Yankees Say They Are Out On Stephen Drew

stephen drewUpdated 12/31

Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said his team will not sign free agent shortstop Stephen Drew, according to Peter Gammons.

The Red Sox and Mets are still the only teams with reported interest for Drew.

But Gammons talks about a potential “pillow contract” which means a one-year deal to go back to Boston and try to increase his value for another go at free agency next offseason.

Original Post 12/30

Marc Carig of Newsday writes that the Mets remain in contact with Scott Boras about free agent Stephen Drew, but as the new year approaches they seem prepared to begin the 2014 season with Ruben Tejada as their starter at shortstop.

A source with knowledge of the talks, likens the situation as taking the same form as the Michael Bourn negotiations last offseason, when the Mets temporarily jumped in sensing a lower price, but ultimately lost out to the Cleveland Indians.

In my opinion, this is just a matter of doing the math. 

First, the Mets are still about $10-15 million dollars below last year’s payroll, a payroll they promised to increase. Currently, at around $82 million, the Mets are in the bottom ten among all major league teams in payroll ranking.

Second, I never thought it possible for the Mets to be able to fill all the items on their agenda even if they were to spend the $50 million that was coming off the books.

Initially Alderson said he was looking for two corner outfielders, two rotation starters, a shortstop, a veteran backup catcher and two bullpen arms, while resolving the first base situation. But things came to a screeching halt soon after they signed Chris Young, Curtis Granderson and finally Bartolo Colon. Those three represented $87.25 million in total dollars and $31.25 toward the 2014 payroll budget.

All of a sudden Tejada isn’t looking so bad, the bullpen has ample internal solutions, and Anthony Recker seems a fine backup.

Personally, I think they blew it by not pursuing the shortstop first – before laying out what they did on Chris Young.

That’s because the fallback plan of Granderson, Juan Lagares and Eric Young Jr. was far more appealing than the fallback plan at short.

With the Mets so close to their spending threshold, we now have Sandy Alderson singing Tejada’s praises after the Winter Meetings, and then Special Assistant J.P. Ricciardi doing likewise last week.

They are obviously bracing fans for the inevitable, and mostly because before the offseason got underway they had very few good things to say about their likely Opening Day shortstop – Ruben Tejada.

Boras will ultimately get Drew his multi-year deal, and while mum’s the word in Flushing, that’s not the case in Boston where they openly say Drew would be welcomed back. The Yankees are also very interested.

Drew may represent an upgrade to Tejada right now, although not by much. If you want to compare Drew’s contract season to Tejada’s first bad season at 23, it looks like a big upgrade. But at this point, at least to me, the upside is all with Tejada at 24 rather than Drew at 31.

At about $13-14 million per year, it’s quite a gamble for the Mets to take on a player who’s missed over 70 games per season in the last three years.

I’m not saying Tejada is a superior choice, but I’d rather save my money and look for a better upgrade via a trade or even waiting for next season when Harvey comes back and the shortstop market may be better.

The worst thing that could happen by passing on Drew, is that Tejada rebounds with an above average season and the Mets didn’t fork over $40-45 million that they could have used somewhere else.

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  • Connor O’Brien

    So I guess Drew’s price will continue to drop. Maybe a one year deal maybe with an option isn’t out of the question after all.

  • Testing new Disqus platform.

  • Captain America

    What’s up with comments?

  • Captain America

    I would think mets would risk 2nd round pick to have drew on a pillow deal

  • Connor O’Brien

    For one year I definitely think they’d be willing to go overbudget. Maybe even for two years.

  • AJF

    Nice! You should be able to get more folks to comment here now

  • Captain America

    I like it Joe D.

    Hope you got your jerry Manuel talking bobble head from Santa!

  • calamityfrancis

    I like it already

  • Guest

    I wouldn’t mind Drew on a 2 year deal.

  • calamityfrancis

    I look forward to all of the ‘core’ down votes that are sure to come.

  • calamityfrancis

    even at 2 years, he’s a great pickup.

  • Rocky Thompson

    With the apparent high cost of obtaining a young SS in a trade, Drew becomes a real possibility. IMO they should take a flyer on Aledmys Diaz, the Cuban SS.

  • diehardmets

    Fangraphs currently has Drew projected for around 2.0 WAR, with the majority of that value coming from defense. Furthermore, Drew is a significant injury risk, and could easily see his mediocre offense decline even further away from the friendly confines of the AL East. Given that, I wouldn’t want to give him anymore than a $7 million aav over at most 2 years, preferably 1 with an option.

  • RS

    I don’t think the FO was setting expectations. I tihnk it was more about posturing to allow the best deal possible.
    The worst case scenario is that we stick with Ruben, he puts up numbers similar to last year, gets hurt again, is slow to heal, and Q is playing 80 games…
    Our SS production last year was clsoe to the worst in MLB.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Looks awesome joe, fyi im steve p, disqus also has a great email notifer when people comment on others comments the person gets an email do they can continue z conversation

  • Lotus1209

    YES. FINALLY disqus has come to this site. Watch Joe D, you’re going to get all of metsblog to join this site and it will definitely cause a huge amount of trafficking here.

  • RS

    Diaz projects to be in AA next year, is a Defense first (only) ss. It’s not a realistic short term solution

  • Harvey33

    Love the new system! I told everyone on MetsBlog about it! Hoping to bring some people over:)

  • HillsideAve

    Great move, Joe. You are going to collect a slew of MB readers and commenters. In spite of the lameness of MB, the commenter community was largely a great group of real fans. Hopefully the word gets out quickly…..they changed their commenting platform to livefyre and killed everything good about the blog.
    Your content here is superior, anyway. Looking forward to becoming a regular….

  • Do you guys like newer comments on top or bottom?

  • Thanks Harvey!

  • HillsideAve

    Who’s going to lead off?

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    New on top is great, but i believe u can set it so each person has their choice of either oldest, newest or most liked at the top

  • Captain America

    Maybe doesn’t even profile as a SS

  • Thanks, I was not aware of that and just selected that option.

  • HillsideAve

    I like them at the bottom…more scrolling but I get a better sense of the continuity. Disqus is great because you can engage in true conversations, and following the timeline is my preferred way.

  • Harvey33

    My name is Joe as well:)! But Harvey is in tribute of hopefully this gens Seaver.

  • RS

    what would you have paid peralta? (2.7 WAR)

  • Harvey33

    I will continue to do so! I just did again. I am telling them that we here have superior writing as well as members of the comment section that know what they are talking about.

  • Harvey33

    If we get drew I believe we can compete for the second wild card. Say what you want, if Drew gives us what he have the Red Soxs last year, then that’s almost four plus wins.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Looks great joe

  • diehardmets

    Nowhere near what he got. 3 years, $36 million at most.

  • joeyd1966

    Just offer the guy a 2 year deal already. If he declines then move on.

  • Harvey33

    Is this the full time go to system now?

  • ac0814

    This is a no-brainer, in my opinion. Give Drew two years. Keep all the young pitching.

    Next season, the Mets can add that last big bat via trade.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    i dont like drew at all

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    100% they killed that site when they got rid of disqus and used livewire

  • ac0814

    I would bat Drew lead off.

    Drew
    Lagares
    Murphy
    Wright
    Granderson
    Young
    Davis/Duda
    d’Anaud

    Thats the way I would write it up. Murphy is a good enough hitter to bat 3rd, and it stretches the lineup out.

  • RS

    why?

  • joeyd1966

    It was the worst.

  • Agee’s Catch

    It seems simple enough – outbid the Red Sox. We’re probably going to have to shed a little salary, which may mean cutting Davis. But it is absolutely necessary.

  • mitchpetanick

    Love the new look – upset all the comments on the Matz article disappeared before I could respond to them 🙁

  • SRT

    My vote is new on bottom – just like the old format.
    But as others have noted, you can set your own preference.

  • Agee’s Catch

    It really doesn’t matter since we can select out preference.

    I appreciate you guys switching to DISQUS.

    Also good to see friends from the other website making the switch to MMO. Kudos!

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    U can change it to what ever u like best, everyone can pick what they like

  • Super T

    My compliments to the site owners installing disqus here, very nice!

  • Super T

    Top.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Lol funny happy new year to mb lolol

  • SRT

    Joe: you used to be able to click a comment in the ‘Recent Comments’ box on the right and it would take you right to that comment in that thread.
    That doesn’t seem to be working with this new format.

  • Agee’s Catch

    He’s better than Tejada. And we have no one like him even remotely close. It’s chilling to think we could go Lagares – Tejada – Pitcher.

  • agetting

    Nice this has the old disquis…

  • Agee’s Catch

    Feels like an old friend….

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    10mill for a guy who hits 250 with 10 hr… I dont think is good

  • agetting

    another thing that sucks about the new metsblog is the fact that you don’t get emails sent to you when people respond to your posts

  • Agee’s Catch

    Just had to….

  • Agee’s Catch

    You meant me, right Hillside? All kidding aside, this has made my day. I hope MMO keeps it.

  • Agee’s Catch

    Problem is that with only one year guaranteed, he’ll probably go elsewhere. Our best shot is to offer the extra year.

  • HillsideAve

    That’s right brutha….spread the word. It made my day too.

  • joeyd1966

    You can by clicking onto your screen name on the r7ght and editing your profile.

  • Agee’s Catch

    I wrote to Matt this morning and told him that I had had enough. After 9 years, I will not post there anymore. When they censored the word DISQUS, that was the last straw. On to better times. On to Mets baseball!

  • Yes, it’s not working, and I’m going to have to replace it with a Disqus compliant widget. There’s a couple of other quirks, but I’ll have the ALL ironed out by tonight.

  • HillsideAve

    He strikes out way too much, 124 last year. Murphy and Lagares don’t have good OBP numbers either. I never liked Murphy in the 2 hole, but he ended up there by default. The top of the order is a big issue, but I could see Drew ending up there by default as well. It just better not be EY, Jr.

  • They will be restored after our migration is complete. We didn’t lose any of the previous comments.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    If your looking for most recent….top of page on left u can sort comments into either most recent, oldest or most liked.

  • Agee’s Catch

    I usually sifted through my notifications. A few of them ran the course of a few days.

  • Agee’s Catch

    Our best lead off hitter would probably be Wright. Adding Drew would give us a middle of the order bat to free Wright to make the move.

  • Captain America

    EYJ
    Murphy
    Wright
    Morales
    Granderson
    C Young
    D’Arnaud
    Owings

  • Agee’s Catch

    Joe, this is great. And the website looks clean and crisp. Thank you!

  • CJM

    I agree with everyone who is pleased to see the more functional Disqus commenting platform here. I’ve been reading MMO for probably a month and a half now, but haven’t participated in the discussion. Looking forward to joining in.

  • vigouge

    Drew’s not a significant injury risk, other than a freak ankle injury he’s had the typical amount of injuries every player gets.

  • vigouge

    He is also very good defensively and plays a premium position.

  • As a default I like newer at the bottom just keep where you can switch beween best/newer/older.

  • I vote to ban this guy right away 🙂

  • agetting

    how do i get rid of this dumb looking Mr Met face…definitely didn’t sign up for that

  • I cannot wait to see how hard ALEX68 gets downvoted. ROFL

  • joeyd1966

    Lol. You can do that in the edit your profile as well.

  • agetting

    Metss

  • Awesome, Dis comments are a part of mobile site now too. IDK if you saw my comment last week but the new mobile site rocks Joe.

  • Awesome and an Edit button which I desperately need. I am very happy Joe.

  • Avatarapalooza!

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    Haha I was just thinking how it would be a good idea for metsmerized to start using disqus since everyone’s angry over mets blog switching over, good call. Blogs are a business too.

  • taskmaster4450

    Change is good.

  • Agee’s Catch

    I was thinking of this when I saw the Clemente post…

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    “That’s because the fallback plan of Granderson, Juan Lagares and Eric Young Jr. was far more appealing than the fallback plan at short.”

    I disagree. Even if Granderson gives you around his career average, Lagares although having potential is still largely uncertain offensively. Eric Young Jr is not a starting outfielder on a good baseball team — he’s more of an ideal super-sub. Chris Young despite the recent downturn in his #’s is someone I’d still much prefer to get the bulk of the playing time over EYJR, over the course of a season. I’m fine giving EYJR an occasional start vs a RHP.

    I’m not gonna be in tears if Tejada is the opening day SS. I don’t think it’s impossible skinny, motivated Tejada can WAR a decent 1.5-2.5 — but Drew for a reasonable 2 year deal would be good for the Mets.

    Love the Disqus btw, Much more user friendly than Livefyre.

  • mr1313

    Nice move going with Disqus MMO. i left that other site when they went away from it. I do wish this site had the Mets tweets somewhere. Still glad I came over to MMO best move I could have made for Mets info.

  • Captain America

    Will the new system keep out banned posters?

  • Thanks Salty not just now, but for always being supportive and giving me some good advice and feedback this past year.

  • Fonzie

    Good ?

  • Rocky Thompson

    The defense only Cuban SS is Erisbel Arruebarruena, not Aledmys Diaz. As CA points out below, there has been talk about him being moved to 2B. As I say about, not sure he is the answer, but think Mets should take a “flyer” on him.

  • Bail4Nails

    Can we please try to trade for Brad Miller? Offer Seattle anything short of Wheeler or Thor. Isn’t it worth it to get a young marquee SS and leadoff hitter for the next 6 years? If Seattle doesn’t bite, you can still trade w the D’Backs for Owings. Either one is a much better leadoff hitter than Drew or Tejada., no?

  • Captain America

    Hope it works well for Joe D

  • Captain America

    Montero for owings

  • Bail4Nails

    I would definitely do Montero for Owings. I wouldn’t mind them taking a shot at Miller first though, it couldn’t hurt.

  • jason bay

    I Wouldn’t give up the 3rd rounder and the money associated with it for a one or two year guy especially when we have already given away the 2nd rounder and that money.

    We’re still in a rebuilding mode.

  • RS

    I think both players are being undervalued by mets fans.

    I don’t see miller getting traded, and I’d so, only for a proven mlb commodity.

  • Hotstreak

    I have been advocating his acquisition via a trade too. However I would be careful who I would trade.

  • Bail4Nails

    What about Montero and Gee? Throw in Tejada as a bench guy to back up Franklin and Cano. Think that would do it? Too much?

  • Well just as my site is Disqus and I can’t comment from work, so too will go MMO. The core will be happy! It really is the best comment platform.

  • It is much easier to police through Disqus. Still if trash wants to make 50 email accounts and post through mobile devices, etc you can’t keep them completely out. Best thing is Disqus and like MLBTR a very active moderator.

  • RS

    What’d the love for owing about? His numbers are tejadaesque…

  • mitchpetanick

    Off topic: Mack is over on Metsblog trying to insinuate that there is a “big kahuna” that has convinced others to leave all the negative comments on Metsblog. Found it odd that this comment was written, because I doubt any one Mets blogger has become so powerful that they have an army of commenters under them.

  • One should never care what Mack says or what is said in MB comments. Neither are relevant to intelligent discussion.

  • He was absolutely insinuating some crap to stir trouble. In the end he is just an old fool.

  • mitchpetanick

    Off topic again – I bought a ticket to the QBC but won’t be able to attend because I didn’t realize it falls on the same day as my son’s baptism – if anyone is interested in taking it, let me know…it’s free, just don’t want it to go to waste.

  • Kabeetz

    Joe has made a great case for Tejada over Drew… Hoping they put these dollars elsewhere.

  • Daniel

    Drew is a MUST if the Mets are serious about competing next year. Drew + Tejada at SS in 2014 is a huge win over Tejada + Quintanilla in 2013.

  • Captain America

    Why promote him?

  • Jane

    Love it! Please keep this platform!!!

  • mitchpetanick

    wasn’t promoting him, was trying to expose him – it’s pretty obvious he was insinuating that Joe was the Godfather of Mets Bloggers…which is pretty cool I guess, but I just don’t know how he could have come up with that idea about commenters from other sites leaving scripted comments on other sites, unless….

  • Captain America

    Please look at Chris Owings MiLB numbers.

  • Jane

    Q won’t be there if Ruben gets hurt..Tovar will. But hope we don’t go down that road!

  • Jane

    Not to mention the inability to write original articles in the offseason!

  • I will admit that it’s ironic because we have often referred to MC as the blogfather.

  • mr1313

    Drew is not a must, sorry man Drew isn’t very good. He can’t hit and his numbers have been declining, he can’t stay healthy and he is average in the field. He’s not good and will be overpaid I much rather trade for a SS or see what Tejada can do this year. I think some of us forget what Tejada did in 2011-2012.

  • Jane

    I like the ability to set my preferences! Can only read comments at night..why I respond so late…so I like to start with the oldest ones first! This forum gives me the ability to set it up that way so I am not constantly changing it for every thread!

  • HobokenMetsFan

    This is excellent. MB’s quality of content has nose dived precipitously and their “analysis” is not my favorite, let’s say.

    This blog, however, is fantastic. I’ve been reading it daily for a few moths now and am enthused with the switch to disqus.

    LGM

  • Jane

    I saw that also Mitch and found it odd! Have read MetsBlog for a few years now and it has always had negative posters! Many thoughts as to why this post now..but have promised myself to be more positive in 2014 so will leave them unsaid 🙂 Love your posts on the minor leagues…best wishes for a very Happy New Year!

  • SRT

    Well, you seemed to have got that working now. You’re quick!

  • Daniel

    Yes he is. He’s a 3-4 WAR SS good for 15 HRs and solid defense when his ankle isn’t turned 360 degrees. What he did in 2012 means nothing to me. Other than that one injury, he has been generally healthy.

    Lets not act like Tejada has been a clean bill of health. He hurt his quad 2 years in a row and he broke his leg too. His 2011-12 were both inflated by BABIP. He has no power or speed to speak of and should not be counted on as a starting SS. He hits LHP and can play SS, that’s all he can do. He’s a back-up for us, but a good one.

  • mr1313

    Drew wouldn’t hit more than 8 hrs at Citi. He’s played in Arizona and Boston both pretty decent hitting parks. He’s overrated. We can agree to disagree but I don’t want Drew and all the other teams aside from Boston who would only take him on a one year deal seem to agree. if we can get him at a steep discount than I’m fine with it, I think he will be waiting for a long time to get 10-12 million for 2-3 years he wants.

  • mitchpetanick

    Thanks, Jane….Happy New Year to you as well!

  • Daniel

    What is your evidence of this? It’s actually more difficult for left handed batters to hit homers in Fenway as opposed to Citi. 2/20 for Drew is a STEAL.

  • diehardmets

    Drew is projected for only 2.0 WAR in 2014.

  • Waz0787

    Stupid livefyre. They censor your comments if you write wilpons suck. Eff metsblog and their shitty comments thread. I enjoyed their site because of the discussion and people who wrote were characters. Anyway best thing by far upgrading to disqus. Thank You

  • Waz0787

    Yes!!!!! Eff you metsblog

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Hitman here. I love the transition the site has made to Disqus. With that said, I hope Drew takes that pillow contract back to Boston. It was a huge mistake on his part to turn down the QO. The Mets best bet is the trade market by going after Andrus. They must upgrade their middle infield because Tejada & Murph is anemic defensively.

  • AJF

    Hahaha I agree! Happy New Year

  • Bail4Nails

    Realistically, how long before Cecchini makes it up? Don’t we just have to get somebody until then?

  • Lotus1209

    Andrus is expensive… and should cost money and a buttload of prospects unfortunately. It’s not like we can give them Montero and be done with it.

    The intriguing thing is, that he has an option out 3 years from now… and if he plays up to Reyes standards, which I think he is capable of minus the homer power, he could be in a position to command a massive contract in 2017. By then we’d be paying Harvey and co millions in arbitration…

  • Lotus1209

    We could, however… realistically have Cecchini and Rosario waiting in the wings by then though… so all what I said could be moot. Regardless… it is an intriguing situation. I’d prefer Drew for two years TBH.. not because of his offensive prowess… but to assure that we at least get league-average production from SS for the next two years. By then Cecchini or another prospect could possibly be ready.

  • mitchpetanick

    A little motivation for the MMO readers to get 2014 off on the right foot…

    http://youtu.be/nUsHePihYO4

  • Lotus1209

    Sign Drew for 2 years 24 million with a vesting option for year three based on plate appearances. Still dont think it’d be that big of a deal if he falters… With all the money that Drew could potentially bring in terms of revenue (not saying hes a big name-guy, but the fact that the Mets are spending will cause a lot more fans to tune in) and essentially pay for his own contract.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    I dont trust Drew at all, especially after what I saw during the postseason. How can you be sure he’ll provide league average production? I’d rather go after the guy who would be the leadoff hitter we desperately need with speed, great defense, and pop that will come later, especially if he jumps to the NL East.

  • BehindTheBag

    Realistically, at least 2 full seasons, probably more like 3-4

  • boraswannabe

    Oh joyous day!

  • BehindTheBag

    The best option is trading Montero in a package for a SS or to get back a package that includes a SS.

  • Danny

    (posting through my other account since I can’t sign in now for some reason). I don’t buy the projections for Drew in 2014 for one second. It obviously is weighing too much of his 2012 into account where he was coming off an 11 month ankle injury. He never got into rhythm on both sides of the ball.

  • Run Support Group

    Has there been any indication that the D’backs have an interest in Montero?

  • Run Support Group

    Another thing to keep in mind is that Tejada can hit lefties well. You can spell Drew against tough lefties with Tejada

  • Super T

    Why not just keep Montero and sign Drew (most likely for less than his market value)?

  • Bail4Nails

    So far I’ve heard here that 1) Andrus and Miller are untouchable (would cost Thor-like prospects), 2) Owings is overrated, 3) Drew is not a good leadoff hitter, and won’t last with his injury history, and 4) Nobody here wants Tejada.
    Now I’m more confused than I was before I came to MMO today. Who knows?

  • Super T

    It’s a lot easier to just say “you would rather trade for a SS” then it actually being accomplished. Chances are we probably aren’t getting a very good one unless we’re willing to part with a Wheeler, Syndergaard, or d’Arnaud type player.

  • Run Support Group

    Signing Drew is the best possible thing to do for SS. Drew+Tejada>>>>>>>>>>>>>Q+Tejada

  • Run Support Group

    It’s simple. We make Duda the leadoff hitter and SS, he walks a lot

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    If Drew is the best possible option, we’re in trouble.

  • Run Support Group

    Well, he is probably the most realistic. Drew plays premium defense and his offense is mediocre, but that’s a huge upgrade over Tejada and Q. You could even do a pseudo-platoon with Tejada, he hits lefties well.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Drew being an upgrade over Tejada isnt saying much, as Tejada is not even a SS. I have a bad feeling that Drew is gonna regress even more, not just offensively.

  • Run Support Group

    I understand that fear, but we have to improve SS and take a risk here. Sign him for 2/24, it’s a good value for him and let’s hope he can produce like he did last year

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    I’d rather take a risk and trade a few prospects for a young SS like Andrus than someone at the end of his prime. After the Bay debacle, I trust no FA near 31 coming here.

  • Run Support Group

    Andrus would take Niese and Gee. We can’t afford to trade both of them. We can’t just use the jason bay excuse to not sign a FA.

  • Bail4Nails

    Careful, Sandy might take you up on that. Would be funny to see how many times Murph rounds him on the bases though.

  • Run Support Group

    Highly unlikely. Although he got some playing time in September, Owings is still a prospect. Prospect for prospect trades almost never happen.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    I was thinking Montero & Niese than Niese & Gee. Its not an excuse. There was an article in SI about players at 31 who went elsewhere and tanked.

  • BehindTheBag

    I’ve never heard they haven’t…and there are a few other teams (including the Mariners) with SS surplus.

    I haven’t heard of any instance where Sandy’s been dangling Montero. My theory is that he is holding onto him in the misguided belief that someday he can land us a superstar in trade. I’d rather try to do a prospect for prospect trade, dealing from our strengths against another team’s strengths. But that’s just me.

  • BehindTheBag

    That’s an option. I doubt we get Drew for our price in terms of number of years. But yeah, if we could get Drew on a 2 year deal, that’s a good option. I’m skeptical on a 3 year deal, given how up and down he’s been in his career.

    Incidentally, I”m not that high on Montero. I think he’s a bullpen guy in the future, not a mid-to-high-end starter. Who knows, but that’s just my gut feel based on his scouting report.

  • BehindTheBag

    1 – Agree, I think the Rangers and Mariners value those guys very highly.
    2 – I disagree with that, I think Owings has a lot of upside, he’s always hit at every level.
    3 – Agree with that, I don’t see him as a natural leadofff
    4 – Everyone except the Mets accountants believe that Tejada is a backup middle infielder.

  • Run Support Group

    Miller is pretty highly valued. I think SEA would want Thor for him. I also think that Sandy really wants to hold onto Montero and let him pitch this year in the majors(which will hopefully build his value if he does well) and include him in package for Cespedes next year. OAK can’t afford to keep him, and by that time we’ll be knee deep in pitching. Wheeler, Niese, Gee, Syndergaard, Mejia, Harvey coming back, Colon, Matz, Ynoa, Fullmer, DeGrom

  • Run Support Group

    Drew did hit .284 in the leadoff spot in Arizona, but my hope is that Lagares emerges as a leadoff hitter

  • vigouge

    A third round pick is only worth a couple hundred grand. Draft picks are nice and not factoring them into the cost of signing someone is wrong, but they’re not worth losing out of a good valued contract like the one Drew seems poised to sign.

  • vigouge

    Not to mention that being a lefty and thus having his power be to right, he’ll be slightly helped playing in Citi which is slightly above average for lhh hr’s to right.

  • vigouge

    Rangers don’t need pitching so if pitching had to a main part of a deal, it would have to be a significant overpay. Think Flores/Syndergaard/mid level guy.

  • DrDooby

    While it’s tough for many people to understand, Drew is a Top 10 in Baseball SS right now. Scott Boras is advertising him as a “Top 5”, though that’s more Boras than reality. But Drew is an above average hitter – for a SS – and a slightly above average fielder. And thus better than Ruben Tejada even in a best case scenario. Drew was 4 wins better than Tejada in 2013 but realistically is 2 wins better.

    At 2-years, 22 million, Drew would be a fine stopgap SS solution to buy some time until one of the prospects steps forward or the Mets can get a longterm solution via trade. But Mets fans will have to lower their SS expectations by quite a bit from their Jose Reyes ( and Derek Jeter on the other side of town) experience for a long time. Jose Reyes has regressed defensively as well over the past couple of years btw to a point where his range on groundballs has become below average to both sides and it only remains average due to the plus throwing arm and nice range on pop flies that he can still run down with the best of them. The defensive metrics do not lie in this case…

    And as for the supposed park effects, Drew hasn’t been a substantially better hitter at home (in rather hitter friendly parks) than on the road. He had much better numbers on the road than at home in 2010 & 2011 for example and has hit more HR on the road than at home for large chunks of his career. If you check out the stats, the difference between other upper echelon SS like Asdrubal Cabrera, JJ Hardy, Jed Lowrie, Jhonny Peralta is marginal.

  • Super T

    I’ll take this a step further and say if Stephen Drew is added(while still keeping Ruben Tejeda as a backup), in addition to the moves already made, and if the team gets league average play from catcher, 1B, and CF positions (which is likely), the team will win the most games it has since the 2008 season.

    Signing Stephen Drew and adding some depth in the SP ranks (Dice-K, Harang, etc) will bring the 2014 team very close to being a competitive .500 team imo. If potentially turning the team into a competitive team isn’t good enough reason to sign Stephen Drew (most likely at less than his market value) not sure what is?

  • DrDooby

    An Opening Day roster of:
    SP: Colon – Niese – Wheeler – Gee – Mejia (or Montero / Harang type)
    RP: Parnell – Black – Rice – Germen – Edgin (or a cheap LOOGY like Byrdak / Feliciano) – Familia (or Carreno / veteran reliever, say, Dotel) – Torres

    C: d’ Arnaud
    1b: Duda (or Ike) /Satin platoon
    2b: Murphy
    3b: Wright
    SS: Drew
    RF: C.Young
    CF: Lagares
    LF: Granderson

    Bench:
    Recker, c
    Satin, 1b/3b
    Tejada, ss/2b
    Young jr, of-2b
    either Brown (or Nieuwenhuis), of

    Plus very nice depth at AAA with Montero, DeGrom, Mazzoni, Walters, Leathersich on the mound, plus Flores, Tovar. Centeno, Lutz, Puello and Den Dekker as bats..

  • Captain America

    Happy New Years doc. Still holding out hope for Morales for 1B and either Dice k or harang.

  • RS

    How is drew a top 10 ss? He is more like top 15-20, even after an up year from him. ( 17th steamer rank for war in 2014)

  • Bail4Nails

    There’s no way Flores can play his way into the lineup/1B from Spring Training? Also, I’d like to see Den Dekker make the club.

  • DrDooby

    Over the past five seasons, he ranked 4th (.777 /2013), 3rd (.810/2010) and 8th (.748/2009) in terms of OPS for SS with 450+ PA when he wasn’t missing half the season with a singular major injury (2nd half of 2011 and 1st half of 2012).

    In terms of WAR he has ranked 10th (2013, 3.1), 5th (2010, 3.7) and 12th (2009, 2.7). He would have ranked in Top 10 too in 2011, had he not missed half the season and duplicated those numbers.

    Overall, Drew has been pretty consistent other than the injury marred 2012 season. He’s a good but certainly not elite SS who is in a group with half a dozen or so other SS beyond the top SS Tulo, Reyes, H.Ramirez, Andrus – and most recently – Segura & Simmons,

  • DrDooby

    Somewhat torn about Morales. While he’s probably a safer bet than the Mets’ in house options (Duda or ike platooning with Satin and / or eventually Flores with Murphy as a fallback option), I’m not sure he’s that much better.

    Drew would be a much better fit, considering the only SS options right now are Ruben Tejada & patience & hope for prospects in a land that’s mostly far, far away…

  • Captain America

    Pencil in solid middle of the lineup production vs. who knows with our clown guys

  • RS

    Great post, but I still think there are at least 10 SS I would rather have than Drew:
    (in no particular order)
    1)Tulo
    2)Hanely
    3)Simmons
    4) Reyes
    5) Andrus
    6) Miller
    7)Desmond
    8)Cabrera
    9) Lowrie
    10) hardy
    11) bogaerts
    12) Segura
    Maybe: castro, peralta, crawford, asdrubal…

  • DrDooby

    With you on the front 7 and would put Bogaerts & Segura ahead of Drew too based on youth, cost-control and potential. So that´s the Top 9, though Miller´s sample size remains small and Bogaerts makes it more on prospect hype than actual performance.

    However, the group of Peralta, Hardy, Lowrie, Yunel Escobar, Everth Cabrera and Drew is very close and almost interchangeable. Hardy & Y. Escobar are better defenders but probably lesser bats. Peralta & Lowrie are slightly better hitters but lesser fielders. So, I guess we should be able to agree that Drew at least is an “above average” SS in the Top 9 to 15 range in the majors, depending on taste. And pretty close to borderline top 5 or 6 being a bit more conservative on unproven youngsters.

    Castro & A.Cabrera would rate well behind Drew for now. Worse defensively and not likely to come close or even outperform him offensively either. And while Crawford is a nice defender, he probably won´t ever top his 2013 season offensively – still way below Drew´s standard.

    Unfortunately, Ruben Tejada even in his 2012 or 2011 form comes in well behind all of these, plus other “good glove” “modest hit” SS like Gregorius, Alcides Escobar or Alexei Ramirez. So, even Tejada at his best is not a Top 20 in the majors SS. And at worst should not be in the majors at all.

  • RS

    I appreciate the detailed response, and I have to agree with you. I think Drew seems to be a good option. Definite improvement over what we have, albeit not an elite or even great ss. There are some interesting options hitting FA next year, but draft pick compensation as well as likely high asking prices may make those option unreasonable for the Mets.
    It would be nice if the mets can pick Drew up on a reasonably priced 2-year deal. The Mets still have a lot of question mark positions going into next season; it would be nice to eliminate one.