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Willie "Must Go" Chants?

Alright I'm not ready to kick this guy out of town yet, but given the Mets recent success at Shea, I was hoping that the team wouldn't stink it up in Phili. I'll give the Mets a pass for their first loss to the Phillies, because Brian Lawrence is a mediocre pitcher who shouldn't have even been pitching that game, but for Willie to constantly rely on guys who cannot perform anymore.... ie. game two with Mota ... that's what really gets me.

Willie did a tremendous job with the bullpen last year, because he had a strong bullpen. This year with the pen far more unreliable, he constantly struggles with who to put in and when to take someone out. Mota needs to be sent to the minors, but it wasn't his fault last night. It was Willie Randolph's. Sosa should've been starting that inning, because frankly, asking Mota to give you two strong innings is asking far too much. Mota's been horrible this year, but it doesn't matter. Willie will put him in. Ditto for Heilman. Ditto for Sele. I know Willie's just buying time until the rosters expand - when he can use - say Humber or Pelfrey in some of these spots- but the bottomline is it's put up or shut up time for this team. It's time for them to act like a first place team. Last week, I wrote how I saw some chemistry coming and I had confidence in this team. I've lost it quickly, which stinks. I just don't like when we throw wins away like they did last night. In any event, I digress, and I'll also single out LoDuca for coming up limp last night.  Moving on...

I sound like such a pessimistic Mets fan, but I can't help myself after last night...

Comments

I dont even understand why Willie didnt let Glavine pitch the 8th last night! He had only thrown 105 pitches and was looking good. I think he needs to learn that its ok for starting pitchers to go past the 7th inning! I certainly will miss Sandy alomar's defense behind the plate. Loduca just doesnt cut it behind the plate for the most part. And is it just me, or do you think Jose Reyes might need a day off?? I understand these are very important games, but the man looks tired. Having him play the way he has isnt helping anyway. Give him a day off for the day game on thursday, and i bet he will be back to his old self for friday night against atlanta!

I think you raise an interesting point... reyes is sorely needed in the lineup but a 1-2 of castillo and gotay could do for a night.

I have to agree about Mota. He is not a good pitcher without 'roids helping him along the way.

Reyes has taken more walks, and looks like a better leadoff hitter this year. But the guy could use a day off.

i would be hesistant for the gotay-castillo lineup. i understand he may be tired but this is when we need him the most. also, mota gave up the HR, yes. but felician faces one batter and allows a HR? that is horrible. mota also had a good 9th inning. and where is our offense now? 2 runs against Eaton? our pen is unreliable and will be for the rest of this season. we better hope our offense comes back and our starters can go 7-8 STRONG innings otherwise this season is over now.

The talk of our season being over now is just ridiculous. The bullpen has been somewhat inconsistent, but is NOT as bad as people are making it. Willie is not going to push guys like Glavine and El Duque to go too deep into games because he understands that we need these guys to have something left for the postseason. Willie also is not going to overuse the reliable guys in the bullpen for the same reason. What Willie understands (and a lot of the up-and-down Mets fans do not)is that the worst thing to do in a pennant race is panic. We hold a four game lead over the phils and play them twice more in this series. It's not exactly panic time.

Will wont push El Duque? Wasnt it 2 starts ago when he pitched over 130 pitches? I agree its not excatly panic time but if we lose tonight start hitting the button. Our pen has been horrible recently..not bad...horrible. Please tell me who you are comfortable with in a big game situation?

Will should be Willie in my last comment. woops

mota, definetely needs to get out and down. willie needs to learn to experiement, and let people like humber up. minaya didn't do much this year either, and if they get loduca out, they might still have a chance.

is it true that Humber might be starting this saturday? i heard that on the FAN this morning.

thank you eklypse, finally someone who has a brain.

I agree, Mota has pitched terrible as compared to last year. I'm not sure if steriods are what made him what he was last year. But more important than Mota, our entire bullpen has been pretty bad. I'm still confused as to why they got rid of Bradford, but what's done is done. We will have to work with what we have. I'm not sure why Omar and Willie put there faith in Mota game after game. Our bullpen has got to step it up alltogether if we are going to have a shot at winning the NLCS, and more important, a 3rd Championship.

Someone who has a brain? Since this Eklypse person hasnt answered my question..Metsman, please do. What reliever do you trust in a big game situation? Who are the reliable arms that Eklypse is talking about? The arm that I see overused is Mota. Is he the reliable one you are talking about?

Lets look at Eklypse discussing the post season. WHAT POST SEASON? You have to get there first before you worry about your players. If the Mets would have put the Phillies away this series and the Braves in the next (which hopefully they can) then we could have looked at resting players and arms. You dont worry about how you will perform in the post season if there is no LOCK that you will be there.

Obviously, David is the only commenter that had his Wheaties this morning.

If i had my Wheaties i could be a middle reliever. cant do much worse.

David - Eklypse was 100% correct in the fact that this glooma d doom talk that the season is over is ridiculous.
The bullpen has been He was right that the pen has not been bad all season as you and many other fans seem to think its been. In fact the stats support that fact. Until this past week the Mets pen was in the top 3 in the majors in almost every category. Even with the horrible month the pen has had it wasn't until last week that the pen dropped out of the top 5. To answer your question I have confidence in Wagner (despite his recent struggles he is still statically one of the top relievers this season. The fact is everyone will go through there ups and downs. There are still 24 pens that have lost more games then the Mets pen and 19 pens that have a lower save % then the Mets pen and 17 teams that have a higher batting average against them. I also have confidence in Heilman despite it occasional melt down (which any pitcher in the game will have) and Felciano has been very solid. And he was 100% correct in the fact that any intelligent manager is not going to overly panic because anyone with any common sense knows that if the manager panics that will been seen by his team and thus they will panic. There is much much more to managing then writing up the lineup card and in game moves. In fact 90% of being a successful manager is how you manage each individual player. Now David have you and the rest of the gloom and doomers ever learned that a 2-5 games stretch doesn't = a season. How many of you gloom and doomers have written the Mets off over the last 2 months and claim that by June 15th they would be in 3rd place and then July they would be in 3rd place oh then it was August 1st then August 15th well guess what the Mets are still in 1st place. Don't you people ever learn from history?
Oh yeah and finally have you seen how many teams since the wild card was added have actually done well after clinching early and resting their players? hmmm well the teams that have clinch early haven't had much success. For you info I have a degree in sports management and have experience in the management and the business side of sports. I have an extensive background and have conducted countless studies on many aspects of baseball.. baseball is my life its what I do. Now I can not just look at the Mets as just a big Mets fan I also have to dissect the team in a business sense, a management sense and as baseball fan in general. Obviously many of you look at the Mets with a blind eye and do not understand the game from other aspects.

David - Eklypse was 100% correct in the fact that this gloom and doom talk that the season is over is ridiculous.

He was right that the pen has not been bad all season as you and many other fans seem to think its been. In fact the stats support that fact. Until this past week the Mets pen was in the top 3 in the majors in almost every category. Even with the horrible month the pen has had it wasn't until last week that the pen dropped out of the top 5. To answer your question I have confidence in Wagner (despite his recent struggles he is still statically one of the top relievers this season. The fact is everyone will go through there ups and downs. There are still 24 pens that have lost more games then the Mets pen and 19 pens that have a lower save % then the Mets pen and 17 teams that have a higher batting average against them. I also have confidence in Heilman despite it occasional melt down (which any pitcher in the game will have) and Felciano has been very solid. And he was 100% correct in the fact that any intelligent manager is not going to overly panic because anyone with any common sense knows that if the manager panics that will been seen by his team and thus they will panic. There is much much more to managing then writing up the lineup card and in game moves. In fact 90% of being a successful manager is how you manage each individual player. Now David have you and the rest of the gloom and doomers ever learned that a 2-5 games stretch doesn't = a season. How many of you gloom and doomers have written the Mets off over the last 2 months and claim that by June 15th they would be in 3rd place and then July they would be in 3rd place oh then it was August 1st then August 15th well guess what the Mets are still in 1st place. Don't you people ever learn from history?
Oh yeah and finally have you seen how many teams since the wild card was added have actually done well after clinching early and resting their players? hmmm well the teams that have clinch early haven't had much success. For you info I have a degree in sports management and have experience in the management and the business side of sports. I have an extensive background and have conducted countless studies on many aspects of baseball.. baseball is my life its what I do. Now I can not just look at the Mets as just a big Mets fan I also have to dissect the team in a business sense, a management sense and as baseball fan in general. Obviously many of you look at the Mets with a blind eye and do not understand the game from other aspects.

Congrats on your degree. You must be very proud of yourself. Please explain how it is ridiculous for ANY fan to say that if their bullpen cannot perform then the season is over? Where does your degree come into play that would prove that statement wrong?

Let me break this down to simple terms (which I am sure you are above). Mets get a lead (HOORAY)...starter throws 7 innings shut out (HOORAY)....relievers give up the lead (boo)....Mets try to fight back but 2 innings dont seem to be enough (UH OH)...reliever gives up a HR, game over (BOOO).

If our bullpen continues to perform as they have in the last few weeks, the season is over. Need to have a lead to get to Wagner and if the guys in front of him cant give that to him then your point is not valid.

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ok smart one... That is a BIG "IF" why do you assume that when a pen is bad for about a month that it will continue that way yet if its good for a month you assume its going to get worse. "IF" does not = anything certain. Your taking last nights game and magnifying it like it has occurred over and over and over for the entire season. That is my problem with you gloom and doomers you take a 1-2 game sample and based whats going to happen on that small sample. What happened last week or what happened last night has no baring on what will happen next week or what will happen in a month. You have no concept of the big picture.

I do have a concept of the big picture. That is why I wont write about losses or wins in the early and mid season. We are about to start the last month of the season. We are in a very important series and we are losing it (the series...i understand we still have a 4 game lead but remember how good a 6 game lead felt?) If we win the next 2 games...GREAT...but based on what we have all seen, when the pen gets involved in a game, no fan will be comfortable.

WILL YOU SHUT UP.WILLIE MUST GO JUST SHUT UP.

AND NO0NE CARES WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. "IM READY TO KICK THIS GUY OUT OF TOWN" YOU CANT DO ANYTHING SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH

Really guys, really?????

"Oh yeah and finally have you seen how many teams since the wild card was added have actually done well after clinching early and resting their players? hmmm well the teams that have clinch early haven't had much success. For you info I have a degree in sports management and have experience in the management and the business side of sports. I have an extensive background and have conducted countless studies on many aspects of baseball.. baseball is my life its what I do. Now I can not just look at the Mets as just a big Mets fan I also have to dissect the team in a business sense, a management sense and as baseball fan in general. Obviously many of you look at the Mets with a blind eye and do not understand the game from other aspects." Christian

Christian take your degree and shove it.That and $2.00 will get you on the subway like anyone else. If you have this degree in sports mgmt, who do you work for and what do you do!! Buddy let me make it clear to you, in business if you are not successful you get canned. Don't tell me that a team cannot fire a GM and field MAnager at the same time. Omar has not done anything lately that has a major impact on the team and their success. In business its what have you done for me lately. I am going to Quote Tyler: WILLIE HAS TO GO!! AND TO PISS CHRISTIAN OFF EVEN MORE I AM GOING TO SAY
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yeah...fire willie and bring back howe....fire omar and bring back duquette........you guys have a clue

It's becoming very apparent that Willie doesn't have a clue. He'll never squeeze (an AL trait) and he overuses his bullpen. He hasn't any idea how to motivate these guys or kick some butt - wonder how Bobby-V would do with this talent pool?

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