Alderson Talks About Increasing Payroll, Trading From Depth, 90 Wins

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Speaking to Tyler Kepner of the New York Times, general manager Sandy Alderson reiterated his 90 win goal for the Mets this season and also said he is authorized to increase payroll if he needs to.

“We challenged ourselves to think realistically about what each player could do,” Alderson said by phone on Wednesday. “It’s not like we believe everybody has to have a career year in order to achieve this. That’s not the case. So when we laid out our goal, it wasn’t so daunting. But it did force us to think: How do we do this? It’s something that informs your approach on a daily basis.”

The Mets find themselves on pace for 93 wins after a 15-11 start one month into the season. If they were to have five more months with 15 wins each, they’ll have their 90 wins.

But can the team continue to win despite having what has been the worst offensive output in the game, ranking 30th in batting, slugging and OPS, despite leading the league in walks?

“You have to ask the question: Are the walks at the expense of something else offensively?” Alderson said. “Are we being too patient and giving up hitting opportunities for pitch selectivity?

“But we follow a lot of different things — early in the count, ahead in the count, behind in the count — and we’re pretty much league average when it comes to those categories. So I really don’t think the fact that we’re drawing walks is a function of being too passive and affecting our batting average. But things will turn around with respect to our batting average and slugging.”

Can they continue to rely on a patchwork bullpen that has blown five saves in 11 opportunities?

The Mets earned their 15 wins on the back of some stellar starting pitching that has produced 11 quality starts in their last 14 outings. Their 3.37 ERA ranks 10th in the majors.

Alderson continues to say that the strong minor league pitching depth gives him the flexibility to make an impact trade, which is the same thing he said last September as well when he was heading into the offseason, though nothing ever materialized.

As far as payroll goes, currently at about $86 million and ranked near the bottom of MLB, Alderson asserts:

“We have the authority to go higher if it’s necessary at the trade deadline,” Alderson said. “I’m not worried about that at all.”

It seems to have become an April mantra as far as saying that he has the flexibility to spend and take on salary at the deadline, so I’ll take whatever he says on increasing payroll with a grain pound of salt.

The fact is that in four years payroll has never inched up and only gone in one direction – down. And that’s not to suggest we needed to go on any spending sprees, it’s only a reminder that we’ve heard these pie in the sky assertions about increased spending before.

The Mets have been surprisingly good so far, despite not getting any significant contributions from middle of the order hitters David Wright and Curtis Granderson. I suspect that both of them should produce at a better clip moving forward which will certainly help matters.

Still, I’d feel a lot more better about our chances if we had an offensive upgrade somewhere in that lineup.

The bottom line is that I’ve enjoyed watching this team so far. They are a resilient group who battles back and as long as we have the horses in the rotation, we have a chance to win. That will keep the Mets relevant most of the season and with a little luck who knows how far this team could go with or without the added payroll.

It’s a new month and we get things started with a four game set in Colorado who has also played some unexpected good baseball. This will be a good matchup that will give us a good gauge of how the rest of the month will go.

Lets Go Mets!

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  • Taskmaster4450

    Reports are the Mets offered Balfour 2/$12M and Rodney $2/$14M so we know there is $6M-$7M more they can spend. The Mets also offered Drew $9.5M so that might be available.

    I am not sure that buys you a whole lot in this day in terms of a bat other than a guy with potential.

  • Dark HelMet

    Glad to see Noah’s heating up, which has nothing to do with this, really, but I’m too impatient to wait for a farm report, ok?

  • agetting

    The one thing we know is the mets have minimal payroll flexibility otherwise tejada wouldn’t be here

  • Vin

    It’s sad we’re counting savings for the Wilpons, but I”ll chip in Ike’s $3+MM or so remaining salary. Or, did we actually eat that?

  • Waz0787

    Lies. Action speaks louder than crap mets have tried to feed their fan base.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    V. Stiviano for GM.

  • Randolph Scott

    When this guys talks, I go into reverse E.F. Hutton mode.

  • TJ

    Joe D.,
    15 of 26 in April is certainly unexpected and welcome, but that pace of 90 wins can change dramatically with a 2-5 week. It is not now, and never was, how much money they spend. It is about assembling a roster with no glaring holes, and having depth in the system to fill in for injuries and underperformers. Yes, the averages will rise, but the glaring holes will still be there. I’ll believe they will spend/trade for improvements when I see it. There is no other reason for Met fans to feel otherwisse. It has been, and now more than ever is, time to walk the walk. How about beating out the Yanks and Red Sox for Hanrahan to start the upgrade festivities? Not that he is the end all, and like other bullpen arms could be a bust, but all it would cost is money, and not an overwhelming amount. Vic Black is not the answer any time soon, he just walks way too many batters. They need to improve the pen from outside the organization.

  • everybodysbuddy

    my concern is that good pitching dominates in these cold months, but hitting benefits once it warms up. So while our hitting will improve, maybe other’s will improve more? When your strength is not balanced and is weighted more heavily on the side of pitching is this the result? I suppose these are rhetorical questions, but I do worry that our pitching, especially the bullpen, won’t hold up as well when the weather warms.

  • Zalmen

    If we keep this pace up and we win 90 games I couldn’t care less about the fact that payroll is near the bottom of the league as I said many times
    I would rather be the A’s or the Rats then the Angels or the Blue-Jays

  • piazza4aday

    Walks, Pitching, Hitting…yes…but can we talk about some tremendous team Defense that may be the key to the 15-11 ?

    Defense is sustainable.

  • Jakal42400

    I don’t disagree with you, but if we’re talking trade deadline that would mean pay was already cut into. For instatnce a trade for Andrus (not suggesting, just using an example) is owed 6.475mil this year, in July Mets would only be responsible for 3 of it, or even someone like CarGo that’s owed 10.5 would only be adding 5 at that point.

  • blaiseda

    Just because Anderson can increase payroll doesn’t mean he will spend on any available player.
    It means if a player that fits our needs is available at a price (trade and/or salary) commensurate with his abilities and does not lock the team into an inflexible payroll for years to come… then he can make that acquisition.
    if he doesn’t spend on a player you should assume that he as GM decided that opportunity did not exist.

  • AJF

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    Albert Einstein

  • Erin_II

    Every year, Alderson claims to have the ability to raise payroll, and yet, the payroll keeps on shrinking more and more. I want so badly to see the Mets in contention this summer, to see if he really does have the ability to make trades and spend. Spend some of that Duane Reade concert money, or the annual 20 MM from Citi’s naming rights, or the 25 MM TV profit share cash, you pathetic, lying, cheap, slithering bastards.

  • Hodges14

    “It seems to have become an April mantra as far as saying that he has the flexibility to spend and take on salary at the deadline, so I’ll take whatever he says on increasing payroll with agrain pound of salt.

    The fact is that in four years payroll has never inched up and only gone in one direction – down. “

    Bingo. Borrowing a label from Dan Warthen… when Mets management speaks to the media or fan base they are habitual liars.

  • Erin_II

    Why can`t I assume that the owners are flat broke, and don`t have the money to pay their existing bills, much less any to buy new players with?

  • Peter S

    This is not the time to complain about Sandy and payroll. However, if this team had a legit bat at SS, I would be a lot more confident.

  • Hodges14

    Correction.

    Just because Alderson says he can increase payroll doesn’t mean he’s telling the truth.

  • There were no incremental moves over the past few years that would’ve turned the team into a contender. I suspect that had they been on the cusp, the spending would have happened. They weren’t and now we’re left with fans still not pretending to understand the plan or even asserting that no such plan even exists.

    Presumably Hodges would’ve preferred SA had said last April “we’re not going anywhere this year so don’t expect any upgrades”

  • Hodges14

    Why do you have to make all the changes in 1 season? What would be wrong with making incremental changes along the way? If you are going to sit on your hands and do nothing until a time comes when 1 move will put you over the top you’re going to be waiting a long time. In baseball it’s never 1 thing.

  • Hodges14

    I may have missed it but I think the Pirates took on Ike’s salary.

  • Tlagee

    Hey Joe D, how are you holding up mate. I hope the medical issues you faced a little while ago are in the rear view mirror.
    Once again you have nailed it with Sandy, actions speak louder than words. He has been “authorised’ to spend more money for the past few years but when an opportunity arises he looks for ways of trading value from the Mets (ie salary dumps) in the hope of paying for an additional player.
    We all know that he is handcuffed financially which is why he spent his first couple of years gutting the team. What is hard for us fans is that a Sandy is incredibly disingenuous. He lies when he should simply say that he’s doing the best he can to keep the Wilpons as owners while trying desperately to put a competitive team on the field.
    Quit trying to to get the hopes up of fans while eventually disappointing them.
    What I don’t read on this forum is what a good job Terry Collins is doing with the little that he has offensively. Terry only gets blamed for any loss and most fans act as if the team is winning despite him.
    This team plays hard for him as as I’ve written a few times, he took a team destined to lose over a hundred games last year because of Sandy’s penny pinching and garbage bin pick ups and had them plying .500 ball for a good portion of last year.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Can’t wait. Nimmo’s gonna hit like Mickey Mantle, d’Arnaud’s gonna give us Johnny Bench-type production, and we’re going win three straight WS titles. You heard it here first!

    Great work, Sandy! You’re a genius! I love you!

    XOXO

  • HawkZon

    Funny how we really needed SS and first base to be addressed and instead SA
    signed two OF and now we have an OF clusterf**k.

  • elcorazon86

    SS is a position the Mets need to upgrade. What other position do you upgrade. Outfield? Who sits then? SS is the obvious position. The Mariners and Diamondbacks needs pitching. Seems like a good match. The Mets have been playing good defense though and Tejada has looked good in this area. I still think a trade for Franklin would be a good fit. Franklin can hit and play average defense. The fact is as long as the Mets are winning its easier for Alderson to hold off and make a move. The Mets need to make at least one move to improve this team for the summer. If the Mets are winning then getting some offense will help.

  • Hodges14

    It’s only a clusterf**k because of Collins. Granderson should start every day. Lagares should start every day. The Youngs should split time in left.

  • Big Daddy D

    The places where we can upgrade is SS, C, 1B in terms of hitting.
    Legitimate better SS will be available and are out there (not Stephen Drew).
    We can either truly be patient with d’Arnaud or pull a trigger to get a better hitter somewhere else but it won’t be a better catcher.
    1B can be upgraded if Duda fails
    OF we’re done with Grandy, Lagares and the Young-sters.

  • dnotch

    Theres only SS to upgrade right now but SA is waiting out either teams dropping their asking price for Franklin, Didi, etc or after the June draft he signs Drew with no draft pick compensation and for a lower pro-rated salary

  • What do you think they’ve been doing? You would have had them add incrementally at the ML level over the past 4 years? How? By signing free agents who won’t be much use by the time the rest of the team catches up? There aren’t many 23 year old ML free agents out there

  • edheran

    “more better” ?

  • Hodges14

    What do you think they’ve been doing?

    Stalling for time as the owners try to figure out how to maintain control of the franchise. And, yes there are 23 year old international free agents available every year. Fact is you don’t have to completely neglect your major league team while you are building up the farm system but that is exactly what they Mets have done. The “Plan” has been to gut the payroll because the owners are broke.

  • Biggle Boy

    Sandy saying he has the authority for payroll to go high enough to make an impact trade, would be like Tejada saying he has the authority to swing for the fences, to make an impact on the offense.

  • Buster

    Will the Mets ask their true fans to sign a petition that we believe Sandy this time?

  • And how many ML ready international free agents would have satisfied you? And how many have there been? What would’ve been the point?
    It’s a rebuild. You don’t sign quality FAs at the start of a rebuild because that is a waste.
    When you’re nearly done, you do. Which they have.
    Still upset that our cheap owners were too cheap to sign Bourne last year?

  • mad met

    Lol

  • donobrien

    Collins put the Hex on Granderson’s bat, conspired with Scott Boras to keep Drew unavailable, urged Fred to invest more in the Ponzi scheme, writes Alderson’s deceitful statements for him. If you only knew the extent of Terry’s involvement in the Metropolitan’s problems, you would be as frightened by this man as I am.

  • T Boogy

    How many days have all 4 outfielders been healthy and on the team? Zero. Don’t see the clusterf***.

  • Rocky Thompson

    Sandy Alderson has ruined the Mets long tradition of trading prospects more expensive veteran. Oh the good old days of Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano. Or the good even older days of Nolan Ryan for Jim Fergosi. Offer Stephen Drew 2 yrs, $28 million. Trade Montero for NIck Franklin. Show us the money Sandy. A 15-11 record will not appease the fan base unless you spends some money.

  • jason bay

    Having the authority to increase payroll does not mean that you want to trade an Izzy for Billy Taylor, Bay for Middlebrooks, Mora for Bordick, Kazmir for Zambranno, Smith, Vargas and everyone else for Putz.

    If the right deal cannot be executed then the correct move is to make no deal, not make a bad one.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown
  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    “General manager Sandy Alderson reiterated his 90 win goal for the Mets this season and also said he is AUTHORIZED to increase payroll if HE needs to.

    Sandy Lovers cant use the blame Wilpon mantra here. He shouldve used that money on Jose Abreu, Idiot GM.

  • Hodges14

    That’s ridiculous. The team that Alderson inherited had Reyes, Wright and Beltran. That’s enough to build around to put a competitive team on the field. The only reason they didn’t do that is because the owners are not financially capable of fielding a competitive team because their illegal revenue stream was cut off when they got caught in the Madoff scheme. Everything since has been spin to divert attention from those facts.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Pace, pace, pace. David Wright is on a 6-HR pace. So much for 93 win predictions. 26 games isn’t; quite enough to tell if they’re really a good enough team, which is all that matters. If June comes and they’re still in the thick of it then talk of payroll increases will be relevant. Right now all this stuff is just to feed the 24/7 news cycle. Regardless of how much Alderson satisfies the writers’ need for filler it doesn’t change anything We’ve heard it all before. The content itself isn’t even worth commenting on

  • Xavier 22

    The Mets definitely have the chips to make a good trade. A deal centered around one of: Gee, Montero, deGrom or Mejia, plus a B-level prospect should net a decent offensive SS or 1B in return. If it was for a 1B, they could throw Duda into the trade as well.

  • Xavier 22

    If he waits until June for Drew, I suspect the competition will be stiffer as a lot of GMs are probably thinking the same thing.

  • shouldaswung

    I think targeting a Baez (CHC), or Springer (HOU), is our best option. Syndergaard would have to be on the table for Baez, and maybe for Springer too. I would be fine with trading Syndergaard for a LEGITIMATE offensive prospect.

    When Profar comes back healthy, I would love to entertain a Niese for Andrus trade, as well. Texas has other interesting players, like Neftali Feliz, and the depth to move them, for the right package.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    PAce… at the pace we are going we’ll win over 90 games… i could care less about stats, they’re meaningless to me since i root for the team.
    Now, can they keep this up? i doubt it, but i am enjoying watching them win games…

  • peter

    That’s Monday morning quarterback. Most scouts have him pegged as a Mark Reynolds type in the MLB. There is still a lot of season to play as well. I also guess you can say that about all the other teams as well. Even if this team wins 90, there are going to be people who say, oh he should have done this and we would have won more, that’s the way it is. Milwaukee GM is an idiot, they would be so much better with Abreu.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Long tradition and you only mention 3 trades… if you wanted to take a shot to praise sandy alderson, do a longer homework on that… we don’t even draft that well nor develop good prospects to trade them for veterans..

  • shouldaswung

    Even if we win the World Series there will be some who will complain because we didn’t sweep. Some people need to complain, me thinks

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    I am wondering though, how can a guy who’s had 9 straight losing seasons as a GM gets this type of pass!?!?!? i just don’t get it….

  • Rocky Thompson

    deGrom is the Mets #13 rated prospect according to MLB.com. JaCoby Jones (the player most often mentioned as the PTBNL) is the Pirates #17 rated prospect. Assuming Jones is the PTBNL, the Pirates traded a deGrom like prospect and a B-level prospect (Zack Thornton) for a 1B. And who did they get??? Ike Davis!!! Not so sure it as easy to make a trade for a decent offensive SS or 1B as you imply in your post.

  • peter

    What it means is what it has always meant, when the team is ready to win and compete Alderson will add a bat like Edwin Encarnacion, Tulo, Cargo, type of bat from the young pitching depth he has created in the minor and major league level over the last 3 years. Maybe not those players but those types of players. Encarnacion makes the most sense. This was always the plan, if they are in it and these types are available he will get one through trade as apposed to a big contract for many years. There is no 90 win prediction either, it is a goal, there is a huge difference.

  • Matty

    Are you this miserable in every aspect of your life?

  • Rocky Thompson

    Alex, First, nice touch adding the (Ch). Secondly, my post was intended to convey (in a sarcastic way) the message JB posted right after me – “If the right deal cannot be executed then the correct move is to make no deal, not make a bad one.” I agree with most Mets fans that the SS position is entirely unacceptable. Tejada’s talent level screams backup middle infielder. But I also do not want the Mets to do something just to do something. It needs to be the right move. And while a 15-11 record does NOT mean the Mets are going to win 90 games, it does buy SA more time to fix the SS position.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    The only reason I even thought .500 is possible is because they potentially have tradeable pieces like Colon and Young and lots of potential reinforcements in the form of pitching (most important) and positional players like Puello and Flores (if he can find a position). I don’t even consider spending money a possibility. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  • Hotstreak

    If the Mets win WS it will be because of Niese, Gee, Mejia, Murphy, Lagares,Duda,Satin.Flores, Captin Kirk,Puello, That is without Harvey.

    Omar thank you.

    The reason I wrote this post continuing the CORE vs, Sandy Lovers because you contribute more than ANYBODY and can’t enjoy the nice start as we are a team by at least three GM’s if Wright is included.

  • everybodysbuddy

    I also remember some gems that Glavin pitched for us at the end of the season. So I can’t agree on the age issue. If you are suggesting that Colon is a pitcher that needs to be dealt, then I will agree on that since he is not going to be part of our future.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Wow Alex has stalker clones now…smh sad

    FYI Its Not monday morning Quarterbacking when I was screaming this same thing prior to the offseason.

    And no one pegged him as a Mark Reynolds type your full of it, Sandy Lover

  • gameball

    Good point, although deGrom is only one of the 4 pitchers mentioned by X22, and the least-developed of them.

  • Xavier 22

    I never said it would be easy. I said they had the trading chips to do it (and still have a strong farm system afterwards). Sandy has demonstrated that he won’t make a trade just for the sake of “doing something”. If he pulls the trigger on a trade like that, he’d get back more than the 2014 Ike Davis.

  • mad met

    Granderson needs a tennis racket to hit the dam ball .how is it a must that he has to play

  • Hodges14

    It’s because Collins feels the need to talk about it. If he kept his mouth shut and played EY as the 4th outfielder 2 days a week no one would care.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Time for another battle. Sandy Lovers v. #TheCORE.

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4620012/braveheart-o.gif

  • Hodges14

    First year of a 4 years $60M contract. He’s going to get a long chance to hit his way out of it.

  • mad met

    I will sign when the payroll hits 150 million like it should

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    90 wins became a must when Wilpon chimed in, “We better win 90!” Well, then put up.

    And I’ll believe Sandy is even capable of adding those players when he does so. Until then, he’s shown he’s capable of TRADING those players to younger guys.

  • Hodges14

    Alex it’s because of the overwhelming hatred for the owners. Alderson gets a pass because even if he appears to be a habitual liar to the fan base the perception is that he’s being lied to by the owners.

  • metstastic

    Because it doesn’t matter what the fans think. He was brought in from the ground floor, to shake things up and transform a franchise. That doesn’t happen overnight and not without some losses.

  • Not4

    I can’t say I heard the Mark Reynolds comparisons, but what virtually every scout questioned was whether Abreu’s long swing would play in the Majors. The concerns were that he’d have a lot of difficulty with breaking balls and inside fastballs once pitchers started exploiting it. So far, he has debunked that notion.

    I wanted the Mets to go after Abreu, but understood that there was a lot of risk giving such an unknown a LT, expensive contract. Time will tell if Abreu will keep it up or not. But either way, I find it hard to fault any GM who was not willing to take the risk..

  • Rocky Thompson

    Fair point. As for the other two prospects, Montero would probably have more trade value after he shows something on the ML level and Mejia would probably have more value if he shows he can stay healthy for the entire season. As for the making a trade, I would be willing to trade any of them for the right return. Very seldom do big trades take place at the beginning of May.

  • Xavier 22

    So Wheeler, Colon, d’Arnaud, Torres and Dice-K have nothing to do with it? Nor do Thor and Montero waiting in the wings, and a much improved farm system in general, have anything to do with our bright outlook?

    Omar signed some good players that are part of the core, as did Sandy.

  • If Sandy actually comes through on this this year and makes some real moves and uses our young talent to acquire a couple of stronger bats, he’ll go back up a small notch in my book. If, in August, we are still seeing the possibility of 90 wins, and we are looking at a new lineup with a different SS and perhaps a different looking outfield, I’ll be willing to take a small sip of kool aid. If.

  • mad met

    He is what he is a few days off here and there is not going to hurt I did not say to cut him . This guy sucks . Any good pitching and it 4kper game

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Wait, Mark Reynolds??? Ohhh man… you guys are so predictable.
    When we sign someone by sandy, you SL say: Tremendous pick up, wow, solid job by sandy, i like the signing, we could flip that singing into a A level prospect.
    Whenever someone else signs a FA: they suck, they’re not that good, good job sandy for passing them up, overrated..
    Yet, other than Colon having 2 good starts this season all his FA acquisitions have been a failure of epic proportion… but hey, god forbid someone says that because then of course you’ll flip the scrip and say one is not a mets fan or hate sandy personally… can’t win with y’all

  • gameball

    Most of the complaints about TC—other than his over-reliance on one or two relievers—are about his in-game decisions. I don’t go there, even when I don’t agree with his moves, because as often as not his decisions turn out for the best. And all managers get burned by their decisions—look at Sandburg leaving his starter in a batter too long in Philly, and Ruben Tejada of all guys ices the game. And if he pulls his starter maybe Tejada does the same thing and Sandburg gets killed for it anyway.

  • Rocky Thompson

    I agree. They do have the chips. And they do need to upgrade SS. Hopefully the right trade does present itself.

  • Hodges14

    This guy has a history as a proven power hitter. I have no problem giving him some time, especially since I don’t see any better option on the roster.

  • SCarton12

    deGrom was a preseason #13 He would be closer to 7-8 right now. If your point was that it is hard to find a great fielding decent hitting SS, I agree. Good 1B not so hard.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Same lies and same BS about payroll since he arrived… yet, other than dumping salary and waiting for some contracts to be gone, the mets haven’t spend sh** on anybody worth mentioning. they only spent whatever money they made from what the MLB gave teams last year, and even then the job done was garbage…

  • Let’s hope that we get the opportunity to see if this is, in fact, true.

  • SCarton12

    TC is the antichrist.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Leroy has definitely been calling for Abreu since day one, so it’s not Monday morning quarterbacking. My issue with Abreu was whether or not his glove was worth paying for without a DH to turn to. I never thought Sandy would bring him in because such a player isn’t Sandy’s style. So far, Abreu has looked like a slam dunk and easily worth the contract. It could turn out to be a huge mistake on Sandy’s party. So far it definitely is.

  • Buy your season tickets and he’ll love you back!

  • Xavier 22

    Jeter: We did just win the World Series
    Costanza: Yeah. In six games!

  • Xavier 22

    They can take our prospects. But they’ll never take…OUR SHAKE SHAAAAACCKKKKK!!!!!

  • Because, the Plan.

  • MetsFAN660

    That’s OK, Hodges. George Steinbrenner was despised by Yankees fans too. Then they went on a 20 year tear and now they worship his despicable, convicted soul. Winning cures all.

  • Not4

    “Alderson continues to say that the strong minor league pitching depth
    gives him the flexibility to make an impact trade, which is the same
    thing he said last September as well when he was heading into the
    offseason, though nothing ever materialized.”

    Come on Joe. First, it all comes down to whether the right deal materializes. Trading for the sake of trading is a wasteful thing, and could bring some horrible results. Second, Niese, Gee and Mejia were not at top value coming into this season – why trade when a player’s value is depressed? You could argue the same is true of Wheeler, who may take a big step forward this year, or may not. The more each pitch, and pitch effectively this year, the higher their value will be, and the better return on any trade. Likewise for the minor league pitchers – the more they pitch and succeed at higher levels (and possibly the majors), the higher their value will be as well. Same goes for Colon (who I think was signed to 2 years precisely so we can trade him either this season, or this off-season).

    So the fact that the Mets did not trade from their pitching depth this winter is not only not surprising, but it was the right decision to me, unless the right deal came along (which apparently was not the case).

  • Taskmaster4450

    So you didnt think the Mets needed OFs this offseason?

    I guess you would have been happy with an OF of EY, Lagares, and Brown or Kirk?

  • Rocky Thompson

    deGrom has been impressive, and IMO he would probably be around #10 now. One SS who is probably available is Didi Gregerious. He would be a definite upgrade over Tejada. But what is the cost? If it takes Montero and Plawecki to acquire him, is that a good trade? What about Dillon Gee for Didi? While a good 1B is easier to find, not sure the Pirate fans would think it is easy.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    It’s not much of a battle when you own the head to head matchups… 3 straight years proving sandy lovers wrong. If it wasn’t for the whole disqus change and you MB Awesome Heads migrating from that awful site, there’d be not much competition right now. but you guys are just relentless on this slurpfest to sandy

  • Alex68

    transform? into what? a losing one? You guys are really gassed up with this 15-11 record… 3 straight years of futitilty and still y’all here praising the man and using all types of excuses for his short comings… smh…

  • MetsFAN660

    Come on, Leroy. Abreu was a risk, and who knows where he’ll wind up in spite of his great start. And if Duda hits 25 out, it’ll be a wash. It was never about this year anyway, and still shouldn’t be. Breathe deep. Calm down, and enjoy the ride. They’re on their way back.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Yeah he would have trouble with those pitches because he didnt face good pitchers in Cuba and the World Baseball classic whom threw good breaking balls or inside fastballs.

    Most scouts DID NOT have those concerns which is why he commanded such a big deal for a Cuban defector. There were other teams bidding so I dont buy that for 1 second. He was the Babe Ruth of Cuban baseball. He led the league in batting average AND homeruns. He wasnt just a power hitter.

  • Mike Lloyd

    Joe your headline says it all…Alderson TALKS about 90 wins…adding payroll etc. Key word TALKS. He always TALKS never DOES. He’s afraid of being burned and tying up payroll and surrendering prospects. He’s looking for the perfect acquisition. But there’s always a reason NOT to do it. ALWAYS.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Presumed the Pirates are paying it since nothing was mentioned to the contrary but the Mets might have included money in the deal.

    I never saw full details on the deal myself.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    World Series????

    LMFAO….Try getting a record over .500 for the 1st time in years before we even mention World series. That isnt even an option at this point.

  • BronxMets

    The Mets do not have any money to add to the payroll. If you believe this you are naïve. Go to a game see the 5k fans that are there.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    SL foam at the mouth every time sandy alderson speaks… my goodness.. this 15-11 record got many people here ready to go out and buy in-numerous bottles of champagne and playoffs tickets..

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Hodges, any excuse they can use to defend their lord and savior they will use.. this people have ZERO shame…

  • MetsFAN660

    This Sandy lover never heard Mark Reynolds. Heard iffy glove, and knew he had never faced major league pitching. My issue was always the fact that nobody knew what you had in Davis and or Duda, and taking a risk on another unproven 1B didn’t make sense. Just saying, what if Abreu went bust, and Davis and Duda both smacked 25 for other teams. Can you imagine the howling?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Holy Crap @ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments:disqus being objective and fair.

    Ive seen it all. I can die in peace now 😉

  • Hodges14

    Big difference though, isn’t there? Alderson has done nothing but lose since he came to the Mets.

  • MetsFAN660

    And Cashen lost a lot in his first four years. Please. Enjoy this. You’ll live longer.

  • Hodges14

    Cashen didn’t start out with Reyes, Wright and Beltran. Really not comparable situations.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Stop talking like that…you will talk over the heads of most people.

    They do not understand that. The time to trade is when they say it and for the deal they present. Other teams should give up Cargo, Stanton, Tulo, or Trout for out waste. Ike should have been traded for an all star immediately because that is what people on here demanded.

    And prospects increase value? Come on now. These are Met prospects. They are all busts.We need to trade for other teams prospects because they are much better than ours. As you well know, none of the Mets solutions can come from within…well except those that do but that is another story. The other ones in the pipeline wont pan out so the Mets need to make deals and spend money to show they care about winning.

  • MetsFAN660

    Cashen started from scratch. Alderson first needed to get there.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Yeah and two of those guys were in their walk year and one, contrary to the posting of fools the past few years, wasnt going to resign with the Mets (per his own press conference).

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    We knew what Davis and Duda were theyve been here in the majors since 2010-present(2014) thats more than enough time to come up with a conclusion of what a player is or isnt.

    And as far as Abreu not facing major league pitching that is a lie but I’ll chalk it up to ignorance. He has played vs major league pitching in international ball and he has mashed.

    As far as the bust thing thats a cop out, thats why you employ baseball people. The best scouts who can see talent and not need numbers on a stat sheet in order to tell you if a player can or can not play.

    When you sign any player it is a risk. Signing an aging 33yr old Granderson coming off injuries that kept him sidelined for the whole year was a risk. Sandy took it but wouldnt on a young 26yr old who was the best player in a island country that featured players like Puig, Cespedes, Martin, Ramirez, Morales, Chapman etc. He was BETTER than ALL of those players whom came over here and had success. He wasnt an unknown because as soon as he defected from Cuba the MLB was all over him.

  • Hodges14

    When you have 3 allstar caliber assets you’re not starting from scratch.

  • MetsFAN660

    Shhhhhh. They don’t like it when you use facts and stuff.

  • shouldaswung

    Technically, it IS an option at this point 🙂

  • Hodges14

    No relationship is irrepairable. I have no problem with Alderson deciding to trade guys to accelerate the supposed rebuilding, but that’s not what happened here.

  • Mike J

    By dumping Pagan for less than nothing? K-Rod? No, he didn’t need to. He wanted to. The deeper into chaos he plunges, the safer his job is. Pagan nd Reyes were not HIS stupid saber metric leaders. It’s his way or u go off nd have success elsewhere

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    For those of a particular vintage, the late 1970s may well have been worse than the current situation. 1980 was an inflection point with the signing of Strawberry and the late season call up of Mookie Wilson. But it still took four years to put a winning team on the field. This is not a defense of SA. With the right mindset, it’s possible he could have sped up the process, but he chose deconstruct mode. My concern is he seems slow to pick up on market dynamics, or simply ignores them out of arrogance. Let’s say his record to date is mixed…

  • Hodges14

    I think he’s just not able to participate in the market because of the financial situation that the owners have placed themselves in.

  • Hodges14

    Even that is fine but then you have to maximize what you get back. You don’t let Reyes, who is one of your most valuable assets walk for no return.

  • Hodges14

    That will all change soon with the loyalty oath.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Granderson was a risk
    C.Young was a risk
    Bartolo was a risk
    Wheeler was a risk(trading an allstar)
    TDA was a risk(starting w/no backup)

    Its baseball you weigh the risk/reward and the rewards of Abreu outweighed any risk

    Like I said below to you

    “When you sign any player it is a risk. Signing an aging 33yr old Granderson coming off injuries that kept him sidelined for the whole year was a risk. Sandy took it but wouldnt on a young 26yr old who was the best player in a island country that featured players like Puig, Cespedes, Martin, Ramirez, Morales, Chapman etc. He was BETTER than ALL of those players whom came over here and had success. He wasnt an unknown because as soon as he defected from Cuba the MLB was all over him.”

    As far as if Duda hits 25HR’s it being a wash is COMICAL lol…Abreu is younger and has already almost equaled ALL of Dudas 2013 production in just ONE MONTH of play lol…

    Enjoy what ride???

    Unlike some of you Im not fooled by the Mets current record. Im all too familiar with these Mets to be tricked into believing the hype.

  • Sandy Lovers don’t exist, Alex. Sandy Haters, however, do. What you mistake for “Sandy Lovers” are people who recognize reality, see the merit in building a young core for sustained success and see in handing out large and long contracts to players who are likely to decline. What you continuously and to your serious discredit fail to recognize is that the Mets were in steep decline when SA took over and the owners don’t have the money to sign 5 big ticket free agents not to mention the folly in doing so.

    The plan is working. This team is fun to watch in the present and has a far brighter future than it did when the target of your irrational hatred took the reins.

    So is Nimmo still a bust or is the sample size now suddenly too small to tell?

  • Not4

    Leroy, try arguing facts. 4 teams were reportedly in on the bidding. If this guy was such a guaranteed stud, it would have been more. Throughout October, it was widely written that scouts had concerns. See this story from MLBTradeRumors right after he signed, which gives some of the facts, like:

    “Sources tell Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter links) that bidding for Abreu was fast and furious with four clubs bidding between $63MM and $66M. It’s not known which four teams put those bids down, but the White Sox’s winning bid of $68MM wasn’t excessive.

    While Abreu’s power is impressive, scouts are split over whether his power will translate against major league pitching, writes Ben Badler of Baseball America. Some consider his bat speed is just average and he appears vulnerable to good fastballs on the inner third of the plate. The first baseman lacks the athleticism of fellow Cuban stars Yoenis Cespedes and Yasiel Puig.

    The scouting consensus is that Masahiro Tanaka is better than Abreu and the total price tag for the Japanese hurler should be going up, tweets Badler.

    While some are up in arms about Abreu’s price tag, Tim Dierkes of MLBTradeRumors (via Twitter) notes that there is plenty chance for Abreu to be something between boom or bust at $11.3MM annually.”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/10/reactions-to-jose-dariel-abreu-signing-with-white-sox.html

  • Captain America

    Bronx if you repeat the myth enough times you will believe it is true.

    I have been to games with 5k or less in the stands way back when. It hasn’t happened at citi my friend. Hasn’t happened….

  • Captain America

    What does the ch stand for?

  • Not4

    Here’s exactly what Badler said after the signing:

    “While Abreu’s power is unquestioned, the scouting community is split over whether his power will translate against major league pitching. Some scouts consider his bat speed to be only average at best, which combined with the way his hitting mechanics have him crowd the plate and cut himself off, has left him vulnerable to good fastballs on the inner third of the plate. Some scouts have also noted a tendency to chase hard sliders off the plate.

    Abreu lacks the athleticism of recent Cuban stars like Cespedes and Yasiel Puig (his former teammate in Cuba), so his value is heavily centered on his power-hitting potential. He has solid hands and an average arm at first base.”

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/jose-abreu-agrees-to-deal/

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    When he does spend, he seems to play it very safe, which of course can have its pitfalls. I understand that plans are moving targets, but with the exception of stocking young arms, it’s hard to see a cogent plan in place. Given the fragile nature of pitching, I’d be hesitant to trade any of them, even though that would be an approach to acquiring position player talent, which is clearly not our strength…

  • MetsFAN660

    So far you’ve called it right on him, Leroy. Maybe you should be GM, but if I was the owner, I’d want to hire a GM who doesn’t think everything can change in a blink. I’d want someone to start from scratch. You mentioned that Alderson had Wright, Reyes and Beltran to build around. Well, he still has Wright, he has Plawecki, and he has Wheeler. You’re a GM. You can take either set of 3 to build around, (starting this year). That’s right, of course you’d take the second group. And because you’ve taken then rocky road back to relevance, you also have a stacked farm system with arms and position players. And because you’ve only made one less-than-brilliant FA signing, Granderson, you’ve only given up one draft pick, (one too many), so you can continue to build a team that will compete over the long haul. Just sayin’, they’re 15-11 after the toughest part of their schedule, and with their ace and their closer out for the year. Stop with the complaining. Have a cream soda. 🙂

  • Hodges14

    It’s happened this year. The end of the last homestand they did better but they have had games this year with less than 5K in the stands. I’ve also been to Shea in the (similar) dark days of the late 1970s/early 1980s very similar.

  • Hodges14

    The plan is to reduce expenses so that the owners can hang on. He’s doing that pretty well.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Every team that needed a 1B were in on Abreu. And I dont need to read old scouting reports.

    What you dont realize is a LOT of these scouting reports that are leaked are put out there to SWAY people. Scouts do this for the NFL Draft as well they put out unfavorable reports in order to sway public opinion of a prospect and put doubt in others scouts minds. Its poker.

    And I love how when Abreu is mentioned its always he doesnt face MLB pitchers but when Tanaka is mentioned its HE WAS THe BEST IN JAPAN he will be great in the MLB lol….Dont believe EVERYTHING you read.

    You cant skate around the fact that he was the BEST PLAYER in CUBA bar none and one of the BEST TO EVER PLAY in CUBA ever. Puig and Cespedes werent even on the same planet as Abreu. Abreu was Miggy in Cuba and Puig and Cespedes were on Hunter Pence level.

    Youre making excuses now. Point blank it was always a failure by the Mets for not pursuing and signing this guy.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    True. Unsatisfying as a fan but true…

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    So I should stop complaining because they are 15-11 right now????

    LMAO….Your name is @MetsFAN660:disqus??? So I will remember that when we are below .500 and struggling to win games so we can rehash this discussion. And please stop with the excuses about so and so being hurt.

    And we are NOT stacked with Position player prospects you may want to research our farm and compare it to others.Pitching, yes…position players NO!

  • SteveBrooklyn777

    Most are not fooled. Attendance is still down, is it not?

  • Captain America

    I can go to BR and see attendance. Which game.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Please. I always am. You just don’t want to admit it or acknowledge it.

  • Hodges14

    You can see tickets sold.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’ve never seen someone so happy to have a losing team. You just love it. Losses are like sliding into a warm bath for you. I don’t know why you even bother.

  • BronxMets

    yeh it has sorry bud

  • Not4

    Here is an excerpt from Tim Dierkes, in which he first extolled the potential for Abreu to be a beast offensively (which is what is happening now), then noted:

    “Abreu’s bat speed was questioned in a pair of excellent reports from Badler and Crasnick, and there are multiple scouts who feel he will struggle against hard fastballs inside. Crasnick talked to a scout who described Abreu as a less-athletic Dayan Viciedo, a player with a .264/.306/.432 line in over 1,200 big league plate appearances. In sum, Viciedo has been about replacement level for his career. The scout felt that Abreu has more power than Kendrys Morales, but is a worse hitter. There are few questions about Abreu’s power, but will he be able to hit for average or draw a walk? Badler has noted that scouts and teams have extensive history watching Abreu, but based on reports, it’s unclear whether they project him over or under Morales’ .333 career OBP.”

    The Badler piece he was referring to stated:

    “While Abreu dominated the Cuban league, scouts are mixed on whether his skill set will translate against major league pitching. At 6-foot-3, 250 pounds, he’s a righthanded hitter with plus-plus raw power who can hit soft stuff in the strike zone, but he has a tendency to chase hard breaking pitches off the plate. Some scouts are concerned about his bat speed and the way he cuts himself off with his swing, particularly coming off a World Baseball Classic in which he looked vulnerable against decent fastballs on the inner third. Some scouts said they would rather have Napoli than Abreu.”

    The Crasnick piece stated:

    “The scouting community is more restrained in its evaluation. We interviewed four talent evaluators with extensive international experience for this story. Speaking on the condition of anonymity, they provided their takes on Abreu and the attributes he brings to the table.

    …Multiple scouts used the term “slider-speed bat” in reference to Abreu. Translation: He might be challenged against pitchers who can crowd him with fastballs on the inner half of the plate.

    … Another expressed concern that Abreu looks “confused” against breaking balls and thought he could benefit from a little seasoning in the upper minors. Once Abreu gets the hang of major league pitching,the consensus is that he has the strength to hit 30 homers by accident.

    “If you throw him 90-92 [mph] inside, he gets beat a lot,” said a scout for a National League club. “I don’t think he’s going to hit a good hard fastball in. But there’s a lot of marginal pitching out there.The No. 1 and 2 starters are going to get him out, but he’s going to feast on the 3, 4 and 5 guys. That’s where he’s going to make his money.

    “His swing is thick and sort of stiff. His front arm gets kind of rigid, and it’s more a strength swing than a real quick bat. But he’s a smart hitter, and he’s not just up there swinging out of his butt. He’s crafty. I think he’ll make the adjustments.”

    Bottom line, there were enough questions about his ability to succeed at the MLB level, that made him enough of a risk to warrant a GM taking a pass. Had he been a sure thing, he would have commanded a larger contract and had more teams involved in the bidding (like Tanaka). It’s been one month – one heckuva month for sure. Looks like he is more than panning out, but in fairness, it is still a SSS. But regardless of whether he is the real deal superstar, or a Soriano (puts up big numbers against inferior pitching, but comes up small in post-season, etc), or winds up being a Mark Reynolds (having one or two big years and then nothing), there is no doubt that there was risk with that signing.

  • jason bay

    That’s the way every team is.

    Think 2006 was just Minaya? Guess again. Reyes, Wright, Glavine, Floyd, Trachsel, Heilman and pieces to trade in Cameron, Benson, Seo, Matsui, Jacobs, Petit…..That’s the way it always it but what that has to do with not making a bad trade, just to make one escapes me.

  • jason bay

    I noticed a much louder crowd during the Cardinal and Marlin Series.

  • Not4

    But that’s just it, I am not making excuses now. I felt this way back in October of last year. My first instinct was that we have to sign this guy. Then, when I saw that the cost would be in the $70K range, I paused, before still concluding it would be worth the risk. But at that time, I also believed that the risk was enough to justify a GM from not wanting to risk a potentially bad long term contract.

    When he signed with the ChiSox, I was disappointed, but not overly angry. I know not to believe everything I read, but I also know that it goes both ways – rarely does a player live up to the hype and there have been so many busts from Cuba who were highly touted over the years, it is impossible to ignore that as well.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Well, the Cards fan base always follow, and with the marlins, people like to see stars, Stanton is one so.. with that being said, attendence still down, fans aren’t buying this 15-11 start as some in this blog are.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Dumping Pagan for less than nothing?

    It was a bad trade. All GMs make that. Funny how fans on here are bitching about him not making moves to get a bat yet criticize when a move was made.

    And KRod was a bum for much of the two years after he was traded. Come on. He didnt even have a job last Spring…he had to use the WBC to audition.

  • Not4

    Even the ChiSox GM acknowledged that it was a risky signing when he made it. But he figured it was a risk that he had to take to try to jump start his team.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Did the Cards let Pujols walk for no return?

    The Red Sox let Ellsbury walk?

    The Cards let Beltran walk?

    How about the return the Yankees got on Cano? Oh wait, nothing.

  • TJ

    JB,
    I agree, and likely most if not all agree that a trade simple for the sake of trading is not the answer. Alderson is being paid a great deal of money, likely more than at least half of the guys on the roster, to make the correct deal. Patience is a virtue and a sign of discipline, but he is into his 4th season, and is now sitting with a 15-11 team that has the worse offense in baseball, likely the worst bullpen, and a minor league SS. I can’t believe that there are not one or two “correct” deals to be made. Let’s see Mr. Alderson eran his paycheck and make some moves.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    The plan is working?? and somehow you have the audacity to tell me that sandy lovers don’t exist????? How’s the plan working? Please, enlighten ALL OF US.
    Is it the 15-11 record so far? The team is FUN to watch? have you watched this team? are you being serious? if it wasn’t for the overachieving pitching we’ve gotten so far we’d be doomed right now. also, we’ve caught teams at the right time so far, good for us for having a good record so far, are you positive this will keep up? Remember 2012?? No? Okay, i suggest you go and check again…
    Nimmo? Good to see him tearing it up so far. you’re asking me if it’s a small sample or not? Idk, you tell me… is Noah’s terrible start so far in triple A a small sample or not? with you SL i have no idea how to control such things.
    When things go well during a week y’all ready to go and celebrate like we just won the championship
    When things don’t go as plan, then you SL preach patient and understanding and it’s not sandy’s fault. totally Agenda driven fan base the Sandy loving crowd.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    The plan is working…. forget the 3 years of losing, the terrible FA pick ups, the nothing to show for draft picks so far, the plan is working.. Why you ask? Because we’re 15-11

  • MetsFAN660

    They didn’t win with those guys. And the farm system was a mess. I think this just comes down to you wanting to win something anything once, and me wanting to dominate over the long term. So far, they’re doing things my way. They tried your way for 10+ years and came up empty. I had plenty of legitimate beefs during those years, but I always saved my I told you so’s until they were actually out of it. Now, it’s your turn to second guess everything, but can you please just wait to see how it turns out, (and realize that it’s not supposed to happen this year), before calling it a failure?

  • MetsFAN660

    Jose Reyes left because another team paid him more than he deserved to be paid, and every Mets fan should be grateful that his albatross of a contract is somebody else’s problem. And he was my favorite player, so don’t give me crap about not liking him. It’s the truth.

  • TPT

    Hello and have you all read the posts on MMO this morning???… I DID and lets see one is about Syndergaard and his strong outing and how everyone is foaming at the mouth for his M.L.B. debut another is about how last year it was ‘What outfield”? and with Lagares back its now “what do we do with all these outfielders”? and on this post is about how we can trade from strength now that we actually have some incredibly talented pitchers in our system that everybody wants… AND SAY WHAT YOU WANT MYSELF INCLUDED…but the person responsible for putting this team back into a positive situation is none other than SANDY ALDERSON our memories become very short when you think just how worse off we were before SA was hired….lets give some credit were credit is due…

  • HarveyKsYou

    An impact trade, to me, would be acquiring someone like Tulo or Cargo… I would not consider getting someone like a Daniel Murphy type an “impact” player, though it could really help us nonetheless.

  • Adam Heath

    KRod had to go…Pagan had me scratching my head when that deal was made.

  • Hodges14

    Did those teams have backup plans? Did they go out and spend the money that would have gone towards those players on new acquisitions? Did the Mets? I recall the Mets curling up into a fetal position and not making any attempt to win.

  • TPT

    true and SA said he can increase payroll but we’d mistaken if we thought that meant he’d take on a 136 million dollar contract like whats owed to Tulo that just wont happen

  • dealingwithidiots

    Do you write for a soap opera as your day job? You take everything, twist it, lie about it, and exaggerate beyond the ridicules.

  • Hodges14

    Wait? It’s not supposed to happen this year? For 3 years we heard it was supposed to happen this year.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I think it was more like 20 years…since the days of signing Coleman.

  • dealingwithidiots

    and somehow you have the audacity to tell me that sandy lovers don’t exist??

    There is no such thing as a Sandy Lover, with perhaps the exception maybe of his wife, but that’s his business.

  • Adam Heath

    There is a stark difference between the other three and Reyes. Both the Cardinals and Beltran were contending/Playoff teams. They aren’t going to trade one of their star players just because they don’t intend to sign them. The reports indicated the Yankees were trying to retain Cano on their team, so that’s why they didn’t trade him.

    The Mets on the other hand, pretended like we wanted to keep Reyes, but never made an offer. They could’ve gotten a great return during his last season but didn’t I’m guessing for two reasons: The fans and the potential batting title. We never had a batting title winner so that’s why they kept him. Mets ownership is very fickle and always has been. My guess is Sandy would’ve traded him if it were up to him.

  • Hodges14

    That’s fine. But once Alderson decided not to being Reyes back he should have traded him.

  • Taskmaster4450

    What did you hear? Did you watch what was going on? Did you pay attention to what was done?

    What does it mean when a GM says he is going to have to built the “organization from the bottom up”?

  • Adam Heath

    This was supposed to be the year before Harvey got hurt.

  • HarveyKsYou

    You add Tulo to this lineup and defensively, if Grandy starts hitting, then we can truly compete for a WC spot.

  • HarveyKsYou

    For this year.. Next year with Harvey we’d be a lock for completion for the WC Spot.

  • astoriacub

    a ticket sold is a ticket sold and still counts as incoming revenue.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    TPT, the season is young.. what if, just like in 2012, our early winning record disappear and once again we finish below 500. What will you say then?? give him some credit? for what? the offense still sucks, the pitching he inherited, the bullpen is patch work, if anything, this is miracle level of surprise that we’re 15-11

  • Hodges14

    Harvey was hurt 8 months before the season started. There was plenty of time to get a replacement. In 2011 Adam Wainwright suffered a similar injury right before opening day. Should the Cardinals have used that as an excuse to not compete? They had a legitimate excuse, by the time Wainwright went down there were very limited options.

  • Hodges14

    Dangerous to expect 2015 Harvey to be the same thing we saw in 2013. That’s asking a lot for a guy coming back from arm surgery.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Wanna know who’s a sandy lover and who’s not? Look for a post, any post where sandy’s been defended or someone is saying Sandy lovers don’t exists, see who “thumbs up” it and there’s your answer….

  • Hodges14

    Read the thread. Nice comment but the conversation was about how many people were in the stands.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    You mad because i have been exposing your lord and savior?

  • Captain America

    Name the game

  • jason bay

    We had to slash payroll 33% even with Perez, Castillo, K-Rod, Santana and Bay eating up 180 M over 3 years and very little (other than Harvey) coming up from the farm.

    As for the picks what have we gotten this year from the 2008, 2009 and 2010 drafts?

  • BMac

    When he says he has the authority to increase payroll he is lying. Plain and simple.

  • jason bay

    Those crowds were loud when the Mets did well.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Cashen didn’t lie… he didn’t promise a winning team right away, while he inherited no good players on the team he said we’ll win a WS, it’ll take time and he delivered.
    Sandy’s here to clear payroll, spend as less as possible, lie about it and gtfo town.. and please, don’t disrespect cashen like that, Cashen was 2103940924097 times better than Sandy Alderson will ever be…
    You guys seem to forget this man haven’t had a winning season as a GM since 1992, most of you weren’t even born by then… Also, go and see the padres and tell me they are not still feeling the effect him and his cronies left there..

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Wright, we should be very happy and content with Wright’s and CG’s albatross contracts right??

  • dealingwithidiots

    Jesus Christ? No way, nothing you can do to expose MY lord and savior.

  • MetsFAN660

    Patience, Leroy. Have a glass of milk. My point is that this year doesn’t matter. It’s about the long run. And fine, I’m thinking a system with Puello, Plawecki, Nimmo, Herrera, and Smith is pretty good. But of course, all systems can improve by trading from strength, and the Mets strength is pitching. So just relax. It will all be fine soon enough.

  • MetsFAN660

    Maybe the voices in your head were saying that. Those of us who live in reality know exactly what was said.

  • jason bay

    Well he built a team that went to 3 consecutive World Series. Then had to tear it down and while doing so provided subsequent teams with Hudson, Mulder, Tejada, Weiss, Chavez, Giambi and Ramon Hernandez which firmed the basis of another perennial playoff team.

    Sure you prefer to go to the postseason once a decade but that’s not everyone’s opinion.

  • BCleveland3381

    If we were 5 games below .500 right now, I bet you wouldn’t be saying the season is young…

  • jason bay

    Sure it is.

  • BCleveland3381

    Hard to tell. It seems like he probably has some money to play with. He had an offer out to Balfour for 6 mil per year that they never fully spent, and they just dumped Ike’s salary. Those two things alone would have raised payroll 7-9 million dollars. Not a ton of money, but it’s something.

  • MetsFAN660

    I was being nice.

  • TPT

    Alex do you actually read what you comment on??or do you just argue for the sake of arguing? because if you did you’d realize what i said has not one thing to do with wins or loses or early or late..what i said was we now have some positives..and what we now have are some options and 3 years ago we didn’t have others teams drooling for the pitchers we have in our system or on the major league roster like they do now..and even last year we debated Cowgills and Baxters and Ankiels in the outfield is this not true??? if you can argue these points then im sorry but your head is stuck in the mud…no other way to put it my friend

  • murph180

    i actually am starting to feel a lot better about this team. when the season first started, i thought they would be a disgrace. however, with the offense being this bad and having a record of 15-11, this team can make some noise… not trying to say anything crazy, but once Wright and Grandy get into gear, watch out. plus if they can acquire a better shortstop anytime soon

  • jdon48

    i don’t enjoy watching them try to hit. But I will take the pitching

  • MetsFAN660

    Fair point, but he was just coming off an injury at the deadline, and they probably did just as well with Plawecki. So there’s that.

  • metstastic

    I am not talking about their current record as much as the direction the team is going. This team was transformed from a broken down team with under performing / injured veteran players with no farm to speak of… to a young team that has a lot of powerhouse pitching on it’s way. The next 3 years will be a very exiting time for this franchise and I can’t wait.. LGM!!!

  • MetsFAN660

    I’ve read a lot of your posts, Alex, and I don’t think you bring much to the table. Leroy and Hodges, I get where their frustration comes from, but you, I think you just like to whine. Good day. 🙂

  • BCleveland3381

    Bingo. Not a Mets fan. Only wants to win on his terms. Pathetic.

  • jason bay

    K-Rod was traded because the Mets couldn’t afford the 17 M.

    Pagan was traded because the Mets couldn’t afford to re-sign him and most people wanted him traded for a bag of balls anyway.

    Reyes wasn’t re-signed because his money was given to Bay and plenty if guys were out if our reach because of the 80 M owed to Santana and the bank imposed restrictions on payroll.

    All the eggs were put into 2006-2010 and we had to start all over while slashing payroll and waiting out the albatross deals of Santana and Bay but the farm has improved enormously and because of that we have a chance.

    A good chance.

  • MetsFAN660

    I can see why they felt it was necessary to sign Wright. He’s the Captain, and he will hold most if not all of the Mets records when his time here is done. Grandy was a mistake, although we don’t know how bad yet, (and it won’t be as bad as Bourne, Upton, Peralta, Drew, Arroyo, Hughes, would have been).

  • Taskmaster4450

    Only Alex is dramatic enough to compare a GM to a historical figure who goes back 2,000 years and mix them up.

  • BCleveland3381

    There is a difference between being a “Sandy Lover” and just wanting the Mets to win. I know it’s hard for a fake fan like you to comprehend, but winning is what all actual fans want. We don’t care who the GM is. It’s gotta be a pretty sad life for a non mets fan like you to just troll a message board of a team you cant even bring yourself to root for….pathetic.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Did you enjoy watching the Marlins try to hit when they were in town? How about the Braves? Cardinals?

    Did you notice that all teams were struggling? It might have something to do with the weather conditions. When it is about 50 or below, the pitchers have an extreme advantage.

  • Taskmaster4450

    They also need production from TdA and CY.

  • Jgreen

    Was Beltran never interested playing for Mets last off season?

  • astoriacub

    Tickets sold is more important than bodies in the stands…

  • Taskmaster4450

    Beltran wasnt interested in playing for the Mets after he was traded in 2011.

    He stated that in his Yankee press conference. He hates the Wilpons and felt disrespected by them and the FO (not sure if that is Omar or Aldersons or both).

    Besides Beltran always wanted to play for the Yankees. The only reason he ended up in Flushing is because the Yankees wouldnt agree to Boras demand of no compensation tied to his FA. Hell, even the Royals offered more money last off season and Beltran passed to sign with the Yankees.

  • Lotus1209

    Would you honestly put it on Harvey to fail though? I have so much confidence in him I almost expect him to be as dominant.

  • astoriacub

    what does it matter if someone is a “Sandy Lover’ or not? Sounds like a juvenile popularity contest.

  • Hodges14

    Are the Mets really a young team?

    Bartolo Colon 41
    Bobby Abreu 40
    Kyle Farnsworth 38
    Jose Valverde 36
    Curtis Granderson 33
    Dice-K 33
    Quintanilla 32
    Rice 32
    Wright 31
    Torres 31
    Recker 30
    Chris Young 30

    That’s 12 out of 25 who are 30 or older.

    You also have

    Daniel Murphy 29
    Eric Young 29
    Josh Satin 29

  • Metropolitan

    Yeah nothing but more hot air from Sandy Alderson…got to say I hate this guy’s guts

  • Hodges14

    I don’t know that I’d expect him to repeat his 2013 performance even if he hadn’t gotten hurt. It’s hard to have multiple seasons that good.

  • Hodges14

    Not sure I agree with that but regardless, it’s not what we were discussing.

  • Hodges14

    As we just saw with the Ike Davis trade, you don’t need to wait until July to make trades.

  • TPT

    2010 PITCHERS Manny Acosta, Elmer Dessens,Ryota Igarashi,Pat Misch,Fernando Nieve,Hisanori Takahashi,Raul Valdes CATHERS Jose Thole,Rob Barajas and Henry Blanco..INFIELDERS.Joaquin Arias,Luis Castillo,Frank Catalanotto,Alex Cora,Ike Davis,Luis Hernandez,Mike Hessman,Mike Jacob,Fernando Tatis,JustinTurner ,David Wright OUTFIELDERS, Jeff Francoeur,Nick Evans,Chris Carter,Fernando Martinez..and 2014 its all about Harvey and Montero and Degrom and Nimmo, and TDA, and Wheeler and Gee and Niese,Lagares, and D.Smith and Plawecki and Puello and Matz and Herrera and even Grandy and EY and CY ……HEY ALEX68 IM A SANDY LOVER THEN SO WHERE DO I SIGN UP ?lol

  • Hodges14

    Wait, you’re crossing streams. 2014 has been all about Jose Valverde and Kyle Farnsworth and Bobby Abreu and Scott Rice and Recker and Tejada and Quintanilla and Andrew Brown. We haven’t seen Montero, Harvey (of course) Degrom, Nimmo, D Smith, Plawecki, Puello, Matz and Herrera.

  • TPT

    if this isnt improvement and a lot better then back then you missed the point sorry

  • Hodges14

    But you compared guys from the 2010 team to guys who aren’t on the 2014 team. Makes no sense.

  • jdon48

    I think pitching is making a comeback. But I think some of those teams will come around to a degree. Not so sure about our boys

  • jaygreen55

    I don’t love Sandy but here’s one defending Sandy for you and all the other Sandy Haters out there.

    In an earlier exchange I asked you who the best GM in Mets History. You correctly answered Frank Cashen without a doubt and stated that Sandy was the worst. Let’s compare them

    What was Frank Cashen’s record his first 3 years as GM?

    Answer : 241-348 for a .410 winning percentage (compared to Sandy’s
    227-261 .465) In that time he made some shrewd trades for prospects and Keith Hernandez, signed a couple of over the hill Free agents and improved the minor league system to the point where they had young players ready to contribute. Kind of like what Sandy has done so far

    Then 1984 happened and the Mets began turrning it around. Cashen moved on the success of 1984 made the Gary Carter deal for Hubie Brooks, a prized pitching prospect (Floyd Youmans who never panned out), a backup Catcher (Mike Fitzgerald)and a 4th outfielder (herm Winningham) and acquired Howard Johnson for Walt Terrell (a Dillon Gee type)

    I see a lot of similarites between this years team and 1984 (also 15-11 after 26 games). Daniel Murphy is roughly equivalent to Hubie and they have surplus pitching and other pieces to make a trade on the magnitude of the Carter deal

    WHy you think Sandy is so awful when he’s following the same basic blueprint as the the man you describe as the best GM in Mets history is beyond me

  • Captain America

    Isn’t chago another poster?

  • Imagine if Sandy has the “stones” to get Jose Abreu. Things would look even better

  • MetsFAN660

    Sure, you can trade a player when he’s injured too. Just not gonna get more than a case of balls for him.

  • Metropolitan

    Bank Of America said it would be too high risk of a contract ..

  • mad met

    I’m ok with sandy as long as he is not aloud to pick out the free agents . Will give him and his staff credit for the pitchers and up coming kids and some nice trades but my god please let someone else pick the free agents

  • DrewC

    Looks more like 2015 or maybe even 2016 to me.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    yea, or make the trade for upton, instead of ATL getting him.

  • Not4

    Well said!

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    cant compare guys who aren’t here, or the izzy, plusifer, and willson k generation piteches would of been 3 doc goodens about to join the team. Never happened. Of alex Ochoa, or david west who was compared to seaver. Got to get here and do it, then we can say we have something.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    no

  • billpulsipher

    I want to hear about all the young arms and then look out and see Valverde, Dice K and Farnsworth

  • Captain America

    Wow that is horrible – I had no idea. My thoughts and prayers for Chago and his family. Let’s pray for a miracle.

  • I agree. He doesn’t have as much as he should but he has some flexibility. That was what he wanted from the beginning, year to year flexibility due to young players and cash. Almost there I hope.

  • Not4

    TPT, you’ve read enough of that guy’s posts to realize he is incapable of looking at anything other than W’s and L’s. No comprehension of what it takes to get there. No appreciation for improvement that is a harbinger for success and sustained success at that. As for where his head may be stuck, well, that is subject to debate I suppose. Mud is a nice way of putting it.

  • Not4

    Ha!! Of course not.

  • Mets Magic

    Good teams make dynamic moves…with apologies to Paul DePodesta, the ’86 Mets were built on home growns – Doc, Straw, Backman, Mookie, Dykstra — trades for young pitching – Darling – & trades for All-Star Caliper vets…Hernandez, Carter…Sandy has not shown any proclivity for acquiring impact caliper veteran’s – Grandeson is the lone exception but that was more a straight up trade for Marlon Byrd as far as I’m concerned – In addition – take Joel Hanrahan, heard a list of teams interested in him on SNY…all contenders…said the Met’s were not interested in him…Alderson said multiple times how much he admired K-Rod…didn’t talk to him when he was available…Jose Abreau on the White Sox..Sandy was too smart to even entertain signing him…Ultimately, I don’t think Sandy’s method with the Wilpon’s culture and budget can truly change this team UNLESS they both change their postures

  • Taskmaster4450

    To start, Alderson didnt need to trade for a Hernandez since he already that in Wright. Some might dispute that but Wright is the cornerstone All Star of the franchise. As for Hanrahan, what is the difference between him and other reclamation projects? He is coming off an injury and if he didnt perform, that attacks would be loud (remember Marcum). As for KRod, you dont even know what Alderson did with him since KRod admitted that he had offers from other teams but waited until the Brewers made him an offer to accept. He wanted to go back to Milwaukee. Maybe Alderson didnt even talk to KRod, but we know of two other relievers he made offers to…would him giving KRod an offer be out of line? Finally, people can whine about Abreau all the way…the bottom line is the Mets felt that 1B offered a solution in house and they decided not to go outside the organization. The results might show this is a bad move but entering the offseason, the Mets had 4 or 5 guys they could call 1B.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Why not, arent people on here screaming to trade for Franklin? What has shown? How about Gregorious? Or Ownings before this season?

    Amazing how you cant count on Met prospects but people are willing to trade the ranch for others team’s prospects.

  • Taskmaster4450

    2010:

    Toby Stoner
    Dillon Gee
    Pat Misch
    Bobby Livingston

    Russ Adams
    Mike Cervanek
    Justin Turner
    Jesus Feliciano
    Val Pascucci

    Maybe compare the starting rotation and the top 5 position players in terms of games played versus the roster of the 2014 Vegas team. I think you will see a bit of an improvement.

  • Fonzie

    Well done TPT, well done. He and his cronies always miss the point.

  • NewYorkMammoths

  • Fonzie

    You get called a Sandy Lover when you counter one of their stupid arguments with something they have no rebuttal for. They can’t dispute your argument with anything resembling logic so they call you a Sandy lover. That’s their only ammunition. Especially the person you’re replying to. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

  • Fonzie

    The intelligent portion of the fan base can see the similarities.

  • mad met

    But none of them were any good we needed a cleanup hitter instead we got to windmills

  • mad met

    Gregarious is a crazy good defender him and a cleanup hitter at first or right and this is an awesome team

  • mad met

    If u overpay they are all interested my friend

  • Fonzie

    He’s been saying the same tireless nonsense since the day Alderson got the job. He has no concept of where the franchise was back in 2010, where it was headed or why we got there in the first place, nor does he have any concept of the changes that have been made since then, where we are now and where we’re going. And there are quite a few here that share the same brain. My favorite quote of theirs is “We were sold on his ability to win with a miniscule payroll” as if you don’t need a young solid cost controlled core to be able to do that. No, you’re supposed to be able to do that with all the dead weight contracts, an ownership group in financial peril and a joke of a minor league system. The fact that these knuckleheads judge a GM on his W L record tells you right there they have no grasp.

  • SCarton12

    How much of an upgrade is Didi? Is his floor a slightly better hitter/fielder than Tejada? I think he is the best fielding prospect out of those available. IMO, Gee is worth more because he has produced. Montero or deGrom? maybe. Plawecki and a lesser prospect YES. No one here knows who the PTBNL is.

  • Taskmaster4450

    So is Tovar…he is a crazy good defender also but his hitting is the question just like Gregarious.

  • Fonzie

    He actually posted last year that he was disappointed they did not lose the 100 games he predicted they would.

  • Hodges14

    The point is we don’t know who from the Vegas team is going to pan out in the majors, much less with the Mets. It’s just not a good comparison.

  • jason bay

    This is ridiculous.

    How many times do we have to keep correcting people who say we got nothing for Reyes?

    The reality is we got nothing for Fonzie, Leiter, Piazza, Floyd, Pedro, El-Duque, Lo Duca, Perez, Putz, Wagner, Castillo Alou, Delgado, Santana and Bay.

    Reyes left behind a supplemental and a 2nd rounder. Plaweicki and Reynolds.

  • Hodges14

    So you think that was maximizing the return for Reyes? Isn’t that what a GM is supposed to do? Maximize his assets?

  • Fonzie

    You’re right, they’re really not comparable. Sandy took over a much worse situation than Cashen did and it’s not even close. Big deal he took over a team with 3 allstars, 2 of them in their walk year, both missing significant time the previous 2 years. Cashen also had the number one pick in the draft every year and 3 first rounders his first draft and did not have a sh!tload of dead weight contracts to clear out. Cashen inherited 3 players that were on the 25 man roster in 1986 as well a the players used to trade for Keith, Gary, Darling, Hojo, Heep and Sid. Funny how you fail to mention Oliver Perez, Jason Bay, Luis Castillo, Johan Santana who took up most of the payroll and provided zero production. Cashen didn’t take over that either. Give me a break with that already the Mets had those 3 guys together for 7 years plus other allstars and choked 2 huge leads followed by 2 sub 500 seasons.

  • mad met

    Preaching to the quire on tovar man .i wanted him to be the everyday ss and he could have been until we signed young and granderson. .. I want a real cleanup hitter

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    That Morneau guy isn’t doing bad either, who was also in FA.

  • Hodges14

    It’s baseball, there is no salary cap. There’s no need to wait for dead contracts to expire.

  • jason bay

    That would have cost Wheeler which would have meant another Young, Capuano or Marcum till deGrom, Montero or Syndergaard was ready.

  • jason bay

    Takes time when you don’t get much out of IFA or the draft over a very long period of time.

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    You’re like the guy at a party who does card tricks and makes balloon animals and tells funny jokes. Only instead of doing those things, you take off your pants and pee on everyone’s shoes.

  • jason bay

    Agreed.

  • Rob

    Increase the payroll….keep dreaming

  • jason bay

    Couldn’t agree more.

    The slow and patient approach leads to longer term success and If Alderson wanted to build a one and done, most fans here would be against him. Since he’s not, we’re with him.

    That simple.

  • DrDooby

    By far the biggest difference between today and past Mets teams is the far improved depth. Mets teams over the decade+ usually got derailed during the 2nd half of seasons due to lacking depth.
    Sure, we don’t know how good Syndergaard, Montero, DeGrom and Wilmer Flores will be. But it’s nice having them or an entire backup bullpen at AAA instead of merely Tobi Stoner, Pat Misch, Chris Schwinden, Fernando Nieve, Eric Valent or Jesus Feliciano types. Omar Minaya failed making a trade at the 2008 deadline, say for another bat or a reliable reliever, because the only prospects of interest to others back then were Jon Niese & Fernando Martinez who he deemed too important going forward. Right now, the Mets easily have 8 to 10 prospects who’d draw serious interest, plus a bunch of 2nd tier types to use as supporting pieces.

  • jason bay

    That’s what happens when a team with no pitching depth loses their 3 top pitchers, Santana, Pelfrey and Gee.

    They sink in the standings. If that happened today we have 3 guys to bring up in deGrom, Montero and Syndergaard.

    That situation in 2012 wasn’t the same.

  • Bail4Nails

    What most Met fans have been thinking lately:
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  • jason bay

    It soon will be with Harvey, Montero, Niese, Gee, Mejia, Familia, Black, Walters, Edgin, deGrom, Mazzoni, Verrett, Robles, TDA, Recker, Centeno, Duda, Flores, Murphy, Tovar, Reynolds, Puello, Lagares, Nimmo, Ceciliani……

  • jason bay

    Did Alderson promise a winning team right away?

    Really? When?

  • jason bay

    That doesn’t take into account the reality of the owners finances.

  • Captain America

    And bartolo

  • DrDooby

    What do these players have in common ?
    Zack Wheeler
    Jennry Mejia
    Gonzalez Germen
    Jeurys Familia
    Travis d’Arnaud
    Juan Lagares

    2014 will be their 1st full major league season. And they’re all 26 or younger. That’s 25 % of the roster. This year is about them – and Syndergaard, Montero, DeGrom, Flores and others who will try to join them later. I’m not even counting Satin, Rice or Torres who technically don’t have a full season under their belt either but are older and fringier pieces.

    While this probably isn’t a playoff team, the way is paved for a successful run going forward.

  • jason bay

    You said he walked for no return, when there was a return.

    Personally I don’t think Alderson could have traded him even if he was healthy at the deadline because the Wilpon’s needed each and every last dollar people might pay to see him in August and September when he was in the batting title chase but who knows?

    The guy was hurt and no one was going to be able to maximize his value when he was hurt.

  • jason bay

    If the Wilpon’s could have come up with the 10 M signing bonus in January maybe Alderson would have gone after Abreu.

  • Mike Lloyd

    And then they’d die in September because each will reach their respective innings limits and be shutdown.

  • Bail4Nails

    This:

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Yea, prob wheeler, murphy and a degroom type. I would if done it. Upton is 25 has a great bat and some speed, nice #4 hitter.

  • Metropolitan

    Even Selig would not be able to save their bacon then..

  • Saying that he “CAN” increase spending, but not doing it because “the right player was not available” is kind of like saying:
    I can quit smoking any time I want. I just don’t want to right now.

  • Exactly. They really had about six holes: SS, 1B, Ace, LF, RF, and Reliever.
    They improved (not solved) LF, RF, Ace, and Reliever. SS is a big fat Failure. 1st base was addition by subtraction (not good enough).
    The outfield is DEFINITELY better, albeit not good enough.

  • One more “good” bat will make a marked difference. They have all of the chips in the world to pull back a legit bat. Not Miguel Cabrera, but a legit bat.

  • I’m very critical of Sandy, but the one thing he does do well is trade. He’s holding a ton of the most valuable chips – PITCHING.
    I think he’ll be able to get a cheap young bat from a team that is desperate for major-league ready, young, cheap pitching.

  • Edward

    I don’t know. Marlon Byrd turned out ok.

  • mad met

    Yes I have to give him some credit for that even though he got lucky but he still gets that credit

  • MetsFAN660

    Remember the massive outcry when Pagan was sent packing? Yeah, me neither.

  • Edward

    My only guess is that JoeD is paying him to do it to keep us engaged and the comments rolling in.

  • MetsFAN660

    That’s what you were saying before they spent 80M+ this off season. Thanks for playing.

  • Hotstreak

    Starting Rotation 3/5 are Minaya guys.

  • Mets Magic

    Wright is no Hernandez…if you think so you didn’t see Hernandez…not to denigrate Wright…he performed his best with other people taking the pressure – Beltrain-Delgado-even Cliff Floyd…Do you seriously think they do not need players like Beltrain, Hernandez, Delgado – If contending teams are interested in Hanrahan who was only one of the top closers, the Mets should be…& you can apply your view on Hanrahan to Harvey then as well…the point is not so much Hanrahan or K-Rod (who I can do without but is having a phenomenal year-Reports from NY Press said Mets did not engage him) or even Abreu – though show me a Cuban/Japanese player the Met’s have even tried with (under this regime) & the “collection” of 1st basemen they had should not have overridden acquiring pure talent – it’s the the over rational not to act and make intelligent bold decisions to bring the team to another level…I like the way the team is playing but we have had good Aprils with Sandy/Terry before…

  • jason bay

    Upton’s a good player, reasonable salary and he can be turned into a supplemental round pick w/a qualifying offer.

    Good guy to go after but Wheeler, Murphy and deGrom takes away 1 starting pitcher, 1 in AAA and our most consistent threat with RISP.

    Tough call but I feel we’ll be able to get the offense we need without opening up holes in the rotation at the deadline or off season.

  • jason bay

    Well lets go throw them 250 innings and see what happens.

  • jason bay

    First things first Hodges,

    You repeated the incorrect and long standing falsity that the Mets “got nothing” for Reyes when that is simply untrue.

    Was his return maximized? No it was not but we did get something unlike those players mentioned above that you are apparently OK with having gotten “nothing for.”

    Would he have been traded for something substantial if he hadn’t gotten hurt? Maybe, maybe not but if not it would have been about business because the Mets needed some money coming in over August and September but they would have had a chance if he was healthy so we’ll never know.

    Players with injured hamstrings don’t usually return much in deadline deals, in fact I can’t think of any that ever have so Reyes is no exception.

  • MiqueMetsFan

    Wow. I know we would like them to go but there’s got to be another way………

  • BronxMets

    really is their payroll higher or lower this year genius…………….now take your ball and go home.

  • mad met

    I would like the mets trade cy florez and jon neise at the break for bret gardner.. think this fits both teams very well

  • BMac

    Let us please stop this nonsense. The Mets will NOT sign anyone or trade for anyone who makes even a little money. They don’t have the MONEY. If you believe otherwise you are not paying attention, naïve or just plain stupid. They cannot control income so they control expenses by keeping payroll at a ridiculously low level. They are begging fans to come to the park so they can add any extra revenue to the money saved on payroll. They will use this to pay down their huge debt. They say that they will spend if more people come to the park. They will absolutely do no such thing. Another in a long line of lies.

  • WHAT!!!!!!!!???????????????? Gardner has no power.. We need a real threat in our line up.. Also you’re willing to give up way too much! This trade is senseless. I wouldn’t do Niese straight up for gardner.. thats insane! A Lefty under thirty that wins.. SMH

  • DrDooby

    In 2013, the isolated Mets entity lost about 10 million $ with a payroll that ended in the 88 million $ range. While payroll is only a fraction of overall costs, let’s assume that the non-payroll costs have remained similar.
    Income increases by the extra 27 million each MLB team receives from the new TV deal. So, using last year’s revenue and last year’s costs as a starting point, the break-even point would figure to be somewhere in the 105 million $ payroll range (88 in 2013 minus 10 million losses plus 27 million TV deal with everything else similar).

    Last year, the Mets had the 3rd lowest attendance in the NL. Assuming that doesn’t further decrease with the team being better but also assuming it doesn’t rise significantly. And also with the All Star Game being a non-factor this year, the “break even” payroll ceiling for 2014 should have been in the 100 to 105 million range. Right now, the payroll projects to end up in the 85 million range (it’s at 81 minus Ike but future callups & performance bonuses figure to bring it into that range eventually). So, assuming this team has a .500 or so season, ownership should collect a marginal 15 million $ profit this year, barring the Mets taking on further salary, say, by signing Stephen Drew for example. Of course, improving the team may lead to more wins, more revenue, not only for 2014, but with a 1-year delay in time for 2015.

  • DrDooby

    Err, it’d sure fit the Yankees. But the Mets have bigger issues than adding another outfielder, don’t they ?

    A SS would seem like the most obvious hole. And if you’re able to spend an extra 13 million on Gardner, you can also spend money on Stephen Drew…

  • DrDooby

    He should have some room to add payroll. I’d guess up to 95 million minimum, actually 105 million would figure to be the “break even” ceiling all things considered. That’s – of course – not counting the revenue-sharing free profits that SNY is making every year, even over the past few years when the Mets have been a bad team.

    But considering there was payroll space to offer Grant Balfour 6 million and another 3 million was saved by dumping Ike Davis, there should be considerable room to add payroll if an opportunity presents itself.

  • MetsFAN660

    You guys all said they had no money to sign free agents. They found $80M+ to spend, and that was more than most teams. And not to mention the $24M they offered Balfour, so they were willing and able to spend even more. That’s an awful lot of money that they didn’t have. In fact, before that you guys all said that they didn’t have enough money to extend David Wright. You all keep saying they have no money, and they keep spending money. It’s magic. And just as a side note, you will admit that that the payroll this year, weather it’s up down or the same, is a lot more productive than last year. Right? I mean, with all the players they were paying who never even took the field. Isn’t that what really matters, that they spend their money in a smart way, and not just spend for the sake of it? This is their plan. They weren’t playing to win it all this year, they’re building for the long term, like the Yankees did. That turned out well for them, right?

  • vigouge

    The Mets may or may not have limited payroll flexibility but the shortstop situation says nothing about that. All that tells us is the team doesn’t have “throw money away” payroll flexibility.

  • vigouge

    That’s ridiculous. The team that Alderson inherited had Reyes, Wright and Beltran.

    It also had a 140m dolar payroll, no prospects, holes all over the place, and 2 of those players salaries going up. It’s absolute revisionist history and complete nonsense that the Mets of 2009-2011 were only a few moves away from being a good team.

    The only reason they didn’t do that is because the owners are not
    financially capable of fielding a competitive team because their illegal
    revenue stream was cut off when they got caught in the Madoff scheme.

    So your pissed that the team wasn’t able to repeat the mistakes of the post 2008 season or the 2001 season or the 1991 season? The Mets had a 149m dollar payroll in 2009, how much money would they have had to raise it to to turn that 79 win team in 2010 into contenders? It would have taken 91 wins to get into the playoffs that year and with the average return that year was in ~4m per win range, that mean they would have needed to add ~48m to make the playoffs. That would have meant a 185m payroll.

  • mad met

    IMO neise arm will fall off by august…Florez is a man with out a position and will be blocked at second and first for the future cy just plain sucks and I want him gone by the break I would love for someone to take grandy to but that not happening. Gardner is the perfect left fielder for us in our park 280 lead off hitter 50 extra base hits 30-40 sb and a gold glover getting rid of cy and Jon frees up money and roster spots

  • mad met

    A lefty always getting hurt and his arm will fall off by august. Florez a man without a position and blocked ar 3,2 and1. Cy just sucks and I want the roster spot for puello Gardner is a great lead off hitter for our park 50 x base hits 40 sb 280 hitter just my opinion….. We still need a cleanup hitter at first duda sucks and a slick fielding ss

  • Hodges14

    Maybe. Time will tell how many of these guys pan out. Hopefully the majority work out great but there’s always the possibility they won’t. Either way, to say the Mets are a young team is a bit incorrect right now.

  • BronxMets

    ramble

  • Hodges14

    And in the end they reduced the payroll from 2013 and collected the additional national tv money.

  • BronxMets

    I don’t make stuff up.

    This report from Adam Rubin

    Because the disparity between tickets sold and the number of people at the ballpark is sometimes glaring, TV ratings might be a more accurate measurement of fan interest. As such, the drop in ratings on SNY suggests how much work the Mets still have to do to get all of their fans on board again. The 15-11 start helped, but they need to keep playing solid baseball.

  • Hodges14

    If these guys were as good as they have been portrayed to be, don’t you think the Mets would have moved at least one of them up to the major league team (Montero maybe) and instead of spending $20M on Colon they could have used that money to address SS and/or first base over the winter?

  • MetsFAN660

    So what? You’d feel better if they overpaid for Arroyo and Hughes? Has Peralta been tearing up the league? They could have spent all that money for those guys, and not have as good a record as they have now. You’re going to want to keep all the stud pitchers, right? They’re gonna need the money.

  • MetsFAN660

    More like waste of time.

  • Captain America

    That doesn’t mean they sell 25k tix for a game and have 5k in the park…..

    You still have work to do my friend to prove your point.

  • BronxMets

    have you been to  a game yet?

  • BronxMets

    btw did you read it he talks about the vast difference between tickets sold and people at the game or did you just ignore that

  • BronxMets

    go tell adam rubin

    3. Spend money to make money. Want to energize your fan base? Spend some damn money. That doesn’t mean doling out six- and seven-year contracts. How much better would the current team be with the likes of even modest additions, such as Stephen Drew, Joel Hanrahan, LaTroy Hawkins and others who would only bring the payroll to a still-modest $110 million or $120 million rather than its current $86 million?
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    You guys all said they had no money to sign free agents. They found $80M+ to spend, and that was more than most teams. And not to mention the $24M they offered Balfour, so they were willing and able to spend even more. That’s an awful lot of money that they didn’t have. In fact, before that you guys all said that they didn’t have enough money to extend David Wright. You all keep saying they have no money, and they keep spending money. It’s magic. And just as a side note, you will admit that that the payroll this year, weather it’s up down or the same, is a lot more productive than last year. Right? I mean, with all the players they were paying who never even took the field. Isn’t that what really matters, that they spend their money in a smart way, and not just spend f or the s ake of it? This is their plan. They weren’t playing to win it all this year, they’re building for the long term, like the Yankees did. That turned out well for them, right? 3:15 a.m., Friday May 2

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    really is their payroll higher or lower this year genius…………….now take your ball and go home. Read more
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  • Captain America

    Did he quantify what percent of ticket buyers are not showing up?

    Is that difference 10% 20% those are big differences…. You are trying to convince me (without any supporting detail) that 70% 80% or more are buying tickets and not using them….

    If you have proof would love to see it…

  • BronxMets

    Go to a game

  • Captain America

    I do.

  • Fonzie

    That’s your rebuttal? There’s no salary cap? So they were supposed to eat all those bad contracts and on top of that add a boatload of more big ticket free agents that were mostly unavailable any way. So basically the Mets needed Bill Gates to buy the team after the 2010 season and eat every bad contract and sign about a dozen free agents. You need to separate your video game mentality from reality. Not even the Yankees would eat all those contracts.