Time Is Wright To Trade David

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• Metsie August 27, 2011 at 2:15 pm

  Does anyone who suggest these things and start off with statements like this:
  “that the Mets cannot afford both Wright and Jose Reyes”

  Ever read a newspaper? The Met (Wilpon) Finances are no longer in trouble!!!!!!!!

  Why do you folks keep suggesting that they are?

  And why would you allow that MYTH to force you into getting rid of the only players that actually produce on a regular basis?

  Please for the love of God tell me what is the point of PAYING Reyes if your not going to have Wright around as well?

  If you can’t afford both Wright and Reyes (which is complete BULL!) then why afford anyone?
  Why not just trade off everyone including Davis and just promote the entire Buffalo staff since each time someone good is let go (K-Rod, then Beltran) a NEW target is identified as someone who WE CAN’T AFFORD!

  You know the Wilpons don’t work at McDonalds! They have plenty of money!
  They didn’t LOSE any money they got 300 Mil they shouldn’t have in fact. And they will give it back using 200 Mil of Einhorns money!

  Get a clue folks!
  This team is NOT broke!
  It IS going to lose money this year and you know why?
  Because we didn’t bother to attend the games!
  And they are going to lose EVEN MORE money next year…WHY?
  Because you folks getting rid of anyone fans would go to the park to see!

  If you really want to see a Minor League team then takje a trip to Buffalo and leave my MLB playing mets alone!
  • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Metsie,

    based on your 26 like (including myself) THE CORE SALUTES YOU…
• Jason Pafundi August 27, 2011 at 2:18 pm

  If you want to believe the finances are good, then you do that, but I’ll believe it when I see it. Also, like I said, how many people go to Citi Field to see David Wright? C’mon, honestly, he isn’t a player that puts butts in the seats.

  Sometimes in order to be good for the long haul, you have accept being bad. And the Mets aren’t going anywhere in the next few years, so why not restock the farm system in the best way possible- by trading David Wright?
  • Metsie August 27, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    OK Jason lets play a little game here…

    How much and by what event did the Wilpons lose money so that they can not afford to pay these guys…

    If you can’t answer then thats pretty much PROOF that your just making assumptions based on POTENTIAL LOSSES that NEVER MATERIALIZED!
  • Metsie August 27, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    And NO! Being BAD never contributes to making you GOOD!

    All being bad does is put you into a position where there is no way to go BUT up!
  • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    A hundred million dollar salary every year is not a sign a team is bankrupt. If the team was really that broke then Selig would do something about the team like he has had to interfere with the Dodgers.
    • Metsie August 27, 2011 at 3:37 pm

      Well MG te truth here has nothing to do with the Wilpon Finances they are just using this FALSITY as an excuse to implement a Philosophy they read in a book, love like a religion, and need to be retested because the team in the book that used it failed miserably!

      All these guys who are suggesting we trade these guys away ALL BELIEVE in the good book “MONEYBALL”

      They WANT the WIlpons to be in financial decline (even if it isn’t true) so that this philosophy can get a second chance at proving itself after it’s disastrous failure in Oakland!

      They know full well that the Wilpons do not need to play CHEAP!
      They know full well that just with the money saved on K-Rod and Beltran that they can afford Reyes and another 20 Mil contract on top of it! Paying Reyes “Crawford” money is not much more than an 8 Mil raise for Reyes! Add the remainder from K-Rod and Beltran together and you get around 20 Mil left over to sign someone!

      But that wouldn’t fit into their Minor League ONLY ‘MONEYBALL” philosophy!
  • MetsGirl5 August 27, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Are you serious? First of all I go to the ballpark to see Wright and I know plenty of others who do to. Have you taken a look at the number of people that show up to each and every game that wear Wright jerseys? This is article is just craziness… They have a chance to keep both Reyes *and* Wright and I firmly believe they should not be broken up. Reyes needs to find a way to keep himself on the field before I start thinking the Mets should ante up a huge contract to keep him. Wright was on the DL once before this year and that was only for 2 weeks. He’s starting to own all the Mets records… this sounds like a guy I wanna trade, especially at 28 years old. And I would like to point out both September 2007 and September 2008 as a time Wright was pulling that team kicking and screaming towards the playoffs. I know some of you will point to the ONE at bat in the Chicago series, but save it. The guy hit close to .400 in both of those Septembers.

    To suggest that he isn’t a “superstar” makes me beyond angry. This guy has given his blood and guts for this team and it’s fans and as usual people don’t see it. I’m not interested in re-stocking the farm system and watching Daniel Murphy bungle around at 3rd base. There are oh, 29 other teams that I’m sure would be glad to have him. And even though I am a die-hard Mets fan I would sincerely hope that if they ever traded Wright that he came back to haunt them and destroy them every chance he got.
    • JoeD 1966 August 28, 2011 at 11:47 pm

      Yes David put up very good Sept numbers in both 07 and 08 but in the last 10 games in both seasons against the Nationals and Marlins disasterous bullpens he couldn’t get wood on the ball in any big at bat.If he so much as hits a sac fly in one or two of those at bats there would’ve been no 2 two straight collapses.David is a very good player,he’s no superstar.He’s a complimentary player who’snbers have been regressing for 3 straight years.If you’re going to point out his overall months of Septemberi 07 and 08 please go nd look up the box scores of those last couple of series against the Nats and Marlins and you will see all the clutch at bats he failed in.He was not alone but he did not carry the team in any way shape or form.
• Bayonne Mets Fan August 27, 2011 at 2:25 pm

  I’ve been saying this for ages and I get raked over the coals for it.

  You know what I see when I look at Wright? A treasure trove of solid young pitching to go along with the young pitchers already in our system.

  It’s a no brainer
  • Russell Zanca August 27, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Uh-oh, Bayonne, we may be in sync today

    Still, it’s hard to see parting w/ the near-guarantee of 25HRS/100 RBIs/.285 AVG and solid D for at least several years to come at 3B unless we land some very good pitching.

    But as much as I want Wright to be a big component of the Mets next WS appearance, I am wracked with doubt it will ever happen. Still on the fence and looking to see what he does through end of 2011.
    • metsaddict77 August 27, 2011 at 3:06 pm

      we might as well,it seems like that is sandy plan anyway,to get rid of anyboby on the team making any kind of significant money and replace them with bargain basement players.
      • Metsie August 27, 2011 at 3:18 pm

        Well if he does that Guess which name will be front, center and NEXT on the “WHO we can no longer afford” list?

        Sandy Alderson!
      • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 3:33 pm

        Alderson has made smart choices so far (with what he has been working with). He got rid of dead weight (KRod) and traded Beltran (in a walk year) for a great pitching prospect. I don’t see any evidence that Alderson wants to gut the team.
        • Metsie August 27, 2011 at 3:50 pm

          Well smart choices is too soon to say, Right now he sits about 50/50.
          Won’t know how smart the Beltran move is until Wheeler shows but you certainly can’t crucify him for that move.

          I personally don’t think Sandy is going to gut this team. The Moneyballers do because they forget that Sandy didn’t play moneyball because he WANTED to it was forced on him.

          Too bad for them that Picard got slapped down hard in his attempt to extort a Billion dollars otherwise they might have a valid point in that we would not be able to afford players.

          But it did get slapped down and their only chance at seeing Moneyball ‘The Sequel” evaporated!

          Sandy will be judged around 3 years from now…
          Thats the fair date to judge him on.
          My guess is many of the folks who think he is so great will be screaming for his head by then for not getting inline with their moneyball maddness!
          • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 4:11 pm

            The Beltran move was a smart move because he got the prospect for basically nothing. Even if Wheeler never reachs the majors it didn’t cost the Mets anything. I agree that it will take at least 3 years to really judge Alderson but so far I haven’t seen anything from him to judge him poorly on.
• metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 3:21 pm

  I hate reading this kind of garbage on this site. If the Mets actually followed the advice of the bloggers they would be horrible forever. David Wright is probably the best player the Mets have ever had. Yeah he has had down years but unlike just about every other player for the Mets he hasn’t had much of a down side. The Mets have had three amazing players (if you count Wright). Seaver, Piazza and Wright are the three gold stars in an otherwise laughable franchise. I say this as a loyal Mets fan. Unlike the 80s stars Wright has never gotten in trouble for any reason. He is a good player, a good talker (with the media) and a loyal player. This is a future hall of famer who WANTS to be a Met! Money issues are a joke. If the Mets can’t pay Wright and Reyes then you are saying that they are basically the same as the Marlins or the Rays who just dump players because they won’t pay good money for good players. The Mets have more money than almost all other teams because they are in the biggest market in the world. Saying he doesn’t draw fans is a stupid stupid reason. Fans don’t go to Citifield because the tickets are twice as much as most teams (especially those that have sucked as much as the Mets). People are always looking for a scapegoat to blame and now its Wright. If he gets traded these same fans will start bitching about how the team should have kept him.
  • Hawk August 27, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    OMG, David Wright hasn’t been good in years. he isn’t worth what he’s getting paid this year, next year and the year after. He’s living on reputation and he is a compiler.
    I don’t understand how anyone watching this guy every day still thinks he’s the DW of old.
    • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 7:34 pm

      Uh are you retarded or just ignorant? Even is off years are better than most players!
      • Pat H August 28, 2011 at 12:13 am

        I am sorry to say but Retarded is a very poor choice of a word I am sure you could think of another one.
        • jonny met August 28, 2011 at 4:49 pm

          no retarded for you is an appropriate description as David Wright is one of the more complete players in the game. Best example when he came back from his stint on the DL what did he do? Look it up Tommy.
  • OmarFan August 28, 2011 at 9:05 am

    David Wright couldn’t carry Darryl Strawberry’s jockstrap. Give me a break with David Wright being the best player the Mets have ever had. Good Christ!
    • JoeSmith August 28, 2011 at 5:30 pm

      Strawberry hit homeruns, that’s it, didn’t hit for average, and was a subpar fielder

      You are another person that just hates Wright for the sake of hating Wright that writes crap with no facts.

      Strawberry’s BEST year he had 151 hits in 1987

      Wrights WORST year had 164 hits.

      Good Christ is right!
      • JoeD 1966 August 29, 2011 at 12:04 am

        Strawberry actually hit big HR’s. You know when the team is trailing by two and you have two men on,Straw hit big HR’s like that.David does most of his damage in one sided games.HR’s or 3 run doubles when the team is up 7-1 is not a big deal,It’s those close games when you need a big hit and DW gives you an absolute awful at bat,basically gets himself out. I’ll say it again.He’s a very good player.He’s not a superstar.He’s rarely and I mean rarely clutch.It’s mind boggling how a player with his talent could be so futile in pressure situations.It amazes me how some Met fans just look at the back of the baseball card and can’t admit he’s not a money player.
        • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 7:17 am

          It’s more amazing to me how so called Mets fans make up crap about one of their own.
        • Des August 29, 2011 at 9:17 am

          Joe, as you would say regarding big HR’s, and on-sided games, “Where’s your evidence? Prove it.”

          Until then, perhaps we should conclude that you’ve bought into the street talk.
          • JoeD 1966 August 30, 2011 at 2:26 am

            Just look at the stats.He’s much much better in games that are 3-4 runs to the plus side than he is in close games.He’s well below his career numbers in late inning pressure situations and close games.The numbers are there.I can’t help you if you don’t know how to read them or are too lazy to look them up.It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see he is not a money player.He totally changes his approach in clutch at bats.Swings at anything.If you’re trying to tell me he is a clutch hitter and not a guy who adds on to big leads or tacks on a few when getting blown out then you’re blinded by the need to have a home grown stat compiler and could care less about winning.Most Met fans seem too concerned with having a home grown guy own all the team records instead of winning.
      • OmarFan August 29, 2011 at 9:08 am

        Strawberry and Eric Davis were considered the best players in baseball during tha era. Wright will never be in that category. Strawberry was the premier slugger in the game. If you weren’t alive to watch him play, I suggest you SHUT UP right now.
        • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 9:11 am

          I suggest YOU learn the game and take down your blinders.

          Strawberry had potentional to be the best but blew it, literally.

          Tell me, other then homeruns, what did he excel in?

          I have watched BOTH world series WINS……..
          • OmarFan August 29, 2011 at 9:22 am

            This isn’t about media perceived “potential” (the media dubbed him the black Ted Williams). It’s about who is the best player. Only a FOOL would dare suggest Wright is a superior player next to Strawberry.

            And watching both World Series wins on DVD doesn’t count……
            • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 9:24 am

              And watching both World Series wins on DVD doesn’t count……”

              LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE CORE MOTHERF’ING SALUTES YOU OMAR!!!
            • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 9:30 am

              You are a child, and only someone who doesn’t know the game would say Wright couldn’t even carry Strawberry’s jock strap.
              • jessep August 29, 2011 at 9:55 am

                They played in totally different era’s of MLB.

                I don’t really use the word “clutch” to define a player unless it’s ridiculously obvious. Like I’d never say Jeter wasn’t clutch, but I don’t think if you asked somebody in California who was more clutch Straw or Wright — I don’t think they’d know or care frankly. So that is why I have problems with that word in terms of defining a career.

                Straw played 8 seasons with the Mets and Wright is finishing up his 8th.

                Straw: 1109 Games, 1,025 Hits, 187 Doubles, 30 Trips, 252 HR, 733 RBI 191 SB, .263BA, .359 OBP, .520 SLG, .878 OPS OPS+ 145 average 139 game a season

                Wright: 1075 Games, 1,219 Hits, 274 Doubles, 16 Trips, 180 HR, 706 RBI, 148 SB, .301BA, .381 OBP, .511 SLG, .891 OPS, OPS+ 134 average 134 game a season

                Now I don’t know for certain who was better. To me, I see a lot more winning categories for Wright than I do for Straw and Wright has a month left in his 8th year.

                Wright already has more hits, more doubles, better average, better on base, and once the season ends will average more games played per season. He COULD pass Straw in RBI with an amazing month but will likely fall just short.

                As much as some like to pound Wright on his D, he’s a better defender than Straw was.

                I think at the end of the day if you’re talking ENTIRE body of work, Wright is right there with Straw.

                The problem for Wright is not clutch it’s that when Straw played for NYM there were few hitters like him. Wright’s numbers now are normal compared to the talent around him.

                But to say Wright can’t hold Straw’s jock is a joke.
                • OmarFan August 29, 2011 at 10:02 am

                  Wright couldn’t hold Straw’s jock NOR cup. How’s that? The league has changed over the last 25 years since Straw terrorized MLB. If you’re not 30 years old at least, you should see your way OUT of this conversation.
                  • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 10:22 am

                    Dude – I am in my late 40′s, I have seen them both play LIVE, contrary to your immature comments and assumptions.

                    Straw was great, and a very feared hitter, I remember, but if YOU really remember everything about when he played, and had a clue, you wouldn’t even come close to your comments about Wright.

                    Again, blind hatred just shows ignorance…..
                  • Des August 29, 2011 at 10:51 am

                    Yesterday you complained about the immaturity of posts here on MMO. Today you trail the pack. Strawberry never terrorized LHP. He had a career .238 AVG against lefties. Really a terror, wasn’t he? Maybe only off-the-field.
                  • jessep August 29, 2011 at 10:16 am

                    Again OmarFan… baseball changed. How many hitters were just like Straw when he was with the Mets? Not many.

                    A hitter like Wright is seen as “good” now. If Wright put up those #s in the early 80′s he’d be George Brett.

                    but they play in different era’s so you can’t compare them like that.

                    the FACT however is, Wright has more hits, more doubles, better average, better on base and only 27 FEWER RBI than Straw who could only win the argument based on his HR and RBI totals.

                    Wright has the 2nd best career average as a Met, only Olerud is higher and Wright has played in 600 more games as a Met (Straw 41st)

                    Wright is 2nd all time in Runs scored behind Jose Reyes with 682 (Straw 3rd)

                    Wright is 3rd all time in Hits (Straw 9th)

                    Wright is 4th all time in HR behind Straw being 1st

                    Wright is 2nd all time in RBI behind Straw

                    Wright is 6th all time in stolen bases, Straw is 4th

                    Wright is 4th all time in OBP, Straw is 11th

                    Wright is 3rd all time in SLG, Straw is 2nd

                    Wright is 3rd all time OPS, Straw is 4th

                    So exactly what are you using to say Wright “couldn’t hold Straw’s jock NOR cup”

                    Why because the mid 1980′s were more exciting than the mid 2000′s?

                    I look at wright in terms of Met history and I see NINE Top 10′s in offensive categories… I see Straw with SEVEN.

                    Again, you wanna say Straw is better? Fine. It’s debateable, but you’re acting like Wright is Ty Wiggington.
      • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 9:12 am

        joesmith,

        i don’t usually write back to some of your post, as it seems you’re trying really hard to make a name for yourself here, but my friend you need to stop with this ridiculous post man.. seriously.. the core is begging you to stop this insanity.. david wright is the best 3rd baseman the mets have had in their history, good for him, but please, don’t EVER mention wright in the ssame category as strawberry.. please
        • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 9:17 am

          Lets be clear, I’m not here to make a “name” for myself, I could care less what you or the “the core” (whatever the hell that is) thinks, you don’t own the site, the core (whatever the hell that is) thinks.

          If you will EVER learn how to read, I said if they were to get very good pitching prospects I’d be the one driving Wright to airport (but go ahead over look facts), but the blind hatred for Wright is completely ignorant and stupid.

          Strawberry hit homeruns, he had a career .259 average (that is career so save the time posting Wrights average for THIS year)

          The most hits Straw hit in one year, is LESS, then what Wright hit in his WORSTS year.

          I do not know how Wright’s career will end, but you and the “core” are really looking stupid with your blind hatred and lies you make up about a pretty good player on this team.
          • Des August 29, 2011 at 9:28 am

            JoeSmith, most of Alex’s posts should be written with crayons. In terms of his baseball insight, he has more in common with Emmett Kelly than with an thoughful Mets fans. Ignore the guy.
            http://www.brooklyndodgermemories.com/emmett-kelly-t2035.html
        • JoeD 1966 August 30, 2011 at 2:48 am

          Straw put fear into a pitcher just standing in the on deck circle.Wright is a very good player and I wouldn’t say he couldn’t hold Straws jock but he is just simply not the feared presence that Strawberry was.Comparing players from the 80′to today makes no sense.Theres 4 more teams since those days and far less pitching.Players today and over the last 15 or so years got to face a lot of bad middle relievers that players from Strawberry’s era didn’t have the luxury of,hence the bloated offensive numbers ove that period.Straw screwed up his own career and we all know how.What’s the reason for Wright’s dropoff over the last 3 years.BA OB% Slug% shrinking OPS and rising strikeout rate.He has played better since coming off the DL,even getting a few big hits his 1st week or so back but no one can deny the regression,even against lefties and the loss of bat speed.All of Wright’s supporters should go back and look at Ray Knight’s 86 season.Looks like a decent season but he was unstoppable in the clutch.I would take that type season any day over the glamour stat compiler that Wright is.Knight wasn’t scared in pressure situations.Wright is!
          • JoeSmith August 30, 2011 at 7:22 am

            I agree with most of this post, but so sick of the igornant “stat compiler”
            • JoeD 1966 August 31, 2011 at 3:08 am

              Stat compiler is not an ignorant comment.it is pretty much what he is.He steps into the box with a ton of confidence in low leverege,low pressure at bats.When the game is on the line though he practically hyperventilates.He puts up a large portion of his numbers in games with big leads and big deficits.Like I said,i don’t want to trade him for the sake of trading him but if it improves the team going forward,I’m all ears.
      • Des August 29, 2011 at 10:47 am

        Strawberry had a career .238 average against LHP.

        Overrated goon.

        I think he has a gargantuan personality for doing bad things off the field. On the field he sometimes was too hung over to bend down for hard hit grounders in the OUTFIELD.

        What a hero!!!
        • OmarFan August 29, 2011 at 11:31 am

          The Wright cheerleaders should REALLY relax. Hiding the reply key because someone HAMMERED Wright is SOFT. I don’t care what stats are tossed up to defend Wright, the bottom line is STRAW was the most feared slugger in the NL for years. By comparison, no one would say that about Wright. They never will. And if Straw played in this era, he would be a greater menace than he was back in the 80′s for a host of reasons.

          If Wright had 1/4 of the postseason Straw had (2006/1986), Wright would have a ring. It’s tiring hearing the comparisons between the two. Wright is nowhere close to being the type of slugger Strawberry was. The DESPERATION to make Wright something he ISN’T has people comparing the 80′s era of baseball to today’s. It’s not only ridiculous, it’s downright stupid.
          • Metsie August 29, 2011 at 12:02 pm

            And the Strawberry fans should come back to earth!

            Strawberry was not as FEARED as you claim…I know I had season tickets and saw just about every game in the 80′s.

            Strawberry never broke 40 and had only 27 HRs in 86! Thats about Wrights average per year!

            You just FEEL he was better because he played on a WS Mets team and Wright has not!
            But then again Wright never had Hernandez and Carter in his lineup!
            • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 12:17 pm

              metsie, he didn’t have keith and carter, he had reyes, carlos beltran and carlos delgado who was on fire during the postseason.. rememebr? yet against the cardinals he managed to have 1 RBI on a solo HR!!!!!!!!!
              • Metsie August 29, 2011 at 12:30 pm

                Yeah he also didn’t bat 5th he batted 3rd which means you are the guy they are going to go after to get the out so you can have flexibility to walk Beltran and Delgado.
                Strawberry batted 5th! Meaning there was almost ALWAYS one guy on base, forcing you to pitch to him as there was not room to give him a free pass!

                and why are we basing this all on ONE series Alex? Really?

                You want to know the difference? Strawberry was a REAL HR HITTER! One who also happened to hit for average!
                Only those who trash Wright seem to think he is a REAL HR hitter or base their bitching on his HR totals.

                Truth is the most HRs Strawberry ever hit was 39 HRs.
                Just 6 HRs more than Wright in his best season.

                Not a lot more for a guy who IS a true HR hitter!
                • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 12:37 pm

                  ahhh, metsie, during the whole 2006 season, he WAS the #5 hitter, beltran was 3rd and delgado our 4th hitter in the lineup…
                  secondly, do you honestly believe at any point from 2006-2008 wright was the most feared hitter in the lineup?? i know you can say that about straw, not wright..
                  i am not basing it on that 2 series, but i am sure it didn’t help having our #5 hitter go 4-25 with 1 dbl and 1 hr and 2 rbi on that series, by the way, delgado who hit in front of david was walked 6 times and 14 times on base, meaning wright had a few chances to come trough, yet didn’t..
              • JoeD 1966 August 30, 2011 at 2:52 am

                1 HR in game 4 which was ooops a blowout over St Louie
            • JoeD 1966 August 30, 2011 at 2:58 am

              Straw wasn’t feared? Are you serious? I was a season ticket holder myself back then and that couldn’t be further from the truth.Wright btw had Reyes,Beltran,Delgado and Cliff Floyd then Alou who was scorching hot down the stretch in 07.Every manager from Straws era will tell you he was the most feared slugger in the NL.I don’t know what you were watching but it wasn’t the games.
              • JoeSmith August 30, 2011 at 7:17 am

                I agree, Straw was definately feared that is silly to say otherwise.

                As far as Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Floyd and Alou – Alou was hot the last stretch of 07 because that was ALL he played, Delgado was awful the majority of 07, Reyes disapearred and Floyd was on again off again with injuries. Wright was the one that was on fire, but somehow he’s the only one Mets history that when he does get hot he’s stat padding while others carry a team – wonder why that is? Hmmm selective memory I’d say
          • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 12:05 pm

            The desperation to make Wright look bad is downright stupid.

            Go back and watch your DVD’s Mr. Expert

            Strawberry hit. .227 and .208 in the 2 post season series in 86.

            LEARN THE FACTS ARE DIFFERENT FROM YOUR OPINION
            • OmarFan August 29, 2011 at 12:15 pm

              You should toss out your VCR and get with the times. You’re another stathead who I’m SURE isn’t in their late 40′s. Strawberry hit IMPORTANT homers, like the one against Knepper that turned the game around. Like the homer against Nolan Ryan that tied the game against the Astros. Strawberry’s homer against the Red Sox was the icing on the cake in Game 7. When Straw hit them, he made them count. That’s something Wright has NOT done in his entire career, which INCLUDES the post-season.
              • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 12:18 pm

                he hit a solo HR against the cardinals, the only RBI our #5 hitter in the lineup had during that NLCS.. that is not good at all for your first postseason.. at all!!!!!!!
                • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 12:25 pm

                  he had 2 rbi’s.. my mistake, forgot game 7 he hit a BLOOPER to drive in the only run for the mets..
              • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 2:21 pm

                Yeah, not one of Wright’s homeruns in his career have every meant anything. Maybe we can get a bag of balls for him in return.

                You are a waste of bandwidth, you are the epitome of ignorance and hypocracy.
              • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 3:45 pm

                His hits didn’t come when they count, that even though Wright has more game winning hits then any in Mets history means nothing, it’s just a stat right?
                • Vinny B August 29, 2011 at 4:48 pm

                  It’s a very deceiving stat.

                  It tricks you into beliveing that every time a player gets a “game winning hit” that hit actually won the game. Which isn’t always true.

                  Earlier this year Wright hit a two run single in the 3rd inning against the Phillies to put the Mets up 2-0. That counted as a “game winning hit” even though the Mets still would have won the game without that hit because the Mets won 7-1.

                  So if you take out that hit, the Mets still win the game. But it somehow still counts as a “game winning hit” even though the Mets still win the game if he never gets that hit.

                  So, yes that stat means nothing because it doesn’t always count hits that actually won the game.
                  • Donal August 29, 2011 at 4:55 pm

                    Vinny is right, the “clutch” argument is stupid. I agree with him that Wright is an awesome player and his detractors are just ignorant.
                  • Vinny B August 29, 2011 at 5:17 pm

                    I’m not one of Wright’s “detractors” even though you think I am – I actually like David Wright……He’s a good player.

                    But an “awesome” player? I wouldn’t say that.
                  • Donal August 29, 2011 at 8:58 pm

                    I didn’t say you were.
  • JoeD 1966 August 28, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Future Hall of Famer? That’s hilarious! He’s a good player.Maybe if he stayed on path with his 1st 4 years he would have a shot at the Hall but he’s regressed into an above average player from a star player.That won’t get you into the Hall.
    • jessep August 29, 2011 at 9:58 am

      Yeah I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s a future HOF’er. That’s a bit far.
• Rickeybobby August 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm

  Im with Metsie. This is NY not KC, we have TV contracts, expensive seats, fans, expensive beer(lol), the organization has money, the Wilpons arent billionaries anymore, theyre fine. Time to spend money and get the team payroll to a place where we can compete, We’re 8th this season w a modest team payroll of $118 million(includes OPerez, Castilla, Beltran and KRod).

  I disagree that we are a total rebuild(not saying we dont have holes), we havent been remotely healthy for past 3 seasons !! And that includes Wright he’s been playing hurt, he still has upside. And he can’t do it alone youre right !! Sign/trade for a superstar(s) !! We have enough younger players that dont cost us much who can contribute (Ike, Turner, Murphy, Duda, Tejada, Pridie, Gee, Neise, Parnell Beato and anyone else in the system that will contribute..)to keep our payroll at a resonable level as we get some great players and rebuild.

  I think DWright is a better player then Reyes. Ill take power and rbi production over speed anyday. I want to keep Reyes but speed he is totally overrated and you can get most player with speed, and/or leadoff pretty cheap.Also, there are plenty of productive SS’s so reyes is replaceable. Mookie Wilson was exciting to watch like Reyes , didnt make him a great player. Wright is an excellent player, not the very elite but close. And sorry if you don’t like the cliche pal but he is the face of the Mets and it’s something Alderson commented on keeping core nucleas of ‘Mets’ w pieces around them. Reyes isnt worth the $20mill per year, but i still would like to keep him. Id rather have Pujols or Feilder(Ike in rf)and find a fill at SS(there was a rumor Angels offered Aybar for Reyes, ahh done, there prob a small differencce btwn them) if i had the choice.

  If the Mets arent going to spend money for the next few years then maybe you are (W)right becasue as Metsie says, whats the point!! Why pay anyone.. What’s the point of the organization?? To win right. Have good players and hey if they are homegrown and likeable as Wright more power to ya..Id rather try to ‘rebuild’ with DWright, dont worry so much about salary. Lets pays guys!! Get the best players !! Spend money but be SMART about it. I hope Alderson and Mets have a PLAN to do this and not JUST play small mkt crap. Anyway, our rebuild is just a $$$$ away….
• MetsGirl5 August 27, 2011 at 4:00 pm

  “Wright has had a wonderful career as a New York Met. He’ll go down as one of the best players in franchise history, and he’s among the team’s leaders in many offensive categories. But in the category that matters most, wins, titles and championships, he has come up short.”

  I wanted to comment on this part of the article as well… How many titles and championships did Piazza bring us? Now how many of you consider him to be one of, if not the greatest Mets player? One player doesn’t win you a championship.
  • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Wright and Reyes should both be kept around as long as the Mets can keep them (and they are healthy enough to contribute). The two of them are going to own every team career stat (they already own most of them). Wright is the best all around player the Mets have ever had. There is no way you can argue with that. He has had a couple off years but then again the ENTIRE team has been struggling the last couple years. Everyone is dumping on him for having a couple “bad” years which are better than most players seasons.
• JoeSmith August 27, 2011 at 4:23 pm

  If this team can improve drastically in the pitching department, I’ll be the one volunteering to drive Wright to the airport, and if this was just an article about that and what we can get in return I’d say “WAY TO GO”

  but to make it almost a comparison and say “Number two, can we all agree on the fact that Reyes is an irreplaceable superstar? Sure, he has been bitten by the injury bug this season and somewhat throughout his career, but as Reyes goes, so go the Mets.”

  You’ve then lost me. Sorry to be an irreplacable superstar you have to average more then 89 games a year as he has for the last three years. Injury bug? That is an understatement.

  He had an outstanding first half of the season, no doubt, but that is NOT a superstar, have you really looked deep into his numbers prior to that?

  I love how you say “this isn’t a knock on Wright”, yet all the things you claim he can’t do, neither can Reyes nor has he, he you call him an irreplaceable superstar?

  Sorry EVERY player on this current roster IS replaceable.
  • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    The problem isn’t replacing Wright. Its replacing him with something that is going to be any good. If you think Murphy is going to be nearly as good at 3B as Wright you are either joking or insane. Murphy hurt himself this year by kneeling behind the base! Even little leaguers know not to do that!
    • JoeSmith August 27, 2011 at 10:12 pm

      I’m guessing you misunderstood something. I’m not advocating getting rid of him, I think he’s the target of a lot of undue attention right now (see other thread), I was trying to point out that the writer claimed to not be killing Wright but actually doing so, AND, looking to unload Wright and calling Reyes a superstar that can’t be replaced is completely inaccurate.

      With that said, I still stand by EVERYONE is replaceable…….
• Anthony August 27, 2011 at 4:29 pm

  I mean id rather keep wright but i wouldnt mind trading him to the Rockies ( probably most interested team ) for a package involving Tim Wheeler and Wilin Rosario.
• Phil Groh August 27, 2011 at 4:36 pm

  Wright just strikes out too much and is not a clutch hitter. If the Rockies are interested and we can get something for him, hey, send him packing!
• Alex August 27, 2011 at 4:38 pm

  Honestly I agree with this article. I feel that trading Wright now is the right move. Not only for financial reasons, but for the fact that he would bring in a pretty decent return and also I believe he is replaceable. Now many may not agree with this, but I feel that his replacement at third should be none other than Daniel Murphy. The way he hits and how he would be a perfect No. 2 hitter in our lineup is almost irreplaceable at this point for this team. I know his fielding is iffy, but after watching him play this season and in the past, I feel that third seems to be his most comfortable position, even more so than first. One thing he brings to this team other than his hitting is his leadership. He has shown more leadership and been more fun in the clubhouse this year than Wright has shown in 7 years. If Wright wants to be a franchise player, he needs to act more like it in the clubhouse and prove to everyone he is a leader. His “fear” or whatever it is of Citi Field is enough of a reason in and of itself to get rid of him. Now I like David Wright a lot and I respect him as a player, but he is definately replaceable.
  • Brian August 27, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Wasn’t Murphy drafted as a third basement anyway?
    • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 7:38 pm

      Isn’t Murphy a joke as a fielder? Yes, he is. The guy hurt himself on a routine play (again) because he sucks in the field. Murphy can hit but is painful to watch in the field. He injured himself (well put himself in stupid position to get hurt) and you want him at third base? HA! Murphy could end up at first base (if he comes back the same) because who knows if Ike can ever play again.
• Anthony August 27, 2011 at 4:48 pm

  Lucas Duda has produced almost as much in less at bats than right…just sayin
  • MetsGirl5 August 27, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Lucas Duda didn’t play for a month with a broken back
    • JoeD 1966 August 29, 2011 at 12:11 am

      Wright wasn’t hitting at all before he got hurt against Houston.Other that the 2nd game of the season and the 1st game against Philly he was awful even before the injury.
      • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 7:19 am

        The season was less then 3 weeks old when he got hurt.

        Give me a break

        I love these Wright haters,when he’s gone you’ll all be saying, remember when we had that guy at 3rd that could actually play.
        • JoeD 1966 August 30, 2011 at 3:09 am

          I’m not a hater Joe.I’m just a realist.He’s regressing and for some reason Met fans like yourself don’t see this.The numbers don’t lie.The 2nd half of last year he was futile.Absolutely horrible.He didn’t drive in a run in August until the 23rd of the month.His K ate has gone way up.OB%,Slug% BA.It’s not hating to say he’s not as good as he was and I’m not saying to just get rid of him My whole point is too many Met fans say you CANNOT trade David Wright.He’s untouchable.I just don’t see it that way.After whats gone on here the last 5 years how can anyone say that any one Met is untouchable.If they can get a deal that improves the club I’m all for it.
          • JoeSmith August 30, 2011 at 7:21 am

            Actually, I’ll repeat again, I said in first post in this thread that if the team could get good pitching in return I’d drive him to the airport, so don’t say fans like me don’t see this.

            The defense of Wright came when some lack of knowledger detractor said he couldn’t carry Strawberry’s jock.

            I know how feared Strawberry was, I watched, but the way some around here talk about Wright you’d think he was ChooChoo Coleman out there.

            Everyone on this team is tradeable and right now we have NO superstars, and contrary to what the author intially wrote, Reyes is no superstare either and he is just as replaceable.
            • JoeD 1966 August 31, 2011 at 3:18 am

              I agree with you on that.David as Bob Murphy would say has a world of talent.My only complaint with Wright is his failure to come up in big spots and and get a timely hit.Win a game late.Down a run late in the game and 2 men on it wouldn’t hurt to see him come through in those spots occasionally.He has a little more since he came off the DL but if he wants to be put in a category with Joey Votto,Fielder,Braun etc… he has to come through in key rbi situations.I am in no way shape or form a Wright hater.
  • Rickeybobby August 27, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    RTejada is on a pace to hit more doubles and rbis then Reyes and has the same OBP, just sayin too ..Wright played hurt earleir this saeson (and prob past seasons)but as a LEADER(not sure how people dont think he’s not, because we’ve had losing seasons? Not sure) you never hear a peep from him, he’s still outproducing Duda but Godspeed to Duda i hope he light s it up..
  • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    How many 100 RBI seasons has he had?
    • JoeD 1966 August 29, 2011 at 12:15 am

      He’s had 5 but his batting avg,OB% and Slug% are continuing to decline and that is much more important than the number of 100 rbi seasons he’s had.
      • MetsGirl5 August 29, 2011 at 11:46 am

        I think you’ll find the Great Wall of Flushing has something to do with that though.
        • JoeD 1966 August 30, 2011 at 3:12 am

          I agree to an extent as far as his slug% goes but the OB% has decreased and his strikeout rate has gone out of control.
• Brian August 27, 2011 at 5:00 pm

  David Wright is one of my favorite Mets. He has a great personality, plays the same position I did when I was a kid, and was assigned the same number as my boyhood idol George Brett (look up why equipment manager assigned him #5.) That being said, he doesn’t have the clubhouse presence of a leader. He isn’t consistent in the clutch. And, though the Wilpon’s have anointed him the face of the franchise, if I had to choose between Wright and Reyes, I would take Jose every time.
• jdon August 27, 2011 at 5:14 pm

  The statement “as Reyes goes so go the mets,” is one of those bromides that make no sense. The mets are a lower rung team and have been for years. Who needs Reyes for that? And who knows who will be on the roster next year? Just does not make any sense. Reyes is not a superstar until he plays all the time for several years at the level he played earlier this year. He did not even play all of this year. The mets will not be able to sign him because some stupid will over-offer. Good bye Jose. Having said that, I still think they will trade David, although his value is lessened by his ability to negate the option that the team currently has.
• eraff August 27, 2011 at 5:14 pm

  You’d probably have a great Market for Wright….and he’s probably more replaceable as a 3rd baseman versus Reyes at short. BUT….the idea that you’ll re-sign Reyes and Not Wright?…..They only have room for one big player? The idea that nobody goes to Mets games to see David Wright—– What does POPULAR look like on YOUR planet?
• Jason Pafundi August 27, 2011 at 5:35 pm

  Okay, this isn’t about the Mets not having money. Personally, I don’t believe for a second when any sports owner says they are losing money. I know the Wilpons have a ton of money, the problem is they’ve had shown, at least in public, an unwillingness to spend enough to compete with the Phillies, the Red Sox and the Yankees, and for a team in the largest media market in the world, that is a disgrace.

  Also, David Wright isn’t a power hitter. He is a gap-to-gap guy who will hit 20-30 home runs at best, but to classify him as a power hitter is just wrong. Ryan Howard is a power hitter. Prince Fielder is a power hitter. The Mets haven’t had a guy like that since Carlos Delgado.
  • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    So now you have to back down because you know your article was completely wrong. Just admit it. Wright isn’t a power hitter because he only hits an average of 30 home runs a year? Uh, who else on the Mets can do that? Howard also plays in a bandbox that a little leaguer could hit it out of. Put Wright in a stadium that isn’t massive and he would probably hit another ten home runs and then he would be the power hitter you want.
• Jason Pafundi August 27, 2011 at 5:38 pm

  This has nothing to do with Moneyball, because I for one, know that the Mets have money. I probably should’ve worded it better to say that they aren’t showing a willingness to spend the big money, not that they don’t have it.

  And I’m sorry, but I feel like the majority of Wright fans are the ones that see him as a cleancut, handsome guy who doesn’t get it trouble. They don’t remember the under .200 he hit in the ALCS or the 10 home runs he hit in 2009. He is not a superstar. That word gets tossed around too easily in sports these days.

  Tell me, commenters, who you consider a superstar in MLB?
  • BB August 27, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Well again, if you are going to nitpick certain things, you need to do so for everyone. Yeah Wright was bad in the NLCS and didn’t hit HRs in 2009. But if that disqualifies him from being a superstar it should for Reyes as well.

    Reyes didn’t do anything either playoff series in 2006. And he was absolutely brutal in Sept the two years the Mets collapsed. He also stunk last season and didn’t play particularly well before getting hurt in 2009. And this is the only season in his 8 or so year career that he’s surpassed an .850 OPS.

    Certainly he was having a super-star type year this season. But if having some bad stretches and bad moments means a guy isn’t a superstar, than Reyes really isnt one either
    • OmarFan August 28, 2011 at 9:14 am

      Superstar= the team heads south when he leaves.

      Wright= when he went down, the team didn’t.
      Reyes = when he went down, so did the team.
      Delgado= when he went down, so did the team
      Beltran= when he was traded, the team sunk.

      Wright is a nice guy, but it takes more than pretty stats to make a star player. It comes to game changing hits, game winning hits and stuff to that nature. He isn’t on that level. Jose Reyes affects the game with his legs and defense in the most important position on the field. As a leadoff hitter, he is a HUGE threat the likes we’ve never had for this long a period of time. Useless and meaningless fantasy league stats don’t tell the story with Reyes.
    • JoeD 1966 August 29, 2011 at 12:23 am

      Both are very good.Neither of them are superstars.Star players yes but superstar no.A superstar is a Pujols,A-Rod,Manny,Piazza,Bonds.Wright and Reyes are on the next tier.
      • Metsie August 29, 2011 at 1:10 am

        Phillies don’t have any guys like that either unless you count all that pitching!

        Rollins is certainly not carrying that team, Even Utley as hot as he has been was a dud early (Injury excuse accepted) the closest thing to a guy who might be a superstar is Howard the rest of them are all just SOLID baseball players who behind some great pitching score enough runs to win games!

        The Braves everyone remembers dominating a decade didn’t have any superstars either other than thier pitching!

        The ONLY teams that have that many Superstars on their roster are the ones who have a 200+Mil Payroll and ALL the geeks playing FANTASY baseball with 4 of their friends so EVERY BODY in their lineup is a SUPERSTAR!!!

        If you actually build a solid TEAM you don’t need someone to carry them…they ALL contribute!
  • Metsie August 27, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Jason you can say it’s not about the money or their seeming lack of wanting to spend money but they have not showed any lack of wanting to spend money in fact the FANS HERE have shown less willingness to spend than the Owners!

    If what you said about thier lack of spending were true Reyes would have been gone LONG BEFORE Beltran and K-Rod if that were the case!

    The major porblem with your article isn’t the EXCUSE you gave for doing this it was the CONCEPT that by trading away the best players on the team you are in some way making them better!

    Well the only way that helps us get better is if you trade away EVERYONE, live in last place of the MLB for 4 or 5 years with the top overall draft pick in every round!

    You way means 10 years of TRULY HORRIBLE baseball!

    The wilpons have not showed any unwillingness to spend the FANS are the ONLY ones doing that!
    THEY WANT MONEYBALL when they say we can’t afford this and that is not WORTH it…
    They are NOT improving the team in anyway all they are doing is trading all their assets to fill up a minor league system that will all be forced and rushed from developing because we need to fill all these positions you have decided must be included in this EVERYTHING MUST GO sale!

    You don’t like David Wright then just say so!
    But MAYBE, just MAYBE we should wait to get rid of him until we have a REPLACEMENT for him!

    You think thats Murphy you would get a ton less resistance here than the excuse you used!

    But I fail to see whay everyone is in a rush to trade off Wright as NOT WORTH keeping yet never a peep about Bay who is FAR more useless to this team than Wright, Is too old to be built around and has NO STAR DRAWING power to keep the money coming in for whenever this GAGGLE of MAYBES you guys are collecting actually shows they are worth supporting and buying help for!

    Sounds to me with Reyes, Wright Davis and some combination or Murphy Turner at 2nd base that we already have about as COMPLETE an infield as anyone in the Majors!
    And if Duda can keep hitting bombs in RF we would be THREE PLAYERS AWAY from an entire cast of regular position starters who can score runs and a few Pitchers away (With Harvey, Holt, Mejia and now Wheeler soon on the way) able to beat the Phillies and Braves two of three , which means they could be leading the NL East in less than two years!

    But you prefer to UNDO all that and wait for 10?

    Like I said go buy season tickets to Buffalo and Brooklyn.
    When they are satisfying you to the point that you don’t care who is on the Mets anymore then maybe your way won’t take a decade!
    • Rickeybobby August 27, 2011 at 10:14 pm

      Yep, lineup potentially solid when healthy and thats w/out Sandy making any off season improvemnts. A starter and bullpen help should be a priority. I think their committement to minor league draft signings and farm rebuild thur beltran trade is more a committment to building a more fruitful farm system, not a committment to moneyball BUT we’ll probably know more this off season if thats ture or not, and about their plan to spend..also, Jason Bay, any chance for reversison to the mean and he has a solid 2012 campaign?? Maybe w the walls moved in ??
  • jessep August 27, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    If you’re telling me Wright isn’t a superstar than neither is Reyes. Part of being a superstar is your popularity, and that is all the AS Game measures. Wright has been an AS 5 times to Reyes’ 4 right?

    I mean to me they both aren’t nationwide “superstars” locally yes, but I think we pump them up because they are our guys. They are both on the cusp and if Reyes continued a 162 game season on the pace he had this year, maybe. But at the end of the day he turned out to be exactly who we thought he was. An injury prone SS.
  • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Frankly being a clean cut guy who doesn’t get in trouble is an asset. Oh no he only had ten home runs ONE YEAR! He hasn’t done that before or since! He strikes out a lot, so does Ryan Howard. Trading away Wright now would be another Seaver trade. The Mets have a history of bowing to pressure from fans who want instant results and I hope they don’t fall for this “trade Wright” crap.
• BB August 27, 2011 at 5:40 pm

  I never understand this Reyes vs. Wright nonsense–people always live too much with the “what have you done for me lately” stuff. This is the first year Reyes has been better than Wright. And if we are going to nitpick even this great year of his is only comprised of two great months – May and June. So I don’t think it can be definitively concluded that he is some “superstar” and Wright isn’t anything special.

  And Wright is the favorite of many Mets fans, so I also think its pretty inaccurate to say fans rush out to see Reyes, but nobody goes to see Wright. And really, if the fans going to the games is how we are going to judge things, that reflects pretty badly on everyone, since attendance was pretty poor this year, even with Reyes having a career year.

  I don’t buy that they need to “rebuild” or that they can’t afford to keep both guys. They have plenty of money coming off the books this offseason. A team like the Mets should be able to keep both their homegrown players.

  IF they really do go the complete rebuild route, then I agree they might as well trade Wright and get some prospects to help down the road. But if thats the case, I really don’t see the point in keeping Reyes. A team that is completely rebuilding a looking several years down the road shouldn’t sink $20 mil a year into one player. Its iffy if he’s worth that kind of crazy money as is, but a team trying to win immediately can take that gamble…it doesnt make much sense for a rebuilding team to do. Especially since a lot of players tend to fade out towards the end of these deals, so if the Mets try to completely rebuild, by the time they are ready to be good again Jose’s contract could be more of a burden than a benefit
  • Rickeybobby August 27, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Exactly, they have plenty of money coming off the books, probably about $50 million off books and maybe $7-8 million coming in w/arbitation and contact increase. They can afford both and some so this shouldn’t really be a Wright vs Reyes althou the article did make that the question..
• tiedyed August 27, 2011 at 5:44 pm

  Interesting post…in more ways then one.
  It really shows the direction of this team (or lack thereof) and how we Mets fans have come to accept the fact of being losers.

  Most teams try to keep their good players and win. Not the Mets. We try to keep the least amount of talent possible.

  I am sooo sick and tired of us fans accepting our role as 2nd class citizens in this town.
  The Wilpons could sell us ice cream on a cold winter day and we’d line up to buy it–then have a heated discussion about do we want a cherry or sprinkles.

  It’s ok, fellow Mets fans. Like always, we can do what we do every October. We can watch the Yankees and Phillies in the World Series while we convince ourselves that next year, maybe Pelfrey will finally come thru and win more then 12 games. Mike Pelfrey–the second coming of John Maine
• Trufan August 27, 2011 at 5:56 pm

  People are down on Wright for the same faulty reason as they are on Pagan. Wright’s BABIP this season is more than .040 points lower than his career average. He is striking out less and walking more this season than 2010. His HR/flyball is also down from his career average. His defense is poor.

  The point is, you don’t trade a productive player when his value is low, especially when it’s low due to bad luck and not a deterioration of actual skill.
• realitychuck August 27, 2011 at 6:03 pm

  Yes, let’s get a couple of B and B+ players for Wright. Our farm system will be spiffy, and it’s just what the Mets need — a two B+ players. The best way to have a great farm system is to continue to trade every A or A+ player on the roster for a bunch of mediocre prospects.

  Of course, the Mets will suck. You don’t win anything by trading A players for B prospects. But that won’t matter, because we’ll have a deep farm system.
• Jason Pafundi August 27, 2011 at 6:07 pm

  Tiedeyed, the Mets have tried to win with both Reyes and Wright and it hasn’t worked. In my opinion, Reyes is a superstar talent with a superstar charisma and that just isn’t something you can easily find.

  Somebody, name me the superstars in the major leagues. Anybody?
  • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    David Wright! Seriously he has had better stats in most categories (not stolen bases of course) than Reyes almost every single year of his career. He is not injury prone like Reyes. If you think the Mets will be better off without him I want some of what you have been smoking! If you don’t think he is an all star then explain his endorsements and name recognition nationwide. He might not be A Rod but then again I don’t think Wright will get in trouble for gambling and won’t cost as much. Are there better third basemen? Of course but the Mets can’t get them. Have the Mets EVER had a better third baseman? No way.
  • jessep August 27, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Jason: MLB Superstars in my view:

    Pujols. Jeter, Braun, Prince, Tulo, Hamilton, Howard, Longoria, ARod, Miggy, Utley

    (non-pitchers)

    I consider Superstars to be the absolute best of the best in baseball not just their position. Guys who EVERYBODY knows and EVERYBODY follows, not just the local market.

    Part of being a superstar for good or bad is being a media darling as well.
  • Metsie August 27, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    “the Mets have tried to win with both Reyes and Wright and it hasn’t worked.”

    So you think because we haven’t won with two allstars we MIGHT win without ANY?

    You think that is logical?

    Here is an analogy for your line of thinking….

    I can’t beat up the bully with the arms I have so maybe if I cut off both my arms I can win the fight!

    Thats pretty much the way your thinking Jason!

    If we haven’t won with TWO All Stars did it ever occurr to you that you need MORE all stars not FEWER to win a WS?

    Do the Phillies and Yankees have fewer than two All Stars? Is that the key to their success?

    If you desire MORE greatness and the Greatness you have is not enough the solution is to ADD Greatness not Get rid of the little greatness you have!
  • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 7:22 am

    Sorry Reyes is NOT a superstar.

    He’s an electric player and sure is fun to watch.

    You can’t be a superstar when the last three years you average less then 90 games.

    He’s very fast, steals base, and THIS year has been hitting machine, but one half year does not a superstar make.
    • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 9:00 am

      so, jose reyes is not a superstar… hmmmmm.. can you give me a few of your superstars?? besides arod, jeter, pujols, you know.. the obvious choices.. it’d be interesting to see who are your superstars..
      • jessep August 29, 2011 at 10:02 am

        I gave my list alex

        Pujols. Jeter, Braun, Prince, Tulo, Hamilton, Howard, Longoria, ARod, Miggy, Utley

        And Jason added Ichiro to which I agree.

        Some are different types of superstars. A superstar to me is a guy everybody who casually watches baseball knows. Somebody the media loves (for better or worse it’s part of the territory), somebody who year after year you know what you’re going to get and somebody’s who if their performance isn’t upper echelon their popularity carries them.

        Both Reyes & Wright are not superstars.
        • XtreemIcon August 29, 2011 at 10:07 am

          David Ortiz is a superstar. And Bautista will be next year after his second straight MVP. I would also add Chipper, although the casual fan might follow that up with, “he’s still playing?”

          And don’t forget Scott Hatteberg. The greatest player ever.
          • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 10:08 am

            in dominican republic jose bautista IS A SUPERSTAR!!
            • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 10:08 am

              in DR jose bautista IS A SUPERSTAR!!
          • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 10:25 am

            josh hamilton won the mvp last year..
          • jessep August 29, 2011 at 10:21 am

            Xtreem: You know Bautista did not win the MVP last year right?

            I can live with Ortiz, good call.
            • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 10:24 am

              i was actually posting the same thing, but again, i figure he still thinking how much we can pay up chris young next year..
            • XtreemIcon August 29, 2011 at 10:27 am

              I wake up at 10am. It happens. I think I tried to block the snub out of my mind. I guess it worked.
              • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 10:29 am

                ???????
                • XtreemIcon August 29, 2011 at 3:13 pm

                  The snub. Hamilton shouldn’t have won, Bautista should have.
        • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 10:07 am

          fair enough, is your opinion jesseP and i guess i’ll respect it, but i disagree with you.. imo both are superstars.. they’ve arrived in 2006, yet they’ve been on decline based on the team’s poorly play since 2009 and up. btw, utley is not a superstar imo.
          • jessep August 29, 2011 at 10:20 am

            They aren’t national names as much. It’d be nice if they were but people outside of NY don’t go out of their way to see Wright & Reyes right now. In 2006, maybe… but times have changed.

            Think about this okay… Reyes had one of the best 1st half’s we’ve ever seen and he needed a last minute campaign just to get enough all-star votes. If that was a guy like Evan Longoria, he would have coasted to an all-star campaign and he plays in a much worse market.
            • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 10:28 am

              if a team starts to lose, the media couldn’t care for them as much.. we all seen this happen a lot, also, even though wright was an all star he was once a voted in all star at the last minute, don’t put too much into that.. fans of teams that are winning sometimes vote for them, rememeber this, carlos beltran was a 2005 all star, he was AWFUL to say the least that year, yet voted in.. it changes from year to year..
              • jessep August 29, 2011 at 10:43 am

                well one could argue being a superstar means you’re a winner too no?

                I mean, they are both in the next tier of players. Guys like Morneau, Hanley, Holliday are in that same group.
                • alex68 August 29, 2011 at 10:47 am

                  ahhh, fair enough, but, to be a superstar you’re team has to be a winner, i mean, most of the guys you mention are either WS champions, AL or NL champions, Division winners, MVP’s, Batting Tittle winners, GG winners, i mean.. you HAVE to be a good player on a good team.. right???
• Little Nicky August 27, 2011 at 6:13 pm

  Yes lets trade Wright with due haste and maybe add a couple of more wet dreams to go with the Single A prospect and two PTBNLs we already got for Beltran and KRod. Then we will be all set to hoist a new world series flag in 2013.
• MetFan Lou August 27, 2011 at 6:15 pm

  You see this is what happens when a wuss of a hurricane shuts ‘em out doe the weekend. Hurrican Irener will have top winds of 75 while this guy is blowing (or should I say sucking) at more than 100 miles an hour. You see I was so high after the great 6-0 win over the Braves and now this guy tries to blow all that away (bad pun I know). David Wright is not going anywhere-period-fini!
• dollardave August 27, 2011 at 6:36 pm

  I agree that David Wright should be traded. Note: I am a big David Wright fan. However, the Mets are definitely rebuilding. If they can trade him for a few good to very good prospects (and that is a big “if”), I say go for it. There is a chance that Daniel Murphy/Josh Statin/Zach Lutz could man 3rd base. This could strengthen/deepen the farm system, save the organization some money, and get a reasonable return on a very good player. This is one of the few positions where the Mets have depth at the major and minor league level. I do acknowledge that none of the aforementioned players have Wright’s potential or fielding prowess, but they may be reasonable major league players.
• jessep August 27, 2011 at 5:52 pm

  Can I ask perhaps a silly question?

  Why is Reyes irreplaceable but Wright isn’t? I mean don’t get me wrong, I’m for the best thing for the franchise. If dealing Wright does that, I’m fine by it.

  But realistically why is Reyes irreplaceable?

  If you’re speaking truthful, how many 3B in baseball as old as or younger than Wright would be just as good? Maybe 4? Sandoval, Zimmerman, Longoria, and maybe Freese?

  Realistically if you replaced Reyes with Tulo, Castro, Asdrubal, Andrus, Alexei Ramirez, Yunel, Peralta you’d be just fine wouldn’t you?

  Wouldn’t that make Wright less replaceable than Reyes? When I think replaceable, I think what does it take to be just as good as the best teams in baseball, not which scenario do I like better. Reyes has his fans, Wright has his. But at the end of the day, there are less players at 3B at a similar age than there are like Reyes.

  And further, offense+defense is more important in today’s MLB at 3B than at SS. You are more likely to get away with a defensive minded SS than one who is an offensive stud. The proof is look at how many teams have a SS as one of their best run producers.

  In a perfect world, they’d both stay… but life isn’t perfect.
  • BB August 27, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Both positions are difficult to fill, there aren’t very many good players at either SS or 3b throughout the league and the best ones aren’t going to be moved. Murph is probably a better player than Tejada so in that sense I think the Mets alternate inhouse option at 3b is better than the one at SS.

    Reyes’ skillset is certainly more unique. However, I don’t think any one player is truly irreplaceable. As unique as Reyes is plenty of teams over the years have been able to be successful without Jose Reyes on their team. Similiarly while Pujols has been the best player in the league just about every year, other teams win more than the Cards do, despite not having Albert.
    • metsguppy August 27, 2011 at 8:04 pm

      As good as Reyes is you have to factor in that he will probably get injured. A lot. He has been injured most years he has played and missed significant time. The Mets are already planning for Reyes to have to rest next season because he is so injury prone. I don’t see any plans like that for Wright after he broke his freaking back! And Murphy really isn’t an option as a fielder because simply he sucks in the field and makes Pagan look like a genius.
  • OmarFan August 28, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Point is WE don’t have anyone who can replace Reyes. We DO have someone who could replace Wright. Murph has proven to be an effective hitter. The only question seems to be his defense. I don’t think a return to 3B would hurt the team at all. The outcry is coming from Wright fans. The Mets need BETTER middle of the order hitters. Wright is NOT a carry the team player. He never has been. He never will be. Will Duda and Ike be the middle of the order guys to carry the team? We will see about that, because the Wilpons aren’t spending money.

    This team has never fallen apart with Wright out of the lineup. It HAS fallen apart without Jose Reyes.
    • JoeSmith August 28, 2011 at 11:26 am

      The whole Reyes can carry the team, Wright can not, is quite possibly the most empty argument ever.

      When Wright went down he still had Beltran, Murphy, a very hot Turner in the lineup, and a pitching staff and bullpen that were seriously overachieving.

      When it’s Wright playing, now Reyes is down, Murphy is down, Turner cooled off, Beltran is gone and the pitchers have for the most part forgotten how to get players out.

      To be a championship team, ONE player can never carry a team, a Championship team has at least 95% of all their players carrying their own weight.

      So to determine who should be traded by a few weeks of play is idiotic.
      • jessep August 28, 2011 at 3:08 pm

        Leadoff hitters don’t carry teams. Name 1 team in Major League Baseball that their fans look at their #1 hitter rather than a 3/4/5 and say “he carries the team.”

        They don’t. Not even Ichiro carried Seattle.
        • Original Mets Fan August 28, 2011 at 3:25 pm

          Pete Rose, Ricky Henderson, Joe Morgan, Tim Raines, Wade Boggs carried their teams plenty of times in their careers batting leadoff. You cant just wipe away a players impact and accomplishments with a wave of your hand simply because of where they batted in the order.
          • jessep August 28, 2011 at 3:52 pm

            I’m not sure I’d label Morgan, or Boggs as “leadoff” hitters. Since they weren’t really. I’ll give you Ricky and Rose but let’s also be honest and admit we’re talking about ALL TIME Greats in baseball. We’re not talking about Jose Reyes. He’s not an all-time great.

            And my statement was relevant to 2011 not to 1980′s etc. Baseball has changed. 3-4-5 hitters are what win you games offensively, not #1 hitters.

            Boston, NYY, Texas, Stl, Cincy, Milwaukee… the league’s best offense and they are all carried by the heart of their order. Boston is a slight loophole just because of the amazing year Ellsbury is (or was) having, but even still you think about AGone, Youk etc. primarily.

            Do you need both types of talents? Of course but I’ll take a roster full of 3-4-5 hitters over a lineup made of leadoff hitters any day.
  • metsaddict77 August 28, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    no and no
• Jason Pafundi August 27, 2011 at 8:50 pm

  Jessep- I agree with your list. Maybe I add in a Matt Kemp or a Reyes or a Jose Bautista, Joe Mauer before being injured, Ichiro is still one of the all-time greats.

  But as we can see, the superstar label gets thrown around way too easily. There just aren’t that many superstars, David Wright included.
  • jessep August 28, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Kemp is def. not a superstar. A superstar to me is a guy that a casual fan knows. Which is why Reyes and Bautista are not superstars. Being very good and being a superstar is a fine line.

    Also a superstar to me is a player you KNOW what you will get year after year.

    Mauer had this big injury but he’s still a superstar in my book.

    Ichiro is a different type but I agree, he is a superstar.
• Mex_17 August 27, 2011 at 8:52 pm

  I’m still laughing at this statement:
  “Can we all agree that Joe Reyes is an irreplaceable superstar, who has been bitten by the injury bug?”

  Uh, yeah, if he’s “irreplaceable”, and “bitten by the injury bug”…Doesn’t that imply that the Mets constantly have to find replacements for their “irreplaceable superstar”?

  I liked Wright and Reyes when they were making less than $5M a year. When they want $15-20M per year…Not so much.

  Let’s be serious, neither Wright nor Reyes are worth anything north of $15M/year.
• JJMooney August 28, 2011 at 2:57 am

  The justification is flawed, facts are manipulated to push a flawed opinion. The following questions must be answered;

  1) If they haven’t won with Wright, Reyes has been in the team roughly the same amount of time, so they havent won with Reyes,
  2) Jose cant carry the team for extended periods, you can’t win games from the DL,
  3) At 20m, the real cost of Jose is closer to 25-30m when you take into account time on the DL,
  4) Bitten by the injury bug somewhat this year, this is is best year in the last 3! Talk about disposing of the facts that don’t conform to the theory,

  Finally I never get excited about losing with flair, losing is losing. If you want to waste 100m+ on a guy that by all reasonable measures will play 50% of the games, your surname should be Wilpon!
  • metsaddict77 August 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    the team is rebiulding,wright probably will be traded at some point, they are not going to sign reyes.the days of spending are comung to an end.we are going to be a poor team for awhile.u can get down on reyes for injuries all u guys want but how many of our players have not been on the dl in the last three years, like all of them at some point.our problems go so far beyond whether or not we have reyes and wright on the team.fact is we need more hitters in our linup to protact those guys and we just don’t have the firepower now or in the foreseeable future.
    • Metsie August 28, 2011 at 5:39 pm

      This team isn’t rebuuilding are you serious?
      It’s being torn down Brick by Brick!

      The only thing being rebuilt is the Minor Leagues!
      At the expense of all the SUCCESSFUL players who came out of it!
      • metsaddict77 August 28, 2011 at 5:45 pm

        well yeah first SA will gut the team and over the next 7 seven years they will be rebiulding, at the expense of all the SUCCESSFUL players who came out of it.hell if jhan comes back effective SA will probably trade him too.high priced talent will become a thing of the past for us.we shop for blue light specials now.
        • Metsie August 29, 2011 at 1:21 am

          Dude if Sandy guts the team he won’t be here past year 3!

          I know all these guys think that Sandy is going to give them their Moneyball fix but the truth is if he was going to do that we wouldn’t be talking about who to trade because they would already be gone!
• joe August 28, 2011 at 1:49 pm

  Nice piece and the truth be told! Mets need 3 or 4 top prospects with at least 1 or 2 projected to play in 2012 the other 2 in 2013 Thats another clubs top AAA prospects and a couple top AA guys. 1 should be a 5 tooler OF the other Pitching prospects live 93 mph plus arms…It’s pitching defense and a 3 run homer , hello Earl Weaver, that will get the Mets back on top in that stadium..so start shaping the team now..
• martin August 28, 2011 at 3:22 pm

  every trade sicussion of anyone is meaningless without context. eery player should be traded if the offer is good enough. even pujols should be traded if you get back the 5 best pitchers in the league. so you cant really discuss whether wright should be traded without discussing who he should be traded for.