13
2012
Angels Not Interested In Dickey, Not Looking To Deal Trumbo
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Update 3:20 PM
In fact have been told #Angels aren/t 1 of teams currently trying to obtain Dickey. So guess we could stop Bourjos or Trumbo thoughts. #Mets
— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) December 13, 2012
Other teams asked about Mark Trumbo, and been told that he’s not available; the Angels have said they are keeping him.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) December 13, 2012
Well then… It should also be known that the Red Sox have signed Ryan Dempster, which might actually eliminate another potential trade partner for RA Dickey. Dempster’s deal is worth $26.5 million over two years.
Update 2:30 PM (Satish Ram)
Source: #Angels, Hamilton in agreement. Five-year deal, as first reported by @jonmorosi.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 13, 2012
ESPNDallas is reporting that it is a five-year deal worth $125 MM dollars.
So for the second straight offseason, the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim have signed the top position player on the market. Last year, it was Albert Pujols and this year, Josh Hamilton. This deal basically came out of nowhere and went down during the course of today. The Angels will surrender their first round pick, which was #22, and the Rangers will receive a compensatory pick later in the draft as well. As pointed out on MLBTR, Hamilton now joins a lineup that already has Albert Pujols and Mike Trout.
Rangers GM Jon Daniels is disappointed at the way the negotiations went, as the Rangers were supposedly never given an opportunity to match the offer. The Mariners were supposedly the front runners in signing Hamilton before today.
This immediately becomes important to the Mets, as the Angels were previously interested in RA Dickey and now have a surplus of outfielders. Peter Bourjos and Mark Trumbo are each trade candidates for the Mets in their own right, as Hamilton and Trout will occupy two out of the three outfield spots for the Angels. As Adam mentions under me, the Angels also have Vernon Wells under contract.
One should also not count out Texas, as they may make a play for Upton now, or make a more serious run at RA Dickey. Either way, it looks like the hot stove for the Mets indirectly just got a lot warmer.
Original Post 2:00 PM
According to a MLB source, the Los Angeles Angels are in serious discussions with free-agent outfielder Josh Hamilton. No deal is in place yet, however.
If this deal does indeed go down, I think it won’t be long until R.A. Dickey joins the Angels as well. Hamilton would be joining an outfield already consisting of Mike Trout, Mark Trumbo, and Peter Bourjos. Not to mention they still have Vernon Wells under contract.
One of Trumbo or Bourjos would have to be dealt to make room for Hamilton, and I’m sure the Angels would like to add one more starting pitcher to their rotation. Definitely keep your eye on this story as it develops.
About the Author: Adam Rossi
I graduated from Siena College in 2008 with a BA in English and a minor in Writing. I was brainwashed at birth by my grandfather to become a Mets fan, and have been following the team since my youth. While they've driven me mad over the years, I still do my best to try to keep things in perspective. Follow me on Twitter: @aj16ross
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It’s done….
Sportscenter: BREAKING – Source: Josh Hamilton (@thejoshhamilton) has reached an agreement in principle on a 5-year deal w/ @Angels.
I agree with you Adam. This is why getting mad on 12-13-12 makes no sense. Let the offseason play out.
Will they make a deal with LAA? Who knows. But they are certainly more of a trade partner today than yesterday.
I’d prefer Bourjos myself because I value defense in CF. Plus I think you can still sign some pop in Cody Ross for RF. If the Angels would give Bourjos and 1 mid prospect, i’d do it now
Couldn’t agree more. I was hoping to find some time this week to write a post about being patient and not freaking out, but now I might not have to. This deal just might show that better than I can tell it, depenging on how it all plays out.
you and I both! I already kind of did a few weeks ago though. But still – if you want to be mad about the offseason, do it in February, March. Not a week after the winter meetings.
Breaking News: Jessep for MMO is reporting the Mets are now making wholesale changes.
good one?
This is why getting mad on 12-13-12 makes no sense”
But getting happy and praising sandy alderson when signing 2 bums and trading for one for the bullpen does? Writing a stupid ass article about it makes sense too right? Proclaiming he “had a good day” Makes sense? You are something else you know that?
Do you honestly believe the Mets will be the ONLY team after trumbo and/or bourjos? Is it a given they’ll give up on them?
And right on cue:
Key development: @JeffPassan reports Angels have interest in RA Dickey. Mets need cheap center fielder. Angels have Bourjos. Stay tuned.
Bourjos suck btw..
So apparently we won’t be trading with Trxas snymore
Yeah, I would expect them to do everything they can to get Upton but what if Arizona isn’t biting? Do they cave and still try to bring in Dickey?
Actually I don’t see why you can’t expand the deal to net Trumbo and Bourjos? Bourjos is such a light hitter that he for certain is not the “impact” bat that the Mets need. Trumbo by himself certainly is the power hitter. The Mets need 2 OF anyway. The Angels are all in so see if you can’t get both for Dickey and say… Murphy who would start at 3B for them.
Now you’re speaking my language.
Dickey and wheeler for trumbo and bourjos then?? What suggestion you have for a trade like that? BTW, we BOTH know it won’t happen but hey, might as well dream big right?
I just proposed it.
Dickey, Murphy (who would start at 3B for them) and tops a guy like Mejia or Familia for Trumbo and Bourjos. If they view Bourjos as more valuable than that then they can keep him.
you have a high opinion of these guys. Burjos that basically sucks at hitting (and is another low power no OBP K machine). And Trumbo is a bit like Ike, except the league seemed to have adjusted to him and and from mid-June on (after a torrid start) last year he was Jason Bay.
Frightening to think how many Ks that lineup would generate!
might as well throw Conger in too. at least he hit in the minors.
I’d do that deal….BUT….I no longer get excited nor get my hopes up when talking Mets and potential trades and/or signings…..
This team has been involved in minimal deals since Sandy has taking over every move made was to relieve payroll.
Callaspo???? Would murphy start over HIM??? Really?
.252 .331 .361 .692
It’s not hard to improve over that offensively. The challenge of course is Murphy playing defense anywhere.
Or how about 1 of them and catcher Conger? Lots of possibilities
Texas will go get desperate for Upton now. Let em. He doesn’t make them better. LAA is still the best roster and needs a SP.
Oh I have said all along if they could somehow do some type of large package for all 3 I would do it in a heart beat.
Flores, Dickey, Murphy and a lower level pitcher for those 3? Done.
and here’s the thing man.
I’d do that to and thats a very fair trade for both. That trade changes the entire outlook of the mets offseason.
That’s why I don’t get ticked off on December 13th. Wait to see what actually happens. Everybody wanted to be mad….
You make it seem as if the Angels are interested in any deal with the Mets. It makes sense for us to want a trade not necessarily the Angels.
I would assume they will be trying to move Vernon Wells whom is owed $25M per the next 2years not Trumbo and Bourjous…
What an Outfield they have though
1.Trout CF
2.Hamilton RF/LF
3.Trumbo RF/LF
4.Morales 1B/RF
5.Wells RF/LF
6.Bourjous CF
Their 2nd string OF is better than our starting OF lol….pitiful
5.Mor
I will learn sabermetrics if this happens.
Interesting trade for sure.
Anything can happen yet. Have to agree with those saying it’s too early to declare this off season a failure.
Of course you have to agree. You’ve been agreeing since the winter of our discontent in 2010. LOL
RME
Wow this changes things, Texas becomes desperate and Trumbo and or Bourjos becomes available. Dickey is gone for sure now. Go get Trumbo Alderson, that is a order
Yeah, like I said, if nothing else this might create a bidding war between Texas and AA for Dickey.
Yes expand the deal, throw in some prospects, get Bourjos and Trumbo. Alderson should have hookers on the way over to Anaheim front office
How about Bourjos and Conger? Conger is a good-hitting catcher, who seems to have not put it all together. and we already know about Bourjos, and his center field, as well as above average hitting. That would help our lineup as well as catching and outfield as well.
Dickey+Wilmer for Bourjos and Conger.
Wait a minute?
” as well as above average hitting”
From Boujos?
“Dickey+Wilmer for Bourjos and Conger.” If that’s the trade then we might as well give both Dickey and Flores away. Conger is an avg defensive catcher who can’t hit a lick and let’s face it he is a AAAA player offensively, I wouldn’t want him on my team.
Bourjos is a good player to get but not at the expense of Dickey and Flores. Bourjos game is speed, he isn’t a good bat, and while his defense is great this met team is starving for offense.
No thank you.
Wow, the west coast is where all the money is.
Looks like the baseball teams out there just discovered TV.
“so you’re telling me…we can let television networks show our games and they’ll pay us?!”
This is what we have been reduced to guys. Another team makes a big move and we celebrate hoping to be let into the party. I guess it doesn’t matter how you get there, a party is a party. That said, this has to be Trumbo or bust. Ideally, you can get Trumbo and Bourjos and I can talk myself into the regressing Conger.
I have decided Wilmer Flores is my favorite Met, so I don’t want him traded. In all seriousness, there’s no way they can move him…you guys understand he is the ONLY bat in the system remotely close to the big leagues right??
Angels saying they’re not moving Trumbo. I hope that’s grandstanding, if we move Dickey and Bourjos is the main “player”, I will stop throwing up in my mouth at our long-term planning and proceed to throw up all over myself.
That is all.
I’ll agree with you on that one.
I’ll take Bourjos if he comes WITH Trumbo, but not without. Trumbo is the main reason I’d send Dickey to the Angels.
But, but, but, but Jessep and Cerrone said!
Why in the world would they give up Trumbo? Who would play RF for them?
Dickey, he can play RF when he isn’t pitching. Just ask Cerrone, he’ll tell ya.
Well hell…….does Cerrone think he can do that for the Mets?
It’s not like Trumbo is a full time OF. Besides, he’s got more game in left than right. They’d probably give someone like Kole Calhoun a shot to earn it.
Kole Calhoun????
Besides Trumbo and Bourjos…
Kendry Morales can play RF
Vernon Wells can play RF
Josh Hamilton can play RF
they have more than enough OF help ….they are very DEEP
OK, my point was that right field isn’t where they would miss Trumbo.
But, look at the options you just gave. Which one of them has significant time in RF?
Wells has 28 games at RF for his career
Morales has 18 games in RF for his career
Hamilton is the best bet since, while he only has a whopping 70 games as a right fielder for his career, he’d be making a transition from center field.
It’s not like any of them have a clear advantage over Calhoun
If the mets are considering olt for rf…i think the angels might have better options in wells
Every time a team makes a big move, Mets are like coyotes and vultures looking to scrape what flesh is left on the carcass. So predictable and laughable as well.
The Mets are a joke under Alderson, a punchline.
LMAO!!!
Exactly!!! Alderson isnt going to do JACK SH*T to improve this team…..The only move he can make to improve the team is to quit and take the Wilpons,Depo, and Ricciardi with him
Red Sox signed Dempster.
But, but, but, but the Red Sox were one of 4 teams interested in Dickey!
More sad puppy dog faces,
Reality Check: @Joelsherman1 In fact have been told #Angels aren/t 1 of teams currently trying to obtain Dickey. So guess we could stop Bourjos or Trumbo thoughts.
Awww, sad puppy dog faces.
No chance Angels trade Trumbo for Dickey. He is young , cost controlled, and a very good power hitter. Bourjous maybe but are we that desperate to trade our best player for Peter Bourjos and a prospect?
We were 14 games under .500 and Divkey was 14 over. Why not pay him fairly and sign him.
angels announce they are not trading Trumbo…Texas pissed they didnt get a chance to match Hamilton offer and going hard for Upton. Sox sign Dempster…This is horrible news for the Mets..Angels and Dodgers are done, Sox just got their pitcher for a large $ deal, which is more then Dickeys asking price and means Sandy was asking for too much. Mets are running out of trade partners and Sandy is looking like an idiot. He did the same thing with Reyes and Hairston; asking for a kings ranson and ending up with nothing. This is shaping up to a PR disaster, but Mets are used to this crap. SMH
Angels still need SP. If you go that heavy on big $ vets, not going to stop with a weak rotation.
and Reyes was damaged goods during the July trade season. No team was giving up good prospects for him.
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
In fact have been told #Angels aren/t 1 of teams currently trying to obtain Dickey. So guess we could stop Bourjos or Trumbo thoughts. #Mets
haha i love the offseason
I generally love the offseason too, but not so much the last three years from our perspective.
Does ever big trade for acquisition another team always have to be met with pandemonium that is somehow opens the door for us to do something?
If we wanted to do something we would have done so already I would think.
As Alderson said Tuesday, 2013 is going to look a lot like 2012. (paraphrasing here)
Excuse my typos guys. What I intended to say was:
Does every big trade or acquisition by another team always have to be met with pandemonium that is somehow opens the door for us to do something?
Parnell, Dickey, and Famillia or Mejia for Bourjos and Trumbo. Wheeler can not go anywhere
It is GM speak. A week ago the Angels said they weren’t doing anything with position players.
Regarding the no trades from LAA
I’d be shocked if they go into the season with Wells, Bourjos, Trumbo, Morales, Pujols, Trout, Hamilton all on the roster.
I don’t care what the source says. The Mets better make the call at least.
A week ago nobody was giving Hammer more than 3 years. Today he agrees to 5. Things change quickly.
I’d be shocked if Wells is not released in spring like Castillo, Perez, Bay. Angels have swallowed many big contracts before.
Dude, the Yankees don’t eat $42 million on a contract.
yah $42m is a lot to eat for any team.
Ya, this morning, he was headed to Seattle. Last week, there was no way he was leaving Texas.
Maybe those aren’t tea leaves people are reading.
Torii Hunter (@toriihunter48) tweeted at 3:24pm – 13 Dec 12:
I was told money was tight but I guess the Arte had money hidden under a Mattress. Business is business but don’t lie.
it was tight because they had a bid on Greinke. They used Greinke $ for Hamilton.
There were initially eight trade partners. Now it’s down to three and possibly only two. Rangers are pursuing Kyle Lohse. The desperation everyone told me was coming has yet to rear it’s head.
and quite often, deals suddenly go down with a team that was never mentioned in all the speculation.
Or the fact that teams simply do not value a 38 year old Cy Young pitcher as much as the Mets do. Teams arent falling over themselves to get him.
There won’t be a Dickey trade. Its becoming obvious that only a few teams are interested and that Sandy’s price is unrealistic. Same old, same old in Mets land. This team is going to SUCK ASS.
At least we didn’t resign Angel Torres!?!?
I was really fearful that was going to happy.
Alderson lovers are so darn clueless. Just think, if he’d have signed Hamilton, there would be buzz in Queens, season tickets sales would have exploded as Yankees look like a 162 game old timers team. Mets would have made more than contract. but you clowns celebrate the worst failure ever to hit the Met front office. The joke is the few fans who think this guy is for real,
So a 32 year old center fielder with a propensity for running face first into walls on a 5 year deal at $25MM per is your idea of a good signing for a team 2 years away at least?
Oh, wait, it would cause buzz. He can be our own Tim Tebow.
You seem to have an excuse for every move the Mets dont make and a defense for every move they do make. What gives?
@Donal so Tim Tebow has put up MVP years like Hamilton? Tim Tebow is a back up QB, Hamilton is a Mega Superstar ALL Star, no offense but not only would Hamilton put @sses in the seats the guy will hit 35HR’s+ 120 RBI’s in at least 4 of those 5 years.
Okay first of all.
Hamilton’s body is breaking down. A few years ago when he was reinstated and came to the team I worked for his knees were already in bad shape. He’s a great talent who had a tragic story and missed his best years as an athlete.
He’s going to be similar to ARod in 2 years. He’s breaking down, and frankly the worst thing a team president like nolan ryan can say about a player is that he “gives away at bats.” And he said that.
I’ll always root for Hamilton because I spent an entire weekend with his family in Batavia but, anybody who is mad the Mets didn’t get him is just lost. He would have been a disaster here.
He needs to play a corner OF now and his production will drop soon. A lot of Hamilton’s #s come against bad pitchers too.
The craziest part of Hamilton’s career (not his off the field stuff) is that he was 3 outs away from being a World Series hero. He went from that, to 1 year later being booed off the field in Texas against Baltimore.
how is that different from Mr 138 million dollar man?
Well for starters if you read anything about what I said, it’s drastically different
For starters – do you have evidence that Wright’s body is breaking down? Does Wright have knee issues that you know of? Does Wright have to change his position to become a viable option in the field? do people say Wright gives away at bats?
I mean do you just read what you want to in order to mention David Wright in a negative view? Josh Hamilton’s worth to the Mets versus David Wright’s is honestly just a waste of time.
sure…lets compare Wright’s numbers from age 21-25…
then compare his numbers from age 26-29
f
this looks like a player already on the decline
lets not mention that despite the fact that the fences were moved in, Wright still hit below avg numbers in terms of HR
signing Wright and then not going after Hamilton or Bourn is essentially settling for status quo
status quo = 75-81 wins
good luck with that
You know what’s funny, it’s ok to keep a 3rd baseman who will be unproductive in terms of his salary up until 38 years of age, but it’s not ok for someone else to go get someone who can be DHin later years and can put up 40+ HR and drive in 120+ runs .. Amazing.
Just like it’s not ok to panic now because the mets haven’t made any moves yet, but it’s ok to celebrate when sandy goes out and get 3 mediocre relievers
I think its very funny that you talk now about what a player on the team you claim to be a fan of will be unproductive at the end of his contract, yet have faith in a NON Met that later in his career will hit 40+ homeruns as a DH even though he’s only done that once in his career.
Lets Go Mets………..
Wright is a very good bet to be productive into his mid 30s, i.e. the next 6 years or so of his contract based on comparable players at his position and with his sort of production and skill set. Check out very productive players such as Adrian Beltre & Aramis Ramirez who are 4 years older than Wright right now or how even older players like Chipper Jones, Scott Rolen or Michael Young have aged, generally remaining at their high career level of play well into their mid, sometimes even late 30s.
Odds are, he is fine and probably underpaid or paid at market rate for the next 5-6 years and then regresses for the 7th and 8th year of his deal – when his salary also drops significantly again and he´ll probably more of an elder team mascot with fringe league average production and probably declining playing time.
Also, if you want to question the Wright extension, take a look at the Mets farm system and where its strengths (tons of pitching) and weaknesses (few advanced hitting prospects above High A ball) currently are. Then take a look at the upcoming free agent classes and whether you see any sort of hitter who is as good a bet as Wright to be a well above average hitter for the next 5+ years. Then you´ll realize why extending Wright to this contract makes a lot of sense.
As for Trumbo, Olt or someone else with power, I believe we all agree that the Mets really need another bat with power to go with Davis & Wright. Unless Lucas Duda finally discovers something, I don´t see any other hitters on the current roster to reach 20+ HR in 2013. Whether it´s worth trading Dickey is an entirely different question.
David Wright = Mark Sanchez ?
LMAO @ Damaja… Come on now, at least sanchez too the jets to 2 championships game and perform well in the playoffs.. Give sanchez some credit.
Sanchez doesn’t play defense. that’s why the Jets went to those championship games. He simply didn’t screw up enough to sink them.
And Wright was at his absolute best and was dragging the team kicking and screaming into October until their choking became too much.
LOL
Wright hasnt had a good 2nd half in 5 years !?!!?
are u still going to be bringing up 2007 when its 2017 !?!?
No, I was referring to the last time this team was in a playoff run (even if they were mirages)
” and was dragging the team kicking and screaming into October until their choking became too much.”
dragging the team
2007 – Beltran + Delgado + Alou were hitting just as good or better than your superhero
2008 – Beltran + Delgado + Tatis were hitting just as good or better than your superhero
Do you not remember all those game-winning plays Tatis had…they changed his walk-up music to the superman theme song. In 2008, tatis was the LF version of RA Dickey
I also recall Pedro in 2007 + Johan in 2008 doing their part in September to carry the team
But according to u…it was David Wright + the 7 Dwarfs
LMAO
You Wright Stans are hilarious
“2007 – Beltran + Delgado + Alou were hitting just as good or better than your superhero
2008 – Beltran + Delgado + Tatis were hitting just as good or better than your superhero”
Except not. Wright was the most productive offensive player they had and at his best when they needed him the most.
I have no idea why some “fans” feel the need to attack the team’s best player. I wonder if some of them came over from Fishtails.
You remember Pedro in 07? Really? Do you want to rethink that one?
I think it would have been a mistake – a big mistake – for Hamilton to have signed with the Mets only because I would be afraid for his own well being. Los Angeles is laid back and for one who cannot be left alone at any time or carry money, New York would be a lion’s den. Look what it has done to those without the demons Josh carries inside of him.
“LA’s fine, the sun shines most of the time and the feeling is laid back” whereas MMO alone would be enough to drive him out of his mind!
Ya, I’ve never heard of a celebrity in LA having substance abuse problems.
If Hamilton was a Met he would know all the good crack spots in the Bronx, harlem and Brooklyn. He would make the escort services rich as well. On top of being injured for probably 75 to 80 % of his contract, which he will be with Anaheim or whoever he signed with.
Darryl Strawberry came back to NY for the Yankees in 1996 and did just fine staying away from the crack.
If Josh Hamilton was a met, i could see the wilpons planting some fake stories about hamilton to give fans someone to take their minds off of wright’s annual 2nd half swoon
poor josh would be driven to drink in queens
Except for the time in Tampa ST when he was arrested, pleaded no contest for possrssion of cocaine..
I highly recommend his book, its real good,honest an eyeopener
Remember when the Hot Stove was exciting for Met fans (e.g., when we traded for “The Kid”)?
The blockbuster trade was announced by Frank Gifford on MNF. We were all so stoked and couldn’t wait for the baseball season to begin!!
Will we ever see those days again?
When we have a Doc,Darryl and Darling already winning.
Remember the great 1991 / 1992 off-season ?
Getting Jeff Torborg as Mgr.
Signing Eddie Murray. Bang
Trading Jefferies & others for Saberhagen.
Signing Bobby Bonilla to a then-record contract.
Adding Willie Randolph too.
1992 was going to be a return to the mid 80s glory…
Hmm. Not.
It sure is agonizing and non-exciting.
However, at this point, I´m not sure what moves are there to be made – that also make sense looking at 2015 & beyond – right now.
Except for possibly trading RA Dickey for a significant package of players that will probably help the Mets win from 2014 or 2015 on.
Signing Cody Ross and Jose Valverde will not make the 2013 Mets a likely playoff team.
And trading Jon Niese, Matt Harvey, Ike Davis or to a lesser degree Ruben Tejada and Bobby Parnell, i.e. the 5 Mets with the highest trade value besides Wright & Dickey probably won´t help going forward as well.
and keeping wright for 138 mil is to me in the same light as getting bonilla back in 1992.
paying a non-superstar, superstar money in an effort to sell tickets.
bobby was the hometown kid does good story…
after bad production, that story went awry real quick.
same thing may happen with Wright. This is a results oriented town. If Wright is hitting .270 with 10 HR in 2004…people might lay off of him…but in 2013 with a 138 mil contract….if Wright is hitting .270 with 10 HR, folks are gonna be ALL OVER HIM.
that is the price for wearing the crown in this town.
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This guy is getting Miguel Cabrera money, now, i don’t know about you, but i want Miguel Cabrera production for years to come. Which i am 1000000% sure it won’t happen since Wright is on a steep decline and will likely put up avg of 280-300 10-15 70-90 at best for years to come with avg defense and below avg speed, which btw, killed us last year a bunch of times because he got caught 13 times trying to steal bases.
Yeah, Wright is the one that killed the Mets last year
Killed rallies i meant to say.. But hey, according to his (again) second half decline contributed much to the dead of the mets no? He had his all star game app then he went into chill back and relax mode..
I can see us trading with them but if we trade Dickey to them, they might also want Thole as Dickeys catcher. I can see Dickey, Thole, Flores as a start from us for Trumbo, Conger and possibly Bourjos.