield. Just a strikeout or a pop up.
    Getting 2-out RBI hits is really hard. Slapping a ball to 2nd base or popping one up to Right Field should be MUCH easier. I’ve never seen a team where nobody can pick up an RBI without a hit.

    Hey Sandy – you’re so wrong – there ARE such things as productive outs. The Mets left about 50 runs on the field this year by not making productive outs. That’s the difference between being winners and losers.

  • Destry

    What does an .811 OPS in Pittsburgh have to do with the Mets?

  • Mike B

    You’re right. But he’ll get it. His stuff is too good. He’ll turn 24 in a week. He pitches inside. He hit two guys, no? He needs to throw strikes early, not nibble.

  • Destry

    You like an opposing player and you hate a Met. Weird coming from a Mets fan.

  • Alwayzamazin

    you had me at Sandy you’re so wrong 🙂

  • Destry

    He’s right. It does not makes sense

  • If Sandy had half a brain he would realize that all of this precious young pitching can’t be placed in the hands of a bunch of kid catchers. If he makes one free agent signing this off season it should be an aging catcher who can handle pitchers. When you have something valuable, you protect and nurture it.

  • you see Tejada playing SS in one of the games of the doubleheader? Wow, that would be totally unprecedented.

  • Alwayzamazin

    right on ed! typical short sighted Mets

  • Destry

    ZERO HRs so far. No sure thing, he has age on his side though. We’ll see. I think Jeff Bagwell is the only 1B 6-0 or shorter that has ever had an impact as a 1B in the major leagues

  • maybe if you used all caps the first time more people would give you the attention you crave and you wouldn’t have to seem so pathetic trolling the same crap over and over again?

  • Destry

    Are you saying Ike is better than Wright?

  • Fast Eddie

    He’s going to do a little better in Pittsburgh for sure, he has better hitters around him, plus not nearly the pressure as playing in New York. You know what they say about New York, “If you can make it there…yada yada”…the only problem is, Ike was never going to make it here. He’s not a big market ballplayer. Neither Ike nor Duda is the long term answer at first base. That much is clear…

  • Joey D.

    Hi Bail4Nails,

    Agree with you on all points but even without Terry Collins 1) the business interests of the ownership do not allow for a proper investment into the development of a good team and 2) we have a general manager in charge who believes he understands professional baseball because he is analytical.

    So this team is not going to go anywhere despite the potential talent we have because 1) that talent is being shortchanged by a rigid methodology set in place by one who knows nothing about what he is doing (number 23, remember? and 2) of course it being sabotaged by a lack of an additional infusion of quality talent because the GM has determined that business interests of those he works for does not allow for setting aside the money necessary for acquiring them.

    So even with somebody else at the helm who made what could be deemed all the right moves, with the lack of additional talent and the rigid hitting philosophy, the general manager would have created another way for most of those seven games to have been lost in any event.

  • Pelfrey has 7 letters.
    Wheeler has 7 letters.
    Mike has 4 letters.
    Zack has 4 letters.
    Both were born with penises.
    Stop drinking the Koolaid. The similarities cannot be ignored.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Bail,

    Imagine how better Flores would be if he wasn’t under strict orders to comply with the hitting philosophy of this organization.

  • because David Wright is a 250 lb giant lefty?

  • Joey D.

    Hi Bail4Nails,

    You mean unlike Sandy, you are not against the use of “conventional wisdom”…..

  • mets4lyfe

    You wonder what exactly is Sandy Alderson preaching when you see Duda take two fastball strikes and then swing at a fastball high out of the zone.

  • Derpy

    Have you watched him pitch? He almost never throws inside. When he does, it is an accident most of the time.

  • Super T

    lol, good one.

  • Makes it seem like seeing more pitches is worth more than actually hitting strikes.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Hi Joey D. You raise an interesting point. The Mets are so quant oriented, you have to wonder if there’s a qualitative component to their talent evaluation. I’m reminded of that Gretzky quote, “A great hockey player plays where the puck is going to be.” Not sure if our FO can judge those kinds of instincts…

  • KennyandtheMets

    If the Dodgers eat a good chunk of the money, and we don’t have to give up too much, then I am fine with getting Kemp.

  • iAmDevlynT

    Flores should definitely be our answer at 1B until Dom. Smith is ready…

  • KennyandtheMets

    I can’t get upset about the Mets choosing to trade Ike. I don’t see much difference between he and Duda. I want a different guy at 1B. A guy who probably isn’t in the organization right now.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Mike B,

    The reason it is difficult to get over what was said pre-season was that it was so clear to project what was going to occur and thus when you correctly point out to concentrate on what should be done now, the reason we are so angry and have so little confidence of things working out for the better going forward is because the same people whose lack of baseball insight, enforcement of regimented control that do not allow for an exchange for different ideas and perspectives and motivations that focus on financial savings rather than team improvement are still in charge.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Someone below mentioned putting Flores at 1b. Still have the hole at short, but then I suppose you try Tovar…

  • Joey D.

    Hi Colorado,

    An excellent analogy. Probabilities on paper do not allow one to have the instincts to see what players see on the field.

  • Frank Francisco

    Mets fans, Please read as I would like to hear what you all think:

    The Chris Young deal was an attempt a bargain contract. Alderson tried to outsmart the market by trying to catch lightning in an underrated player.

    It should be blatantly clear by now that it’s failed. It was a high-risk high-return contract which has backfired. It happens. The Mets at 5 games under .500 are in a bad place. If they string together another 3-7 stretch the season may be over before the halfway point.

    It’s time to cut ties with Chris Young before the Mets dig themselves in an insurmountable deficit.

    There are a number of options which may not “solve the problem” but would help improve productivity in the line-up.

    This may be an unpopular option, but personally I would choose to cut Chris Young and initialize a platoon in LF with Abreu (.773 OPS vs RHP) and Eric Campbell (Basically Satin 2.0, much better against LHP).

    This should allow the Mets to get in the ballpark of .775 OPS production out of LF.

    I would also release Duda at 1B and give the next guy in line a shot. Give Dykstra 100 AB’s, if he fails, give Lutz 100 AB’s, if he fails, give Campbell 100 AB’s and keep cycling until someone takes advantage of the opportunity.

    If either of them can put up a .750 OPS or better (not even asking a lot) it would be a significant upgrade from Duda’s non-production.

    1/3 of the season is over and is a big enough sample size to make it clear that the current squad isn’t working. Since a trade seems out of the question, it’s time for Alderson to shake things up and explore internal options.

    If the Mets can get some semblance of production out of LF and 1B by experimenting internally, and Flores can keep doing what he has been doing (except for today), the Mets may be in better shape.

    What should be painfully obvious is that the lineup that Terry keeps throwing out there isn’t getting it done.

  • Super T

    If the season is basically over then why not give CY some more time to possibly improve his trade worth, instead of just cutting him and $7.5M for nothing? You really think 40 year old Bobby Abreu and minor league journeyman (Campbell, Dykstra, and Lutz) would save the season?

  • KennyandtheMets

    Maybe, but I don’t know that Flores will be a strong enough hitter at 1B. At SS he is bound to put up good enough numbers.

  • Frank Francisco

    It shocks me how much Duda has regressed since his 2011 season. It’s hard to not blame “the philosophy” because it looks like Duda’s approach is far, FAR removed from when he was first promoted.

    Duda has the eye to naturally lay off bad pitches. It’s when he starts trying too hard to “hunt for his pitch to hit” where he fails.

  • Dave Mittman, PA, DFAAPA

    And Duda

  • Frank Francisco

    Say what you want about Bobby Abreu, but he was one of the best hitters of his generation and he hasn’t been nearly as bad as fans make him out to be.

    .241/.324/.402 with a .775 OPS against RHP is really not terrible considering how scattered his AB’s have been.

    Dykstra has mashed pitching the past three seasons in the Minors, and lets not forget he was once a promising 1st round pick.

    Lutz has mashed the entire minor league system. The only reason he was never given a legitimate shot and is now labeled as a journeyman is because he’s been blocked by DW.

    Campbell is basically Satin 2.0. He’s nothing special but he can be productive when used properly.

    With proper management, its possible that these guys could get it done, yes. And even if it doesnt, what’s going on now isn’t working anyway.

    It’s highly unlikely that CY will make any improvements. He’s doing exactly what he did last year in OAK. He’s a shell of his former self and the Mets will not likely get any real production out of him any time soon.

  • Alwayzamazin

    AMEN!

  • Frank Francisco

    What about Duda?

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Good point. I think as amateur GMs, we’re all kind of grasping at this point…

  • mattbalasis

    Niese has one of the most underrated curves in the game.

  • Frank Francisco

    It’s possible Zack is a bust, and there are some similarities, but it’s really far to early to tell.

    I can rattle off a dozen pitchers who have struggled early in their careers only to come around after a season or two.

    Some pitchers take a while to come around, some never do. Just because there’s been busts in the past doesn’t prove Wheeler is a bust.

  • Alwayzamazin

    “With proper management, its possible that these guys could get it done”
    With Proper Management! that’s the piece of the puzzle you’re still missing, TM!

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    One of the best hitters of his generation?

  • Frank Francisco

    Lol good point. Instead of giving new blood some chances we’ll keep seeing:

    Lagares/EY
    Murphy
    DW
    Granderson
    CY
    Duda
    Flores
    Recker/TDA

    and keep getting the same exact results. I believe the line is: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing more than once (or in this case about 50 times) and expecting different results

  • Joey D.

    Hi Lady,

    Nothing new from Chago since middle of the week.

    It was probably a combination of luck and talent on the part of Wheeler. He had one or two innings where he made quick work of the lineup and other times where he was still laboring hard with pitches missing the plate.

    We do have to take into account that he was facing the d’backs who have hit .242 on the road compared to .265 at home because of the climate they play in – so the thought did cross my mind due to the way the ball carries at home (equal amount played home and road) their batting stats could be exaggerated and their road stats could be more reflective of their hitting talent than their overall stats.

    Chris Young was a perfect example of the climate being able to make a player appear better than he was (look at the difference in his power figures on the road) but many tried to disregard that fact when he played in Arizona those many years.

    Have a nice holiday weekend!

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    We dont have proper managment

  • Frank Francisco

    .300/.400/.500 hitter in his prime, so yes, he was pretty freaking good.

  • Alwayzamazin

    I think you misunderstood me. Lets change from the top, b4 more of our prospects come up and get ruined!

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    he was a good player not, Not even close to one of the best hitters of his time

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    He sure does great curve ball.,,,

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Manager, coaching, the guy can hit just needed confidence

  • Frank Francisco

    You’re delusional if you don’t think he was at least up there. He was very underrated. Definitely at least top 15 during his prime.

  • Bobby O

    Wow, The Dude left 7 men on base. Hitting just .210 since April 15th. I thought things would get better not worse for him after the Davis departure.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Mousakas can hit, like ike he needs confidence, currently we cant help

  • Alwayzamazin

    Hi Joey, you make so many good points. I learn so much from your posts. I’m working all weekend but will tune in to the double header tmrw as best I can. Have a great holiday and God Bless Our Vets!

  • Anthony Dotterman

    Thanks worse yet

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Sick how he dosnt know that

  • Frank Francisco

    I know lol my comment was agreeing with you.

  • BCleveland3381

    Im actually a little disappointed in Recker. He opened up the year hitting balls hard and knocking in big runs, just like he did last year. His defense was great as well. Then TDA gets a concussion after not playing well to start the year and Recker gets some increased playing time and just does nothing with it. He could have pushed d’Arnaud a little bit when he came back. It’s obvious now with how he and Centeno played, TDA has no one challenging him for playing time when he gets back.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Really top 15???

  • Alwayzamazin

    are we justified to say that Terry & Co ruined ike?

  • Frank Francisco

    Recker is what he is. He plays very good defense, handles the pitching staff well, and is good for the occasional clutch homer but that’s about it. Offense isn’t really a part of his game and when he plays everyday he gets overexposed.

  • Frank Francisco

    I, along with everyone, also thought he would improve at least a little bit with Davis gone. Guess not.

    He’s been brutal since his brief hot start.

  • Alwayzamazin

    agreeing with me?? that caught me off guard. lol!

  • BCleveland3381

    Agreed. We have to pray TDA turns it on, its just looking like he’s the exact same player he was when he first got called up. He still looks like a deer in headlights. I was ok with it last year. This year, it worries me. He should be taking a step forward.

  • Charley’s Twin

    he’s an awful ballplayer.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Agreed. I’ll say this though. I was very disappointed that Sandy and the Ponzies didn’t make a stronger play for Jose Abreu. A lot of people on this blog told me it was too risky, but I really thought that Abreu was going to succeed in the MLB. He was a missed opportunity. He was a financial commitment only. We could have kept our young pitching and our draft picks. Now, we will probably need to give a good chunk of it away for a big bat or two.

  • Alwayzamazin

    he’s a good ballplayer on an awful team w/crap for mgmt or coaching

  • mets4lyfe

    Wheeler had a “put away” pitch when he came here from the Giants. It was his plus curveball that had the potential of being plus-plus. Too bad the Mets decided to make him focus more on his slider.

  • Frank Francisco

    Everyone is worried with you, but don’t forget he is behind where he should be in the development curve because of injuries. His learning curve may be longer than it should be.

    Time will tell, all we can do now is be patient and hope he figures it out.

  • AlexHZ

    Plawecki tonight: 3-3 2B, HR, 2 BB.

    HR in 3 straight games.

  • Frank Francisco

    I was saying they should have given Duda the boot instead of Ike.

  • Alwayzamazin

    Figures it out without the help of Buck or any seasoned catcher to help him!

  • Bobby O

    Nice

  • BronxMets

    that’s ridiculous…..

  • Bobby O

    BTW, I think Toby Hyde recently knocking Kevin’s hitting profile for a C- low ISO, good SO to BB ratio (?) and contact ability is a bunch of BS.

  • mets4lyfe

    Hyde doesn’t watch any players outside of Savannah, so I wouldn’t put any faith into what he says about prospects in st.lucie or bing.

  • Xavier 22

    Naw. He’s just not very good.

  • BronxMets

    it should be a requirement to understand the game before you can post here.

  • calamityfrancis

    he’d have to play the outfield. that would certain take away any mediocre production he’d give playing every day.

  • Mike B

    Matt Reynolds at .355, .432 in his last 10 games. What’s it going to take to move him to AAA? I didn’t like the Flores miscue today. He had to backhand that ball, and that’s going to happen again. He did not look good at all on that. Bad grab, bad footwork, hurried throw. I don’t see him making that play going forward, and the play in the hole is what separates good SS’s from not good ones. He’s better than RT overall, but I’d look to get help. I don’t see it working. Flores may hit, but we’ve seen some fielding issues already, and once he gets tired, it will get worse.

  • Mike B

    Davis is hitting .295 with the Bucs. Not showing much power, but he’s doing a lot better than Duda.

  • Mike B

    CY, agreed, cut him. He hurts us and there are better players on the team and at AAA. Duda? Too early. Sub him with Soup, and if that doesn’t work, maybe Abreu. But I’m totally on board with dumping CY. And his batting 4th or 5th is the rally killer every game. Painful. And his defense. He had b***s asking to play CF. I can play CF better than him. Shaky on balls not hit at him, and he throws like a girl. Nice scouting.

  • Mike B

    Big RBI guy, and awesome OBP guy. Few k’s as well. Some thought too selective with men on base, but he put up some big numbers for years. Had 100 rbi’s in 8 seasons. Over .400 OBP in 10 of 11 seasons. .292 lifetime BA and over .300 7 times. 567 doubles(Staub has 499)and over 40 per season 7 times. Got MVP votes in 7 seasons, came in 12th to 23rd. Yes, very good.

  • Flatbush0460

    There’s a reason nobody heard of Recker before last season. Besides looking good in jeans, according to the ladies, not much else there. Oh, yeah, he’s nice to small animals

  • Bobby O

    At times the game is just too fast for Wilmer at SS and at times he’s going to look awkward out there. What concerns me more right now with Wilmer, where is at least some gap power with the Mets? So far, all of his hits with the Mets have been just singles.

  • Flatbush0460

    Agreed, after all the injuries, I’m happy of he gets his feet wet this season. I think the game will slow down for him next season, when we should be a better team. Of course given that Wally gets the nod here

  • Flatbush0460

    Again we had quantity at the position, not quality. Sandy should have seen that, and thrown CYs money at Abreu. Makes me doubt his baseball acumen

  • Flatbush0460

    Yes, God awful. Not much power is an understatement. He’s hit 3 home runs, total. He’s a slow first baseman who hits line a table setter. Good riddance, to him, and his dad.

  • Metropolitan

    when a guy stars to tear it up in AA it is time to pay attention is what I always say

  • Flatbush0460

    Fine with me, but no way the Coupons swallow all that cash this season

  • Joey D.

    Hi Eileen,

    We learn a lot from each other.

    Especially when you remind us all the God Bless our Vets – which is what this holiday is meant for us to remember!

  • Another loss and right back at 5 games below .500. Still waiting for the pitching & hitting to get in a positive sync with one another. You either get one or the other of late but seldom both in the same game.

    Going over the box score and the 6 slot back around to the 1 slot today, 0 for 19 with 2 walks. 🙁

    I think this is the 1st time both Lagares & Flores in the same lineup went 0 for the day. I’m not concerned at least of that becoming a common occurrence.

    Offensively Murph is Murph. Wright & Granderson look to be coming around as well. Duda & C. Young on the other hand still show no signs of coming around.

    Pitching wise Wheeler finished strong but still needs to put it all together for an entire game and consistently over a number of starts. I loved that he went out there in the 7th though and managed to get 2 outs before leaving for a pitching change. Considering that after 3 innings he had already thrown 68 pitches, that he went out and pitched another 3 2/3 innings using 50 pitches when the team could not afford to burn their pen with a double header tomorrow was good to see.

    Chances of the Mets winning both ends of the double header don’t feel good and if they split they will lose disappointingly yet another series.

    Looking forward at least to seeing Montero pitch.

  • omar minayass

    lol awesome

  • Jimmy Broadway

    Why can’t the mets say, Ok we are the mets and we are going to win. Starting now. Go get the pieces they need, show the world they are serious about THIS season , and realize they have the pitching to win in the post season. Sandy should call up Rex Ryan and ask him to teach TC to grow some balls and to fire this team up. I’m sure Rex would love it

  • I would believe that but he has already made an amazing play deep in the hole recently where he back handed a ball and made a strong throw. Thing is that needs to be his regular reaction and not what we saw tonight. Tonight he seemed to have trouble with his grip on the ball and his footwork was just awkward. Thing he deserves the same opportunity Murphy got during his first season at second base. That’s only fair.

  • omar minayass

    the truth is ike davis was owed almost 3 million more than duda this year on his contract. it was inevitable the penny pinch-pons were going to get rid of him.

    they almost shot themselves in the foot with all the negative stories they fabricated about ike. they almost didn’t have the opportunity to trade him.

    now that i mention it, whatever happened to the player to be named later??

  • What this team needs is a steady , stabilizing bat in the order. A solid run producer like Keith Hernandez or someone similar.

  • omar minayass

    jose abreu would have been nice

  • BCleveland3381

    Rex can show someone how to grow some balls? All I see is a fat guy with no self control, a foot fetish, and a guy who is a poor enough decision maker that he got his starting QB tattooed on himself.

  • AlexHZ

    Puello not playing tonight. He has 123AB but it doesn’t seem like it. Has been sitting too much, cant expect him to get on a roll when he starts 3-4 games in a row then gets benched for two. NEEDS to be in there 7 days a week. Can’t understand it. Kirk is the one who should be on the bench.

  • prosoundz

    Kendrys Morales is only 30 years old, is a switch hitter, bats around .270 with power and rbi production. He’s a clean up hitter, yea he sucks on the field but isn’t that what money ball is all about? Sacrificing defense for alot of offense?

  • Bobby O

    I concur. Sandy viewing the Mets 1B situation internally in the offseason with any of Davis, Duda or Satin or even Flores for that matter makes me SMH. As Joe D has said, just how much of a sample size and years do you need with either Davis or Duda. I also agree that Davis was never going to re-establish himself in NY and needed a change of scenery to a smaller city.

  • Hotstreak

    Ok let’s say SA was smart he gets credit for extending DW who puts up real good numbers and his SLG. is very presentable.

    Ok lets say Grandy pits up good offensive numbers:

    But neither hit in the clutch late and close.

    Do we all celebrate SA for having the vision of big money on limited resourcs or about 45% of payroll.

    In other words these guys without a 130 M payroll can’t really make a difference from a 77 win team.

  • Destry

    How soon we forget how much better Duda was than Ike last year.

  • Jimmy Broadway

    He brought the jets franchise back to life, single handedly, love him or hate him.

  • Frank Francisco

    It would, however, to quote the idiot that runs the team “I’m not worried about defense”.

    At some point, if you want to win you have to find a way to put runs on the board. Obviously, defense is important especially in pitching-first team schematic, but when the other options are going to put a black-hole in your lineup you have to explore alternative options.

    Chris Young and Eric Young have combined for about a .620 OPS. Defense is important, but you can’t completely sacrifice 1/8 of your offensive firepower for defense.

    Abreu is an experienced OF and he still has a pretty good arm. His range is sh*t but he manages good reads at least and I think what he could bring to the table outweighs his shortcomings in the field.

  • Frank Francisco

    I know I mentioned the comparison in one of my comments below.

  • Frank Francisco

    I’m not really sure what the FO saw that would have suggested that CY would be able to return to his past production. I don’t see anything that suggests he will improve any time soon.

    Maybe the Mets shouldn’t release Duda per say, I didn’t mean to say that. But he really shouldn’t be starting anymore, realistically they should stash him in Vegas with Niewenhuis in the “couldn’t make it but we’ll keep you just in case” category.

  • Frank Francisco

    I didn’t forget that at all… I just looked at a larger sample size than one season.

  • pastline63

    I agree, but a typical Mets missed opportunity, Morales can be had and then move forward from there,

  • pastline63

    He could really help shake things up in a positive way here.

  • pastline63

    Good Ideas as far as the real world is concerned, but we are in Wilpon land and nothing makes sense there.

  • ed charles

    puig robbed him of a gap double against dodgers that would have plated runners. Flores isn’t a problem.

  • ed charles

    Big mistake not re-signing Buck. He could have been a good mentor.

  • Jimmy Broadway

    Is it within the realm of possibility to get Alexei Ramirez in a trade, and slide flores to first, play Campbell in left?

    Lagares
    Murphy
    Wright
    Granderson
    Ramirez
    Campbell
    Flores
    D’arnaud

    Add one legit bat, and adding by subtraction of Duda and the Youngs really change the lineup.

  • Ike Davis – .424
    David Wright – .383

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Youre such a simpleton.

    You read and quoted where I stated “SO FAR” as a precursor to what I expected to be the outcome.

    My comment was merely a so far IM RIGHT. And Duda doesnt seem to be doing anything to change that.

  • prosoundz

    Lagares
    Murphy
    Wright
    Morales
    Flores
    Granderson
    Puello
    d’Arnaud

    Is a major league baseball team.

  • Just read this article.it truly bothers me that people act like because of his height Flores cannot succeed at short stop. Derek Jeter, ALex Rodriguez and Cal Ripken were all the same height or taller with equal range or less than Flores. Just let the kid play and see what happens. No one is expecting a gold glove from Flores. Heck Jeter is a HOF SS and his defense has been put down throughout his career. Doesn’t matter though, he will go into the HOF as a SS.
    15 years ago Flores would have simply been considered just another large SS.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24571213/time-for-mets-to-give-a-real-fulltime-shot-to-flores-as-well-as-lagares

  • Jeff Roland

    this post sounds like it was written by a 3rd grader. grammatical and structural sentence errors are littered throughout the post. c’mon, if you dont know any better yourself, get some freakin proofreaders. you’re insulting anyone with 1/2 a brain

  • Jimmy Broadway

    Ok swap Campbell for Puello, I just think Alexei is a better ball player than Morales and he is one hell of an offensive shortstop. How about getting both of them, Ya right

  • Jeff Roland

    show me when he even started 3-4 games in a row. he hasn’t. and its pathetic. what the hell are they doing? they need to get at bats for journeymen retreads like Andrew brown but not their top position player prospect. this org is such a pathetic joke. the problem is the joke is on us

  • NeedNewOwners

    Immediate addition by subtraction could result if CYoung and Duda were sent away. Replace them with just about anyone and it is an improvement. These 2 are just worthless on a baseball field and anyone can see that. EYoung not much better but rather see him over C every time. If dArnaud comes back playing the same as he was before, add him to the list and let him swap places with Plawecki. Valverde must go also. Get the best AAA and AA guys up here along with Backman and a couple of other coaches to replace Collins, Hudgens (Abreu for hitting coach) and Warthen. If this organization would do a major shakeup at least it would make loyal fans happy and make for some excitement this summer. Right now, the season is over and the team is totally lifeless under this clown manager Collins. Imagine adding 5 or 6 new young players along with a new manager and staff…..that would be worth watching and rooting for. This collection up here now is filled with deadwood and not worth the time.

  • DrDooby

    Toby Hyde – like other Mets prospect watchers like Jeffrey Paternostro – takes minor league stats way too seriously. One thing even saber oriented people working in MLB realized a long time ago is to not scout the stat line and even not take “good” swings of advanced 24-year-olds vs. raw 20-year-olds too seriously. What they want to see is adjustments and progress. That’s what the minors are all about. DEVELOP not produce. If you produce as a bi- product, fine. But the numbers are pretty irrelevant unless they indicate that there’s a severe flaw that a player fails to work / progress on.

  • DrDooby

    Recker = John Buck. Both have 55 to 60 power but a 30 hit tool. Strict backups at this point.

  • Mickey Jennifer Wind

    is it possible to fail with men on more than Duda and Young? Campbell shold play everyday. get a real bat in lf or 1b and let Soup play the other.

  • Mickey Jennifer Wind

    puello has been garbage and lost his place in aaa. he is not sniffing the mets and may end up being cut/traded.

  • Mickey Jennifer Wind

    puello sucks and makes brown look like babe ruth. no peds no more hitting.

  • Mickey Jennifer Wind

    its duda out there. how much defense are you really losing anyway?

  • Mickey Jennifer Wind

    Lagares
    Murphy
    Wright
    Morales
    Granderson
    Campbell
    Flores
    catcher

    wow,does that look better.#screwtheyoungs

  • Peter

    If there is a bat to get it is Morales to play 1st on a one year deal

  • ifti99

    Forget about change guys. There are only two consistent factors for the Mets: They will continue to cut payroll and the team will continue to lose. I laugh at these people who suggest trades. Don’t you realize the Wilpons have ZERO intention of putting on additional salaries? The team is losing money at a rapid rate.

  • GB

    Meta will NEVER sign Morales and as much as I want to blame money, I can’t. It’s because Sandy would have to admit that he made the wrong choice with Duda over Ike. Sandy has been wrong 99% of his decisions but he will never admit to it. As long as he keeps payroll in the bottom 5 of he league, he is a genius for the Coupons. I love when he says we can spend more if more people come out to the games. It’s not even officially Memorial day and we have nothing to look forward to….a huge shakeup is needed..WALLY as manager, Ojeda as pitching coach, Tejada can sell hotdogs in the stadium, Duda should work in the parking lot, CY should be traded to Japan, etc……..

  • Nimmofan25

    Morales isn’t happening, I wish it would but not happening. One they aren’t going to make the playoffs or come close to it so a 1 year deal is pointless. Pretty sure you lose a pick which again helps it not happen. And lastly he’s going to be looking for at least 10 mil which they wouldn’t do for a position of need.

  • Charley’s Twin

    I was talking about Duda, but i guess you could say it about Davis too. Hahah.

  • Nimmofan25

    Cuddyer could be had prefer him in the outfield.
    Juan
    Murphy
    Wright
    Grandy
    Cuddyer
    Ramirez
    Campbell
    d’arnaud
    That’s a much improved lineup.

  • Joanie Yan

    This team can never gather any momentum. Most teams (even bad ones) will go on winning streaks during the year. Collins’ teams never do that. They have no killer instinct. After a good win against the Dodgers, they’ve sleepwalked through the last 2 games (I know Friday’s doesn’t count but it wasn’t looking good). This was supposed to be a soft spot in the schedule, but the Mets can never take advantage. Of course the Pirates and our favorite first baseman come in tomorrow – they’ve now started to play better so it won’t be easy.

  • Nimmofan25

    Smith and Cecchini also starting to heat up, Nimmo’s back to where he was in April. Nice to see Cecchini adding pop in savannah which is not a hitters park.

  • Nimmofan25

    It has nothing to do with Sandy or Duda, Duda is not Sandy’s guy he was a Minaya pick. Why would you sign a guy who isn’t going to carry you to the playoffs. You have no idea if he can play a full year at first. Plus give up a pick as well as pay 10 mil plus. Makes little to no sense unless you add another key bat.

  • GB

    Duda is not Sandy’s guy? Just bc he didn’t draft him doesn’t mean he didn’t pick him over Ike. R U serious? I wasn’t advocating ( based on what you said I feel I need to define this…pushing for) signing Morales. I was making the point that sandy will never sign or trade for another 1st basemen bc he PICKED DUDA over IKE. I never said he DRAFTED him.

  • Fast Eddie

    Three relievers to get three outs in the ninth inning: this is TC’s recipe for destroying the Mets’ bullpen by July 4. He is taking the lefty-righty matchup tactic to a new level of ridiculousness. Enough, already!

    Veloz

  • Nimmofan25

    If Sandy could get a true first baseman Duda would not be the Mets first baseman. Sandy missed out on a couple of first baseman this offseason but because both were on the roster and there was no payroll to sign one.

  • Fast Eddie

    It appears that the Mets traded the wrong 1B to the Pirates. Gee, I wonder if Ike’s salary had anything to do with the final choice.

    Veloz

  • GB

    You forgot to add that he picked Duda and traded Ike…he could have traded Ike for a very solid lefty reliever in Baltimore, but didn’t. He than days Duda can handle it and trades Ike for NOTHiNg….Sandy is the worst GM in sports….If he is so smart, why didnt he trade him in he offseason before he have him a 3.5 million deal if he had no money?

  • Nimmofan25

    You don’t trade a player for nothing, obviously he didn’t get what he wanted for Ike until the Pitt trade. Your here bitching about Duda we as fans have been here bitching about Duda what team is going to want him.
    No he couldn’t have traded anyone to Baltimore for any reliever go check out their GM’s statement. “We were not giving up who they wanted)

  • Nimmofan25

    That’s what’s making games longer not walks (Referring to an article posted yesterday). Managers over manage and that’s the real problem. I disagree with you on the Ike statement. He was never going to succeed here. He just like Duda are to fragile mentally.

  • Nimmofan25

    Should’ve signed Olivo he could’ve bit Tejada’s ear and we would’ve had Flores in there earlier.

  • TheMetsMachine

    Not that he was any good, but Ike was probably a better option over Duda:

    Ike’s Season: 119 AB’s .277 AVG .386 OBP 3 HR’s 15 RBI’s 21 walks 23 K’s, 7 doubles

    Duda’s season: 131 AB’s .237 AVG .315 OBP 5 HR’s 19 RBI’s 13 walks and 36K’s, 5 doubles

  • Mikey

    Not sure Pittsburg is the ideal Park for him…
    If he got traded to the Yankees I bet you he would become an allstar with their short porch.

  • Destry

    When Ike was traded Duda had the better career slash line and HR/AB. He has since slumped, and I’m sure his numbers would look better in Pittsburgh too

  • ed charles

    Agreed, but Buck provides a veteran’s leadership. I would have him catching rooks.