29
2010
Roy Oswalt Approves Trade, He Will Be A Phillie
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Done Deal!
Jayson Stark of ESPN.com is reporting that Houston Astros ace Roy Oswalt has agreed to a deal that will send him to the Philadelphia Phillies for J.A. Happ and two minor leaguers, Jonathon Villar and Anthony Gose. In other words, the Phillies keep their top two hitting and top two pitching prospects.
That would be the equivalent of trading Bobby Parnell or Jon Niese, plus Lucas Duda and Scott Moviel. Basically, Oswalt straight up for Niese or Parnell. <shakeshead>
Give it up for the Phillies GM, who once again swoops in and lands the biggest fish in the sea for his team and fanbase.
The Phillies mean business and they will stop at nothing to deliver another winner to the city of Philadelphia.
With their offense finally clicking and posting huge numbers again, Oswalt should just about seal the deal for the defending National League Champs, and barring inury or a Mets-like choke, they will once again be printing post season tickets for their fans come September.
The Astros will pay $11 million of the approximately $23 million Oswalt has guaranteed through 2011, and most likely the Phillies will exercise the 2012 option as part of the agreement.
That will give the Phillies a 1-2 punch of Roy Halladay and Roy Oswalt through the next three seasons; two of the premier pitchers in baseball.
Cole Hamels goes from number two pitcher, to probably the best number three pitcher in the league if not the game.
If great pitching really does beat great hitting, and if pitching is 90% of the game, then the Phillies have just gotten a ton better.
Let’s ask Johan who the best pitcher in the NL East is again, because a lot has changed since last March.
Original Post 9:19 AM
According to KRIV in Houston, the Philadelphia Phillies have made a deal with the Houston Astros for Roy Oswalt.
The deal is now pending Oswalt’s approval as he would need to waive his no-trade clause.
Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com says Oswalt could require the Phillies to guarantee his club option for 2012 in exchange for waiving his no-trade clause. He does not want to go to Philadelphia, according to one source with knowledge of his thinking. But Oswalt told reporters earlier this week, “location doesn’t matter.”
Jon Heyman of SI.com via Twitter writes that the Astros and Phillies were discussing J.A. Happ, RHP Vance Worley, and two younger pitchers.
Obviously, if Oswalt approves the trade, this will bolster the Phillies for a strong finish and another post season run.
As for the Mets, they were never in it. They never spoke to the Astros about Oswalt and never had any intention of taking on his salary. In fact, several reports now say that they are not in the mix for Ted Lilly or Brett Myers.
More to come…
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Wow..we better take all 3 from the D-bags..cuz playing @ATL and @PHilly…it aint gonna be easy. Especially since we can hit away from home to save a life
There it is, extra whipped cream and a cherry on top. I hope you’re enjoying the agony you put Mets fans through Wilpons! Sell the team. For God’s sake sell the team. Go run the Dodgers they need a new owner, and leave us alone. We need an owner who loves New York, loves the Mets, and knows what number Gary Carter wore when asked. You have made us suffer long enough.
I’m not upset about losing out on the Oswalt sweepstakes. However, the Phillies took advantage of the Astros incompetence are should be arrested for burglary. That said, I am more upset about the Mets allowing him to be dealt within the division. Now that steams me. It shows once again that the Mets are not committed to anything, least of all winning. I can ‘t wait to hear the excuses of not getting in the Oswalt deal or at least trying we’re going to hear from Minaya. OOOH I cannot wait.
I was commenting on two posts at the same time and lost track. My first sentence there makes no sense. Phillies took advantage AND should be arrested for burglary
This clearly was a salary dump for the Astros and the Mets were not willing to eat that much of the contract. Quite franlkly I can’t blame the Mets ownership for forking up the money when the fans refuse to attend games. I said this before in a post and everyone told me the same lame ass story. I suggested the fan base show a sign of good faith by filling seats earlier in the season, but everyone griped about how the Wilpons and the Mets owed you something before you were willing to spring for a ticket. Well you can’t complain about management sitting on their hands when the you the fans do the same thing.
You want to compete with the Phillies and Yankees for players, you want the Wilpons to throw money at players, well fill the ballpark, then you have a legitimate gripe. If I were Jeff, I would be sick and tired of front millions of dollars of my own money for a fan base that refuses to fork out $40 for a ticket.
You only want to fill 50% of the seats, then you get 50% of a winning ball club!
Of course it’s a salary dump. Small market team looking for big market team bent on winning. Enter the Phillies. They get Houston to eat 11 mil, give them marginal prospects, and get the keys to the Rolls Royce.
Did I read your post wrong? Are you saying that it’s on the fans to fill the seats at Citifield if we want them to build a winner? Is that what you’re saying?
We broke an attendance record in 2006, and they stood pat in 2007 when we needed a number two pitcher to pair with Tom Glavine who wasn’t even an ace anymore. Your theory is wrong. You build a winner and the fans will come in droves. It’s not the other way around.
Sorry Scotty but I don’t see any logic in your argument. The Wilpons will spend money when they have to – when the loans and bills come in for the stadium and team and the fans stop coming.
Just thhink of the New York Giants Football team of the ’70s. They would sell out Giants stadium week after week and management did little to nothing to fix the problem – because they didn’t have to – because the seats were filled regardless of what they did.
The phillies sell out their stdium every game and have for a while. Why? Because management decided to put a winning team on the field.
Before then, the stadium was a ghost town – and when the Mets played Phillie in Philadelphia – there were more Mets fans in the seats then Phillie fans.
If the Mets put an inferior team on the field and they don’t makes logical moves to help the clubs – then you watch the games on TV – you do not support the Wilpons.
They will only make a move when they have to.
And please, keep Little Jeffie Wilpon the hell away from the club – he is an idiot.
Wow! Just wow! We were owned again by the Phillies! This is getting fun for them. The Braves get Gonazalez, the Phillies get Oswalt and the Mets are looking for takers for Failcoeur? Talk about organizations going in opposite directions.
I look at the trade another way. The Astros accommodated Oswalt.
Oswalt wants to be part of that “Philly World Series thing.”
Also the Astros are not trading the Roy Oswalt of 5 even 3 yrs ago, they are instead trading pitcher who is clearly on the down slope of his career. We’re not talking about a horse of a man here we’re considering a pitcher who is barely 5’11 180 lbs. This is not meant as an insult to Oswalt. Oswalt’s career has been outstanding and his reputation as a hard nosed just give me the ball type pitcher is noted. Oswalt knows this. How else can you explain a starting pitcher choosing to pitch in that tiny little horrid back-yard of a stadium. Oswalt wants a ring. Oswalt was never going to the Mets becasue Oswalt doesn’t think the Mets give him a better chance than the Phillies to obtain his ring in the next two years. Imagine the pitcher Roy Oswalt will be two years from now and you’ll understand his urgency.
If Oswalt thought he could be compete into his mid-late 30′s wouldn’t he have chosen to pitch in a Citi Field like stadium rather than wiffle-ball park?
I don’t fear Oswalt. No Met fan should. Oswalt is no Cliff Lee.
Wow. Astros got fleeced on this deal. Phillies gave up just Happ and two C-list prospects(one of whom was flipped to Toronto), AND force the Astros to kick in $11 million?!?
Awful trade by Houston.
Wow so their big rebuild idea is
-J.A. Happ
-an OF with 3 yrs of minor league service with 2 under .700 OPS yrs and one .710
-a 19 yr old SS with 3 yrs in the minors OPS .708, .700, .690 from least recent to present
Houston = next Pirates
Actually, not so bad for Houston as they traded one of the players (Anthony Gose) to the Blue Jays for Brett Wallace. Wallace is a top end hitting prospect who could move right in at 1B in Houston should they trade Berkman. So I’d say Happ and Wallace by themselves make this a good trade for the Astros.
86mets: Did you know Wallace started a fist fight with…. Ike Davis once? I agree in terms of talent Houston made up for it with Wallace, but he has some off the field demons to deal with
Lopsided trade ever. To complicate matters for the Phils is that Werth could be in another city next year since the Phils will have to take on another bid salary with Oswalt. Mets management unfortunately hit the snooze button again. Missed the big fish one too many times.
THe trade is NOT lopsided! THe Philies now have 16million a year added to their already bloated payroll for the next 2 years!
The Phillies are paying 16million a year for a mid level at best starting pitcher.
The Phillies are paying Oswalt $12MM a season. Houston pays the rest. So we pay Oliver Perez the same money to sit in the back of the bullpen and play with himself. Tip your hat to the smarter organization.
Domonic Brown will make Jayson Werth an afterthough next season. He is as big a talent as Ken Griffey Jr. was in 1989 only better suited for corner outfield. As for Werth, he will leave cozy CBP and get overpaid by someone and disappear into obscurity like Aaron Rowand did before him.
I can’t argue with the Oliver Perez contract comparison. And I resent you sinking my battle ship without allowing me at least the frivolity of a few zinger blog posts before hitting me broadside with a olivand erperez-torpedo.
I have gone belly up have sunken swiftly into the dark depths of the sea. I hope you are happy.
lol, sorry lifelong, didn’t mean to sink you. I always enjoy your comments and admire your positive outlook.
It’s cool. Someone has to remind us “optimists” of the facts.
Sorry typo I meant big, not bid
I know we all feel pretty crappy about the Phillies getting a quality starting pitcher however please consider that the Mets may have what is to be one of the best starting staffs in the National League for the next several years! And somehow someway Omar with the exception of has manged to get them cheap!
Santana- 18million a year(who knows it’s up there!)
Pelfrey- 550,000 this year and next then eligible for arbitration
no free agency for 5 yrs!
Niese- $500,000 (no arbitration or free agency for years!)
RA Dickey- $450,000? LOck this guy up now! Sign this guy NOW to a 2 yr. 6 million deal!
Henry Mejda- $500,000? years away from aritration or free agency
Compare this with the Phillie starting pitcher payroll!
We have money to lock up Reyes to a long term deal!
And after Beltran comes off the books after 2011 we;ll have money to sign the next big free agent!
We’re ok.
R.A. Dickey is a free agent after this season. He has 8 ML seasons, and the arbitration clock stopped the day he became a minor league free agent with the Rangers. This winter, Dickey will get at least a 2 year deal worht $25 million if not more.
Wait until Oswalt gets a whiff of that bandbox the Phillies play in, he will be reduced to a mere mortal. Mark my words.
You may not have known this, but Roy Oswalt is 4-0 with a 2.60 ERA in Citizens Bank Park.
She is in some serious denial.
I think youre just being a jealous unrealistic mets fan. The phillies are going to stick it to our face this year and next. and if oswalt suceeds they have an extra year. You know the astros didnt get owned…if anyone got owned it was the mets. Once again, they sit pat and do nothing while other teams in their division improve themselves. Once again we will get the ‘we are a talented team bull and we just need to work better to get good pitching and timely hits’
The phillies stole that one from the astros. They gave marginal prospects. If all the mets had to give up was basically BobbY Parnell, some chump, and some chump and get the astros to kick in 11 million dollars, I dont understand why they didnt try harder.
You might not want to admit it, but the phillies went from pretenders to super contenders. They have the best 1,2,3 punch in baseball and the scary thing is Cole Hamels is just growing up still.
Take that mets, thats how you do business.
I never whine about poor decisions by mets but Haren and Oswalt went for nothing, and yeah while the mets offense is not exactly intimidating, pitching wins ballgames. Period.
Johan is human, Pelfrey is a mess and we are relying on a 35 year old knuckleballer with no history of success to actually save our season and make us contenders.
If the mets are not going to be buyers, then they should try to be sellers. Stop pretending.
Why does he use the word “our?” He’s no Met fan.
More than you are. I know very well tha the phils have the best 123 in baseball and I am not in denial like some of you people are. This one hurts but you got to admit it and admit the phillies are currently simply a better organization. If you don’t then I need to ask you if you have any knowledge of baseball whatsoever.
It’s 10:54am on Friday. I am just now reading your reply to my reply to your post. How horrid! Please don’t compare me to you or associate my name with you in any way. What are you doing sitting in front of a computer anyway? Don’t you have a filed to trespass on, a father and his 12 yr old daughter to vomit on or a trombone to tune up? Disgusting! Keep away. I suddenly feel the need to shower.
What a drama queen. Did you study theatre you mets fan with no baseball knowledge?
LOL. You sound like a such a sissy its not even funny. Its pitiful
The Mets didn’t “try harder” because even before Lee got dealt, Oswalt said he wouldn’t approve a trade to EITHER New York team. He never had any design on coming to NY and there was nothing the Mets could do to get Oswalt.
People who complain and say that the Mets sat back and did nothing while the rest of the division got better doesn’t pay attention. If you think Alex Gonzales is a winning baseball player, then you’re lost. And if you think the Phils “stuck it to the Mets,” you’re even more lost, because the Mets were never a player in the Oswalt sweepstakes.
I dont really think the Astros got fleeced. It’s a buyers market and it has been for 20 months now. That’s why it’s a good time to get in on players of this quality. We bought high on Ollie and Castillo because it was a sellers market back then, but now look at the quality of second basemen you can get for the same money we paid Castillo. Same can be said for Perez.
You look at the last few trades for quality pitching and you have some examples in Cliff Lee, Dan Haren and Roy Oswalt. Everyone believes they were had on the cheap, and they were if you compared them to 2008. But in a free market you dont get what you want, you get what someone is willing to pay you. That’s the true value of a player.
Obviously, nobody was willing to top what the Phillies offered, so that was essentially what Oswalt was worth. That’s my take on it. In retrospect, the Mets could have gotten Roy Oswalt without having to give up Ike Davis, Jon Niese or any of their top 5 prospects. But as I’ve been saying for a long time now, the Mets are broke. Their actions speak louder than any words that Fred or Jeff Wilpon will tell you.
Joe I agree with your stimation of Oswalt’s value. However the Mets were never getting Oswalt because Oswalt would not have approved a trade to the Mets. Oswalt wants a ring within the next 2 years ie. Phillies, Yankees, or St. Louis.
Coming off the Mets books after 2011 is about $48 Million. Big time bucks.
Carlos Beltran $18.5M
Oliver Perez $12M
Frankie Rodriguez $11.5M
Luis Castillo $6M
Nothing to get excited about. As long as it’s the same people buying the groceries, not much will change.
2012
ss Jose Reyes (provided he is signed)
2b Reese Havens(potentially)
3b David Wright
Lf Jason Bay
1b Ike Davis
Cf Angel Pagen
Rf Fernando Martinez/ Wilmer Flores(potentially)
C Josh Thole
P
Starters
Santana
Pelfrey
Niese
Dickey (they HAVE to sign this guy!)
Medja
I can live with this.
I dont see one legitimate 35+ home run guy, let alone the 2-3 we’d need to contend with the Phillies next season. I doubt a team based on that lineup would exceed more than the 95 homeruns they had in 2009 when they finished last in the league.
Wright folds under pressure now, can you imagine if he had to be counted on to carry a team?
Better get Prince Fielder and throw Ike Davis in RF.
By the way, whoever wrote it earlier today is right, how will the cash strapped Mets keep Reyes when they are going to need Texeir sized contract to keep Wright?
It may be time to decide if we want Reyes or Wright, keeping both may no longer be an option after next season. Especially when Johan and Bay’s heavily backloaded contracts kick in.
That means after the 2011 season the Met payroll will be 80+ million as opposed to what it is today.That loss of payroll means nothing. The question is when do the Mets do what they have done in the past?Start trading people and not renewing their deals?Is Reyes the first…I think he has a club option for next year.The fact that fans wonder whether we can afford Reyes and Wright shows how far we have fallen expectation wise.Quite sad if you ask me and pathetic for a NY team but I have been through this before.
Let me pose the question….we all agree that we’d like an upgrade – a pitcher, perhaps so Takashi can go back to the pen.
Who are you willing to give up and to get whom?
Didn’t someone mention that Oswalt did not want to come to either NY team?
I’m all for a trade, but I don’t know who I’d want to give up, please don’t say Castillo and/or Perez, we know who wants them…..no one.
Sometimes, I think we (and I do it too), get mad because someone else did something and we didnt. I don’t think we want a trade simply for the sake of the trade.
Who can we get, and who can we trade.
start by trading for edwin jackson, who at least has potential and will cost nothing.
sign de la rosa in the offseason.
trade ike for a-gon.
trade niese or pelfrey for greinke. throw in carter, nieve, whoever, just get him.
staff: santana, greinke, pelfrey or niese, de la rosa, jackson
relief: mejia
infield: a-gon, tejada, reyes, wright
outfield: bay, pagan, ??? ( f-mart )
catcher: thole
while we’re at it. may as well get asdrubal cabrera from cleveland, also for nothing. too bad callaspo was scooped up by scioscia.
I would not trade Ike at all.
Trade for Edwin Jackson – but you don’t say how. Everyone has great ideas, but does any actually realize it just not that easy. Hence we are a behind a computer and not baseball GM’s.
If Haren and Oswalt+$11 million can go for a fourth starter and 2 prospects, then I assume Edwin Jackson can go for just the 2 prospects. I agree if AZ asks for anyone actually in the majors, I wouldn’t do it.
Not trade Ike for a 28 year old guy who leads a division leader in every offensive category ? Ike is hitting .252 by the way. Ok then.
Now that the white sox have traded for Edwin Jackson for a 19 year old, and a 23 year old rookie with a 2-2 record and a 7.34 ( not a typo, 7.34 ERA). I hope you understand what I meant by “get Edwin Jackson”. Surely, we have offered up something equal to that.
The only one who really knows who we can obtain and for who is the GM. Only Minaya knows how serious he is about getting players. Everything else we hear or talk about, I have said from the beginning, is baloney.I feel over the past several years the trading deadline is not in play for Minaya.My problem is they way things are twisted to make fools of the fans.What has been in the papers the past several days is that the Mets feel they can get a good pitcher in A U G U S T. Why don’t we wait for say the 3rd week of September to pick up someone?
knock knock
who’s there
cantu
cantu who ?
cantu effing do something omar ?
LMAO! That’s a good one!
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It is now safe to say that the Phillies are becoming the Yankees of the NL East by now getting another high-priced picher. We are 52-50 with playing rookies and people on the scrap-heap, 2 up and coming pitchers and one ace. The Phillies now have the 2 Roys, one of which is only 11-8. Let’s just dump Ollie, move Takahashi back to the pen and call up Misch and I will take my chances. Let’s go Mets!!
What a shame Philadelphia,which is basically the bowel area of New Jersey,is given the NL EAST.A city which erects a statue to a fictional character (Rocky) and the people are dumb enough to think he is real!The character Rocky was based on Chuck Wepner who was from New Jersey to begin with. Its a sad day in the NY NJ area.
I have a trade proposal for a deal Mr. Wilpon would have to make. Send a package which would consist of Jerry Manuel and Omar Minaya plus 2 mid level prospects to the Phillies for Ruben Amaro Jr.
No worries Mets fans! Omar got us Chad Cordero!