31
2009
Morning Grind – Manuel Guilty Of Malpractice, Redd Alert, Dan Haren
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Today’s Hot Point Issues
1. What was Jerry Manuel expecting on Saturday when he trotted out that ridiculous lineup on a day that we were already at a disadvantage with Tim Redding on the mound versus Mets killer, Josh Johnson?
The Mets owe all the fans in attendance a refund for Saturday!
Imagine shelling out $300 bucks for a family outing to CitiField… the only chance you’ll get to do it… and then seeing Ramon Martinez, Jeremy Reed, Brian Schneider, Dan Murphy, Fernando Tatis, Angel Pagan, Fernando Martinez and Wilson Valdez on the field.
Is this the guy that vowed to manage the season with an “every game counts” mentality? That’s what he preached to his players all spring right?
Well shouldn’t he practice what he preaches?
If there was such a thing as managerial malpractice, Manuel was certainly guilty of it on Saturday.
My advice to Jerry Manuel when filling out a lineup card… Garbage In, Garbage Out!
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2. How many more losses before we blow-up the Tim Redding experiment and send him to the bullpen which was the original plan anyway?
The Mets have lost all three games he’s started, he has an 9.09 ERA that makes Oliver Perez look like Sandy Koufax, he’s more hittable than than a piñata, and his strikeout to walk ratio is equivalent to the number of moons our planet earth has.
He has been dreadful, and going back to the “every game counts” mentality, isn’t time for a change?
Isn’t it time to start considering other options, including trade options?
Houston, Colorado, Arizona, San Diego and Oakland are all out of it already with each of them in double digits in games back. As I look at their rosters I see a boatload of starters that would give the Mets rotation a shot in the arm.
We hear Jake Peavy’s name mentioned a lot, but how about Chris Young?
I’m sure that the D’Backs would love to unload Doug Davis who seems to keep pitching one solid game after another. He has a 3.65 ERA and is holding opposing batters to a .245 average. Or better yet, what about Dan Haren and his pristine 2.54 ERA to go with his 71 strikeouts and 9 walks! Could you imagine having a starter who averages less than a walk per game? We should be all over him…
Those are just a couple of guys that can be had with some of Omar’s persuasive phone calls.
Do something already!
About the Author: Joe DeCaro
Went to my first Mets game, a Mayors Trophy game at Shea, in '73. We beat the Yankees 8-4 and I was hooked. I marched in two Banner Day parades, and before the Grand Slam single, there was the "Hendu Can Do" grand slam - I was there. I've collected Mets memorabilia all my life and started Mets Merized Online to feed my addiction.
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I’ll be the first to say that Jerry Manuel has made some huge gaffes this season in addition to that unholy lineup card he filled out yesterday. It really is time to start thinking about replacing him. He thinks he’s being f*****g cute but really he makes me want to strangle him!
He makes ME want to throw up!!
Calm down bandwagon fan. We’re a half game back and half our lineup is hurt. What do you want him to put out there??
How do you explain away resting your 3 healthy starters (Sheffield, Wright, and Castillo) all at once and starting a sick regular (Beltran)? It’s inexplicable to me. Those 3 should have been rested one day apiece. It’s OK if he wanted to rest Wright yesterday, but Sheffield and Castillo should have started. Seems as though Beltran should have been resting instead of those guys. Jerry just plain tossed that game in the trash can. He thinks he’s a genius, but the reality is quite a bit short of that lofty state.
Bandwagon fan? What does that have to do with that lineup from saturday? Stop drinking so early in the morning steamboat!
Exactly, half the lineup is hurt. So, there is no excuse for resting what few stars you have left (who have been spared from the injury bug) ALL ON THE SAME DAY!! It was like a late spring training game out there yesterday. It doesn’t matter if we were a half game out or 15 games out, you play to win. And that was NOT the best lineup he could have put out there with WHAT HE HAD!!
As much as it would be nice to get Dan Haren, that is never going to happen, at least not till he hits the FA market.
Couldn’t agree with you more about charging filet mignon prices and put out chuck steak product. Plain and simple, there is not much depth in the Mets organization.
If Jerry was going to sink the ship from the opening pitch on a premium pricing Saturday, the least the Mets organization could have done was open up the concession stands on a complimentary basis. Throw the fans a bone when you know up front that you are fleeceing them.
Manuel is a first class idiot. I can’t stand the way he always makes excuses for his players when they screw up. He has no idea how to manage in the NL.
140 million dollar roster? The worst Triple A team in baseball, one of the worst farm systems. After the stars and the 2nd tier players team roster very weak. The only area where I see strength is the bullpen.
Not only families paying hundreds of dollars to see C lineup but paying fans also have to see a kid learning how to play OF/1B (Murphy) when he should be learning that in the minors and half the team not hustling. If we’re not going to get to see major leaguers giving 100 percent at all times and ballplayers practicing on-the-job training then maybe we shouldn’t be paying 100 percent of the price.
And I’m a BIG fan of Ron Darling’s, but did you hear him at the start of the game? Something to the effect of that not being a “B” lineup, but more of an “A+” one?? Sorry, Ronnie, but I disagree. The defense may still be solid, but the offensive aspect of it was definitely a “C”!!
What are you talking about 1/2 the team not hustling? Come on, lets not blow things TOO far out of propotion. Bone head mistakes do NOT equate to not hustling. This team, as depleated as it is, would NOT have the results they do if 1/2 of them did not hustle.
Upset he sat too many people on the same day – sure ok, but not hustling – NO WAY……..
You are assuming that the $300 were not for one ticket . I agree that yesterdays lineup is wakeup call to Mets fans who wonder what is coming up through the system.Havens and Davis appear to be disastrous picks right now. F-mart seems to ready for triple A not MLB. I know he is a mere 20. but he is over-matched in many at bats so far. I still have hope, and I would keep him going. The Mets are lucky they are in the midst of playing horrible teams , Jerry must take advantage of that. I have not seen them play particularly well against a good team other than Philly early, and the escape of 2 of 3 in Boston.We all know that when the calendar hits 9/15/09 is when the meltdowns begin, not in May or June. As constructed this team is not a legit MLB champ. They need more. I would love Haren.
1. His excuse was “gotta lose a game to win a game.” LAME!
2. Finally someone agrees with me that we need Dan Haren. The guy is a beast. We need him. Trade Perez, Redding, and maybe even Broadway for Haren.
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DAVE, WHY WOULD AZ DO THAT? DO U BELIEVE THAT AS A NY FAN ALL NON-CONTENDING TEAMS OUT THERE ONLY SURVIVE TO DEVELOP ASSETS FOR NY PLACEMENT & WOULD BE THRILLED TO GIVE THEIR TOP TALENT TO NY FOR NY’s USELESS CRAP? YOU MUST HAVE BEEN A KILLER CARD TRADER ON THE SCHOOLYARD LAST YEAR, WEREN’T U? QUALITY BEGETS QUALITY IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES. IN THE NL WEST DIV EVERY TEAM IS IN IT UNTIL THEY ARE ELIMINATED. PERSONALLY, I’D SAY HAREN IS GOOD; BUT NOT THE RIGHT TARGET. TOO LOW. I’D PREFER, WITH TORONTO STUMBLING, THEY SHOOT FOR HALLADAY. I’D PKG PELFREY,PUTZ & MURPHY FOR HALLADAY & A 1 WEEK NEGOTIATION WINDOW AIMED AT GETTING “DOC” TO REWORK HIS CURRENT YEAR REMUNERATION TO KEEP US UNDER LUXURY TAX LINE AS DEMANDED BY OWNERSHIP. CURRENT BUFF IS 12.5M HALLIDAY DUE 14/15, REWORKED ala SAINTANA’s COULD MAKE IT HAPPEN. TORONTO CAN SELL IT TO FANS AS BULWARKING THEIR TEAM’S ABILITY TO IMPROVE RESULTS IN GAMES NOT STARTED BY HALLADAY IN GETTING 3 PROVEN MAJOR LEAGUERS INSTEAD OF PROSPECTS WITH NO IMMEDIATE BENEFIT. PELF REPL BY HALLADAY IN ROTATION, PUTZ BY WAGNER’S RETURN, MURPH BY DELGADO’S RETURN. BY 7/31 OMAR SHOULD HAVE AN EXCELLENT APPRECIATION FOR RETURNS OF DELGADO & WAGS. IF WAGS STUMBLES IN 8th, PARNELL IS SAFETY NET.THE OBVIOUS PLUS FOR TORONTO IS THEY GET AN IMMEDIATE REPLACEMENT IN ROTATION FOR HALLADAY IN A FIRST ROUNDER ALREADY TEMPERED BY MLB FIRE WITH A YOUNG, INEXPENSIVE, QUALITY ARM AS WELL AS A REPLACEMENT FOR EXPENSIVE, DISAPPOINTING CLOSER, BJ RYAN AND A YOUTHFUL DH CAPABLE OF ADEQUATLY FILLING IN ON DEFENSE, SPARINGLY. CERTAINLY THE MET FRANCHISE CAN’T COMPETE WITH DODGERS, YANKS, BOSOX IN COMPILING A PKG OF PROSPECTS. IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY TOUGH FOR TORONTO MNGT TO EXPLAIN GIVING UP ON SEASON TO FANS. YET BY ACCEPTING ESTABLISHED MAJOR LEAGUERS THEY CAN TALK TO BOLSTERING THE CHANCES OF WINNING ON DAYS HALLADAY DOESN’T START. THEY ADD 3 LESS EXPENSIVE, PRIME AGED CONTRIBUTORS TO THEIR ’09 CAMPAIGN & BEYOND. THIS IS A WIN/WIN TRANSACTION HAVING ALREADY LOST BURNETT TO THE YANKS FOR NO RETURN, TORONTO FANS CERTAINLY SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE FUTILITY OF HOPING TO RETAIN HALLADAY THROUGH THE ’10/’11 FREE AGENCY PROCESS. ON THE METS’ END, THOUGH THEY PART WITH A TALENTED YOUNG STUD IN PELFREY, THEY GET TO HARNESS A SECONF STUD ACE IN TANDEM WITH THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS. SAINTANA,HALLADAY,MAINE,LIVAN IS A PLAYOFF 4 FEW IN NL CAN MATCH, ESP PLAYING 50% IN CITI.
NO BASEBALL CARDS, NO “PASS-THE-TRASH” TALENTS. ALL HIGH QUALITY, HIGH TALENT STUD, PRIME AGED TALENTS.
THE KEY WILL BE FITTING HIM UNDER THE “LINE”. BEING ALLOWED TO REWORK AN EXTENSION THAT ALTERS CURRENT YR AS WITH SAINTANA
wow Dave, i would give you 3 tickets to a game and maybe a beer for Perez, Redding and broadway. if you want a top pitcher, you trade away your top prospect.
My guess is that they are showcasing F-Mart to trade him away in a month or sooner. i would be ok with that if we get someone with the resume of Peavy. Also, you eat half of Perez’s contract and send that bum over there too. you’re dealing with a team that doesnt need to trade him but would like to clear out salary room, they also need prospects. so maybe F-Mart, Perez (if you eat half the contract or so) and two pretty good prospects.
lets be realistic people!!!!!!!!
oh and btw, gary sheffield wont be playing 7 days a week. its been said before he will need 2 or 3 days off during the week. he needs to stay fresh if hes going to be there almost everyday till delgado comes back.
and yes, we will lose some games, i’ve never seen a baseball team go 162-0
Haren will cost alot as AI remember the dbacks gave away 5 or 5 players for him and we will have to give kmart,parnell,flores just to start.davis migth cost neise and another prospect