A Tale Of Two Cities: Mets Going Up, Yanks Going Down

joe girardi

After dominating the New York baseball landscape for the better part of 25 years, the New York Yankees now look like a team at the edge of a steep cliff.

There is a momentum shift that is not going unnoticed by both fans and media alike where the Yankees and those upstart New York Mets are concerned.

The Mets have been the brunt of many jokes when it comes to their ever-shrinking payroll, and most of it is warranted and justified. But what exactly has a $200 million dollar payroll done for our crosstown rivals who now look like they are on the ropes and going down for the count halfway through the month of May?

I offered one troll who came to our game thread mocking the Mets during the first game, the following retort:

“Here is a one-question Baseball IQ Test: Going forward which organization, minors included, has the best chance of sustainable success? The Mets or Yankees?”

Not only did he not reply, he never came back.

While as Mets fans we live and die with every win and loss, something that has gone unchanged since the mid-seventies for the die-hards, I think most of us know full well where both teams are heading.

The Yankees spent an incredible $500 million+ dollars at free agency this winter and in doing so they became the oldest team in the league – and whether they improved anything – well that’s still up for debate.

But looking at Joe Girardi squirm, grimace and sigh, and watching the Yankee skipper frequently turn his head away from the field with a look of disgust, I would suspect things are not exactly going as well as they had planned.

Meanwhile over in the other dugout, Terry Collins has looked at ease these last two days, and during his post game interview on Tuesday night, there he was laughing and joking as he relished his two game sweep of the Yankees.

Maybe Andy Martino of the Daily News summed it up best this morning when he wrote:

The Mets’ era of austerity and player development might eventually create a playoff team, or it might dissolve into nothing. But in a week defined for the Yankees by crises of age and health, the Mets are saying hello to new teammates, and indulging hope.

Big picture, you’d rather be the team with the $200 million payroll. But the sizzle of youth is, for at least one hot moment, more fun than being old.

Lets enjoy this moment while it lasts….

MMO

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  • elsid1986

    Young or old. Big payroll of small payroll. Only won thing matters. Competing for Championships. History has shown Yankee management will do whatever it takes. Lets see the Mets start doing the same.

  • El PanchVilla

    Just need the owners to sell the team and we will be all set!!

  • sisk is a risk

    I’ve been saying this since last year, to my cousin’s idiot husband, the Yankees are in a state of decline. All the bloated contracts have finally caught up with them, and their farm system is decimated. Yankee fans do not realize they do not have an upcoming core anymore, which was so vital to their run in the late 90s. Those fans live in a state of disillusion, not Mets fans. You cant keep spending to win.

    Out of the two New York teams, the next to win the World Series will be the Mets.

  • piazza4aday

    we can only one day hope to have the body of work history has granted the Yankees…but for a time(mid to late ’80’s) we were the talk of the town. That should be a goal again. realistically when both teams are doing great its best for both teams. Like fast food joints located next to each other…synergistic effect …
    don’t doubt the Skanks out just yet though..they have shown a “win at all cost” philosophy…one I am jealous of quite honestly. especially with our “cost of goods sold” approach to baseball operations.

  • DrDooby

    Good point, Joe. D.

    The Yankees are now caught in a vicious cycle. Their farm system is pretty barren right now, at least in terms of upper level talent with either high trade value or a likelihood of helping the major league team soon. Somewhat similar to the state of the Mets system in 2009.

    This has been going on for a while now. Meanwhile, the major league roster has aged and there are several contracts that will continue for a few more years (Sabathia, Teixeira, A-Rod most notably) to players getting paid like All Stars who may not be even average anymore. To make up for that, the Yankees invested a ton of more money on players such as Ellsbury & McCann and to a lesser degree Beltran who may perform at impact levels short and maybe term but figure to eventually regress as well a few years down the road. By signing them, early draft picks have been lost and thus the ability to restock the system with high upside talent. And if you´re sporting a 200+ million $ payroll it´s tough to sell a “rebuild”. And there really aren´t any “tradeable” assets on the roster for the time being, considering the enormous price tag. The Yankees right now do not have a single cost-controlled player under team control for several years who´d be an attractive trade piece for anyone. Tanaka and Gardner come closest. But not every team can afford taking the risk of 20+ million for 7 years for a SP or 15+ million on a leadoff hitter.

    Every empire eventually comes crashing down. After it worked in 2009, the Yankees tried prolonging their impressive run last winter. But the foundation had already deteriorated in a big way (unlike 2009 when most of the “old core” was still in place).

  • Rocky Thompson

    I disagree. There is no doubt that the Yankees are willing to spend money and then spend even more money, but in today’s baseball, “whatever it takes” is patience and developing young talent. And the Yankees have not done that.

  • Looks like Beltran will have surgery to remove a bone spur. They are not a good team.

  • AJF

    The Yankees will always outspend any other team to make the playoffs and winning it all you know for a fact that they probably get some more superstars next off season while hope that we can afford a middle reliver or something

  • DrDooby

    Also what got ignored that the 85-win Yankees of 2013 really had the talent level of an 80-win team and got a bit lucky with surprise early-season performances by scrap heap veterans that weren´t sustainable. And while Tanaka, Ellsbury, McCann and Beltran obviously were big additions, Cano, Pettitte, Rivera and to a lesser degree Granderson also were impact losses. Maybe the team improved a couple of wins structurally under normal circumstances. I see the Yankees as an 80 to 85 win team in 2014, similar to how I see the Mets. If injuries keep striking, their lack of depth will be exposed – just like the Mets´ depth could save them in the 2nd half. If I had to bet, I´d put a lot of money on the Mets winning more games than the Yankees for the 2014 through 2016 stretch for sure.

  • BCleveland3381

    The Yankees are screwed. Even the WS winning teams with Jeter they combined homegrown talent with role players and stud free agents in their prime. Guys like Scott Brosius, Paul Oneill, Posada where as important as any star. Somewhere along the line they gave up on homegrown talent and just tried to buy their way into every WS. That strategy kept them pretty competitive for awhile. But it’s all caught up to them.

    Next season alone they will have 98.5 million dollars committed towards CC, Beltran, McCann, Tex, and Arod. All 5 of those guys are aging, declining, and all under contract AT LEAST through 2016. Even for the Yankees, that kind of dead salary hurts. When you look at their team it’s hard to find a strength. Bad rotation, bad bullpen, bad lineup

  • DrDooby

    Over their past 162 games, the Yankees are 80-82 and the Mets are 78-84 by the way.
    Over their past 135 games, the Yankees are 67-68 and the Mets are 68-67.
    Both records very mediocre, of course, but I´d prefer the 85-million $ team loaded with youth & a deep farm system over the 200-million $ team loaded with veterans with a mid-range & thinner farm system…

  • RyanF55

    Think about it….the Yankees dynasty of 96-2001 was built through the farm. Jeter, Posada, Pettite, Mariano, Bernie…the core of the team was homegrown guys. When they started spending huge on veteran FAs – A-Rod, Clemens, Giambi/Texiera, Randy Johnson, etc. they only one once in 14 years.

    I’m hoping the Mets are hopefully setting up something of a cross-breed between what the Yankees did in the late 90s as well as the Braves in terms of pitchers. Homegrown talent with the right complimentary pieces through FA. We are just now starting to see the future with Montero in the rotation and Mejia/DeGrom in the pen. I may be in the minority, but this team is heading in the right direction for sure. The Yankees would kill to have half the pitchers we do.

  • PessiMets

    The met future is brighter because of the young pitchers in the minors and those that just came up. However, the Yankees can go and get a 25 year old ACE with money, something the mets can’t do

  • CyYout

    Couldn’t agree more. Further, no team wins without a core of very talented, controllable players. Notice how I didn’t say “affordable”, just knowing what pieces fit where is valuable. The Yankees got almost 20 years and 5 World Series Championships out of their core and not recognizing that it is time to re-up on minor league talent will cost them.

  • sisk is a risk

    That is right, that dynasty was built around the core five players. Not anymore.

    It seems these days that the Yankees season is determined in the off season. And they screwed up big time. They let Cano go, they spent a fortune on Tanaka, because they have nobody in the farms. They spent big on an aging Beltran and McCann. I mean if there is no financial restraint, how come they didnt retain Cano, who was clearly their best player? They have an SS at the end of his career that they are paying big money too. They have some prick who is banned for the season that they are paying $30 million for. And a complete jackass of a GM. I swear. This is a team you are gonna compare to the Mets whose future is so bright? I hope the Mets piss all over Tanaka tonight…

  • Magic_Loogie

    The Yankees are going to have to go through a similar process to what we’ve been going through the last few years. They need to shed ridiculously bad contracts, and build up the farm system. They can’t afford to give away all their top draft picks by signing more free agents. The one big difference which should make their rebuilding process a bit easier is that they will spend money when needed, and when they are willing to face reality it probably won’t take as long in purgatory as we are in.

    The biggest problem for the Skanks will be getting over their own pride. They have been the most obnoxious fans on the planet, and have developed a superiority complex. Shedding that to welcome reality will be fun to watch.

  • rclthomp

    I’ve said many times how important it is for the Mets farm system to produce and develop some “core” players to which they can add free agents. It looks like they are finally doing that. As for the Yanks, in a span of just two seasons they will say goodbye to the greatest closer of all time and the greatest Yankee SS of all time, not to mention a Hall of Famer and the face of the team for the last 18 years. Money can buy/replace a lot but it can’t buy intangibles. I think the Yankees will struggle going forward

  • This should be titled “A Tale of Two Horrible Stadiums”. How do two teams build two equally (but oppositely) ridiculous stadiums at the exact same time.
    The Mets build a field that Hercules couldn’t hit a ball out of and the Yankees build a wiffle ball field that could turn Ruben Tejada into Barry Bonds.
    What a couple of jokes. How about a field where pitchers can not be afraid to throw strikes, but GOOD hitters have a chance to make them pay.
    Move those fences!

  • derek murphy

    Love the title it should be on everything.

  • billpulsipher

    they would never F their fans over and rebuild for 5 years. Only a moron rebuilds in nyc…like fred and jeff

  • billpulsipher

    the Mets future SHOULD be brighter but there is one MAJOR problem…the pigs known as Wilpon…with these pigs calling the shots, it will always be an uphill battle for the mets. the yankees have holes, they will spend money to fill the holes. the mets have holes and they will stand around and do nothing/search for the cheapest way possible to fix it.

  • TPT

    hey JoeD thanks … what a great way to wake up (its 8.20 in Anaheim) all i can say is im loving every minute this…. The pic of Girardi is priceless by the way …LMAO… LGM

  • billpulsipher

    so youd prefer the team that refuses to spend money and address their problems as opposed to the team that actually tries to address their problems?

  • RyanF55

    The Yankees are fast becoming an embarrasement

  • Totally agree. The other part of the late 90’s Yankess was the guys that they acquired via trade. Guess what they traded for Paul O’Niel? Prospects from their farm.
    If 80+ percent of your roster comes from the farm, you can easily round it out with careful, reasonably priced free agents.
    Look at this year’s Bobby Abreau pickup. Every year, teams that go deep into the playoffs have these guys way down at the end of their bench. Problem is, they can’t be at the core of your plans.

  • dealingwithidiots

    Only a moron has no clue that every sports team, at some point must rebuild, no matter what their geographical location is.

  • dealingwithidiots

    Don’t remember the Yankee years prior to 1996?

  • Kinda. Buuuuuuut…
    I’d rather have guys willing to give my $200M to cover up the holes in my roster and farm system.
    I love what the Mets could have for the next 5 years (arms, arms, arms).
    But I’d rather have a BILLION dollars.

  • dealingwithidiots

    They are not addressing their problems, throwing money and a bandaid on it is not fixing the problem.

  • WillisReid

    Judging by the content of his comments, he may not even have been born yet.

  • Actually, they had virtually ZERO stud free agents from 1994 – 2000. None. It was prospects, guys acquired via trade for prospects, and aging veterans to plug holes. Hell, even A-Roid came in a trade for a young stud prospect.
    When they went hog wild on free agents, (2000+ – 2014) they spent BILLIONS of dollars and won one ring. The same amount as the Marlins who spent 58 cents over the same period.

  • RyanF55

    Exactly my thoughts. We just need to do a better job in FA, though I think the Grandy signing will end up being justified.

  • Anthony

    I dont care about the yankees. Mets need to win tonight. Im focused on the mets an i am starting to see cracks in our starting rotation. I welcome the young pitchers. We need these guys to succeed and we need to clear out the dead wood.

  • HillsideAve

    We all get so giddy when we beat the Evil Empire. Thank heavens for these moments of fun…..six in a row back to last year. But as far as the future and prospects ahead, I wouldn’t make too many prognostications just yet on the demise of the Yankees. They are very good at doing whatever it takes to field a competitive team. Our owners have had no such intention, or capability, for years.

    I understand that spending $200M on a payroll guarantees nothing on the field. But it guarantees that you have a much better chance to put the best players on the field. Having to operate with a steadily declining payroll for years and bottoming out at $85M, guarantees far fewer options in a sport with no salary cap. Say what you want about the New York Yankees , but that team would never allow five straight losing seasons to happen

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Jeezus…Girardi looks like he’s 65 in that picture.

  • Captain America

    And let’s not feed the trolls if Tanaka again is brilliant and Montero has first game jitters under the bright lights of NYC…

  • You know who could actually bring the Yankees back to the top – FAST?
    Yup, Sandy.
    He could gut the team in trading deadline moves. Only accept prospects in return. They have a ton of guys that bubble teams would take in July.
    A. that opens up roster spots.
    B. it dumps a ton of payroll
    C. quickly rebuilds the farm.
    Then, next Winter – BAM unleash the hounds of Hell on the free agent market.
    Add a bunch of prospects and a bunch of free agents to replace these old guys and it turns around in 1 or 2 years.
    Ever heard of the Red Sox?

  • Hotstreak

    Joe D who own the Mets and who owns the Yankees.

    Who will get new stars and who will lose them.

    Yes after two superbowls I am more patient with my Giants but they will be in the Superbowl and the Yankees in WS BEFORE the Mets if Met’s ownership and payrolll stays at 80-85M

  • Sandy is a skunk, but I suspect his “Plan” might look a bit smarter if he had higher priced talent trying to execute it.

  • dealingwithidiots

    I hope not

  • dealingwithidiots

    This is the same guy that said that Francecssa and Mad Dog were responsible for getting Piazza because fans called in to their show and requested him.

  • Charley’s Twin

    I heard this same thing back in 2011.

  • Dark HelMet

    Is that all you do every day? Comment about the Wilpons?

  • NewYorkMammoths
  • Captain America

    If Harvey comes back strong, and Syndergaard is solid and any one of gee, Niese, wheeler, mejia is also solid the mets will do very well.

    It’s not payroll, it’s performance.

  • Metjorge

    I am concerned that one fly ball caught at the warning track tonight might kill all of this momentum. I wish we played at Yankee stadium the entire year.

  • astoriacub

    like who?

  • derek murphy

    The last time they went through a complete rebuild was while George was away. They were able to put together the core. Stick Michael was the guy who did all the heavy lifting as far as I’m concerned. Hopefully we have the same results. Something tells me we are like 3 years from being the top team in the NL maybe in baseball. Dom smith will be what tips us he reminds me of Freddie freeman and I think he will have similar progression. His rookie year he should hit for avg with power to follow. By that time our rotation and bullpen will be outstanding. OF will have Puello, Nimmo, Lageres, Grandy, denDecker n Campbell IF will be Flores, wright Cecchini, Murphy, Dykstra and smith then catcher TDA n plawecki.

    While most people feel we have very little in terms of positional prospects it going to be crowded fast. Trading for an MVP type player is at the top of my list of things to do. For once we will have the prospects to trade. Adding a thumper and the progression of these guys will be key.

    Beyond this the mets have so many talented players with huge upsides. Half of them are not even state side but I can’t wait to see. There is a feeder system in place that looks as if could pump out a ton of all stars. Projecting who will be promoted in the next 4 years you can basicly build a whole new team of high upside players. Provided nobody comes in and guts the system these guys are going to put us on the map.

  • fedupfan13

    I disagree…the yanks are still good every year and have the ability to spend their way out of trouble. Look at Tanaka for example. Meanwhile if the mets prospects don’t pan out they still haven’t shown the ability to take on salary. I think that this narrative is premature. On the other hand if the mets do get financially stable it does seem like they have a better foundation but it still seems like they are in financial ruins and I just don’t see how the richest team in baseball is on the way down while one of the poorest is considered on the way up

  • Monix

    Hey Bill, how’s the Mets beating the Yankees?? I thought you said spending $200M was the key to success. I guess $200M doesn’t buy what it used to, huh.

  • Monix

    He means Tanaka

  • fedupfan13

    He’s right though. It’s hard to get excited when the whole operation is about keeping them afloat.

  • Xavier 22

    Hotstreak’s concern is that the Yankees will swoop in a buy up all the good Mets when they become FAs

  • Monix

    I thought you said Sandy was the problem. Now he’s not so bad?

  • fedupfan13

    Need hitting

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    The attempts to improve the minor league talent has made this team better. But the Mets will not build a franchise capable of contending every year, with a payroll in the bottom third of the league.

  • Xavier 22

    Who had the best players on the field last night? 15% of the current Yankees payroll is prohibited from even coming on the field.

  • HarveyKsYou

    While we have better minor leage talent… Look at what Wheeler and TDA have done… If Thor or Montero take this long to positively contribute, we will not be truly contending for another year plus.

  • SouthlandMetsFan

    The landscape has changed though. The Yankees can’t really fill holes with money anymore. Their farm system is barren, and the best position players are being locked up by teams now.

    I’m sorry, but that deal McCann signed is ridiculous, and the Jacoby Ellsbury signing will not look too hot in a couple of years either.

    The Mets have a legit chance to take over NY now.

  • goorru

    If this is a post about the future, the Wilpon’s are very relevant.

  • billpulsipher

    if you are a met fan, then you hate the wilpons. if you make excuses for them, you are not a fan

  • Captain America

    And what year is that 2019?

  • goorru

    It’s a different era of baseball now.

  • billpulsipher

    all the people pouring dirt on the yankees grave,…you do realize Matt Harvey will be in pinstripes in a few years right? Because jeffy boy will totally pony up the 200 million for him, after all the Wilpons have proven they will do whatever it takes to put a winning team on the field lol..instead Harv will walk and Jeff can leak to the press on what a “bad guy” he is and how he “parties” all the time

  • HobokenMetsFan

    Ellsbury didn’t make any sense to me either, especially when you have Brett Gardner who’s more or less the same player as Jacoby.

  • Dark HelMet

    You’re the actual worst. Haha.

  • Xavier 22

    Probably. Whenever Harvey becomes a FA. If the Yankees want to overpay for him when he’s entering his 30s, they’re welcome to.

  • derek murphy

    The Mets have added so much talent in the past few years the Yankees are starting to feel it. Apparently they are very upset about the rise of the mets farm system. They are going to try and level the playing field somewhat by spending more than anyone has with new IFA agreement and there take there penalty. The previous highs I believe we’re by cubs and rangers at 8 million.

  • billpulsipher

    a couple good pitching prospects and people are popping champagne already…

  • metsfansince64

    Except it’s not so easy anymore. The landscape has changed, aided and abetted by the new tv money. Now pretty much all teams can afford to keep their top players, and almost all of them do so. The Yankees cannot spend their way into success anymore, because the kids who used to become available as they entered free agency aren’t there anymore. Now you’re getting – at best – guys entering their 30s with only a couple of good years left.

  • Dark HelMet

    You know a “few” is 3, right? And that Harvey is a free agent in 2019, right?

  • Mikey

    I would not be so quick to write off the Yankees just yet.
    For one they pretty much have been decimated by Injuries.
    Two, They just recently lost a bunch of key pieces to Free Agency, Not because they refused to make an offer but because someone was willing to pay stupid money to get their guy. (Anyone wondering how that worked out well they are currently 3rd in their division).

    As to what 200 Mil payroll (and what the 200M equivalent would be) got them?
    Well considering this is the 20th anniversary of the start of their Competitive and Playoff contending run which pretty much encompassed EVERY YEAR with the exception of this year and last (Injury decimation) and 2009.

    I would say not only did they get plenty of bang for their buck they managed to outspend EVERYONE in the league yet not need to take a loan, Beg the Comish for a handout because they made a profit EVERY year for the last 20 years!

  • billpulsipher

    yeah the Yankees are intimidated by the Mets…totally…they probably sit in their offices and laugh at what horrible owners the Wilpons are..they are more concerned with the BoSox. The Mets have proven they cant get out of their own way for 5 years running

  • AJF

    I am pretty sure half of the fan base and media believes Harvey will sign with the Yankees as soon as he can and so do I

  • Xavier 22

    So ponying up $200M and at least 7 years for a hard-throwing pitcher entering his 30s is a good thing?

  • billpulsipher

    they will trade him first..

  • billpulsipher

    no letting him walk to your cross town rivals is better

  • Dark HelMet

    Hahaha, oh of course.

  • G Master Flex

    How are you going to say Wheeler hasn’t positively contributed? He had a solid rookie year last year. 3.76 ERA in 100 innings over 17 games. That’s a solid rookie season for a 23 year old kid.

  • TurdFerguson

    Tell, who were they to spend money on this offseason? The fans crying about payroll drive me insane. It’s one thing to spend the money and another to spend the money wisely. You guys cry about missing out on Balfour. Well he’s been terrible. Not resigning Hawk was probably a mistake. Choo has been good but he’s not worth the contract the Rangers gave him. Peralta is a bum. Who else?? This team is being built the right way, give them time.

  • billpulsipher

    where you been the last 6 months? the writing is already on the wall with all the infighting…stop making excuses for jeff wilpon, you sound insane

  • HarveyKsYou

    This year he hasn’t really given you anything. Last year he was very good. And TDA has given us zero worth.

  • Xavier 22

    No, trading him for top-shelf prospects during his walk year, continuing to stock your farm system with quality arms, AND letting your cross-town rivals overpay for him is better.

  • derek murphy

    If you think all they have is a couple of good pitching prospects you should do a double take. They have the best right handed SP prospects in baseball. They have a nice stable of relievers & at least 1 premier prospect at every position 3 years or less away. So it’s no longer a question of if but when.

  • MyasDaddy

    Injury decimation can be attributed to one thing; AGE!

  • sisk is a risk

    I agree 100%. When George was away, the Yankees were able to use their farm system. In a sense, you could say Dave Winfield was the most important Yankee responsible for the amazing run of that late 90s dynasty.

  • billpulsipher

    the Yankees have won 5 times more in the past 18 years than the Mets have won in 50 years lol. They spend money, they care about putting a good product on the field, they arent gutless cheap pigs like the Wilponzis…the Yankees are in a bad way now, but they will do what they do and spend money to get themselves out of this mess and it will work…They wont go through a 5-8 year rebuilding process putting a 90 loss team on the field. You have to be a real moron in this day and age in MLB to have a NY baseball team have 90 losses every year for 5 years running. Its almost impossible to do. Of course fred and jeffy boy have managed to do that because they are morons. The Mets are one of the worst run/if not THE worst run franchise in all of baseball because of the Wilpons. those clowns would not know what to do with a winning team if it fell into their lap. They would find a way to F it up anyway. As much as I HATE the Yankees, I respect the way they do business. they dont cower in a corner and cry about how their fans dont support them, they go out and TRY to win

  • Dark HelMet

    Hahaha I sound insane? I love you.

  • MyasDaddy

    “IF” we had any stability in ownership. This team would be better than the Yankees for many years to come. Since we do not have the money tree like the Yankees do, we will never be able to compete. It’s a shame, because the talent could be there. But, we will never be able to bring in players to help build around that talent.

  • Jack

    I honestly feel that the Mets do have the better chance than the yankees long term because of their farm system and young players. The Yankees don’t have a system. Sure, the yankees payroll is lightyears ahead of where the mets payroll is currently at but the Mets have options during the season. The Mets have an influx of young arms coming in that will help our starting and relief pitching. That would help the mets for consistent longterm success. The Yankees are stuck on loaded contracts with old people who are prone to getting hurt with no farm system which is where the Mets were at years ago. The Yankees have no choice but to get Free Agents but I don’t think that would be enough because they have no system and the great players that are being produced usually get into team friendly contracts in their career. They have no Jeter, Posada, Pettite, or Mariano to anchor them coming up in their farm system or even pitching or hitting to help the team in the season. They have to rely always in the off season but what happens when those players get hurt. There is no place they can go in season. They just gotta pray that someone in their farm lights a spark in the darkness. Look, the mets had the 2nd or 3rd highest payroll and we got nothing out of it except the playoff run in 2006. Just gotta hope the payroll will at least make it into the 100 million category in the recent future, because as a realist, it is a concern the Mets don’t have a high payroll but I love what they are doing by creating a flowing system that brings talent to fill holes if the team decides they are big league ready. In the mean time the Mets should eventually offer their young studs, if they feel they are worth it, team friendly contracts much like they did with Niese and what the Braves did with Freeman, Simmons, etc.. The Mets must try and get a star hitter in FA because that is the main area of need for the Mets or they may trade one or two of their great pitchers for great hitting knowing they have the pitching depth to help consistently bring them into the top.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Please. I’m not beating my chest over anything. In the end, the Yankees will more likely be playing baseball while our guys are watching from the couch. All that talent in the minors is potential and has proven nothing.

    I realize Mets fans need to take their pleasure where they can find it, but let’s not embarrass ourselves.

  • SouthlandMetsFan

    Exactly. I’m not saying I wouldn’t take Jacoby on the Mets. He’s a great player. And of course I would love to see the Mets spend a little more money.

    But let’s face it, these big contracts and big payrolls don’t automatically put you in the World Series anymore.

  • Waz0787

    Until we clinch a playoff spot. I will be pessimistic about this organization. We scored runs in Yankees stadium. We swept them last year that doesn’t change the fact. We lose 5 win 3 repeats

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Plenty of time to come to a deal. Assuming he’s worth it at all.

  • TPT

    and you forgot to add if they asked the Yanks hey would you like to trade franchises with the Mets and exchange your minor league teams with theirs as well as exchange payrolls?? THEY WOULD DO IT IN A HEARTBEAT..and p.s. theres so much more satisfaction when you win with your kids because they belong to you there in our MET family and not when you BUY transplants

  • Xavier 22

    Bora$ would never allow it.

  • Mikey

    Yes if it was just their Old guys getting hurt…
    They do have the only team whose opening day lineup was all over 30…
    Their two oldest players are the only ones NOT hurt at the moment. (Jeter and Beltran)

    But you know how easy it is to fix that in Free Agency?

    That said the Yankees are probably not going to win anything the next two years…
    But it sure won’t take them 4+ years to get back into it…

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I agree, and have seen this coming for some time. as the Yankees are a much older team and have quie a bit of money tied up in older diminishing players . We have few some kids coming who hopefully pan out. If we can add a #4 hitter somehow, we will be looking much better.

  • MyasDaddy

    Beltran has a bone spur in his elbow which may require surgery. Jeter looks like a shell of his former self. I think age has a lot to do with both of those.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Well, the spending ways of the yanks brought them two decades of success, so…

  • Metstheory22

    Keith was saying he thought Murphy should be hitting 3rd. I would not mind that, with maybe David hitting 2nd for now. Any thoughts on this.

  • ray sadecki

    I wonder what fracessa has to say about Wright and Murphy today? haha !!

  • Mikey

    Yes but first you have to WIN don’t you?
    Otherwise No Satisfaction at all!
    And they did! We however have not,

    Sure maybe they would get more satisfaction winning with their own kids but even though they won with Bought and paid for stars they still have had WAY MORE satisfaction than the Mets (and lets face facts more than any other team in the MLB as well!) have haven’t they?

  • TPT

    you just go buy your transplants and we’ll just continue with our love for OUR kids …homegrown and all and thats something your never feel and cannot buy and thats what makes us Met fans win or lose

  • Metsaholic

    Yes indeed. After the sweep last year, the team went to Florida and got crushed. They never recovered. They’re a better team than last years, but we can’t be fooled by what has happened in the playpen of Yankee stadium. Flores has to take advantage of his opportunity and somehow they need to get TDA going. He thinks he should be a homerun hitter, but he’s really a gap hitter and should focus on that.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Then he gets dealt. Not complicated.

  • MyasDaddy

    I want Murphy hitting 5th behind two guys with the best OBP’s on our team in Wright and Duda.

  • Waz0787

    David lost his Power. He is best suitable for batting 2nd but it won’t happen because of his contract.

  • Peter S

    I’m not sure what you mean Joe. The Yanks have 20 farm teams in the majors and all the money in the world to take the players they need. *sarcasm

  • RyanF55

    We should all call him individually and ask 1000 of the same question. He’d lose his mind.

  • Xavier 22

    There was an article in the NY Times (a known Yankee loving newspaper) a few weeks ago saying the Yankees were the dominant team in NY based on Facebook likes. It just struck me as whistling past the graveyard when they consider the future direction of the two teams.

  • RyanF55

    I like Murphy in the 2 hole. He seems to just hit best there. Wright should be 3, and lately, he’s hitting like he should be.

  • TPT

    to me id rather win one game at time than pay for a championship the face of your team changes year to year but with how were dolng it we grow along side of our kids and its a beautiful thing and your’ll just never know …

  • Taskmaster4450

    Except those farm teams are locking up all their young talent so what is left isnt very good.

  • RyanF55

    They really only started spending tremendously after 2001, which they’ve won only 1 WS with what were perceived as annual All-Star team lineups. (I know, we’d take 1 WS win every 10 years)

  • Xavier 22

    It’s also getting harder to fill the holes with money as teams sign good homegrown players to long term deals. The Yanks can’t use the rest of the MLB as their farm system anymore.

    They will adjust over time, but the next few years will be painful for them.

  • Mikey

    Bone Spur is not an age injury…Mejia had one last year and he is no old guy…

    Jeter may look like a shell of his former self but that says more about his former self than his current self.
    He is batting .262/.343 Which is better than any starter on our team not named Murphy, Wright or Lagares.

    This is the thing that folks who worry about the age of a player seem to forget…
    Declining from SUPERSTAR quality merely makes you Mortal or better than average!
    Which is still a hell of a lot better than half the players in the league!

    Sure Jeter isn’t as good as Jeter…
    But he’s still better than most guys who are starting for someone else!
    That applies to Beltran as well!

  • Xavier 22

    Yep. And I suspect he’d bring back quite a haul.

  • G Master Flex

    I can’t really argue about TDA, hasn’t done much, I personally think that he will figure it out. He is also pretty young. And as for Wheeler, I cant say he is pitching well, but I do think he is doing fine. Obviously he has problems with command throwing too many pitches, but except for a few starts he has been pretty solid again this year. I would argue that in 5 of his 7 starts this year he has put his team in a place to win. 6 innings giving up 3 runs or less is fine for a young kid trying to figure it out.

  • Mikey

    So you would rather win one year with Kids as opposed to every year for a 5th of a century?
    Sorry I saw 1986 in person…By 1989 it wasn’t as good without the world series title!
    It all seemed to be a team of broken promises.

  • DrDooby

    …and the groundwork for it was laid by the Steinbrenner suspension in the early 90s that allowed Stick Michael to collect young talent without the “win now” mantra for a few years that had hurt the Yankees the previous decade and led to their late 80s train wreck. Good young players, good veteran pieces added to it via trades & free agency led to the great run from 1995 through 2000 and 4 WS titles in 7 years.

    Then the big-spending started as the system started drying up a bit and lasted through 2012 with a bunch of playoff appearances and 1 WS title at high cost in there.

    In 2013, the foundation started collapsing, camouflaged by flukish performances of scrap heap veterans over the first two months of 2013. Last winter, the Yankees tried patching that foundation back up by going on another spending spree – quite possibly without success…

  • Waz0787

    People here call us “troll” because we speak the fact. This organization is a disgrace. Sadly most mets fans here Are delusional drinking on whatever koolaid mets are marketing

  • Xavier 22

    can’t lose what you never had.

  • Hodges14

    Yep, they were so embarrassed with their 85 win season last year that they went out and signed 3 premier free agents to improve their roster this winter.

  • metsman

    Wait a sekin!!!

  • Hodges14

    There’s always the IFA market and every year at the trade deadline there are teams looking to do salary dumps.

  • RyanF55

    Haha, good point.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Yeah but the point is the Yankees actually spent the money they needed to supplement their homegrown talent to win championships. We’re still waiting for the Mets to prove that they are capable of doing that. I mean $60M on Grandy and the Wright deal is a start, but they need at least two more bats and a bullpen. Will they spend to bring them in, or will they start jettisoning expensive players like Murphy after this season, similar to what they did to Pagan and Frankie? If that’s the case, I’d argue they would be going backwards.

  • DrDooby

    As of today, the Yankees have committments of 161 million $ already for 9 players in 2015 (CC, A-Rod, Teixeira, McCann, Beltran, Tanaka, Ellsbury, Gardner and Thornton). Their revenue figures to decline a bit going forward if they don´t reach the playoffs again in 2014. Jeter, Kuroda, Soriano and Robertson are free agents. No in-house replacement is in sight for any of them. In fact, 2b and the entire rotation beyond Tanaka – who better stay healthy – remain serious question marks. There is no help at AAA or AA to help out. Where is the talent going to come from ? The upcoming free agent class seems rather weak. Sacrificing another 1st round pick doesn´t sound too smart either. So, basically, the Yankees will have maybe 60 million (220 million $ payroll) to spend on the other 16 players on their roster, including at least 2 SP, a closer, a SS and maybe a DH or 1bman (if Teixeira shifts to DH) too. Oh, while hoping A-Rod, Teixeira, Sabathia and others have something left…

  • RyanF55

    Fast becoming – i.e. moving forward, having nothing to do with last season. They have no pitching outside Tanaka, no bullpen, and a cast of washed up veterans at all corners of the field. Yes, they are on the down swing.

  • DrDooby

    Sure, the Mets first have to win too. I couldn´t care less about the Yankees being a sub .500 team if the Mets aren´t a playoff contending team.

  • Hodges14

    They’ll bring more talent in. They aren’t going to give up.

  • TPT

    yes id rather win one year than buy championships year after year….and again if the yankees could trade franchises and payroll and minor league systems with the Mets and THE METS FUTURE..THEY WOULDNT HESITATE and looking at your sad old broken team DW MURPH LAGARES NIESE MONTERO DEGROM GEE MEJIA WHEELER and when there ready HARVEY AND SYNDERGAARD would all be on the Yanks major league roster and maybe EY and GRANDY too so yup things are changing and for us things are looking up have a good one and LGM

  • Not4

    While Wright is not the ideal No. 4 hitter, I’d still like to see Murphy 3rd and Wright 4th and Grandy or Duda 5th. If EY continues to get starts as the leadoff man, I’d bat Lagares 2nd.

  • RyanF55

    There isn’t much in FA to just go buy talent anymore. Look around the league – good talent is being locked up on shorter team deals and the Yankees past of blowing the doors off teams with massive lengthy contracts are a thing of the past….unless they overpay for an undervalued player which they did this past offseason…

  • DrDooby

    …they better rebuild at some point because their old business model doesn´t work anymore in a time when even mid- and small market teams can afford to pay for their core talent and few stars reach free agency before age 32 and the draft system doesn´t give big-market team an advantage of snagging overslot picks late.

  • Not4

    That is not the point. The point is that the Yankees only had a run of success because the first built up a solid core of players and solid farm system. Without those two, you had the Yankees of the late 80s/early 90s when they spent and did not win.

    I’d argue trades were the second most important factor to their success after their farm system. Spending $$ on free agents coming in at third and a distant third at that

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Again, if he’s worth it. I’ll wait to cry and piss and moan about not resigning him until it actually happens.

  • TheMets philosophy

    Joe im not trying to sound like an idiot here but its a little early and i remember in 2009 when the yankees made all those moves and got off to a bad start people were saying the same thing how the redsox are young and the yankees are old and have no chance. Some how the yankees are always gona be good not saying the mets arent gona also be good but as much as i want to i learned never to just laugh off the yankees, not this early anyway

  • goorru

    Maybe they don’t have a lot of rings but making the playoffs almost EVERY year would be great,

  • WillisReid

    Yeah, they did show a willingness to put 23 other guys around Jeter and Bret Gardner.

  • Jakal42400

    PEDS are no longer in the equation. Yankees would have never comeback in 2009 without them.

  • derek murphy

    U love them so much why not go to a Yankee blog. U can talk about getting spanked by the mets the last 6 times we played. U can also gloat about how by the end of the season u guys will have 90 million dollars a year to pay broken down AARP members in CC, ARoid, Tex n Beltran. McCann may also make the list to put it at like 110 per year. He’s being held together by a paper clip. So just cause they spend don’t mean there going to be good.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Agree on Murphy batting 3rd, but I’d slide Wright back to the 5 spot where he belongs with Flores batting 2nd.

    The speedy EYJ with the high contact, run producing Flores? Quick 1-0 game early. Still need to make a play at the deadline for a cleanup type hitter, but I’ll suffice with Duda at cleanup for now.

  • Peter S

    Does anyone have a link to his tirade yesterday. I heard it was epic.

  • Peter S

    Jacoby Ellsbury looks pretty good.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Yeah, I learned my lesson last year “beating my chest” after sweeping the Yanks, but you sure about the Yanks playing more ball while we’re on the couch? This is the most flawed Yankee team I’ve seen as long as I can remember. They may be pulling a seat alongside us if anything.

  • Guest

    ‘FEELS GOOD TO BE IN ORANGE AND BLUE”

  • Jakal42400

    If we made the playoffs every year and got knocked media would label us, and fans alike as perenial losers. We won 1 WS in the 80’s and what would have been playoff bound every year under the new format, and people call it disappointing and underachieving.

  • mad met

    Well talking about mets future . How about signing Murphy to an extention!!!!!!! This is a team guy and fan favorite. Giddy hard ball player..has turned into a nice fielder plays at a few positions. Inmost parks this is a 20hr guy that bats 300 with 25 sb… In May this kid has 10xbase hits hitting 354with a1.093 ops ..we need more players like Murphy let’s add a guy this year or next not trade one away.. Get it done and bring in the dam fences some more u idiots .

  • Guest

    “FEEL GOOD TO BE IN ORANGE AND BLUE”

  • mad met

    Murphy is pretty much our best pure hitter and he is most comfortable batting two .why mess with him

  • mad met

    Numbers would say bat duda cleanup but if you watch him batting clean up he looks likes deer in headlights …Murphy is best at 2 . Duda and grandy or cy should bat 6-7

  • Hodges14

    They’ll go to the IFA market like they did with Tanaka or they will take on salary from teams looking to get out of big contracts. They will field a competitive team.

  • goorru

    I judge my team how I feel about them not how the media judges them. I loved my 80’s Mets, nobody with a brain called it disappointing, underachieving yes.

  • goorru

    It’s great to win those two games BUT can we stop doing a victory dance, the Yankees are beat up and there are still two games left to play.

  • Lotus1209

    Wright hits best 5th. He had his best years when he had Beltran and Delgado in front of him… obviously we dont have that now but the Lineup gets so much depth with him in the 5th spot.

    EYJ/Lagares
    d’Arnaud (although I think he should be sent down.. why not give him some protection to see what hes got?)
    Murphy
    Wright
    Grandy
    Young
    Duda
    Flores

    Pitcher

    Flores has the RBI gene.. i’d prefer him to hit 6th or 7th to drive in the middle of the order. He’s also slow as balls.. so him batting 2nd is not a good idea.

  • goorru

    As far as the future holds we shall see what that brings, we have some good young arms with potential but that’s just potential. Zack Wheeler tells you everything you need to know about potential. He may be good some day but today he’s still just potential to be good, no certainties.

  • dealingwithidiots

    Another one that hates when the team wins. Who is doing a victory dance? Seriously beating a rival and being happy is what fans are suppose to feel today. Thank God for people like you to remind us how to feel.

  • TheMets philosophy

    Did anybody read Ian o’conners article about curtis granderson on espn? If you didnt you have to read it its hilarious how dumb the guy sound you can literally here him crying. As much as i regret reading it i think its a must just because how stupid he sounds

  • dealingwithidiots

    Do you keep a document of all the things you say every day so you can just copy and paste it 1000 times? It would really be dumb to have to retype that every time.

  • Hotstreak
  • dealingwithidiots

    Of course we realize it, because you say it 50 times a day, and what you say is fact. Just like the Mets got Piazza because of Fatseso and Russo and all the callers that got on the radio and said “we want Piazza” and poof it happened.

  • dealingwithidiots

    Where have YOU been since Baseball started? Clueless

  • goorru

    People are already putting us ahead of the Yankees not only this year but for years to come based on two games. I’m a realist and take it one day at a time.

    I don’t think I ever implied I hate when the team wins, i’m just not into trash talk and that’s all this is, you can do it with your Yankee friends but i’m here to talk realisti

    They were two great wins and a win tonight would be even better, if Montero can beat Tanaka that would be amazing.

  • dealingwithidiots

    I think you are the one jumping the gun on people’s posts. It’s not about the two games, it’s about how the Mets are rebuilding, despite some fans that can’t take that, while the Yankees continue to put bandaids on their issues with money and eventually that plan is going to fail and it’s starting to clearly show.

    So, as you say, you take it one game at a time, why do you feel the need to temper any fan’s excitement after two games? Let us enjoy it, we’re supposedly adults, the reminder is not necessary.

  • goorru

    You’re calling Tanaka, Ellsbury,Beltran and McCann, band aids?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Not sure. That’s why I said “more likely” than the Mets.

  • Hotstreak

    I give them DW for the proverbal bag of balls. Just take his great contract (no sarcasm on contract) too. Free up our self imposed cap to afford guys like Jose Aberu and if contract reasonable our own FA.

    With that said DW contract was reasonable but a mistake. Length of contract total commitment and what prospects blocked have to ALL go in the equation.

  • Hodges14

    I remember hearing these same arguments in 2008. The Yankees were finished. The run was over… then 2009 rolled around and they won again.

  • Mikey

    Well I saw that movie in 1986…Was not satisfying as you think it is!
    It’s fleeting and in the end you wind up with one year of happy surrounded by 5-6 years of disappointment!

  • Hodges14

    I’d say Jimmy Key was pretty important to the beginning of the run.

  • Mikey

    Do you really care if they win because they paid for one or if they won because it took them 10 years to build a winner?
    And would you be happier if they only won one via building than you would be if they won 5 by buying it?

  • Hodges14

    and 2008

  • Hodges14

    Why does it bother you, if the Yankees spend money to field a team? Last I heard their owners make a profit every year. They are reinvesting that profit into their product. It’s the Wilpons who are whining about losing money.

  • Charley’s Twin

    and many, many others!

  • sisk is a risk

    I dont know if it bothers me. Im just pointing out that their years of spending like drunken sailors have finally caught up with them. Mets did it and paid the real price for many years. I expect the same to happen to the Yankees. You put together championships with a blend of young talent and veterans. The Yankees are so old now. Is there anybody on their radar in the farms?

  • DrDooby

    All I care about is finally watching a sustainable winner again here where the expectation prior to any given season is “playoffs”. Like it was between 1985 and 1991 (even if 1991 happened to be the “end”).

    I do not care how it is done. But I realize that in today’s game your odds are a lot higher trying to build young & cost controlled talent than trying to “buy” success via free agency. The Baseball wide growth has stopped small & mid market teams serving as “farm teams” for large market teams as may have been the case a decade or so ago.

    While the Mets rebuilding has been tougher than a normal rebuild would have been due to the severe financial restrictions, it may only have been possible in this extensive form with the shield of these issues in the first place. No way, Alderson can trade Beltran or Dickey when he did if the Mets had been on stable financial footing without the public going berserk on him. And no way can he keep the draft pick used on Dominic Smith after several losing seasons and several free agent OF on the market in the winter of 2012 /2013. Since a lot of Mets fans didn’t even understand or accept the need to rebuild in a situation of financial disstress, it would have been impossible without that issue.

    It will help the Mets in the long run – and hopefully that long run already starts this year or next year…

  • The is a good prediction, but I don’t think it’s reality yet that we own the town, or ever really will. I just want us to win. Honestly, I could care less about the Yankees.

  • pastline63

    Wright belongs in the 5 hole majority of the time

  • He was an important free agent signing for sure. He was probably the most significant Free Agent in the early years. He was actually signed for ’92 – ’96.
    I would hardly put him in the Clemmens, A-Rod, Big Unit category though.
    His salaries converted to 2014 $$ were: $8M, $8.5M, $7.5M, and $2.6M. (Baseball Reference)

  • Mikey

    In today’s game?
    There is no one who has been more competitive longer than the Yankees and yet you still claim “These Days” it only happens via building…

    Open your eyes dude…PLEASE see what is really going on and stop just letting belief tell your eyes what they want your eyes to see and believe