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2012
Add Braves, Tigers, Giants To List Of Teams Who Want Hairston
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Updated Post 5:15 PM
As I said this morning, as more and more rival Gm’s see the kind of season that Hairston had in 2012, the longer the line of suitors will get. This just in…
Only thous after the Detroit Tigers entered the fray, the Atlanta Braves and the San Francisco Giants have also asked inquired about Hairston according to Andy McCullough of the Star-Ledger.
Yep… As I said, Hairston is as good as gone…
Even a platoon catcher or left fielder would have looked good instead of another empty spot on the 40 man roster….
We have been bleeding talent for three off-seasons now and the team is still hemorrhaging…
By the way, almost two months down and my prediction that there wouldn’t be any “wholesale changes” is looking better and better….
Only 2 1/2 more months until Mets Spring Training Camp opens. Are ya ready?
LETS GO METS!
Original Post 09:00 AM
Sandy Alderson has singled out the team’s dire outfield situation as one of the areas that will be addressed this offseason. But as free agent outfielders start to fly off the board, the Mets have yet to make a move and seem to be in “paralysis mode”.
Last week, after the Mets released Jason Bay, Alderson said it was more likely that their most productive outfielder, Scott Hairston, would be re-signed by the team for the 2013 season.
“It’s more likely Scott Hairston returns, Alderson said: “I think it helps. As I said, it gives us more flexibility and it subtracts one more candidate from our outfield. So in both ways it probably enhances Scott’s chances of coming back.”
But Alderson and his team of former GM’s, all seem to be singularly focused on one thing right now; the David Wright and R.A. Dickey extension talks. The world continues to turn, but not in Flushing.
While the Mets are held back by these time consuming extension deals, everything else is at a standstill. There has been no news on any progress regarding Hairston, and yesterday Dan Martin of the New York Post reported that the delay has opened the door for some major competition for his services including the New York Yankees. He believes that the Mets are running out of time if they are intent on keeping Hairston.
Among the reasons the Mets can’t wait forever is the need to map out a plan for the rest of the offseason. They remain interested in Scott Hairston, but will get competition for the outfielder from the Yankees.
The Yankees continue to have conversations with Hairston, who is coming off arguably his most productive offensive season when he hit 20 homers and knocked in 57 runs with an OPS of .803 in part-time duty with the Mets last season.
The Yankees have already had preliminary discussions to bring back Raul Ibanez after a solid first season with the club. And, with Nick Swisher set to leave town, Hairston would provide right-handed power in the outfield, something the Yankees currently lack.
Obviously, the more teams take a look at Hairston the more of them like what they see. As a right-handed power-hitter, Hairston provides the perfect compliment to a lefty/righty platoon, a great bat off the bench, and some veteran leadership in the clubhouse.
Last year, Hairston proved to be the most productive outfielder the Mets had in an outfield whose offense ranked last in the majors. In just 377 at-bats, Hairston had 20 home runs, 27 doubles, 57 RBI and a .504 slugging to go with an .808 OPS.
I’ve mentioned previously that this front office often shows an inability to multi-task or negotiate with players or teams simultaneously on various levels or platforms. Jon Heyman referred to that during the last Winter Meetings and said many teams would rather not talk to the Mets because everything was analyzed to death and they were incapable of making a quick decision.
Alderson himself even admitted he was in “paralysis mode” when he said he basically can’t do anything until he has some clarity on the extensions. What re-signing Hairston has to do with all of this, I couldn’t tell you.
By the way, “paralysis mode” is the term I adopted to describe this slow moving process which the front office refers to as a strategy of “waiting for the market or certain markets to develop. ”
Anyhow, with the Yankees clearly in the mix now, it certainly would seem that the Mets would shy away from any bidding war for the well liked outfielder. His offense will be difficult to replace for the Mets, a team that was already starving for power. In my opinion, Hairston is as good as gone.
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Ok, here’s the reason he is waiting…
If they don’t sign extensions, the Mets will trade them for outfielders. That’s the reason why they aren’t negotiating with Hairston while also trying to sign David and RA.
When there is very limited resources, you can’t just start throwing them around. If they trade RA, they may very well get a younger cheaper version or better of Hairston. If they trade Wright, they might get two. That’s why and it isn’t that hard to fathom.
I know everyone wants them to move their butts, but these players want big bucks and the Mets don’t have that. This takes time and it might hurt them big time in 2013 if it drags on any longer.
Right, if the Mets trade Wright and Dickey then they certainly don’t need Hairston. What would be the point?
Woah hold on here…..
If we trade Wright and Dickey then we will have filled all the holes we have on this team no?
Isn’t the the reason you guys have been giving for trading both on a daily basis here?
Or is it just that a shift in logic is needed to fit this post and so the reverse in opinion is needed here?
Let’s see ok.. In 2011 Alderson traded beltran to the giants for a prospect, paying the remaining salary of beltran at the time. That was consider a GREAT move for the mets even though the kid hasn’t thrown a single pitch because we were not gonna sign beltran, so instead of collecting the picks we traded him, paid his salary and got wheeler.. Ok, fair enough, but what to make of hairston then? We knew we were not gonna sign the guy, yet we kept him instead of trading him for prospect/s and now we might lose him with nothing to show for..
Can anybody explain that particular situation to me please? If some of you are ready to defend the move on beltran/wheeler last year, then how can anyone defend this one then? Bias aside for the sabermetrics fans, please let me know other than saying sandy sucks what can we say about him and his goons not trading a guy they’ll lose eventually in FA?
I am guessing that the offers for Hairston didn’t match the result of taking him out of the lineup. In other-words, they kept him to protect a lineup that was already barren instead of “giving up” on the team the way that so many of you criticized the previous year.
So in 2011 they trade Beltran and shouldn’t have because they gave up on the team and this year they kept a player and shouldn’t have because they should have traded him for a C prospect.
Got it.
Giving up on Beltran in 2011 = giving up a chance at the wild card spot
Giving up on Hairston in 2012 = giving up on a chance for .500
Us met fans dont give a sh*t about .500
big difference, last year they traded an all star MVP like caliber player, that’s giving up on the season… This year they were out of it and kept a guy who could’ve at least bring in a C prospect that many teams were willing to part with.. I can tell you many C level prospects that have pan out pretty good in baseball no? Stop defending your lord this morning, it’s making you look pathetic!
Obviously your inability to read is catching up with you again. How is it that posting comments that are not the same as yours gets labeled as defending a lord? Yet you call me pathetic, what are you 6 years old?
I am saying it’s a no win situation for Sandy right now. We don’t have a clue what the offers were for Hairston and yes with all the guys we have coming up that we have to place on the 40 man perhaps they believed it wasn’t worth it. However, are we really spending time arguing and going back and forth over a C prospect?
Your double talk is amazing. First you bash the Beltran for Wheeler deal citing correctly that Wheeler hasnt thrown a pitch in the majors. Then you turn around and complain that Alderson didnt trade Hairston for a C level prospect when you can cite many who made it. Well, there are also a ton of C level, actually most, who never even get close to the majors. The truth is the odds of a guy like Wheeler making it are a lot more than some C level guy.
So your assertion is that the Mets should not have dumped Beltran for an A prospect but should have dumped Hairston for a C.
( Link ) Why we never traded Hairston —>
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/sports/baseball/mets-defeat-marlins-6-1-in-matinee-game.html?_r=1&ref=sports
During that road trip, the Mets declined to be sellers at the trade deadline. General Manager Sandy Alderson made it clear that the Mets found it preferable to hold onto a competent player like Scott Hairston, even if he had some trade value, because every victory mattered in the effort to restore credibility to the franchise. And Hairston might help the Mets win a few extra games.
That view was endorsed by Manager Terry Collins, who said at the time: “Wins keep people coming to the ballpark. Wins keep fans interested.”
The 3 GM Stooges or GM Tri-fecta, 3 Headed Monster?
Unfortunately, inaction has become the norm for these Mets. Sandy was brought in to change the direction of the franchise. The only problem is that no one knows what that direction is.
Sandy, “the storm”, was more predictable.
Yes, sounds stupid, but Alderson at the time, said they didn’t want to trade him because he wasn’t getting good enough offers to justify trading him. He’d rather keep him on the team and try to win games…pointless games, but games anyway.
Listen, Scott was never bringing back a Zachary Wheeler type prospect. You may get a Josh Satin type, but nothing great. Why uproot a guy and his family for a prospect who isn’t adding anything to the system?
Yup perhaps they believed that by not trading him they would actually stand a better chance of re-signing him?
Really? They knew then that Reyes was looking for 100+M to resign and they still thought they could sign him to less?
When they couldn’t they decided not to make an offer at all?
Let me guess they assumed as many of YOU did that no way Reyes would get that type of money in Free Agency….
Anyway you slice it they (and YOU) were wrong!
Reading comprehension should come before blurting out. Remember that.
Let me know when you get it so we can continue…..
No desire, sorry.
No desire to comprehend reading? What a shock for a member of the UFT!
Yup.
Well at least your man enough to admit despite the fact you don’t understand a word anyone is saying you will comment and complain about what they say as if you did.
It’s gotten to the point that you are just a mockery of yourself and quite comical, so I will just agree again so I can get a kick out of your response.
Nah just a mockery of you!
Your so easy to get to retreat…..
I know, right? You whipped me again. You da man .
Yes I did!
You ran away from yet another baseball conversation with your childish attempt at an insult!
No wonder our education system is in shambles with folks like you teaching our youth!
When you get tough questions in history class do you switch the subject to biology too?
Sometimes I do wonder what you get out of all of this.
Well the hope is similar to training a dog not to bark…..
Pump Electricity into him whenever he does something you don’t like you hope to train the dog not to do it again….
So I take you on in hopes that one day you won’t ruin perfectly good baseball conversations with your useless attempt at insulting me (and others) and actually continue the BASEBALL conversation without these little useless diversions you do all the time!
But sometime you just can’t teach an old dog nrew trick and you just have to shoot the bastard!
Nah, I just think its that you are a pathetic loner in life that gets run all over in the real world and you come here trying to win every discussion just so you don’t cry at night. To each his own. For the sake of the site I will not engage you anymore.
As an animal lover, please tell me you’re not serious with this analogy.
Shoot a dog because you as the owner aren’t smart enough or dedicated enough to train him?
Bah…I hope you don’t own any pets…….
And once again TRS you are wrong as usual!
At least you are consistent!
No SRT I was not serious in fact I used the brutality on purpose to make the point of how far Iam willing to go to get him to stop his sniping and complaining about other posters doing what he does at least 10-15 posts per day!
And then changing the subject when he gets caught in a fact he can’t deal with.
By the way I love how you just run to this childish drivel and run anytime someone brings up a point you little snarky brain can’t answer or explain….
Me too! That’s why I do it. Dang, you so smart .
Your the idiot who took a baseball conversation to this place with your snarky reading comprehension stupidity not me!
But you go right on thinking your being the civil one here
200 Comments here we go!
Yup, you so right again. Actually I am done, have fun. At least others will get a kick out of your responses.
See ya loser!
“So I take you on in hopes that one day you won’t ruin perfectly good baseball conversations with your useless attempt at insulting me (and others) and actually continue the BASEBALL conversation without these little useless diversions you do all the time!”
“By the way I love how you just run to this childish drivel and run anytime someone brings up a point you little snarky brain can’t answer or explain….”
hmmm… something smells in here…
Nah Stupid you never get involved in these conversations do you?
LOL
That smell is coming from that stuff you been shoveling here…
“Yes, sounds stupid, but Alderson at the time, said they didn’t want to trade him because he wasn’t getting good enough offers to justify trading him. He’d rather keep him on the team and try to win games…pointless games, but games anyway.”
Right, because finishing with 73 wins as opposed to 69 wins makes THAT much of a difference
Sandy is a failure
Hairston is not an Alderson type player anymore. He costs too much. It’s all about Moneyball and bang for the buck. The sabers says Hairston is not worth what he’ll want in dollars. He’ll have a huge year in Yankee pinstripes. Thanks for the memories Scott!
Alex, Beltran had a clause in his contract where he couldn’t be offered arbitration, so there wouldn’t have been any picks coming back.
Everything else you have said the past few weeks is spot on.
VA, thanks… did not know that
So they could’ve traded Beltran, and gotten him back in less than 3 months w/o surrending a pick
Yup, they could have which makes that trade even better. However, the Mets were broke and there was absolutely no way Carlos was re-signing with the Mets after all the controversy at the end of his deal.
They woudn’t have had to surrender a pick either way because of where they finished in the standings. Their pick was protected.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Forget Hairston…
Not trading Reyes was the screw up.
And if they sign wright will be a biggest screw up!
Very possible, pending the terms and the budget in 2014.
Trade a guy who was on the DL 10 days before the deadline (and who ended up on it after the deadline). What type of return would you have gotten?
I am with Alex on this one, if the reports are true, the Wright deal will become one of the bigger blunders. And, ironically, it is completely against Alderson’s philosophy so it shows who is calling the shots on that one…Wilpons.
The Wright deal really depends on the terms and what the budget will be from 2014 on. If it’s gonna stay at 100M and Wright is gonna actually cost 7/140 then yeah that is a disaster. We don’t really know either at this point.
My God! What is it with front office!!!!
Hairston cant hit righthanders, the hell with him. We need complete outfielders who can play everyday and be productive. Hopefully we can get one back for Dickey.
He cant catch the ball either.
Who can resist that tempting allure of those fabled pinstripes?
Hairston had a good season and will most likely cash in on it. I just hope he does not go to the Yanks to do so.
well Philly needs some OF help too…
On 2nd thought signing with the Yanks doesn’t look all that bad.
Hairston’s OPS ranked him 41st among OF with a minimum of 350 PA.
Hairston has a lot more value in the American League because of the DH. He is a 4th OF at best in the NL.
Funny all the haters just keep piling on. Lets see…who signed Hairston? Oh that would be Alderson. How much did he spend? A couple million over 2 years…for 27 HRs. I bet every GM in the league would take that.
The way Hairston fields, it is a problem if he gets 400 ABs with the Mets. That is why his time should be done with the Mets. Cash in on a career year and take the money. Overpaying for a 4th OF/bench player isnt smart.
Right, signing him to a multiyear deal could very well end up making the same mistake Omar made with Tatis and Valentin. Sometimes you do very well and decide to move on. You gotta know when to walk away and know when to run.
this is the lunacy of met fans
Valentin was NEVER signed to a multi-year contract. After outperforming his contract in 2006 ( 941K), hitting the most HR’s for a 8th place hitter…and the 3rd highest amount among all major league 2B…Jose signed a whopping 1 year 3 mil contract
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?53542-Valentin-Returning-To-Mets
Tatis signed a 1 year 1.76 mil deal with a 1 year option…and this was after winning comeback player of the year awards and single handedly carrying the offense
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20081030&content_id=3655920&vkey=pr_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym
If Sandy Alderson can convice Hairston to sign a contract even remotely as cheap as those…I would give him the key to the city
It is folks like you that give Met fans a bad name. You would confuse Alex Cora with Alex Rodriguez just to make a point
The point is that in extending them he went to the well one too many times and they returned to the pumpkins they were.
Also both of those deals included options for the next year which would imply the possibility of multi-year deals.
“Valentin has agreed to terms on a one-year deal with a vesting option for 2008 that would guarantee him $4 million – and considerably more if the option vests.”
…did the mets execute the option on Jose Valentin?
NOPE
sounds like a 1 year deal to me
the mets paid Tatis almost the same money after an awesome 2008 season that Sandy paid Hairston after batting .236 with 7 HR in 2011
You’re not good at this debating thing…try looking up facts and stats before you make wild comparisons.
OK so between the two of them after their great seasons the Mets paid
Valentin 4M to bat .241 .302 .373 .676 in 51 games
Tatis 850K to bat .185 .254 .338 .592 in 41 games
You are still proving my point. When you hit with a guy like Hairston or Tatis or Valentin sometimes the best move is to cut and run instead of paying them to expect them to be as good as their Cinderella years.
Yes because after hitting .275 and 18 HR’s with no minor league 2B anywhere in sight. Omar was supposed to sign Valentin to a contract SMALLER than 1 year 3.5 mil
And again…AFTER winning comeback player of the year awards, Omar was supposed to sign Tatis to a contract smaller than 1 year 1.5 mil
Gotcha
that totally makes sense
He went to the well AGAIN with Tatis Justa. I am saying over and over again that when you sign these reclamation projects you have to be careful with their success because there is a reason they were reclamation projects. Are you saying that Valentin at 4M ended up being a good signing? Of course that is hindsight and that is what we are all talking about. Re-signing Hairston could very well backfire as well.
1st off..it was 3 mil with Valentin, incentives could’ve pushed it to 4 mil, he never reached those incentives.
And hindsight is not something that a GM has at his disposal
Signing RA Dickey to a 2 year 10 mil contract seems right….no one would dispute that…
if we turned down a package of 3 prospects and instead keep Dickey…and Dickey injures himself…the GM is an idiot…
if its the other way around, the GM is a genius
you have to look at hindsight with perspective.
so no, those comparisons do not apply
Your link:
“Valentin has agreed to terms on a one-year deal with a vesting option for 2008 that would guarantee him $4 million – and considerably more if the option vests.”
It was actually 3.8 mil
still a bad comparison considering that Hairston is likely to get much more than a 1 year 3.8 mil deal
Actually no it isn’t. You are still missing the point and I think I have made my point very clear. When signing guys like Hairston after late career career years you run the risk of it backfiring and wasting your money just as the Mets did with Valentin and Tatis not only those but of course you have guys like Marlon Anderson as well.
There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between a 1 year 3.8 mil contract and a 2 year 10 mil contract
if Sandy signs Scott for the same amount that Omar signed Valentin/Tatis, there is absolutely nothing wrong with those numbers
you are talking in principle with absolutely NO REGARD for the actual amount paid.
I am against resigning Scott H on the premise that his contributions wont be enough to validate taking AB’s away from Valdespin, Kirk or Duda
same with Torres
If they wanna be veterans that mentor from the bench than fine…sign them to cheap deals…
if they want to platoon or start…bon voyage
we should be ALL about 2014 and beyond
Why the squabble over 1 year deals (with or without options). For fill in guys, those are the best deals. Hairston gave the Mets a good two years (on two one year contacts). Picking up a guy like him for a second year when it doesnt have a big price tag is the way to go. The key is they are gone after the season. If a good year is produced, the team gets a bargain, and the player leaves. Much in the same way if the player sucks, the team loses some, and he is gone at the end of the year.
Tatis, Valetin, and Hairston all served their purpose and were gone (Hairston most likely). The same is true for Rauch, Carasco, and all the other fill ins. The impact is short term and minimal. It is the Jason Bays deals or the impending 7 year contracts that can handcuff a franchise. That is where the focus needs to be.
Sandy failed = http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/tigers-interested-in-scott-hairston.html
What was offered? Everyone makes the accusation the FO wanted too much. Maybe the Tigers off some bench player in rookie ball. Until you cite where a decent offer was made that was turned down, you are just speculating that it was wrong not to trade him.
Well Taskmaste trying to cite a lack of evidence is not proving that Sandy didn’t ask for too much because lets face it, We did NOT trade him knowing full well he was going to be too expensive and not resigned when we had the chance to get SOMETHING!
Why wasn’t he traded? Because we needed him to get to the playoffs last year?
Because he is the piece thats going to get us there THIS year?
Or because Sandy asked for too much and everyone said… PASSthe second they heard what Sandy wanted for him.
You can play the denial game and ask to show proof of something that didn’t happen…
But in the end the fact NOTHING HAPPENED is proof Sandy asked for too much and as a result he kept yet another player he has no intentions of signing unless everyone else passes on him and can get him at the price of dirt!
yes, and who could’ve traded Hairston when our season was over in July?
Hairston was the 2012 version of Jose Valentin…or Fernando Tatis…or Endy Chavez….aka low-risk cheap player who outproduces his contract
Yes you got one part right:
“Hairston was the 2012 version of Jose Valentin…or Fernando Tatis…or Endy Chavez….aka low-risk cheap player who outproduces his contract”
Thus signing him to a multiyear deal could prove to go the same route ad Tatis and Valentin.
Yes you are right, Joe. Maybe we should rush out there and sign players who havent been tendered a contract yet like omar did with alou, costing us a first round pick. Or maybe we should sign pitchers with arm issues like Pero and Putz so we can make a backpage splash. I like the knicks analogy too. Walsh kept his discipline and now its paying off.
who would you have play LF in 2007.
esp after coming that close to getting to the WS in 2006, and ownership blocking the Manny deal…
I’ll patiently wait for your answer
Obviously it would be Daniel Murphy, any large market team with an unlimited budget and hopes of competing should slot in Murphy… oh wait wrong year.
LOL
Based on his past moves, there was no logical sense for Sandy not to have traded Hairston even for a middle of the road pospect. If his prior decisions (and lack of) were made knowing they would knock the Mets out of two wildcard races then it’s obvious keeping the team simply “competitive” never entered the equation.
Perhaps it’s because he wanted to limit the further erosion of fans in the seats as much as possible. Now, while I don’t believe anyone came out to see Hairston, interest in the team no doubt would have erroded even further. So, it might not have been a question of Scott himself but the impact that trading him would cause financially by turning off fans even more. With so little owed to Hairston by July’s end , the loss in revenue was probably projected to be more than the savings unloading Scott for a prospect and cash combined.
So keeping Hairston in itself only fuels further the belief that moves made are not in the best interest of the team but in the best interest of the owner, even if the result in monetary savings is neglibile. A prospect with a potential future, even in a secondary role, still helps the team in lieu of having nothing.
But again without knowing the offers it makes the discussion difficult.
just, thanks for waiting………………waiting oh, yeah waiting. thats what your sainted minaya could have done with alou and not wasted a number one pick. Never mind Alou was more fragile than fine china and then sign him to a two year deal yet. I dont have the time or the inclination to research who else was out there at the time but this was a clumsy move typical of that regime.
There were 3 LF options that year
Manny Ramirez ( Omar tried, the wilpons said NO )
Alfonso Soriano ( LOL, how did that work out for Chicago )
Moises Alou and his 7 mil salary
So between Soriano’s 120 mil contract and Alou’s 7 mil…which one would you have picked….
You are an epic failure at debating. please sit down
just, now you made me go look it up. there were many other LF options that year. I just picked one at random for you. Mark DeRosa 2007 10-72-293 2008-21-87-285.
Moises signed for 1 yr and an option which omar picked up at 7mm each. He played a half a year in 2007 and 2 weeks in 2008.
Now please justify signing a near 40 broken down player without even waiting to see if his current team offers him arbitration costing a first round pick. I will wait. Now go git yer shoebox.
That would make sense…if Mark DeRosa was actually an OF ….
Mark DeRosa signed with the Cubs to play 2B…
In 2004, he was RELEASED from the BRAVES….because they did not want him…
In 2005, he was picked up by the Rangers…was a utility player…
In 2006, he played half the games in RF, the other half in the infield
In 2007, he signed with Chicago..( who had both a RF and LF ) because he wanted to play in the INFIELD…where has primarily played since
like i said, you suck at debating, you still cant come up with a better option than Moises Alou, you need to site down, you can shine my shoes while you’re down there
according to mlb tracker derosa is listed as a LF. He could play all over the field as you well know. there was a ramirez listed there but it was the third baseman arimis not manny so get your facts straight. other LFs listed there included kenny lofton, jay payton and barry bonds.
You still havent explained how it was a good idea to sign alou before the giants had a chance to offer arbitration.
Ray: The problem with Alou was not pre-07 signing. I have to disagree with you. I think he was a chance worth taking prior to 2007. I mean you could try and make a case that unproven Werth was avail but then you’re demanding Omar catch lightning in a bottle.
The problem with the Alou signing was picking up the club option prior to 2008 after Alou’s health proved to be an issue for the 2nd straight season and not really finding a legitimate backup plan.
Heck, you could have gone after Torii Hunter and signed him instead for 5/90 and you would have gotten your money’s worth then.
There honestly though weren’t many options, but that doesn’t mean a trade couldn’t have happened.
They were stuck with Alou, they took a chance worth taking and it failed and the problem wasn’t that they took the chance, it was they had no backup plan.
Ok..considering Omar inherited a very weak farm system + there were no other legit OF on the free-agent market in 2008 + Moises ended the year healthy and was the Mets top hitter …
From Aug 27 – Sept 30, Moises played almost every game and hit an insane .397
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=aloumo01&t=b&year=2007&share=3.29#1896-1927-sum:batting_gamelogs
Moises from mid-July – September was healthy…
So add up those 3 factors and it is very easy to see why his 7.5 mil option was picked up
Now I will ask you…
who else would you have signed to be our LF in 2008 ?
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I’ve noticed a trend here lately and it still baffles me.
Why do people act like the fact DePodesta and Ricciardi were once GM’s is such a bad thing? And why do people seem to act like Alderson sits in a room with Paul D and Ricciardi and guys like John Ricco have no say? Or the Dir of Pro Scouting isn’t involved in pro discussions more than DePodesta, who’s job has 0 to do with professional scouting?
I am really baffled by this…
The Phillies have Amaro Jr., Ed Wade, Pat Gillick on their payroll.
I just don’t get the focus on the fact that these guys were once GMs all of a sudden. I personally don’t really know what Ricciardi does, but if DePodesta does what every amateur scouting director and development vp does then he has nothing to do with Scott Hairston – so why is he even mentioned?
You missed the point entirely I guess….
It’s not that they were former GMs that people don’t like,
It’s the fact they were both HORRIBLE GMs that everyone has a problem with and they are the guys leading Sandy through the Wishy Washy!
This from a guy who defends Omar. Shall we mention the Colon deal. That is one of the worst trades in the last 25 years. So, if you want to compare track record, no contest. Omar flat out sucked before he got to the Mets. The Wilpons were absolutely stupid to hire him. Yet he spent money so people like you love he…I should say he wasted money. 1 lousy playoff appearance in 6 years. That is truly pathetic.
And as for some of these signings, like guys who have a .150 career BA to send to AAA, the only reason is because Omar provided so much talent that it couldnt get past AA. Thole is the best catcher in the organization after 6 years of drafts? And you are telling me that is a guy you base what a good GM is on? Lest we forget about Jason Bay.
Between the Colon deal and the Bay signing, most sensible people would agree that Omar was a total disaster.
Actually he was with the Mets before he “got to the Mets” he was Steve Phillips assistant and was generally regarded as a highly regarded up and coming baseball executive so know what the hell you’re talking about before you put down your cheese doodles and type.
Secondly, that trade you’re talking about when he was with Montreal, while way still too much to give up for Colon, was made because of the situation the franchise that was supposed to fold that year so he went all out to try and compete. Didn’t work out.
And your comment of “between the Colon deal and the Bay deal” is about the most unfair and prejudiced comment anyone can make when assessing a GM. Omar has a scouting record that your heros Alderson & Depo can only dream of (including Sosa & Juan Gonzalez – who both would later unfortunately move on to steroids)
At least I admit i hate Alderson but do realize that he was a somewhat good baseball man way before he got involved with saber. Your analysis of Omar Minaya is wrong, prejudiced, spiteful, and just flat out intentionally FALSE.
He was NOT a disaster as Mets GM. Injuries were his undoing. Injuries and 2 straight collapses from performances ON THE FIELD. If the Mets win a few big games (and they were quite equipped to) in 2006-2008 he would still be here to see his plan unfold.
And what was that plan? To stay competitive, fight for the postseason and develop the farm. If not for injuries the only other thing I can see Omar being fired for was a third collapse. But it never happened.
Your so full of s**t your eyes must be brown.
..and another thing,
I had a chat here with Joe D during the time of the Omar controversy and while almost everyone was in agreement that him and Jerry Manuel should be fired I had (and I wasn’t the only one) who thought AT THAT TIME IF YOU REMEMBER that the Mets should fire Jerry Manuel and retain Omar Minaya. Yes, I said it at the time because if you remember correctly (and you won’t) that the big story was the blase style of baseball the Mets were playing and I felt, and I think Joe D agreed that firing the Manager and keeping the GM was more important than firing the GM.
Hindsight being 20/20 i wish now it did play out like that because I guarantee you that if Omar Minaya was retained and allowed to hire a new manager most likely it either would have been his buddy Bobby V or Wally Backman and if it was Bobby Valentine I would have LOVED to see Bobby V and Omar work together and field a competitive team on a low budget. That’s what I was saying at the time, buddy.
I bet anybody here the Mets would be in much better shape now if that were the case. But unfortunately it’s not the case and since then the Mets have gone from bad to worse. Mainly because of the decision making of the incompetent FOOL that calls himself a GM now – and there’s three of them to boot!
and i don’t want to hear that “well look how things turned out for Bobby V in Boston”. Just because it didn’t work out for Bobby Valentine in Boston does not mean it would not have worked out if he returned to familiar ground here in New York instead.
Joe D November 18, 2012 at 11:15 am
‘I didn’t like Minaya’s 2009 and 2010 season either. I’m glad they fired him. I was pissed off at the situation. We needed a new perspective.’
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So? Nice try but go back to doing what you do best, which is repeating “Wilpons have no money” and defending your lord.
We had the conversation that I mentioned. If you feel what Joe D says now is not what he said back then you take it up with him. Why do you even attempt to get involved in baseball discussions anyway? Try taking up something that you may know a little about – like financial planning because just because you like baseball doesn’t mean you know anything about it cuz you don’t.
LOL.
Your memory is faulty. Just admit it and move on.
No it’s not. You are completely full of shit. I can’t be more honest than that. I don’t want to put Joe D on the spot but why don’t you ask him privately? Or out here.
That is EXACTLY how the conversation went down. And it was in the shoutbox too.
You made a statement, I saw otherwise as stated here yesterday.
Either you or Joe has a faulty memory. Makes no never mind to me. It’s just not all that important.
Move on already.
And in Joe D’s defense he was not adamant either way, I was the one who was. I remember DISTINCTLY asking him if he had to choose who to fire and who to keep he responded that “probably” it’s best to keep the GM and fire the manager. And that’s because at that time, the indifferent play the Mets exhibited on the field was a huge story and most linked it directly to the way Jerry Manuel managed. Which was true in my opinion.
So what you did was in an attempt to try and make me look bad or wrong you hit the wrong target. Jerk.
This from a guy who defends Omar.
I see how you operate now. You are a selective hater. Omar was under orders to make a trade to go for it because Selig was lining up a buyer. He was a GM in title but really a caretaker for Selig. If you take off you’re own hater cap off maybe you can be more truthful, less deceitful, and more objective.
Ironically Minaya has replaced Alderson in San Diego after he left them high and dry.
And you watch Omar Minaya be one of the main architects of rebuilding San Diego and fixing the mess Alderson left behind.
Irony is a b*tch isn’t it?
Are you that stupid that you think calling me an Omar defender is an insult?
I got news for you dude….
Omar leads Sandy in Met Playoff appearances 1 to nothing!
Leads Sandy in Competitive seasons 3 to none!
SO saying I defend a guy who had some modicum of success and thinking your insulting me is really proof just how dumb you really are and a good reason WHY you support this loser Alderson!
Depo was Dodgers GM for 2 yrs.
First year playoffs
Second year, horrendous injuries crippled team. Two LA journalists despised DePo and mocked him continuously in the papers, calling him Google boy. The heat got so bad, Frank McCourt caved to the pressure and fired him. If that’s a fair shake, then you can take that job and shove it.
Two seasons…that’s it. Hardly enough time to build “your team” using your philosophy.
Saying he was bad just to say it without knowing the details is ignorant.
Now, if you want to say Ricchardi was bad, I’d say that would be an under statement.
“First year playoffs”
off roster he inherited
But Omar and Phillips both made playoffs in only 2nd year with roster they inherited too, lol.
“Second year, horrendous injuries crippled team”
Just remember that when people discuss 2009 and Omar Minaya. But I get it, it’s one of the saber guys so these injuries are different. But Omar? He should have been prepared for an entire roster (including pitchers) getting hurt and he should have prepared suitable backups for the injured backups who backed up the injured backups who backed up the injured starters.
Obviously the folks in LA don’t need three years to tell when a GM sucks!
THIS!!!!!!!!!
Do you ever stop sucking up to these guys? What is your deal?
Yup….and how many interviews for GM positions has Paul Depo been on since getting fired 6 years ago ?
0-Zero
Nope, he’s not greedy.. He’s all about winning.. He wants to win and could care less about the money.. Yeah, My ASS!!!!!!
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11/20/report-david-wright-less-than-thrilled-with-mets-offer/
Have to imagine Dickey is also less than thrilled at the initial offers, since no extension has been announced yet.
This is more indicative of this organization’s mindset right now, then on these 2 players – IMO.
Dickey is not going to sign a thing until he sees what happens with Wright.
Why commit to a team that has commitment issues?
SRT. can i be honest? I think, and this is my 2 cents.. I think the FO is trying to “Insult” them with offers they know they’ll refuse to trade them both, then have an excuse for the mass who will blame them for doing this. i wish i am right and both of these guys get traded but for the right reasons, which is improve the team going forward, not to just clear salary to then sign POS’s like francisco and rauch…
Alex…now here’s something I agree with you on.
All they want is a fair offer, do not want to be insulted. More so Dickey, IMO.
Maybe it is a ‘plot’ to be able to say: ‘see, we made them an offer and they refused it. They’re being unreasonable so we have to trade them.’
I just don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes.
I said all along though that the only chance they have to re-sign either is give them a fair offer, not an insulting one just for show.
Hi Alex,
Make that three who agree with your conspiracy theory. Their past behavior shows that have no integrity when it comes to the public.