22
2012
MMO Mailbag: Trading for Giancarlo Stanton
An article by XtreemIcon
Hitman asks:
With this hoopla going on right now with David Wright and the contract negotiations (Wright being dissatisfied by the contract offer in length & value), and Giancarlo Stanton being very outspoken against Miami, wouldn’t it be smart to package Wright along with Johan Santana (eat about 60% of his contract), Zack Wheeler, Jeurys Familia, and Rafael Montero in order to land Giancarlo? Strike while the iron is hot, so to speak? Murph can briefly play 3rd until Flores is ready (or go get themselves another short term 3rd baseman like Polanco for one year), followed up by trading for Asdrubal Cabrera from Cleveland, either sliding Tejada to 2nd base or putting Cabrera at 2nd base.
XtreemIcon replies:
Hitman, I’ll give you my short answer, then my long answer. My short answer is that it would be very smart to do this. I’d drive each and every one of them to the airport myself. And carry their luggage. The long answer is that it’s so smart for the Mets that I don’t see the Marlins accepting this deal. The Marlins just dumped about every player on their team making any kind of money, and Wright’s about to get paid. In addition, 40% of Santana’s contract is still around $10 million for 2013 (and the same for 2014 if they exercise the option, though with the Marlins, that doesn’t seem likely).
I can definitely see the Fish unloading Stanton and retooling, and I’m sure they’d have no problem trading him within the division, but that would likely up the cost. Wheeler, Familia and Montero are a good start, but instead of Wright and Santana, it would have to be more minor leaguers making zilch.
The question now is what else the Marlins would want from the Mets. Their mlb.com Prospect Watch lists two of their top three prospects as outfielders with a 2013 ETA (Christian Yelich and Jake Marisnick) and their eighth-best prospect, Marcell Ozuna, is an outfielder with a 2014 ETA. That puts Juan Pierre’s one-year deal in perspective. Therefore, they’d likely not be interested in Matt Den Dekker. Adeiny Hechavarria, acquired from the Blue Jays, will go into Spring Training with the job to lose at shortstop, and with Zack Cox and Matt Dominguez both with 2013 ETAs, they’re set at third base, likely making Wilmer Flores redundant (and Wright, too, for that matter). They also have a second baseman and a first baseman with a 2014 ETA in their top-20. They don’t seem to be in a dire need to add position players close to the bigs. If you were the Marlins, would you trade Stanton for Wheeler, Familia, Montero and some kids only in A-Ball?
A more likely scenario, from the Marlins standpoint, is Wheeler, Familia, Montero, Tapia and Puello for Stanton, a lower-level pitcher and, say, their second base prospect Noah Perio. Here’s Perio’s scouting report from the Prospect Watch:
“A football standout in high school, Perio acquitted himself well in his first full season in 2011. The 2009 draftee showed a good bat from the left side of the plate at Greensboro that season, but his numbers tapered considerably in 2012 at Jupiter. A good athlete, he’s an above-average runner and has spent a good amount of time in the leadoff spot. To stay atop the lineup, he’ll need to improve his plate discipline, but he makes good, consistent contact. He’s still learning how to play second but should be fine there long term and even has the arm to help out at short if needed.”
That doesn’t seem like it’s worth it now from the Mets standpoint. You’re right to assume the Mets would have to overpay for Stanton, Hitman, but the package you suggested wouldn’t appeal to the Marlins based on financials and positional need.
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The Fish are NOT taking Wright or Santana for the same reason the Mets would NOT take them in a trade…MONEY.
The Marlins would want prospects. I would tell them Niese and a package of of anyone else BUT Harvey and Wheeler..
Wheeler or Harvey are gonna be the first ones they’ll ask about in order to start the conversation. I’d rather risk Wheeler.
Sandy and his boys are going to be busy and make some big moves but Stanton won’t be one of them. And Santana is untradeable with that contract. If you put him on waivers nobody would pick him up.
stanton is not arb eligable for another year. hes not going anywhere for awhile imo
especialy with all the young talent on the horizon. They could have a great young outfield in 2014 with Stanton, Marisnik and Yelich.
Sandy: Hey guys, I hear that stanton kid is pretty upset, I say we offer Niese, Mejia, and Valdespin for him
DePo: Yes thats a great idea Boss, I love you, on this thanksgiving, i give thanks for you, without you, I would be employed in Oakland…not sure for what…
JP: Yes thats a great idea, happy thanksgiving Boss, without you I would be an official anonymous source for ESPN, now I’m an unofficial anonymous source for Metsblog #Winning
Sandy: Happy Thanksgiving guys…now about that trade
Fred: Giancarlo pretty much killed his marketability when he changed his name from Michael…
Jeff: His full name is Giancarlo Cruz Michael Stanton..
Dave Howard: Met fans would immediately get suspicious about a latino who has 2 first names and 2 last names all in the same name
Jay Horowitz: I can barely pronounce Carlos…you want me to introduce a guy who has 4 syllables in his 1st name??
Saul Katz: the amount of letters in his name would dramatically increase the expense side of creating his jersey, which would cut into our..
Sandy: Never mind guys,
Fred: Hey I hear Chone Figgins is available
Jeff: and you wont have to give up any prospects…and he’ll be cheaper than Mr. Illegal Mexican with 4 names Get Ricco to call Jack over in Seattle immediately
Sandy: he’s a free-agent though
Jeff: You shut up you old windbag, when I want your opinion I’ll ask for it
Giancarlo is an Italian name you dumb shlt. His parents liked the sound of it. He was also born in California and is part Puerto Rican from his mothers side.
Second of all if you are going to write up dialog to unjustifiably paint this front office as a bunch of r a c i s t s, at least be funny about it. This was dull and in-cohesive, kind of like all of your comments.
i guess no turkey for u last night huh?
lol
I also know italian and spanish are both rooted in the LATIN LANGUAGE…
Italians are actually the original LATINO if we are being linguistically accurate
There is still a city named LATINA in Western Italy, I know because I dated an italian girl from Italy who put me on to all this
and lastly, I was making fun of the idiotic front office, that for the past 30 years has routinely placed marketing above production, and the redneck element of our fanbase that they cater to
If you feel like you belong in either category, then so be it
Why would Loria even remotely consider that? He’s dumping salary right and left. He’s not picking up Wright’s 15 MIL nor 40% of Johan’s contract.
If you want Stanton, be prepared to give up the farm for him and/or other cost controlled players.
Why wouldn’t he take it? Both of them will simply be there for a year (minus the options). Loria will likely ask for major league guys in addition to top prospects for Stanton. Santana would make $10 million and like you mention, Wright only $15 million. Who says he has to sign them long term?
Because Loria dumped just about anyone making over 1 MIL.
Why would he pick up Wright and his 15 MIL salary for next season or even 40% of Johan’s salary? Heck, he didn’t even keep JJ,
He’s shedding payroll, some making far less than Wright will be for next season.
He wants prospects and multi year, low cost controlled players back in a trade.
1) The Marlins have been wanting to dump Johnson since last summer. I happened to recall his name mentioned many times during the trade deadline.
2) If they want to shed payroll and dump people making over $1 million, why are they trying to dump Logan Morrison, who has yet to even make $1 million?
The Marlins objective is simple: dump the guys who are making lots of money who failed to live up to the hype of the Marlins ruling the NL East, replace them with high caliber, close to ML ready talent and build from within a potential powerhouse that will be the class of the division. Perennial contenders. Don’t think for one second they dont want to make money. This is the same plan I’ve been wanting the Mets to implement, starting with selling high on Wright and Dickey.
“If they want to shed payroll and dump people making over $1 million, why are they trying to dump Logan Morrison, who has yet to even make $1 million?”
Logan Morrison hit 230/308/399 last year with terrible defense, and he bad mouthed the team on twitter last year. Overrated.
As opposed to the multiple times Hanley badmouthed the team for years? The bad defense is mostly attributed to the fact that Morrison was not a LF and better off at 1st base (sound familiar?)
Jon Neise would be a better starting point for a trade including Giancarlo.
Wheeler (has to be in the deal to catch the big fish), Mejjia (who is going to be another Pedro)Nimmo and Murphy ( a Florida guy) I think will seal the deal.
Saw this comment on MLBTR on the Marlin story up:
‘note to stanton: sign a long term deal. it’s a great way to make sure you don’t stay in miami too long’
Couldn’t help chuckling at the irony here – and the truth.
Stanton just turned 23 and is not making any money yet. Why would Miami want to trade a proven commodity not yet making money for prospects. They’re not moving him until the end of 2013 at the earliest.
It would take Wheeler, Niese, Fulmer, Flores, and Nimmo at least.
“…with Zack Cox and Matt Dominguez both with 2013 ETAs, they’re set at third base, likely making Wilmer Flores redundant (and Wright, too, for that matter).”
Cox has been terrible in AA & AAA this past season in both sides of his game so I’ll be surprised not only if he doesn’t start out in AA, but arrive in 2013. Next, Dominguez isn’t even a Marlin anymore. He was dealt for Carlos Lee. Third base is wide open.
i think Flores would be an attractive piece of a trade for Stanton…i would not trade Niese…only quality / decent Lefty SP we have ‘cept for Gorski in AA.
Wheeler (Not Harvey), Familia, Mejia–thats an excellent trifecta of very good SPs close to MLB-ready + Flores, Puello or maybe even Murphy…should start the conversation.
i’d want to keep Montero, Robles, Ynoa, Mateo, Tapia, Fullmer…geech, we need ‘some’ interesting arms on the Farm for ’14 – ’15 arrival.
The mets do not have enough talent for to spare 5 for 1 trades. Personally, I like Stanton’s power but he has a slider speed bat.
i don’t much care for outgoing 5 – 1 trades either, but to pencil in a 23yr-old stud that may well put up Pujols-like #s for the next 10+ years i’d do it. Not going to win in ’13 anyway…and most all our prospects after Wheeler, Mejia, Familia, Flores are 2 – 3 years away.
Maybe, as part of this get Giancarlo move, we trade DW and RA and get a couple ready – near-ready MLB prospects.
And free of DW in ’13 and Santana in ’14, maybe-just-maybe, we can pursue some quality FA’s.
That’d offset our losses in acquiring Stanton.
And maybe we keep RA so he can mentor the younger hurlers coming in. No doubt, i’d rather trade DW than RA.
This guy is no Pujols. I Iike him some, But Wheeler is a potential number 1. Stanton is probably going to hit some HRs and bat .280. Or he may become Kingmanesque when the league gets used to him.. He does not hit the really good fastball.
Ok, i just reviewed Puhols’ MLB Stats–incredible. I stand corrected. Stanton is no Albert by any measure. That said, the League hasn’t caught up to Stanton in over 373 games / 1324 ABs. His #’s last year were his most productive. He smacked 37hrs over 449 Abs in only 123 games.
Not saying we throw the Farm away in getting Stanton–just saying he’s worth a combo of our best near MLB-ready prospects (Wheeler, Familia, Mejia, Flores, +?). Because he’d anchor our lineup for next 10 years. We’d keep the ‘next’ generation of our best SP prospect–some of whom look very promising (Montero, Robles, Ynoa, Tapia).
Plus, we could cushion our losses by trading DW and use saved $$$$$$$$’s by signing selective FA’s..
We have to think outside the box.
still think the Mets should trade Dickey to a team very close to winning for a top prospect and couple that prospect with Wheeler, Familia and others for Stanton.
The Mets dont have the goods. Never happen.
It would take a package with several epic prospects. We only have one – Wheeler.
With the Marlins history of “several epic prospects” they seem to get back after unloading huge pieces, I’m not too worried about the Mets & Marlins getting a deal done.
Did anyone stop to think that if we traded David Wright for PROSPECTS, and then traded those prospects for Giancarlo Cruz…
then signed Cruz to a 10 year deal for 120 mil ( avg 12 mil per year )
it would be the mets reinvesting in the team, not overpaying for a star player on the decline, and fielding a better product in 2014–> beyond ?
we essentially would be trading David Wright for Giancarlo Stanton
I make that trade 7 days a week and twice on Sunday
This is an incredible idea. And most of the people reading this love Wright and would never admit it is a great idea.
I think it’s a fine idea if you could guarantee a team will pay top prospects for David Wright and that Miami would trade Giancarlo to a division rival and that Giancarlo would sign an extension.
If I was playing MLB 2K13, I’d do this instantly.
I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, but where are you getting these prospects? Which team is paying multiple top prospects for a pending free agent with no guarantee of an extension? What prospects are going to be good enough for Miami to trade Giancarlo away? Remember they do NOT have to do ANYTHING with Giancarlo for 3 years.
He can be mad and try to force a deal but Miami holds all the cards. So your package has to be worth it to them to give up the power on Giancarlo.
Let me ask you this Damaja and Bayonne
If I said trade: Familia, Flores, Wheeler and Fulmer for Giancarlo – does that get it done?
If not then what are you going to get for Wright that makes the difference? My point is, if 4 of our top prospects with 3 of them being our Top 3 – who is getting brought in for Wright that has more value?
I’m 100% for getting Giancarlo. But why is your goal to get him at the price of Wright? Shouldn’t your goal be to have them BOTH on the Mets?
Would you prefer to have Giancarlo with no 3B? or Giancarlo with Wright at 3B?
There’s literally no reason to say you’d prefer him without Wright.
i’d trade DW (much as i like him as a Met) because the alternative is to pay the guy more than he’s now worth over a 7 yr period. You make a great poin tthat we probably wouldn’t get a package of top-level prospects fo what could be a 1-year deal. But i bet we’d get 1 top flight guy and 1 good – very good prospect for DW. There are teams out there who’d love to have him : CO / Boston for starts.
And what we’d get back for him would cushion what we’d lose in trading for Stanton. And i think Fl would be highly intrigued in a package of Wheeler, Familia, Mejia, Flores, Puello for Stanton.
We’re not going to make the playoffs in ’13–but with Stanton, freed-up $$$$$’s, prospects in the DW trade, + some of Montero, Robles, Ynoa, Fulmer, Tapia ready by ’14 / ’15, we’d be in the mix.
Losing way too much to keep Wright.
You are advocating gutting out the farm system + making David Wright our answer to Allan Houston. We would literally be the Knicks all over again.
Trade Wright in a sign/trade, use the prospects from that deal to give to Miami in a sign/trade with Stanton.
Stanton is 23 years old…at worse…a 7 year deal worth 100 million with 2 PLAYER option years at 20 mil a piece would be a compromise on both sides…
you get the pre-arb year…all 3 arb years…then 3 free-agent years…and possibly 2 more…
And Stanton would potentially turn either 30 or 32 when his contract is up…if he is still a beast…I doubt 7 years from now 20 mil per year is even going to be that much….
Ridiculous to think that the Marlins would trade Stanton and take back a high priced player like David Wright after the recent salary dump.
They will want a lot more than the brass will offer simply because neither Matt Harvey or Zack Wheeler will be part of the package. There is no doubt that the direction of the team is to build a formidable pitching staff and Harvey and Wheeler are the next “anointed ones” in the plan.
I would be willing to bet that the rest of our prospects are available as far as the brass is concerned in order to get a Giancarlo Stanton!