19
2011
A Foregone Conclusion…
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Jose Reyes went 3-4 with two runs scored last night and has now raised his batting average to .322 for the season. The Mets are 110-29 (.791) when Jose Reyes scores two or more runs.
Currently, Reyes leads the majors in triples (6), multi-hit games (19), hits (59) and stolen bases (16) and is tied for second in the NL in doubles with 13.
George Willis of the NY Post says if the Mets really do care about their future, then why keep up the pretense that there’s still a chance Jose Reyes will be re-signed when it’s inevitable he will be dealt at some point this season?
Jose Reyes, meanwhile, occupied his familiar position at shortstop and continued his fine season with three hits and two runs scored. For an injury-ravaged team, it was a good night.
Still, the worst-kept secret in Flushing is the Mets likely will deal Reyes before the trade deadline, ensuring they get something in return before he becomes a free agent at the end of the season. The cash-strapped Mets have no interest in paying Reyes the $100 million contract he’ll demand. Bottom line: Come Opening Day 2012, Tejada will be the Mets’ shortstop.
Why the pretense if that’s the case? Why not start Tejada at shortstop now and move Reyes to second base? Why can’t the future start now?
Mets manager Terry Collins yesterday said Tejada would play mostly at second base and spell Reyes at shortstop. But if the Mets really are thinking about their future they should let Tejada play shortstop now and gain all the experience he can.
Jose Reyes is embarked on what could be one of the top three offensive seasons in Mets franchise history if he maintains these current levels.
Sandy Alderson has said on a couple of occasions this Spring, that he wanted to see what Jose Reyes could do this season before talking about any extension. I wonder if he likes what he sees?
At this point, I don’t see what Jose Reyes has to gain by not waiting until the end of the season to test the free agent waters this off season.
Alderson has rolled the dice and gambled on a few player moves this off season, but the decision to let it all ride on Jose Reyes may end up being the biggest gamble of his tenure as Mets GM, and so far it’s looking like the only winner here will be Jose Reyes who is virtually assured of a $100 million dollar deal barring any disaster. The real question is will he be getting paid in Mets dollars or Phillies dollars like some believe.
If he does end up in Philadelphia, watching him leadoff and wreak havoc on the basepaths against us will be too much to take. At least it will be for me. I would almost rather see him on the Yankees instead of the Phillies – and that idea has been floating around as well.
Things are going to get pretty dicey as the deadline inches closer and closer.
Regardless of how things ultimately turned out, Duquette will always be remembered for trading Scott Kazmir, and Grant for trading Tom Seaver, will it be the same for Alderson if he trades Reyes?
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1) You can’t move Reyes to 2B. That would be a huge slap in his face and a PR nightmare. If you want to play Tejada at SS now, trade Reyes now. Otherwise, deal with having your best player play where he’s best and where the fans want to see him play.
2) Reyes is not going to NY or PHI. Relax.
I agree. You can’t move Reyes to 2b at all. I hope they resign him. We will get better with Reyes STILL here. We need a LF that hits and some better pitching. Beltran I can see being traded, since he will not be here next year.
Even the thought of moving Reyes to second base is absolutely ludacris. As is usually the case, a NY Post writer writes something just to cause a stir. Aldersons investment in the future should run through Reyes.
I already went from being a full season ticket holder to only buying a partial plan the last two seasons. If Reyes goes, I may only buy single game tickets next season and just go to a couple of games. The only two players I really love watching play are Reyes, Beltran and Johan. If we lose two of them, I’ll only go see Johan pitch next season for one or two games.
Should read the only *three players.
Why do we continue to beat a dead horse, “Jose will be traded, this is assured?”
Why can’t we just enjoy his performance so far this year and pray for a chance for a wild card spot?
I say with all that money coming off the books that Mets have to find some way to get Jose signed; maybe lower avg contract over an extra year?
I too will have a hard time watching Jose play for Phildelphia if they have the money to sign him since Rollins is getting old in front of us.
Yup that would be the ultimate slap in the face to me is see Jose playing at CBP.
The end of your post is the answer to the beginning of your post. Every real Mets fan knows that Reyes is the engine that makes us run, and now that a few unfortunate injuries are behind him he’s playing the way he always has for us. So to see him in any other uniform is hard to take. So the fact that are “genius” GM decided that “stolen bases weren’t important” and that he “wanted to wait and see” means that our home grown mvp candidate potential catalyst is most likely is playing himself out of our price range is horrifying. And we talk about it.
The Kazmir tradde was crap, but it did not kill the organization. And don’t compare Jose to Tom Seaver. Let’s see where Jose ends up, average wise and team wise. I doubt Sandy will send him to the Phils or the Yanks, but he is free to go where he chooses. Count the YANKS out. The Jeter era has at least one more year to run at SS. The Phillies have been winning their division (and a WS) WITHOUT Jose Reyes up to this point. Unless they feel Rollins is done I cannot see them doing it. It really would not bother me.
I didnt compare Seaver to Reyes, I compared Alderson to two other GM’s whose tenures are best remembered for one trade they made and gave examples.
By the way, Rollins is a free agent and if they were going to give a big deal to Reyes or Rollins who do you think they would choose? Who would you choose?
Fair enough, if that was the meaning. I would base it entirely on how much the player wanted. I am not a believer that Reyes 2011 and Reyes 2014 will be the same player. I am not even sure Jose hits .300 this year. Both of them have the injury bug. If they asked for the same contract I wouuld probably go with Reyes, though.
“The Kazmir trade was crap, but it did not kill the organization…”
Actually it did. The manager and GM were soon replaced and Fred’s idiot son was sent to his room and gorunded for two years.
If we had kept Kazmir we easily get to the World Series in 2006 and the post season in 2007 and 2008. Just look at his numbers from those years. Hell we might have gotten there in 2005 as well.
Who’s to say that we would have run him into the ground like Tampa did either. On the other hand we probably would have given him an exhorbiant contract but at least it would have been after he helped put a ring on everyone’s finger and most likely we wouldn’t have signed Perez.
Just an incredibly naive move by two morons looking to put their stamp on the team. Duquette and J.Wilpon. What a bunch of fools.
Good article
However i’ve been on the record continuously saying Jose Reyes is staying with the Mets. It’s certainly not a foregone conclusion he will be traded. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Yankees don’t have room for Reyes so we can forget that happening. (They’ve been on record already this season saying Jeter won’t move from SS anytime soon.)
Phillies don’t have the money for Reyes after locking up Lee. Also they have to worry about resigning Utley soon enough.
Angels will be in the bidding.
Red Sox may be (however I doubt it since they still must finish the A-Gon deal.)
Giants and Brewers may toss out some #’s but in the end they don’t have the money to get it done IMO.
Reyes will be a Met in 2012. Trust me.
I hope you’re right about Reyes staying. I agree that the Yanks have no room, considering Jeter, A-Rod, and Cano aren’t going anywhere. However, I disagree that the Phillies will be “worrying” about resigning Utley. Utley is a FA after 2013…he will be 35 and his health seems to be of pressing concern.
Utley’s contract situation will be relevant sooner rather then later. Howard/Lee/Halladay are all making big bucks. Plus Mets can outbid the Phillies with ease.
I love Reyes…will hate to see him go…but he deserves better than this. I’ve been saying since the offseason that I believe he will be Jimmy Rollins’ replacement in Philly next season…considering Philly has money to spend, are contenders, and Reyes loves hitting in that stadium (and won’t have to face Halladay, Oswalt, Lee, and Hammels when hitting there), I can’t imagine him not going there in this offseason. Not to mention, Reyes’ family resides in NY now, and Philly is only 90 minutes away. Unless Boston, SF, or LAA decides to get involved and shell out a ridiculous amount of money, Philly makes the most sense…assuming he is not back with the Mets.
Phillies don’t have the money for Reyes this offseason. And they can’t outbid the Mets with the money they have. The Mets still have money man. They aren’t broke…
Rollins $8.5 million will be coming off their books…and Oswalt has a mutual option and Hammels is a FA…should the Phils decide to only pick up 1 of those 2 and let Rollins go…signing Reyes should not be too much of an issue for them.
As I said they still need to outbid Mets. Mets have plenty of money to get a deal done. And Reyes loves living in NY.
Reyes loves playing in NY…no doubt…but, I’m curious, where you got the notion that the Mets “have plenty of money.” This team has taken out around $50 million in loans in the past year just to cover operating costs. This team was valued at $800 million, and they are in discussion to sell 49% of the team for $200 million, which is half of what that portion is worth, just to get some money in the bank for this team. Ticket sales and mechandise sales are plummeting…Plus, the Wilpons’ are being sued for $1 billion. Not saying you are wrong about them having “plenty of money,” just curious with all of the evidence pointing to that not being the case, where you found information supporting your theory?
Once the Wilpons agree to sell to a partner they can use that partners money to sign players as well as their own. Not to mention the Wilpons have money in the bank that has been untouched up until now.
The Wilpons as well as many other owners don’t usually use their own personal money to operate factions of the team such as payroll. However in a situation like this they will either do that or sell the team all together. They are already on record saying they won’t sell team so they will eventually delve into personal savings.
Don’t forget Howard’s extensions kicks in next year, I think.
I love how the people think the team that actually reached in its pockets to improve their club this past offseason is broke. That would be a Metropolitans problem. Philly is printing money and playing the way a big market baseball club should. The questions are whether Reyes makes it to free agency, and whether the Phils feel loyal to a former MVP. Money is not a problem
First of all George Willis is a complete moron! That could have been one of the worst and most ill informed articles I have ever read by a “sports journalist”. He makes the argument for those against Affirmative Action.
Alderson will offer Jose in the neighborhood of $75 mill. If he takes it then Tejada becomes the 2B man. AND then they trade or give away Beltran.
End of story.
“Duquette will always be remembered for trading Scott Kazmir, and Grant for trading Tom Seaver, will it be the same for Alderson if he trades Reyes?”
For starters, they were right about Kazmir. It wasn’t that they traded Kazmir, it is what they GOT for him. Kazmir wasn’t a free agent either. If a Mets fan compares Seaver/Kazmir to Reyes, they are just ignoring facts.
Secondly, DK I totally disagree. There is no reason for Philly to not entertain the thought of Reyes at SS next year. But I do agree that moving Reyes to 2B is just silly, the Mets should only do that if they sign some hotshot japanese player
You only took part of my sentence jessep.
Regardless of how things ultimately turned out, Duquette will always be remembered for trading Scott Kazmir, and Grant for trading Tom Seaver, will it be the same for Alderson if he trades Reyes?
When you think of Grant and Duquette, dont Seaver and Kazmir come to mind for you? Maybe it’s just me.
George Willis is a moron. First of all, how does he know for certain that the Mets will trade Reyes? He’s speculating like the rest of us. And move Reyes to 2nd? That has to be the dumbest idea I’ve heard since…since…the last time the Mets moved Reyes to 2nd!
Bingo on all.
So, we’re surprised and outraged that the Post put up a dumb article baiting Mets fans?
Reyes needs to stay; he’s the club’s lifeblood. If you drain the lifeblood, you drain the life.
Mets get some luck and this time they take it to the bank. Read all about their second straight shutout: http://tiny.cc/21ud7
Trade Beltran, trade K-Rod but sign Reyes. This team can contend for a wildcard. Tejada is a joke compared to Reyes.
I say keep K-Rod. He’s our best reliever. Only thing I’d fo is make sure ge doesn’t finish the 54 games needed to trigger the vest(it’s 54 btw not 55 like people think). Buy him out and pick up the 2 picks when he signs elsewhere.
Here is the deal with Reyes and I don’t know that both sides are actually thinking clearly here….
One side says trade him while the trading is good. The other side says resign him because look at what he can do!
Yes those that says trade him while the getting is good are correct you will get a lot of youth in exchange. Most will be AVERAGE players who will never make up in a roster spot what you lost in Reyes! You might get some decent highly touted prospect as well. BUT REMEMBER…he’s TOUTED not TESTED! Could even be worthless which is why they gave up on him for an immediate gain elsewhere!
I am one who thinks it may be a good idea to resign him but I certainly know that at some point we are going to be paying based on what he did this year (which could be his career year) and not on what we are likely to get the next 3! So it may mean we can’t afford or think it’s worth it to sign him (Seems to be the general consensus)
The Better Reyes does this year the worse it is for us either at the deadline or the FA negotiation.
What should be considered here is the RETURN netted with both options.
In the trade scenario you will probably get 3 guys in return, One top Prospect, one or two Middle to average player and or 1-2 Trade Filler to make the deal palatable.
You will only be able to get as good as they have available!
But if you wait to try and negotiate with him and offer arbitration you could get two TOP picks in the draft if he goes via FA. And that means at least two of the guys you would have gotten will now be drawn from the MUCH LARGER list of Prospect before the rest of the league can get them!
Personally like I said I am leaning toward the re-sign him or let him walk to get the picks option.
I would rather get Two players from the entire Amateur Pool than to get one extra player from a much smaller selection of pre chewed kids!
You will get numbers in a trade but if you truly want to build this franchise from the ground up your better off with drafting your own failures than taking on someone else’s!
Cause at least the player was totally your choice!