Mar
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2012
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2012
Matt Harvey Rebounds With Impressive Outing Against Braves
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Mets’ top prospect Matt Harvey may have suffered from a case of the jitters during his first spring start against the Nationals, but he was anything but jittery today against the Atlanta Braves.
This of course isn’t going to change the fact that that he’ll be starting the season in the minors and was told by Terry Collins that he will not make the team, but it’s certainly great to see a performance like this from one of our most highly touted pitching prospects.
Nice job by the kid…
And in other news, this just in from the Mets Twitter…
Did someone say they wanted a blue wall?
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Just following on Gameday but the pitching as a whole looked pretty good – except for Gee. Looks like he was responsible for 5 hits and 2 runs over 2 innings. No walks though with one strikeout.
Much more excited about Harvey’s 2 innings.
good to see they at least have any wall I was starting to think they were going to open the season with that orange plastic temporary construction netting out there!
and nice to see a good outing out of Harvey. If nothing else, a nice confidence boost. Now go down and work on his tick list (nail down the curve/change/whatever), then dominate with a complete arsenal, and make his case for a call up.
The better Harvey does, the better Pelfrey looks somewhere else. Hopefully by late summer.
Right on! But by the time Harvey is ready for the big club, Big Pelf may not have any takers.
Wow Harvey, starting to believe he’s real deal, Met brass wont admit it but will be tough to hold him until Sept if he takes a big step forward in command ect.
And those Shea walls are AWESOME, don’t know why they didnt do that to Citi originally..
It’s a shame that no matter how great he performs this spring he won’t be rewarded with an opening day spot in the rotation but Mike Pelfrey not matter what will be. Great sign to the young kids.
It’s absolutely disgusting that they have already decided what to do with those 2 kids on March 9. Even if that was their intentions all along at LEAST let the kids battle it out for the whole month and if they were to continue to impress into the last 2 weeks of ST when things get more serious then maybe you can revisit your decision.
But do decide now? It’s ridiculous totally philosophy based. A philosophy that has no basis in producing wins in a competitive sense. None whatsoever. It’s only a philosophy based on computation of figures whether they are financial or statistical.
And that’s a good point – what if Pelfrey simply has lost it? I know it’s only the first ST start and he can turn it around but what if is completely lost his confidence and turns into a David Clyde or Steve Blass (or whatever other example someone wants to use).
If he can’t compete at the major league level anymore than he should be cut and unfortunately it would be another contract that the Holy Trinity would have to eat.
Any of these scenarios can come into play and absolutely they can have an idea of what they want to do but to go public with it? And to make a decision now? It’s dumb and they pulled this crap last year
It’s not like Harvey is 18 or 19, by the end of this month he’ll be 23. He had a good college career and last year Wally Backman his manager at AA felt that he was ready to be called up in September.
If Harvey has a great Spring reward him by giving him a shot at the major league level. He’ll have plenty of options left, if he struggles he goes back down and knows now exactly what to work on in the minors to get back up to the majors.
This season is lost anyway instead of going with guys who have proven they can’t play at the major league level let’s see what the kids can do.
If this season is over as you say, that would be even less the reason to rush someone up here especially someone who projects to be a major difference maker over a 6-10 year period.
Very, very rare is the college pitcher who is truly a finished enough product to be successful in the Majors after just one year in the minors. Extremely rare and for what? In a season you think will be lost? Get his age 23 season and risk not getting his 29 year old season and for what? So we can slow his development and put doubt in his head? What possible sense does that make?
Typical monkeyball thinking. **** the future we want everything now. Ask Pelfrey, Mejia, Kunz, Vargas, Niese, Humber, Stoner and Parnell how that worked out for them.
What scenarios? The fantasy one’s you’ve made up in your head?
Way to get all emotional about the first 4 innings of ST.
What do you want to do, turn two of our best pitching prospects into ANOTHER Mike Pelfrey by not giving them the chance to work things through before they move up to the Majors?
Your hysterical.
Monkeyball is over with. Decisions now get made with both the present and the future in mind and sometimes that even means that the future may take precedence over the present once in a while but after 20 years of never giving any thought to the future what do you expect? Especially with the results we’ve experienced? More of the same?
What did we get out of all the guys we rushed up here anyway? Nothing that’s what. Pelfrey, Niese, Stoner, Kunz, Parnell, Humber and Jason Vargas all showed one thing, they weren’t even close to ready and you want more of the same.
Typical monkeyball thinking. Fast track anyone who shows anything and get the least possible out of them instead of the most.
Good thinking.
Dude if he is mowing through MLB batters then pray tell what exactly is he supposed to work on? His MiL bus ethics?
Rushing a kid is promoting him BEFORE he shows any nsign of success!
Pelfrey wasn’t rushed/promoted because of hiow great he was he was promoted because we needed starting pitching and he was the only one available!
Thats a much different scenario than a guy who pitches well and deserves to stay because he is getting the job done and because he is pitching well enough to REPLACE/IMPROVE the starting rotation you have set!
Sure it is possible to rush a kid no one says that can’t/never happen but by the same token it is possible to keep a kid down too long especially when he is 23+ and has on;ly 5 years before the Youth Brigade starts complaining about his advanced age at 28!
He should get another start!
If he pitches lights out then give him one more!
There is no rush to NAME him to the MLB roster but there is also no rush to send him off to Kiddyland when he appears to be ahead of most MLB batters either!
Rushing is the act of promoting a kid based on NON-PERFORMANCE criteria!
Promotion to the MLB should be all ABOUT Performcnce, not time or innings or age!
If a kid is 19 and hitting .350 then I don’t care about his age he should make the team and Start!
He should play where his performance says he deserves to play!
Not what some calendar says!
“Mowing guys down” in his first 4 innings of ST. That’s a good one.
Pitchers are always ahead of hitters early in ST to begin with, lets see how he handles AA hitters the 2nd time around an move him up to AAA.
Pelfrey dominated AA hitters his first pro season in 12 starts and hasn’t done much since.
Yep lets just wait until he’s 33 so we can be SURE he is not another Pelfrey!
metsie and make no mistake about it – teams like the 1973 Mets and even the 1969 Mets do not happen these days with Sandy Alderson as GM. Those teams are ripped apart before they ever have a chance to compete under Alderson’s way of operation.
Make NO Mistake about it. That’s why I say the slogan now has been revised to be “You Gotta Be Sure” instead of “You Gotta Believe”
It’s the new Close-to-the-vest basball, Let-the-other-guy-make-the-first-move basball.
The 1969 and 1973 Mets teams do not exist if Sandy Alderson is the GM – no way.
Can you imagine Swoboda, Weiss, Kranepool, Grote, Dyer, Harrelson, Clendenon, Charles and their less than Alderson-esque OBP’s making the grade in 1969? I think not.
Ripped apart. Alderson dismantled the A’s when the team was sold and payroll ordered to be slashed.
He didn’t trade any young guys like were on the ’69 Mets. He traded a 30 year old closer and a 35 year old RFer who would have left nothing behind in two months for a top level starting pitching prospect.
Minaya wouldn’t have given 90% of those guys a chance because he wanted a 35-45 year old former All Star at every position and Phillips would have traded them all before they made the Majors, for guys like Mo Vaughn, Jeremy Burnitz, Roberto Alomar, Kevin Appier, David Weathers, Roger Cedeno, Billy Taylor, Chuck Mcleroy, Bobby Bonilla, and Mel Rojas.
That said Bayonne and I’m not arguing against what you said, but they don’t get made by guys like Grant either! LOL
You have to play the FA market and that doesn’t mean picking from the cheap scraps that lay around!
there is a reason why they are cheap!
No one who has a decent team wants them!
What is really disgusting is that Pelfrey and Kunz were up here in their first professional season.
I think Met Fans all pretty much agree that we could have done a much better job with both of these guys yet some are falling into the same old trap. Rush ‘em out of need, watch them become less than they could be, criticize and bash them and call for them to be run out of town.
They never learn. That’s what’s disgusting.
Of all the pitchers we’ve brought up here recently only one has really pitched well right off the bat. A guy who doesn’t have the stuff to win but has variety and smarts. Dillon Gee. Not a great pitcher by any stretch but a guy who gets the most out of himself. That’s what I want out of Harvey and Familia. To get the most possible out of them. To combine their great talent with as much knowledge and refinement as possible and then unleash them on the National League, Not 1/2 a season after getting to the high minors.
Gee had 39 starts in AAA, Niese had 24 and another 22 in AA. Pelfrey had 12 in AA and 2 in AAA. So far Familia has 17 AA starts and Harvey 12.
Give ‘em time, they need it.
Even if Harvey is not to make the big league team, who’s to say he won’t be up not long into the season if he continues to blaze through the minors? Think Ike Davis a few years ago. I understand why they wanna be cautious with the kid. On a side note, I wonder if Collin McHugh will be starting out in AAA Buffalo this season after the way he dominated in AA Binghamton. We could use him in the rotation as well if Gee struggles out the gate. Pelfrey isn’t the only guy who’s “endangered species”.
As I suspected his first start was all about proving he belongs and nerves.
That out of the way he settled in and did his work and was successful!
I say give him another start and see what he does.
No rush either way here on what to do with him, Even if he did “Get Rushed” and joined the team in April, he still has options so that if he starts to struggle he can be sent back down!
The guy is 23 not 19!
At that age he should know and have learned everything he needs to, now it’s about applying all of that and if he is applying it and getting out MLB batters why not let him keep going?
Well I do agree his first start was a case of nerves, no question but knowing everything he needs to? After just 12 starts in the upper minors? Sorry. Won’t hurt him one bit face the same lineup 4-5 times and learn to make the adjustments necessary while doing so other wise we run the risk of developing another Pelfrey.
I get the hype about Harvey and all, but can we see more consistent appearances from him before all the “He should be in the majors” talk in Spring Training? Have you people learned NOTHING from Jenrry Mejia a few years ago? Ya’ll wanted him up so bad as well, and look what happened. Jerked around and eventually had to go under the knife. Calm yourselves.
No one has suggested putting him on the MLB squad just yet…
All we are saying is there is no rush to send him to the MiL field just yet!
Let the guy get a taste for MLB hitters and see what he will be up against, see what he needs to work on before we send him back to look impressive against guys who may never make it to the MLBs because they can’t hit!
HAHAHA!
Bayonne, Pomes, and Metsie all want to rush a great pitching prospect.
Could there EVER be more unified and unambiguous evidence that Harvey should start the season in the minors?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You guys just do not realize the humor you provide to grown up Met fans.
Hey Kingman your mother just left a post at Metsblog…
She says to bring home Milk if you want cherrios with your breakfast before school and be home by 7!
I don’t see what’s so funny. I think what they are saying is to give him a look and see before deciding on what to do with him. Who knows, he could come to camp in great shape and looks very sharp and polished on the mound, and another guy your counting on doesn’t impress you then why not? It’s a long shot, but why limit all your options before getting a good look at the guy? Nobody is saying “HE HAS TO BE UP HERE RIGHT NOW!!!!”, they are just saying we should see how the guy looks and let him play for a little bit before deciding on what to do with him. There’s nothing wrong with keeping all your options open, even if it is a long shot.
except there aren’t really doing anything, other than sending him to work with a different group in camp. He still will pitch in games, get a chance to show how ready he is, all that good stuff. And if/when they need him for a “real” game, he is right there. Not like they wished him into the corn field never to be seen again.
I think they just realized how much pressure he put on himself and are trying to difuse it a little.
Facts are he’s not even on the 40 man roster right now so it’s an extreme long shot anyway with just 12 starts above A ball he’ll benefit from at least a half season more in the minors.
Vinny B — no doubt that Matt Harvey has great stuff. Many of the team’s seasoned players and all the coaches have seen him. The consensus view is that he needs to work on the command of his secondary pitches. I’ve read that when his command is off, he leaves his secondaries over the plate. So when his secondary command gets better, and when he wastes pitches off the plate, not over the plate, he’ll be up lickity split.
If harvey had shown he had mstered at least AA, then he could legitimately be competing for a rotation spot. Or if he had gotten full mastery of all his pitches (the breaking/off speed stuff he was working on, plus his control) you could say he is a finished product.
If not, he needs to finish his development in the minors. Could be up by June, September, but it should be when he has proven ready in real games (not the knocking the rust off part of ST).
and so what they sent him to the MiL side? Should have started there anyway, and starting in ML is more of a symbolic gesture (you are important, and close) than anything else, since it is pretty much the same guys early on.
and all he is doing is going to another part of the complex. Most likely he still ends up pitching in “real” ST games. And if he absolutely sets the world on fire, they still could have him make the team.
Or, tell him if he can throw the speedball by everyone he could win a job, and have him go 110% on every pitch early, instead of working on what he needs to work on (trying to impress instead of improve).
Guys just don’t come up out of ST in the rotation after so few games in AA to finish out the year before, unless he absolutely dominated, and had nothing left to prove. And eve then, way more common (and logical) to let him start in the minors to get settled in, then call him up when an opening arises.
there are also roster implications. If you have to drop someone from the 40 man to make room, and he doesn’t do enough to stay, you shredded more depth.
anyway, bottom line, it is the right move to send him now to MiL camp. For him, and the team. BS on “not letting him compete”.
“If harvey had shown he had mstered at least AA, then he could legitimately be competing for a rotation spot. Or if he had gotten full mastery of all his pitches (the breaking/off speed stuff he was working on, plus his control) you could say he is a finished product.
If not, he needs to finish his development in the minors. Could be up by June, September, but it should be when he has proven ready in real games (not the knocking the rust off part of ST).”
Circle gets the square.