MMO Game Recap: Yankees 4, Mets 0

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The Mets took on the Yankees on Wednesday night in the first game of two at Citi Field during the 2014 Subway Series and the third game of the series overall.

On the night of phenom Rafael Montero’s big league debut, the Mets were up against a difficult task; attempting to hand Masahiro Tanaka his first professional loss in about two years.

In the first inning, Montero allowed a bloop single to Brett Gardner but kept his composure and retired the next three batters in order. In the latter half of the first inning, with Daniel Murphy having reached first base on a single to left field, David Wright drove a ball to the track that would have surely been out of Yankee Stadium but ultimately was caught by Alfonso Soriano. This would be the most offensive noise the Mets would make all game as they recorded just three hits after the first inning.

Montero walked the first batter of his big league career in the top of the second inning and with two outs and Solarte on first, Brian Roberts laced a line drive to left fielder Eric Young Jr. who haphazardly dove for a ball he probably should not have; a mistake that was even more magnified with Tanaka on deck and defensive whiz Juan Lagares riding the pine in favor of EY.

Fast forward to the top of the fourth inning when Montero had the chance to complete a 1-2-3 frame for the third straight inning but fell short once again when Yangervis Solarte ripped a frozen rope down the right field line for a solo home run. Brian Roberts followed with his second triple of the night but the inning eventually came to a close after Tanaka grounded out  to Daniel Murphy.

Chris Young led off the bottom of the fifth inning by ripping a line drive through the hole on the left side but was eventually erased on a careless play where he tried to catch Tanaka sleeping by stealing second base before the pitch was thrown.

Mark - Teixeira

Mark Teixeira spoiled Rafael Montero’s sixth and final inning of the night with a towering leadoff home run to right center field. However, Montero retired the next three batters in order to cap an otherwise decent start. In six innings pitched, Montero allowed three earned runs on five hits and two walks while striking out three.

Carlos Torres came on in the top of the seventh inning to replace Rafael Montero and retired the first two batters before Brett Gardner beat out a slow chopper to Murphy on a close play. He then stole second and advanced to third on a wild pitch. Derek Jeter then hit a weak ground ball about five or so feet in front of home plate that Anthony Recker adamantly called for but Carlos Torres refused to get out of the way of. Recker’s throw to first was off line as a result and Jeter ended up with an RBI.

The mental mistakes the Mets made tonight proved a moot point as Masahiro Tanaka handled the Mets offense with ease. He allowed just four hits in a complete game shutout, striking out eight without walking a batter.

Overall, it was not a bad first start at all for Montero as he only allowed seven baserunners in his six innings. His main problem was the inability to put hitters away as multiple Yankee hitters repeatedly fouled off his two strike offerings. He also left a few fastballs up in the zone with Solarte and Teixeira making him pay. However, Montero’s performance was definitely something to build on.

The Mets will take on the Yankees at Citi Field tomorrow night at 7:10 PM for the final game of the 2014 Subway Series. Jacob deGrom will make his big league debut for the Mets while Chase Whitley makes his first start of the season for the Yankees.

MMO

  • MikeBedlam

    Montero did fine out there. A Quality Start in your MLB debut is nothing to shake a stick at.

    For reference, I pulled the stats for every player that has had their MLB debut with the Mets (as a SP) since 2008:

    deGrom vs NYY 5/15/14:
    Montero vs NYY 5/14/14: 6.0IP,3R,3ER,5H,2HR,2BB, 3K,108P
    Wheeler @ ATL 6/18/13: 6.0IP,0R,0ER,4H,0HR,5BB, 7K,102P
    Familia @ MIA 10/01/12: 4.0IP,0R,0ER,1H,0HR,6BB, 3K, 75P
    McHugh vs COL 8/23/12: 7.0IP,0R,0ER,2H,0HR,1BB, 9K,100P
    Harvey @ ARI 7/26/12: 5.1IP,0R,0ER,3H,0HR,3BB,11K,106P
    Hefner vs SD 5/24/12: 3.2IP,6R,6ER,9H,0HR,0BB, 3K, 73P
    Schwinden vs ATL 9/08/11: 5.0IP,5R,5ER,8H,1HR,1BB, 4K,100P
    Valdes vs WAS 10/02/10: 5.1IP,1R,1ER,3H,1HR,4BB, 5K, 97P
    Gee @ WAS 9/07/10: 7.0IP,1R,1ER,2H,1HR,3BB, 4K, 86P
    Mejia @ CHC 9/04/10: 5.0IP,4R,4ER,8H,0HR,2BB, 2K, 97P
    Takahashi vs NYY 5/21/10: 6.0IP,0R,0ER,5H,0HR,1BB, 5K,101P
    Parnell @ SD 8/08/09: 2.1IP,2R,2ER,4H,0HR,3BB, 1K, 68P
    Knight @ WAS 9/17/08: 5.0IP,2R,2ER,6H,0HR,4BB, 5K, 98P
    Niese @ MIL 9/02/08: 3.0IP,5R,5ER,7H,1HR,4BB, 2K, 73P

    This group of stats is useful for one thing and one thing only. MLB debuts are practically meaningless in determining if you’re a viable MLB-caliber starter. If I missed anything in that group, let me know.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Jose Abreu hit a three-run home run in the eighth inning to help give the White Sox a 4-2 win over the Athletics on Wednesday.

    The Cuban slugger has now hit 15 homers in his first 42 MLB games, posting a ridiculous .620 slugging percentage as well. He leads the American League in home runs, RBI (41) and slugging percentage, and is fourth in runs scored (28) and OPS (.941).

    THANKS SANDY

  • Nice job!

  • I posted this on the other thread but Tanaka looks legit and reminds me of Brandon Webb.
    Everything down with great movement.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Was only a matter of time before he goes on the DL…There are 3 things in life that are certain
    1.Death
    2.Taxes
    3.TDA will go on the DL

    this dude should NOT be a catcher…and I dont want to hear the freak injury madness. If a guy gets injured EVERY YEAR at some point the injuries arent freaky he is the freak

    D'Arnaud will have another test tomorrow. Said there's concern.— Matt Ehalt (@MattEhalt) May 15, 2014

  • Hindsight is 20/20. Mets couldn’t afford to take a risk on an unknown player like that, literally and figuratively.

  • MikeBedlam

    Thanks. The last few innings gave me a bit of undisturbed time to look at the stats. Thought I’d share them.

  • LIMetfan22

    Yeah totally his fault Soriano hit him in the back of the head.

    You’re mentally ill

  • This is awesome. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

  • Monix

    Exactly. But it doesn’t matter how many times you try telling the Abreu trolls that, they bring it up anytime he ever does anything good.

  • Congrats to Montero on his MLB debut. The kid held his own kept his team in the game and got his MLB debut out of the way. He looked poise out there. You would never guess it was his MLB debut.

    Just give him a chance to grow and develop.

  • Waz0787

    McHugh over EYJ

  • Waz0787

    Degrom is pitching a shutout tomorrow

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Its not hindsight if everyone said it at the time….this is an ITOLD YOU SO POST 😉 NOT A……….WE SHOULDVE

    LOL

    THANKS SANDY

  • mets4lyfe

    Mets were no match for Master Hero

  • metsman

    I heard Tanaka threw Warthen the game ball and said not bad for a Chinaman eh?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    HE ALWAYS DOES SOMETHING GOOD

    HE MIGHT BE THE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR AND MVP IN THE SAME SEASON LOL

  • MikeBedlam

    My pleasure. MMO serves knowledge and opinion to me every day of the week. Happy to add to it.

  • Monix

    And using all caps lock somehow drives that point home more?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Says the L.I. race baitor lol

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    YES!!!

    HEHEHEHE

  • mets4lyfe

    I remember Niese’s 1st start. The first batter that Niese faced hit a HR off of him. I believe it was Rickie Weeks leading off the 1st.

  • willywater88

    I entered the season with neutral feelings for TC. After enduring his constant flip flopping at first base, his contradictions in selecting who to play in the OF, his absurdity in naming a new closer every other series and now his backtracking on the SS situation, I would like to officially apply for membership into the THROW TERRY UNDER THE BUS COMMITTEE.

    Other than that, good job Montero and hats off to Tanaka.

  • It is, in fact, hindsight because, at the time, these stats did not exist yet. Check and mate.

  • Bobby O

    BTW- Kyle the one to get the axe

  • MikeBedlam

    Exactly. I remember it as well. That start was the reason I went all the way back to ’08. It didn’t feel like that long ago, but I clearly remembered it happening.

  • fedupfan13

    But these guys said this before abreu played. So basically they are just saying that abreu is doing what they thought he would and that’s why they wanted the Mets to sign him. Saying the Mets couldn’t risk the money on an unknown even further makes their point because the owners being broke is the main complaint. So what is your point other than beating up your fellow fans for not agreeing with the criminal owners?

  • Waz0787

    Wtf farnsworth gone? That bum valverde should in unemployment line first

  • willywater88

    Did Tanaka exchange greetings with his idol Dice K at all?

  • MikeBedlam

    Do you think that McHugh ever would’ve been able to figure it out in Queens like he possibly seems to have with the Astros?

  • mets4lyfe

    Then he threw 8 shut-out innings against the AAAA Braves in his next start.

    ah, 2008.

  • Warranted.

  • ed charles

    We had nothing at first base. Zero. He cost nothing in terms of prospects or draft picks. You sound like a Royals fan.

  • Waz0787

    He was never given an opportunity

  • There were as much criticism of Abreu as there was praise. He wasn’t a perfect “prospect” at the time.

  • jason bay

    Abreu is just one of dozens of guys we could find a place in the lineup for.

    1B -Goldschmidt, Belt, Craig, Freeman
    SS – Escobar, Simmons, Sardinas, Alberto, Boegarts, Hardy, Owings, Iglesis, Hak Ju Lee, Crawford, Hanson

    OF Stanton, McCutchen, Pederson, Polanco, Austin Jackson, Tyler Austin, Yelich, Eaton, Marisnick, Trout and dozens of other guys we could have had

    THANKS OMAR

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Thank you….You win this thread

  • We actually had two first baseman, which is two more than zero.

  • fedupfan13

    Not to defend other guys that I don’t always agree with. But hind site means that he didn’t say it before the guy produced, but is now using the results while pretending he knew it all along. In fact, he wanted the guy before he played and said he would be good. The numbers back his opinion not vice versa

  • Perhaps Kyle was more likely to pass through waivers and report to AAA?

    Besides I think they both will be gone soon and I trusted Valverde more than Fransworth anyway.

  • Monix

    Because bringing it up in every thread somehow will force Wilpon to sell the team? Please, it becomes tiresome. It’s worse than the Ike Davis crowd if he ever actually did anything.

  • MikeBedlam

    This gave me a chuckle. Apparently, Google is where TC gets his descriptions of his players.

  • fedupfan13

    The front office is suppossed to get these right. What good does it do you as a fan for defending their mistakes?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    lmao….If I say hey Abreu is going to be a stud BEFORE he plays a game and he goes out and does it….That isnt hindsight genius….LMFAO….Its called FORESIGHT

    OH MY………………..LOL

  • Monix

    I wanted the guy too but I don’t come in here and cry about it every day. That ship has sailed.

  • Waz0787

    I dont like Valverde.

  • metsfansince64

    Actually, Farnsworth has pitched less and less effectively as time goes on. Whereas Valverde, after totally falling apart, has picked it up a bit – witness the two decent innings tonight. Though I think he’ll be the next to go.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    NO YOU DIDNT

    CAPS

  • jason bay

    Lot of good hitters we could have drafted or signed from 2002 – 2010 but we only got one and traded him naturally.

  • Farnsie outrighted to AAA. Didn’t see that coming

  • fedupfan13

    I agree with you. I wish I could talk baseball on here. The problem is the owners being broke is what fuels every decision made by this franchise. It leads to lies constantly. People have a hard time with it

  • I’m not defending anything, I’m just criticizing using Abreu’s current stats of a reason the Mets should have signed him in the offseason. Should the Mets have signed him in the offseason if they had the money? Maybe. But they already had two (albeit mediocre) first basemen. If you want my true opinion, I wasn’t mad at all when the Mets passed on Abreu because from what I read about him, he wasn’t worth the risk.

  • I don’t know if they have to be passed through waivers since they’re on minor league deals… I think

  • mets4lyfe

    What’s really entertaining while watching Jose Abreu hit bombs is Hawk’s commentary. He’s hilarious.

  • metsfansince64

    Juan Centeno on his way to NY. They must be very concerned about D’Arnaud.

  • Are you being tickled as you’re typing. You sure are laughing a lot.

  • Mets! :-))

    Upgrade lol. I hope travis is alright though :c

  • Monix

    Really, I didn’t? Oh that’s right, only you were brilliant enough to want this guy. In fact, I think you probably discovered him.

  • jimmy705

    Uh-oh. However badly T d’A was doing, this is bad news.

  • metsfansince64

    Amazing turnover on this team in this last week.

    Farnsworth reportedly “bitter”. What does he have to be bitter about? The Mets picked him off the scrap heap when nobody else wanted him. Sheesh.

  • MikeBedlam

    Maybe not. But when he was pitching for the Mets, he got shelled. And not shelled the way we think of Colon’s bad starts this year. I mean nuclear-tipped SHELLED.

  • Bobby O

    I think this is the right move. Kyle to myself in his last outing was lousy- he was aiming the ball, his heater was flat and getting squared up- the game where Duda saved his butt. Valverde has been quite good at Citi Field. Plus, maybe Kyle is ailing too and Jose right now is healthier than him.

  • jimmy705

    They really are making a lot of changes in a short time.

  • Mets! :-))

    * perfect game 🙂

  • metsfansince64

    I think D’Arnaud is made of glass. There are people who are just naturally fragile – something that wouldn’t injure another person causes them more significant problems. People like that – and I think D’Arnaud is one – shouldn’t be catchers.

  • billpulsipher

    Farnsworth is history. one down. 1 to go (Valverde)

  • no joke. I guess it makes sense that it is him and not Papa Grande this time around but he can’t be long for the team either unless he really steps it up

  • This move isn’t really surprising. If d’Arnaud is unavailable for the next couple of days, they need more than one catcher. Hopefully, he doesn’t have a concussion though.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    ” David Wright drove a ball to the track that would have surely been out of Yankee Stadium”… or Citizens Bank Park or a half dozen other stadiums. We know. This is the park we have, these are the players we have. We will end up with some different players, but we’re stuck with the park. No point in belaboring it. It just stokes some peoples’ frustration and gives some trolls a talking point.

  • lol
    This is like George Forman vs Larry Holmes…now.

  • fedupfan13

    And they didn’t get him because of money…no other reason but they lie and say otherwise. This is why people constantly bring it up. Beating up fans for being upset with being deceived is wrong. It’s like if you don’t just shut up and eat what these crooks feed us…you’re a bad fan. That’s BS.

  • Mets! :-))

    Sandy says your welcome lol. Go out and buy tickets to see budding SUPA star Lucas “Smash” DUDA ! 🙂

  • Dude, he got hit in the head with a bat…..

  • billpulsipher

    you’re not stuck with the park. all they have to do is move fences in 20 feet, its not rocket science…but they are morons

  • Waz0787

    He is the next one to go.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    I’ll be happy with a win and a hit

  • metsfansince64

    I’m aware. I also know that he was out for months because his foot broke when he was hit by a pitch – how often do catchers break their feet when they’re hit there? can’t recall too many – and he has had a *freak* injury almost every year. Guy’s an injury magnet.

  • Monix

    So you want the Mets to spend 200 million and bring the fences in. Really, why aren’t you a Yankees fan? It makes no sense that you’re a Mets fan.

  • Mets! :-))

    The yankees are atrocious and old. Give them all a walking cane

  • jason bay

    Minaya wining and dining Mike Trout and his family and then blowing the pick on K-Rod.

    THANKS OMAR

  • I wish I had stats for you. I can’t defend his injury history but I can defend that being hit in the head with a wood stick will injure most people.

  • aside from 3 appearances in the middle of April, he’s very solid. 12 IP, 2 runs

  • metsfansince64

    I suppose they’ll see what the tests show tomorrow. At the moment, Centeno is probably a contingency plan. But if D’Arnaud is going to miss a few days, I imagine they’ll DL him.

  • Once they get to majors I think they are on MLB deals.

  • Monix

    I don’t understand why you’d keep Valverde over Farnsworth?

  • Waz0787

    Personally speaking a big degrom fan. I have been following his career since savannah. He is going to be great. He doesn’t come with overhyped status

  • fedupfan13

    Look it doesn’t matter what you thought when you read something. It seems like the guy is going to be good. Leroy brown thought he would be good. He’s pissed that they passed him up bec his NY team that has ridiculously high revenue can’t take a chance on a player bec they blew all their cash in a ponzi scheme.

  • MikeBedlam

    Safe bet that Farnsworth ends up in the NL East and pitches shutout innings against the Mets for the rest of the year.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    And then people will b*tch about all the HRs we allow. Solarte and Teixira’s HRs went out in Citi Field. If they don’t worry about the park why do we use it as an excuse? It’s an irrelevant point because both teams have the same conditions. It’s not the park, it’s the players.

  • getting hit on the backswing isn’t a freak injury for a guy who sits a foot behind several dozen guys a game swinging the bat as hard as they can

  • Mets! :-))

    He has cool hair too 🙂

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Because we’re SNAKEBIT! CURSED!

  • Monix

    Don’t they have that 1 week DL for concussions?

  • Waz0787

    Sad but true

  • MetsfanInParadise

    And gave him a chance to close. if he couldn’t hack it it’s not the team’s fault.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LMAO….I love how they come out of the wood works to say hindsight 20/20 to me but @jason bay talks about not drafting Reggie Jackson and players from 10-20years ago and they pretend like they dont see his comments.

    HYPOCRITES OF THE HIGHEST ORDER….AGENDA DRIVEN LUNATICS

    They see my name and get all foamy at the mouth like a pack of wild dogs

  • Really, because it seems like he’s irrationally angry with Sandy Alderson for not spending money that wasn’t provided to him.

  • Mets! :-))

    Even though we may be snakebit dont we keep coming back for more, being a mets fan is never easy lol. Love this team though ^_^

  • MikeBedlam

    Maybe one of the most under-rated of the Mets prospects. Hopefully that will keep the extra unneeded pressure off.

  • knicksjp07

    Adam Rubin

    ✔ @AdamRubinESPN
    Kyle Farnsworth was related to advance consent agreement he signed. Only have to pay him for 45 days — not full season. Today was deadline.

  • jason bay

    Pelfrey over McCutchen

    Kunz and Vineyard over Stanton

    Kunz, Vineyard and Moviel over Freeman.

    Bay over Simmons

    Chris Carter over Yelich AND Taijuan Walker

    THANKS OMAR

  • track record and recent performance I think. Valverde pissed a lot of us off when he had that really bad week in mid April but aside from that, he’s been great. I didn’t believe it myself but have a look.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=valvejo01&t=p&year=2014

  • Monix

    It’s mindboggling to me why we’d cut him over Valverde unless he’s just a complete jerk in the clubhouse or something.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    forever

  • Well luckily there’s a shorter DL for concussions so hopefully we won’t have to see one of the AAA guys even start.

  • metsfansince64

    It all comes back to the fact that Fred Wilpon wanted to relive his Dodger days by building a monument to Ebbets Field, rather than building a stadium that played to the strength of his team’s star player(s) like any sensible owner would have done. It’s part of the same logic that had the Mets pay a huge tribute to a non-Met, Jackie Robinson (and a tribute never even close to matched by Robinson’s own team), while ignoring the Mets’ own past heroes in building Citifield.

  • MikeBedlam

    I’ll admit, the “AGENDA DRIVEN LUNATICS” line slayed me.

  • MikeBedlam

    In fact, if you add in Satin, you could even call it a “glut” of first baseman. 😉

  • So?

  • how much is the guy making? $1,000,000? Jeez

  • Yeah, 7 day DL, which is where he’s most likely headed.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    It’s not throwing someone under the bus if they merit it. No one is making him a scapegoat

  • fedupfan13

    Yeah I don’t think it’s Sandys fault. I hate that the guy talks down to people and lies about the money. But it’s his job and his hands are tied. I don’t think he’s a genius GM, but I’m sure he would rather have abreu then Duda given his choice

  • Monix

    But TC clearly would rather pitch Farnsworth. He gets in games way more often lately. He was the most recent closer for crying out loud. I know ownership is cheap but dang, 45 day contract and you’re gone? wow.

  • mets4lyfe

    I thought Moviel was a terrible pick. No surprise he retired from baseball a couple of years back.

  • metsfansince64

    I like Centeno. He’s a superb defensive catcher, and he’s hit a little at least (though we’re talking Vegas). Still, I wouldn’t mind seeing him play for a few games. He looked okay last September.

  • MikeBedlam

    Centeno’s not a bad option at all. In fact, I’d rather have had him as the primary backup over Recker, but Recker started the season hot. He seems to have cooled now though, so maybe Centeno will get a legitimate chance to supplant him.

  • Mets! :-))

    I think i remember liking the mets because they were the Mlb team of the zephrs AAA afflilate (no mlb team here its New Orleans) So I was like ok I’ll root for these mets. was like 2006 when they had that uber lineup ^.^. Still rooting for them even though they are no where near that team lol. They are getting there though hopefully 🙂

  • Monix

    I thought they might call up Teagarden actually.

  • knicksjp07

    with the mets luck, he will go to a team in the NL East and dominate against us.

    Rich Coutinho @coutinho9
    Farnsworth was asked what now? He said, “look for another team and hopefully pitch against these guys.”

  • I think we all would. There’s definitely plenty you can criticize about SA but the money problem isn’t one of them. He’s not the best GM in the world but he’s also far from the worst.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    I agree it was foolish to build a park that didn’t cater to the strength of their star but in the end both teams deal with the same dimensions. Its not the park, it’s the talent

  • Lol I hope so. Farnsworth against the Mets might be a recipe for success for this offense.

  • he always struck me as a D-Bag.

  • billpulsipher

    no NL east team would pick up a scrub liek that except the mets….maybe the fish

  • Dio

    lol kyle farnsworth “look for another team and hopefully pitch against these guys.”… we hope so too kyle… we definitely do too

  • Waz0787

    He does

  • Mets! :-))

    He smells of mediocrity

  • billpulsipher

    did Farnsworth call TC a co*ksucker as well?

  • Waz0787

    I am hoping that helps.

  • The Phillies too. Their bullpen is terrible right now.

  • metsfansince64

    I’d agree, except I’ve seen any number of catchers get hit on the backswing and be fine. Not saying injuries don’t happen there, but also noting D’Arnaud’s history, I do think he’s very fragile.

    I always figured that if he hits, he should get moved to 1B when Plawecki is ready.

  • saving $750,000 apparently by cutting him now. I guess they had no plans for him in the long term this season so made no sense to hang onto him

  • billpulsipher

    the fish just DFA’d Marmol and Henry Rodriguez after 1 game, even they have standards I guess

  • MikeBedlam

    Not only does he look the part of “jerk”, his history on the field speaks volumes to the notion.

  • mets4lyfe

    wow, he’s really furious about this.

  • fedupfan13

    Well we will see…so far only real contracts he gave out were to…Frankie..bad. C Young…looks bad…”Colon ..looks bad and Grandy…looks kind of bad…but it’s still real,early on most of those

  • jason bay

    Farnsworth was about as useful as Schowenweis, Putz and Mota.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Idiocy. You can make all the lists you like and wish til you’re blue in the face. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Blah, blah, blah

  • That was my hope, at least he could hit in Vegas.
    Think how TDA hit in Vegas. If someone isn’t hitting there they may be holding a wiffel ball bat.

  • d’Arnaud barely has any value at catcher right now. He wouldn’t even have half the value of Duda if he was moved to first, at least if he keeps hitting like he is now.

  • MikeBedlam

    Although Teagarden is hot right now in Vegas, his career MLB slash line basically looks like Mike Nickeas.

  • Mets! :-))

    Any veteran that gives Terry a blowy is guaranteed a start for the next game lol. Terry likes his old men.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    That’s how DW got hooked. Tidewater Tides.

  • goorru

    So Farnsworth was good enough to get a save two days, now he’s cut over Valverde. LOL

  • I think Grandy will be fine. He’s gonna hit .230 but hopefully the home runs are still there. Chris Young on the other hand.. definition of a wild card.

  • Brian D.

    Nimmo over Fernandez and Gray

    Cecchnini over Wacha

    Matt Reynolds over Alex Wood

    Logan Verrett over Tony Cingrani

    THANKS SANDY

  • Mets! :-))

    I like tea 🙂

  • MetsfanInParadise

    They’re both on the way out. One had to be first

  • knicksjp07

    Now we know why he was mad. the mets could have released him tomorrow before the game and gave him his money.
    actually, they did the wrong decision and right decision. wrong in that it should have been valverde and right in that they save their money. i guess you could see that in two different ways. either the mets are cheap or it was a smart business move.
    but it must be tough to work for 44 days and then get released the day before you would get your paycheck.

    Adam Rubin ✔ @AdamRubinESPN
    #Mets saved about $750k releasing Farnsworth today that they would have been on the hook for starting tomorrow.

  • TheMetsMachine

    Quoting the author: “Eric Young Jr. who haphazardly dove for a ball he probably should not have; a mistake that was even more magnified with Tanaka on deck and defensive whiz Juan Lagares riding the pine in favor of EY.”

    So Lagares was expected to catch that ball from Center on that play? I’m confused why you decided to throw in Lagares name? How is Lagares relevant??? Last I checked that play took place in Left field, so even if Lagaras plays Center that play happens if EYJ is in LF. Chris Young was the one that replaced Lagares.

    Or was that a cheap shot at EYJ? It certainly seemed like one.

  • goorru

    It’s still not about winning.

  • I actually agree with you. The park is the same for both teams during any given game.

  • Dio

    nice. now we can have that money and put it towards nothing useful at all.

  • So think what Centeno’s would look like!

  • jason bay

    Just bizzare that entire draft (2007)

    All college relief pitchers except Moviel who projected as a reliever and Vineyard.

    Talk about blowing a draft.

  • Mets! :-))

    Farnsworth : Where’s my money ?! *shots fired*

  • goorru

    gas for the Wilponcopter

  • Have you heard that he’s increased his velocity by a tick or two after altering his delivery? I’m very excited about deGrom. I hope there’s enough room for him in the rotation, but if there isn’t he could probably take on the closers job.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    That’s ass-backwards thinking. If he’s not good enough what’s the point of keeping him an extra day and giving him more money? It’s not cheap, it’s logical. In this case doing what’s best for the team just happened to ALSO make financial sense. NOT the same as delaying a promotion

  • Dio

    i assume we will see new cup holders at citi. 750k well spent guys.

  • goorru

    He obviously is better than Valverde and was good enough to close the game only two games ago.

  • I only mentioned that because there was an extreme uproar on Twitter about Lagares not starting tonight. I’m not saying anyone else would have made that play, just mentioning it because after it happened, Twitter exploded.

  • metsfansince64

    So, they should have kept him, useless as he has been, just so they should pay him an extra $750,000? You’d be happier if they cut him next week or the week after instead, just so he’d get his year’s salary? Very philanthropic with someone else’s money.

    If he wanted that extra money, he should have pitched better and earned it. They gave him a chance, even to be the team closer, and he effed it up mightily. They don’t owe him a thing.

  • I don’t like the Wilpons but you are saying they should have waited until tomorrow so they could lose money for no reason?

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    Ooh must be some fancy cupholders 🙂

  • TheMetsMachine

    Yes, I read the uproar. What I don’t get is why EYJ keeps being mentioned when the guy that took Center field spot today was Chris Young. Why keep blaming EYJ, it’s not his fault the Mets gave Chris Young 7 million.

  • fedupfan13

    If Farnsworth is really pissed at the Mets for screwing him out of money then I have two questions… 1 how dumb are you to sign a contact like that with a team who panhandles? 2. If you hate the Mets so much why would you want to pitch against them, it will only provide them wins

  • Dio

    750k could buy us 4 innings of 1 game with a legit power threat at the plate. would love to see that.

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  • mets4lyfe

    I’d be furious, too.

  • Well point is in a few days both he and Valverde would be gone, so why pay him?

  • metsfansince64

    So you think they should have gifted it to a useless, washed-up pitcher they weren’t going to keep anyway? Why?

  • MikeBedlam

    I’d just rather see if Centeno could do better.

  • EYJ gets more hate than he should. It’s not his fault TC chooses to start him more than he should. I think the starting outfield on most, if not all, days should be Grandy/Lagares/C.Young.

  • jason bay

    Wacha, Fernandez, Gray, Cingrani ect wouldn’t have done a thing for our offense and I’ll let you in in a little secret.

    Cecchini has a well above average SLG % in the Sally even though he:

    A) is 1.5 years younger than average

    B) is a SS

    C) plays in a huge stadium.

    Nimmo as you know is playing very well. Evans, Reynolds and Plaweicki as well.

    Wish someone was doing this sort of work 5-10 years ago.

  • metsfansince64

    Actually, Valverde has been better. And the only reason he managed to close that game was because of a brilliant play by Duda which saved his ass. By all rights, he should have lost that game, the way they were hitting the ball off him.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Do you think he’s good enough to warrant giving another $750K to? Does anyone here? Wilpons cut corners often enough to give us plenty of legitimate grounds for criticism but this isn’t one, except for those just looking for excuses to bash. If he DID get the bonus how many people here would be bashing them for wasting more money on a bum?

  • Mets! :-))

    Call the marlins and ask them if we could borrow Giancarlo Stanton for whenever we arent playing them lol. Would help and actually give us a guy the people actually fear..

  • Ask EYJ.

  • if that happens.

  • Dio

    a very useful loan id say

  • metsfansince64

    I understand why he’s upset – but that doesn’t mean it’s justified. The Mets picked him up off the scrap heap when nobody else wanted him and gave him a real chance. He screwed it up. Has no one to blame but himself and his ineffectiveness.

  • Mets! :-))

    Speaking of… Marlins are getting there rebuild done much faster, they arleady have a good outfield and up until fernandez went down had a stud face of franchise pitcher. Doing things right

  • MikeBedlam

    That’ll work. Then we can send Grandy or CY back in Stanton’s clothes with a Thank You card.

  • TheMetsMachine

    I don’t agree with you. I don’t believe Chris Young deserves to start over EYJ. Chris Young is one dimensional, he’ll either hit for power or give you nothing.

    EYJ brings a lot more to the table, EYJ has the same batting avg. or higher than CY, difference is EYJ can lead off, he can steal bases, he can force errors with his speed, he can manufacture runs. He is much more valuable as a starter than Chris young is. Chris Young is a power bat of the bench,

  • goorru

    LOL, Valverde was relegated to mop up duty, NOW he’s better.

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    Thank you cards too expensive for the wilpons 😉 how about a bunch crayon scribbles on a paper?

  • Dio

    no farnsworth was long gone anyway. just saying that their financial priorities are clear. they supercede any type of goal to succeed for the year. and they also lack the ability to handle things ethically. i dont appreciate, respect, understand, or condone anything this management does. their goals are their own and have nothing to do with the players or their fanbase. that was my point.

  • Dio

    cy not grandy. i like lefties!

  • MikeBedlam

    Yeah. Probably pawn Stanton’s threads too, now that I think of it.

  • Brian D.

    Actually, they could be very valuable trade pieces to get some offense.

    The point is, you could cherry pick results for every team/GM since there is so much uncertainty in the MLB draft.

    Because of this uncertainty, the draft should be judged in it’s totality, not by who we passed on. Sometimes the best picks come in the later rounds.

    Like the 2007 draft for example, you don’t mention how we picked up a very solid starter in Dillon Gee and a major league bat in Duda – That’s not outstanding, but it wasn’t a total waste either.

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    Yeah terry had himself two youngs that night 😉

  • EYJ is the definition of a one dimensional player. He’s fast. That’s it. He can’t leadoff because he doesn’t get on base. Chris Young has more power and is better on defense. He also has speed, although not as much as EYJ. Speed, defense, and power is three dimensional.

  • At what?
    I mean I guess his minor league offense stats could lie and he could come up and show what he never has….
    The guy has a SLG% under .350 in Vegas and has 50 xbh in 1200+ PA for his minor league career.

    He needs time to even learn how to hit minor league pitching.

  • goorru

    He’s been better than Valverde. He’s the closer then he’s cut. So yeah he’s worth it, he was pitching ok, good enough to pitch the seventh or 8th.

  • If what? If they release Valverde? His time is coming. He’s been pitching better anyway.

  • goorru

    Chris Young is awful.

  • Dio

    yanks… pls sign him tomorrow… pitch him tomorrow… get us back on the winning track!

  • Mets! :-))

    EY has power look at last night ! :p monster shot over the 314 ft porch !

  • Metropolitan

    Now this is the real Mets…folks

  • jason bay

    750 K bought us 1 week of Jason Bay

    750 K bought us 2 weeks of Oliver Perez

    750 K bought us 3 weeks of Luis Castillo

    750 K bought us 4 weeks of Scott Schoewnweis

    750 K bought us 5 weeks of Guillermo Mota

    750 K bought us 16 weeks of GMJ

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    Can stanton do that? I think not :-))

  • Metropolitan

    Hey Collins I thought when you came here you said the Mets will play the game the right way ..so why since you have been here all this teams does is have mental gaffs like that bozo Alderson signed Chris Young??

  • TheMetsMachine

    Lead off hitters are asked to score runs:

    Coming in to tonight:
    EYJ was batting .243 with a .338 OBP 15 steals and 28 runs on 28 hits. (Compare that to Murphy, he came in with a .320 BAVG .369 OBP 8 stolen bases 49 hits and 27 runs scored). So basically a .243 hitter produced the same amount of scored runs that a .320 hitter produced. That’s called getting on base and scoring efficiently.

    Chris Young has .297 OBP he provides nothing more than power and should not start.

  • Metropolitan

    Montero is not as good as Tanaka ..end of story.

  • Dio

    mayb he was being ironic… lol

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    Wow 🙂 mustve been a good weekly paycheck man ! what did you buy 🙂 ? Also in that week did you get a basehit?

  • mets4lyfe

    yup

  • Dio

    montero is a future 3rd starter not ace. him n tanaka were never in the same boat or expected to be. montero is still part of our future. our guy who can face off against tanaka is named harvey

  • And how do leadoff hitters score runs? By getting on base. I couldn’t care less what his numbers are in his first 34 games of the season. His OBP the last 3 seasons: .310, .290, .318. That’s all you need to realize he’s not a leadoff hitter. You can’t use your speed if you don’t get on base. He’s a bench player.

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    I like Cecchnini 😛 Louisiana guy like me 🙂 hope he can be a daniel murphy hitting ss kind lol rooting for him 🙂 and nimmo (really should have gotten fern though)

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    Also dont forget signing K-rod instead of getting that fish name Trout :p

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    Mets scouting genius 😉

  • MikeBedlam

    1st MLB start

    Montero (23yo) vs NYY – 6.0IP,3R,3ER,5H,2HR,2BB,3K,108P
    Tanaka (25yo) @TOR – 7.0IP,3R,2ER,6H,1HR,0BB,8K,97P

  • Guest

    Neat

  • TheMetsMachine

    So, basically because of what he did the last 3 seasons he has to be benched!!! Smart! I’m guessing if you ran the Blue Jays, no one would have found out who Bautista is.

    Until EYJ shows he can’t get on base and score he should be starting, he is getting on base on a .338 OBP and he is scoring more efficiently than half the lead off hitters in baseball, until that stops…Chris Young has no business being mentioned as a full time starter, .297 OBP doesn’t cut it.

  • Mets! :-))

    Tanaka also has a huge contract as well.. one the mets will never be able to pay (im looking at you harvey)

  • Dio

    with due respect… tanaka had a LOT more experience than montero… the guy has been pitching since he was 18, competitively so. they are, again, not in the same boat. montero shoudlve given up 2 runs not 3. not bad as far as im concerned.

  • jason bay

    This has to be in the top three ridiculous comments of all time.

  • Yeah, pretty much. We know what both players can do at this point and Chris Young can do more.

  • TheMetsMachine

    Chris young is a .200 hitter who hasn’t done anything in the last 3-4 years, his time as a starter is long gone, if the mets gave him 2 mil, this would not be a discussion he would not be starting. he is out there because of his salary, no other reason.

  • Brian D.

    Oh I agree. I just making a point that any GM can be criticized the way Jason is doing. I like Nimmo and Cecchini too, and I’m encouraged by their perfroamnces so far.

  • ed charles

    If by actually you mean Duda and Davis, you are indeed a Royals fan.

  • MikeBedlam

    I’d rather see if Centeno can be any more successful at hitting MLB pitching than Teagarden. It’d be hard to be worse. Minor league stats can only be used in an argument up to a point. Centeno is due for his chance and I’d rather see it (whether bad or good) than Teagarden (a known quantity).

  • Chris Young hit .200 as a platoon player during one year. He’s in his prime so there’s plenty reason to believe he can hit .230-.250 with 20+ HR’s and good defense playing every day, which is plenty more than EYJ can offer.

  • Mets! :-))

    Dom Smith the best of the bunch though 🙂 I like alex jackson, nick gordon, or jacob gatewood. if not those batters get yourself the best pitcher there lots of options 🙂 I like Toussaint lol.

  • metsfansince64

    If that were true, Dice K would be in the rotation, and Montero and deGrom would still be waiting for Super 2 Day.

    Not that I disagree that much of what the Mets do is motivated by financial considerations – obviously, that is why we don’t have a major league quality SS for one thing – but in this case, if the guy was going to be cut shortly anyway – and he was – why waste the money on him.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Maybe Farnsworthless will be this year’s George Foster. Let’s Go Mets go!

    (That team was my “Boys of Summer” They have a place in my heart forever)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymixm6PtVBA

  • MikeBedlam

    I absolutely agree. Montero has been pitching professionally since 2011. Tanaka since 2007. That’s a huge difference.

  • Why is he due for his chance yet? He is still youngish and hasn’t even learned to hit minor league pitching.
    Unless you are basically conceding he will never learn to hit.

  • Brian D.

    Yeah. I also like Smith more than the other two.

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    To Dodger Headquarters 🙂

  • Dio

    that guys no rookie lol. hes been playing pro for 7 yrs now. rookie for him is a title rookie for montero was reality. he didnt fail me today.

  • metsfansince64

    Otoh, you could say they put it towards Montero’s and deGrom’s salaries for this year.

  • TheMetsMachine

    The only place he will ever put up .230-.250 20+ HR is if he played for the Rockies, Yanks, Orioles, Arizona, Texas…basically he has to be in a sand box. He wont do anything like that playing here.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    He’s a 4th OF who has been getting on base and scoring runs, especially early in games. It won’t last all year but they should play the hot hand. But NOT at the expense of Lagares.

  • Mets! :-))

    who does he compare to on the mlb level or project to be? Nimmo i got as a Jay bruce/Grady/choo type and ceccinii as a good fielding ss that can hit like Murf

  • goorru

    EYJ is an elite base stealer is CY elite at anything other than striking out?

  • MikeBedlam

    I am conceding that he will never hit for power. He’s otherwise already a good hitter.

    2011 – .318/.368/.382
    2012 – .285/.337/.342
    2013 – .301/.339/.373
    2014 – .273/.348/.338

    He’s 24 and has been in the system for 8 seasons. Maybe he’ll develop more power as he gets older. For now, he’s due for his chance as the primary backup. That’s what he profiles as, anyways.

  • jason bay

    One has to wonder at the reason the Mets have to bring in a starting pitcher or two, 3 relievers, 2 OFer’s and a couple of bench players every year.

    It’s been this way forever.

    Glavine, El-Duque, Trachsel, Redding, Livan, RA, Escobar, Pedro, Capuano, Young, Marcum, Colon….,

    Schoenweiss, Acosta, Wagner, K-Rod, Dessens, Green, Stokes, Putz, Izzy, Rauch, Ramirez, FFF, Lyon, Byrdek, Hawkins, Farnsworth, Valverde, Torres, Dice K,

    Floyd, Alou, Bay, Sullivan, Nixon, Clark, Feliciano, Sheffield, Williams, Ledee, Church, Francouer, Harris, Hairston, Byrd, Cowgill, Young Jr, Young, Granderson…..

    Jacobs, Cattolonotto, Cora, Valdez, Martinez, A Reyes, Easley, Gotay, Cedeno, Franco, Reed, Chris Carter……

    Troubling and perplexing how many guys have to be brought in every year.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    OH, SHUT UP! EVERY team brings in players EVERY year.

  • Brian D.

    I actually haven’t really thought of many comparisons for him, but he does have a really high upside. He has potential for plus power, and he’s also a very good fielder at 1B.

    I don’t think Nimmo has the kind of 30HR power that Bruce has. However, it’s a geat sign to see that he’s off to a start in St. Lucie.

  • MikeBedlam

    Yeah. I was very happy with Montero’s start today. I posted the stats because frankly, if you take out that BS third ER, the stat lines show two very good pitchers.

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  • Brian D.

    I’ve been saying this for years now. Every team is going to have a bunch of players like that over a course of a 162 game season.

  • Dio

    yup. was happy to see the matchup. if thats how our 3rd guy faces off against a true phenom ace i am fine with it. our offense just needs to wake up in those situations.

  • jason bay

    You shut up.

    No one has to bring in the players in the numbers that we do every year and many of the one’s they do bring in came via the trade.

    We never have anything to spare in a trade so we have to go with guys that cost 1st or 2nd rounders or go scrap heap as you can see from many of the names on that list.

  • He has a career .328 OBP and .335 SLG. That’s not good at all.

    Yes if we are ready to label him as a backup ceiling I guess it won’t hurt the Mets or him to bring him up to back up Recker.

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Agreed, really stupid comment. Montero pitched great for a debut and really gave up only “2” earned runs. Stupid EY thinking he’s Lagares.

  • jason bay

    No one goes through more than we do.

    Cassonova, Cancel, Sandy Alomar Jr, Santos, Green, Conine, GMJ, Castillo, Mientcavage, Nady, Cameron, Matsui, Alomar, Vaughn, Spencer, Garcia, Gonzalez, Hildago, Scutaro, Relaford, Keppinger, Ben Johnson, Michael Tucker, Reed……

    Astounding the number of players who have appeared in a Met uniform the last 15 years.

  • Metropolitan

    it was not great enough was it….

  • Metropolitan

    I fear we have Gen K 2.0 on our hands. deal a couple before it is too late get us better hitters

  • jason bay

    Nimmo had a triple, Cecchini had two ribbies and a stolen base, Reynolds a double, TJ two hits and is up to .395.

  • LIMetfan22

    LOL LMFAO ROFL so easy to get to you

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Your living in a dream world pal. He’s a 4th OF on a good team.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    But you don’t even differentiate between trades, retread pickups and expensive free agent signings. Your point is so broad it’s meaningless. How can you lump the signing of Pedro in with the signing of El Duque? Some of those signings, like Billy Wagner, were excellent until injury. You can’t foresee that. The Yankees signed Carl Pavano and he sucked. Hideki Irabu and he sucked. Your memory is conveniently selective. This team doesn’t do anything different. When they spend money they’re criticized. When they don’t spend money they’re criticized. You’re just a hater and a troll. “We never have anything to spare in a trade so we have to go with guys that cost 1st or 2nd rounders” What the hell does that even mean? You have to trade value to get value. The Red Sox traded away a prospect named HANLEY freakin’ RAMIREZ and Anibal Sanchez to get Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell. What a waste of my time.

  • jason bay

    Almost anyone we would like to trade for could have simply been drafted or signed internationally years ago.

  • LIMetfan22

    Nope. They all struck out and are busts.

    Sandy alderson is the anti-Christ

    All hail Juan centeno

  • Brian D.

    Can you prove this? Or is this just your assumption?

    And you are counting Nady? Really? He wasn’t bad!

  • Scottydoeskno328

    “EYJ is the definition of a one dimensional player. He’s fast. That’s it. He can’t leadoff because he doesn’t get on base. Chris Young has more power and is better on defense. He also has speed, although not as much as EYJ. Speed, defense, and power is three dimensional.”

    Now that’s what we call being pwned people!!!!

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Lol pwned again. Are you arguing with Terry Collins?

  • pepe

    EY did get careless, No Doubt. But stop your crap hatred about him. When he plays. He generates movement on the bases. Our problem is at SS.

  • TheMetsMachine

    Exactly!! now that’s a real “pwned” – big league style! not like the bush league version up there posted by Sandy alderson – I mean Scottydoesn’tknow

  • jason bay

    Now Brian, please point to the part of my post that said they were all bad.

    As for Nady it was a bad trade as a ball hawking CFer who hits home runs is far more valuable then the defensively deficient short end of a RF platoon.

    Cameron won a gold glove, went to a couple All Star Games (along with Bell). Nady was a very limited player.

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Seriously TC is that you because your arguing sounds like our idiot manager and his obsession with EY, who FYI sucks and is a one dimensional player and the only thing EY is stealing is playing time from a superior hitter and defender in Lagares.

  • Brian D.

    So what’s your point? You’re not making sense now.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    THAT was my point. This is a waste of time. Good night. LGM

  • Brian D.

    LGM!

  • jason bay

    You must be illiterate.

    The topic was the sheer VOLUME of players brought in here over the last dozen years or so, not the METHOD used to obtain them.

    Jeez, take a ****ing English class

    Incidentally let me know when we have a Han Ram and a Sanchez kicking around the farm we can spare

  • Scottydoeskno328

    It was fun while it lasted with the EY experiment but it’s enough already. It’s taking playing time away from our best defender and arguably one of our best hitters in Lagares. Who would you want up in a pressure spot Lagares or EY because he consistently looks clueless with the bat.

  • TheMetsMachine

    No, but I do know that that’s you – Sandy Alderson! Only you would be stupid enough to give Chris Young 7 million over Nelson Cruz and then come back here and pretend like CY deserves to start because of his salary.

    Picture Dikembe Mutombo giving you the no-no finger – that’s a away of us fans telling you to keep the Chris Young’s of the world away!…Sorry, Major Pwned!!!

  • jason bay

    My point us as I stated in clear English.

    No team in MLB has had the number of players we have suit up for them.

  • Metropolitan

    Sandy Alderson the anti Christ…hmmmm I have not thought about that,,,,,,maybe

  • Scottydoeskno328

    I’m not arguing anything about Chris Young. I never even mentioned his name but you are sounding more like TC with each reply.

  • TheMetsMachine

    Chris Young started in Center field over Lagares…genius.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    If you want to address literacy I could list all the players whose names you misspelled (like Casanova, Mientkiewicz, and Catalanotto). And if the volume is the only issue, what’s the point of, “”We never have anything to spare in a trade so we have to go with guys that cost 1st or 2nd rounders”? It sounds like you’re taking issue with the quality of the players we receive in trades, so somewhere you’re contradicting yourself. “Jeez, take a ****ing English class” is a fallacy that’s known in formal logic as “ad hominem abusive,” which means trying to discredit the argument by discrediting the speaker.Trust me, you don’t want to go toe-to-toe with me regarding any aspect of writing-grammar, spelling, or logic. You only end up looking even worse. I’m looking forward to your response.

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Let’s use our brains TC. If terry wants EY in the lineup and CY is not going to be benched anytime soon. Then who is taking away time from Lagares, that would be EY.

  • TheMetsMachine

    You are calling me TC – yet you are acting like TC. Collins is the biggest moron in the world if he starts Chris Young over Lagares, and if you support that then it’s you that is siding with TC, not me. Lagares, Granderson and EYJ are the outfield. I’m tired of Collins and Alderson forcing Chris Young on us, he is a bench player!

    “CY is not going to be benched anytime soon” that is a Terry Collins quote…lol, I guess you were TC all along.

  • MikeBedlam

    Those numbers you posted also include his early seasons as a teenager, though. That’s why I posted his last 3 seasons and this current season. Which I think is a fairer assessment of it and certainly would fall within my definition of a good hitter.

    The crux of my argument here isn’t to say that Centeno is primed to be a perennial All Star, just that Teagarden has had ample opportunity at the MLB level (163 games) and has done nothing great with it (.206/.266/.390) except for get some HRs (20). That comes with a price of a 35.3% K-rate, though. On paper, Teagarden is Recker 2.0.

    -If TdA is your everyday catcher, the way he’s played to this point, Recker or Teagarder are a good fit as backup because of the extra pop they can give you.
    -If TdA is hurt, you’re also gonna need a guy that’s not going to K in over 30% of his PAs as both Recker and Teagarden do. Centeno gets the call.
    -If Recker got hurt, Teagarden would’ve gotten the call, not Centeno.
    -If TdA was playing to his “projection” and the power potential that was hyped, Centeno would be the call.

    Sorry this is so wordy, I’m tired and punchy. My main point is that Centeno is due for his shot as an MLB backup. I think that Centeno can manage an appreciably higher AVG and OBP than Recker or Teagarden and that there’s no better time than now to see if that’s the case. If he can, great. If he can’t, at least the mistake will be short-lived.

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Hmmm okay so you understand half of the problem but not all of it. Collins isn’t starting CY over Lagares but Alderson is forcing CY onto us.

    Let me put it in perspective for you if CY and Grandy are a lock to start mostly every game. That leaves EY and Lagares to fight for playing time. If Collins wants to start EY he atleast knows that he needs to play CY in center bc he is the best CF when Lagares isn’t playing.

    Do you finally understand it now? Or shud I spell it out for you again?

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Actually why am I even bothering with this conversation. Your convinced that EY is a starter and not a 4th OF and your speaking of EY like he’s jose Reyes of 2006.

  • KennyandtheMets

    EY and CY should both be benched on Thursday. What stupid plays they both made!!

  • TheMetsMachine

    There’s zero logic to what you said. What makes Chris Young a lock? And no, $7 million is not an excuse.

    CY is nice power bat of the bench, it was a mistake to give him that money, its even a bigger mistake to start him.

    I’m not accepting Collins and Alderson decision, and Collins is the manager his job is to manage, he shouldn’t be allowing anyone to force him to start CY (especially over Lagares).

  • LIMetfan22

    Oh boy i’ve unleashed pandora’s box to metro

  • LIMetfan22

    lmao this argument is hilarious. “YOU SHUT UP!” both of you take a break.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Montero was ok. Really only should have been charged with 2 runs. The EY dive was beyond stupid. Ron said he was probably over throwing the breaking pitch, which hurt him.

  • LIMetfan22

    Frustrating that nobody on this team can go deeper than 6 innings lately. 6 isn’t bad but jesus. Enough with the walks.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Yep. The walks have been a huge problem for this staff of late. Montero had a very quick 5th inning, which enabled him to get through 6. For a while, I was wondering if he would finish 5. He threw almost 70 pitches in the first 3 innings.

  • LIMetfan22

    I don’t blame Montero much. First start during the Subway freaking series. Bloopy hit by Gardner to lead off. Just disappointed in Wheeler so far.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Tomorrows Lineup should be:

    1. Lagares, CF
    2. Murphy, 2B
    3. Wright, 3B
    4. Granderson, RF
    5. C.Young, LF
    6. Duda, 1B
    7. Flores, SS
    8. Centeno, C
    9. SP

  • DrDooby

    A nice debut for Montero on the big stage.
    A quality start which is even more impressive when you consider that it happened on the biggest of stages vs. a pitching sensation. And even if he looked cool, he must have been pumped and battling jitters. Unfortunately, Montero didn’t find his slider all day, was somewhat squeezed by the HP umpire on pitches at the knees and on the outside corner and the Mets played some shoddy defense behind him, most notably EY with the stupid dive.

    While Montero’s ceiling isn’t quite as high as that of Wheeler & Harvey, he could well be the perfect in-house replacement for Dillon Gee going forward as a very solid & dependable # 3/4 SP who can give the Mets 6 IP and a solid start on most occasions.

  • Hotstreak

    Niese and Gee Dickey all had a ton of QS and Sandy Lovers sh$tg on them. What about Santana?.

    A Sandy guy gets a QS debut giving up a late homer from 2-0 doable (should have been only 1-0) comeback to 3-0 virtually undoable and he gets praise for QS.

    Montaro is NOT a dominant pitcher but a 4 or 5 which they love to call Gee.

    On the plus side he has good composure I will grant you that but so does Gee.

  • jason bay

    My reply is simple.

    I was discussing the reason behind the need to import so many players every year.

    As for Wagner? He sucked. Got paid 11 M a year and couldn’t be used in game 7 of the NLCS because he threw so many pitches blowing game 6 after having blown two before that one.

    Yeah a 16.66 ERA was a big help in the NLCS as were his blown saves when he was able to pitch down the stretch in 2007.

    Great signing.

  • Hotstreak

    Let build a statute of Sandy in Citi Field. It means nothing until up here.

  • Hotstreak

    We could have had BOTH. Instead CY, Grandy and Colon.

  • Hotstreak

    Yet you fault Omar for letting him go for nothing. You just devalued him an expect Omar to get a Wheeler who has proved very suspect so far.

  • Hotstreak

    BBLB:

    Good lineup but this is better:

    Jose Aberu bats third
    Wright fifth
    CY sixth

  • Hotstreak

    Fair post but Montaro in only one start showed nothing special besides composure which in itsself is amazing since debut in Subway Series.

  • mr mojo risin

    bro, you liked your own comment … that’s Bush league

  • Forgot my password!! argh!!

    Guess this is my new handle when I chirp in for a bit.. until I find the e-mail I got the other night – after about 3 hrs. Must’ve cleared my cookies somewhere along the line. This logging in cr.. oops junk sucks. I’ve been burnindaylight since I found this site without having to remember a damn password 🙂

    My two cents: This guy (Montero) is gonna be pretty f’in good methinks. I’m not complaining about getting that for a first MLB start versus a guy who hasn’t lost in nearly two years between here and Japan – in Citi Field half-way through a subway series.

    I’m not saying the Skankees are great, or even as a whole have been playing ‘good’ lately – but damn you probably couldn’t have stacked the odds against Montero worse to begin with during the regular season, toss in a few bonehead plays behind him, and 4-0 looks PRETTY DAMN CRISP to me!!

    And at least they let Farnsworth go instead of Valverde. Both of em have been good here, bad there, and pulled a few outs straight out of their .. um.. thin air.. (cautiously avoiding triggering anything, I have no idea what Disqus flags on but it can’t be much!!) But going back a few years I’ve seen Valverde throw some absolutely amazing innings. More of that please. And if he can help the young guys throw what he can’t any more I’m all for keeping him around. (Not that we couldn’t use Farnsworth to show them how to kick a few.. rears.. in a brawl but I don’t remember the last time we had one either.. hell even Keith could do that if you could motivate him though..)

    All in all I just hope DeGrom is as good tomorrow, they can grab a few runs and take this series, and oh yeah.. less crap in the field please! 2-0 is much more winnable in Citi Field than 4-0 even if you DO have a few big bats, which we don’t!

    And, not for nothing, 4 runs should NOT be an insurmountable mountain to climb.. but that’s a rant for another day..

    LOL watching Llyod McClendon on MLB network – maybe that’s what this team needs. For instance, if Tejada was worried about his manager losing it and flattening him maybe he could have played like he did over in the Bx all season and have a few bombs by now too!!

  • Forgot my password!! argh!!

    Got a better one yet:

    1. Shin Soo-Choo, RF
    2. Wright, 3B

    3. Pedro Alvarez, DH
    4. Miguel Cabrerra, 1B
    5. Robinson Cano, 2B
    6. Jose Reyes, SS
    7. Juan Lagares, CF
    8. Cargo, LF
    9. Mike Piazza, C

    oops.. Piazza is retired and there’s no DH in this league?! Well the rest is certainly do-able if they spent a few bucks. Just have Prince Fielder catch, all he’s really got to do is swing the bat anyway – who cares if they get 10 runs we’ll have 30.

  • DrDooby

    Uh ? Don´t quite understand what Niese, Gee & Dickey have to do with Montero. And why would anyone “sh….” on them ??? Gee & Niese are what they are which is very solid & useful mid-rotation arms, though I like Niese over Gee going forward and DIckey was traded at peak value.

    Fact is, Montero throws the hardest among these 4 but has the least refined secondary stuff but command better or equal.

    Montero´s ceiling probably is # 3 SP – which is pretty much what Niese & Gee can be labeled now.

    And considering this was a major league debut facing the Yankees and Masahiro Tanaka who just received a 155 million $ contract besides a 20 million $ positing fee to his former club, Montero did quite well. There have been far shakier debuts by far more highly touted arms vs. easier opponents in the past.

    And Montero can also be lauded for keeping his composure after misplays behind him in a game with zero margin for error.

  • LIKayLGM

    I think everyone should temper their excitement and hold up on the parades, and popping the champagne, it’s only one loss 😉

  • Flatbush0460

    Young ” probably” shouldn’t have dove after the ball? OK, and water is probably wet. …. I

  • Flatbush0460

    I love this kid. He’s not gonna beat himself, and pitches way beyond his years. A keeper in my book…. And BTW, I don’t care who drafted him….

  • Flatbush0460

    Thank you, great thinking!

  • Flatbush0460

    How was that not ruled an error, and an unearned run. Even if it was ruled a hit, Young should have taken an error allowing the runner to advance and score.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Agreed. Wheeler has been disappointing.

  • The funny thing about being in the MMO game thread is that after CYs failed steal disqus immediately popped up message “there are 60 new comments”. Too bad disqus can’t interpret the content and say “there are 60 new comments of hate and pain”.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I feel the same way. However, I think when a guy makes a diving effort, they tend to not call an error. I don’t think the official scorer normally takes game situations into account. So even though it was a stupid mistake, it wasn’t technically am error. I think that old phrase, .” Error if omission, rather than commission” applies here.

  • HarveyKsYou

    No.. What is with CY? He sucks and has been bad in the outfield. EY Jr made one bad play all year. Sit CY and have EY lead off.

  • dealingwithidiots

    “Niese and Gee Dickey all had a ton of QS and Sandy Lovers sh$tg on them. What about Santana?”

    What are you talking about? Now you’re just pulling things out of thin air and making up crap just to argue.

  • Dave Rosenbluth

    My takeaway from the post game is that TC and this team has taken the wrong approach about the home field. Discussing that some balls would have been out in the Bronx is counterproductive and shows that the home field is in their heads. Hernandez was right: you play 81 games there, you are a major league ballplayer, you HAVE to make adjustments. He cited what the Marlins hitting coach told them about the size of their ballpark: hit line drives-make it a positive! Instead the the manager, the players and the media harp on this and they all cement this negative thought in their heads. Those hard hit balls might have been homers in Cincy or Philly to name a couple of band boxes, but they were playing at CITI FIELD. Deal with it already.

  • SaberMets

    but hes not “superb defensively” ….. 6 PB’s on the season (splitting time with tea) and his CS% is nothing to brag about….

  • Brian D.

    Prove it

  • Metropolitan

    There is way too much talk about park size by players fans and media a like .It has become a disease .Keith is a part of the problem too if I had a dollar for everytime he said “BIG ballpark” to,he obsesses about it to and so does Ron and Gary,they need to be told to stop.The truth is Citi field has for the most part smaller dimensions than Shea stadium had and I never heard people obsess about Shea stadium like this.Now the Mets have not performed well in Citi and people are looking for excuses even the worm manager has given the players an excuse for poor performance at Citi by invoking the BIG ball park theme. It needs to stop .

  • Hotstreak

    Look in the mirror and you will find an idiot.

  • Hotstreak

    Niese is a 2.5, Gee is a 3, Montero is a 4

    “Montero can also be lauded for keeping his composure after misplays behind him in a game with zero margin for error.”

    I agree with that and I said it too.

    Gee in particular has always kept his composure even when bombed.

    Ted Klein are you there. I believe you posted you like Montero but are not sure others will. My impression Montero’s stuff is nothing special. He reminds me of a young LaTroy Hawkins who could wind up in BP. I admire LaTroy Hawkins so that is a complement on the makeup of the guy. Why BP? Third time around he will get bombed.

  • dealingwithidiots

    Good comeback. Keep making false accusations, your credibility is going through the roof.

  • Hotstreak
  • jason bay

    Well I was slightly off Brian but not far.

    Here are the # of players each NL team has used from 2002-2013. I didn’t check the AL but I’m guessing that because of the need for less pitchers and bench versatility with the DH, AL teams would have less players suit up on average but you can check that.

    I also included the number of playoff appearances for each NL team during the same period which coincides with the Wilpon’s becoming sole owners.

    SD……………914…….2
    Col……………885……2
    METS………..885……1
    Mont/Wash…865……1
    Mia……………846……1
    Pitts…………..845……1
    Arizona………835……3
    Cinn………….827……3
    Cubs…………825……3
    LA…………….824……5
    Mil…………….797……2
    Atlanta………789……7
    Houston…….787……2
    St. Louis……784……8
    SF…………….781……4
    Philly…………778……5

    You can say what does this prove but I was simply backing up my statement although I was wrong about SD and Colorado. We are tied for the 2nd most amount of players who suited up for us from 2002-2013 and I think that says something.

    It says we have not developed long term solutions like Reyes and Wright and we’ve suffered more injuries than most teams partly due to age. There are other variables of course like Miami and Houston trading a large number of players mid season or Philly, St. Louis or SF adding some but if anything that should bring us back to the pack. Nor have we had a lot of young players we can option up or down as circumstances dictate with lots of players who still have options remaining.

    All in all my hypothesis is that we have developed very few long term position players and had substandard depth to back up our older, shorter term one’s causing us to give “tryouts” to multiple players every year many of them being recent waiver wire guys like Trot Nixon, Cory Sullivan, Chan Ho Park or whoever winds up being waived.

    I don’t know what else to subscribe an average of 8 additional players every year over a dozen seasons over what Atlanta or St. Louis suit up.

    I also don’t think that it is a coincidence that teams that have used the least players have had more post season appearances than teams who have used more.

    33 of the 50 post season appearances since 2002 have come from the 7 NL teams using the least amount of players.

  • DrDooby

    It seems a bit premature to put a tag on Montero, 1 start into his MLB career. Heck, it´s premature putting a tag on Zack Wheeler, almost 30 starts into his career. He could still be a strong # 2 in the Matt Cain / John Smoltz mold just like he could merely be a teasing # 4 who looks great one start and then bombs the next – somewhat similar to an Edwin Jackson or – dare I say it – Mike Pelfrey.

    The key for Montero will be further development of his changeup to have a weapon against LHH and to at least get his slider towards averagish range. If all goes well, Montero can essentially be a pitcher somewaht similar to a Bartolo Colon and a Dillon Gee – be it with a very different look.

    In any case, looking forward to Jake DeGrom making his debut tonight. Another promising power arm with upside….

  • jason bay

    He had two 1st rounders in tow when he was traded.

    If he had no value certainly those picks did after all they could have been used on Yelich, Parker, Biddle, Lee, Bedrosian, O’Connor, Sanchez, Lipka, Syndergaard, Ranaudo, Wojiechowski, Vettleson, Taijuan Walker, Castellanos, Jenkins, Smyly, Simmons……

    No value, LOL.

  • jason bay

    If the Mets had the 10 M dollar signing bonus to pay Abreu in December it might have happened.

    Could have drafted Freeman, Belt, Craig or Goldschmidt too. You don’t always have to wait till the last second to address needs. They can be handled upfront once in a while.