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2013
From Left Field: Should Mets Mortgage Farm For Giancarlo Stanton?
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MLB.com’s Marty Noble wrote a piece that the Mets should try to make a push to acquire Miami Marlins budding superstar slugger Giancarlo Stanton.
Stanton is just 23 years old and has shown mammoth power in just three professional seasons.
But hold on, the Marlins have already traded the rest of their star players. Why would the team part ways with its only young power bat?
Well, Stanton is a hot commodity right now, and the Marlins are in a position in which they certainly won’t be competitive (at least on paper) for the next few seasons.
So from the Marlins’ standpoint, building around the young slugger will make for a competitive team when Stanton enters his prime.
If he were to be traded, however, the Marlins would demand a package of a number of stellar prospects as well as cash. But as of now, we can only gauge on how many prospects or how much money it would take to get a deal done.
Obviously, all 30 teams would salivate at the chance to acquire Stanton at the right price, since he’d first be eligible for salary arbitration after the 2013 season.
From the Mets point of view, if a deal can somehow be worked out, I’d say do it.
Not too often does a young power hitter become available before he’s eligible for free agency. Of course though, it would take a hefty package to acquire Stanton.
The Mets have a surplus (albeit small) of young pitching prospects including Zack Wheeler, Jenrry Mejia, Jeurys Familia, Collin McHugh or the newly-acquired Noah Syndergaard. Matt Harvey can even be thrown in that mix as a young pitcher in the organization.
Naturally, if the Marlins ask for three or more of these prospects, the Mets should shy away. But for two – maybe one of Wheeler or Harvey and one of Mejia, Familia, McHugh or Syndergaard – and cash (though the Mets don’t have much), a deal would make sense at least for the Mets.
Likely it would take at least three of these pitching prospects and maybe a few offensive prospects to get a deal done. If the Marlins’ demands are through the roof, maybe it’s best to stay away.
If Stanton does become available, we know the Evil Empire would be involved. Stanton could easily hit 50 home runs playing in Yankee Stadium.
But based on the power he’s shown, even the cavernous Citi Field would be no match for Stanton.
At this point, it’s just wishful thinking. But who knows? The Mets and Marlins have made deals in the past, so can they agree on one more?
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Jim Mancari hails from Massapequa, N.Y. He recently earned a Master's degree in Journalism at Hofstra University. He is a devout Mets fan and takes pride in his team, despite their lack of success over the last few years. Like all Mets fans, Jim has plenty of hope. He also writes as the sports reporter for the Brooklyn Tablet newspaper and the senior editor of metroBASEBALL Magazine. Click my name to view my personal website.
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Big long shot – but we’d probably have to give up our top 3 prospects, to start with. Not to mention would Loria even trade Stanton within his own division?
I have to believe that if Stanton is going to be traded, there are probably better packages that can be put together from the Rangers (among other clubs) than the Mets.
I can’t imagine the Yankees having the prospects to get it done. I don’t know a whole lot about their minor league system but I thought their best prospects right now are still in the lower minors.
Realistically, no, it doesn’t make sense.
A likely asking price would be
1. Wheeler or Harvey +
2. Syndergaard or Tapia or Fulmer +
3. Flores or Mejia +
4. Nimmo or Nieuwenhuis
Given where the Mets are right now, that’s probably a price they can’t and shouldn’t afford paying.
Replace Tapia with Montero and I’d do Wheeler, Montero, Nimmo and a top 20 prospect (Vaughn). You seriously wouldnt do it? Only Syndergaard, Flores, Fulmer, Tapia, and Mateo should be off limits. You dont screw around with a man of Stanton’s caliber.
I agree with Dr. D, giiven our current stage of development, i would not give up the farm even for Stanton. I’d rather try to pry 2 OFs from AZ. An Eaton and A. Marte for Mejia, Flores, Havens, Plaweckie.
If there’s such a worry for the sake of our “current stage of development” so much, even for Stanton (which I find incredible to believe), why not take a page of what happened in the Dickey trade by trading for more top guys outside of simply getting your man (Stanton)? The issue the Mets have right now in their farm are reliable OFs, no? Ask for the likes of OF Christian Yelich as well as either C Austin Barnes or SP Adam Conley.
Who would you trade to get Yellich, Conley, Barnes? These guys are a couple years away from MLB. Eaton & Marte are closer.
Those guys are all dirt cheap, and are years away from costing anything, they are not going anywhere. If Stanton s traded it will be help the Marlins become a top five system in all of baseball. They will be adding to these guys you named, not taking away from them.
AZ has a plethora of OFs @ MB level + a few good looking prospects, with Eaton looking like the one that’s closest to the bigs & basically ready now; Marte had a good year in AA last year.
Instead of mortgaging the System for 1 stud, why not trade for 2 young guys with good potential, close to MLB-ready?
I like your argument. I just don’t know who we have to trade to AZ that would land young and controllable talent with upside.
i proposed Mejia, Flores, Havens, Plaweckie for Eaton & Marte. But that may not do it. AZ might want Tapia or Montero included instead of Havens, whose stock is down.
That deal might work. I don’t know how high they are on Marte. But that is an awful lot to give up by the Mets. Flores is our best hitting prospect not named d’Arnaud, everyone else seems light years away. And Mejia is our present 5th starter. Havens has no value unless Arizona knows something no one else does. And Plaws was still just in BK. So yeah, I can see some sort of deal working, but I think AZ is keeping the young kids and moving Upton.
Actually, Yelich is about less than a year away, perhaps a September call-up. I can’t see why you couldn’t make two separate deals to serve a purpose in filling a need of OF depth.
As far as Conley goes? True, but I’m not concerned with the depth of guys that would be in front of him. If something involving Stanton, Yelich, and Conley comes together, more than likely, it would end up being a 8-man swap in which the Mets give up 3 top 10 prospects (Wheeler, Nimmo, Montero) and guys like Duda & Murph to fill Miami’s needs at 1st and 3rd respectively.
Guys lets be real. Yelich is higher rated thn every prospect we have other than D’arnaud and he is controllable for 7 odd years. You’re not getting him. For Stanton it will cost Wheeler, Ike Davis and Noah s’grd . Keep dreaming.
“it will cost Wheeler, Ike Davis…”
Yeah, that’s what many said what will cost the Mets d’Arnaud in the first place and yet they’re both still here.
Are you seriously comparing d’Arnaud and Stanton????
As far as what it would actually cost…..i honestly dont beleive the Mets have the talent level required. It’s simply not enough.
Davis would not be desirable to the Marlins as he is close to arbitration. Fish would want cheap, close to major league ready prospects. Think D’arnaud, Wheeler, and then insert prospect or 2.
Do you need your eyes checked, Flowbee?
Gregg already said it for me: Miami wants cheap players for their farm. d’Arnaud is not and will not be an option. Why would you consider that especially in the fact that catching was one of our big issues?
Yellich is highly ranked but he was in High A last year. Can’t see him leaping 3 levels in 1 year. Maybe i’m wrong. Dunno.
I like your idea IF we could get back some chips along with Stanton, but i bet any deal would have to include Harvey or Wheeler +Fulmer + Syndergaard + Nimmo + Flores +??? for Stanton & Yellich +???
Yelich is one of those guys I believe will have such a showing in AA this year that he can be considered a call-up option from AA, quite like how scouts saw Zack Wheeler this past season.
If not Conley, I’d at least like to squeeze a pitcher from their system. However, outside of Fernandez and the new kid Heaney, there’s nothing to really look at.
I would mortgage the farm for Stanton if it doesnt include Wheeler, Harvey or D’Arnaud… I dont think its possible to acquire him without Wheeler or Harvey but Im not trading them. Give them everything else in the farm…
Why would D’arnaud be a deal breaker? He’s unproven and has missed almost two seasons with injuries in last 4 years. Would you have traded Dickey for Stanton?
I agree. That power is probably the best in the league. Not to mention he rounds out the lineup perfectly….
I would even trade a guy like gee and Duda to get it done
For the right package, absolutely you do it.
But honestly, I dont think the Mets have enough to pry him loose.
Have any of you seen Snatch? There’s a scene where Turkish and Tommy lose Gorgeous George. They have to tell Brick Top and he says “He’s gonna wanna grease me down and aim for penetration.” That’s the Marlins to the Mets for Giancarlo. They will ask for min and I mean min Wheeler, Niese, Harvey, D’Arnaud, and Nimmo. That’s minimum. You don’t trade on of the the best young hitters in the game in the same division and ask for anything less than their top 4 prospects. So you can all get those illusions of grandeur out of your head. Will not ever happen.
I’m with MetsHype. Wheeler, Harvey and D’arnaud are off the table. I’d try and package the following.
Duda
Flores
Syndergaard
Mejia and one other of their choice who’s not Wheeler, Harvey or D’arnaud.
This would be a pretty good package givening their decimaed team a potential 1B in Duda and 3B in Flores, a very high upside pitching prospect in Syndergaard and some highupside throw ins.
The Mets’ lineup would look like this in 2013
1 – Nieuwenhuis CF
2 – Tejada SS
3 – Wright 3B
4 – Davis 1B
5 – Stanton RF
6 – Murph 2B
7 – D’Arnaud C (Buck starts first 6 weeks)
8 – Baxter/Hairston platoon (6-7 can be moved around depending on the pitcher)
Wheeler would be held back intitally and expect Santana to be traded midseason but I’d suspect the end of the year rotation to be
Harvey, Niese, Wheeler, Gee and whoever they sign for the back of the roation, hopefully Marcum.
The bullpen is a big experiment to see how many of the young arms stick this year.
Going into the next year the team can entertain signing one more corner outfielder pushing baxter and hariston to the bench to help build the best bench you can, sign 1 more good starting pitcher, doesn’t have to be an ace, hopefully a solid number 3 and adress what you need to with the bullpen, keep your draft picks and keep the FA signing resonable. You already have your front 3 in the rotation and 3 middle of the order bats for years to come. Immdesiatley start rebuilding the farm.
Agree with your offer, doubt very much the Marlins would.
Replace Syndergaard with Wheeler, Flores with Murphy, and add Montero. Voila.
No. It doesn’t make sense to give up what we’ve acquired and drafted in recent years for one bat, albeit an insanely good bat.
If prospects is all it requires I’d give them what they want. Stanton would instantly become the best Mets position player of all time. Step aside, David.
Ike might have that title next year anyway.
I would do it because fans would come to see Stanton which would generate more revenue for the team to acquire the right kind of talent over the next few years. I still believe they would net good young pitching and Stanton if they worked out the right trade.
Um, you mean the farm that the Mets just thickened up by trading their Cy Young Award winning best pitcher?
Pass.
Yeah, who needs a 22 year old with an MLB .970 OPS and 35+ home run power on this team. We have all those great 25 year old stud prospects in AAA we need to hang onto.
I doubt we would have all the bargining chips to compete with other clubs for Stanton, but if Loria somehow wanted to have Wheeler or Harvey as the main components why not? A young everyday player for a starting pitcher? Unfortunately, it’s not Zack or Matt that would be the problem – it’s those other components.
And knowing Loria, one of those components would have to be money. So ferget it, even if in dreams.
Why stop at Stanton? What would it take to pry Verlander from Detroit? Yeesh.
I agree with the Harvey, Wheeler and D’Arnaud being off limits. Other than that, go for it.
Stanton is a legit game changer.
as long as they have enough left after the trade to actually surround him with enough other talent to compete, would certainly be nice to have him!
most likely though the bidding would be fierce. Hard to imagine Texas not being all over him.
Unfortunately we’re saddled with a $140 million dollar third baseman whose best season was six years ago. But oh what a smile.
which has absolutely nothing to do with having prospects of any note left after making the trade.
you people with your unhealthy obsessions. Gets spooky.
yup…cuz we couldnt have traded the man with the million dollar smile for some prospects to then flip to Florida
that would’ve involved some creativity….a feature not used by Sandy Alderson since 1989
Yeah the Mets would have cleaned up on a 1 year rental player who’s best years, according to many, are behind him. Let me see, for him, the Mets might have gotten the top 3 or 4 prospects out of any farm system.
Come on man…get real. Without an extension Wright had little value and few teams have the capability to shell out $130M+ after some of the spending sprees.
Plus, Jeffy Wilpon was not about to allow Alderson to move his future Ambassador.
Impossible huh?
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080707&content_id=3084786&vkey=trade2008&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5890951
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3694100
“and few teams have the capability to shell out $130M+ after some of the spending sprees.”
according to franchise face, money was not the most important issue…winning was !!!
“Yeah the Mets would have cleaned up on a 1 year rental player who’s best years, according to many, are behind him”
ahahahahahahahaha….
Isn’t that what you thought we just did with Dickey who is 38?
You guys need to make a checklist to make sure when you open your Sandy Mouth you don’t contradict yourselves so often….
“as long as they have enough left after the trade to actually surround him with enough other talent to compete”
That’s the problem, though. The Marlins aren’t trading him to us for B level prospects. And we’re not deep enough to give away one of our top 5.
mortgage the farm? no. he is simply not that good.
The guy that led the league in SLG and ABs per HR, 4th in OPS, and 7th in HRs (would’ve been higher if he didn’t get hurt) is “not that good”?
Define good.
At 22 years old!!! lol
He’s younger than D’Arnaud by the way.
if stanton is not that good…david wright is absolutely horrible…
um I gotta disagree. I think I’d probably part with Wheeler/Flores/and then a few others for Stanton. He is a ridiculous talent. I just don’t think it’s gonna happen so I don’t really waste my time thinking about it
Throw in Jeff Wilpon and it’s a deal. I’d try to get it done. A young, right handed, real bonafide outfielder???? Trade one of wheeler or the kid we got from Toronto and the next 15 guys as far as I am concerned.
Why do we continue to overvalue prospects so much? I love prospects as much as the next guy, but the harsh reality is that the majority of them bust( even the top ones). So, I think it’s a no-brainier to give up top prospects for a young prolific super star talent like Stanton.
Not to mention that he will fill our biggest need because he’s a big time RH power bat that plays the OF. So, yes, you mortgage the farm for somebody like Stanton.
Breaking News!!! Mets sign OMAR QUINTINILLA to a minor league deal.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/59688/source-quintanilla-returning-to-mets
Who needs a bum like Stanton
maybe this year we can trade him again mid season for a couple more thousand dollars
Ah yes, Wilpon and Alderson are proud of all the so called modern fans who want nothing to do with the brightest power star in the game. Oh yes, the blitz has worked. The new age fan doesn’t care about winning or trying to win, only Fred’s wallet as if it were their own.
Thats because they have convinced themselves that they now have the brightest star of the game locked up for a good price !
Stanton is arbitration eligible 2014 and a FA 2017. He will have to be signed long term.
You would have to draw the line somewhere, but this type of bat comes along about only once per decade, and it has never come along to Flushing, so they would need to seriously consider 3 top prospects plus at least one other top 20. Just not Harvey and Wheeler, but I can’t see the Mets competing with other packages without including one of those plus Syndergaard, plus D’Arnaud. I would have to strongly consider Wheeler-Syndergaard-D’Arnaud- one of Montero,Mateo, Tapia. That would effectively be Dickey+Wheeler+Mateo/Tapia for Stanton. It still may not be enough. Tough call, but boy is that whooping stick tempting. And wouldn’t that change the vibe in Flushing.
the problem with getting a monster masher is that it would create a weird dynamic…
How is it that the best bat in the lineup and best player on the team is not the face of the franchise…
It would be awkward to see a team still revolve around DW when he is hitting .250 in the 2nd half ….again…
If we had traded Wright, we would have the prospects to not only get Stanton, but the money to lock him up for the foreseeable future. I know I know, that ship has sailed. But what hasn’t sailed is that we are still the 4th best team in the division for the foreseeable future. And goodness gracious after the Marlins complete robbing say Texas (Profar, Olt, Perez and possibly more), or Mariners (Walker, Hultzen, Franklin, Zunino) or Red Sox (Bogart, Barnes, Bradley and more)…we might become the 5th best team in the division for a long long time.
Hank I will merely paste what I said today in another post re: trading Wright for “major prospects”
- Another utter complete bogus argument made by people looking for a reason to get angry. Do you know that David Wright would sign a 7 year commitment with somebody other than the Mets rather than test the open market?
Of course you don’t. If you’re a 30 year old 3B which is a weak spot in MLB and your homegrown team doesn’t want you, but NYY,PHI,ATL,LAA,LAD all need a 3B why in the world wouldn’t you hit the open market? Seriously, give me 1 good reason why you would do that?
Plus you then have to show me that those teams could offer a significant prospect package – which you cannot do.
So this idea that they didn’t trade their biggest trade chip is a joke. They did trade their biggest trade chip and they got the #1 catching prospect and a solid pitching prospect for him.
Can you please explain how San Diego was able to trade Adrian Gonzalez to Boston, getting a major haul…WITHOUT the deal being contingent on an extension….
many 4-1 trades go down without an extension…
#tryagain
Yea, that’s a toughie. Oh wait, its not.
Gonzalez wanted to go to the Red Sox because they were a very strong contender whereas the Padres where not. And being here in Boston I can assure you that everyone on both sides of the deal knew that an extension was going to get done.
Not really that hard.
“Gonzalez wanted to go to the Red Sox because they were a very strong contender whereas the Padres where not.”
BOOM! You realize that the Mets are the PADRES in this equation??? LMAO….The Mets arent strong contenders…lol…And before you say it—Wright would NEVER say I want to play for another team while he is under contact with the Mets.
He will say anything to be viewed as a good guy…
Boom. And you know that the Padres got 3 prospects, none of whom had ever played above AA in exchange for Gonzalez. And none of them filled a need the Padres had, in fact it created a bigger whole by getting rid of one of the best 1st basemen in the game with no suitable replacement around.
If Alderson made a move like this you would be screaming for his head. What am I saying, you do that everyday no matter what happens.
If Alderson traded Wright for three top prospects, real Mets fans would rejoice everywhere. That is freed up money we can hope to be invested into the team. That is beefing up a middling minor league system. And that is a whole that can be filled by Flores, a kid we net in the Wright trade, or someone else we sign. Oh and since this is about Mike Stanton (originally), those three prospects and one or two more…could be used to….BOOM….trade for Mike Stanton. And that Wright money, could be used to lock up Stanton in his 20s…not his 30s, like David I’m about to decline more Wright. Love the guy, but I’d take Stanton over Wright any day.
Nah, I’m told here daily by real Mets fans that Alderson was an idiot for trading Dickey for 2 top prospects and a wildcard. No way in hell would these same people now be saying that he would have been a genius for trading Wright, an everyday All-Star 3rd baseman with at least 4-5 good years left.
And besides, the Padres did not get 3 top prospects for Gonzalez. They got 3 prospects who never played above AA.
Rizzo and Kelly both ranked inside BA’s top 50 prospects. Just because you haven’t played above AA doesn’t mean you aren’t a top prospect. By that logic, Wheeler wasn’t a top prospect until mid season last year, and by that logic, Syndergaard isn’t a top prospect either.
Your also being inconsistent too because you said the Mets got two top prospects back for Dickey, and yet only one prospect the Mets got back from Dickey played above AA.
Oh please, enough with the rankings crap. You guys use rankings when you want to and ignore them when it doesn’t suit your argument.
After reading this blog for a while I feel very certain that the same people slamming this FO for the Dickey trade would be apoplectic over any deal for Wright and AA prospects. All we would hear is endless bleats about “MAJOR LEAGUE READY TALENT!!!!!!”.
Just as we do day after day after day right now.
“You guys use rankings when you want to and ignore them when it doesn’t suit your argument.”
Can you please back that up? I always use BA’s player rankings as a source, so I don’t know what your talking about. And why do you mention “you guys”? If someone else has done what your saying, it’s not relevant to me because I’m not responsible for other peoples comments and opinions.
All you did was make a claim that you cannot prove, and avoided all of my points because you couldn’t answer them.
“After reading this blog for a while I feel very certain that the same people slamming this FO for the Dickey trade would be apoplectic over any deal for Wright and AA prospects.”
This is just an assumption and it is something you can’t prove. You can’t know how people would react to something that never happened.
Also, I haven’t seen many comments slamming the Dickey trade. Most comments have lauded the trade, while only a few have slammed it. There are also some people like me who want to wait and see how the prospects develop before we make a judgement on the move.
Vinny, this guy was all over the Blue Jay rankings when we traded the reigning Cy Young. lol
Oh Boomer,
You slay me. Even so, Wright for three prospects would be a boon to the Mets. And I believe Rizzo and Kelly were in that Adrian Gonzalez Padres deal, so I’m pretty sure it was considered a very good haul.
99.999% of met fans were happy with what we got back..
99.999% of met fans were not happy with the way the FO sh**ed on Dickey on the way out
Big difference
Damaja: To answer your statement about trading AGone. Here is what Jed Hoyer said about Adrian Gonzalez
“But we only had Adrian for one more season; that much was made clear. And once we knew it was only one season, we thought the right move was to act somewhat preemptively to get the best package of young players back.”
So they traded a player who made it clear to them he was not interested in being on their team. You see how that’s different don’t you? It was easy for them to trade him because he made it clear they couldn’t sign him. You think it’s a coincidence they happened to get him in a major market like Boston after he told them what he wanted for a deal?
Also, I am not sure if I need to explain to you the difference between a 1B market and a 3B market. The major market teams in need of a 1B after 2011 would have been Boston, Dodgers and Tigers. Dodgers were dealing with McCourt and uncertainty which slims down your choices between Boston and Detroit.
Wright would have had Nyy, Phi, Atl, Laa, Chw, Cin making offers. The markets aren’t even close.
If the Mets traded Wright to Colorado for a bunch of prospects, would you sign with them if you’re Wright? If not – why do you trade for him if you’re Colorado?
“Wright would have had Nyy, Phi, Atl, Laa, Chw, Cin making offers. The markets aren’t even close.”
Yes, so they are thirsty for Wright…but not thirsty enough to TRADE FOR HIM….?
The point is the chances that Wright would sign an extension with ANY team he was traded to would be slim to none. If you were Wright, why in the world would you do anything but hit free agency and have all of those teams have a bidding war for your services? In which case you would be trading a one year rental, and in no way would be maximizing your return for your best player. Wright would most likely have far more value to the Mets over the next six years than any prospect/prospects they would get in return for him, especially when he’s your best RH hitter and one of TWO major league RH hitters, and you can barely call Buck that but at least he has power. Unless you think they would get back a future 6-7 WAR player for him. In which case I disagree. Not to mention that every team needs a face. Wright is that player. There is just no one else. Even the Rays just locked up their face for many years, and that was after a injury riddled year. The extension of Wright was a marketing move just as much as it was a baseball decision. His jersey sales alone probably cover it. If you’re a Met fan looking to go buy Mets gear right now, whose are you probably going to buy? Extending Wright was hands down the correct move for the organization, whether its Sandy who did it, or any other GM under the sun.
Damaja: So name the prospect package that NYY could send for Wright that would be worth it?
You can’t.
The truth is, to get the VALUE for Wright that you want to turn around and send to Miami for Giancarlo you’d need to go to teams like Seattle, Arizona, Pittsburgh, or Houston and frankly why would they deal for him just to watch him leave?
Also if you’re telling me the Yankees have enough prospects to get Wright and then we could use those prospects for Giancarlo – why wouldn’t they just go get Giancarlo?
In order to get a significant haul for Wright you need
A) Wright willing to sign an extension. Remember the Blue Jays KNEW Dickey’s parameters because they asked the Mets and they wouldn’t do the deal without an extension
B) A team willing to sign Wright to a 7/120+ contract
C) A team with enough prospects to make it worth it to the mets to trade wright.
D) Wright and his agent not recognizing the open market for 3B is in his favor should he leave
it’s not as easy as trading in a video game. Just assuming it would be easy to do is laughable.
And using AGone who TOLD San Diego he was leaving and TOLD them what he wanted so they could tell the Red Sox (1 of 3 major market teams who could probably afford him) is not the same.
( Mind you, u listed the yanks as a potential trade partner )
Yankee package – pick 4 out of 5 players for David Wright
Mason Williams, of
Gary Sanchez -c
Manny Banuelos, lhp
Dante Bichette -3B
Dellin Betances – rhp
that honestly does nothing for me. And you’re also going to tell me that teams will mortgage their top 4 prospects for Wright? I just don’t see it honestly. I think you’re just wishing and letting it take over your logical views of why teams would do things.
I said from the start extending Wright was more about business than baseball. That’s unfortunate but it’s exactly what was needed. Despite what you & I think, there are millions of people out there who love David Wright and he represents one of the only things fans can hold onto until the young kids are ready.
You need to find a package that is good enough to make those people go “okay I can move on from the last 9 years and look forward to 5 years down the road.”
The Dickey deal was different. People loved Dickey and rightfully so, but the deal was obviously a good one to make so it lessens the blow
We have danced this dance before, so it isn’t our first rodeo. But like I said back then…
1. Yes we are all guesstimating.
2. My guesstimation…Wright could’ve been moved because he led all 3B in WAR (the peeps like that). He would have one full year with the team so he would return a first round pick if he isn’t re-signed> The $138MM the Mets gave him and the security it brings would be more than enough to get him to not risk another year, or another second half slump, or another injury…security is reason enough to not risk the open market.
3. You cannot say that there are multiple teams that would wnat him in free agency, and then ignore that those same multiple teams might want him through trade. Thus creating a market. Thus yielding a good bounty. Seriously, we got two top ten prospects from Toronto for Dickey. Two more from another team for Wright, and we would have a legit top ten system in all of baseball and freed money and the coveted financial stability we are being told to lust over…over y’know…actually having a winning team.
4. Rebuilding teams don’t hand out $138MM contracts, especially if you are 1-2 years away from competing. And competing is playing .500 ball come September.
SnyderGaard, Familia, Duda and Flores for Stanton….
I can’t wait till the Sand People tell me thats not enough after all the hype they lent to Snydergaard in hopes of selling everyone on giving up a Cy Young Pitcher….
I do this in a NY minute. Don’t think Loria would though. Especially when a team like the Rangers can put together a much better package.
Sadly, I think any discussion of the Mets trading for Stanton would have to start with one of Harvey or Wheeler.
Do I think Loria would do it? Nope….
But Sandy would I think was the point I was trying to get accross….
It would actually be much more than Sandy got for a Cy Young guy!
Three of our top prospects and a MLB player with power.
And one of them was the SECOND prospect that made taking an Injured and bad back Catcher worth making the trade for that Cy Young guy…
I don’t believe Loria cares one bit about in division trades. If the talent is right, and cheap, then a deal can get done.
This is not a man that worries about winning or fan outcry.
Realistic price:
D’Arnaud, Wheeler, and insert prospect who is close to major league ready.
Had we resigned Reyes and another big FA, perhaps you could talk yourself into this deal as we’d have a more major league ready team right now in 2013. But with all of our holes it’s tougher to do.
But 23 year olds with his power don’t come around often. I imagine if he was allowed to hit the FA market right now at age 23, he’d get 200 mill from somebody.
On second thought, I’d trade D’Arnaud and Wheeler for Stanton in a heartbeat. 23 year old middle of the lineup guy like that, the only way you get those guys is overpaying in FA (see Prince Feilder, Josh Hamilton) or develop your own.
Hard to put a price on Stantons age and skill set.
First off the Yankees don’ t have the prospect package, if he went on the block a year from now I can see the mets giving up a lot, but not wheeler or Harvey. One more good draft and maybe Santana, and Francisco deadline deals get a few more prospects. But I’m interested in David Price to go with Wheeler and Harvey and lock up Price after the trade. Then add a right fielder. Stanton would be option number two in my view, and lock him up as well.
What I find hilarious is the same people that undervalue prospects and say they mean nothing because they’re just prospects, are the same people who expect the Mets to go and try to trade for Stanton/Upton, not realizing the fact that the Mets packages just don’t compare to other teams packages because their prospects just aren’t as good, so the odds are near nil. And then when they don’t land Stanton or Upton, it’s because they don’t care about winning.
You can do nothing but laugh at these people.
Jessep, when you talk about the Minors you really look bad. D’Arnaud is two years older than Stanton. Are you saying D’Arnaud is the one on his way to a hall of fame career and is a franchise player? LOL WOW!
hi, what are you talking about? When did I compare d’Arnaud and Stanton?
Jessup doesn’t look bad when talking about the minors. Jessup always looks bad because jessup is not a real person. jessup is merely a mouthpiece for a certain GM.
“when you talk about the Minors you really look bad”
Says the guy who needed the Rule 5 draft explained to him after bragging about how much he knows.
Why do the people who constantly declare they have so much knowledge do such a lousy job demonstrating it?
” D’Arnaud is two years older than Stanton. Are you saying D’Arnaud is the one on his way to a hall of fame career and is a franchise player?”
Who said anything like that? Do you understand that they play different positions? Do you understand that a major league baseball team consists of a 25 man roster? That if you only have 1 really good hitter, you will not succeed? Just look at the Texas Rangers of 10 years ago.
“That if you only have 1 really good hitter, you will not succeed?”
LMAO
so i guess its Ike Davis’s turn to be the real only good hitter for the NY Mets….
It depends on what CONTEXT we are talking about these prospects….
From a Marlin perspective, unless you are overwhelmed with pieces that can contribute on the MLB level soon, trading Stanton now is retarded…
The Mets right now do not have the pieces to compete with Texas and some other clubs in the Stanton derby…
Trading Wright for even 2 top 50 prospects would’ve given us a much better chance at getting a much better hitter, younger…with the financial cushion to give him an extension, give Ike an extension, along with Duda, Tejada and Murphy…
In all seriousness, I would trade Flores, Duda, Syndergard, Nimmo, and Mejia and I still don’t think that would be enough with the marlins laughing at the mets