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2013
Oswalt’s Agent Denies Any Interest From Mets, Alderson Still Looking For Arms
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Newsday’s Marc Carig reports that Roy Oswalt‘s agent is not aware of any interest from the Mets in his client:
If the Mets indeed are interested in signing veteran pitcher Roy Oswalt, it’s news to his longtime agent, Bob Garber.
“Not sure where the report came from,” Garber said in a text message. “I’m not aware of any interest from the Mets.”
I have a suspicious feeling that most Met fans will be relieved to hear this.
Last season when the Rangers decided to move him out of the starting rotation and into the bullpen because of his ineffectiveness, Oswalt became a distraction, publicly griped to reporters, and was a negative influence in the clubhouse. Something that would not have played too well in New York.
However, the Mets are still reportedly looking for another arm or two for their bullpen writes Dan Martin of the New York Post.
There seems to be a growing concern that Frank Francisco may not be ready for spring training and even less confidence that he could be the team’s closer all season long despite the fact he is due $6.5 million in 2013.
Also, unlike last season when the team opted to go with just one lefty in the bullpen, they have already signed four lefthanded relievers to minor league deals in Tim Byrdak, Aaron Laffey, Pedro Feliciano, and Scott Rice.
Original Post 2:20 PM
The Mets have shown interest in free-agent right-hander Roy Oswalt, and the door has not fully closed even with the addition of Shaun Marcum to round out the projected rotation, a baseball source told ESPN New York.
Oswalt, 35, went 4-3 with a 5.80 ERA in 17 appearances (nine starts) in 2012 with the Texas Rangers. He made his season debut June 22 — less than four weeks after signing with the club on a minor league deal.
Oswalt worked entirely in relief last September. He made only 23 starts in 2011 because of lower-back inflammation.
With Marcum already on board and slated for the rotation, obviously they are viewing Oswalt strictly as a bullpen option.
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More trade bait. Sure!
BP option?
Wonder at what price?
Why? He appears to be as big a pain in the butt as Pavano. There’s a good reason why the Phillies and Rangers aren’t even considering him. He’s not just difficult to deal with, he’s also DONE.
if he was not a “big name”, no way he would be looking at anything more than a MiL ST invite at this point. For that, might as well.
Done? Did you see what he did out of the pen last season?
I don’t know if it’s because of something I read or heard but I for some reason felt that Oswalt wanted no part of NY. Though he does fit the reliever/starter type that some had discussed earlier but that is if indeed he would consider pitching in relief as opposed to starting. Looking at B-R it looks like in a small sample size he made 8 appearances out of the pen last year and except for one where he got clobbered by Boston he did well in the rest.
So, he is willing to sign on as a reliever? He only made 8 relief appearances in Texas last year. That’s too small a sample size to say whether he could be an effective reliever for an extended period of time. And he’s a whiner. Not sure you want someone like that in the clubhouse.
Tell me exactly how he is a whiner? Because he said that he preferred to be a starter but was still open to play where Texas wanted to play him on the pitching staff? Are you referring to that? Can’t say that I blame him for feeling that way after being successful for as long as he has as a starter.
Wasn’t it with him where he refused to go out or something?
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/roy-oswalt-texas-rangers-bullpen-ron-washington-unhappy-situation-focus-on-big-problems-080612
Thanks for the link. That’s horrendous behavior for a veteran with Oswalt’s track record. What kind of role model is that for the younger kids in the Mets clubhouse? The Mets are trying to build something here. And it ain’t a nursery school.
Uh…I don’t remember that.
Maybe it’s just as well I’m reading:
Roy Oswalt’s agent, Bob Garber: “I’m not aware of any interest” from the Mets.
closer?
Better than Francisco, right?
What? Why?
What this tells me, is that in order to get the outfielders they want, they need to trade another established ML starter. That could only be Gee or Niese. Santana must prove he’s healthy first IMO.
Perhaps they’re going to sign another cheap rotation pitcher in order to have the depth to trade away Gee or Niese in another blockbuster.
Would have to be Niese. Gee still has health Qs to answer.
I’d be down for that. But would rather trade Gee and keep the lefty.
i agree. Trading Niese weakens the rotations and strips us of our sole reliable lefty. i like Niese a lot. Kid’s just peaking.
Baseball has a way of bringing out the humility in even its greatest heroes.
I recall when Oswalt was a hot commodity that he wanted no part of the New York baseball scene – I don’t think the Mets were on his trade list of permissible teams. Something like that.
Anyway, at this point in his career, he might conclude that there’s a place for him on this club, where not too much will be expected of him and he gets to join a staff that has at least two other veteran pros (Santana & Marcum) who may need a breather from time to time. Otherwise, he can amp it up one inning at a time in a bullpen that houses 90mph+ hurlers. He could teach them a thing or two.
Not opposed to bringing Oswalt aboard. We could use someone ornery in the tool shed.
Injuries have a way of making “superstars” very humble….if his back wasnt an issue Im sure he’d still be a stud
I meant …
This from Carig.
@MarcCarig
Roy Oswalt’s agent, Bob Garber: “I’m not aware of any interest” from the Mets.
https://twitter.com/MarcCarig/status/295266707088502785
If he’s cheap, why not?
Hes probably most “risky” because of his attitude, not $$ or how where we can find him a spot to pitch. Im not sure we should tinker with the chemistry this team has be throwing a “bad apple” into the stew…..remember Bobby Bonilla?
chemistry ?
lmao
u are the type of fan the wilpons have in mind when they sign a scrappy gutsy gritty undersized player who overachieves and hits .240
lmao
No thanks. Spend the remaining hot stove time and money finding a closer and CF/leadoff hitter.
Unloess, of course, they are stickpiling some SP depth in order to trade for Stanton…
If you ask me just more Rumor for the Consumer….
Again, people rushing out to buy tickets because the are interested in Oswalt? Evidently I give Mets fans too much credit if they are hinging season tickets on Bourn and Oswalt.
And again it is targetd at hose who would REEW to maintain attenance at 2012 levels which thier projections probably already show is not going to happen after they traded away their best drawing Pitcher/Player!
These rumors and the Wright signing are all done for the same reasons….
Trying to maintain the Attendance, Keep it static so the cuts they make are not offset by a corresponding lack of attendance!
No one is going to buy NEW seats until they are signed which is not going to happen….
But the folks who are on the fence about renewing thier seats and face a deadline to pay or they will lose them might decide well they are trying and may get Player X, Y and Z so I should send in the check and hope they get them cause then the seats will be worth having.
I would cancel my season plan if the Mets signed Oswalt. It would surely be a sign they are on the WRONG track.
Hi Metro,
Wow, you really a season ticket holder? If so, that is one luxury that is out of the hands for the most of us here.
I’m going to play arm-chair psychologist with that so please don’t take this in the wrong manner….. but could that be influencing your perception about the way the organization is being run, having such a heavy, personal financial investment in it yourself?
As a season ticket holder, you receive preferential treatment and perks that indeed are awesome (we experienced it ourselves when given tickets for the 2011 home opener in the Champions Club) but in turn do not experience the exclusionary treatment that has slighted so many of us as expressed on MMO.
So just a thought to consider – uou could just be too close to the situation to see it in the light so many others do. I’m sure you were also only making a joke about Oswalt.
LOL, Joey, it’s just the opposite. I am as careful a consumer as you’ll find, never wanting to waste a single penny if I can avoid it. Watching the Mets losing is painful. But watching them lose with old, broken down veterans — the type Omar was so fond of getting — is like pure torture. Those are the games I have ZERO interest in watching and am loathe to spend a single cent on. Now Oswalt is one player, but what adds insult to injury is that he is an old, whiny prima donna cracker on top of being DONE. There is no obvious upside to putting him on a young Mets team where he could infect others with his prickly personality. Doing so would be an indication to me that Sandy’s plan is bad or veering off course. Right now, I think Sandy has a good plan and is implementing it the right way. No need to take a detour with an AARP player like Oswalt.
I just laugh at those who think floating a rumor of interest in Oswalt would help sell tickets. Mets fans want to see PROGRESS, not a broken down old hag of a man like him.
That’s just plain conspiracy bull rap OR I have misjudged the intelligence of Mets fans.
Hey honey are we going to renew our tickets?
I don’t think so, they haven’t done anything this off-season.
You are right, nothing for us…
…Espn Sound in background, husband checks phone…
Holy crap honey, they are interested in Roy friggin Oswalt, get that form back in ASAP before the firestorm starts.
No…SANDY misjudged it….
Because some folks around here not only bought it when he did the same thing to Reyes, they came onto Blogs and tried to sell it to the Met Fanbase!
Oh ok that makes sense. Conspiracy theories, yeahhhh.
Congrats….Your just the kind of guy these Rumors are targeting….Now if only you had money to pay to see what you think is being run right….
You choose to believe we have a chance at Bourn?
Is that because you believe Sandy really wants him or because you prefer to believe he wants him…
To which I say if he really was serious about him he would have signing him by now!
‘To which I say if he really was serious about him he would have signing him by now!’
I don’t know if they’re serious or not but I can’t agree with this statement.
Wren said they had been trying to work out a trade for Upton since Nov. It just took 3 months to get it done.
Mets might have some interest in Bourn. But I think two things have to happen before we’re seeing him in a Mets uniform. The Mets have to have a ruling giving them their first round pick if they sign him and it’s got to be a reasonable deal in years and money. Both which seem unlikely to me. I wouldn’t completely rule it out but I’m not holding my breath.
But Srt it took 3 months because of the number of teams and the high value Arizona wanted….
If the Pick wasn’t an issue it’s obvious they have a price they like on Bourn.
So they would make the deal make sure no one else bids them up and then they have till june to fight the pick protection…No one is actually GETTING that pick it just goes away and Atl gets a sandwich pick…
I don’t think they really want him at all…
Just like we heard today they were interested in getting Oswalt which was NEWS to Oswalt’s agent….
It’s just a game they are playing to keep fans off thier back and the pick issue is just a delaying tactic hoping someone signs him while they await the MLBs decision….
And if the MLB says your pick is safe I bet it takes all of a week before we hear they couldn’t agree on the number with Bourn.
It’s all just bull….Meant for our ears it’s not serious at all.
I have a hard time believing the Mets are all that serious about Bourn as well. Sure…if they can get him at their years and $$ they do it. But if Bourn was that much of a bargain he would have been signed by now. Have to think Boras is holding out for what he thinks his client is worth.
I was a little surprised to read that Marcum had offers from the Mariners and Rangers but decided on the Mets offer. I can’t believe we were the highest bidder for him but I suppose anything is possible.
Well when you look at the events attached….
Either they have a price they like already and it’s a price they like but only if they keep the pick. (what kind of discount would they expect if they did lose the pick?) So they petition to keep it.
Or they really have no interest at all but are doing Boras a favor for some reason by making people believe they are interested and are using the pick petition as proof of the interest…
He is the only guy out there left who would cost us a pick so the petition is all about him….
I believe the latter…It’s like Saddam Hussein doing everything he could to convince people he had and was hiding WMD….Cause he wanted people to believe he did when he didn’t.
I believe they are petitioning the league about the pick to convince folks they are interested in a player they really aren’t interested in…
And the only people who would care are Other teams dealing with Boras and the Fans…
I doubt they would do anything to help Boras so I say it is a ruse for the Fans.
Actually I don’t care on Bourn one wy or the other and think the chances of the Mets getting him are slight. I just don’t buy that they are faking interest to sell tickets.
Yeah we Know you never go one way or the other….
You prefer a fence in your butt at all times…
If you don’t see the wool Sandy is trying to pull over your eyes you got bigger issues than just commitment issues.
You mean I don’t think baseball is black or white and the truth is always in the gray? You are right, how damning of me.
i dont think sandy cares enough to do that…( he’s just running out the clock on his time here )
i do think reporters are faking interest to sell papers…
The mets do this all the time though…
In 2011, they announced their renewal packages on nov 7th…( conveniently, before they made the decision on reyes )
http://metsblog.com/news/darren-rovell-mets-are-desperate-for-season-ticket-sales/
In 2009, they waited til almost early December to announce their season renewals…here was their letter…
Monday, November 30, 2009
Renew Your Tickets
Dear Mets 15-Game Ticket Plan Holder:
Many thanks for your continued support of the Mets. We greatly appreciate your loyalty.With the RETURN of our KEY players and the necessary CHANGES we WILL make to our roster, we believe we will field a CHAMPIONSHIP-caliber team in 2010. As Ownership recently said, we demand and expect better, and you deserve better.
Click below to access your 2010 Ticket Plan invoice. (Please click below, so I don’t have to keep talking, because I’m running out of things to say.)
RENEW NOW »
We have reduced prices for Ticket Plans and your invoice for the upcoming season is less than it was in 2009.
To retain your seat location, payment is due by Friday, December 18, 2009. You can submit full payment online at Mets.com by MasterCard, Visa, Discover or American Express.
This season, we are offering a convenient, payment plan alternative, if you pay by credit card online at Mets.com. by December 18 and your same credit card will automatically be charged the balance of your payment on February 1, 2010.
Accounts that have not made any payment as described will be cancelled after December 18.
RENEW NOW »
If you have any questions, please call our Ticket Services staff at (718) 507-TIXX for assistance.
On behalf of everyone at the Mets, thank you for being a Plan Holder and best wishes for a Happy Holiday season. We hope you continue to make our new home your home, and we look forward to welcoming you back to Citi Field for our comeback in 2010.
RENEW NOW »
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“New York already has seen a benefit to its first big move of the offseason. Mets executive vice president David Howard said the team has had a spike in interest for season tickets since reports of the deal surfaced last week.”
If the Mets only signed one out of every twenty players they reported as having interest in over the past few seasons, we would be odds-on favorites to be playing post-season baseball in October.
Wake me up when they start having real talks with the agent.
At the right price go for it. The guy’s been around and this team needs some veterans who’ve experienced winning and had success doing so. Not to mention his talent.
Whose spot is he taking? He’s not coming to be long reliever .
Dillon Gee can be the long reliever !
Someone seriously must be getting a real kick out of feeding Adam Rubin false stories. That or the Mets just like leaking stories to show us how hard they are working. Then people come out and deny the Mets are really working on anything.
Ah the New York Mets, the con continues.
Hi Hank and Metsie,
And it is way more than just lies and a con game. It is the fans themselves who don’t see things in the big picture.
For example, I’m part of a group that exchanges emails about the Mets all the time. I get into the same debate with two of them who see credibility in everything Sandy does.
One of them wrote and argued I was so wrong about Sandy not wanting to spend money. What she said was:
“You keep saying all they care about is pinching pennies, even though John Buck and Shaun Marcum combined are going to be making twice what Dickey is this year, and that’s before incentives (which could double the cost of Marcum’s deal).”
Well, I asked her why she did not look further into who he no longer has to pay and who he does and pointed out:
No longer paying: Carasco, $1.2 million, Cedeno, $1.2 million, Dickey, $4.25 million, Hairston, $1.1 million, Pelfrey, $5.675 million, Rauch, $3.5 million. That adds up to close to $17 million. Add to that the $1 million less he has to pay Bay due to Seattle signing him (not even taking into account more money saved by deferring some of Jason’s salary). Now that comes up to just about $18 million.
Now paying: Buck, $6.5 million, Marcum, $4 million and Cogwel and Hicks under a million combined. That is $11.5 million.
Since nobody is going to miss Pelfrey and Carasco I suggested putting those aside, we wound up releasing four players in Cedeno, Dickey, Hairston and Rauch and added four in Buck, Cogwil, Hicks and Marcum and saved $6.5 million.
This is what you, I and others have been trying to stress – that there is a failure to dig deeper into facts and that in many cases, effort is being made to sidestep the issue altogether. I had to point out to my friend that they are actually spending $6.5 million LESS on players because all she did was look at Dickey and no one else. Even if Marcum earned every one of the incentives in his contract, I pointed out that is still $2.5 million less spent. So using R.A. as the basis of her contention was not doing her homework.
No need to put d’Arnaud and others into the conversation other than their salaries are MLB minimum at this moment,
Joe D.,
a couple of questions:
# 1 Why would any sane person buy a single extra ticket to a Mets game because the Mets are pondering signing a washed up former star pitcher like Roy Oswalt ? Sure, he may be worth a flyer – but anyone who paid attention over the past couple of years would also see the – literally – big fork in Oswalt´s back.
# 2 Leaving deferred payments aside – they may not impact the immediate cash flow in 2013 – the supposed savings you mentioned are easily eaten up by the additional payments to Santana & Bay, let alone raises for Niese, Ike, Parnell and Murphy that´ll easily be higher than what David Wright was willing to reduce. While the official 2013 payroll probably is right around 100 million $ including Marcum now – the actual “cash” payout figures to be about 80 million $ for now, leaving out deferred payments for present day players and adding deferred payments for past players.
In their current position, especially in a division with two apparent powerhouse teams, the Mets – for now – either have to target shortterm bargains or impact pieces that´ll potentially help longterm. That pretty much eliminates any Cody Ross or Brandon League type mid-level veteran fill-ins that only short-term oriented teams can justify adding at market value. Michael Bourn only makes sense if the contract is significantly below perceived market value – with the amount also depending on whether the 1st round pick is protected or not.
Right now, the 2014 payroll – including arbitration figures and guaranteed raises for Wright & Niese – figures to be in the 50 million $ range. The actual payout figures to be at about 60 million with Bay & other deferred payments due in 2014 included. That should put the Mets back into the “steak section” for good again – while having advanced the deep crop of promising young A-ball arms a season further should lead to significantly more valuable trade bait.
One of the issues with trade bait right now is that the Mets don´t have much of that available at the upper levels (and actually need the few pieces they have themselves). Beyond Wheeler, D´Arnaud and to a much lesser degree Flores, Familia, Mejia, Mazzoni, McHugh, Gorski, Lagares and Tovar, there really is no trade target of interest at the Triple A or Double A levels. And none of the latter group would qualify as the “frontline” piece in a significant trade at this point – but more as a complementary 2nd piece.
You miss the point (as TRS did) when you talk about EXTRA tickets…
This is all about getting people to renew the tickets they had last year and who face a Feb Deadline for doing so…
Those who say they aren’t going to be any good because they won’t go get someone to improve and therefore I may not renew….
Hearing they might get Bourn or Oswalt might get a few of those people to say ok I’ll give them another year and renew…
It’s not about selling MORE tickets it’s all about trying to keep all the suckers they had who paid last year and have to decide very soon if they are going to renew or give up the seats.
Metsie,
I also doubt that potentially signing washed up Roy Oswalt or even Michael Bourn who would be a pretty good fit – depending on the price – would lead any current season-ticket holders to re-consider their decision.
Except for Josh Hamilton & Zach Greinke who could have been factors or, say, re-acquiring Jose Reyes, I don´t think any additional excitements or ticket sales (be it new customers or old ones) will be generated by such signings, let alone discussion of such signings.
Bingo, which is where Metsie is missing the point.
I am willing to bet neither you or TRS have ever had Season Tickets and had them for a number of years.
If you had you would be familiar with the situation where it took you 3-5 years of upgrades to get the seats you like the best (Longer Tenure gets you first crack at better seats when they come available).
And once having gone through that entire proccess of finally getting the seats you wanted, the desire to keep those seats is very strong and usually enough to make you renew just based on that. But those who are mulling to do it this year or wait till next year are the targets of these rumors!
It’s those people they are hoping to sway….You may not see how Bourn will inspire some to stick it out….
Well maybe he won’t…But more will be willing to renew WITH him than will without him!
And if you think differently then you must think the team is even worse than you guys have let on in posts around here…
Hi DrD, Esquire
I replied to my friend in very simple terms just to show how superficial her reasoning was when claiming Sandy spending more than double the amount of R.A.’s salary for two players showed he was not (in her own words) penny pinching. It would have been too much to get into more detailed explanation like you did because my two friends of that group who disagree with me simply sidestep the more complex fiscal issues facing the organization and claim this would be the right path to follow regardless of the financial circumstances. That or they reply with “how do you know he didn’t do this or this instead?”. Meaning, they do not use credible counterpoints but adolescent retorts.
The estimated payrolls from baseball reference that I use as a premise (knowing, of course, that they are very rough figures) included projected salary increases based on trends, etc. and also gives two scenarios for projected payroll, based on whether the team picks up all options or not. So 2013 accounts for a rough estimate including the raises, options, etc. And that is why the payroll estimates skyrocket back up in 2016. So it’s only a short-term windfall for I do not believe myself the Mets will be in a better fiscal position in 2016 then they are now based on the loans having to then be paid back and the business model put in place by Sandy which is based on an extremely downsized economic budget which I believe does not allow for intense investment in both the parent club and the minor league development. And note that is when players like Davis, Tejada, Parnell, Murphy, Gee and even Niese become eligible for free agency.
Can we afford to then keep them? Right now it looks doubtful but then, perhaps in his long-term business model Sandy has accounted for these expenses at the financial sacrifice of the few years preceding them. But that is why I mention we must look at Sandy’s track record, business philosophy and actions and therefore my doubt. He is one who relies on reducing expenditures more than investing and waiting for returns.
Another friend, who is a die-hard Sandy supporter, made a point that teams who are re-building first create a nucleus of young talent BEFORE they then supplement them with free agents. I cited teams like San Francisco, Cincinnati and even the 1991 Braves and showed how those teams were created with a combination of home grown talent, free agent signings and trades while the teams were below .500 for a few years and the kids had potential but had not yet proved their worth – just like the position the Mets are in now.
I asked him why the wait now? We have our infield, we have our starting rotation, we even believe we have our catching problem hopefully resolved. So why not now focus on the bullpen and outfield? I brought up the names of many young and good outfielders and relievers available on the free agent market that could have filled the holes with long term contracts as you say. But I also think they could help themselves acquiring those like the ones you mention who could be signed for just two years and serve as productive “stop gaps” until the outfield or other pitching prospects are ready – or better players are available on the free agent market.
That way we can try to field a “competitive” team that would not put a monkey wrench into the rebuilding plan or cause us to be stuck with aging players committed to long term contracts at this time.
No reply other than it’s not a case of money but part of Sandy’s well thought out planning using their thought process described above.
It’s just a matter of one coming back with valid counterpoints based on solid evidence to show there is a different side of the fence instead of countering with theoretical hypothesis. Would we not be in a good position if we tried keeping the players we got rid of and fielded a team that resembled something like this (even with same caliber-type players with different names?):
Outfield: Hairston/Duda, Pagan, Beltran
Infield: Wright, Tejada, Murphy Davis
Catcher: d’Arnaud (called up)
Starters: Neise, Gee, Marcum, Harvey, Wheeler (called up – and (notice I did not even mention Santana?)
Bullpen: KRod (if not retained in 2011, then signed now) Parnell, Rauch, Francisco (as middle relief where he is more comfortable in, and one from the trio of McHugh, Familia or Mejia capable of maintaining a spot as well.
Bench: Turner, Hairston/Duda, Buck, Baxter, Kirk, Valdespin, Cogwil, Hicks
Financially, Pagan and Wright would have been the only long-term commitments, with Beltran at the end of his two year contract.
Is that in itself not the potential of a very good club on paper capable of making a push for the playoffs and presenting a team with a nucleus capable of being competitive for many years to come?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2012-roster.shtml
The projected approximate $25 million savings from baseball reference that I refer to is for 2014 and 2015 and 2014 includes the buyout for Santana because the terms of Bay’s buyout
the fans who believe Sandy is doing great work are the ones who mostly know the team is worse and want to feel better….
Same folks who see a relative in a hospital bed and take for granted the guy in the white jacket must be good and I TRUST him because I don’t know better and I feel better thinking everything is ok…
They like what they see because they don’t want to face what they KNOW is true…
This team has been made worse than it was and shows no sign of competition anytime soon.
They base the hope on events that they can’t predict and if they don’t come true find anther excuse and then kick the OPTIMISM can down another year further…
You can’t convince them because they already know and are shielding themselves from the truth they already know….
It’s therapy not observation….
And the LIES they just keepa comin!