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Cerrone: Mets and Wright $20 Million Apart
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Matt Cerrone of MetsBlog says he’s heard that Sandy Alderson and David Wright are just $20 million dollars apart on a new contract extension.
However, based on what I’m hearing, Wright’s camp is thinking seven years and at least $130 million guaranteed, while the Mets are thinking more like six years and around $110 million. Frankly, that’s close enough to make me confident they’ll eventually find a compromise.
Sounds like Wright and the Mets are getting ready to tie the knot for at least the next seven years counting his 2013 option year, and perhaps even eight years if the Wright camp gets their say.
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Matt Cerrone has heard???? From WHO?????? Either way, if this is true, this is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE mistake… But… Whatever
Yes one time when I am hoping the Wilpon’s go cheap and stick to their guns.
Sadly, he is going to be signed and the Mets will have another albatross for a contract in a few years.
yeah he says what he is hearing, doesn’t give a source
Yeah it is. Its what they believe to be fan appeasement.
Terrible news,
More of the same………
Imagine if this was Omar? And it was a backloaded contract?
Going back to last year me and a few others always said the way to go was the use to money to resign Jose Reyes (no matter how brainless he is) and use him and Tejada as the middle infield..and with the Mets young pitching this team would have been experiencing more winning sooner rather than later. But no, Sandy disrespected Jose because of his stupid “philosophy”, refused to add a starting catcher to supplement Thole LAST YEAR when we wanted it, signing Jose would have resulted in less holes to fill and less guys moving around and now look where the team is at. The GM is kowtowing to the fans so then can root for their Golden Boy all the way to 4th place again.
THIS^^^
Me and you all along gave that idea… We could’ve traded wright for a C and a P that the rockies were offering us at the time.. Now we have holes at P and at C that need to be filled, along with 2B and the OF. not sure the need to resign the guy when we will have a young stud for the future in wilmer flores ready in one more year.. Fans don’t pay to see wright, and we’re no better with him than we were without him…
lol we’re no better with than we are without a 7.8 WAR player??
God I’m so happy neither of you is the GM of this team.
1. WAR (depending on whose version you even use) is not the end all be all.
2. The question is what is best for the Mets. So you can spend money to keep Wright and hope he continues to perform like first half 2012 for 6-8 years. Or you can hope that for the life of the contract he continues to be a top 3B. Or, you can see if there are better ways to allot the money going to Wright. So for example, what if trading Wright allows you to net one of 1-3 prospects that are part of your new core of players, what if the Wright money can be used to bring in two plus OFers for your OF, and what if not paying for a declining player allows you flexibility in the future to lock up young players who will improve over the life of their first generation contract??
3. We all have our opinions. Some thing you sign Wright because he’s great, he can be a legacy Met and he’s integral to our future. But some of us see his last few years, balk at giving him a second generation contract, and think that moving him helps the Mets become winners much quicker.
Hank, I take issue with your plan and most others like it. “So for example, what if trading Wright allows you to net one of 1-3 prospects that are part of your new core of players, what if the Wright money can be used to bring in two plus OFers for your OF”
Everyone seems to think the Mets can trade every cent of Wright’s contract AND get top prospects back. Doesn”t work that way. Would be nice if it did, but that’s why re-signing Wright to fair market value might be the best move. Maybe not. I’m not on the conference calls. But maybe it is. Because if the Mets want to save the $16 mil and sign two outfielders, they’re not getting a great haul of kids. If they want a great haul of kids, then they have to pay a significant amount of the $16 mil and can’t get two outfielders.
So the options are:
1) A great haul of kids to add to the core OR
2) Dumping salary to spend elsewhere OR
3) Keeping an All Star for the forseeable future and hope the finances are in order enough to absorb the back end when he’s lost a step.
Unfortunately, Mets fans can’t have their cake and eat it, too.
That’s fair. The hard part of any of these “arguments” are that we are privy to very little and only know what we know. I have said to you before, I think you could be right that David’s market isn’t that robust and teams are not looking to give up prospects for one year of his services. Or I could be right that at $16MM for next year the Dodgers or Angels could be all over him. We just don’t know.
So the way I see it, either we pay him and hope he maintains his good play over the length of the contract. Or we turn the page and move him to fill holes and bring in other talent. It seems as if Dickey will be traded, his $5MM makes him tradeable but it doesn’t help us that much payroll wise. Wright’s $16MM means that you can legitimately add two starters to next year’s OF. This also allows more development time to see what we really have in Kirk and ‘Spin in AAA. It might mean hoping young Wilmer can man 3B. He’s a prospect, but his bat and improving pedigree is what I’ll choose over an aging and market value Wright at 3B.
The good stats say Wright was amazing this year, and they’re right, but I think we should be a little cautious because of the problems he had from 2009-2011.
yeah, using a player’s WAR in these arguments really tells the story and puts things in perspective – NOT. I mean…who cares about the “WAR” of the supporting players? Will it nullify Wright’s WAR?
Or maybe we should just stick to talking about ACTUAL player’s abilities and what they can contribute to winning in the context of what you have as the rest of your team.
Unbelievable. But keep living in your fantasy baseball world and confuse the 2. You WISH me or any combination of a few people here, including the site admin was the GM. This team would NO DOUBT be in better shape. But i guess you’re one of the people that actually believes this BUM we have as GM now is doing a good job. You love the fact that he’s a sabermetric intensive GM, that’s the reason. The Mets as a team? You have no interest at all.
I mean could you even consider team building and playing GM 10 years ago? Is it even possible to do it without this stupid WAR and the rest of this nonsense? You probably believe that it’s not. God, how could baseball exist without WAR the last 100 years? Just get rid of all baseball history, movies, books because it was NOTHING now that we have sabermetrics telling it’s androids what do to.
dude, you’re just embarrassing yourself at this point.
you must be new here lol. he’s been doing that as long as I’ve been around.
Believe me, I’m not embarrassing myself. And that’s something that a person with a monicker like yours, and your one sentence responses shouldn’t be doing.
You wouldn’t know a hang move from a hang nail so take a hike.
oh and anything that has to do with your stupid WAR and all of that nonsense doesn’t matter if you’re right or wrong anyway because it’s all subjective, it’s all debatable and usually it goes no further than the study of numbers in and of itself. That’s why you guys don’t like RBIs because of the recording of it. How it’s compared when you are analyzing statistics as opposed to the actual action of driving in runs. Guys who do that, guys who are good at that are invaluable – how you record it and how it stacks against other stats in that context is an entirely different subject.
The actual game of baseball has nothing to do with this. Again you couldn’t tell a hang move from a hang nail and you wouldn’t know when to bring an infield in, and when and when not to hold on a runner, and I could go on and on. My bet is if you had any actual baseball experience your baseball life it probably ended in t-ball.
I actually PLAY baseball. I’m a senior in high school and I’m good. Maybe I’ll get drafted in college if i bulk up (i’m 5″11 145lbs).
I’m not gonna bother explaining WAR because obviously your not gonna listen.
It’s funny. There was a post here a week ago, maybe two. It was about Angel Pagan and how his WAR was higher than all the Mets put together. Something like that. Anyway, there was an avalanche of comments from the regular saber guys of MMO all putting WAR down as a stat. LOL Stats are great because you can use them to support both sides of an argument and when they work against you, you just pick a stat that works for you. BTW tell Alderson to use different stats this offseason, because his trades and signings were awful.
1) It wasn’t higher than all the Mets put together. It was higher than all the OF
2) That is a very low bar. The argument was just how good Pagan was or whether the trade was good.
Wow you are quicker than a fly to manure. lol
Pagan had the 6th highest WAR in the MAJOR LEAGUES among CF
Is that a high enough bar for you?
Given what we know about Pagan and how people like to cherry pick numbers, no, not even close.
So now WAR is cherry picking?
But when you refer to WAR, its not
and considering that most Met fans were very happy with Angel Pagan in 2 of the past 3 years as a Met…and this 2012 season fell in line with those 2 seasons, one can reasonably conclude that this is the norm for Angel, not the exception.
Unless of course you choose to ignore facts, stats and data that dont support your conclusion.
Climate Change is real and so is Angel Pagan
“So now WAR is cherry picking?
But when you refer to WAR, its not”
When do I refer to it?
In fact, I say I prefer not to use it for several reasons.
The problem is when people who don’t understand advanced stats, like you, try and fling it around when they think it proves their point.
which stats would u like me to use ?
among CF, Pagan was 1st in 3B, 3rd in 2B, 10th in batting average,
the fact is, you have no tangible bar set for Angel to reach to….
no matter what he does, its not good enough, i get it, u can stop trying to defend your position with the absence of facts, data, stats and logic
Just say you dont like the way he plays, he plays like a dummy head, you would rather have rick ankiel play CF and call it a day
I don’t want Ankiel. Why would I replace one part time player with another?
“But keep living in your fantasy baseball world and confuse the 2. You WISH me or any combination of a few people here, including the site admin was the GM. This team would NO DOUBT be in better shape”
Bayonne come on. You gotta be kidding me right now. First and foremost, you wouldn’t even get a call returned by another MLB GM, let alone sports agents like Scott Boras would eat you up for breakfast. Being a team GM is more than “we should have signed this guy!” You wouldn’t even know where to begin in a real life scenario.
You can have an opinion of what players you’d prefer as a fan – but to try and honestly say you would do a better job at GM is laughable.
Just merely stating that you think you could do a better job nullifies your entire post.
This isn’t Little Big League and you aren’t Billy Heywood.
“yeah, using a player’s WAR in these arguments really tells the story and puts things in perspective – NOT.”
You really thought that was clever, didn’t you. You sad little man.
” I mean…who cares about the “WAR” of the supporting players? Will it nullify Wright’s WAR?
Or maybe we should just stick to talking about ACTUAL player’s abilities and what they can contribute to winning in the context of what you have as the rest of your team.”
WAR and other advanced stats are for just that. Looking at the individual player’s specific production and how it helps the team win.
” You WISH me or any combination of a few people here, including the site admin was the GM. ”
I myself do not want that for 2 reasons:
1) I am a Mets fan and want good things for them
2) I’m not guano crazy
delusions of grandeur
i love it , silly you . Bay for GM , oh and yeah THE CORE for FO , lmFao
It is often lost on many baseball fans that David Wright performed quite remarkably when he had protection in the batting order. This past season, he performed admirably with little or no protection. In fact, the second half of the campaign, when he clearly slumped, opponents were quite content pitching around him. Frankly, it the Mets had a strong bat in front of him, which Daniel Murphy is capable of and two strong and consistent (key word) bats behind him (one can certainly be Ike), Wright will produce even more extra base hits and RBI. If the Mets had an Eddie Murray or Chipper Jones-type hitter slotted in behind Wright, I can’t imagine how good David’s numbers would be. That being said, those type of switch-hitters come along only once or twice in generation. If I was Alderson and Co., I would be scouring the terrain to find the perfect hitter (or it could be a platoon) to slot in behind Wright, whose defensive play at 3B is as good as it gets.
There is no doubt in my mind that David Wright is a premier third sacker and hitter. There is also no doubt that he can be productive for at least five or more years. For the Mets to seek a six-year deal is prudent. A club option for beyond is very reasonable. Certainly, they can and should get this done and find a way to help protect Wright in the everyday lineup.
It astounds me to a certain degree that the Mets would not like to take a one- or two-year flyer on Melky Cabrera (a switch-hitter), since he would slot amazingly well in front of Wright and can play CF. In fact, if the Mets were able sign Cabrera, then sign Juan Pierre for LF and use Baxter in RF, the Mets would have a low-cost, very decent and reasonably speedy outfield. Add another low-priced FA, like Reed Johnson, and you have righty balance, speed and very good outfield defense in the mix. And there is no question there will be men on base for Wright and the hitters (Davis, Murphy, Baxter) that follow. Of course, the Mets would still lack the Josh Hamilton, Matt Kemp and Adrian Gonzales types to protect Wright from behind. Seems like a batting order of Pierre/Johnson, Tejada, Cabrera, Wright, Davis, Murphy/Johnson, Baxter, catchers could be quite effective.
that would make sense….if Ike Davis didnt hit in BACK of David Wright in the 2nd half hitting 30+ HR…
David had protection in the 2nd half and failed
Its the opposite of moneyball giving a second gernation contract when so many other needs must be filled. We won’t be contending for three of the seven year cobtract when DW is way past his prime. DW doesn’t really care about playing for a winner. If he is a complementary good player on a good team. On a bad team he has no support. However PR counts in ownerships mind. Cest la vie.
Is really DW worth 18.5 mil a year?
No, but $15-$16 million is fair, so that wouldn’t be a total disaster. Early reports had disastrous totals.
Really is a top rated third baseman but I can help but feel his best years are behind him. Perhaps with a manageable contract he can still be traded for some you g explosive talent.
I love you David, but please just take a 6 year deal and dont push it. Please!
I think securing DW for the longer term is sound business. No reason why he can’t be productive at 35 on a decent team with line-up protection. Plenty of recent examples (see Beltran, Torii Hunter, eetc). I would prefer the 6 add’l years guaranteed instead of 7. Even with it’s financial issues, this team should be able to handle this type of deal for a cornerstone franchise player. I think the Braves or Phillies would pounce on him for that type of deal.
They’re how much apart? Isn’t that about the difference They had with Reyes? 85 mill to Miami’s 106 mill. I wouldn’t start saying this is a done deal…and if the 110 number is correct, I’d be okay. The 7th year is bad.
You know, David is on record saying he wouldn’t chase every last dollar, and yet 110 mill plus the 16 he’s already owed sounds fair to me; especially since winning is his priority and he knows they’re broke.
He must know that the more they pay him, the less they have to surround him with actual talented players.
The reason Chipper lasted with the braves was because he took less so they could still compete by having the cash to do so. If he wants more than 110, trade him!!!
the braves also surrounded Chipper with home-grown TALENT, a HOF manager, HOF pitching coach, an accountable front office, a stud scouting team and 14 division titles
that’s why he stayed
$20 million? Is that all? Pshaw.
Joking aside, 7 years is too long for anyone over 25.
Just a hypothetical: If the next CBA included a DH for the NL (and sadly, I think it will), would this change people’s view of a long term deal for Wright?
No, it would not change it
My thoughts on David Wright have less to do with money ( they can easily afford him ) and more to do with the amount of 21 year old or younger talent a 31 year old 2nd generation player can bring back
If David were 28 ( like Reyes was ), maybe a 6 year contract, ending at year 34 would make sense.
But he’s going to be 31 when that contract starts…with 6 more years after that…
What happens if we trade David…he does not resign with that team ( as Beltran did with SF )
and now we have all those prospects we got him for PLUS the ability to resign him again ( as Cliff Lee did with Phi )
Fact is, If David Wright values winning, there is a large chance that he will not sign ANY contract here in Queens….and when he says he is not the type to squeeze out every last dime…it may very well be that he chooses another team for LESS money, but a better chance of winning.
I would not villianize him for that. Neither should any Met fan
But with that being a realistic choice for him…I would put trading him on the table in January, after initial season packages are purchased in December ( gotta fool the fools ) but before it’s too late.
My man Murph can play 3B this year…and stay there….
Flores at age 22 can play in AAA, 1 more year to groom
Effective payroll drops to about 30 mil in 2014. More cushion for the pushin
and now we can make a move on Felix Hernandez..who will be throwing the ball to Juan Centeno
the 2014 Mets starting catcher !
This team sucks because of the Wilpons
If the give Wright more than 6 yrs and 110 million they are insane.
Jaun Centeno couldn’t be the starting catcher for my son’s tee ball team
Blaming Alderson for this team’s skin and bones payroll and roster is absurd
Angel Pagan needed to be traded
RA needs to be traded
Everything I just said seems to be the biggest arguments on this site daily and these are the correct sides of the argument.
yep.
You’re a close second.
Seems like Alderson cant lose according to TruthsaboutMurphy. If he cant spend blame the Wilpons, and if he spends blame the Wilpons. I need a job like that. Talk about the most nonobjective poster on this site.
Glad to see that you’re all okay and back arguing again. Lets Go Mets!
I second this. Glad to see most regulars back online.
I still don’t have my cable connections back – I’m using a Verizon 4G hot spot to connect right now. Two weeks without baseball news was giving me withdrawal pains – LOL.
7 years, $130 million? Wright is buggin for something like that. You mean to tell me they can’t take the $110 million they’re offering Wright and piece together a team post-Wright? C’mon now Mets.
At this point, my hopes for the team are so low that not keeping David and R.A. would be the last nail in the coffin for me. I do not believe these two will make the Mets any closer to being a contender due to all the other problems created by the front office and ownership nor would they be counterproductive to the rebuilding effort, however, I will at least not have to go through the agony of seeing them in an opposing uniform. It hurt with Reyes and it definitely hurt with Seaver and Straw so that is a situation I don’t want to experience again.
I love both players…But to me, if your not keeping them both (Dickey and Wright) and adding around them, you might as well deal both…
THIS^^^
Which is what we’ve been saying all along.. We’re in rebuilding mode, why rebuild and keep them both? For what exactly? We had them both and finish 4th in back to back years. no sense and point in keeping this 2 guys when is obvious they’re not gonna help us win anything, might as well get something in return for them NOW while we have the opportunity to get really good prospects and build around harvey, davis and co.. Sell high while the opportunity is there, the fan base is mad at the front office anyways, no sense into spending money on a guy that we know what he is already and a 38 year old pitcher… SELL, SELL, SELL!!!!!!
Hate to admit it but I agree.
If they’re going to get rid of one or the other, might as well break down and start over. There’s very little ‘Mets brand’ left and two of the biggest are RA and Wright. Not a good enough reason to offer either a contract – talent would be the biggest reason. I still believe we’re better off with both instead of trading both. Prospects would be nice but as many have pointed out here, they’re a 50/50 gamble at best.
I only disagree to the point of the system is so void of offensive talent and it’s hard to get a team to trade offense for offense. If the return is there for Wright, sure. However, if you get the right return for Dickey and you keep Wright and use Dickey’s money and his trade acquisitions you can become competitive more quickly. Again, that depends on the returns for Dickey and Wright and the ability to surround Wright with more talent.
If you trade Wright and Dickey and you do not get impact bats back then you have just made Ike Davis into a worse version of David Wright. Think what kind of pitches he would see and his inability to lay off those pitches.
Agreed. I stand firmly in the trade Dickey, re-sign Wright & hold onto Niese at all costs.
Good job by Sandy dragging the Wright and Dickey negotiations all through the off-season to take fans minds off of his lack of moves to improve the team.
He’ll say he we got a late start on free agency due to negotiating contracts with 2 players whom will be Mets this coming season regardless barring a trade
Hey Leroy, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Lets not forget that catcher Anthony Recker is now on board, as is a brand new strength and conditioning coordinator Jim Malone, who will oversee the team’s strength and conditioning coach. Plus we hammered out a three year extension for J.P. Ricciardi which wasn’t cheap. We did all of that in six weeks since the season ended, and we’re not done yet.
Hi Joe,
Which goes in line with the philosophy that teams aren’t built and championships aren’t won by those on the field but by those in the front office through the help of their little old computers.
I wasn’t aware that such a philosophy even existed.
You all excuse me guy, but this is a no brainer here. DW is not asking for a team friendly contract right now, nor giving a hometown discount to make sure he will retire as a Mets. One of the Mets best prospects is at 3B and knocking doors. Send DW packing for two good prospects, save the money and in 2014 you’ll see the results.
Does anybody on this page have a six year employment contract? No.