Stop Trying to Fix the Mets

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Everybody wants to fix the Mets, and it seems that in doing so, we tend to forget the recent past.

When articles get written by the New York Times or ESPN’s Adam Rubin we tend to forget that the Mets were on the verge of something truly amazing in 2006.

Here’s the truth about the Mets, and it’s one of the reasons I love them yesterday, today and tomorrow. They aren’t the Yankees. They don’t have to be the Yankees to earn my loyalty, they can do gimmicky promotions and I simply do not care. Whether they wear 100 different uniforms, send an e-blast, or walk around Citi Field with banners – it doesn’t impact my passion for the team one bit.

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The people that suggest it does, I would counter with concerns that they are only happy when it rains. 

In everybody’s “fix” the knocks on ownership spending is almost certainly going to pop up. From 2001-2011, this ownership AVERAGED a payroll of more than $116 million and what did they get for it? They got ONE playoff appearance and an average of 79 wins.

Spare me this idea that they didn’t have the tools to win either, the Wilpon’s did NOTHING wrong in 2007 and 2008 in terms of giving the team it’s best chance to win.

Ignoring the fact that their personal finances were impacted thanks to Bernie Madoff is ignoring reality. But instead of recognizing that maybe re-signing an injury prone star SS to more than $100 mil while simultaneously being sued for $1 billion is unrealistic – we see others circle that moment as a refusal to spend money on the baseball team.

But if you try to say these owners refuse to spend money in order to win – you’re just plain lying. They spent a TON of money while trying to win, and it got them nothing.

By the way, in spite of our struggles at SS this year and potentially moving forward, the Mets were right about Reyes. You can stomp your feet all you want, but he had a career year and gave Miami one of his worst seasons in return, and then since joining Toronto he hasn’t been able to stay on the field.

Back to the Mets though.

Stephen Drew

Rubin suggests the Mets should spend money to make money by signing guys like Stephen Drew, or LaTroy Hawkins.

Can we get real, please?

Why should the Mets be the only team to go sign Stephen Drew to a stupid contract? Are they the ONLY team in baseball in need of a SS right now? Yet, it’s May and Drew isn’t on a team – if the Mets wanted him, they wouldn’t even need to stand in line. Yet signing him is a sign of what? A willingness to be desperate?

Hawkins was offered a closer’s job with Colorado. The Mets couldn’t offer that. It would have been nice to have him back, but he got a better offer with a team that was a better fit. It happens. So again, we’re going to ignore the reality of the situation and force the Mets to make poor financial choices just because spending other people’s money makes us feel good?

The Mets are building a young core, I’m not going to sit here and force the Wilpon’s to apologize for the fact young homegrown players don’t make as much money as overpriced past their prime free agents.

The payroll doesn’t matter, and trying to equate payroll to wins is so “steroid era.” Anybody who covers baseball will tell you that the St. Louis Cardinals are one of, if not the best run organization in the sport. They rarely if ever go through a long rebuilding phase, and yet they consistently find themselves in the playoff mix.

Yet, during the same 11 year period of 2001-2011, the Cardinals AVERAGED a payroll of just over $89 million, they averaged 90 wins and had 7 playoff appearances, with 2 World Series victories – no big deal.

So why is the common thread on fixing this team based on players getting paid when the National League blueprint franchise is proving that isn’t what matters?

This obsession with trying to be the Yankees is growing tired. From 2001-2011, which team do you think had happier owners, the Cardinals or the Yankees?

Just recently, former Mets outfielder Marlon Byrd said this about the current Mets team:

“There’s a reason they should believe they should win 90 games — or more,” Byrd said. “Then you bring in character guys like a Curtis Granderson, a Chris Young, Bartolo (Colon). And guys that can actually play. They’re good, and they help a team win. With the chemistry of the guys over there, it was all about getting better.”

But hey writers who get paid to cover the team, let’s not expand on that thought – let’s instead focus all of our attention on an e-blast that leads to “how to fix the Mets” type thoughts. Meanwhile, guys who were just here are trying to tell you things aren’t as bad as you HOPE they are.

When GM Sandy Alderson set the goal at 90 wins, you couldn’t click on a Mets related site or twitter feed without somebody mocking the thought. Yet here’s a guy who was just here last year, he says the team SHOULD win 90 games and suddenly we hear crickets from the commentary? That is, until an e-blast goes out and all of a sudden everybody who can type has to try and rip it apart in an attempt to ensure the negativity continues.

It’s common for fans to look down on ownership during tough times, but it’s funny that in 2006 I don’t remember cries for new owners in Flushing. It’s odd that in 1999 or 2000, the Wilpon’s seemed to be a good enough fit for this team. I wonder why that is?

The truth is, the Mets make odd marketing decisions sometimes (ie Shea closing ceremony, Citi Field not celebrating the franchise etc.) but that doesn’t truly impact me as a fan.

The truth is, the “little brother” mentality is influenced by the people who enjoy mocking everything the Mets do and hoping they make poor decisions (such as spending money on players nobody wants) just for the sake of making them.

I don’t care about an e-blast, I don’t get offended by e-marketing piggy backing off a silly comment made at the Granderson press conference, I don’t care what uniform they wear in an attempt to sell jerseys or what bobblehead they give away because quite frankly, casual fans like bobbleheads. Promotions are not geared toward a die-hard fan, they are geared toward the people who think voting for David Wright as the “Face of Baseball” actually means something, or to the people who need an extra incentive to purchase a ticket.

What impacts me as a fan is what happens on the field – when the team wins I’m happy, this team is playing winning baseball yet you might not even notice it if you listen to the commentary.

If it’s going to take more than winning baseball to get you to feel good about being a Mets fan, then perhaps the Mets don’t need new owners, perhaps they need new fans.

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Michael Branda grew up a Mets fan watching the mid 1980's teams and his favorite Met of all-time is (and was) Wally Backman. When it comes to sabermetrics versus old school thinking, he's in the middle and believes adopting new ways to get answers is helpful, especially when the old way has not produced results.
  • MyasDaddy

    I stopped reading after you were given excuses for the Wilpons. They are the real evil here. Yes they spent money in the past…but the Wilpons have worsened the brand when they ultimately took over majority ownership. That is a fact!

  • Waz0787

    I stopped reading when I saw the person who wrote the article. Another wilpons and sandy lover trying to force their view on mets fan. Booooooooooo

  • Guest

    Wilpons killed everything. they should be run out with Sterling

  • Michael Mayer

    Great read, refreshing take from a Mets fan. Hard to find that anywhere on twitter or many Mets blogs

  • BadBadLeroyBrown
  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Exactly…

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    You’re a solid fan, Mr. Branda, but I’d suggest you have a higher tolerance for being lied to than most of us.

    I agree, there’s a certain mentality that wants to plug in any expensive spare part that pops up simply because “We’re not Kansas City!” But you can disagree with that and still see that this is one seriously dysfunctional organization.

    And that’s what drives a lot of us crazy. We see what this could be. Then we open our eyes and see what it is.

  • MyasDaddy

    The president state of the Union address.

  • I completely appreciate your right to have an opinion but you don’t have the right to define what a true fan is. If I mock the team or get frustrated with ownership, FO, and manager I’m not a true fan? Sticking with the team for over 40 years doesn’t count for anything or give me the right to complain? I should not have expectations which, if not reached, represent a failure on the part of the organization? I should just shut up and cheer or move on? Please.

  • Buster

    Please don’t confuse frustration for lack of passion.

  • That picture is haunting.

  • Waz0787

    He is a delusional fan. How dare he call others who are critical of this laughing stock organization. He claims backman was his favorite player. Let me guess Art Howe was his favorite manager? Just ruined my mood smh. Let him know

  • Charley’s Twin

    Mr. Branda, this is your second screed about how much you dislike Met fans in a week. You should apply for a job with the Mets marketing department. You’d fit right in.

    And for crying out loud, find someone to proofread before you submit.

  • Well well well – an un-hysterical and reasoned post. Right here on the internets. Thanks for being the exception to the rule. Well said.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Thank you, thank you. God bless you all. And God bless the New York Metropolitans.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Jessep, I appreciate and admire your viewpoint. Refreshingly different, and encourages me to reconsider certain dogwhistles that set us off as fans. I envy your emotionally healthy outlook that focuses on the wins and losses.

    However, there seems to be lots of strawmen and some misleading data points here. The frustration is not about one symptom (spending); it is an entire syndrome that continually ravages the franchise.

    The symptoms include owners who care little for the fanbase; owners who appear to be seriously financially impaired; a FO that makes tons of declarative statements that turn out to be empty PR; a ballpark experience that is considered overpriced for the value; glaring holes on the ML roster; chronically humiliating marketing and PR campaigns (Cougar Life? Really?) that further damage the brand…I could list 20 more.

    When fans express frustration, I believe it stems from the syndrome that we’ve been experiencing since 2009, not simply a refusal to spend on Jose Reyes or Stephen Drew–that’s an oversimplification.

    You’re welcome to tune out all of this if you like. But to suggest that those who don’t should be replaced as fans is nonsensical and comes across across as more than a bit arrogant. This article make you seem to be as emotionally tone-deaf as the Wilpons.

  • billpulsipher

    find it bizarre that “loyal fans” and the organization themselves are “calling out” the fans who are pissed off at the franchise….with all the garbage that has gone on with this team the past 5 years, they are lucky they have any fans left. Without a doubt one of the worst run franchises with the worst owners (outside of sterling and jeffrey loria) in sports. If the yankees or red sox pulled what the wilpons have pulled the past 5 years, their fans would have boycotted….if the mets wanna be taken seriously, add 75 million in payroll, otherwise keep operating your little small market team in oblivion with 5-10,000 in the stands every night, and the only “fans” you will have left are the masochists who cant be pushed away wearing their lucas duda jerseys

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    “It’s common for fans to look down on ownership during tough times, but
    it’s funny that in 2006 I don’t remember cries for new owners in
    Flushing. It’s odd that in 1999 or 2000, the Wilpon’s seemed to be a
    good enough fit for this team. I wonder why that is?”

    If your eyes haven’t been opened by what’s gone down since 2006, see your doc. Somebody Krazy Glue’d your baby blues about 8 years ago.

  • Guest

    um check the stands in 1997 and the first 2 months in 1998 when the stadium was empty. MIKE PIAZZA CHANGED EVERYTHING. courtesy of nelson doubleday….i guess you forgot the boycott that was going to happen courtesy of mike and the mad dog if the mets didnt get Piazza (when your precious wilpons wanted NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM) There would have been NO 1999-2000 if fred made the calls

  • MyasDaddy

    I’m a troll because I disagree with the way this franchise is run?

  • fedupfan13

    He just was quoting the article….that’s not his opinion he was contradicting it

  • billpulsipher

    i claim Jeff wilpon wrote this

  • fedupfan13

    Fred you’re to old to act like this

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I’ll see your love of all thats Wilpon and raise you THIS!!!!

    NY METS WIN-LOSE record since 2009-present

    2009 = 70W-92L
    2010: 79W-83L
    2011: 77W-85L
    2012: 74W-88L
    2013: 74W-88L
    2014: ??W-??L

    Yep those records tell me nothing needs to change everything is fine folks. Go back in the burning buildings. Everything is under control

    Ive heard of, “If it AINT broke, dont fix it”

    But never have I heard of, “If it IS broke, dont fix it”

    I just love when other Mets fan question other Mets fans fandom….As if a NON Fan would continuously waste their time complaining about a team they dont give a rats a** about. Always the pompous self righteous dolts of the fanbase waving this flag as if their way is THE BEST WAY.

  • billpulsipher

    you left out the part where the only team to have a worse record than the Mets the past 5 years is the big bad Houston Astros, who dont even qualify as a MLB team…..you also left out the Mets having one of the lowest payrolls in the sport, even though they are one of the most valuable franchises in prof sports….stop drinking the fred and jeff Kool-Aid, you sound ridiculous and nobody is buying it anymore

  • RyanF55

    Don’t defend these owners. It’s their fault they entered into illegal financial dealings that has since crippled their ability to field a respectable payroll, and thus, a competitive team. Not the fans. Not you or me. The Wilpons are at complete fault here. Anything suggested otherwise is ludicrous. When they spent, they had no baseball sense to put the right people in place to get the job done. They have no baseball sense, no pulse of the fans, nothing. The blame falls squarely on their feeble shoulders.

  • Exactly. It must be nice to have such a simplistic view of the world. I will root for the team. I will go to their games. I will give my money to the organization. They can do whatever they want with my money because I LOVE THEM!

  • RyanF55

    Totally agree. I thought this article was going to finish with “…just kidding!”

  • Scottymike

    Well done

  • fedupfan13

    This ownership wants to live In the past. A past that really wasn’t that good to begin with but I’ll leave that for another day. Fans like the author also seem to want this ownership to have no accountability. I don’t understand why fans take umbrage with a team being criticized as if it’s an attack on themselves. Also Mets payroll since 2000 avgs about 100m. Over that same span Mets are amongst highest FCI. Wilpons equity has also skyrocketed …they are not victims the fans are

  • billpulsipher

    i honestly think jeff wilpon has minions writing articles like this and that idiotic letter from early this week

  • TPT

    NICE

  • LIKayLGM

    You stopped ready, but felt the need to reply. Yeah, how dare anyone have a different opinion than you, and those people definitely deserve be be called “lovers. Is this still America?

  • Novito

    While i agree to disagree about the wilpons and majority of the article, they did spend (when they had invincible $) but they did take this franchises credibility all the way down. To a laughing stock. Wilpons gotta go!
    Good article tho, & show the “other” side of things. But still, as a “Loyal” Met fan, i may have to blow this picture up and use it as a dartboard!!!

  • RyanF55

    I respect your opinions, but find it borderline offensive that you determine what a “loyal” fan is. I hate the Wilpons but that makes me no less a fan than anyone. I’m in Denver to see this team as I type this, spending about $1000 to do so. We have every right to be frustrated with ownership as they continue to disappoint us on and off the field. The negative comments on here are justified and warranted, and yes, they’re still loyal fans.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Hey @pedros_rooster:disqus

    Youre definitely not a real Mets fan….Im going to need you to hand over your laminated Mets fan badge on your way out the door.

  • Your criticism of the Sandy Haters is well deserved. They don’t so much love the Mets as much as they enjoy the attention they receive for criticizing them. Sort of like Mike Pumas without the paychecks. However, there are fans who can appreciate what the baseball people are trying to accomplish while thinking ownership and PR are a clique of classless clods who have brought continuous embarrassment to the franchise over the years. No, they don’t have to spend $200mm to win but they must spend to fill needs. Their unending gimmicks and attempts to drum up support while not investing in quality players to serve as stop gaps for the brighter tomorrow is why they deserve scorn.

  • skyking26

    Rubin is right about spending money to make money. You need to when your in a big market. The problem is ownership only treated this team like a big market team when they were playing with Madoff money. Would I sign Drew? Hell No!!

  • Think about life outside of sports. Imagine showing decades of brand loyalty despite displeasure, despite poor management, despite the brand doing everything to push you away. Imagine the mismanaged and failing company thanking you for sticking with them by telling you to spend more so that they can do a better job. All the while, you stick with the brand as it is part of the fabric of your being. For better or for worse. Now imagine, the other patrons (many of whom have not spent nearly as much time or money on the product as you have) start to criticize you for speaking your mind about this brand that you continue to patronize. You grin and bear it, you move on, you stick to the brand because it’s much larger than crappy management and judgmental (though naively ignorant) fellow patrons that you encounter through the years. That is the life of a true, diehard, longstanding Met fan.

  • Bill Buckner

    I stopped reading when I got to Hawkins but two things –

    1. I (and many Mets fans) were not upset that they didn’t resign Reyes. I (and many Mets fans) were upset that they didn’t trade him that year rather than letting him walk away for nothing. It’s not like they had no idea at the beginning of that year that he would command a $100 million contract on the open market.

    2. Hawkins is on record as saying he preferred to come back to NY in a non-closer situation. He’s also on record saying that he doesn’t particularly like closing. He is in Colorado rather than Queens because the Rockies offered him $2.5 million and the Mets offered him $0. His not being a Met right now is based 100% on the fact that the FO chose not to offer him any contract at all.

  • Waz0787

    Hey joe. Thanks for bringing back the down vote. I will get that a lot from delusional fans like a Manhattan mets fan.

  • Frank Francisco

    There’s one problem that this article fails to mention: 2006 is no longer “recent past” it was 8 years ago. How can you realistically claim that a fanbase is wrong for being upset with ownership for not fielding a competitive, successful team for nearly a decade….?

  • I hear you. I complain and b!tch and moan but I’ve also seen them in various stadiums from coast to coast and will be seeing them in crappy Atlanta next month. I hope the new fan base that takes over for us is willing to spend like this as well.

  • Taskmaster4450

    The ownership group did spend plenty of money….on trying to win now. They gave Omar a big checkbook for major league talent, much of it over the hill while shortchanging him on the draft and IFA markets. Because of Fred’s cozy relationship with Bud, is it any surprise the Mets didnt go over slot to sign draft picks. Hence Omar was forced to draft guys based upon signability as opposed to the best choices. Also, consider that in 2011 (I believe), Alderson gave the largest signing bonus to a kid in the IFA market (Rosario). Dont you think Omar, with his scouting background, knew of some talent in that part of the world that he could sign for $2M? Of course, The only problem is he didnt have $2M to spend there but could drop $15M on a guy like Alou.

    It is funny you mention the Cardinals because they made the decision in 2004 to invest heavily (more heavily) in their player development. Did they know something? The Mets started this process in 2011 when Alderson entered the picture with the full backing of Selig to change how the Mets operated. Funny how the Mets were 7 years behind times. If you want to look at why the Mets are so bad, consider all the guys who are now producing in the majors who were available for the Mets but Omar had to by pass because of money.

    Funny, Omar had almost unlimited money to spend on the major league team (until it came time to pony up for a stud like Holliday and then Wilpons went cheap…leaving Mets with Bay) but nothing for developing players. Alderson has been able to spend there but no money for the major league squad.

    So yes Jessep, winning cures a lot but do not believe for a second that Met fans arent upset with the Wilpons and havent been for a couple decades.

  • fedupfan13

    This is like an abused spouse telling all of their friends not to criticize the abuser.

  • Waz0787

    I agree with you. There are some people here who are being paid by wilpons to promote their nonsense.

  • But you can keep your Mets boxers. Please.

  • Lotus1209

    There was no way they were going to trade Reyes that year amidst a battling title season considerin the heartbreak they have gone through. None. Zilch. With the Wilpons just having gone through the Madoff trial they could not have survived the public outbreak it would have caused if they traded Reyes instead of trying to sign him.

    Remember, we’re the rational fans, but also the minority. The average fan could not careless about prospects or anything of the sort. If a star leaves, to them, it means they are cheap an stupid regardless of what happens.

  • jessepmmo

    hey Bill – You’ve seen Beltran, Byrd, Dickey and others get traded. If you were using hindsight based on that evidence, do you think there is a chance they didn’t trade him because they actually thought they would extend him?

    I’m with you, if they knew there was no way they’d sign him, then they should have traded him. But when I look at how they handled everybody else, I wonder if that was the case.

  • with a crayon.

  • Waz0787

    Booo

  • Taskmaster4450

    Jeff can write?

  • TPT

    i didnt see one word in your article about how the beloved Wilpons continually deceived and lied to their fans also you do a lot of writing but not a lot of reading and research for if you did you’d seen the quote…”my family and i enjoyed n.y we wanted one more summer there” Latroy Hawkins and never did he say he wanted the closers role …so get the facts straight you lose all credibility when you write b.s.

  • since68

    I believe the problems with ownership is NOT the spending, it’s the medaling.
    Wilpon forcing Duke’s hand in the Kazmir trade.
    Wilpon family scout bringing in Matsui.
    Wilpon undermining Minaya with Bernazard.
    Wilpon bashing Wright.
    Wilpon announces no Abreu because we have too many 1st basemen.

    I wonder how many of the bad free agent signing were Wilpon requests.

    And I currently believe that TC is still here at the behest of the Wilpons to maintain influence.

  • Bill Buckner

    I think there is no chance they thought they’d extend him as of Spring Training that year. They only held onto him because they were afraid of the backlash from fans for trading a popular homegrown Met who was in his prime. Beltran Byrd and Dickey were much easier to trade from a PR standpoint.

    They didn’t even extend him an offer.

  • fedupfan13

    Or some people are just crazed fans who lose their sense of reality because they become obsessed with the team they root for. Or theyre Wilpon minions..

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Alex68 (Ch) is LAUGHING HIS A** OFF at this post

    This post will go down in MMO lure along with the great “URINALS AT CITI FIELD” post.

    What a riveting life changing piece that was from this same author(Michael J.Branda)

    If you havent read the piece you should, it changed my life.
    http://metsmerizedonline.com/2010/07/what-citi-field-really-needs.html/

    Wait does this urinal piece prove Jessep(Michael j. Branda) the author of this piece as well as NOT A REAL METS FAN since he is complaining about the Wilpons and URINAL BARRIERS at Citi Field??? o_O

  • Chrisshea

    I’d be the first one screaming, yes screaming, if the Mets signed Cano to that 10 yr deal. The thought of these 8-10 yr deals scare me. The Wright deal scares me.

    However, the first thing a playoff team needs is a good starting rotation. The Mets have that. The next thing is rotation depth. The mets have that. Now, you need decent defense and some offense. The Mets have the defense.

    They don’t have the offense. They do have a payroll in a huge market that should allow them to easily upgrade any position where there’s a player available to them to do that.

    They haven’t done what’s necessary to give this team it’s best chance while also looking towards the future.

    Drew isn’t a player that wood make a huge impact, but he’s certainly an upgrade over what they have. My guess, he’ll end up signing a two year deal for 18 million. Which is certainly not a contract that handcuffs a team.

    Here’s the problem, the Wilpons simply can’t afford to add any more payroll. That’s a huge problem and wasted is the year for these pitchers. Who’s price will never again be this low. So, if they can’t add more now, how will they ever? See?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Dont forget the reason why the Mets AAA team is in Nevada is because of…..Jeffy.

  • Yeah, the people who will down vote your nonsense is a very exclusive club indeed

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Whats lame is you going up and down this thread trolling for responses. Read your posts thats lame

  • Novito

    VIP pass lol

  • skyking26
  • Bill Buckner

    I get their concern about the public outcry for trading him, but they didn’t even make a lowball offer after the season ended. That’s just plain stupid. Anyone with half a brain knows that trading him was common sense if you knew you weren’t even going to make an offer to extend him. If this were a properly run organization, you trade him for what you can get during ST and specifically site his pending free agency and the fact that the two sides were far apart on contract negotiations.

  • Taskmaster4450

    They were competitive in 2007 and 2008 so it is really only half a decade.

    But we get your point.

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    Oh stop. Like that clown would even bother to read past the byline.
    You guys are a joke.
    lets try this. Do an FJM style response and let us all know which statements are wrong and how.
    Waiting. .. waiting. . . waiting..
    You’re a fool.

  • Novito

    Agreed. Reason why Mets never even offered him a contract.

  • guest

    Like I said in another thread, my new friend Leroy, if the season ended May 1 every year, the Mets would be champs and we would be worshiping the grand puppet master, SA, like the rest of the Kool-aid drinkers who drop to their knees after one good month. Hello? Anybody there, Kool-aid drinkers?????

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Hey, Ryan – last night the cam showed a big guy, late 20’s – 30ish, standing by himself in late innings in a Mets jersey, looking fairly disgusted. That you, by any chance?

  • saturn

    Unreal. The Cardinals had an average of 89 million and they went to the playoffs for many years so we should not complain that the mets have a low payroll…BIG difference is the cardinals did not have a bunch of scrubs and has beens in their lineup. They spent their “average” of 89 million wisely. The Mets could not be bothered.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    O_o Huh!?!? English please

    http://www.rcowen.com/images/I%20learn%20to%20Read…TalkLrg.jpg

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    I don’t know if it was Omar or the Wilpons’ call, but I believe the FO failed this team in 2007 and 2008 because after Duaner went down, they badly needed a set-up man but never got one. They also refused to resign the stellar bullpen pieces from 2006 such as Oliver and Bradford.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    And another thing, the St. Louis market does not even compare to the NY market. The Mets SHOULD spend more money than the Cards every single year if for no other reason than because they make so much more friggin money than the Cards could ever dream of.

  • CJM

    In ’06 they believed Heilman could fill the role suitably, and he did a decent job until the Yadier Molina home run. A big problem with all those teams was a lack of any significant depth so they couldn’t fill any injury holes. They make the playoffs in ’08 had Wagner not gotten injured, or if they had literally anyone who could convert saves. No use dwelling on it though, because the team was in a completely different situation financially.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    If you’re wondering what he’s looking at on his phone . . .

  • guest

    You seem to be the sage one in this group. Question. You use the word funny a lot in your posts? Should I start laughing yet? BTW, old sage one, and this my be funny to you, but I remember that OM drafted Harvey, Gee, Niese, Murphy and signed a lot of the young pitching that you and your fellow kool-aid drinkers think your masterful leader, the almighty SA, should get credit for. So, let me get your ‘funny’ logic straight. Instead of winning baseball games, we should change fans? A new fan base? Well, sign me up, old sage one.

  • Nice article.
    Don’t agree with all of it but the premise remains.

  • CJM

    No the big difference is that the Cardinals spent years and years manicuring one of the best farm systems in the game’s history so they were able to replace pieces from within constantly. They lost one of the greatest players in the game’s history and didn’t miss a beat. That is because their farm system is consistently the best in the game. The one thing nobody can logically argue against is that Alderson came in and built a good farm system–one that will hopefully be able to keep the team relevant with smaller payrolls going forward.

  • MetsFanSantaMonica

    Amen brother. A…effin…men.

  • Hodges14

    It’s all part of #theplan. It’s counter intuitive but years of losing is a good thing according to #theplan.

  • Big Daddy D

    “But instead of recognizing that maybe re-signing an injury prone star SS to more than $100 mil while simultaneously being sued for $1 billion is unrealistic – we see others circle that moment as a refusal to spend money on the baseball team.”
    BRAVO, RIGHT ON THE MONEY

  • Waz0787

    You love talking big when the mets are winning. When they lose you vanish. A real mets fan here.

  • CJM

    Why did they re-sign Wright to the biggest contract in team history when they are still in a bad place financially?

  • skyking26

    Hmmm, Fix the Mets…
    Bring in the fences to Shea Stadium dimensions.
    Add extra seating.
    Lower the price on tickets.
    Increase Payroll.
    Bring in someone to handle baseball operations and make Wilpon’s silent owners.
    Fire Terry Collins. Hudgens and Sandy Alderson.
    Promote Backman and Greer to the major league.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Because Jeffy wanted his ambassador….it is that simple.

  • Zalmen

    Great post
    I’m done with all the unrealistic pessimism and unintelligent negativity of this fan base

  • Taskmaster4450

    Actually the Mets have been bleeding cash while the Cards, I presume, are profitable.

  • Not4

    Great article Michael! Thanks!

  • Big Daddy D

    Because DW wasn’t some injury proned, self imposed jackass.

  • Waz0787

    Another one. Who loves our owner with blind eyes.

  • Hodges14

    National TV money increase.

  • dnotch

    and golfing buddy

  • Taskmaster4450

    Those calls would be an Omar call….you werent talking about much money. The Wilpon calls were shortchanging Omar so he couldnt get Holiday and their unwillingness to take on Manny’s contract when they could have had them (according to reports).

  • CJM

    He only played 102 games in 2011, he was getting up there in years, and they signed him to a contract that will not possibly be worth it by the time he’s 38.

  • And there’s a good reason why neither of these shots include the waist down. This is a family site.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Eh, Heilman was never considered a successor for the set-up role, he was just the best guy for the job after Duaner went down. I was calling him Homerun Heilman before the playoffs even started, so I’m pretty sure he was blowing up during the season.

  • SRT

    ‘They have no baseball sense, no pulse of the fans, nothing.’
    This ^

    ‘All the Dodger stuff—that was an error of judgment on my part,’ Wilpon told me’
    (Jeffrey Toobin wrote in The New Yorker)

  • Hodges14

    Hey management stopped trying 4 years ago so maybe he’s on to something.

  • Taskmaster4450

    The Cards made the commitment to the development of players in 2004. The Mets in 2011. That is the difference.

    Look at their lineup and see when they were drafted…most of them could have been had by the Mets but Omar didnt have the cash because the Wilpons never cared about the farm or future talent. It is always now with them.

  • guest

    Take a deep breath. Slow down. We get it. You love Sandy. We are wrong. The Mets win in April. Get it. Stop the season. Crack out the champagne.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Maybe, we’ll never know. I wanted Holliday over Bay personally, and thought he was worth the extra years and money, but I never expected Bay to be such a disappointment.

  • Hodges14

    Puzzling at the least.

  • goorru

    So you’re on board with instead of bashing the Wilpon’s he’s bashing the fans.

  • Hodges14

    You mean there’s no trophy for coming in 2nd place in April?

  • jessepmmo

    you know skyking – I was thinking about the fences recently. If our team is to be built on pitching & defense, shouldn’t the park NOT be built to enhance that? shouldn’t their talents be enough and the park be built to help the WEAKNESS of the team?

  • guest

    You know what they say about presuming, old sage one. And slight correction. The Mets don’t bleed cash. They use / divert the revenue to pays bills that have nothing to do with the baseball team. And that leaves the Mets and their fans bleeding. Big difference. Anyways, post me back. Love to hear from you.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I think Met fans are as loyal as any fan base in sports. We stick by our team through a lot of losing seasons and management problems.

  • goorru

    I agree the Mets need new fans, let’s start with Michael Branda. We need fans that strive to be the best and don’t accept failure.

  • QueensRussell

    It’s “lore” BBLB, not “lure,” lore as in folklore, not lure as in fishing lure.

    Please we have standards to maintain on MMO.

  • Taskmaster4450

    What is funny is that someone with such limited intelligence is allowed to walk the streets freely.

    Are you serious with the crap you wrote. I am sorry you cannot comprehend what is written and instantly jump to that as an attack on Omar but it wasnt. Of course, you are conditioned to attack Alderson showing how much of a mental midget you really are.

    And I dont know if I am a sage one but when it comes to comparing to you, it is most likely true.

    One other thing, gets some kahunas and put a user name on your posts instead of being a mary and hiding behind guest.

  • Waz0787

    Amen. This dude must have been on mars for last 7 years. Mets are a laughing stocks

  • SCarton12

    They failed in July 2006 because they didn’t spend the money and trade for a quality starter, end of story.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Matt Cerrone is everywhere, it is all around us, even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    I hate when people make arguments against resigning Jose Reyes. He and Wright would have gone down as the greatest two position players in franchise history for a team that has only 1 career franchise player. He’s an All-Star, won a batting title, he’s a gold glover, lead-off man, 5 tool player, et. etc. etc. And we’ve been trying to replace him ever since he left!!! Yes, I know he’s hurt, but I would take 100-130 games per year of Reyes batting lead off and manning SS over any of the other guys they’ve plugged into those spots over the last few years.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Ah a blanket accusation.

    I am sure you have proof of the cash diversion. Please post links so we can follow along learn what you know about the Wlpon racket.

    By the way, I am sure the IRS would also be interested in the diversion of funds since that would mean commingling of assets across different corporation which is a tad illegal.

    So I await you backing up of what you wrote.

  • guest

    Right, old sage one. Like it takes balls to post under the name taskmaster4450. You bring hypocrite to a whole new level. You are bright enough to see how absolutely fatuous your post to me is? So, Mary, we’ll continue this conversation when you have the balls to post under your real name. And I’m guessing you think you’re a tough guy, with the fake name taskmaster. Old sage one, you are truly an idiot.

  • QueensRussell

    Michael, not bad at all. I don’t agree with it line-by-line, but I like your tone. Still, we are going to have to check in week in and week out.

    Overall, I like how we are playing, and I like to think there is some real MiLB depth for our Metsies, but no verdicts are in.

    Overall, I am impressed that I do not do much second-guessing about those whom we have traded or let go.

    LaTroy Hawkins–WTH!

  • Mike,

    While I agree with some of your points, I still take issue with many of them.

    To begin, it is true the Wilpons did spend during the majority of the 2000s, what we didn’t learn until 2009 was that they were earning in upwards of 10-15% more than the National average on their investments and that those earnings turned out to be mostly fraudulent and non-existent.

    They used much of their non-existent collateral to fund loans to build a new network and a new stadium. A stadium, mind you, that hardly reflected any of the history of our team and it’s grandest feature was a tribute to a great player who never wore the Mets uniform.

    If it wasn’t for FAN outrage, there wouldn not have been a Mets museum, iconic artistry of great Mets moments, blue walls, Shea tributes, a year or two later. That’s unforgivable.

    Additionally, there have been countless lies about their financial state having no effect on team operations, payroll increasing, no spending caps, etc.

    The Wilpons have earned every bit of the disdain they get from fans.

    I also don’t feel sorry for the Mets for being mocked at for some of the ridiculous decisions they have made. Most of that was created by themselves. They can’t seem to get out of their own way.

    I understand those things don’t impact you as a fan, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t impact the vast majority of fans which it apparently does.

    As for the 90 wins, that was another thing the Mets take the heat for because it was they themselves who leaked it. And come on, don’t tell me you believe it was unintentional. And rather than making it go away, this unintentional leak is brought up by Sandy in nearly every single press briefing he’s done this season so far. That makes it fair game in my opinion.

    I side with those who do believe this team is being held hostage by an inept ownership whose dysfunctional decisions have led to a low point in this franchise’s history.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    That’s a very good point. They were lucky to get what they did from Maine and Ollie.

  • CJM

    You can make a perfectly logical argument against signing Reyes. The problem comes when people support both letting Reyes walk AND extending Wright. Those two decisions combined don’t make sense.

  • HillsideAve

    Spot on, my friend.

  • QueensRussell

    “Medaling”? As in Bronze, Silver, and Gold?

    Literacy people, please!!!

  • TPT

    ONCE UPON A TIME BASEBALL WAS FUN..ONCE UPON A TIME SHEA DREW 3.5 MILLION AND SHEA ROCKED LITERALLY ROCKED..ONCE UPON A TIME WE SCREAMED WITH DELIGHT OVER PIAZZA AND DELGADO AND REYES, ONCE UPON A TIME INVESTING MONEY IN THE TEAM MADE MONEY FOR THE OWNERS AND PART OF THAT MONEY WAS REINVESTED IN THE TEAM, ONCE UPON A TIME THE METS WERE HATED BECAUSE THEY HAD STARS THEY HAD MONEY AND THEY WERE THE BAD A** TEAM FROM THE BAD A** CITY..AS A FAN …THOSE WERE THE GOOD DAYS NOT THE BAD DAYS AND THAT’S WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT. “THE FANS’. ITS ALL FINE AND GOOD THAT NOW WERE BECOMING A TEAM THAT LOOKS UP TO THE CARDINALS AS A MODEL FRANCHISE AND NOW ITS ALL ABOUT PROSPECTS AND HAVING ONE OF THE LOWEST PAYROLLS IN BASEBALL AND THE REASON WE DEVELOPED THIS NEW APPROACH IS SIMPLE…WHEN YOUR BROKE YOU HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT AS LONG AS THE WILPONS OWN THIS TEAM THERE WILL NEVER BE THE FANATICISM LIKE WE ONCE HAD..AND CITI WILL NEVER ROCK LIKE SHEA DID…. I MISS THOSE DAYS I REALLY DO

  • SCarton12

    What is medaling?

  • guest

    Next they’re going to hang up April championship banners. Sports Illustrated is going to run a story of how brilliant SA is in April. They are calling him the April Genius.

  • MetsFanSantaMonica

    You miss the point. It has nothing to do with the owners. I honestly have no feelings about them whatsoever. But you cant deny that they spent money and it got them nowhere. I want the best team out there possible like anybody else. But mostly, i just want to see good fundamental baseball played consistently and feel confident thatvthe team will be competitive for years to come. And that’s what im getting so far this season while many are finding it hard to enjoy the game amd the team because of their pure hatred for the owners.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I dont think anyone foresaw such a drop off in Bay even those one who didnt want him signed.

    Holiday obviously was the better player hence why he got a much better contract. This is just another example of the Wilpons going cheap at the wrong time (much like they tried to do with Piazza a decade + before that).

  • igotyourbackman

    Meddling.

  • Hotstreak

    Stop trying to dicredit Omar. You can say a million times you were a Omar supporter but everything you write is to the contrary. Look at Omar’s guys which I and others enumerated today and won’t repeat. What SA acquistion or resigning has helped the 2014 team. Zilch so far.

  • QueensRussell

    You will never again get 100-130 quality games from him. The Reyes hype is pure fantasy. Enough already!

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Or you can argue that they spent money and it got them to game 7 of the NLCS.

  • guest

    The loans they owe go back to building Citi and that debt structure, old sage one. They have two loans of $250 million. You know this isn’t from operating losses, right? For being so sage, you really are quite stupid.

  • Hodges14

    You forgot to add in that in addition to the stadium and tv network that were funded with illegally gotten gains they probably could not have purchased the franchise away from Nelson Doubleday without that same illegal money.

  • Ed Charles

    How does someone even get to write a post like this? The difference between spending and not spending isn’t the number. It’s showing your fans that you’re committed to winning — always. As a fan, that’s what I want from the players, from the FO, and from the owners. We haven’t gotten that from the FO, the Manager or the Owner in 5 years, You compare the Cardinals organization to the Mets? Yikes. The Cardinals — even the A’s — have never given their fans the feeling they weren’t committed to winning. (Nor do they charge New York prices in their ball park, while spending Missouri-like money.) This front office and others in Mets history (and by the way here’s a big hint: Met history didn’t begin in the 1980’s) HAVE shown they don’t always prioritize winning. The Cardinals never would have been so short-sighted as to LOSE their AAA farm site and end up in a crap hole like Vegas — especially when you’re big club is on the East Coast and your franchise prioritizes pitching. And that’s just one simple example of this regime’s gross mismanagement. There are so many foolish and naive comments in this post that it’s ridiculous and not a serious attempt to engage in a discussion. Next time just spare us a twelve year old’s view. We get it. You’re a “Number One Fan.” The Mets make “odd” marketing decisions, and “I don’t care?” How about their medical decisions. How about their communication skills? It’s called running a professional franchise. You know what I don’t care about? Silly posts like this.

  • QueensRussell

    Hey, ain’t that da guy on da Braves?

  • kw_all

    i could not have said this better.
    thanks.

  • guest

    Here, here!!!!!

  • CJM

    D’Arnaud has helped so far.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    C’mon now, he played 160 games in 2012. That was only 1.5 years ago!

  • Hodges14

    If they didn’t want to build around them then they both should have been traded to accelerate the rebuild, and not with single A players but with near major league ready players.

  • QueensRussell

    A. It’s 2014
    B. We’ll see.

  • MetsFanSantaMonica

    Sure. Once. Isn t the hope to get there consistently? You need depth, flexibility, and youth to do that.

  • guest

    Yes. His big blast and three RBI really came at a critical time. Big help. Huge help. Couldn’t have lost without him last night.

  • jessepmmo

    Joe: This is why MMO is the best site out there, because we can 100% disagree but you still let me post.

    Let me ask a question: Endy makes the catch, Beltran walk off HR, Mets beat the Tigers – do we need new owners?

  • CJM

    How many games a year do you expect to get from Wright moving forward? He’s had back and hamstring problems. Those generally become recurring issues.

  • Hodges14

    Well didn’t George Steinbrenner name Dave Winfield “Mr May” as opposed to Reggie’s “Mr October”?

  • CJM

    Since his 0-15 start he’s posted a ~.770 OPS, which is one of the best on the team over that period.

  • Hodges14

    That’s sad… on multiple levels.

  • guest

    PERFECT analogy. We’re the April Champions of baseball. Finally something to crow about, all you kool-aid drinkers.

  • CJM

    Not that sad. If every player duplicated that production, the Mets would be unstoppable. The team’s two biggest problems this year have been Granderson and Wright. And fwiw, Murphy’s been well below his career line as well.

  • Hodges14

    The Wilpons have operated this team after the Madoff bust in very similar fashion to the way that M Donald Grant operated the team in the late 1970s. The only way to fix the problem then was new ownership and management. History is repeating itself.

  • QueensRussell

    Perhaps, but I still see Wright being of greater value to the Mets than Reyes will be to anybody. We can keep jawing, but I move we revisit this in two-three years. God willing, I surely will be around at that time to claim truth or man up to my mistake 🙂

  • Waz0787

    Second best on a team majority hitters are hitting below .200? No comment bro

  • guest

    So batting .210, with 2 home runs, and 7 RBI after a full month is good now? Gees, I am so confused.

  • CJM

    The point is, Reyes could’ve been re-signed if the team were in a financial position to do it. If they weren’t, fine. However, they are still in a terrible financial position but overpaid Wright who will not be worth his contract. I love Wright, but with the team’s current financial scenario, if they wanted to go all in with Sandy’s vision, they probably should’ve traded Wright for a boatload of prospects.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    No one is disagreeing with you about depth and youth but that fact of the matter is the Mets went on a spending bonanza in those years bringing in superstars like Pedro, Beltran and Delgado and that’s the reason they made it to the playoffs. We desperately needed a clean-up man this off-season and we got Granderson. We had a lead-off hitter in Pagan after Reyes left, but they didn’t want to pay him so they jettisoned him off for basically nothing. We got rid of Frankie for a guy they DFA’d a month later and never signed a closer to replace him. Sure you need youth and depth, but you also need proven players who can get the job done. The owners, however, refuse to pay for them.

  • TPT

    TDA is doing just fine with all the crap hes gotten and having Tejada bat behind him? hes gonna be a good one

  • guest

    In a week there will only be a few guys hitting ABOVE .200. Doesn’t take much to lead this team in OPS.

  • CJM

    Since his 0-15 start he has a .770 OPS. A .770 OPS is good, especially from a catcher.

  • QueensRussell

    Fair enough. I loved Reyes, too, and I hardly wish him ill.

  • “Talking big” to you presumably means asserting that it is ridiculous to declare a game over when you’re down a few runs in the early innings? Yeah, I’m a total trash talker that way. I don’t “disappear” when they’re losing. If it winds up turnin into a bad game and I have other things I could be doing like having a drink with the wife and then heading to bed like last night, there’s a good chance I’ll stop watching and hit the hay early. I do have other aspects to my life outside of the Mets and CERTAINLY beyond spending my time explaining to you why you’re a moron on MMO

  • guest

    Its excellent. Can I vote for him to make the All-Star team yet? Notice this Rosario guy last night. Catcher. Same age. 25. Already 49 home runs in two seasons. Is that as good as a .770 OPS?

  • CJM

    Actually in 2012 and 2013 he had .800+ OPSs, so yes.

  • QueensRussell

    God, I hope you’re right!

  • goorru

    His last statement implies that if you’re still critical after being 4 games over .500 in April, you shouldn’t be a fan, that’s asinine.

  • metsman

    Oh god with this again. They have practically identical numbers, stop blaming Tejada for Darnit, he has his own issues.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Awesome question, sir!

    My answer is no, which of course is a terrible answer. But a championship would’ve caused us to write the narrative very differently.

    Instead of being the most awful owners ever, we’d have ’06 to rally around, and maybe be mildly annoyed that things have gotten screwy since.

    By the way, sorry for getting carried away in my earlier response (“nonsensical and arrogant”). I overreacted to your conclusion. Hope you post here often, because you offer a unique perspective that’s different from my initial ones.

  • guest

    Oh. I thought it was because of his 223 home runs, .300 BA, and 891 RBI. Throw in the fact that he is a home grown star. I am so confused now. Straighten me out, old sage one.

  • CJM

    D’Arnaud has been very good since his 0-15 start. That is undeniable.

  • metsman

    Who said he wasn’t? I think if TPT had a pebble in her shoe it would somehow be Tejada’s fault.

  • everybodysbuddy

    Alderson is doing what needs to be done, and Omar was very good as well, and was doing what ownership wanted him to do. They were each given different tasks. Sandy to build, and Omar to take us over the top and to a championship. Omar put together a great team at the expense of the minor leagues, but they came close to going all the way. Sometimes luck and breaks going against you side rail those plans though and you get burned. And then you need to rebuild, and your team has lost it’s financial foundation. Sandy has done well with what he was handed.I’m not as patient as he is, but I’m glad he is.

  • guest

    But TDA has only 2 home runs. Seems this Rosario guy is a much better baseball player.

  • CJM

    Rosario has only 3 home runs this season.

  • Waz0787

    Thanks for the post. This fool closed his mouth

  • guest

    You mean like the big check the idiot SA wrote for Granderson?

  • jessepmmo

    Pedros – eh, you should see the stuff that usually gets thrown my way! nonsensical and arrogant are compliments compared to most.

    It’s funny how 1 at bat, or 1 non swing can change everything. Again, Wainwright’s pitch was filthy… but what Mets fan didn’t think the stars were aligned after Endy’s catch?

    They win in 06 and the Madoff stuff happens, I thik the MAJORITY of the fan base “gets it” in terms of having to do business in a different sort of way. Winning buys you patience from most.

  • My answer would be yes, actually an emphatic yes.

    Could you imagine if we had won the World Series, then Madoff breaks, and then we started to dismantle the team the way we have? A la the Florida Marlins?

    I think fan resentment would have been worse than it is now quite honestly.

    Of course the Bay and K-Rod deals may have never happened, and who knows, maybe we don’t go after Johan either. It’s hard to predict what changing one outcome would do without considering the domino effect at the time.

    But what we do know is that the Citi Field and Madoff situations would have definitely still happened. And those two items were the impetus for all the negative downturns that were to follow in fan appeal, team image, and national perception.

  • jessepmmo

    Where did I even mention Omar?

  • guest

    Now I am really mixed up. So Rosario isn’t better than TDA? Because frankly he looks way better. Stats to prove it, too. Not just hype.

  • CyYout

    You are right that this organization has acted unprofessionally before. For me, Minaya accusing the beat reporter of being critical because of a grudge over a job in the front office was the low point. But calling the author of this fanshot naive and foolish is YOUR attempt in not engaging in a serious discussion. In fact, I think you missed the entire point — which is not to excuse this franchise’s incompetence across nearly every aspect of its operations, but to say that they can win despite that, and maybe we as fans can also focus on the positive on the field, like Lagares or our stacked minor league pitching. Keeping pressure on the Wilpons to make changes is important, but so is appreciating that this team can be very good with a couple of moves very shortly.

  • goorru

    Jessep doesn’t want you to be a fan, you have to be giddy about being 3 games over .500 with .16.6% of the season played.

  • Hodges14

    That was pre-Madoff Bust. Everything was different for the Mets back then.

  • CJM

    Where did I ever say Rosario wasn’t better than TdA? Nice strawman.

  • goorru

    This team’s core are Omar’s guys.

  • guest

    You’re a funny guy. Very passive aggressive. What’s a strawman, CJM?

  • Hodges14

    More than 3.5 million rocked Shea in the end.

  • CJM

    So the core that has been responsible for 5 straight losing seasons is Omar’s core? See how it works when people get into these comparisons? Everyone should step back and look at it without bias. There were things that Omar did well and things he didn’t do well. There are things that Sandy’s done well and things he hasn’t done well.

  • CJM

    I’m not your personal google.

  • guest

    Anybody that’s good on this team are Omar guys.

  • metsman

    Also, “very” is pushing it.

  • CJM

    .770 OPS for a catcher is very good.

  • guest

    Are you know making a strawman argument, CJM?

  • CJM

    No.

  • guest

    Good is pushing it. Not horrible. Slightly lousy. Much closer to reality.

  • CJM

    Wrong.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    If they did win in ’06, would we still have Omar? Or would Sandy still have been brought in?

    You must’ve driven certain commenters here absolutely insane with rage–sorry I missed it!

  • guest

    You replied to me, CJM. But you don’t seem to be able to keep your facts straight anyways. No biggie. No more replies to you replying to my posts ever again.

  • CJM

    I look forward to that.

  • jason bay

    I find this whole “signing someone to show they care” attitude to be a huge dose of hogwash.

    You don’t sign players to “show you care,” you sign the to help you win and you do so when the infrastructure is already in place and that means having above average performance from some young cost controlled players along with competent bench players and credible AAA/AA reserves.

    You don’t spend draft picks on book marks just to give the illusion of competability or you will never get competitive but for a year or two if everything goes as well as could be hoped, followed by another round of signing book marks to keep it going or a full scale implosion when the sands in the hour glass mix with a few few FA busts.

    FA should be used to provide major long term upgrades if your giving away draft picks like Vlad, Beltran and Stanton, not Drew, Morales and Cruz.

  • guest

    Sorry. Did I hurt your little feelings?

  • Ed Charles

    Oh please. You need to stop wrapping yourself in a Mets pennant and claiming to be a “true” fan. We need a SS, a LF, a lead-off hitter, and a 1B. I support PLAYERS like Wright and Murphy who deserve accountability and commitment, and are not left to languish through the prime years of their careers (the last FIVE years) while the FO does nothing and let’s the best hopes even the small hopes like Hawkins depart.

  • guest

    Way wrong? Or just very wrong?

  • CJM

    Nope.

  • CJM

    Wrong is wrong. It doesn’t come in varying degrees.

  • SRT

    ‘…this team is being held hostage by an inept ownership whose dysfunctional
    decisions have led to a low point in this franchise’s history.’

    This, in a nutshell.

  • “What impacts me as a fan is what happens on the field – when the team wins I’m happy, this team is playing winning baseball yet you might not even notice it if you listen to the commentary.”

    Perfectly understood, and I’m sure plenty of fans feel this way, but I also believe there is a substantial number of present and former Met fans who will not be completely satisfied by having the team win, they want their team back, and that’s not going to happen, not this year, not ever.

    It is a fantasy to believe that the Met are going to win back the millions of fans they have lost and that Citi will re-capture the feel of Shea. That said, perhaps they can retain those who have stuck around and win over some new fans if they can sustain a few winning seasons.

  • Article bought and paid for by Sterling Equities. Yup let’s keep blaming the fans. It’s our negativity that is the problem clearly.

    The problem is not the five losing seasons in a row on top of two season ending collapses. The problem is not ownership making such poor financial investments that us the fans are watching our team being help hostage by ownership trying to keep OUR team within their grasp. The problem is not doing stupid cougarlife promotions.

    Nope it’s us. All I have to say about this 15-12 record which is a wonderful surprise but does ZERO to change the rhetoric. They started 13-10 in 2012, 14-9 in 2010. This team has one of the weakest offenses in the NL and that is why no one will be fooled about this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

  • goorru

    He said Omar was awful, that’s my point. Only that it’s absurd to say Omar was awful, with guys like Gee, Niese, Lagares, Mejia, Harvey, Murphy and Duda are part of the core of this team.

  • guest

    No reply to my post below, tough guy taskmaster? You are a blithering hypocrite.

  • CJM

    Ok. I agree with that point.

  • Waz0787

    I hope the mets win tonight by 10 runs minimum or else the game thread post will go bust after reading this junk.

  • guest

    Good apparently does to you. You said very good. Is it good, or VERY good. Get it. Same thing. Is it wrong? Or very wrong? You can see that, right?

  • Tank

    Just my two cents and I may be wrong, but I always felt they knew they weren’t going to extend him but with him chasing the batting title that year he gave the Mets fans a reason to come to the ballpark in a season with not much else to come to the park for. Then the way he ended his Mets career I was happy to see him go, unfortunately it was for 0.

  • CJM

    Wrong=/=bad. You can be bad, very bad, or horrible. You can be average, you can be good, you can be very good, you can be great. When you make a comment that is wrong, you are simply wrong.

  • Tank

    Or give him a QO so they can at least get a draft pick for letting him go.

  • groverland

    I agree with some of that you said–but payroll does matter–with rare exceptions teams with higher payrolls win more than teams with low payroll. And yes, the Cardinals have a payroll at almost 110 Million, about 25 million more than the Mets. ALSO–with regard to the Wilpons, it is not that they refuse to spend, they cannot afford to spend. That is the problem.

  • CyYout

    Alright, you keep crying over a 41 year old reliever while I look forward to Syndergaard and the return of Harvey, that’s fine by me.

  • TPT

    hahahaha love it thanks

  • guest

    But JB. You don’t mind if i call you JB? Apparently signing Granderson and his .133 BA was to show the great one, SA, cared. Seems to me he’s on his way to being the worst bust in Mets history. And young, he sounds a lot like those expensive bookmarks you so rage against. I try to follow your posts but frankly you mostly contradict yourself. Don’t mean to be hurtful.

  • TPT

    so just who did we sign to only show we care and not to help the team?

  • guest

    I think Granderson falls into that category. And Young falls into the ‘bookmark’ category. So does the PED guy, Colon. If he isn’t a bookmark, who is?

  • TPT

    speaking for my old friend JB its ok hes used to being hurt so go right ahead…joke

  • Ed Charles

    He’s 9 for 9 in saves this year. THIS year. Who are you? Terry Collins? Look Wright in the face and tell him that in TWO years Syndegaarde will be able to take the mound and pitch like a veteran. Give players the respect they are due. And by the way, there’s no crying in baseball.

  • T Boogy

    I think I like this article because I know it’s going to piss off so many of those impossible to satisfy “fans” that congregate on this site and just want to complain and feed into what Mike is stating – forget about bashing and blaming the FO and ownership and just root for the team!

  • guest

    I think you’re way wrong to say there isn’t varying degrees of being wrong. In court, sometimes they say like one party is 85% wrong, and the other 15% wrong. See? Varying degrees of wrong. So I repeat. You are way, way wrong.

  • Eric Raffle

    The Mets “are Not The Yankees”— they are also NOT the KC Royals! There is some room between the extremes. Frankly, the Mets wer never the Yanks—but they did support and portray their position as an Anchor MLB Franchise.

    As such, they owned a great position with a very solid and devoted fan base. The fact is that they have abandoned their fans. The most vociferous are right here, continuing to moan and groan….and Cheer. Largely, the most Vehement, devoted fans are those who have remained…loyalists…and YES…we’d like to Fix The Mets!!!

    We don’t want them to become the Yankees! We loved them when they were The Mets….. we’d like them to be The Mets AGAIN!!!

    As for your questions about Short Stop— quite plainly, they are well below a reasonable threshold budget….. they lack an MLB Quality Player at the Position….. They are at least 3 years away from any possible player in their Pipeline at the Position…. Signing a Free agent maintains their Crop of young arms….

    Signing Drew Adds 3 wins….This year…next year…the year after—- They have a Pennant Chase Starting Staff….they can participate in Actual August Baseball, and Maybe More!…. and they can repeat that for the next 3 years.l

    It’s Time for The Mets to be The Mets…… I refuse to be a Stepford Fan!!!!

  • CJM

    We are not in court. You said something that was wrong, as in false. There’s no need for me to qualify that.

  • guest

    JB sounds like one of those guys who gets his feelings hurt easily.

  • TPT

    i disagree i really cant believe SA didnt think he’d be improving the team im sorry but the Wilpons are in no position to spend 60 miilion only to put a smile on the fans face and im not saying i agree with either signing but i disagree that the motive wasnt to improve the team and if thats the case they would have signed Drew long ago ” to please the fans”

  • goorru

    They should sign good/great players to show they care, big difference.

  • TPT

    nahhh JBs cool

  • guest

    You said I was wrong and then stated that there are no degrees of wrong. Do you even read the slop you write? I’m embarrassed for you. And I don’t even know you, CJM.

  • CJM

    In the context of what you wrote, there are no degrees for you being wrong. It was simply wrong.

  • guest

    You miss the point. JB said players are signed to appease the fans by Minaya. Who? Name one. Yet, to bring people to this morgue Citi and to prove they really care, the Mets signed Granderson. Who’s batting .133.

  • TPT

    very well said

  • Hotstreak

    Jessep You did not. I am guilty of jumping to a conclusion.

    However stop trying to fix the Mets is an out for ownership and its GM. The Mets need fixing not only in wins and losses but in image. You might say winning gives the image. Not completely

    Omar with Rubin
    Buzzard taking off shirt to fight players
    SA Reyes box of chocolates
    SA “What OF”
    Horowitz cancelling Native American Night Yes Selig did it but to schedule it with Braves in first place. Why not Jim Thorpe night?
    Horowitz or maybe SA on recent email to support team
    Leaking to press to trash Reyes, Beltran, Paegan, Dickey. Santana, Ike and Tejeda

  • guest

    Simply wrong, or complexly wrong? See what I mean now? Even you do it. Using ‘simply’ to define wrong. Man. You don’t reread your stuff, do you?

  • CJM

    Simply as in, just wrong, no qualifiers.

  • guest

    But ‘simply’ IS a qualifier, you funny, funny man.

  • CJM

    Simply is not a qualifier that represents any different degree. Simply means without ambiguity. When I say you are simply wrong, it means that you are wrong.

  • Tank

    Agreed. I’ve traveled to many stadiums to see our Mets play. I always viewed this site almost as therapy to get over what is going on right now with the big league team. Yes we have some prospects in the minors to be excited about, but that’s what they are good minor leaguers. They maybe be HOFers or they may be busts…who knows. Also, I don’t count them as stars until they’ve done it for a few years (yes that includes Harvey) I’ve read above about how the Cards started rebuilding in 2004. I’ve looked it up and since 2004 their win totals are:
    2004-105
    2005-100
    2006-83
    2007-78
    2008-86
    2009-91
    2010-86
    2011-90
    2012-88
    2013-97
    I’d take any of those years since we’ve begun the rebuilding instead of our losing seasons. I love the Mets but this waiting until next year attitude us fans have taken on is disappointing.

  • jessepmmo

    I do think you’re mixing up Press Relations and Marketing. If I had to pin the tail on the donkey with much of the Mets issues, I’d say their VP of Marketing is more at fault not Horowitz who is Media Relations.

    I think everybody sees things like the e-blast that went out and thinks Horowitz is behind it, but that is because he’s recognizable.

    Things like how the team “markets” itself to the fans I would have to assume is more on their VP of Marketing/Communications David Newman than anybody.

  • TPT

    maybe you just dont understand so let me help ….you sign really good/great players to todays market value contracts to show your fans you care about winning there you go JB

  • KennyandtheMets

    Michael,

    When you come down off of your high horse, you will find that many die-hard Mets fans (like me) are standing there with our feet planted firmly on the ground.
    I could care less about payroll. I have stated this many times. That said, it is going to take more than a 15-12 (or is it 15-13 now) start to get me excited about this team. There are still major holes in the every day line up. In addition, the injury bug has not yet hit our starting pitching staff. How long do you think that will last?
    I am fine with folks who want to spout their optimism for this team’s future. I am happy about the way this team has battled so far this season. However, I am tired of being told that I am not a good fan unless I stop complaining. I am as good a fan as anyone. It is my right to complain about what I feel to be mistakes by the manager, FO, and players (including the Captain). I will continue to b***h and complain until we win the WS and I am not going anywhere. I watch every game and root for our Mets to the last pitch. I have every right to complain after what I have suffered through the past 28 years.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Actually since Uncle Bud stepped in, they dont.

  • CJM

    What was leaked to the press to trash Dickey?

  • Taskmaster4450

    If Drew was worth three wins, dont you think the Tigers, who are also in desperate need of a SS, would be all over him?

  • KennyandtheMets

    No. I won’t.

  • T Boogy

    I applaud SA for spending wisely. That was part of the point. And I don’t get worked up over whether I was lied to or not because I’m not the owner of the team. I’m just a loyal dedicated fan that will root for the players that the team can afford to put on the field.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I root for the players too. That doesn’t mean I can’t complain about management.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Where did JB mention Minaya?

  • SRT

    ‘What impacts me as a fan is what happens on the field – when the team wins I’m happy’

    What happens on the field is a direct result of what goes on off the field, in building the team. The two are not mutually exclusive.
    It’s as simple as that.

  • Opti-Mets-tic

    This is my favorite thread.
    Thank you for writing it.
    +1,000,000

  • Taskmaster4450

    You think Alderson signed Granderson to appease the fan base?

    When did Alderson ever show that he was making a decision based upon what the fans thought? If anything, Alderson is the other way, almost to the point of being obtuse about what the fans think.

    The Mets arent going to spend $60M+ just to appease the fans.

    And CY didnt cost a draft pick…that is what JB rails against…not signing those type players.

  • JJ

    There is a reason why Jeffy Wilpon is the MOST despised executive in baseball.

  • goorru

    I guess this is how you excuse losing and incompetence, blaming other people for the miscues of the front office. Thinking that Sandy and the Wilpon’s don’t have full control over marketing is naive.

  • guest

    Sorry. He must have been talking about Sandy then. My bad. And if he’s talking about Sandy, and the money he’s wasted on free agents, then he’s 100000000% right. Right on, Taskmaster for showing me the light. SA, you wild free agent spending fool. You’ve been called out by old sage one, old self righteous one, Taskman, sent to save the world from dumbness.

  • Eric Raffle

    NO—- he also wants a multi year deal and the Tigers have a multi year player (injured) who is already in place—and they have the luxury of waiting for a deadline deal… maybe they’re sitting on Jimmy Rollins for a “short solution” (less years commitment).

    The Mets are a fit—he wants 3?….. we NEED three!!!

  • Hotstreak

    I will look for the link. But the cujrse of playing Santa hit Dickey who was in negotiations with SA and he was asking for less than market for a CY winner. The press asked him a question about the contract and interpreted his answer as thinking about himself and not the childern at the Hodiday party.

    http://metsblog.com/metsblog/mets-not-happy-with-dickeys-comments-at-holiday-party/

  • AndyB

    No, actually, since they own the team they do not have to sell it any more than you have to sell your car. They own a pro sports team — they’re not sugar daddies.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Loria is up there also…fans in Miami cant stand him.

    And even though the Wilpons build Citi, at least they are on the hook for the money hence the cost cutting. Loria got a new stadium build and paid mostly by the taxpayers and he still gutted the team last year.

  • jason bay

    The team under current ownership (2002) has always taken the short cut because IMO they didn’t have the money to both buy a team and build one for later so they chose to put practically all of the money into “this year” because of the opportunity for quick return on investment and that just perpetuated or increased the amount of problem areas down the road.

    Not offering arbitration to Fonzie, Leiter, Oliver, ect , trading 3 draft picks in the Wagner and Barajas deals with just weeks to go in the season combined with all the other late season salary dumps supports my position.

    If the Wilpon’s had simply concentrated all their efforts and resources on building a team they would be rolling in dough right now even with the Madoff disaster.

  • guest

    Read some of his quotes, old sage one. Plenty there. And they do care. Con men always care about perception. Its the key to the con. Gees. So, yes. Don’t mean to hurt you feelings. But Granderson was signed to appease the fans so the con could continue.

  • CJM

    Even with Selig retiring, it will still be very hard to force a sale. It comes down solely to the Wilpons’ solvency. If they can make payroll, I don’t think it’s possible to force a sale. Even if they fielded a $30 million roster every season.

  • FRANK SALADO

    What most people don’t understand is the plan that the GM and the front office have in mind, I believe I can see it taking shape young core of players starting with the pitching wand when the that is solidily in place the time will be right to start spending and filing in with the free agent market that way we substain a long time winning club, I have been a Met fan from day one when Casey was the manager and in all honesty have never seen this team able to stay on top only in the 80’s were they good for a long strech but only one WS is time to bring that mentality to our team where we will be in it every year not buying champioships but puting our home grown players on the field with a great chance of winning it all, we are in the right path after a long drought I believe in this version of the 2014 METS and I believe that when the right time comes the right players with be added but only the right players not the highest paid.
    GO METS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Taskmaster4450

    Really?

    Maybe google LA Clippers Owner. He is having to sell.

    And if you are bleeding cash to the tune of $70M like in 2010, you cant go on too long before you have to liquidate.

  • Metropolitan

    Keep in mind that it is a franchise and there are circumstances in which owners of a sports franchise can be forced to sell

  • guest

    Almost makes perfect sense.

  • Hotstreak

    It does not matter the Mets have a poor image beyond losing.

  • CJM

    Sterling and the Wilpons are not analogous situations.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I would agree…the financial chaos for the Wilpons is past. They might not have a ton of cash to throw around for salaries but the $50M in payroll reduction means they are most likely about break even.

  • Charley’s Twin

    So many folks seem to miss this point you made.

  • jessepmmo

    So what do you think the Vice President of Marketing & Communications does all day?

  • guest

    And when I say you are way, way wrong, well, you are wrong. I thought you said you weren’t responding any more to my replies. Get a grip, man. Your integrity is more important than proving you are right.

  • Taskmaster4450

    No but he made the point that the team is like my car and that the Wilpons cant be forced to sell. Well that isnt true. Sterling proves that the owner of a professional sports team can be forced to sell.

  • goorru

    To execute the plan laid out to him by Sandy and the Wilpon’s.

  • Metropolitan

    also lets not forget McCourt former Dodgers owner

  • TPT

    well maybe we need to catch Fred calling Mr MET “a queer” then the whole world we be up in arms and maybe then he’ll be forced to sell *fingers crossed

  • CJM

    True. I don’t know how the situation would work in baseball. Frank McCourt was forced to sell after Selig blocked a TV deal for the Dodgers, causing them to miss payroll. Once they missed payroll, their operations were put into the control of MLB. So that is a clear way for owners to be forced to sell. I’m not sure if there is some sort of owner vote system in the Majors. But I’m sure they would need more than consistently low payrolls to force an owner out. That would set a bad precedent for all the owners.

  • guest

    To get them some coffee. To bow and occasionally kneel in front of them. To agree with them. To say they are brilliant. The list of possibilities is nearly endless.

  • CJM

    Still a different situation.

  • Peter S

    If you look further, the Wilpons bought the team outright in 2003. I think they had a top 3 payroll every year through 2011. I disagree with Reyes. I think he should have been kept, and having him on this team right now would have made them a lot better. You can’t say for sure he would have gotten hurt as a Met. Perhaps, perhaps not.

    My gripe with spending is that you have to use your money at the right time. I was very happy with their moves. I, too, wouldn’t sign Drew. But if come July, the mets need to open their wallets to put this team over the top, they need to do it. Money cannot come between this team and a playoff run. But this team has to get there as is. And when it does, it must be supplemented with that final piece or two for the run.

  • Hotstreak

    30-20 final score.

    4 hrs Wright
    4 hrs Grandy
    Lagares hits Cycle
    Murphy steals home
    Tejeda hits grand slam
    TDA 4 doubles

  • john q

    This is just a ridiculous statement:

    “Spare me this idea that they didn’t have the tools to win either, the Wilpon’s did NOTHING wrong in 2007 and 2008 in terms of giving the team it’s best chance to win.”

    The Mets squandered a massive opportunity in 2006 in that they had 2 home grown young all stars (Wright & Reyes) making peanuts and one a future HOF in CF in his prime under contract until 2011.

    There were massive red flags all over that 2007 team before the season started.

    The offense masked the lousy starting staff in 2006 and they went into 2007 depending on two 41 year old starting pitchers (Glavine, El Duque). They never really had a #5 starter on that 2007 staff instead they relied on Jorge Sosa (30), Mike Pelfry and Brian Lawrence (31).

    That 2007 team was like a senior league baseball team.

    Julio Franco was 48…enough said. And then he was a pain in neck instigator.

    They went into the season relying on Moises (aka disabled list) Alou (41) and a post steroid using Shawn Green (34) in the corner outfield spots.

    They were relying on a 37 year old Jose Valentin to have another fluky season like he did in 2006. When that didn’t work out they replaced him with another 37 year old in Damion Easley. Then they eventually traded for youngster (32 year old) Luis Castillo.

    They were relying on post steroid user (35 year old) Paul Lo Duca who was shot. The back-up was youngster Ramon Castro (31) so the Mets felt compelled to get Mike DeFelice (38) and Sandy Alomar (41) because they didn’t have enough 40 year old players on this teams. I think Omar just wanted to have a reunion of the 1991 all star game with Franco, Alomar and Glavine.

    At first base they had a 35 year old Delgado who suddenly couldn’t hit anymore posting the lowest batting numbers of his career as a starter, not to mention he had a massive back loaded contract. The back up was a 48 year old who started playing major league baseball (1982) before David Wright was even born. He was so old that he was actually a team mate of Tug McGraw, Del Unser, Willie Montenez and 1986 Met first base coach Bill Robinson. Not to mention, Pete Rose, Steve Carlton, Sparky Lyle, Stan Bahnsen, and Ron Reed. I guess this team was kind of young so Minaya went out and acquired 41 year old Jeff Conine at the end of the season. I guess he wanted a reunion of the 1994 all star game with Moises Alou.

    Aaron Sele (37) was signed because I guess they needed a representative from the 1998 all star game and they wanted someone who was a one time teammate of Andre Dawson and Tony Pena. Youngster (34) Chan Ho Park was signed.

    Youngster Scott Schoenweiss (33) was brought in because there weren’t enough ex PED users. And for good measure they brought back youngster Guillermo Mota (34) from his 50 game PED suspension and gave him a 2 year contract.

    Not to worry though because the 2007 Mets had 36 year old Billy Wagner as the closer and a 35 year old broken down Pedro Martinez out almost the entire season because of a major injury. What could go wrong?

    Left field became a conveyor belt of players with 6 players replacing Moises Alou: Chavez, Gomez, Newhan, M. Anderson, Ledee and B. Johnson. Three of the those LF were 33 years old: Newhan, M. Anderson, and Ledee.

    There were major problems with that team in June & July when they went 15-19. The problems were masked because the Phillies weren’t playing well and the Mets had a played great baseball in April & May.

    Minaya really didn’t make any good trades/transactions after acquiring El Duque in May of 2006.

    He put Mike Adams on waivers for some reason
    He traded Jeff Keppinger for nothing
    He traded Nady for Roberto Hernandez which was a push and probably unnecessary.
    He traded for Shawn Green and that contract.

    Then in the off season he gave away Heath Bell for nothing
    Traded Matt Lindstrom for Jason Vargas but then traded Vargas away in the J.J. Putz trade about 2 years later.
    Traded Brian Banister for nothing

    Then in 2007

    He traded for Luis Castillo which was good but signed him to a ridiculous 4 year contract which was terrible.
    He acquired Jeff Conine because there weren’t enough 40 year olds on that team.
    Millege for Church/Schneider was a push.

  • CJM

    I didn’t say anything of the sort. You said that to me, actually.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I guess you are another clueless fool who only engages in GM competition.

    One thing about JB he goes back to the time before reign of the back bitter when he talks about the Mets insanity.

    As for Omar, give me a break. The Mets had 5 losing seasons. Interesting how everyone wants to point to the core as being Omar’s. Well that core is responsible for 5 losing years.

    I hope I this didnt go entirely over your head. I tried to write at a 5th grade level so you could understand.

  • guest

    Don’t use logic with old sage one, Task. Doesn’t work with him. He just changes things around to prove he’s right.

  • WillisReid

    I agree with much of this, but i’m not as willing to view them as a victim of Madoff. But they do deserve a few years to dig out of the Madoff/Citi mess based on their willingness to spend previously.

    I do disagree with the part about Drew though. Obviously Granderson won’t be this bad all season(hopefully)but to look at it today I think the smart move would have been signing Young, swapping Davis for Joyce and signing Drew to play SS and giving Tejada AB’s vs LHP.

    The Hawkins argument is pointless as the Mets thought they had Parnell at that point, and you couldn’t/can’t really think Hawkins will be this good all season at 42 pitching at Coors field.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I like how you write your opinions and make like that are statements of fact. They arent.

    Grandy was signed to appease the fans. Only a fool would believe that.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I know. It surprises me too. It doesn’t seem like such a
    complicated idea. So many folks seem to see things in very
    stark, black and white, terms.

    Good fans : Root for the team and don’t question management,
    because management IS the team.

    Bad fans : Anyone who doesn’t fit the “Good fans” definition.

    Are so many people truly that simple-minded??

  • guest

    Soon enough. When the weight of $700 million in notes, loans and bonds comes due. Soon enough, my sage old friend. Soon enough. Its like a ponzi scheme, if you really think about it. Irony, don’t you just love it?

  • Peter S

    The Wilpons are worth a lot more than what they are losing. My guess is that they will never sell because banks will always come to their aid. As Long as their net worth, especially since most of it are assets that can be used as collateral, is more than they owe, the Wilpons always will have a way to stay owners.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I am sure it takes a lot but the point that owners can be forced to sell exists in professional sports.

  • WillisReid

    Crazy how the Phillies today remind me of the Mets of then. Terrible GM’s with blank checks are a bad idea.

  • guest

    PAST, he says. Joke. And a boldface lie. Unless you are a total moron, none of the principle of the notes, loans, or bonds has been paid back. Not a cent. Tick, tick, tick. Can’t go under? Tell that to some of the wall street giants who went under. Worth 100 times more than the Mets. They can, and will, be forced to sell at some point.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Logic? What do you know about that?

    That isnt an area you should be discussing. You defend an outdated losing model that was proven for two decades. Yet you still hold onto that belief in spite of a long history to the contrary.

    Maybe you should learn from history….it is the source of great knowledge.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Michael,

    Good hearing from you again. Hope things have been going well.

    For myself, the argument has never been that either Sandy or the Wilpons REFUSE to spend money – it’s that they CAN’T. I doubt very much they would want the franchise to be in such a state that it is now where fans have lost faith in the organization and question its motivations. That is not good business.

    As to Reyes and Drew, all valid points but the contention by so many of us that between the years 2012 and 2014 those two players were not the only options available in the market and though it seemed Tejada (at least in the eyes of us fans) was going to be an adequate replacement, we did not see the money saved by not re-signing Jose re-invested in other areas in an attempt to make the team stronger. Again, not a matter of REFUSING to spend as it was not having the option to make moves and being handcuffed by the Madoff fiasco.

    As far as Hawkins, it was a matter of the Mets not willing to agree to the amount that he was seeking, not that he was looking for an opportunity to be a closer. Sandy has said as far as LaTroy was concerned, it was not him wanting to be a closer as it was the money. And the difference was $1 million which Sandy was unwilling to pay because he said “it wasn’t clear what his role would be”. At the same time “it wasn’t clear what his role would be” it also wasn’t clear if Parnell was going to be effective or even healthy enough to pitch coming off neck surgery.

    Sandy did say “Parnell is expected to be fine for next season. If he were unable to close, Alderson said, “right now” Vic Black is the alternative.:

    As we know, Vic Black, the contingency for Parnell, had serious issues with control and the consensus opinion of baseball scouts was that despite his electric stuff, his wildness due to his unorthodox pitching motion gave them serious reservations about his ability to be consistent in the majors. No matter what the Mets said publicly, privately they were privy to this information.

    So with all the question marks we did have with the bullpen, I still believe it was a matter of the Mets not REFUSING to spend an extra million dollars to re-sign LaTroy as it was with the limited amount of money they have to cut corners throughout and thus decided that they couldn’t.

    Again, as you pointed out, spending was one problem we didn’t have with the Wilpons so it’s not a question of them deciding to do the opposite now. Foolish spending, that is another story. Wise and prudent investment, not needing to flash out extra millions if not necessary, etc., that too is another story.

    But still, we recognize that the organization’s focus is not on the team but on it’s survival as being owners. It is that understanding – that steps could have been taken to have improved the team but weren’t due to not having the money to do so – that makes us feel betrayed. We understand why the Wilpons do not want to sell. Even without that real-estate development, due to all the outside revenue sports franchises are in line to get – television, video games, internet web sites, etc., their values are rising like never before.

    So for example, LaTroy Hawkins was business, all business. It had nothing to do with what would be good for the team. If it did, a million dollar difference would not caused the Mets to only offer LaTroy an $500,000 raise over last year.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/79643/alderson-no-sense-paying-41-year-old-2-5m

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/sandy-alderson-comfortable-offer-mets-made-latroy-hawkins-blog-entry-1.1647922

  • Peter S

    They will never be forced to pay that sum. They will just refinance it. They have more than enough collateral to get a loan. And banks are greedy. They will look past the operations because in the end, if the Wilpons belly up, the bank gets the NY Mets, or SnY or some building/property that is worth more than they owe.

  • guest

    He catches you making an extremely stupid statement (Tigers do not want a multi-year solution at SS when they have a very highly regarded SS coming back later this year) and you attack me? What belief am I holding onto? Look up projection. You might be fascinated by what you read. What a dolt.

  • Peter S

    The mets/Sandy dropped the ball on Hawkins. Period. Doesn’t matter why.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Well it seems that your lack of knowledge of finance rivals your ignorance in baseball. The Mets owe hundred of millions of dollars to the bank. Do you think they are just going to write that off? Of course not. Why do you think the banks refinanced the notes? Is it because they were worried about taking the hit on their capital reserves? Not at all. They make interest on the notes. They will keep extending those notes forever if the Wilpons want. Each time they extend they rake in millions in fees and the interest payments are pure profit. Roll the same $250M note for another couple years, collect the interest and fees, and repeat.

    So, once again, you are wrong. The Wilpons will not be forced to sell as long as the interest payments are met.

  • Taskmaster4450

    The Mets and SNY are assets which are worth more than they owe and they keep escalating. With the jump in the value of sports teams, the collateral required is the franchise itself. Their other assets dont even enter the picture.

  • jason bay

    We have tried that approach For 20 years and where has it really gotten us?

    There have always been so many holes on this team that were addresses through FA that we eventually had to start taking the 2nd tier FA or trade acquisition

    At 2B you go from Baerga to Alomar, Relaford, Matsui, Valentin, Castillo.

    At catcher you had 7 years after signing Piazza and yet Lo Duca, Schneider, Barajas still only got us to Thole.

    1B was Keith followed by a million guys, Olerud and Delgado for few years, Piazza, Phillips, Jacobs, Ike, Duda, Satin….

    RF Hildago, Bell, Spencer, Garcia, Green, Nady, Cameron, Cedeno, Everett, Church, Francouer, Sullivan, Feliciano, Duda, Granderson

    LF Floyd, Alou, Murphy, Evans, Sheffield, Bay, Duda, Young, Young Jr

    The whole thing has been a joke. Who have we had that held down a position for 5 years or more at an above average rate of production?

    Piazza (trade and re-sign). Beltran (cream of the crop FA) Alfonzo, Ordonez, Hundley, Reyes and Wright (all homegrown)

    That’s 5-1-1. That should be your mix.

  • Taskmaster4450

    $700M in notes backed by assets valued at over $2B when the interest payments are being made.

    Why would the bank force them to sell?

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    Did I make a grammatical error? Not speak clearly?
    OK then clown.
    Lets try facts again.
    Take his post and let us know, using facts to support your position, where he was wrong. Specifically.
    And yes, you can use crayons and diagrams if that helps you express yourself.

  • guest

    If you mean your utter lack of grammar, run on sentences, disjointed conjunctions and dangling participles, then yes. I can’t read up a 5th grade level. Can I ask you a question? Why do you find it so relevant to attack and insult? Only petty little men who want to huff and puff their way to getting people to believe they really have anything relevant to say. And please. Read back your posts before you hit the send button. You sound illiterate. You really do.

  • Taskmaster4450

    It will never come to that. The interest payments on the notes are being met, that is all the bank cares about. Until interest rates rise, the refinancing of the debt makes the interest almost a fixed expense. Of course, the value of the assets of the Mets and SNY are increasing at a greater rate than interest rates will go up.

  • Hotstreak

    I ask you who got the better farm. Omar from Phillips/Duquette or Sandy from Omar. No further talking points.

  • guest

    Only a desperate sandy loving, get down on my knees and crawl to my master shill would think otherwise. Which you have proved yourself to be, old sage one with all the wrong answers.

  • Matlack

    Sign me up if we can get Drew for 2/18.

  • ..and by the way, someone could offer a response post called ‘Stop Trying to Fix the Met Fans.” I’d nominate @pedros_rooster:disqus but he’s too damned nice.

  • Hotstreak

    Ask Tom Hicks.

  • guest

    ‘We’ have tried that approach? We? Boy, do you suffer from delusions of grandeur.

  • goorru

    It’s up to Sandy to fill in the holes when Omar built the core, other than Marlon Byrd who has Sandy added to help drive this team to a winning season?

  • Mets&jets

    Stop trying to fix the mets….yes let’s keep the broken team and not try to upgrade it you and this article is a joke and Adam R says that stuff because he covers the team.its stupid articles like this that drives me crazy.Also wasn’t it the lying owners say that the problems with that thief friend of theirs wasn’t gonna effect the team ha didn’t they say that so spare me your noise

  • john q

    Yeah, you’re right about that I hadn’t really thought of that connection. You could kind of see that developing with the Phillies in 2012-13.

    The only difference is that the Phillies of today don’t have the two young studs in Wright & Reyes like those 2007 Mets did.

    The craziest thing about that 2007 Mets team is that they had SIX! 41+ year old players on that team and one guy was 48 almost 49. They had FOURTEEN 35+ year old players on that team.

    I can’t think of another playoff contending team that had six 41+ players on their roster.

    It’s really a minor miracle they were still in first place in September of 2007. They got lucky because the division was rather lousy.

  • Peter S

    Absolutely. I just pointed that out to show how much they can actually bring to the table.

  • guest

    Not even close to factual. As for the valuations of teams in baseball they all skewed with the sale of the Dodgers. Now that final price tag / comparable valuation will be significantly reduced, so too will the inflated valuations of the rest of the franchises. Mets are playing a ‘ponzi’ scheme type of game with the banks. Legal of course. They pay principle hoping to have the money to someday pay back almost a billion dollars of principle. Not going to happen. And the net between the notes, loans and bonds is almost equal to the debt now, which when market corrected, will fall even to a more cortical point. Look it up, old sage one instead of just spouting off all the time.

  • Peter S

    Which is why they will never sell nor be forced to.

  • guest

    They pay interest, of course.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I can’t seem to find a comment I made to the writer of this article. Can someone tell me why, or is this the new Mets Blog?

  • jason bay

    It’s clear John that was a team with a very short shelf life built on the basis of “who can we get for 20 spots” on the 25 man roster.

    That is not how St Louis, Atlanta and Boston do things.

    Excellent post.

  • Peter S

    Now that would be an interesting thread…alex68, your opinion?

  • Hotstreak

    I am Glad you did not blame Omar. Maybe my posts helped.

  • Peter S

    Easy now partner! Lol

  • Matlack

    LOL

  • guest

    Yes, genius. Banks notoriously write off much larger debt. And it is much much more than $250 million. The debt alone on the building is $700 millions. Facts, my friend. Facts. By the way, can you start one reply to me without an insult? Really shows a low character and lack of intellectual grace on your part.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Kenny, Its disqus…

    Its been acting weird it did it to a couple comments I made as well. Make sure to copy what you write before you press the post button.

  • HawkZon

    Don’t EVER insinuate that this is MetsBlog.

  • TPT

    McCourt subdivided Dodger assets into separate companies in fact 20 different companies and was accused of stealing 190 million from the Dodgers for personal use at one point he couldnt even pay the stadium vendors or sales team, twice he was 2 weeks late paying them so BIG DIFFERENCE here

  • guest

    $700 million on one asset along, the building. And by the way, bonds rated lower than junk. Why would they be forced to sell? To get in owners who an back back the billion dollars they are owed.

  • guest

    Of course they are. Is there anything you aren’t an expert at? You have just about no idea of what you are talking about. Read finance book or two.

  • WillisReid

    Very different paths to get to the same place, old and expensive with a depleted minor league system.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Peter S.,
    Agreed, but wanted to provide Jessep with factual backup as to why his assessment was incorrect without getting into the issue of “refusing” or being “unable” to spend the extra million for as you said, it doesn’t matter – except that for myself it does matter because the decision was made in terms of not what was in the best interests of the team but in the bigger picture of what type of decisions are necessary to make that are in the best interests of the Wilpons to remain owners.

  • Hotstreak

    Joe D. is still mad at me for saying what you did. But at least I accused the moderators and did not make a metsblog comparison.

  • Waz0787

    I would like to nominate metropolitan to write a response to this post.

  • Bill Buckner

    Bingo. The author’s simplistic head in the sand approach is what’s wrong with so many Mets fans these days…

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Was a Typo I thought corrected that. Guess the urinals sidetracked me.

  • TPT

    2.5 million in todays market is a bargain for a guy who did whatever asked and excelled and was love by the young pitchers and to think we DID SIGN LANNAN AND FARNSWORTH AND VALVERDE and with ea one it wasnt to be a closer because Parnell wasnt injuried then it was to take Hawkins role so SA did drop the ball no doubt

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Why would I waste my time going through this long post to point out every BS statement he made???

    And just for a mongo like you at that…

    Take your head out the urinals

  • Taskmaster4450

    You obviously dont understand how banks work.

    They do not want their money back, they only want to make money on what is issued. If the billions dollars was paid back, they would have to loan it out again. Why do that when the money is making money on the interest the Wilpons entities are paying? When they keep refinancing the notes, the principle never goes away but the interest keeps ringing the register.

    It is no different than with credit cards. They never want you to pay the balance off…just keep paying the interest.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Hey Mr. Unblockable, I am SICK AND TIRED of fans savaging each other. The writer of this article is not the bad guy and is as entitled to his beliefs as you are to yours. To suggest he needs medication for delusions is uncalled for and it’s also venting your anger and frustration in the wrong direction. We may be contemptuous of the idea and unwilling to sign a bogus petition, but we’re still all here for the same reasons, except for the trolls. So lets have a little solidarity instead of all the poison penmanship. The name-calling is unnecessary. I’m not a Sandy lover or hater, I’m a Mets fanatic who’s frustrated with how long it’s taking to rebuild a winner. But you know what? I wouldn’t have paid 10 or 12 million for Drew, either!.

  • Hotstreak

    Phillies were winners and are now suffering. Winning in baseball is NOT like sex. There is no after glow unless you polish the trophies.

  • If only Fred and Jeff had mistresses with tape recorders.

  • Taskmaster4450

    It was shown a number of places where you are wrong but you act like everyone else is ignorant.

    You showed you have no concept of banking whatsoever and how the world of finance works yet you want to make like you know something. You dont.

  • bostongregg

    I’ve been watching, rooting for, living and dying with this team since 1965 and I’ve read a lot of things about them.
    This is truly the dumbest, most condescending, most inane piece of crap in all of that time. Don’t you dare question my love of the Mets. And don’t you dare, ever to question my disdain for this ownership.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    It’s Loria by a mile.

  • TPT

    good point no need for personal attacks except the article had only a little to do with signing Drew and i havent read one thing anywhere that Drews asking price is 14 million

  • guest

    They call back notes, loans all the time. Think hard. Remember the housing crisis? Banks calling back loans, foreclosing on assets, some where the ‘interest’ was being paid. Why? Because it was at risk. If the Wilpons got to the point that banks believed they would declare bankruptcy they would call in every loan they could in a instance. Surprised a financial whiz like you didn’t know this. So yes. Banks want balances and principles paid off, and they will stop at no means of collecting this principle if they fear bankruptcy.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Or even what we paid for Colon. I don’t think we should have given it to him either. I was thinking of the qualifying offer. But everyone can’t have it every way. They complain when money’s not spent, they complain when it is spent. That’s OK. But to badmouth the people who don’t agree with you is when it get ugly.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Yeah the values will be adjusted. Okay. And that is why the Milwaukee Bucks were just sold for $550M+. Because the value of professional sports franchises go down over time.

    The Mets will be worth more in 4 years than they are today…it is that simple.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Well then you might want to read the damn article that the writer wrote because he is basically savaging other Mets fans whom dont agree with his POV in regards to being a Mets fan.

  • guest

    Much experience in banking, my ridiculous new friend. More than you could imagine. Read post above. The one who has zero clue is you. No matter how many times you post or reply to me. You really are a fool.

  • Peter S

    Hawkins hasn’t exactly been the great reliever of all time. But he was great for the Mets and had a steady enough career to warrant a good contract. It makes me wonder if Sandy really believed this was a 90 win team when Hawkins would have been a much better option than anyone else for the 8th.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    COMMENT OF THE DAY!!!!

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Refute it if you like, but don’t beat up on the guy.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Yes and entities with positive cashflow and appreciating assets arent in jeopardy of bankruptcy.

    And in the housing crisis, the only loans that entered the foreclosure process were those that fell behind in their payments. Banks cant foreclose if an home loan is current.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Congratulations Jessep you accomplished what you set out for…..

    CLICKS!!!! RESPONSES!!!! & UPROAR!!!!

    You receive the NY POST award for Doing whatever it takes(besides quality) to get views.

    Mike Puma salutes you.

  • Hotstreak

    Yes. Jessep was crucified. I was both a helper when he had a valid point to him but a foe too. I am sort of that way to Jason Bay too. I enjoy dialogue with different opinions to try and reach a consensus. Pedros I am sure you remember our difference and we got that behind us.

  • guest

    Read again, and try to comprehend. I know its tricky. Baseball team values was inflated beyond the pale by the Dodgers sale. And now the Dodger’s total sale price is in jeopardy, the reduction of this sale will cause a similar reduction in the inflated values across baseball. So yes. The Mets value could potentially go down. Its called market correction. This time to a market anomaly.

  • guest

    Not even close to reality, but, heck, you never let that stop you from making an erroneous statement. We should do this again. Meeting to get to. Bye.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Man. All this bickering after five losing seasons. It would be like “The Warriors” out there if we got to real losing territory, a la Cubs and Pirates.

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/12332/the-warriors-o.gif

  • john q

    You can check these ages & numbers very quickly now because of the internet so it’s very shocking when you see those ages listed.

    What’s really odd is the sense of panic those team were built under almost like a “We have to win now” philosophy. They had Reyes & Wright who were very young all-stars making no money and Beltran in his prime under contract until 2011 so I really don’t get the mass acquisitions of 35+ year old players not to mention 41+ year old players.

    Even the 1983 Phillie Wheez kids only had Two 41+ players in Rose and Perez. Bill Robinson was 39 and played a few games and was gone in May of ’83. Ron Reed was 40 and pitched about 90 innings out of the bullpen. Those 2007 Mets relied on two 41+ year old starting pitchers who made up 1/2 of their top 4 starters. The left fielder was 41 the right fielder was 34. The second basemen was 37 replaced by another 37 year old. The First basemen was 35 backed up by a 48 year old and then a 41 year old. The catcher was a shot 35 year old ex steroid user backed up by a 31 year old and a then a 38 & 41 year old. The closer was 36 with a bunch of 33-37 year old ex steroid users in the bullpen.

    Maybe Minaya knew that the Madoff thing was going down and he was under quasi orders to “win now” before this thing all falls apart.

    Then I didn’t even get into the 2008 mess and the idiocy of constructing a humongous ballpark. Not to mention building a cavernous right field when their best young player (Wright) has very good right field power. “Should we build a part to accentuate or star young player’s opposite field power”?….Nah, let’s make it really hard for him to hit HR in his home ballpark.

  • rubagreta

    With respect to Hawkins, worst case scenario he finally aged out (which he hasn’t), and the Mets are out $2.5M, which is chump change. Compare that loss to Jason Bay, and hate to say it, the possibility of Curtis Granderson. And Hawkins is a great humble guy who had no interest in being the closer, but because a very effective closer.

  • Waz0787

    Amen brother. Bleed blue and orange

  • TPT

    i agree

  • Hotstreak

    The key point was Reyes had to be resigned or traded in ST once he proved to SA he was healthy. Reyes clearly said he preferred not to negotiate during the season. He was NOT traded or resigned and then why should he give up FA chasing ther BA title. Sandy said Reyes was just short term RENTAL solution to contending teams as he was a FA. But if he was offered to the new team at the start of the season (before ST ended) a negotiation sign and trade then we would of gotten at least market value for him and not a watered down pick..

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    You really think that was his goal? Clicks and responses is the goal of every MMO post. It’s the goal of MMO in general.

  • WillisReid

    That is one of the most bizarre movies I’ve ever seen. Clown faced baseball players, guys on roller skates, mimes. Even more bizarre is I’ve seen it at least a dozen times.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Hmmm. Clowns. Guys with bats. Mimes. Not unlike all of us here. haha

  • BarnRat

    Sorry to be late to the thread — I miss anything? 😉

  • Helloboy

    I agree with the last paragraph, it ends there with my agreements. While winning baseball will make you feel good, knowing that your team can easily remove glaring holes without even breaking the bank is something else.

    Why should we sit on our hands when we have the worst SS in the league and no viable closer? Should we just accept this without comment?

    I go to games, mainly because i love the team and my family and kids love seeing live baseball. I cheer loudly, but I am not going to sit here and also tolerate inaction with one of the lowest payrolls in the league.

    BTW, you do not need to sign Drew to a stupid contract. What do you consider stupid, anyway? Is 12M a year for the most important position in the field too much when you are living on fumes at the position right now? It is a matter of time until the SS position collapses as presently construed. Plus, there are teams that have stockpiles of SS, like we have of pitching and trades should not be that impossible to make… even for young, good SS.

    As for the letter you mention that went out, i do not care about it. It was a marketing ploy. I do not think it was worth anybody’s time to make an issue over it… it was a non-issue.

    As for the Cardinal comparison, it holds no water. During the time period you mention they had a guy under team control that happened to be the best hitter in the game for a long period of time. You can win with a limited payroll, but you have to have the right players for that to happen. The Mets lack the BP depth or the offensive punch at the same payroll. The Mets do not have a Prime of career Pulols or a quality SS like Eckstein. Their pitching was also under control and had 3 guys giving them 200 innings a year. they had 1 guy below 700 OPS in 2005!

    The Mets need more talent. Especially, at SS. They lack any offensive player that can carry the team as the Cardinals do. Do not compare payroll, when the young talent is so far better for one team. When you are like the Mets, and you do not have the young offensive talent to carry the team, you need to spend some more money to get that. It is that simple.

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    A mongo?
    Urinals?
    Same thing with you every time. Make a fly by bs statement and fail to address any challenge with facts to back it up.
    How about you entertain a mongo like me and just pick three statements he makes and dispute them with facts.
    Tool.

  • sperry

    A few games above .500 and all of a sudden the apologists come out. Incredible.

  • TPT

    ahhhh 2007 you bring back such wonderfull memories JB for those were the days so filled with fun and excitement AND THATS EXACTLY WHATS BEEN MISSING THE LAST 5 YEARS..afterall its a entertainment business we the fans pay to be entertained and its a profit maker for the owners..lets see the attendance that year was near 3.9 million so JB i guess the fans LOVED ALL THE OLD DUDES and we had a 7 game lead with just 17 to go but we blew it and every minute and newspaper had nothing but Willie Randolph stories and everyday we couldnt wait to see us finally come alive and win the N.L. east and everyday the Phillies crept closer and closer….OH THOSE WERE THE DAYS … thanks for reminding us what baseballs all about its a fan games and and a hella lot better than what were seeing today at least for the fans buck …

  • Helloboy

    i am still not sure what the point of the article even is. Fans should not want to fix issues that should be simple to fix? be happy when the team is winning and than panic when they are losing?

    The Mets have been good enough to have winning record to this point, it would be a good time to sure up the loose ends now to avoid collapses when those issues get exposed later.

    I think the author misunderstands. I think we are all happy the team is winning games… but, most do not want to stay status quo with glaring weaknesses that can bite us at some point.

  • Helloboy

    is this a pay per click advertisement?

  • KennyandtheMets

    Thanks. Good to know.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I’m sorry Joe D. I was just mad. I don’t really think that.

  • Rob

    Even now,Tejeda can’t touch Reyes as a player

  • MetsFAN660

    Amen! Thank you.

  • Hotstreak

    Kenny and Joe D. I screwed up too. Jessep was correct in his post saying differeces of opinion are tolerated.

  • Hotstreak

    Kenny is a great guy.

  • Denelor

    O downvote button, Downvote button. wherefore art though, down vote button?

  • jason bay

    August 2007

    Beltran -.338/.448/.704, 8 2B, 6 HR, 16 R, 23 RBI
    Delgado-253/.347/.425, 6 2B, 3 HR, 12 R, 19 RBI
    Reyes -.272/.341/.392, 4, 2B, 1 3B, 3 HR, 25 R, 8 RBI
    Wright – .394/.516/.667 8 2B,, 6 HR, 28 R, 21 RBI

    Sept 2007

    Beltran – . 282/.328/.455, 4 2B, 1 3B, 8 HR, 22 R, 27 RBI
    Delgado -.321/.383/.566, 1 2B, 4 HR, 8 R, 10 RBI (14 games)
    Reyes – .205/.272/..333, 7 2B, 1 3B, 2 HR, 18 R, 8 RBI
    Wright – .352/.432/.602, 9 2B, 6 HR, 21 R, 20 RBI.

  • jason bay

    True TPT but when missing the playoffs constitutes a large percentage of our “glory years” and the future was mortgaged to do so, you know there is a problem.

  • billpulsipher

    point of the article is accept losing and dont blame fred and jeff for destroying the franchise

  • Mikey Met

    Well done. I want the team to win but I also want it to be sustainable. And yes I want the team to be as strong as the yankees WERE, with a home grown core. Jeter, Posada, Mariano ect. The trick will be keeping the right players and adding to them when the time comes. We are still a New York team with more resources than St. Louis and the ability to sustain for a longer time.

  • MDonaldWilpon

    But that’s what Omar did to a fault- he went to the well once too often when he got lightning in a bottle. Jose Valentin, a brilliant 2006, a not so brilliant 2007, same with Fernando Tatis a couple of years later. It seemed like for 3 years after 2006, the mission statement was to win Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS; that and wait for Duaner Sanchez to come back healthy and give the Mets the 8th inning guy they really needed.

    The biggest blemish on the Mets has been the fact that they have developed 2 every day all star players since the mid 1990s and none since 2004. The pitching cupboard down below appears to be full, but again, the offensive players are years away.

  • guest

    Oh, no. Not the down vote. Please, please, please. Not the down vote. You tool. Down voting? Is that all that’s left for you? Sad, truly sad.

  • Spot on Jessup.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    That’s what everyone on here does to each other.

    “Oh, you don’t blame Sandy? You’re a Sandy Lover.”
    “We’ve been here! Sandy’s nine straight losing seasons! Richie 4-12-2! #TheCORE!”
    “Oh, you think we need to sign Jose Abreu? Spending money doesn’t solve everything!”

    That’s all this entire site is – fans “ravaging” each other over their points of view on what the Mets should do.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Seems like everyone has an issue with the author for criticizing Mets fans who don’t see things the same way as he does. But that’s all ANYONE does on this site!

    “Oh, you don’t blame Sandy? You’re a Sandy Lover.”

    “We’ve been here! Sandy’s nine straight losing seasons! Richie 4-12-2! #TheCORE!”

    “Oh, you think we need to sign Jose Abreu? Spending money doesn’t solve everything!”

    That’s all this entire site is – fans debating and bashing and teasing each other over their points of view on what the Mets should do.

    Why are we getting upset over yet another person expressing his POV? Don’t like it? Call him a “Sandy Lover” or an “apologist” or whatever and move along. It’s nothing new. Or hell, write your own post and offer a counter. But let’s not forget that the commonality among all opinions – whether you think they need to spend more or you like what they’re doing – is that you’re pissed off they’re losing year after year. In the end it’s all the same basic opinion.

  • jason bay

    The simple fact is that you cannot make up for the lack of work done in the farm system over a 15 year period (1999-2010) that included trading 8 future All stars (izzy, Mora, Everett, Bay, Cruz, Kazmir, Bell and Gomez) and losing numerous other young talented players (Scutaro, Payton, Smith, Lindstrom, Vargas) and then get nothing going forward for Fonzie, Leiter, Piazza, Floyd, Oliver, Wagner, Barajas and then re-sign (or pick up the options) on such aged type B’s as Valentin, Lo Duca, Alou, El-Duque, Delgado, Castillo and Tatis.

    That’s like a version of a Ponzi scheme only with young talent instead of money.

    The whole Wilpon Method is backward. They want to bring in the Vaughn’s, Alomar’s, Appier’s, Cedeno’s, Weather’s, Burnitz, Alou’s, Bay’s, FIRST, then try to build up the farm but they never get around to it.

    As John Q points out they had 16 players in 2007 that were 34 or older including 6 that were over 40.

    How long is that supposed to last? a year or two till the farm got here but there was NO FARM.

    Add in to that Delgado only driving in 10 runs in September of 2007 and there is no way you could win then or later with a team with that kind of age on it.

  • MDonaldWilpon

    As was brought up a few weeks ago, keep an eye on this… Cable/Satellite providers preferring a la carte pricing. If DirectTV can drop the Dodgers, I don’t think SNY stands a chance- in other words, there goes the collateral.

    http://www.scpr.org/blogs/economy/2014/04/28/16479/it-could-be-a-long-time-before-you-see-the-dodgers/

  • jessepmmo

    nom nom nom!

  • billpulsipher

    This would have been a better letter

    Dear Mets fans

    How DARE you expect us to spend money. How DARE you expect us to put a winning product on the field. How DARE you expect us to go out and sign the best available players. HOW DARE YOU expect a winning team. You are such greedy
    fans. If you want a winning team that spends money, go root for the Yankees or
    Red Sox or Dodgers. You are going to accept losing and LIKE IT, if not, go root
    for some other team. You are disloyal fans if you do not accept losing and
    support us.

    Sincerely

    Fred and Jeff and Sandy

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    And other fans here say you’re disloyal if you support what the Mets are doing, so what’s your point? Who’s right and who’s wrong?

  • skiplockweird

    Thank you for a well written article. We are who we are, and I am proud to be a Mets fan. This will sound stupid, and I am sure I will get a lot of heat for it, but I feel bad for Yankee fans. Anything short of WS victory is viewed as a failure. We are on the right track, and that is what matters. I could give a sh*t what anyone else thinks.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I will say I’m glad Marlon Byrd’s comments found their way to MMO. Didn’t think would happen.

  • Peter S

    Hence the lol part

  • Chance2

    Overall, I agree with what you say, and thank you for saying it. The Wilpons spent plenty before they were almost ruined, and their tenacity in holding onto the team should be admired.   

    And their rebuilding efforts are exactly  what we need for CONTINUING success.

    It’s also true that I would like to see fewer mistakes on all fronts, from player decisions to PR to uniform designs. 

    Yet it looks to me like running a baseball franchise is one of the most difficult jobs there is. Mistakes are waiting to be made at every turn, as  many elements need to be weighed for each decision – all the while holding the  welfare of scores of young men in their hands. And doing it all publicly.

    I think, for example, that it was a big mistake to not match the Rockies’ offer to LaTroy Hawkins. But clearly they give a lot of weight (as they should) to financial discipline, and they also probably felt they had a lot of young arms that they could count on, incorrectly it turns out.

    Also, I sometimes wonder if franchise owners realize what a huge role teams play in the lives of their die-hard fans. 

    But when all is taken into account, the grossly unfriendly know-it-all attitude of so many commentators and fans is downright disturbing.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    And what’s worse, they paid someone else to do it for them.

    https://twitter.com/AdamRubinESPN/statuses/462328006166720512

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    Are you, and I really hope I got this wrong, defending our owners?

  • metstastic

    Dish already dropped SNY last year.

  • sperry

    Oh my god make it stop. Just win. That’s literally all you have to do to get fans more involved.

  • SCarton12

    Exactly, how do you not obtain a starter when you know you have one of the best offenses in baseball? I think they set an artificial cap on payroll and cheaped out. They had crap as a 5th starter and absolutely no depth, yet they did nothing. Biggest FO mistake until the Nats FU with Strasburg. When you know you have a shot at a championship you gotta take it.

  • mets1973

    Please remember that in 1999 and 200 Nelson Doubleday owned a 50% share of the team. Without Doubleday there would have been no Piazza and no playoffs.

  • jdon48

    You can say that the Wilpons are not cheap–I buy that. I actually believe that there is no money and have said so. But you cannot say that they are not baseball stupid. I won’t call them everyday stupid because madoff screwed a lot of people who might have been intelligent. But they are baseball ignoramuses.

  • elsid1986

    “If its going to take more than winning baseball to get you to feel good about the Mets” No. But its going to take a helluva lot more than 1 winning month.

  • Macdaddy

    Nice attempt at a rant…a bit lacking when compared to a Dennis Miller type rant but a rant nonetheless. My take on the organization goes to my own belief in the “Common Thread Theory”…which is…the only common thread for anyone during their lifetime is themself. It’s not a person, place, thing, event, occurence…or whatever you want to add to the mix/sentence/statement…at the end of the day it is always YOU.

    Such is the case for the Mets and the 50 plus years of occassional joy disbursed amongst the decades of struggle and bewilderment. Thus that common thread is Fred Wilpon…and to suggest anything other than that since 1980 is not understanding the results and who pulls the strings. He is the owner and the persona that has lead this organization. Thus Fred is not an Auggie Bush or Bill DeWitt…and your comparision using the Cardinals omits a key element.

    I get your point about “Don’t Fixate on Fixing the Mets” but you do realize we are not the ones fixating on fixing the Mets. We might discuss the issues and problems but the problem solver is in fact, Fred Wilpon. As such, good old Fred is the one that is performing all this made science that has/is producing the monster we call the Mets. So in lieu of telling the fan base to stop raising the issue about the qaulity of the product on the field, why not compose a letter to Fred and his brain trust asking them to heed your words?

  • Hotstreak

    Quit the contrary. He can take insults better than anybody BUT he seems to be asking for them.

  • MyasDaddy

    I literally want to throw up. “Their tenacity in holding onto the team should be admired.” Oy vey

  • TPT

    dude who cares? WE WON WITHOUT A FARM BEING OUR MAIN SOURCE OF MAJOR LEAGUE TALENT BECAUSE WE WEREN’T BROKE and we won and we filled seats and we rocked Shea and 3.9 million people in 2007 loved the way we operated.. JB you truly don’t get it and this new build from within and dont spend a dime ISNT A NEW REVELATION its what you do when you when you get GREEDY and you lose your A** IN A PONZI SCHEME so you hire a FO to sell it to the fans because YOU NO LONGER CAN ACT LIKE A BIG MARKET TEAM AND FILL YOUR TEAM WITH STAR POWER year after year and AND DRAW FANS TO THE TUNE OF 3.5 TO 4 MILLION. EVERY YEAR TO A OLD FILTHY STADIUM .and not every team wins every year when you build from within and we didn’t win every year back then either.. but we were picked to win and it in most years and we got our moneys worth …YOU TOTALLY FORGET ITS entertainment….GIVES US STARS AND WE WILL COME win or lose and drop this dumb being good for years to come you can do the same when you have money only difference is you get your money worth

  • Macdaddy

    I’m not exactly at the heaving point but I hear ya bro…in simple terms you can’t fix stupid. What makes it worse is when the stupid believe they are smart, are cast in roles that allow them to make decisions and they keep doing dumb things despite what the outcomes produce.

    This isn’t insantiy either, where you do the same things over and over with the hope for different results…no this is pure stupidity, ego and arrogance.

  • john q

    Yeah, you’re spot on about Omar going back to the well too often and doubling down all the time. You’re also spot on about him going overboard and obsessing about things after the fact. You’re right the mission statement for the 2007 team was to go back in time and win game 6 of the 2006 NLCS.

    The mission statement of the 2008 team was to go back in time and prevent the September 2007 collapse from happening. Moises Alou was 42 and basically missed all of June/July and most of May in ’07, who cares he hit .400 in September, let’s give him $7 million for ’08. El Duque was 42 and only made 1 game start in September of ’07 and got shelled….Better give him $7 million for ’08. Second Base was a problem in ’07, better give Castillo $24 million over 4 years. Starting pitching was a problem September ’07, better trade 4 players including Carlos Gonzalez and give Johan a $130 million dollar contract (what could go wrong).

    Then after the ’08 collapse he obsessed on a closer because the Mets didn’t have one for the last 2 months.

    No closer for Aug/Sept ’08, better trade Jason Vargas, Joe Smith and Mike Carp plus Chavez, Heilmann, Carrerra, and Cleto for an “Injured” J.J. Putz. I think he was day to day for two months. Good thing they put Mike Adams on waivers in ’06 and gave away Heath Bell for nothing.

    Better get another closer so we’ll sign K-Rod for $34 million (what could go wrong) and then we’ll give up our first round draft pick (Mike Trout).

    It would be interesting to go back and see how many players ended their major league careers with those 2007-08 Mets.

    2008 was just a comedy of errors with the Willie Randolph firing and the Ryan Church concussion fiasco. Players were “day to day” for 2 months and then never played again.

    The 2008 Mets actually had 11 different left fielders: Tatis, Murphy, Chavez, M. Anderson, N. Evans, Pagan, Alou, Nixon, Aquilla, B. Clark and A. Phillips. That most be some type of modern record. And Barry Bonds was available. Blacklisted? noooo? We don’t want a guy surrounded by PED allegations,….except for Lo Duca, Mota, Schoenweiss, Shawn Green etc.

    Then that team had 5 different catchers: Schneider, Castro, Casanova, Cancel, and G. Molina. That must be another record for a team with 89 wins.

    I really can’t believe Minaya didn’t get fired after that season. He must have had just an incredible relationship with the media.

  • Macdaddy

    Nelson grew so frustrated and exhausted with the insipid musings of Fred that he could run away any faster to exit the partnership.

  • MyasDaddy

    I literally starting banging my head against a wall. I have such disdain for the Wilpons that I will NEVER give them credit for anything. My boycott of Citi Field is going on 2 years…

  • jason bay

    Sorry TPT,

    The excitement lasted for a few years but what happened is that we won one post season appearance, fell short a couple more times and then imploded under injury, bloat, roster clogs, albatross deals and no farm system.

    Regardless of Madoff these measures would have had to be taken at some point because as soon as you plugged a hole (or thought you had), two or three new ones would spring up.

    I think people under estimate the value in having had Reyes here from June 2003-Sept 2011 and Wright here from 2004-the present or Alfonzo from 1995-2002 and Ordonez from 1996-2002.

    That is a lot of continuity and production which affords the farm system time to develop elsewhere and provide chips to trade for where you have weaknesses.

    Without those players, 1999 and 2006 do not happen. If we had a few more of them A LOT more might have occurred and for a longer time.

  • TPT

    ughhhhh JB thats all i can say except LGM

  • Escher

    The people who want to sign Drew are the same ones ripping SA for signing Granderson. Last year it was all “Why don’t they spend money on a big OF bat.” The article is right on point.

  • Oh wow, so this was actually a Madison Avenue production and not a sincere appeal from those players. Lovely.

  • WillisReid

    That has as more to do with the cost of them carrying it that it does the quality of Mets baseball.

  • Macdaddy

    Honestly, I just give up…for me it’s this nostalgic connection to the game and oddly this team. It’s like your first girl friend or kiss…I didn’t marry her but I remember the moment and that can’t be replaced. The same can be said for the Mets…I’m not married to this team but this was my first team loyalty. Tough to shake that when in 69 it morphed into a WS Championship…in simple terms I was screwed for life…hahaha.

  • Macdaddy

    FYI…Skip…and with all due respect…most of us don’t give a sh*t what you think either. Just kidding, Dude…it was tee’d up so I had to swing at it.

  • TPT

    correct and with it went the “glory days”

  • Joey D.

    Hi Peter,

    As most know, I think Sandy considered saving $1 million for Sterling Mets more important than spending $1 million for the New York Mets. That’s all it comes down to. It’s not that he won’t spend as it is he is looking to save.

  • jason bay

    LGM Man!

  • Chance2

    That’s one element of the story.

    I think many people here could admire someone for not just folding up while facing ruin – if they could see past their anger about how the team is handled.

  • TPT

    have a good weekend man lets take 3 from from the Rockies

  • mikefichera

    The Mets have done pretty well considering how awful the offense has been – but if the offense continues to sputter the team is going to falter and it can get very ugly very fast. So I still think the Mets should have spent some more money on the team. Maybe not on Drew, but why didn’t they get their intended target in Peralta. Out bid by the cardinals? come on. The Cardinals revenues are apparently significantly lower that they receive extra draft picks as a form of revenue sharing yet we get out bid by them?

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    Thought this was great. Thanks Jessup.

  • Phoenix Met

    Since this is your response, I think it’s clear you were trolling with the article. Well played.

  • jason bay

    You too Bro!

    Then we’ll go grab some Marlin and smoke it at the Shake Shack.

  • jason bay

    This Dude ^^^^^ up there is a Minada supporter who insists on building through international free agency and makes up lies and distortions about David Wright because of non baseball reasons. It’s called an agenda, which he and he alone has for entirely non baseball reasons.

  • billpulsipher

    if it was up to fred, alberto castillo would have been the everyday catcher in 1999 and 2000

  • jessepmmo

    yes, or I’ve been dealing with this kind of response since 2009 and realize there is no sense in having a rational conversation with certain people…. either or

  • TPT

    lmao ok sounds good bud

  • NewYorkMammoths

  • NeedNewOwners

    Thanks for writing, Mr Alderson. The Wilpons are criminals and they spent ill gotten funds on the team. They are liars and manipulators and hired a master liar to run their team. Your article is essentially pointless pandering to these crooks. HOW DARE YOU BLAME THE FAN BASE FOR ANYTHING!

  • NeedNewOwners

    Btw, Marlon Byrd is a cheater, and I take no stock in what comes out of his cheating mouth. He has the same rotten morals of the pig owners you amazingly choose to defend. Your article sickens me.

  • NeedNewOwners

    You have respect for a PED cheater? Too bad.

  • Waz0787

    Burn in hell wilpons

  • NeedNewOwners

    And Alderson, extra crispy. This guy who wrote this junk cannot be serious. I would rather read one of those nerdy obnoxious boy Connor OBrien articles telling all of us fools that rbi’s and RS don’t mean anything.

  • Phoenix Met

    As a long time reader, albeit a rare commenter, I’d say your wounds are mostly self-inflicted.

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    This is terrible, sorry MMO, and I usually like the pieces on this site.

    To the author, why no mention of how the Wilpons are making money off SNYs profits and pocketing it, instead of putting it back into the team?? Do you not understand the entire situation or did you just not do your due dillegence?

    The wilpons might’ve spent years ago, but what they’ve done in recent history is criminal. And I’m not saying that with emotion, I’m saying it’s actually criminal what they doing, the wilpons should be in jail

  • jason bay

    Well throw a few of them down for us to check out along with Delgado’s, Beltran’s and Reyes’.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Thanks for this, my friend.

  • OMG Would you mind if I use that in a post? I love it!

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    You’ve just described modern political discourse.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Feel free!

  • jason bay

    Those totals were DURING THE PENNANT RACE. Delgado had 10 RBI in Sept 2007 and your complaining about Wright who had twice as many? EACH RUN COUNTS BUDDY ESPECIALLY WITH SUCH A SIEVE FOR A BULLPEN.

    Wright also out RBI’d Delgado in August 28-19, July 22-14, June 16-12, May 22-20. April Delgado had 12, Wright 6 so call it 5-1 Wright and that is in Delgado’s sweetspot. Forget about runs scored, SB’s and defense.

    I mean really which would prefer?

    .258/.333/.448, 30 2B, 24 HR’s, 87 RBI OR
    .325/.416/.546, 42 2B’s, 1 3B, 30 HR’s, 107 RBI?

    If Delgado had hit in 2007 there wouldn’t have even BEEN a pennant race.

  • Brian D.

    Since when is Bartolo Colon a character guy? He was suspended in 2012 for PED’s.

  • Peter S

    So the Wilpons are criminal for losing $26m a year and not taking the SNY profits and putting it into the business? They are criminal for paying Johan and Jason Bay to never actually do anything for the franchise? And they are criminal for actually fielding a winning baseball team that while flawed is light years ahead of where they wer last year. Are they criminal for being fiscally responsible? How exactly are they criminal?

  • NeedNewOwners

    They were in bed with and complicit with Madoff’s scheme of stealing many millions of dollars. Anybody who doesn’t believe that is very naive.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    This article can be summed up in three words: Acceptance of Mediocrity.

  • I love that movie!

  • jason bay

    The only thing that will fix the Mets is to fix the farm system.

    Once that gets done we will no longer see players like Coleman, Appier, Cedeno, Weathers, Alou, Wagner, K Rod, and Bay as being worthy of giving up draft picks for AND we will no longer feel the need to trade for players that are past their primes like Vaughn, Burnitz, Alomar, Hildago, Bell, Church, Schneider, Green, GMJ or sign players like Schoenweis, Ledee, Brady Clark, Nixon, Gerald Williams, Feliciano, Sullivan or keep putting infielders in the OF like Hundley, Murphy, Duda, Evans and Arias.

    It takes time when there has been such severe neglect over a 15 period to get it up and running but it is starting to come. In a couple years if the whole thing isn’t blown apart for another waste of a roster space we will have the guys who make it from Vegas, Binghamton and St. Lucie up here and pieces to trade on top of it.

    They will be joining Harvey, Wheeler, Niese, Gee, Mejia,TDA, Lagares, Familia, Torres, German and we will be going to war with a stacked deck and solid reinforcements that are currently in Savannah, Brooklyn, Kingsport, the GCL and the DSL.

  • WillisReid

    Can you dig it?

  • BarnRat

    That would be billions

  • jason bay

    Those numbers are a complete and total lie and anyone who checks the draft round by round on baseball-reference,com will be able to easily spot that.

    2007 1st and supplemental round 59% “made it.”
    2006 1st and supplemental round 72% “made it.”
    2005 1st and supplemental round 77% “made it.”
    2004 1st and supplemental round 80% “made it.”
    2003 1st and supplemental round 72% “made it”
    2002 1st and supplemental round 72% “made it.”

    Now there are certainly varying degrees of “making it” but included here are some of the biggest stars of all time and some who didn’t make it were still traded for something worthwhile.

    Only the biggest FOOL around would ignore the importance of the MLB draft, along with IFA because that is where 99.9% of the stars come from before their available at the 3rd hand fish market down the road for ten times the money with glazed eyes, rancid smell and no discount for the flies all over them.

    If you have to make up lies in order to defend your opinion then ’nuff said.

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    What a well reasoned response. Marked by real intelligence. Your grasp of the language is inspiring.

    Out of curiosity, did you even read this piece? How about you pick out three statements and rebut them with something other than “Sandy bad! You suck!!!! Ahhhhhh!•

    So interesting to have you here today. Today being the day after yesterday. Wink wink.

  • jason bay

    Well then get off your lazy *** and throw some down, along with those for Delgado and Reyes.

  • Erin_II

    Hey look, it’s the racist troll Jimmy_BX. Haven`t you already been owned and banished from here?

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    I want to cry after reading that.

  • Peter S

    Oh I see. Court of law means nothing. Court of MetsMerized means everything. Got it.

  • goorru

    Maybe like a cartoon character.

  • goorru

    So you agree with Jessup, you think the owners are fine, the problem is the fans?

  • Peter S

    Glory days? Come on. That was a joke, right?

  • goorru

    What are you talking about severe neglect of the farm system? Harvey, Niese, Mejia, Lagares, Familia, German are all from the so called neglected farm system. The farm system is STILL is devoid of high quality position players.

  • Peter S

    So by his definition, every person that lost money with madoff, who at one time actually profited, are criminals for being in bed and complacent with a guy who swindled everybody out of millions. Excuse me, billions! God forbid if we actually blame the guy who is currently in jail.

  • Peter S

    Acceptance by who? Up until last year the mets payroll was over $140. And they were LOSING money as a franchise while trying to win a title that mets fans all were dying for after how close they got in 2006. They built a ballpark that was supposed to be packed by those same rabid fans. The same fans who boo players for being in a slump (I am guilty). And now us fans don’t go to the games because we want to see stars, not home grown players that struggle at first. Now Sandy has come in, and this is coming from a non Sandy guy, and put this team in a position to contend for the next 10 years. And mets fans are still not happy because they didn’t spend $100m this year. Yet the Mets can’t even draw 30,000 fans in a city of nearly 8.5 milion people. No one is accepting mediocrity.

  • jason bay

    Gee, Murphy and Parnell are too but lets us not pretend that that we have developed a number of superstars, a few above average starters, bench depth and a bullpen.

    What we have gotten out of the draft since 2001 is far below what the average team does, Every team in MLB develops a Niece, Gee, Parnell and Murph. Teams with top 10 picks usually do get a Pelfrey AND a Harvey out of it.

    Lagares is certainly a positive as hopefully Flores and Puello will but they just got here or haven’t even gotten up yet. Mejia, Familia and German haven’t impacted seasons prior to this one and I was talking about a 15 year period and primarialy the draft.

  • goorru

    Well Sandy has yet to draft any superstars, he’s passed on them.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Unfortunately.

  • wilponzi

    Hopefully with a similar owner situation as well

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Haha. Oh please, Mr. Holier Than Though. I’m sure you liked those home runs he hit for us.

  • jessepmmo

    I do think there is a mis understandment on his PED usage… to be honest I feel his surgery (which was illegal in USA by the way) needed the PED he took and it is what it is. Not saying it’s right but, I do believe that what he did is no different than say blood spinning or something like that

  • jessepmmo

    Hi, thank you for reading. My commentary was based on what the main stream writes about: not spending $, e-blasts etc.

    I disagree on the fact they should be in jail though, I think that is unfair

  • jessepmmo

    except they were found to be not complicit in the scheme?

  • jessepmmo

    http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/marlon-byrd-not-hiding-ped-mistake

    Read that before you go calling a guy a cheater for the sake of being bold

  • jessepmmo

    That’s not really what I said. You know that right? My problem is the fans who cry over an e-blast or uniforms… there’s a difference between fans who are die hard and fans who think an e-blast means…anything

  • Brian D.

    He was also involved in the biogenesis scandal.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Simply put the Mets need more offense and a change of offensive philosophy. The Mets desperately need a cleanup hitter like Stanton. The fact that on any given day we run so many guys batting below the Mendoza line is an indictment of the organizational philosophy on hitting. Met suck at BA, OBP, SLG…but Mets walk a lot. Coaches in little league say a walk is as good as a hit to kids that cant hit

  • RyanF55

    Haha I don’t think that was me . Maybe it was.

  • john q

    Yeah, it’s kind of shocking how many 41+ year old players were on that team. And I think there was something like (14) 35 year old players. That just shows how things have changed as far as steroids and amphetamines.

    I think it looks like Franco was signed to act as a clubhouse spy for Omar. Franco was also good friends with Tony Bernazard from his days in Cleveland.

    Julio Franco has an odd distinction of being a teammate with at least one player from every Met playoff team:

    1969 Team: Tug McGraw (1982 Phillies), Nolan Ryan (1989-93 Rangers).

    1973 Team: Tug McGraw (1982 Phillies).

    1986 Team: Kevin Mitchell (1997 Indians)

    1988 Team: Mark Careon (1997 Indians), Edwin Nunez (1992 Rangers),

    1999 Team: Orel Hershiser (1997 Indians), Robin Ventura (1994 White Sox), Dennis Cook (1994 White Sox), Rick Reed (1993 Rangers), Kenny Rogers (1989-93 Rangers).

    2000 Team: Robin Ventura (1994 White Sox), Dennis Cook (1994 White Sox), Rick Reed (1993 Rangers), Mike Hampton (2003-2005 Braves), Rick White (1999 Devil Rays), David Lamb (1999 Devil Rays.

    2006 Team: He was a member.

  • MetsWatchman

    Making excuses for the Wilpons wasn’t even what this article was about, only your interpretation of it. It was more about grading the level of effectiveness, and the impact on winning that spending truly has on a ball club. And how so many fans think that spending is a quick fix. As far as making excuses for the owners, it was quite the contrary. The author actually stated that these owners don’t win even when they have spent money in the past. Translation: they make poor business decisions, spend their money unwisely, and are not capable of operating a successful franchise. The author actually exposed them for what they are. So please, just because you make not like Sandy, or generally have differences of opinion with this particular writer, you should really read the article.

  • jason bay

    The wrist was injured on the last day of the season Chicheron so why couldn’t he make it onto the field in a pennant race?

    Not being on the field when your team is in a pennant race means your are unproductive. Wagner and Pedro were also out during most (or all) of that race. Does that mean that they were productive?

    How does one game log prove your point about Wright? I can post game logs where Ruth, Mantle, Clemente, Bonds and Ortiz went 0-4 but at least they were on the field during pennant races unlike Delgado.

    Some help he was in 2007 and his defense sucked and his base running a joke when he did manage to make it onto the field.

    His performance against the Marlins was really special in both 2007 and 2008.

  • skiplockweird

    Funny is funny! Well played!

  • Macdaddy

    Hahaha…having a sense of humor is a prerequisite to being a Mets fan. If you don’t well you will lose your mind.

  • jason bay

    How do you know that?

    Only a handful of college selections have even made the Majors from the 2011-2012 draft and we took HS kids.

    Results won’t even be in for a few years and don’t confuse being in the Majors quickly with being an impact player.

    Remember Pelfrey? Milledge? Fern?

  • skiplockweird

    No doubt. LGM

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Can you Imagine where this team would be if they could spend money to pick up a couple good free agents to augment this home grown talent? Its not that I’m upset that Sandy is rebuilding the farm system. I’m upset that the owners are two broke to run a ML franchise in the largest media market in the country; and those owners are too prideful to sell a team they cant afford to run properly.

  • Peter S

    Do you have any actual proof to back that statement up? Because if so, you should have given it to Picard.

  • joeythew

    Please don’t use the Cardinals as a comparison. For a majority of that time (2001-2011) they had putrid teams in Chicago, Pittsburgh and to an extent Houston – that they beat up on for 57 games a year. They didn’t have to spend more than the $89 million they averaged to easily win that division. If they were in the NL East they would have spent more because they would not have made the playoffs with the Braves, Phillies, and Mets in their division.

  • Peter S

    Other than Tejada, who has to be absolutely replaced? Duda is proving to be an average option. Of course is rather Albert Pujols, but let’s be real.

  • Guest

    If so, how did he win 18 games last year? It took him the entire season to do so.

  • Brian D.

    He was linked in the scandal, but he wasn’t suspended.

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/athletics/colon-faces-potential-suspension-past-ped-use

  • fedupfan13

    It’s a Wilpon defending article……what the hell are we suppossed to write

  • jason bay

    Yeah that’s why the Mets affiliates are among the highest scoring teams in baseball.

  • jason bay

    They also won two World Series and got to another but they normally only had one of Houston, Milwaukee or the Cubs to deal with at a time.

    In the East Miami and Montreal/Washington weren’t all world beaters either and Atlanta had about 5 years where they didn’t qualify for the playoffs too

  • jason bay

    Jason Bay ring a bell?

    These days FA’s bust more often then they hit and even when they’re OK they don’t produce at the levels that got them their deal.

  • jason bay

    Your a fruitcake.

  • SkillSets

    Kool-Aid post. Send it to Cerrone.

  • SkillSets

    I personally don’t like Kool-Aid.

  • bostongregg

    ummmmm….I’m not even sure what this means…..does the part “don’t you dare, ever to question my disdain for this ownership” suggest that I’m drinking the Kool-Aid? I’m just confused by what you might mean.

  • 2006 was 8 years ago. Eight years of empty promises and lies.