Wright Agrees With Alderson On 90 Wins


Adam Rubin of ESPN New York writes that David Wright agrees with GM Sandy Alderson that the team can win 90 games this season.

Rubin adds that a day after the New York Daily News reported that Alderson told Mets staffers in an internal meeting that the club was capable of that win total, Wright said he admired the GM’s enthusiasm.

“We’ve got good players,” Wright tells Rubin. “I love the fact that Sandy is confident in us. I think 90 is challenging, it’s attainable, and it’s a good starting point for us. You know, number goals, it’s tough to come out and say, ‘I’m going to do this. I’m going to do that. We’re going to do that.’ But I think 90 is a good starting point for giving us something to shoot for and getting guys to understand that mediocrity is not going to be acceptable.”

Rubin also adds that Fred Wilpon reportedly said: “We better win 90.”

If both Wright and Alderson’s predictions come true, then 2014 will be an amazing 16 game swing in the win column from 2013 and will be an exciting season of baseball.

We can only hope that it comes true.

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  • Alex68

    Lmao!!! Phoney and a shill…. this is why alderson signed the guy, he knew he would NEVER go against him.. Alderson got a puppet manager and a puppet captain…
    Hey david, quit putting pressure on yourself, we ALL know how you FOLD under pressure…

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    BTW, it’s painful listening to the Yanks on WFAN.

  • agetting

    of course the mets “can” win 90 games. This is a non-story.

  • Hotstreak

    Dick Morris predicted Romney would win. Dewey believe SA even though DW does?


  • BCleveland3381

    Realistically, to get to 90 wins, these things MUST happen.

    Mejia needs to stay healthy the entire season. I think he is the most underrated pitcher we have, mostly because of his injury history. Colon will not replace Harvey’s production, but I really think Mejia could, if he could stay healthy.

    Wright needs to stay healthy. He is our best offensive player, and we will need him to have any chance to succeed.

    Lagares and d’Arnaud need to take legitimate steps forward offensively.

    Tejada, Granderson, and Chris Young need to have bounce back years.

    We need to be extremely lucky with injuries.

    It will never happen, but pretty much everything here has to happen for us to get to 90 wins. I think 82 should be our goal. Its much more attainable and shows a realistic step forward for a team missing it’s ace for the season. The difference between being an 82 win team and a 90 win team is gigantic and we have far too many question marks to be ready to make that leap yet.

  • Hotstreak

    DW : PC is nice but it has to be correct.

  • Metsaholic

    “…mediocrity is not going to be acceptable.” He took the words right out of my mouth.

  • Metsaholic

    WFAN is dead to me.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Gah! I wanted to be the first to call him a shill!

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I forgot about it and just put it on and was like, “What the hell is this?”


  • Derpy

    Last season, there was a stretch of time when the starting rotation was:


    During that time, the starting pitcher ERA was under 3.00.
    The bullpen ERA was under 2.7.
    The offense was scoring 3.5 runs per game.
    The team was on pace for 87 wins.

    Then Mejia, Hefner, and Harvey all got hurt in the matter of, I dunno, a week. That is when the wheels fell off, the team fell apart, and they went on a massive losing spree. Runs per game dropped to like 2.7, starter ERA ballooned to 3.5, and the bullpen eroded.

    The Mets have the potential to maintain that spectacular pitching, and they have enough offense to support it. They just need to have their starting pitchers stay healthy enough to produce the numbers. They need Colon to hover around a 3.0 ERA, they need Wheeler to take a step forward and be more consistent, they need Niese to have an average Niese season, they need Mejia to reproduce what he did last season and stay on the field, they need Gee to be more consistent and build on his second half, and they need Montero and Syndergaard to get MLB ready quick enough to fill in any holes left behind by the injuries to starting pitchers.

    However, the Mets are going to pull a Metsies and make their annual obvious mistakes out of spring training. They are going to leave camp with the wrong pitchers, just so Lanan and Dice K don’t leave for free agency. They are going to break camp with the wrong outfield, because TC has a massive hardon for EYJ. They are going to play the wrong guy at first, making Ike a full time player even though he is barely good enough to platoon. And they are opening their season against some of the best teams in major league baseball.

    The Mets are going to get hammered in the first month of the season. Absolutely hammered. Then in August we’re going to sit back and say “Maybe if the Mets had Lagares, Mejia, and their platoon at first the whole season, they would be in second place instead of 4th. Maybe they wouldn’t have lost 20 games before May.”

  • Metsaholic

    I agree with you up until you said “82 should be our goal” No Sir. 82 should not be the goal. 82 is only the floor, a basic minimum standard. By definition, anything below that, and they’re losers. Anything above that, and they’re winners. Lets go for 90 and hope that we don’t fall through the floor.

  • diehardmets

    Nothing wrong with placing high, albeit likely unreachable, goals.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    I don’t think the players should or really need to set goals in terms of wins. Just go out there play hard and try to win every single game. I suppose though when you say “82 should be our goal”, what you really mean is “our expectation/hope should be..”

    I think you left one thing out of your analysis though. Along with what you’ve commented, Ike Davis needs to make the team, be on the team, and have a big year.

    If Wright/Granderson/Ike can in any way, shape, or form resemble what we had with Wright/Beltran/Delgado, the Mets will be in good shape and score enough runs to the support the pitching staff. And to be clear, Wright/Granderson/Ike don’t have to be as good as Wright/Beltran/Delgado, and hell, they won’t be — but in a post-steroid era, offense in general is down. They just have to all be at least .800-.900 OPS guys who strike fear in the hearts of opposing pitchers trying to get through the middle of the Mets lineup.

  • trevordunn

    The one good thing about this is once this team wins their usual 75 games, TC and hopefully Sandy will be on the chopping block and be history

  • Metsaholic

    To dream … the impossible dream …

    To fight … the unbeatable foe …

    To bear … with unbearable sorrow …

    To run … where the brave dare not go …

    To Wright … the unWrightable wrong …

    To love … pure and chaste from afar …

    To try … when your arms are too weary …

    To reach … the unreachable star …

    This is my quest, to follow that star …

    No matter how hopeless, no matter how far …

    To fight for the right, without question or pause …

    To be willing to march into Hell, for a Heavenly cause …

  • Charley’s Twin

    Sure. Just have nothing go wrong whatsoever over a six month season, and we’ll get there.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Absolutely. 81 wins would fit this definition nicely.

  • Metsaholic

    This is my quest, to follow that star …

    No matter how hopeless, no matter how far …

    To fight for the Wright, without question or pause …

  • WillisReid

    That’s pretty much how it goes for most playoff teams.

  • BCleveland3381

    Well, I agree with that if you’re talking about what the players should be saying. But as a fan, I’ve predicted we would be an 82 win team, and I stand by that. I think we are better than most fans seem to.

  • Metsaholic

    Honestly, all I have is hope. They really have a lot of flaws. Guys would really have to not get injured, and a couple not named Wright, Murphy or Grandersonn would have to really take the next step. Will it be Wheeler, Mejia, TDA, DUDA, DAVIS or Largares?

  • I guess David hadn’t seen this picture that was snapped behind Sandy’s back as he spoke about the 90 wins earlier.

  • The Captain: 90 wins? That is a good starting point.

    *Grab a chair, a cold drink and a snack. Sit back and hit refresh.*


  • agetting

    Nobody can replace Harvey’s production, even if healthy. I love mejia but he’s not going to be Harvey and he’s on an innings limit

  • Rob

    Bartender, I’ll have what Mr. Wright is drinking

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    I will win the lottery before the Mets win 90 games. Bank on it!

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    If Wright and Alderson can win 90 games why do they need to talk with Boras about Drew and spend another 10-12 million? Answer that one.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    Before predicting a 90 game win season did they look at the Nats and Braves rosters?

  • Alex68

    Well, we’ve seen how well he handles pressure and expectations right? sept 24th, 9th inning against the cubs should tell you all you need to know about him and pressure….. or maybe 2006 NLCS..

  • Donal

    Just curious: If they gun for 90 but only win 85, are most of the doubters going to call that a failure?

  • Alex68

    HEAR HEAR!!!!!!!!!

  • shouldaswung

    WAS improved.
    ATL got worse.
    PHI improved.
    MIA stayed the same.

    CHC stayed the same.
    CIN got worse.
    MIL improved.
    PIT got worse.
    STL stayed the same.

    ARI improved.
    COL stayed the same.
    LAD improved.
    SD stayed the same.
    SF stayed the same.

    All this is “on paper” changes, and just my opinion. There are a lot of variables with teams such as getting older, breakout players, and of course, injuries. I usually grade out the competition as being the same, roughly, and look for the talent comparison on the current team compared to last years team. I predict we improve by 7 wins to finish at .500, and in 3rd (again) in the NL East.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    We also get to call up Syndergaard and Montero (if he’s still here) this season, which should help.

  • Joey D.

    Hi David,

    What happened the last 14 days to make David feel differently than he did on February 13 since no more holes were filled and it wasn’t going to be an over-night fix? As reported in MMO, his feeling was:

    “It probably was somewhat unrealistic to think all of those holes were going to be filled in one offseason by free agents. Some of these holes are going to have to be filled by guys who are here, whether it’s the minor leagues or guys being put into a situation where they’re given a second chance, per se. We finished pretty poorly the last three years. And there’s only so much you can do in one offseason free-agent-wise, trade-wise, to plug those holes.

    “It’s not an overnight fix where you go from a fourth-place team. Of course, I think that we can go out there and compete and win baseball games. But you can’t sit and rebuild an entire culture or you can’t rebuild an entire team in one offseason.”

  • Charley’s Twin

    Good question Joey

  • Donal

    That quote seems to refer to relying solely on free agency to build your team. Maybe he saw the progress of guys like Flores, Lagares and Tejada and feels excited.

  • jason bay

    Of course it will.

    Some Kook will come out of the woodwork to complain that Alderson promised 90 wins and now his life is shattered because we only won 85.

  • jason bay

    That’s how I see it.

  • Tank

    We expect our guys to have comeback years but nobody is expecting the Uptons to have better years? Talk about drinking the kool aid.

  • elsid1986

    If Jeff and Sandy said the world was flat, Wright would agree

  • CyYout

    Before last season, Boston sports radio guys predicted 84, 85, 81, and a big bounce-back season of 89 wins for the Red Sox. And this was on March 31st, possibly the day baseball fans are most optimistic. They won 97, the East, and the World Series. Now, I’m not saying this isn’t some thinly-veiled attempt to get the fans out to the stadium — Sandy and co. are marketing their product after-all — but I refuse to not remain open to the possibility this team can have some good luck for once and finish near 90 wins. Ya gotta believe!


  • elsid1986

    Well anything short of contending for a playoff spot right to the end IS failure. They don’t give prizes in baseball for being mediocre.

  • Donal

    Not sure if I’d say Philly got better. They added some bats, but they still have the same problems as last year.

  • Context:

    MEDIA – Whatever Sandy and Jeff or whomever promised you when you signed the extension do you feel like they are living up to that or no?

    D.W. – It’s not an overnight fix where you go from a 4th place team to, of course I think we can go out there and compete and win baseball games. But you can’t sit there and rebuild an entire culture or you can’t rebuild an entire team in one offseason. It’s going to be up to some of the guys that have been here to do their part as well. When you don’t have success for the number of years that we haven’t had success you can’t just get rid of the whole team and go buy a whole new team. It just doesn’t work that way.

    MEDIA – It is a fair assumption though is it when you guys talked about these big issues when your doing your extension? It is fair to assume that you staying here is part of your belief that you would get to that point at some point and be able to appropriate the players that you (undescirnable) without.

    D.W. – Well I’ll tell you this. When Sandy and I sat down there was a commitment that we were going to get better that we were going to spend money. I didn’t say Sandy, are we going to get back to 2006, 2007 where we’re spending $140M dollars? –You can’t guarantee we are going to spend $150M dollars on players because you don’t know how things are going to shake out. I think that the commitment to make the team better was there. The commitment to spend money. We had a lot of money come off the books last offseason. We spent quite a bit of money. A lot of that gets overshadowed by the money that the Yankees spent this offseason and I understand that it’s a big market. Fans want to see kind of instant gratification, sign these players and become a much better team overnight. But, as I mentioned before, we had a lot of holes to fill. It probably was somewhat unrealistic to think all of those holes were going to be filled in one offseason by free agents. Some of these holes are going to have to be filled by guys that are here, whether it’s the minor leagues or guys that are going to be put into a situation where they are given a second chance per se. Where you know what? There’s only so much money there is only so much things you can do in one offseason to fill the type of holes.You know we finished pretty poorly the last three years. And there’s only so much you can do in one offseason free-agent-wise, trade-wise, to plug those holes. Some of it has to be done with the guys that we have here.


  • shouldaswung

    I’d put the additions of Gonzalez, Hernandez, and Burnett in the rotation over the subtraction of Halladay as an improvement.
    The bullpen breaks about even. So does the bench. Adding Byrd to the offense is also an improvement.

    This is just my opinion. By the way, I still think they are going to finish JUST behind us due to their age/injury concerns. They have high impact prospects too though, like Biddle and Maikel Franco so, we shall see.

  • jason bay

    So simply contending for a playoff spot right up to the end is success?

    I beg to differ and to illustrate my point how many people consider the 2007 and 2008 Mets to be a success? Not many. On the other hand how do people feel about the 1984 Mets or even the 2005 Mets?

    Breath of fresh air, an over achievement if anything and while the 1984 Mets did win 90 they were not in it till the end and the 83-79 Mets weren’t either.

    It all has to do with expectations.

  • pastline63

    That’s the sad fact of unrealistic fans

  • muskytoes

    But to play Debbie Downer, what’s an 87 win pace? 2 games over .500 over a 3 week period? Every team achieves that during any given stretch. The trick is maintaining that (and hopefully better) over 162 games.

    And in going over the game logs for the stretch of Mejia’s 5 games last season (July 26-Aug 16), the Mets went 11-11. So much for the 87 win pace. Friggin Atchison got credited for more wins (3) than Harvey and Wheeler combined. Reminds me of the brutal run support Harvey was getting. It was so bad, I came to dread Harvey Day. If that was the glory stretch of the season, I still don’t like it.

  • pastline63

    500 is the goal anything over that is gravy considering what we have seen in the past 5 years.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Derpy,
    Well, it would have been impossible for the pitching to continue at such a pace at that. The Braves which had the best pitching in the league finished up with a 3.18 mark and the Mets did finish up just slightly below the league ERA average of 3.73 (3.78) and it was 3.68 the second half despite Niese being out for a month and Harvey and Parnell gone toward the end of the season.
    In fact, during the months of June, July and August over a period of 82 games they pitched to an ERA of 3.37, giving up 285 earned runs in 761 innings. They played 27 games in September and in one game give up 13 runs (12 earned) of which ten of them were from pitchers no longer on the team. Six other games through to the middle of the month their pitching let them down but they finished strong, allowing no more than four runs in 16 of their last 17 contests.
    So I agree the Mets have the makings of a VERY GOOD staff THIS SEASON even without Matt Harvey and the potential for even a MUCH MORE BETTER ONE in 2015. I also feel that because of our pitching we most likely will be looking back in August and saying if we had just acquired this player or that player to cover this or that position we could be fighting for a post-season berth rather than fourth place as well.
    I know the Wilpons have this affection for the old Brooklyn Dodgers but they and the front office didn’t have to take it to the extreme when it came to filling our holes by adopting Brooklyn’s old battle cry “wait till next year”. This is why their plans are incomplete – they do not have the operating dollars to run this team – only to ruin it’s chances of really accomplishing something.

  • DrDooby

    The Phillies have an aging roster and very little depth behind it. Odds are that in spite of adding Burnett & Byrd this winter while “only” losing Halladay – who had a bad season – to retirement, the team will struggle to reach 75 wins.

    Cliff Lee & Cole Hamels combined for 64 starts and a lofty 11.9 WAR in 2013 together – in 73 win season for the team. If one of them goes down, that will be an insurmountable problem.
    With 5 of the 8 regulars being age 34 or older on Opening Day, the upside for improvement seems very remote.

  • pastline63

    Or smoking.

  • elsid1986

    So another cr@p season. Because .500 is just mediocrity.

  • Bill Buckner

    I love David Wright, but his blind devotion to agree with anything and everything that the FO says is sickening. It would be nice if he said what he really thought just one time…

  • pastline63

    I agree they should shoot for better-I suppose they do, but it has not happen-not being a cynic just realistic.

  • WillisReid

    Another masterfully misspelled mess.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    You mean you don’t think the Uptons and Ugla combined can’t hit 75 home runs. That’s only 25 a piece. Oh ‘ye of little faith.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Come on JB, you know Met fans have no idea what success is. They think that a couple runs at a playoff spot followed by the inevitable collapse is success. Hence we hear about 1998-2000 (ignoring the 2002-2004 nightmares) and the 2005-2008 (again ignoring the 2009-2010 horrors) periods as success when actually nothing was won. Somehow 3 playoff appearances in 25 years is considered success by these people.

  • jason bay

    There is really only one person who can say with any authority what David Wright means when he makes a comment and that is David Wright. Coming from anyone else it is mere speculation and inference on the part of the reader.

    In order to glean anything worthwhile from an answer one needs to know exactly what he was answering. ie, what was the question he was responding to? Quite likely it was a question regarding the shape of the off season and has (had) nothing to do whatsoever with the ability to win a certain number of baseball games.

    Ergo the two statements cannot be connected in any way shape or form.

    For the record I agree with Wright’s comments above and have often said the same thing. All of the holes that this team has can not be addressed in the same off season and in the first off season that we had any money to speak of to spend in the FA market.

  • muskytoes

    He’s the “face.” Reporters stick their mics in his face. He spews the corporate vanilla like a mr softee machine. Rinse and repeat. I don’t begrudge Wright. He is what he is, and that’s, come hell or high water, a happy camper. At least publically. Few athletes make any sense anyway. They’re not paid for their public speaking or intellect. Hopefully though, he’s got some more pointed and sane opinions behind the scenes since we know he has the ears of management/ownership.

  • Bill Buckner

    Some idiot would come on here and complain even if we made the World Series and lost. The key is to have a level-headed approach and remember expectations from the start of the season. As a Jets fan this past season, I was hoping for 4-5 wins going in. The team got off to an awesome start (compared to expectations, at least) and were 5-4 at the week 10 bye week. They went on to go 3-4 over their last 7 games and miss the playoffs. Compared to the preseason expectations, their 8-8 season was phenomenal. If you listened to sports radio, though, people were calling for Rex to be fired because the team “only went 8-8” and that’s not a winning season. People have a short memory…

    For this team, I’m hoping for a .500 record at year’s end. This would mean a step in the right direction and hope on the horizon with the a full season of the young guns (Thor and Montero) and Harvey’s return in 2015. Anything more than that is gravy….

  • Bill Buckner

    I agree that it’s fine if he does say the truth behind closed doors, but I find it hard to believe that he does…

  • pastline63

    You are right-they should perform and do better, but it has not happened. 5 years of junk ball is sickening, but be realistic if they contend -it is a step in the right direction after all the anemic baseball we have seen.

  • Guest

    They should trade him.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    What a shill. They should trade him.

  • Matt Mosher


  • Matt Mosher

    No one in their right mind would call 85 wins a failure. It’s not going to happen though.

  • jason bay

    Thank you MNJ for putting some context behind Wright’s comments noted above. He was responding to the overall rebuilding of the team on this one and something entirely different on the topic this article is about, namely whether the Mets could win 90 games.

    This illustrates the futility of trying to connect two different answers to two different questions and infer that they are somehow connected.

  • schadenfreudianslip

    Is that a real comment? Are you being serious or are you mocking some of the other people here? Because its hard to believe that’s a real comment.

    It is your contention that the captain of the team, in response to the GM saying this team was capable of winning 90 games, should have responded by disagreeing and arguing they weren’t good enough? In late February? That’s what you are saying.

    Show me one example, one, ever, where a player, let alone a captain, has publicly discussed a team being just not good enough and more specifically disagreed with the manager or GM on their assessment of the team going into the season. Just one.

  • pastline63

    I understand your point, but what is he suppose to say? WE SUCK and go into some Rodney Dangerfield act on how bad the Mets suck? He is the captain and he is doing what he has to do to to instill a better attitude among his team.

  • Donal

    What makes you think I’m referring to folks in their right minds?

  • RyanF55

    …Obviously he would. What’s he going to do? Come out and say Sandy’s wrong? We all know that’s not happening. If anyone here expects Wright to state “90 wins? Sandy is an idiot” they’re oblivious to how any work environment works.

  • Metropolitan

    90 is a pipe dream ,all I know is Terry better be gone if this team does not break 500,no more excuses,

  • pastline63

    Some body with with his head not in the clouds-anything better is gravy.

  • jason bay

    You are right about that Task but by that measure which teams haven’t been successful in the last quarter of a century?

    Pittsburgh has qualified for the playoffs more often than we have. So have the Cubs, Cinncinatti, SD, Arizona and Houston, not to mention St. Louis, Atlanta, Philly, SF and LA.

    Colorado has also only reached the postseason three times but they haven’t even been around 25 years and Miami has only reached the playoffs twice but won the World Series both times.

    That leaves Milwaukee and Washington/Montreal as teams that been less successful than we have and that’s not saying much.

    I guess everyone in the NL except for those two teams has been a success.

  • jason bay


  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Don’t worry. I was joking. I agree with you.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Mike Stanton is regularly critical of the Marlins.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    The only way the Mets could hit .500 or better this season is if they’re well over .500 in July and Montero and or Syndergaard come up and pitch as Harvey did when he first came up.

  • schadenfreudianslip

    First, hey there that guy, big fan of some of your work.

    Show me the quotes.

    And more specifically, show me where the owner or GM of the Marlins said something and Stanton immediately followed up by publicly disagreeing or being dismissive of it. Because that is what is being criticized here.

  • GreenJuice

    I remember a few years back I was at a open work out for the fans, before opening day.I believe someone asked David how many Hr’s he would hit, he replied “how about 100 wins.”

  • jason bay

    First of all that is what athletes in team sports are supposed to do.

    Could anyone imagine not just Wright, but Jeter, Ewing, Buck Williams, Carmello, Felix Hernandez, Tony Gwynn, Cal Ripken, or Don Mattingley contradicting the GM’s opinion of how many games they could win?

    What do you guys want him to do? Claim .500 would be a success? How would that go over?

    I also find it presumptuous that people claim that they know Wright doesn’t feel a certain way because most of you are not privy to his inner thoughts and have no freakin idea what he thinks is realistic or possible.

  • Derpy

    My point is that all of the pitchers who were actively pitching, together, combined, for their entire seasons, were doing that. Not over the course of a few weeks, it was over the course of the whole season. The reason the team didn’t win 87 is because other guys, who were dramatically inferior, were given more chances than they ever should have been given. Guys like Rick Ankiel and Laffey should have never spent 5 seconds in a Mets uniform last year. When the starting rotation all got injured at the same time, the team had exactly no depth to help out. Not that any team could survive their entire rotation getting injured. The Mets need to play MLB calibre players in every game for the whole season. They have the talent, it is just a matter of

    A: the organization using it (which they have a history of avoiding at all costs) and

    B: staying healthy (which is really just random chance).

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I guess it doesn’t count if Stanton doesn’t publicly criticizes his team’s management in the exact parameters you’ve set out here.

    If you want the quotes, you can Google them.

    He was publicly complaining immediately after the Marlins traded away Reyes and Johnson and he bashed the dimensions of the stadium after it was built.

    I realize those weren’t the exact situations you want examples of, but Stanton has been far more vocal about his displeasure than Wright ever has. I don’t actually have an issue with what Wright says and I don’t agree when people call him a “shill,” but it isn’t true that nobody speaks out against management.

  • Bill Buckner

    Easy killer – it’s not so much a comment re: JUST this quote, but ALL of his quotes re: the direction of the team, FO decisions, etc. As noted by another poster in this thread, 2 weeks ago Wright came out and said that expectations need to not get too high as a winning culture doesn’t change in one offseason, and now he agrees with Sandy that 90 wins is the expectation (despite no significant additions since his first quote).

    It is my contention that he shouldn’t provide a comment in certain situations rather than just talking about how excited he is about the direction of the team and what a great job the FO is doing EVERY year when we haven’t seen improvement in years (from a W-L standpoint) and have seen payroll slashed for several years straight…I mean this guy would agree that grass is orange if Jeff Wilpon said so. I guarantee you that the “captain” of other cellar-dwelling teams does not go on record saying laughable things every year like Wright does…

    Nohing wrong with believing in your team and setting a high expectation, but when you’re Wright and you always go out of your way to praise the FO regardless of their actions (or inactions) it gets old quick…

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments


  • jason bay

    Since the Wilpon’s took over in 2002 we have been below minimum standard 8 times in 12 years so being above would in fact represent an improvement.

    Blowing out the future to get there would just set us up for more of what we’re going through right now though so all in all I would be satisfied this year with 82.

  • Bill Buckner

    That’s a fair point – I don’t know what he thinks. However, if he thinks the FO has done a crap job and comes out on record every year saying how great they’re doing is that any better?

  • Hodges14

    Guess Wright is planning on a 45HR / 140 RBI season.

  • Bill Buckner

    “I do not like this at all,” Stanton said. “This is the
    ‘winning philosophy?’ Then to say it’s not about money? What is the
    motivation? There comes a breaking point. I know how I feel. I can’t
    imagine how the city and the fans feel.”

    “Jose, Bonifacio, Hanley … all three are gone now. I had people warn
    me that something like this could happen, but it runs against the
    competitive nature every athlete has, that nature that everything is
    about winning. This kind of thing is what gets talked about all the time
    around this team. Former Marlins come back and they warn us. It gets
    talked about during the stretch, in the clubhouse, after games, on the
    road. Again, I do not like this at all.”

    source: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/16/giancarlo-stanton-i-do-not-like-this-at-all/

    Following the Marlins’ fire sale in 2012. Imagine Wright saying something like this…LOL He would have probably said something like “things were getting too stagnant around here and we needed an infusion of youth. These deals will be better for the club going forward”

  • Hodges14

    isn’t it painful to listen to Sterling and Waldman on any station?

  • BigAl831

    That’s false. He posted a tweet and that was quickly swept under the rug.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Which part was false?

    He said…

    “I do not like this at all,” Stanton said. “This is the
    ‘winning philosophy?’ Then to say it’s not about money? What is the
    motivation? There comes a breaking point. I know how I feel. I can’t
    imagine how the city and the fans feel.”

    “Jose, Bonifacio, Hanley … all three are gone now. I had people warn
    me that something like this could happen, but it runs against the
    competitive nature every athlete has, that nature that everything is
    about winning. This kind of thing is what gets talked about all the time
    around this team. Former Marlins come back and they warn us. It gets
    talked about during the stretch, in the clubhouse, after games, on the
    road. Again, I do not like this at all.”


    Must have been a very small rug.

  • And some say we the Mets fans are the delusional ones. Heck, most of us will consider a mediocre 81-81 record a HUGE seven steps forward. Oh David and his uncle Richie…cray cray kids.

  • Derpy

    Bullpen of:
    Aardsma, Burke, Edgin, Hawkins, Rice, Parnell, Torres (bullpen stats only, disregarding all starting stats)

    307.2 IP, 132 R, 113 ER, 79 BB, 248 K, 54/295 HRISP, 153 IBR, 33 IRS, 472 GB, 180 LD, 214 FB, 60 PU, 1263 total batters faced, 285 H, 1.28 WHIP, 3.60 SIERA, 3.31 ERA, 19.6 K%, 8.6 BB%, 37.4 GB%, 14.3 LD%, 16.9 FB%, 4.8 PU%, 4.11 batter/IP, 1.04 GB/FB, 515 total pitches thrown.

    Starting Rotation of:

    Gee, Harvey, Hefner, Mejia, Wheeler

    637.2 IP, 256 R, 233 ER, 157 BB, 546 K, 105/515 HRISP, 887 GB, 378 LD, 488 FB, 144 PU, 2193 total batters faced, 593 H, 1.22 WHIP, 3.00 SIERA, 3.29 ERA, 24.9 K%, 8.4 BB%, 40.4 GB%, 17.2 LD%, 22.3 FB%, 6.6 PU%, 3.44 batters/IP, .88 GB/FB, 8283 total pitches thrown

    Combined totals:

    945.1 IP, 878 H, 388 R, 346 ER, 236 BB, 794 K, 159/810 HRISP, 1359 GB, 558 LD, 702 FP, 204 PU, 3456 batters faced, 1.24 WHIP, 3.21 SIERA, 3.29 ERA.

    For 2/3 of last season, the Mets had the second best pitching staff in the major league baseball. Most comparable pitching staff:

    LA Dodgers.

    The issue is filling out the other 1/3 of the season.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    I had to read all those comments before you to finally get to the truth. Thank you.

  • jason bay

    I think Wright has a pretty fair idea of what was possible and what wasn’t possible so once you accept that Greinke, Hamilton, Fielder, the re-signing of Reyes, ect are in the not possible ledger until Santana and Bay come off you readjust your expectations.

    Then you see Wheeler, TDA, Montero, Flores, Lagares, Syndergaard, Walters, Puello, Mejia, Familia, Plaweicki, and you start thinking that hey, you know, having these guys AND that money to spend……..

    More or less the way Keith Hernandez came around on the Mets after having been traded here when it came to his extension. So all in all I think he was aware it was going to take some time but that progress is being made even under the circumstances that prevented it from being done at the major League level.

  • jason bay

    those two comments were completely taken out of context and erroneously linked to each other.

    One was a question about his extension and the overall direction of the team and the other was specifically regarding whether the Mets could conceivably win 90 games.

  • schadenfreudianslip

    Fair enough if Stanton has said those things. I don’t think its even close to an apples to apples comparison, neither with respect to the player involved nor the teams.

    And the only reason I provided the specific parameters is because it is this specific instance that people re reacting to. Your GM says you can win 90 games. Its late February. Reporters ask you the question. What do you say? You should disagree?

    And by the way, its not out of the realm of possibility that he believes it is possible. I personally believe 88 wins is reasonable this year, and I was dead on last year with 72-76.

    More to the point, on the list of things people want to criticize, it is absurd to include David Wrights refusal to publicly lambaste ownership.

  • JimFirman

    This website is full of nabobs of negativity (to quote an infamous Vice President)

  • J

    Why not 162 wins?

  • jason bay

    It’s a good point about Stanton but there are a number of differences as well, one being that it was immediately in the aftermath of a mid season full scale sell off that had in fact happened with this team a couple times before and was practically unpresidented in scope.

    Jose, Hanley, Sanchez, Josh Johnson, Bonifacio, Bell, just about everyone and it wasn’t like they had all been together for a number of years and all gotten old at the same time.

    This comment of Wright’s came right at the beginning of ST where if you look down the horizon a little you can see a fair amount of good looking additions closing in on Queens.

    For Stanton his feeling had to be that he was next and that he would just have to somehow get through the next couple of years on his own before winding up wherever for another couple years.

  • elsid1986

    The 84 team would have been a Wild Card team, and they were in it until early September. After the disgrace Alderson has put on the field the last 3 years, that would be a success. Finishing this year with 81-82 wins is no different than 75 wins. 15-20 games out on Sept 1 is garbage.

  • Matt Mosher

    Exactly. I hope they’re better. But I doubt it

  • BigAl831

    Never seen that quote. Interesting.

    He played a whole season with his mouth shut so clearly something changed. And no disrespect to Giancarlo, but he is no David Wright.

  • jason bay

    They would not have been a Wild Card team because there was no such thing at the time. They were aware that they had one path to the post season and that was to win the NL East and were 7 GB after Labor day weekend after going 15-17 in the month of August so that is an example of a team that was not in it till the end and yet people had a good feeling about the season.

    2005 we were a mere 4 games over .500 at 83-79 and out of it in September as well and yet most people felt it was a good year all things considered.

    2007 and 2008 very few people felt that way.

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    Being 500 or better by June isn’t hard for the Mets. Even when the team was terrible they always played hard…. until the all star break.

    If they can play hard After the all star break when reinforcements arrive, we have a legitimate chance at a wild card.

  • Metsaholic

    Because that would be like moving from ludicrous speed to absolutely ridiculous speed.

  • Peter S

    I tell you what, I want to see wright play 160 games this year and give the Mets some return on investment. The Captain has done everything right off the field but be needs to stay on it. 45/140 might be a little unrealistic, but he needs 30+/125 for this team to have any chance.

  • Peter S

    Crazy to think but that’s only 3 more wins per month from last season.

  • Metsaholic

    If Collins has this team at .500 it would exceed any objective expectations. The guy who should be fired is Alderson.

  • Metsaholic

    You fell for the bait.

  • metFAN660

    You all crack me up. If he said they better win 84 you’d be howling that he has no faith in the team. This is more nothing.

  • it makes me so angry when the Captain is hopeful about the coming season.

  • metFAN660

    Jesus. I thought you went dark side. Ok, welcome back. 🙂

  • like when he expressed his anger at people talking smack about his teammate anonymously? Just cuz you have a bizarre, pathological hatred for the FO doesn’t mean everyone does

  • the guys who should be fired are the Wilpons. Sandy was brought in to build a team on a shoestring budget. How do you do that? By trading older, expensive pieces for prospects and drafting others. What has Sandy done? Just that. Oh right, b…b… but John Rauch and Frankie Frank!

  • Taskmaster4450

    Or worse, 74 wins.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I would take .310/25/100 from Wright because that is the type of player he is at this point in his career and in that ball park.

    And yes 155-160 games is necessary.

  • Taskmaster4450

    You forgot Marcum and his $4M.

  • Taskmaster4450

    He has a no trade clause…that isnt happening.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I am sure Carmelo might have a few choice things to say if he was open to speaking freely.

  • metFAN660

    Makes no difference. Just another ginned up non-issue to get the wak a doos amped up.

  • Taskmaster4450

    +1 JB.

    I think you hit the nail on the head. Wright has an idea of the talent level that is around and what is coming.

  • Taskmaster4450

    And Giant fans were looking for a SuperBowl in their home stadium and 0-6 stopped all that nonsense.

  • we’re still feeling the repercussions of that franchise altering mistake

  • FL Met Fan Rich

    Nobody believes that!…500 would be fantastic

    They better get out of there gate quick. Have you looked at Aprils scheddule? If they start bad they couldd her out of it by May.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Chago,

    Ever find out about “The Say Hey Kid” Book? After today, the next one about David could be titled “The Say What? Kid”.

    Francesa says it was just a promotional bit. Then a caller said perhaps it was an attempt to divert attention away from the Mets problem with Colon and what we didn’t know at the time was nothing serious with Niese – which I think he was onto something.

    I thought it was simply addressing the troops as a morale booster and perhaps Sandy finally recognizing he had to show his players he was behind them rather than acting like an indifferent CEO. But now I have my doubts that Sandy was being as insincere as always.

    As far as David, well……, that’s why I raised the question of what he said just two weeks ago. I hope it’s nothing more than being the team player and going along with an innocent company line and not him beginning to learn the art of changing one’s story from the master of double-talk whom he works for.

  • pastline63

    it’s been a long painful winter

  • Joey D.

    Hi Derpy,

    But isn’t it good to know that was the final two-thirds of the season rather than the first two and those like Aardsma, Burke, Lyon, Laffey, Atchison and Marcum whom contributed to making those figures higher are no longer with the club with some younger arms ready to step in and take their places?

    Our pitching is coming around and judging from the scouting reports, has the potential to get real better this season and next. So they have the potential to keep us in the majority of our games this season and next. But our front office has not given us the potential to go beyond that point. One look at our game log last year and one can see where our pitching kept us in its share of games the last 2/3 of the season as any other team in the league but when one gets a run support of just 3.42 after an early April offensive onslaught, that is why one finishes up the season below .500.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Chago,

    Thanks for finding it.

    Nope, that’s not the one from the SPORT magazine series. Noticed the publishing date was 1966 – about five years later. Also, it was titled “Willie Mays” on the cover, without mention of Say Hey.

    I’ll try and find the paperback I was referring to. It had a photo instead of a drawing. Meanwhile, I’ll need you to help me put together the first chapter of “Say What? 🙂

  • Peter S

    I wouldn’t complain but this is a guy that has been begging for lineup protection. And he has it now.

  • XtreemIcon

    The other 1/3rd of the season was Marcum being bad and Gee and Niese getting off to terrible starts. With Wheeler starting instead of Marcum all year and Niese and Gee pitching at worst to their ability from jump street, there’s your other 1/3rd. Nothing needs to change, or “go right” with the pitching. They just need to pitch.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Chago pal,

    Oh yes, can see the connection.

    But came across this which I think the Mets definitely need but we’ll never see generated in the clubhouse – not with a general manager who says “If you constantly react to each result, you will never focus on the probabilities” and “As soon as someone says he has a ‘gut feeling’ about something, I start worrying.”

    Think about it.


  • Joey D.

    Say Hey Chago,

    This is the paperback I remembered. Darn, I still had a pretty clear picture of the cover in my head even though it was 53 years ago – shows this old f#rt’s brain isn’t going completely yet! LOL

    Yes, it was part of a Sports Magazine series published circa 1960 – 1962. It even references the series number. Arnold Hano was the author. Remember him?

    That fifty cent cover price certainly gets one mad, especially when today that would still only come up to $3.91 – when was the last time we saw a paperback sold for that price – let alone even a magazine?

  • Fonzie

    It’s going to take a decade to pull out of the hole from the Brad Emaus Rule V debacle. We wasted a whole 7 games on him. That Hu contract destroyed our flexibility.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Chago,

    The lyrics about being in New York at night inferring not knowing exactly what was going to happen? Or did I just jump to a conclusion based on my own connections?

    BTW – I can envision Sandy storming through the clubhouse door to stop Matt from further instigating defiance of his laws of probabilities and in his moment of anger yell out to Matt and his teammates:

    “Assholes! Ass. Holes! You’re all assholes, every one of you. Your lives don’t work!”

    – Friedrich Bismark from “Semi Tough”

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I was joking.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments


  • Hotstreak

    Meet The The Dregs Sandy:

    30. Astros: 62.5
    29. Cubs: 69.5
    28. Marlins: 69.5
    27. Twins: 70.5
    26. Mets: 73.5
    25. White Sox: 75.5
    24. Rockies: 76.5
    23. Phillies: 76.5
    22. Padres: 78.5
    21. Brewers: 79.5

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    And with these players around him.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    No he doesn’t. Other players need to produce for a change. Tejada and Davis for starters.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    If the Marlins wanted to trade Stanton for Wright, straight up, would you make that trade right now?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    When he has .500 talent, they’ll break .500. How can you say fire him if they’re not .500 when literally nobody has projected them to win 81 games?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    If Wright came out and said he was angry that he signed an extension, leaving money on the table, and they haven’t shown the same level of commitment to him, nobody would begrudge him.

  • Kabeetz

    This is such an outrage. That Alderson would say “we have higher expectations than we’ve had in the past.”

    We as fans have higher expectations of our team’s front office and management. Where was the delivery??

    Where is the promised payroll expansion ?

    Where is the accountability ?

    Instead we get talk that payroll won’t increase unless more fans come to the park.

    Why would the casual Met fan come out to see a team ten games under .500 on August 1st??

    Wilpon says “we better win 90”.

    How about you better spend 100? Let alone the 150 that should be the TRUE bare minimum NYC payroll?

    How about you better sell the team?

    How about stop tearing your players apart in the media and making your trade talks so public?

    I respect David Wright’s optimism, as a player and captain it is both necessary and required.

    This ownership and management though has NOT EARNED THE RIGHT to make win total demands of its Swiss cheese hole-filled roster or monetary demands of its fan base.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I don’t care if he lambastes ownership. Just pointing out that other players don’t have Wright’s restraint, or whatever we call it.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Peter,

    You are so right about what David could do when he has protection. His best two months of the season last year were June and July when Byrd really got hot and David could no longer be pitched around to.

    Now Granderson is a left handed hitter so with more right handed pitchers apt to start against them, the same should hold true again most of the time this year. However, where David is a .300 hitter, Granderson is still that .240 hitter who is indeed a lot more of a power threat but could see that neutralized somewhat by Citi Field’s right field dimensions and is also susceptible to the strike out.

    So there will be protection for David but I’m wondering if Granderson in lieu of the way Byrd was hitting last season might give pitchers a little bit of breathing room depending upon the situation.

    Also, if David gets an extra base hit, who will be there to protect Curtis with an open base? Certainly not CY.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Manhattan,

    It just shows that it is extremely to near impossible to build a team on a shoe string budget and I believe Sandy understood that fully when accepting the job because he knew from first hand experience that only two organizations achieved success under such economic restrictions while the others who relied on young talent under control and the signing of inexpensive free agents languished below .500 on a regular basis.

    That is why we can drool thinking of the potential of this young staff but at the same time groan being so uncertain at first, shortstop, left field, center and even the durability of a top prospect behind the plate. When an organization does not have enough outside sources of revenue (i.e., television rights, investments, etc.) to pay off it’s long-term capital investments, money that could ordinarily come from the net revenue can no longer be transferred to that of the operating budget when operating income is not enough to cover all its costs (that is why teams like Detroit, the Angels, Rangers, etc. can make money while the “operating income” is in the red because the overall net revenue is still in the black).

    And as was reported, Sterling Mets had serious cash flow problems shortly after the 2009 season concluded even though that was the fourth season in a row that climaxed a cumulative operating surplus of over $100 million.

    So as said before, this is not Sandy’s fault as he was brought in with an edict to cut expenses throughout the organization – as he was with his previous stint as President of San Diego and during his final few seasons as GM in Oakland. It would be impossible for his baseball people to take all the steps required to put together a winning club with such limited resources.

    That’s why we have the pitching and a lot of worries about how we are going to get the runs to support their great efforts. If we couldn’t go over a certain payroll amount now then the most we could count on as far as major savings would be the $7.25 million for CY plus our ability to trade Colon and recoup most of his $11 million salary for 2015 . That would be at most $18.25 million in savings. But how much of that could be offset by a further loss in operating revenue from a continued drop in attendance and a further drop in net revenue from lower television ratings and less advertising income?

    Sterling Mets is going to have to come up with other sources of money to complete the picture and it’s a shame that it is only a question of money that is holding us back from challenging for the wild card this year – even without Matt Harvey – and then with the same basic crew in place for next year with Harvey back and Thor and others with more experience under their belt, we could see us matching ourselves up nicely with the other big boys in the league. Unlike other clubs that have the money but do not have the overall potential as far as talent, we find ourselves with that overall potential talent but without the money.

    Life can be so cruel at times.

  • Hotstreak

    Task: Good post.

    Realistic Goals that are not only attainable but required.
    DW like the rest of the team is accountable on the field too. He is our 20 M dollar guy.

  • Hotstreak

    Wright could say he doesn’t go in the forecasting business and is concentrating on his own endurance and a winning season.

  • jason bay

    He could if he wanted to sound me firtsish and I don’t think that is him

  • jason bay

    Who are you to speak for everyone else?

    Plenty of people would be outraged and with good reason.

  • Derpy

    The Mets gave up a total of 4.2 Runs per game last year, scoring 3.8 runs per game.

    Major league average for unearned runs is 7.4%. The Mets gave up 9.6%. That means the Mets defense gave up 13 more unearned runs than an average MLB defense. Which makes sense, when you think about guys like Lucas Duda running around the field. I think the 2014 team should be a significant upgrade over last years team.

    Say the Mets improve their ERA from 3.77 to 3.4 (618 => 557 ER), which seems pretty doable. And say the Mets have an average number of unearned runs (557 x 1.074 = 42). That would give them 599 runs allowed. Which is 3.7 Runs per game. Even if their offense reproduced last season exactly, that is suddenly a winning season.

    If the Mets pitching posted the above stats (where they were 2nd best in MLB) for a whole season, that would amount to 582 runs, or 3.6 runs per game. With the same offense from last season, that would have given the team an expected win/loss record of 86-76.

    And notice, I’m not asking these pitchers to go out and do something they have never done before, I’m asking them to duplicate the successes they have already achieved at the major league level against major league hitters.

    This team has more than enough offense, they need the pitching to step up and be more consistent. If the pitching is there, and this defense plays well (Lagares is probably the second best defensive player in all of MLB), they can be a winning ballclub.

    Now, just for fun, lets say the Mets pitching really does post a 582 runs allowed stat for the entire season. What offense would the team need to get to 90 wins? 647 runs. Last year they scored 619. An increase of 28 runs.

    That is doable. This is all doable. The pitching needs to perform first. If they do, the rest will fall into place.

  • Hotstreak

    To shill a product the Mets winning 90 games is the one flaw in the character of DW . Yes loyalty to boss is good and he is the face of the franchise. But after awhile his comments are taken as that are; that is meaningless.

    However my suggested comment still shows belief in the team and his realization that he is accountable to winning just by doing what is expected and nothing more.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Chago,

    That’s great having been able to chat with Omar and George Bell a few times when living in the Dominican Republic. I do not know the man personally and cannot comment on how it might be to share a few drinks with him but as far as the business side and the subject of being open and communicating fairly with the fan base I agree with everything you said about Sandy. He has been giving us a barrel of BS from the beginning. But it’s not just him, of course, he is part of a trio consisting of Fred and Jeff Wilpon

    It has been argued that one takes what the GM says too literally or intentionally twists the GM’s words around but if that was really the case it would mean Fox Sports and Howie Medgal also took things too literally or twisted things around when the Mets introduced Sandy to the media at the end of October, 2010. After his introduction to the press Medgal had this to say about the Mets fiscal situation – which is quite different than what he has been writing about it since:

    “So the Mets will have a tireless worker (he’s also a former Marine) who uses sophisticated analysis in decision-making to leverage the large barrels of money the Mets should make when properly managed.

    “As a friend e-mailed today: “They’re the A’s with money.”

    He also wrote that the Mets would be limited in terms of what they could spend in 2011 and would not facing those same problems in 2012:

    “But in 2011, the Mets still have a number of terrible contracts on the books. Alderson will have to find bargains to complement the front-line talent on the roster next year, before receiving additional payroll room in 2012.”

    How he came to that conclusion was reported by Fox Sports:

    “Alderson pointed out his family in the crowd and said he wants to establish more payroll flexibility for the Mets. He also said it’s unlikely they’ll be aggressive in the free-agent market this winter.

    ”I’m a realist,” he said.”

    Expanding more on that point, FOX Sports reported the Mets were not worried about being burdened by any of those big contracts:

    “Controlling owner Fred Wilpon said if Alderson recommends the club eat some hefty contracts, the Mets would ”absolutely” do that.

    Medgal said Sandy was not thinking in terms of rebuilding the club at all and inherited a lot of great talent. Fox Sports reported Jeff Wilpon confirmed this saying that day:

    ”He’s never used the word `rebuild.”

    Again, knowing what we know now, and knowing what the Wilpon family and Sandy knew at that time about the real bleak economic situation facing Sterling Mets, the spin campaign was already in full swing. Except for the lack of spending in 2011 and the use of statistical analysis, nothing else that we were told we could look forward to after that day resembled what Medgal (and most others) were led to believe:

    “There isn’t currently that combination of large-market cash and managerial know-how anywhere in the National League. The Mets may just have become the franchise.”

    The MLB loan which saved the Wilpons from being deliquent on their monthly obligations came prior to Sandy’s hiring. It was admitted that Sterling Mets began having serious cash flow problems a year before Sandy was hired. And yet on October 29, 2010, nobody would have thought anything was wrong based on the rosy picture painted by those at the podium.

    f one is not upset by it or doesn’t feel it is important in the overall picture or even feels Sandy had no other choice, that is fine and that opinion should be respected by everyone. But it cannot be defended as to say it wasn’t intentional on the part of the Mets (Sandy, Fred and Jeff) or that others were making something up and taking what the GM said out of context.

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/null/2010/10/694009/sandy-alderson-overachieving-baseball-architect-underachieving-baseball- http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Sandy-Alderson-introduced-as-general-manager-of-New-York-Mets-102910

  • Joey D.

    Hi Derpy,

    But just as the pitching improved tremendously as the season went on, do you realize of the 619 runs they scored last season, 97 of them came in their first 16 games, averaging 6.06 per contest? In their remaining 146 games they scored a total of 522 times for an average of 3.58 runs per game which is more reflective than the 3.8 figure you have noted. So if they give up an average of 3.77 runs per game (earned and unearned) they still fall short.

    They will score 580 runs while giving up at best just that 582. And of course, that defense depends upon Lagares being the everyday center fielder.

    As you know, I tend to go more on what’s being reported about the players themselves. Is Ike Davis shortening the time he takes to lower his hands before taking his swing going to propel him back into being a dangerous hitter? Will d’Arnaud now be back in playing strength and could hit way better than the .200 we saw him struggling with? Or not so? What about the anemic hitting CY does against right handed pitching? Who will protect Granderson in the linup if Davis doesn’t come through? The lineup itself is prone to so many strikeouts – and remember, we only have two players who had more than 200 at bats and hit above .256 last season in the lineup this year – Murphy and Wright.

    If we only went out and got two legit bats, then I think we would have had a balanced lineup to back up our pitching would could get much better even without Matt this season. As far as the hitting, stop with this taking the early pitches on the corners and let the hitters hit. That will allow us to score a few more runs just on its own.

  • BigAl831

    No I would not.

    Now if we’re talking a few years ago, i’d be open to discussing it.

  • Hotstreak

    Phillies too. Not to win for 3rd place: They tanked on purpose and by default we got third place last season. They are foretasted to be about three games better than the Mets.

  • Derpy

    You aren’t allowed to cut stats down like that. Runs for the season are runs for the season. Cherry picking start and end dates doesn’t work out mathematically or logically. You run into huge sample size issues. The numbers average out over the course of a season.

  • DrDooby

    The outrage seems rather weird.

    Of course, 90 wins is a lofty goal that the Mets probably won´t reach in 2014 given the way their current roster is structured.

    But considering that the team in place right now – without Harvey, Byrd, Buck and a few crappy relievers but with Colon, Granderson, d´Arnaud, C.Young and a lot more young depth – essentially played .500 Baseball over the final 100 games of the season, would .500 really be a significant goal ?

    Again, the Mets gave almost 3.000 AB last season to players that all had a .700 OPS or (much) less – more than half of the team´s entire AB total. Almost half of these AB went to players who aren´t with the organization anymore. And the question is whether Ike Davis, Ruben Tejada, Eric Young jr., Juan Lagares and – if he´s even on the roster – Omar Quintanilla – collectively will improve or regress. Considering ages & previous career totals, a collective improvement is almost inevitable.

    But while the offense was utterly mediocre, it was still closer to being “playoff caliber” than the pitching staff – in a slightly pitcher friendly park for that matter. While it´s a rather safe bet that the Mets will score more runs this season than in 2013 and probably 2012 too – btw also according to most projection systems – the low win prediction mainly stems from very pessimistic projections about the Mets´- largely unproven – pitching staff.

    Mets pitchers – on average – collectively performed about 10 wins worse than pitchers on playoff teams in both 2013 and 2012. This is the area where the Mets can make huge strides over the next year or two. Yes, beyond Colon, Gee, Niese and Parnell, the entire staff is largely unproven. But unless you believe tha the plethora of young arms is bound to fail as a group, the pitching should get better. A bit better probably means a .500 season in 2014. A lot better would mean playoff contention or even a shot at the playoffs. But that´ll be on Zack Wheeler, Jenrry Mejia, Vic Black, Jeurys Familia, Gonzalez Germen and eventually Rafael Montero, Jacob DeGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Cory Mazzoni, Jack Leathersich, Jeff Walters or whoever sees action this season.

  • LIKayLGM

    So hoping for the best is considered a character flaw to you? Now we are picking apart the words said to a reporter? You do know he’s an athlete and not a public speaker right?

    Is this becoming a joke, “how many times can can a thread be turned into DW is a shill or company man in one preseason?”

    I don’t know about most of you, but following baseball is a passion of mine, but it doesn’t pay my mortgage, PSE&G bill, etc….it is my escape from “real life”. I want those representing my passion to be positive, and I want them to HOPE they can do the best. I don’t want them to say, well, things have sucked the past few years, and this year will be no different, so don’t bother following us, it just won’t be worth it.

  • Hotstreak

    Kay I apologize if I offended you. Shill is a killing the optimism of ST that everyone starts even . Vegas has them at 73.5. I have them at 78-80 which I round up to 81 to have a ,500 season. Tom Seaver says .500 is mediocre. I agree. I go back to what I originally posted in reply to JB.

    “Wright could say he doesn’t go in the forecasting business and is concentrating on his own endurance and a winning season.”

    I always bring up DW’s stellar character. However to lock yourself into what the baseball community sees a long shot probably 40-1 odds for 90 wins or over hhype is wrong as negativity. I should have stuck to sayin no circumstance should DW lock himself in a number.

    The Met fans realize 90 win number is to sell tickets or :”shill” but I was wrong perpetuating negativity. I am not a doomsday guy as 81 wins is doable. Hopefully TdA and Largares, Mejia and Noah surprise us and get us 90 wins. Yes DW must do his share too.

    Kay I read you loud and clear and apologize again.

  • Hodges14

    Keep in mind that after the allstar break last year they were 33 – 38. it bothers me that people point to a 100 game stretch where the team played .500 as some sort of accomplishment. The only way that would have been a positive is if they had won 2/3 of the remaining 62 games. The fact is the 2013 Mets were a pathetic team that never came close to sniffing the playoff race. They were essentially out of contention before the allstar break.

  • Hodges14

    Then why where they 22 – 30 entering June last year? and 33 – 45 entering July?

  • LIKayLGM

    Hotstreak – No need to apologize – we are an are having different views and voicing them adult like nothing ever wrong with that. You are not offensive at all. Telling me that I like DW because of his dimples, dismissing my knowledge of the game because my gender IS offensive and you have never done that – so again no need 😉

    In previous similar threads, I’ve said, yeah maybe he is a shill and/or company man, but I think it’s foolish not to be.

    When I hear anyone say they are capable of winning…x games, selling tixs doesn’t come to my mind at all. Just me I guess, I’m just a positive person in general.

    Thanks for your response, again, we can disagree, that’s how we learn things from each other, it’s great, its just when doing it with insult is involved.

    Lets Go mets

  • Hodges14

    Either way, the GM is now on record saying they have a team that can win 90 games.

  • Sunshine

    I think 82 wins sounds about right. I think if most things go right, thats where the Mets can end up. It would be a positive step, something to build on. I would be happy with that, as It could go just as awry and we look at another year of 74 wins. Ugh.

  • DrDooby

    And David Wright appeared in less than half of those games. Matt Harvey started what, maybe 5 games over that stretch and Marlon Byrd & John Buck were around for less than half of those games as well. Zack Wheeler was shut down for the final couple of starts and none of the younger arms were brought up after reaching their IP limits.

    The 2014 Mets – barring injuries to David Wright, Curtis Granderson and Travis d´Arnaud – should run out a significantly better lineup than most of 2013.

  • LIKayLGM

    Hotstreak – I replied and said you have no need to apologize, you respectfully post your opposing opinion, not sure why, but my comment went into moderation. This is the readers digest version 😉 Again, thanks but not necessary.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I must be confused. Is Terry Collins the GM? Because that’s who we’re talking about here.

    “Terry better be gone if this team doesn’t break .500” was OP’s initial statement. Didn’t realize he was now the GM.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Honestly? Right now, you’d rather have Wright than Stanton? Wow.

    What do you mean by “a few years ago”?

  • Bill Buckner

    I don’t disagree at all. I just don’t like that he seems to go out of his way to praise the FO (including ownership) year after year regardless of what happens (or doesn’t happen). If he truly feels they’re doing a great job, than fine – and I could see feeling that way this offseason. But Wright has praised them every offseason since he’s been here…it just gets to the point where I don’t even bother listening to a Wright interview because I already know what he’s going to say…

  • Bill Buckner

    That’s fine, but his answers seem to contradict each other. Regardless of the questions, you can’t say that you feel it’ll not be “fixed” in one offseason and then say that you expect 90 wins. Wouldn’t 90 wins mean that it was “fixed”?

  • Hotstreak

    Kay: Sometimes we respectfully disagree but the key word is respect. 🙂

  • Bill Buckner

    Who says “people talking smack about his teammate anonymously” was one of the Wilpons or Sandy? When I refer to FO I’m referring to people of consequence…not an equipment manager or whomever else may have made those comments.

    As far as it being a “bizarre, pathological hatred” for the FO, have you lived under a rock for the last decade? Payroll is slashed every year while ticket prices remain stagnant or even rise. The owners have been caught in lies multiple times. How does any true Mets fan that has hatred for the FO & specifically ownership appear as bizarre or pathological to you? If you want to blindly praise the Wilpons every move as they continue to doubletalk fans and pad their bottom line, be my guest. But don’t insult those of us who actually expect a big market product when we are being charged big market prices…

  • LIKayLGM

    Amen brutha!! Lets Go mets

  • BigAl831

    I mean in 2009 when we should’ve either gone all out and rebuilt or resigned both Reyes and Wright.

    Obviously it’s tempting. I’d think about it for a long time. But David Wright is a better all around player than Stanton right now, has proven he can play in NY at the highest level, and is the guy we’ve decided to build around. Stanton can’t stay on the field so far and that’s pretty worrisome for such a young player. He’s also about to earn a ridiculous contract that the Mets wouldn’t be able to afford anyway.

  • Hotstreak

    Yes, baseball season is here. Hot stove is over. LGM

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    So they weren’t in the race in July? Did you watch the games? They played competitive up until the all star break.

  • jason bay

    They are answers to two different questions and they were posed at two different times and do not contradict each other.

    One question was about the rebuilding plan taking place in relation to Wright signing a long term extension.

    The other was a question about the possibility of winning 90 games this year.

    It is both true that a rebuild does in fact take more than just the first year the team has any meaningful money to spend and yet it is also true that we could win 90 games in 2014 so what has been “proven” here?

    It is a tedious exercize that neither illuminates nor changes a single thing when you compare answers posed to different questions at different times and then try to play gotchya with any remarks that appear to be in conflict with each other because as I said above a Rebuild DOES take more than a year and DOES NOT preclude the possibility of winning 90 in the first year the team has any meaningful money to spend.

  • jason bay

    a big part of being a successful player is not stirring up a **** storm with the media. Wright is not going to be a controversal guy and he shouldn’t be. Reyes wasn’t, Beltran wasn’t, Glavine wasn’t, Floyd wasn’t,

    Cal Ripken, Tony Gwynn and Vladimir Guerrero played on a dozen teams that finished under .500. Did they say anything controversal against management and ownership?

    Nothing that Wright, Alderson or anyone else says for public consumption has anything to do with anything. It is not what they say, it’s what they do that matters and I really don’t get this obsession over what people say anyway.

    I care what they do because that talks and BS walks so the less time spent BSing the more time can be spent doing as far as I’m concerned.

  • Bill Buckner

    I agree with you that in the grand scheme of things it makes no difference what he says. Again, for me it’s not that I expect him to go on record and take the FO to task. I just wish he would stop going out of his way to praise them at every turn. True, Cal Ripken never ripped the FO (that I can remember), but I’m pretty sure he also didn’t tell the fanbase what a great job the owner/GM was doing every offseason as they wallowed in the cellar

  • mad met

    The best post i have read on this site .. clear sharp to the point and true

  • Joey D.

    Hi mad met,

    Hey, thanks so much – really appreciate it.

  • Mets&jets

    Of course Wright agrees he’s a yes man