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Who Misses Jose Reyes?
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Jose Reyes batted .354 in first half of 2011, and is batting .269 in 2012.
It’s funny how some things work out in this game. About a year ago this week we were staging a “Don’t Trade Reyes Rally” at Citi Field and everyday we were consumed with countless posts about keeping Reyes at all costs and how the team would be doomed if we lost him. I oughta know because I wrote a handful of those posts myself.
But this why I love baseball so much. No matter how hard you crunch all those numbers and all of that historical data in the offseason, along comes the regular season and it renders all that information as useless and as worthless as the toilet paper it was written on.
The king of projections Bill James had R.A. Dickey pegged for a 4.06 ERA this season and Ruben Tejada would barely hit over .250 in this, his sophomore campaign.
Grantland thought highly of Frank Francsico writing, “The Mets got some grief for giving Frank Francisco a two-year deal, but his peripherals (better than a strikeout per inning) and a move to the National League bode well for solid results.” Umm, not really guys.
ZiPS had Ronny Cedeno scoring more runs than Josh Thole, Scott Hairston, Ruben Tejada and Daniel Murphy this season. And that David Wright would top out at 76 runs scored… Only 23 left to go David!
Scott White of CBS Sports warned his readers to avoid Wright like the plague, “You can’t assume the team’s decision to move in the fences this year will be Wright’s miracle cure. It’ll help, but it won’t eliminate the injuries, the perpetually rising strikeout rate and the curious home-road splits. With high-upside third basemen like Brett Lawrie and Emilio Bonifacio available later in the draft, you’re better off passing on Wright ” Bonifacio over Wright?
A 12 man panel of experts over at ESPN decided their consensus was that Johan Santana would top out at six wins in 2012. Maybe they were only projecting out to June 29th perhaps?
And those were just the expert projections.
Now getting back to Jose Reyes, if not for the simple fact that Ruben Tejada missed over a month of the season, are there any doubts that Tejada would have more runs scored, more hits, more RBI’s and not to forget a better glove than Jose Reyes?
As it stands now our young shortstop leads Reyes in batting, on-base, slugging and OPS. Despite having almost 200 more at-bats than Tejada, Reyes has just 19 RBI to Tejada’s 11. But the biggest thing to take away from this is that the Marlins are five games behind the Mets and far closer to last place than first place.
Oh yeah, then there’s that thing about the $106 million dollars the Marlins shelled out for Reyes only to see their team sink in the standings instead of climb.
Yep… This is why I love baseball so much…
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| Team | W | L | Pct. | GB |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Braves | 25 | 18 | .581 | - |
| Nationals | 23 | 21 | .523 | 2.5 |
| Phillies | 21 | 23 | .477 | 4.5 |
| Mets | 17 | 24 | .415 | 7.0 |
| Marlins | 12 | 32 | .273 | 13.5 |
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I’m not gonna lie….I completely forgot about Reyes.
On Scott White: Bonifacio over Wright? Seriously? Bonifacio is more of an OF, not a 3rd baseman. Lawrie on the other hand? Can’t lie, I’d take him in a NY minute.
If you go back to before the season many ranging from all differing backgrounds be it of a saber or Seamhead never predicted the NL East to unfold as it has so far.
As baseball often likes to show, there is what you see on paper and then there is what you see on the field.
I dislike any homegrown talent finishing his career in another city, but I’m really enjoying Sandy’s patience, giving the 2012 Mets enough time to gel.
Well it is hard to compare Jose’s number when you look at the team he is on!
Marlins as a team are hitting .242
Mets as a team .258
But that said aside from the injury to Tejada you sure can’t complain that he isn’t hitting.
But they are both is very different roles.
reyes leading off and Ramirez is hitting .259 behind him. I’m sure he has some Jason Bayitus in that he is pressing to impress the folks who gave him a big fat juicy contract.
Tejada batting second in front of the near Batting Champ.
The best hitter in Miami is Infante with a .289 BA!
very different teams and positions the two batter we are comparing are in.
I’m happy to have tejada and appluad him for getting better every year.
As for reyes well he might have done a lot better with us than he has in Miami and at this point the only thing you can say for certain is we would not have lost a few games where our 5th choice at SS could have cost us the game.
Cause as good as Tejada is with the glove compared to Reyes reyes would have been far better than Quintanilla, Cedeno and Valdespin (who made two errors in one game and got everyone on Parnells back undeservedly.)
I don’t regret the move right now but it’s still early.
I agree in that Jose’s numbers probably would have been better if he were still here citing the examples you gave. Nice job.
But i’m moving on, I’m very happy with our SS now. When the Mets have won in the past the SS were Ordonez, Harrelson, & Santana and while Ordonez may have been the best glove and Harrelson the most steady i’d take Tejada over all of them. So if you want to win SS isn’t the issue.
I was laughing at Maniac and BadLeroyBrown the other day not being so impressed with Tejada and almost seemed like they were criticizing him just because he doesn’t project to be a major star. I was thinking “what do these guys want? A SS that hits .310 with 20 HRs and 450 slugging? If that’s what it’s going to take to make them happy then I guess Tejada isn’t your man and you’ll be very frustrated. I’m happy with the kid we have there and oh by the way, he’s 22, younger than a lot of Mets farmhands and still developing.
So if you want a SS that can play for a pennant contending team than we have our guy and it’s time to move onto other positions because like i said before, each time the Mets won the SS was not nearly as good a hitter as the guy we have now. I guess you call that “Mets Average” as opposed to “league average”.
Well you certainly can’t knock Tejada for being hurt anymore than you could have knocked Reyes when he was the one missing games.
Truth is SS is a very demanding position and usually the better the fielder the higher the range and what makes a good SS is not quite as durable as what makes a great 3B or 1st baseban!
Tejada has not yet proved he can be a full replacement but he IS young and there is still time for him to develop further.
But I can’t knock any player who has a good glove and hits near the .300 range. I don’t care what position he is playing!
But what he does from here on out won’t make me forget about what Reyes did for this team when there was a hell of a lot LESS hitting to help him.
He made the All Time Met team for a damn good reason…
Just happens that the What have you done for me lately Fantasy Roster management squad seems to have forgotten just how important he was to the team.
Reyes’ season last year and Wright’s this year would’ve been amazing to see in the same year and on the same team of course.
To answer your question….I miss Reyes
I like Tejada but he hasnt played a full season…And while he is a solid defender and a contact hitter(nothing spectacular) that is not enough to make me forget Reyes… I’m not as fickle as some Mets fans. I remember when Tejada was called up last year he garnered this same hoopla but when he started to struggle some of these same fans who overrate him now wanted him sent down and were looking for the next man in line(Havens,Valdespin)
Our biggest concern with Reyes was him getting hurt frequently ironically enough Tejada has been the injury prone player this year.
I am wondering what the Mets scouting department is doing this time around to find the next Ruben Tejada in Panama. I overheard in the stands that Panama has 3-4 shortstops as good as Ruben this year ready to sign. It seems that we are missing out a lot looking elsewhere.
Dominican shortstop Germán Ahmed Rosario:
Rosario might be the most divisive player in Latin America. He has a long, lanky build, good bat speed and raw power in batting practice along with average speed. Some scouts who like Rosario enough to have him ranked as the top prospect in the Dominican Republic, seeing him as a true shortstop who with power who can hit in games. He showed that at the MLB showcase in February in games against Venezuela, going 4-for-7 with a double, a walk and no strikeouts. Supporters like his fielding instincts, hands, arm strength and ability to make the barehanded play.
Other scouts see an upright hitter with a leg kick that gets him out on his front foot against offspeed stuff and leads to strikeouts with his uppercut stroke. His body has a lot of room to fill out, so he may end up at third base, but some scouts aren’t sold on his infield actions and see him as a corner outfielder.
The Mets will sign him for a $1.7 million bonus
basically they got a 2nd mid-1st round draft pick, for about the right money. Can’t possibly hurt adding more talent like that into the lower part of the system
As far as the low minors are concerned, my motto there is “throw it against the wall and see what sticks.” It gets more complicated when 40-man decisions must be made, but in the low minors, I’ll sign anyone and see what develops.
Get it? Minors? Develops?
So far so good, but time will tell. I do like Ruben Tejada a lot. Just enjoy watching him play the game and steadily improve. At 22, what the heck’s not to like!
From what I’m reading Wright had approx. a 440,000 lead going into the last day.
In the last 24 hours, Sandavol came up with 2 million extra votes – had 3.7 million going into the last 24 hours.
Something wrong with that……
Dang, wrong thread – sorry.
LOL….No wonder Wright didnt get voted in to start the ASG you probably made this same mistake voting for Panda instead…SMH
Since April 30 (when Reyes was batting .205), Reyes has hit .294 with a .370 OBP in 56 games and is 14 out of 15 in SBs….he’s also walked more times than he’s K’s (28/23). Look at Albert Pujols or even Carlos Beltran in 2005, sometimes guys start off slow when they sign that big contract with a new team. Looks like Reyes has righted the ship. On the other hand, Tejada has K’d 3 times more than he has walked (28/9). Not to mention, those 28 K’s were in only 34 games. Don’t get me wrong, Tejada has performed much better than I expected him to, but, lets not compare apples to oranges just yet.
Everybody complained about Reyes missing games due to bad wheels.Tejada misses over a month with a quad and could get re injured at any moment and most of u think that’s just fine and dandy.WOW!!!! Reyes is halfway to 3000 hits and has mvp talent.No way we could miss his production bacause we have the great Ruben Tejada..Thanks for the laugh folks
I don’t want to sound like a “negative nell” here but mid season evaluations are only slightly more useful than off season predictions. In other words let’s let the season play out.
As much as I loved Jose, giving him that huge contract would not have been a smart baseball decision. The chances of him still being productive towards the end of it are very unlikely, given the type of player he is. That’s not even taking into account how bad he’s been this year. Tejada might never be a superstar, but he’s a reliable shortstop who’ll hit for a good average and play solid defense. The fan in me wishes things could’ve been different, but in the end Jose’s leaving was for the best.
I am still angry regarding the circumstances that forced Jose out of New York.
When spring training opened in 2011, Sandy was not only non-committal about Jose’s future but took no effort to at least deny the so many rumors having him go to this club or that one.
Don’t forget, the year before Ruben Tejada showed us that he had the potential with the glove but could not hit major league pitching – struggling to finish at .213 – so it was not as if we had someone groomed to take over the reigns at short.
Jose was to be gone – he just made it impossible for the front office to do so in mid-season as planned. They had to settle with shipping off two of the three players noted to be gone by the all-star break instead of all three. But we still had no real solution for shortstop.
http://www.metstoday.com/5866/2010-mets-evaluations/2010-analysis-ruben-tejada/
Fortunately, Ruben’s bat came alive and that did change a lot of our minds. Though for a stretch he did play an erratic shortstop (many errors) it seemed we now had someone who could take over for Jose So with Tejada then showing great potential, I think we can all agree letting Jose go for a younger and more healthier player was a gamble worth taking baseball wise. Whether it works out in the long-term is yet to be seen. But so far I am happy with the way things have worked out.
But that’s why I am still angry whenever I think not of Jose wearing a Miami uniform but of the reasons that led to it. Murphy’s bat made it where Ruben was not going to take over at second. When Jose pulled his hamstring Ruben got a lucky break and took full advantage of it, showing he was ready.
But the decision was made long before Tejada or anybody else was seen as a solution for the hole that would be created with the loss of Reyes. Nor was the money saved by not re-signing Reyes used to get other players instead as Sandy was implying. It was just used to reduce operating expenses. Since neither Tejada or Murphy was projected to be in the team’s plans when the decision to dump Reyes was made (spring, 2011) the front office just lucked into it.
Joey D. — “I am still angry regarding the circumstances that forced Jose out of New York.”
Joey, Jose left because he wanted to go to the highest bidder, loyalty be damned. The basic responsibility belongs to Jose and Peter Greenberg, his agent who tried to place a demand before doing due diligence on what the marketplace would offer. They did it through the media, which many folks consider a no-no. That 29 teams didn’t line up at the offering line is no surprise.
Des,
That spring training Sandy Alderson said: ” “it makes good sense to see him play a time or two before we make decisions”. When does one need further time to evaluate an all-star shortstop?
If Jose’s market value was at it’s highest at the end of this season, it certainly wasn’t so when Sandy made that statement. At the time Jose could not walk away from the Mets – he had one more year to go on his contract. Still, there were no formal talks, negotiations or offers – not even a token one way below his market value – that Reyes and his agent could have refused. Even if Greenberg told Sandy what they were going to ask for was way beyond reason, it too would have been just a starting point.
There weren’t talks going on which one could say even just broke down. The Mets made no attempt to start formal talks once the season began and, just like David Wright, there became a point when Jose said negotiations would be a distraction.
And when one is told after the season to shop himself around and then come back to talk, it is telling him goodbye.
We do not know if Jose would have still opted out for free agency and gone for the biggest contract because he never got the opportunity to do so. Thus, to assume he was going to walk is all speculative and without merit. Same as if I insisted he wasn’t going to simply sign with the team that offered the biggest contract and if at all possible wanted to end his career as a Met.
But the evidence based on the statements and behavior of the front office does confirm his days as a Met were over before the first game was played last year.
You keep saying that but I have to wonder if your really just trying to convince yourself that is true more than anyone else because you’ll feel better about what went down thinking thats the way it happened…
He didn’t go to the highest bidder he went to the ONLY bidder who met his goals of 6 years and over 100 Mil.
No other lower bids were made certainly not by us and if he had wanted to go to the highest bidder he would have waited to see what Milwalkee and the Nats were going to say.
He didn’t he took the offer the Marlins made when they stepped up and added some money and told him take it or leave it!
The rest of your version of how things went down I fear is more for your own benefit than anything to do with the actual truth!
Metsie — Your point of view is very unconvincing to me. When one side of a potential agreement lays down the gauntlet by stating that the offer MUST be at least XXX dollars and does so in the press, and does it without knowing what the market will offer, it reeks of stupidity to me. Yes Greenberg got Jose on the hook but Jose doesn’t have Greenberg’s claimed expertise. Greenberg failed to do a complete job including a market analysis. If I were Sandy, or any other GM, I wouldn’t offer anything but a bottom price. Why should they? Greenberg played Jose like a fiddle.
Des,
One could ask for the moon but that doesn’t mean the other side doesn’t try to negotiate him down. Sandy has a reputation as being an outstanding contract negotiator and to think he would give up based on the initial request, let it be in the press or formally written down in paper, is not the way a former MLB executive of the year conducts business.
Right or wrong, Sandy had no intention of re-signing the Mets shortstop.
Yeah he was stupid crazy to ask for 100 Mil I mean after all he must have been crazy to say I want 100 mil when 106 was out there waiting for him!!!!
Stupid and Crazy like the fox I say!
And I don’t remember a single quote from Reyes’ side stating their terms to the press.
A lot of other people stating what he wanted but never one from reyes himself.
But it makes you feel better to think a possible HOFer and ALl Time Met SS left over greed feel free to delude yourself.
He left because thats the offer he had and when he came to us we it we said NO THANKS!
If we had made the offer we wanted before the Marlins had a chance to show his just HOW CRAZY he was to ask for 100 Mil then maybe you wouldn’t need such elaborate storytelling to yourself to feel better about his leaving!
He left because we didn’t want him!
Not because he wanted too much!
He got even MORE than he wanted from the Marlins!
106 Mil! And if he wanted more mo ey all he had to do was listen to the other teams who were about to make an offer in a week. He didn’t! So if there is any stupidity in what Reyes did it was in taking the 106 Offer he had instead of trying to squeeze water from a rock as you are suggesting!
He didn’t go for the money!
He went for the only contract he had in hand!
Because you were too worried about bidding against yourself on your very first offer!
You know what would have been bidding against ourselves?
If we bid a dollar because our previous and FINAL bid was a big fat ZERO!
You know what would have been bidding against ourselves?
If we bid a dollar because our previous and FINAL bid was a big fat ZERO!”
Metsie… 100% correct… But him having a terrible season to his standard is making sandy’s desicion to not bid anything like a smart desicion, maybe his best desicion.. wait, maybe HIS ONLY good desicion
Alex it may yet turn out to be a good move by Sandy, But not based on what Reyes does and more based on what Tejada does.
Truth is the perception is Reyes is having a down year…But thats not really all that true either. He isn’t having a Batting Title year or his career best, but he is very close to his career averages in most categories.
Jose is really a .280-.290 hitter in most years. he’s currently at .269.
He had a horrible April (.220BA .341OBP) but since then he is back to his old self.
May .297BA .378 OBP
June .283BA .472 OBP
If Sandy manages to find a speedy CF that can hit for .300, get on base and steal a ton of bases Then he will have made up for what he lost with reyes and his decision would be a good one.
Time will tell on all of this and whats done is done as far as I’m concerned….
The only reason I even entered into this further with Des is he keeps reciting this fantasy he concocted of events for no other reason than it makes him feel better about losing Reyes because he can feel we had no shot at him when we had plenty of shot we just refused to take it because he thinks an initial offer is bidding against yourself!
You need TWO bids to bid against anything!
There has to be a competitive bid already out there before you can have an “AGAINST” to compete with!
“it may yet turn out to be a good move by Sandy, But not based on what Reyes does and more based on what Tejada does”
Hi Metsie,
Exactly my point. If it turns out to be a good move by Sandy it would not be on foresight but luck. Sandy planned to dump Jose before spring training camp even opened back in 2011. At that time, we had no real promising prospect or player to just adequately fill those shoes. At best, Tejada appeared to be a defensive replacement because of his inability to hit major league pitching in 2010.
If Sandy was instead negotiating but hesitant to agree to terms at a certain point, based on what Tejada was doing, then it would be a whole different story. But since that was not the case, at most, Sandy lucked out.
He didn’t with his two consecutive master plans to revamp the bullpen – or his people, I should say, since I don’t think Sandy is the one doing the player evaluation and has often said he relies on the advice of his people.
Well he should get some crdit for reognizing that Tejada has what it takes to replace his bat and glove. But that alone does not make for a complete replacement.
Reyes had other skills we have yet to replace such as his Speed on the bases and Leadoff ability which Tejada doesn’t have.
But as I said it doesn’t have to be replaced by a single player it could be we get that from our eventual CF replacement for Torres.
Anyone wants to discuss if reyes was worth the contract come talk to me in 6 years cause one year is not enough to say a damn thing. He has what seems like a down year for him (really just a very bad April from what I see) but he could win 5 Batting titles in a row the next 5 years and then what will that contract look like? a STEAL!
Metsie, thing is, reyes’ may not be worth that contract, his numbers certainly are indicating he’s not having a good season despite having a good may and an ok June, so sandy’s lovers got nothing but this to hold on to.. So you will be seeing post about reyes’ failures just to gloat over the genius and they can come back and tell us “see, we told you so” because they have nothing else…
This team is playing well despite the man trying to sabotage the team.. He’s done nothing for this org but yet this is their last hope of hurray for the man.. So
Oh Alex I know there are some here who have a vested interest in seeing Reyes fail because lets face it that would be the only one of 40 things they will have been right about in the last year! LOL
As I pointed out yesterday, He’s currently on team that isn’t hitting, He has a .259 Hitter batting behind him and the only two guys who are hitting better than Reyes there are Infante (.289) and Stanton (.282) there isn’t a single .300 Hitter among them.
I would wait to see what note the season ends on and how well he performs through the life of the contract before we can say he has not been worth his contract.
Afterall the Saber Rattlers love to hide behind small samples…Funny how they never seem to shy away from them when it suits them though! LOL
Metsie goes into his last man standing BS. I’d recommend a good read of a book on negotiation theory. Send another copy to Peter Greenberg. What bunk Metsie spills.
Dude I have done negotiations all my friggin life!
And it is you who should read the book on negotations, cause you seem to think this is Ebay or something.
You can’t bid AGAINST something that doesn’t exist!
You can’t bid against yourself unless you have already MADE an offer to bid against a second time around!
You can’t possibly bid against anything unless there is already a bid out there to compete with!
Your theory on this has nothing to do with ‘Negotiation”
Your theory is a theory on Auction not Negotiation.
In an Auction you never make the first bid you wait until someone else sets the price or the Auctioneer is prepared to close bidding because no one else makes a bid and you could get the item at a lower price than your initial.
But in a negotiation there is no Highest bidder gets it. Your not dealing with an EMOTIONALLY DETACHED Auctioneer, Your dealing with the guy who IS what you want (or has it)
In a negotiation the best way to keep the price down is to be the ONLY one making an offer! Supply and Demand and DEMAND sets the price!
Which means the exclusivity is the time to get your discounted price and if you fail and it goes on the open market your stuck paying Market price!
Thats what happened! Not Reyes going for the money because the competition between us and Miami was Miami wins 106 – 0
And if he really wanted more money he would have held out until after the GM Meetings to go and visit those other teams who inquired to see what they were offerring first!
Reyes didn’t go for the money he went to the team that met his salary goals and fit his living location needs and the only reason why they got in was because we refused to negotiate with him at all!
Perhaps he does to Miami what he did to the Nats and the Brewers if we make a reasonable offer during exclusivity!
This fantasy of your is merely to make you feel better about his leaving. You want to blame it on Reyes’s greed and stupidity (like a guy who asks for 100 Mil and gets 106 can be considered DUMB) but the truth is your Negotiation theory failed you because you refused to make any bid at all he took the only bid he was given and THATS why Reyes is a Marlin right now!
Metsie — Your remarks befit someone who is desperate for a viable position at the expense of other viable views. You seem to have trouble with alternative views. Let me remind you that I liked Jose Reyes a lot as a player. So your view that I didn’t isn’t worth the effort to respond. I’ve also said many times that I liked the work of Omar and Sandy, as well as liked the personal qualities of Willie and Jerry. Now I like Terry. Each of these guys brings pluses and minuses. But overall I thought they were positive factors in the Mets system. The only manager/scout I didn’t like was Tony Barnazard. He was a snake and got what he deserved — he was fired. So I say to you, promote your views but don’t try to disparage others from doing the same.
No My remarks are based on actual events not some concocted story I made up to make myself feel better about losing a player you defintly DID like!
No one is saying you didn’t like reyes in fact we are stating just the opposite!
Just as trauma victims tend to shut out the bad memory of thier experience you are concocting a fantasy of WHY Reyes left that does not exist in raslity in hopes of convincing yourself there was no way to keep Reyes it wasn’t our fault therefore any regrets you could possibly have over his leaving was unavoidable!
Truth is it was plenty avoidable but your insistence on not making a play for him is what cost you his services, Not his greed, not his stupidity and not because your strategy was sound but because it was NOT sound!
The only stupidity here was not making a single bid on him and then if he got more money elsewhere you could claim he went for the money!
He didnt’t he went for the offer that was made and since we made NO offer we lost!
Any attempts to protray events differently is all about convincing yourself your strategy about bidding against yourself is NOT at fault for losng a player you liked and wanted to keep!
If you wanted to keep him you should have made an offer!
Sandy didn’t because as we have said and you keep arguing against, He didn’t WANT to keep Reyes and never had any intention of even trying!
If he had he would have made an offer (ANY offer lowball or not) when he had exclusive rights and that was the cheapest reyes would/could have been.
He didn’t!
Becuase he didn’t want him and thats why Reyes is gone not that crap you keep repeating over and over again hoping that the repetition of the fantasy will eventually become accepted as a fact!
You want to rewrite your memories to deal with the trauma of loosing him thats fine but no one else needs this lie to get over the loss!
It’s done and if Reyes turns out to be worth all that money then no fantasy revisionist history on the planet is going to make the decision look good. So if you really want to feel good about what went down start rooting for Reyes to fail miserably and then you won’t need to rewrite history to blame reyes for his leaving when everyone is quite content with the notion that he left because Sandy didn’t want him and time will tell if he was right or not!
Metsie — Keep it up, my friend. I don’t care what your motivations are for saying what you state, I just deal with your facts and conclusions. They don’t cut it in my book.
Yeah his agent is a screwup and hurt reyes by getting him 6 mil more than he wanted is YOUR conclusion…
Thats your story and your sticking with it!
Why?
Because then you can blame them and not the actual reason he’s gone…OUR STUPIDITY and Bad Negotiation skills not Reyes’ Agents!
Your ignoring all the facts and merely practicing Self therapy to get over your loss!
At Least he bring baseball conversation into this mets blog.. While others just come in to comment on what someone else had said and criticize it… You des bring nothing to the blog, all you do is make false predictions on what you think might happen, you’re rapidly becoming one of the worst people in here as if you weren’t before. Live and let live..
Alex you don’t want to get started with snide remarks. Your persistent LMAO is probably used because you can’t say LMBO (Laughing my brains off) because you have to have some to start with. Now go back to your pack mentality. You likely can’t do it on your own.
Please. once i found out your detest to reyes had more to do with where reyes is from than anything else it proved to me all i needed to know about you, i usually never respond to you because of what i think you are, i’ll leave it at that, but again, you’re rapidly becoming one of the most despite people in this blog and its well deserve…
Alex68 — You throw your crap against the wall and hope some of it sticks. It won’t. As you should know, I liked Jose’s work on the playing field. So buck up young man and deal in facts. What I’ve repeatedly said is that Jose hired the wrong agent — Peter Greenberg. I don’t dislike Jose, but I think he made some bad decisions in his negotiation attempts. This view sticks in your neck for some reason. And don’t forget you originally wanted me to cut Jose’s negotiation tactics some slack because you said he came from the DR. There is no Affirmative Action in the meritocracy of major league baseball.
I have to say des what your saying about Alex fits more with this fantasy you keep putting out about Reyes and his bad agent…
Why don’t you tell us all what mistake his agent made and what that mistake cost him and make your point instead of just inferring a mistake or stupidity was in play without any semblence of how it actually hurt reyes?
The guy got MORE than he asked for!
How is that a mistake by his agent and how did that make reyes take less money than we were offerring (which was ZERO!)
Seems to me your selling us on some story that Reyes’ Agent is to blame for his not staying here and it cost him money as if we were willing to pay more tyhan the Marlins…
Some proof of this would go a long way to making your point!
Unless you can prove it was a mistake to not take less money to stay here which won’t fly because the amount of money we offerred would have REALLY been dumb of his agent as Reyes would be playing for FREE if he accepted Sandy’s Non Offer!
Hi Metsie,
Well put about negotiations not being auctions. Good explanation to laymen who also wish to understand more about this aspect of business practices in general.
As their behavior and statements show, the decisions to dump him, KRod and Beltran were made before spring training camp even opened and the only reason Jose wasn’t sent packing during the season along with the other two is because the Mets screwed things up for Sandy Alderson.
It would have been easier for the owners to justify the moves if the Mets played just .500 after that miserable 5-14 start and gone 43-43, giving us a record of 48 and 57. The team instead playing so unexpedtly well was the only reason why Jose was not sent packing along with the other two at that time. Knowing all along we were not going to re-sign him we could have at least get some other prospects in return (instead of getting nothing as it turned out). But with the anger mounting already about the proposed trading of Beltran after the KRod move, Sandy and the Wilpons knew sending off Reyes would be disasterous as far as support from the fans was concerned – in terms of the turnstile – and it would take years to build back that support, just like it did the Doubledays.
I don’t miss him one bit. Not his boneheaded plays, not his Peter Pan act, not those stupid braids, not his taking plays off, none of it.
I know he’s a tremendously exciting talent, but I think the $100+Million dollars could be spent so much more wisely.
I would agree with u if they used the money they saved on Reyes to acquire top notch talent.But they just used it to cut costs which is a disgrace.There bullpen has lost 17 games this year.2nd most in MLB.SA is to blame for that mess as he was for Reyes departure.
Nope. I don’t. Not worth the money.
To be honest, things work out differently, in 1990 Darryl bolted for the money, he regretted it, as he realizes fans elsewhere will not show you the same love, Ny needed reyes as much as reyes needs NY, it is not the same passion in MIA and somehow he does not seem to be having fun.. Maybe he is trying to hard out there, i think the reason fans (Including Myself) don’t miss him is because we are mets fans, and the team is doing good, who knows, had he signed here we’d be probably in first with a wide lead, or last place.. One will never know,but one thing i’ll say, he’s a very talented player who can get CRAZY hot and carry the team by himself for a stretch, the talent is there so i will not count him out, good luck to him in his career, except when he plays us…
And remember, i LOVE jose reyes, but it is what it is…
Who misses Jose Reyes? So far, statistically speaking, nobody misses him!
While I personally was not surprised by him leaving New York and not terribly upset I think it is way too early to gloat over what has happened so far. First off, Jose certainly had a great season numbers wise on 2011 and a first batting title for the franchise but he played hurt for better than 6 weeks down the stretch to win that title and his play was less than inspiring. The biggest thing though was that in 2011 Jose was playing for a free agent contract!
Like so many fans, I thought that despite Reyes talents we should not spend the dollars it was going to take to resign him because of the risk with his injury history and because we still had too many weaknesses to fill. In hindsight, nobody could have felt that Santana and Dickey could have performed the way they have so far.
One thing that is very clear and most likely the reason for Sandy Alderson to be willing to let Jose Reyes go is that he strongly felt that Ruben Tejada was ready to give us a quality shortstop who was going to hit .275 or better and not make any of the “bone head mistakes” that Reyes did at times. Physically, Jose was a delicate thoroughbred race horse but still had not totally matured as a heads up player above the neck!
Having watched Ruben Tejada, I am thinking that he could well hit closer to .300 but regardless I am thrilled that we didn’t resign Jose and decided to give the job to Ruben.
By the time this season is over I would bet that Jose has a better second half if he stays healthy so that all of the skeptics who are still angry that we let him go will have something to bitch about! They were wrong then….and they will be proved wrong over the next few seasons!
Pretty useless article. Considering 3 games separate the teams in the loss column and Mets actually finished 7 GAMES ahead to Miami last year. It’s barrely mid season and we are touting a guy who already missed more games (45) than Reyes missed in either of the last two years
Tejada is a nice player but he is a singles hitter with no speed who only hits lefties and the Rockies well
Nice defensively with some hitting upside but no Jose