21
2012
Phillies Could Let Juan Pierre Go, Might Be A Good Stopgap For Mets
An article by 
Jim Salisbury of CSN Philly looks at which corner outfielders the Phillies are likely to keep or are on their way out. Among the ones who could be free agents are Juan Pierre, Laynce Nix, and Ty Wigginton.
I have a mild interest in Wigginton, but Pierre may be a better fit for the team and he shouldn’t be too costly. Here is what Salisbury writes:
Juan Pierre
For a guy who lingered on the free-agent market into January and came to camp on a minor-league deal, Pierre made a huge contribution in 2012 and was a bargain at $800,000. He made 98 starts in left field, ranked second on the team in batting average (.307), tied for second in hits (121) and third in on-base percentage at .351. He also led the team with 37 steals and was caught just seven times.
In addition to his contributions on the field, Pierre was one of the most prepared and professional players to come through the Phillies’ clubhouse in years. He never took a play off. If Pierre wants to stay in baseball after his playing days, some organization would be wise to hire him to mentor young players on the art of being a big-leaguer. The guy has a baseball IQ that is off the charts and excellent people skills. Future manager? You heard it here first.
Despite Pierre’s contribution in 2012, the Phillies face a tough decision regarding the 35-year-old’s future. There are indications that the team would like to add more of a power bat in left field. Pierre also hits left-handed on a team that is heavy in left-handed bats. The heart says bring Pierre back, but the head says the Phillies may go in a different direction.
Pierre has been incredibly consistent over the last three seasons and has averaged 150 games per season in that span. He would certainly give the team such much needed speed, would be a better leadoff hitter than Andres Torres, and fills a need in the outfield. He’s just a slap-hitting, singles guy with the occasional triple, but he still does a good job of rattling a pitcher’s concentration and can lay down a bunt. He’s a great contact hitter and averages only 38 strikeouts a season in his career. The fact that he knows the game and has great fundamentals won’t hurt either especially if it rubs off on some of the other players.
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Too bad he can’t play CF.
How bout changing yr related story section on the bottom. Everything is old and irrelevant
I’m pretty sure that is done via a script and meta tags automatically.
So is Juan Pierre so it maintains a theme.
Do it,
Runs 1039 Hits 2141 Double 244 Triples 92 RBI 509 SB 591 BA .297 OBP .346 .His career average season would make him in the top three in almost every non-power category, he is in fantastic shape and a good role model. He should also come really really cheap. Give him an incentive laden deal. Also, get Wiggington, we should never really have let him go.
I don’t have a big problem going after Pierre.
Folks who insist we are (or should be) building from within should though.
But then again anyone who thinks that is the plan here (build from within) certainly hasn’t been paying attention.
I mean you don’t trade a 29/30 year old for a 34 year old who hits worse and a 30 year old Bullpen arm who can’t get anyone out. You didn’t get Younger or build from within in that deal.
You don’t trade 25 Year old with Arb years ahead of him straight up for a 32 Year old who goes FA at the end of the year.
You don’t trade a guy who has been a great closer for years for two kids that are not top prospects either…
And you don’t let one of your best homegrowns leave for compensation picks especially ones that are less than a 1st rounder. You MIGHT trade him to get a top prospect that is better than anything that 1st round could get you but you don’t just passively or willfully let him leave for an undertermined return that could be less than the best compensation available.
And finally if your REALLY rebuilding from within you don’t pass on signing half a draft!
So anyone who really thinks we are building from within is hiding from the fact that Beltran is the only deal we have made to date that actually fits that plan and all the rest say we are not rebulding at all we are just selling off everything at a loss.
Think about this the next time someone suggests trading Davis, Niese, Gee or Murphy.
Think about if the proposed deal actually fits the build from within mantra…
I bet it won’t. I bet it’s just the typical fantasy baseball approach of making a move because it’s fun to make a move and does little for the rebuild or future success of the franchise.
I agree Davis and Niese are untouchable. Murphy, Duda and Gee I love. But they are not untocuhable.
I ask you is making DW untouchable really rebuilding by not even listening to offers for prospects who within two years can contribute to make us a a contending team. The idea is not keep homegrown but to build a ten year winner and not a window of only three years. Is signing expensive FA building or playing fantasy baseball.
It’s a lot closer to a rebuilding than Trading a 29 YO away for a 30 and 34 year old or Shoppach for a kid who still has years of arbitration is!
And DEFINITLY closer to rebuilding than NOT signing half your 2012 Draft class!
You are right. However Beato did blame Thole: The Mets made a decision not to tender him. Was this correct? I do not know. Does the ends justify if Beato has an outstanding year. The Red Sox’s my have a new cancer in the clubhouse.
So did Byrdak whic means we still have two potential cancers to go…Byrdak and Shoppach.
Thole was one of the worst defensive catchers in all of baseball..
Pedro Beato threw a wild pitch that brought the tying run home. Catcher Josh Thole couldn’t corral it.
When asked about the play, Beato said, “unfortunately, Thole wasn’t able to get to it.”
and what beato said wasnt even that bad…if this was KC…it never makes the papers…
but in a gossip hungry NY…anything outside the ordinary Derek Jeter / David Wright / Mitt Romney school of talking for 30 minutes and saying nothing…anything outside of that becomes news…
“unfortunately, Thole wasnt able to get to it”
thats it…
if u want to see some real quotes, I can show u the one where Doc Gooden says his team is full of pu**ies now that Keith, Straw, Mitchell, Lenny, Wally, Cone are gone…
yes, he actually suggested that the team could be a bunch of pu**ies now…
If any met not named David Wright ( or RA Dickey ) were to say that…u guys would be packing his bags on the 1st flight out of town
This is the problem with NY met fans in 2012…
u guys take any little thing and attach the word clubhouse cancer to the player forever…
It’s funny. A few years ago, when he was on his way out from LA, I was the only one here wanting Pierre as a Met. For some unknown reason, people hated him. I still want Pierre to join the Mets. I’d rather have him on defense in LF than Duda.
That had to trade the 29 yr old. He was a depressed head case,,,lazy, is how it was put here by one of the writers.
Stop all this rebuilding/ not rebuilding crap. You watch the team and pay attention, right? You seem as if you think you’re pretty smart about this, correct? Well then, you know what’s going on, but maybe I’ll fill you in because what your saying is useless.
The Mets will operate near to, but not exceeding a 100 million dollar payroll. We all know why, they are bleeding cash. Fred W has already stated that they can’t increase the payroll until the attendance rises(it’s dropped steadily for three yrs now).
So, because all their other monies(SNY, naming rights, merchandise, etc) are being funneled into decreasing all their other debt, the teams payroll stays stagnant until they fill Citifield again. Also, because they have to come up with the 100 million to pay the teams payroll, they can’t just say the team is rebuilding. They must at least try to sell the fans that there’s a chance they’ll be a winner, just to sell as many tickets as possible. This is a mandate from ownership. THEY don’t want a rebuild.
This is all common knowledge to all Mets fans. Yet you act as if you’re being insulted because they traded Pagan and Beato? Two guys who definately aren’t prospects anymore and also two guys who wore out their welcome.
You brought up K-Rod… Wow, um, that trade wasn’t ever about stocking the system. It was about a 17.5 million dollar option that was easily attainable by finishing, not closing, finishing 55 games. That was a great trade, to a team on the players no trade list.
Reyes? Come on! If they traded him at the deadline when he was leading the league in batting average most of the fan base would have gone to Citi and torched the place. Maybe not you cause you’re too smart, but most wouldn’t have liked that deal. There was too much “sign Reyes” banners and chants at the stadium.
The Wilpons have handcuffed this team and their GM. It’s amazing how anyone on this site gets pummeled for being a Sandy sympathizer, and everyone is blind to the restraints he’s operating under.
I agee 100%: SA was hired via Selig to cut payroll and keep the Wilpons as owners during claw back suit of Madoff trustees through Picard. SA was NOT hired to make the Mets competitive during this period. Yes their are other issues such as Citi Field bonds and albatrose contacts which limit payroll. I think ownership thinks most of SA moves accomplished the purpose he was hired for. The Wilpons are also not getting the pre Madoff scandal 18% return on investments. If Selig let the Wilpons fail and did not support them as he did not with Frank Mc Court then we would be competitive.
So if the goal is to fix the finances stop trying to mke a plan about money into a plan about rebuilding because we have not rebuilt a thing and I dar anyone of you to name the moves that have!
ANyone of you dare to take that challenge?
Name the moves that are going to rebuild us.
The world awaits!
The job of SA was to rebuild the Wilpons net worth. Happy now!
Trade for Wheeler
Signed Niese 5 years 25 M
Let Reyes go and gave the job to Tejeda
Try to develop Parnell via Sandy Koufax coaching in ST
Had tryout of ST pitchers the last month in six man rotation
Clear roster of deadwood in anticipation of Rule 5 draft
Last two amatuer draft picks at No1 were position players
Handled Harvey properly when bought up and shut him down right time
Gave Valdespin a chance and he is in winter ball
Got rid of old unproductive 2b and made it into an open competition of kids that Murphy won got injured and came back as the definitive starter.
Brought up young bullpen pitchers to take the place of ineffective bullpen pitchers that he signed or were already here.
Signed a ton of international players, no idea how it compares to normal.
And replaced that 2B with a guy that was ALREADY HERE!
They lost 23 Mil last year so if he was supposed to rebuild the WIlpon Wealth he failed missrably at that too!
Signing niese ,Tejada and Parnell isn’t REBUILD they were already here no thanks to Sandy!
and the whole reason for letting Reyes go was because he got hurt and Tejada missed more games than Reyes did!
Making room for kid protection is PRESERVATION not REBUILD!
Handling Harvey properly is hardly somethign Sandy earned and AGAIN not a guy who Sandy brought here!
Valdespin got a chance and why?
Because Sandy traded the only two GOOD starting OFers we had!
Yep you got Wheeler and thats it….
A 23M loss instead of 60 M loss is a step in the right direction. That is for the Wilpons. Omar would have traded Niese instead of singning him under a team favorable contract. Harvey could have been rushed in his development like Mejia to appease the fans. Reyes could have been signed long term and tie up financial flexability when as with Wright we could not win with them. We are in a super strong division. Personally I would have given up on Parnell like we did with Health Bell who had a productive career except last year.Parnell may be turning the corner. Again bad contracts and the Wilpon’s Madoff mess are the reason not SA. However now that the Picard suit is over SA has to start rebuilding so he can say “I really rebuilt that.” I grant you this the clock is running.
At the expense of good basball!
You also paid 5 Games in the win column for that saved money!
Again he is not rebuilding the TEAM if all you have to say he has improved is Wilpon’s financial situation because if thats the barometer his Lawyer did a far better rebuilding job on the team by his win in the Madoff case than Sandy has done as the lawyer saved them close to 800 Million compared to Sandy’s paultry 55 Million.
Metsie I raise the white flag. SA is awful. We should get back Phillips, Duquette and Minaya to be the new Mets FO triumvirate. They will spend to your hearts content.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A0S00MniaoVQzGEALmP7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBrc3VyamVwBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQD?p=peggy+lee+hey+big+spender&vid=18D13E99A7E1707B856618D13E99A7E1707B8566&l=&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.4746429257154632%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCFsSC_qAGlQ&tit=Peggy+Lee+-+Big+Spender&c=0&sigr=11apb41bv&&tt=b
Soemthing you may not know….
None of the SPENDERS lost a dime!
With the exception of Omar and the 50 Mil which increased to 70 mil once Sandy took over in a year’s worth of work.
Your problem is you tend to think just being here and cutting payroll constitutes rebuilding regardless of the fact there is no improvement on the baseball aspects of this team at all!
None that wasn’t already here other than Wheeler who we gave up a great player to get!
Actually it was Phillip’s keen trades and good early signings that Mets got into contention and went into the playoffs 2 straight years for the first time in their history.
But you don’t like that. You don’t like the GMs that brought winning to this franchise. I loved it, enjoyed it and went to those playoff games. Believe me it’s probably something you will never experience.
But you don’t like them, you like Sandy – go figure
Mo Vaughn. Remember him. Yes he got Mike Hampton who left for better schools. The 2000 NL Champs were a “built for now team”. I want a built to be competive for a sustained period.
Minya also had a short window of competetive teams. They both had money to work with and left bad contracts, respectively. Did you see this link which I posted earlier? I reposted it below: The Mets were ranked dead last in spending money wisely. Kaz Matsui? I need not name present bad contracts pre-Alderson. Alderson Wheeler of a deal and Niese under control for five years at a reasonable if not bargain salary. Picard law suit was pending but now done. Yes Wilpons survived like it or not. The clock is now officially running on SA to rebuild this team.
http://www.athlonsports.com/mlb/which-mlb-teams-spend-wisely
Ah, Mo Vaughn. I knew that was coming. Too bad you left out a few other players he obtained, let me remind you:
- Turk Wendell
- Dennis Cook
- Al Leiter
- Shawon Dunston (for the stretch drive)
- Robin Ventura
- Todd Zeile (when Olerud decided to leave after hemming and hawing for months)
- Benny Agbayani
- Todd Zeile (guy was delivering pizza one day, post-season hero the next if that were Sandy you guys would have carried his statue from here to Arizona
- Wright & Reyes were signed under his leadership among a few other future stars
- Traded Charles Johnson for Armando Benitez
There’s a whole lot more, both good and not so good moves but i’ll stop there.
You can just bring up Mo Vaughn, though – which is post 1999-2000
“I want a built to be competive for a sustained period.”
Ok Tell us all the players Sandy has brought in to make that happen….
oh but you can bring up a couple of good contract signings though like Nieses (even though the story is yet to be told and who knows he may even be traded).
I’m talking about results and WINNING. Come talk to me when the Mets are fighting for the post season then you’ll have my ear. But i do feel sorry for people who, for some reason, hate the GMs that brought the most happiness to Mets fans.
Metsie these people have absolutely NO IDEA what the hell they’re talking about. They read a book, thing that’s the way everything should be done now and everybody else did a terrible job even though those were some of the happiest days some Mets fans will ever feel for years to come. I miss that and I don’t care WHO the GM was i only like them because they won and I didn’t know who the HELL they were before they became Mets GM.
Now it’s the other way around, they douse themselves with champagne when 1) Sandy is hired 2) There will be no champagne being poured during his tenure here that’s for sure….even thought most likely his legacy will NOT EVEN BE CLOSE to the legacy of Omar and Phillips.
The problems is they think tearing down is building…
But when you take away you have less not more!
They have deluded themselves into thinking some rebuilding has gone on or will happen later despite the fact that most moves made are counter to what they want to see happen.
Of the trades so far…
Two have been trades of younger guys for older guys.
Two have been trades of All stars and only one of the kids returned has any worth.
One All Star HOMEGROWN was sent away for 2nd round consolation prizes and the vherry on top is failure to sign half our draft who would constitute future building blocks for thier expected rebuild!
We are not rebuilding the TEAM…
They may be correct that he is rebuilding Wilpons stability but that doesn’t get them what they CLAIM to want, consistent and long lived competitive franchise!
I think it’s just thier way of dealing with bad news, Try to convince themselves everything is going as planned to feel better about the truth.
In a way they are similar to Sandy in that regard, Putting off tomorrow what they should start to do today!
Denins Cook was pitiful when the Mets won the pennant. An absolute joke you’d tout him as “keen” and shows a clear bias. And Turk Wendell shows a clear hypocrisy. His 1999-2000 stats were similar to Rauch was this year. Wendell had a slightly better ERA but Rauch overall pitched far better. Again, a bias to the GM who made the acquisition and nothing about real baseball.
Everyone else was older or bargain basement or a reclamation project or injured or just bit players. The same players you kill Alderson for signing.
stats.
Good, you talk stats i’ll talk back to back post season appearances. That’s the stat i care most about.
Back to back post season appearances and plenty of champagne. But you can keep talking “stats”
I’ll talk about the sum being greater than the individual parts, winning, and champagne – and it was FUN and I loved those teams.
But you can talk about individual “stats” and hating the 2 GMs that ACTUALLY HAD SUCCESS HERE and you can praise a bum that has done nothing but tear the team apart, throw in the towel, and as Joe D pointed out in so many words – alienated other GMs at the meetings thereby reducing the Mets chances of success even LESS.
I will take Omar Minaya and Steve Phillips ANY DAY over this current STINKIN’ BUM who runs this franchise now with the personality of kerosene.
What you’re doing is A) ignoring the fact that I’m right and B) painting it with a read broad brush stroke and completely ignoring that Valentine had much more to do with those seasons than Phillips did, and what really put them over the top was Piazza, who Phillips wouldn’t even have sniffed if it wasn’t for Minaya telling him how to make the trade work. And don’t forget Alfonzo, who was signed before Phillips had any sort of significant role in the front office.
that’s like me saying your God NEVER gets Zack Wheeler if Omar Minaya doesn’t sign Beltran.
And “sum greater than the individual parts” includes the manager.
You are your stupid numbers, excuses, and rationalizations ought to take a hike. All of you, including your GM.
The sooner your GM and your ilk are GONE from the Mets the better. Then the winning will resume again.
and you selectively chose to discuss Dennis Cook? Okay, let’s talk about Todd Pratt instead? Who gets credit instead of Phillips? The guy who took the call at the Pizza Parlor?
Who’s next to selectively chose to make a point?
You think that makes me what…wrong? While it’s foolish of you to think that the only player in the world the Giants would have traded Wheeler for was Beltran, you’re 100% right that it was a great trade to get Wheeler for Beltran and it was a great signing to get Beltran here in the first place. So if you’re right about that, and you said yourself it’s just like what I was saying, I guess we can agree on the fact that Phillips was a terrible GM, and the only real good things about the teams he was GM for actually had nothing to do with him.
And on another note, I feel sorry for you if you were pleased with the state of the Mets before Sandy arrived. If that’s true, then it just proves that you have no concern about winning, just about the philosophy under which the Mets are run. Six postseasons in 49 years? Two championships? That makes you happy?
xtreem, i will ask you something.. what have we won under SA? Just a simple question…
Todd Pratt did some nice things for the Mets. My family’s brick is by Pratt. But he was a backup catcher, not a game-changer. He was the bottom of the barrel, bargain bin signing you kill Sandy for making. You’re a hypocrite, plain and simple.
Ah, the last 49 years.
They always resort to that when there’s nothing else. This coming from the “show me the evidence first” crowd.
Funny how all the “evidence” is GONE when it comes to Sandy. We’re just supposed to hope and pray for him to succeed even though the “evidence” points to the exact OPPOSITE and any signs of a bright future are a product of Omar Minaya’s & Steve Phillip’s tenures as GMs.
But they are terrible. Sandy is not. Even though there is no evidence to support it. Sandy will change everything going forward – just believe it cuz there’s no evidence.
Just some more ranting that doesn’t actually say anything. You said the winning will resume when Sandy’s gone. What winning were you speaking of? One division title to show for the highest payroll in the league?
“…and what really put them over the top was Piazza, who Phillips wouldn’t even have sniffed if it wasn’t for Minaya telling him how to make the trade work”
That was a quote from Xtreemly *****
Can anybody vouch for that? This is the very first time that I have ever heard that Omar Minaya was involved in the Piazza trade. Usually when people want to discredit one of the Mets most successful GMs they say the Wilpons were behind the Piazza trade. But Minaya involved? I never heard of it. If true it’s brand new to me.
I searched on the web for anything to substantiate it but found nothing. Anybody have any….”evidence” of this being true?
Not everyone.
Some of us do realize the financial mess the Wilpons put this team in.
Every single move made since the end of the 2010 season, including the hiring of this current FO – is a direct result of ownership’s financial problems with this team.
yep including the misuse of funds spent on Frank Frank and Rauch, Carrasco among many other questionable moves that even your comrades at AA realize, but not you.
BTW why don’t you come up with some of your own trade scenarios, player movement moves one day. It’ll be a change from “Wilpons have no money”
rauch was good.
Rauch was good?? Ok, if Rauch was good, and everyone agrees with that notion, i will give you his number and another player’s number and see if yu would say the same thing ok?
Jon Rauch 3-7 3.59 4 SVS 4 BS 57 IP 0.988 WHIP salary of $3.5 Million
Unamed Player 2-6 3.34 1 SV 3 BS 56 IP 1.30 WHIP Salary of $3.6 Million
Now, since most of you like to use numbers as a stopgap, i will want you to say that if rauch was good, then the guy i used the numbers for was good as well…
Rauch was awful the first have, and was very improved the 2nd half, with the except of the last week of the season.
sorry – first half – not have
Same could be said for Acosta is he good now too?
Acosta was even BETTER than Rauch in the second half!
Actually if you look at Rauch’s BAA he was very good all but for May and September having a BAA under .200 every other month.
So, when the team was good and every win count and matter he was awful, but when the season when into the tank he then became good?? Do you maybe think it had something to do with him being, idk, a free agent? And improve his performance to get paid? Not very encouraging to pay a guy to be awful when it counts but good when the pressure is totally off… Very wrightesque if ask me..
Ah the random David Wright shot.
So by this theory David Wright tanked in the 2nd half because he was no longer thinking about the extension?
Your box got pulled LOL. How are you going to deal man?
I might go to the desert and start chatting up with some of you guys, since you guys like to talk about us so much over there while we’re not around, it’s time for the CORE to pay a visit to the desert and straighten things out….
Alex you are more than welcome to come to the oasis anytime. It is a shame that you guys were brought up again last week I didn’t see it until the other day since I was in Mississippi on a business trip. There are others there that did speak up to that concern as well because they don’t want to hear about either. I assume what they were talking about is what was the final straw for the box being removed so to me it looks like they were blowing off some frustrations and Mr. NJ put a cap on things.
I was not here over the weekend nor usually are, i am not aware of what happened or didn’t, but i can assure you that if Mr NJ was involved, i know of one person that does not like him whatsoever that might’ve created that situation… However, before assuming or speculating about what happened,i am sure joe D can have a better explanation of what was going on or what happend to the SB..
And thanks but no thanks, I don’t think i’d go to the desert anytime soon…
Actually the shoutbox was cut to save Wilpon Money!
Or was it because Joe is Rebuilding the site?
LOL
Actually what he meant was NJ put a stop to anyone discussing MMO. While we would like that neither site ever address the other in comments, the problem is that many of us frequent MMO, TRDM, MB and AA so they are bound to come up.
However, most of the conversation was about the groups in general and not specific people.
Face it, every time you guys get a chance you bash some of us here, which is ok, it’s obvious we’re in your thoughts, that’s fine, however, as i said before, you as the leader of the desert should put an end to anyone ever commenting about the CORE in your place since you don’t like us talking about SRT and others
Alex, don’t think yourself so lucky. We don’t talk about mythical groups such as the core anymore than unicorns and the sandman and the boogie man. They are all figments of imagination that are either designed to get a magic wish, send you to sleep or scare you away.
Very Wrightesq? Really? Oh no, you don’t hate the guy, otherwise why would you try and instigate something when you were talking about Rauch?
Funny, because when the team was winning this year, Wright was on fire, some would call that carrying a team (Unless said player having a good is season Wright of course), funny you make a false argument about one person when they say they don’t think Beltran is a candidate and make it something it is not, accusing of hate and other disgusting hateful things (despite the FACT, that others had similar opinions). Hmmm perhaps we have a role reversal going on here………no that would never happen right/wright?
Davis was also guy that picked it up the second half when the team wasn’t winning, not a mention of him playing well when the pressure was off…..
How about Reyes having the best year of his career on his walk year? If that gets mentioned then you’re a “hater”.
That second guy put way to many runners on base and left them for the next reliever to have to deal with and most likely inflated the pitcher before him’s ERA. Whoever that is.
‘BTW why don’t you come up with some of your own trade scenarios, player movement moves one day. ‘
Why? What would be the point?
Because he has nothing to make fun of you on so he’s hoping you slip up.
LOL.
Regulars over at TRMB know I suck at these trade proposals and hardly ever propose them.
Just keeping it honest.
Yeah that headcase helped his team get into the playoffs!
So much for listening to writers player evaluations…
And We all would just widh you guys would make up your mind one way or the other…
Are they rebuilding or are they liquidating to save money…
Which is it already and stop trying to bounce back and forth as if they are the same thing because only an idiot would think they are!
Lol, Juan Pierre can’t play Cf, his arm in LF needs a cady.
take torres, turn all the walks into weak singles and this is what you get. he sucks.
If the Phillies let Pierre go – another team who has virtually no OF right now, there’s a reason…..
Pass.
I’ll take Juan Pierre for $1 million, sure why not? He’ll have to play in LF but he’d definitely be the most productive outfielder in the house. Kirk Nieuwenhuis had more K’s in 2012 than Pierre had in the last 4 years. Pierre also had more stolen bases than every Met outfielder put together. I’d take Pierre any day.
I like Pierre but not sure I’d be comfortable saying he “has to be a starter.”
Pierre always seems to be a guy who can step in for a short term when the team needs. He got replaced by Druw Jones and Manny and when things went south there he stepped right in.
I think he’s been designated a backup every year since 2007 – and since then he’s averaged 146 games a year.
So having him on your roster can be a blessing and a curse!
I think the Mets need MORE veterans like him that wont cost you a ton but can help change the culture in flushing.
so some idiots really are the reason that our shoutbox is gone??? shame on you guys , some of us enjoyed a GOOD and NICE talk . Sad ,only cause of 2-3 people . SAD
RIP the SHoutbox…
You keep expecting a Plan to make the team better. The only plan is to wait out the bad contracts and truly build a good team in 2014!!!!!
See, I can use exclamation point too!!!! Your use of them is just as dumb as the points you’re trying to make!!!!! Stop expecting a winning team. If in 2014 this team isn’t in the playoffs, then you’d have an argument against the GM.
Until then, picking apart every single move is just a waste of perfectly good exclamation points! Honestly, anyone who hasn’t figured out Sandy’s motives by now and actually rags on the guy for this team sucking, really doesn’t have a clue and hasn’t been paying attention the past two and a half years. Period.
Yeah for that money you think your saving (Which comes out to around 26 million if attendance doesn’t drop again) you expect to buy Three OFers, a Catcher, a Bullpen and a 3B (because Wright will be gone) and compete in 2014?
You should go to the Middle East and get a peace settlement because thats easier to do than what you think is going to happen in 2014!
Yes you can use Exclamation points…But they are worthless unless they are preceeded by actual and factual points that can be believed.
Otherwise your just shouting wishful thinking!