If You Want Alex Gordon, Be Prepared To Give Up Harvey Or Niese

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• Longstreet October 27, 2012 at 12:56 pm

  Finally a player that I would be interested in as G.M. I would not give up Harvey, but I would offer a package with Niese for this stud Outfielder.
  • Tommy2cat October 27, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Matt Harvey isn’t going anywhere. Ditto for Jon Niese.

    We have a glut of left-handed hitters in our organization, not just at the ML level. I can see us pursuing Alex Gordon and offering a package that might include Wilmer Flores, Valdespin, Mejia & Familia – something along those lines. But SA shouldn’t tamper with our rotation.

    We need RH hitting outfielders. I’m a proponent of starting young and going after Giant’s Gary Brown or Toronto’s Jake Marisnick, or some facsimile thereof. Won’t cost us the asking price discussed for Gordon, and addresses a more immediate need.
    • Just_Da_Damaja October 27, 2012 at 5:22 pm

      so ur plan of getting rid of the huge glut of left-handed hitters is to trade away a right-handed hitting prospect, along with 2 young pitchers…

      how about instead of trading Flores and Valdespin…we trade Reese Havens, Kirk, and Duda, along with Familia and Parnell

      5 players, 3 left-handed hitters and 2 pitchers for 1 right-handed OF

      seems fair to me…
      • Tommy2cat October 27, 2012 at 7:06 pm

        Well, let’s take a step back. The article suggests that in order to acquire Alex Gordon, we’ll have to part with a major prospect or incumbent lefty starter. In principle, I don’t think that’s a good idea. However, if our outfield is to undergo a major upgrade, then what are our options?

        Assuming we’re going to keep David Wright, exactly where does Wilmer Flores fit? He has little-to-no experience in the outfield and doesn’t profile as a 2nd baseman. Ike is at first base. There’s no room at the inn, and the kid can flat-out hit.

        So, yeah, that makes Flores expendable, oddly, because he is desirable to other teams. My druthers is to acquire a young, RH hitting outfielder. Enter Brown, Marisnick & Co. via the trade route. That’s my preference over trading larger assets to acquire yet another left-handed bat. If we’re going to acquire Gordon, however, Flores would likely be part of that deal.

        I wouldn’t trade Parnell. It’s not necessary and he’s really starting to hit his stride. We need to extract the value out of the time and effort we’ve expended in ball players like Parnell & Murphy, who are ML capable, under our control and relatively affordable.

        In conclusion, I think it’s best to keep our pitching intact, solidify our existing core, develop our young arms and exercise some patience until 2014, when the purse strings loosen-up a bit.
        • Just-Da-Damaja October 28, 2012 at 2:05 am

          A few factors here we are not considering…

          1 – AG has been used to playing in KC….

          2 – AG will make 12 mil a year

          normally this wont make too much of a difference…but with the mets owing close to a billion dollars on the stadium, SNY and deferred contracts….they are in austerity mode.

          in the wilpons eyes, they had David Wright in 2009-2010-2011-2012 and saw attendance drop each year tremendously…

          for many reasons, there is NO sense having David Wright on your team if you can not surround him with Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado type hitters

          and David Wright HIMSELF is not going to want to be on a team w/o those type of hitters around him.

          I think David himself has to be scratching his head when he sees Jason Bay and his .187 average out in LF with Lucas Duda in RF struggling to catch normal pop-fly’s

          When David Wright had to get out of his 2011 funk, he didnt go back to Dave Hudgens, he went back to his HS coach…

          Everyone commended him for that…

          Ike Davis does the same thing…and gets thrown under the bus by everyone in the org….

          this is why in 2010, when ike, murph, duda, tejada were all coming up together, people had noticed that they bonded together and Wright was kinda the odd man out…since he came up with Reyes, and Joe McEwing and Floyd were his mentors…

          You have never heard David Wright being mentioned as anyone’s mentor the way Floyd and Super Joe were his…or the way Beltran had help mentor the team…in 2011…Beltran was our captain….

          Like I said…if Wright looked like John Kruk or Pedro Sandoval we wouldnt be having this conversation. Wright = what the wilpons envisioned for Gregg Jeffries back in 1988…and like Jeffries, the treatment the team has given him has made him standout from his teammates and in my opinion, get in the way of David being one of the guys…and he doesnt have the stones to be the leader…

          case in point…2010…rookie ruben tejada gets upended by chase utley….that day David Wright made as many vague and tough statements as humanly possible….

          the next day, David gets on base…never attempts to steal…and when he had the opportunity to slide in and break up a double-play….doesnt take out Utley….

          guess who did?

          The guy recuperating from knee surgery…

          But dont worry folks…2 years later David yelled at TC for taking him out of a game…this is enough proof to confirm he deserves a C on his chest….

          the C should stand for Chicken, not Captain
          • Tommy2cat October 28, 2012 at 2:59 am

            Many of your points are valid, some of which I have adhered to, but have elected to subordinate them to something of a long-term vision for the Met organization as it pertains to David Wright. He’s the one player we have right now that can reach 3000 hits, 300 home runs, win a couple of more gold gloves and enter the HOF after playing his career exclusively in a NY Met uniform. Not too shabby for a kid from Norfolk, Va. who cheered for the Mets his entire life.

            This is not to say he hasn’t infuriated me over the years, but sometimes we take certain players for granted and don’t realize what we had until they’re succeeding in another town. I think Wright is hamstrung by trying to be too politically correct, probably b/c he’s too self-conscious of him public image. He needs to go to McSorley’s and get into a barroom brawl and spend a night in the tombs. Y’know, help him adjust…

            Alex Gordon may have developed into a very capable major league outfielder with a stellar bat. Whether that translates to New York City is an entirely different question. I do know that David Wright has been an All Star almost every year he’s donned a Met uniform, so he passes the Big Apple test, which we sometimes overlook.

            But I absolutely hear what you’re saying. Before the season, I had DW traded to the Colorado Rockies for Wilin Rosario (yeah, before everyone knew about him) and Drew Pomeranz. I thought that would’ve been a fair trade that Colorado would consider given DW’s career performance at Coors Field.

            For that matter, I also had Daniel Murphy going to the Blue Jays either straight-up for Jake Marisnick or in a package deal to try to land catching prospect Travis d’Arnaud, or JP Arencibia as a fall-back position.

            I feel much different about Murphy and Wright and believe they can grow into responsible elder statesman in the clubhouse for a team that will be quite competitive in the very near future. I really think patience is in order. I like the idea of acquiring someone like Alex Gordon, but remain concerned that we will undermine a component of our organizational development in the process.
            • Just-Da-Damaja October 28, 2012 at 11:35 am

              Problem with Wright, is that the Wright we knew from 05-08 has been replaced by the Wright we know now from 2009-2012…

              Wright’s splits esp from July – September are horrifying

              2009
              July – .269
              August -.306
              September -.269

              2010
              July – .296
              August -.225
              September -.248

              2011

              July ( 10 games ) – .455
              August -.247
              September -.216

              2012
              July – .255
              August -.272
              September -.262

              Those numbers are night and day with his splits from April-May-June

              and thats with the same dimensions….a lineup that performed better in the 2nd half.

              Ike was atrocious in the 1st half of 2012, great in the 2nd half…and provided the “protection” Wright lacked in the 1st half when he was actually great…

              Problem i feel with Wright is that when he bats in front of a bopper…the pitcher cant walk around Wright…and will challenge Wright more often than not….

              the elephant in the room is that Wright can no longer handle a really good FB anymore and is really more suited to hit 5 than 3 or 4…

              In a tight pressure situation….no one is scared of Wright…as a matter of fact, they probably fear Daniel Murphy….

              Why?

              Murphy is totally happy with a slap single to CF….he has no posters to sell…no sponsors expecting a Herculean HR….no pressure about being the face of the franchise

              Same with Duda

              Same with Tejada

              Same with Turner

              David Wright is only worth David Wright money when you put him in a NY Yankee lineup and surround him with several guys who can handle the media as he had in 2005-2008

              Pedro
              Glavine
              LoDuca
              Wagner
              Floyd
              Santana

              all shared in handling the media

              once Pedro left…and Glavine…and LoDuca….and Wagner….and Floyd….

              This is when Wright became the sole and only voice to handle reporters…
• Dan Valis October 27, 2012 at 1:06 pm

  I am with you longstreet….Niese is as good as gone if I can get my hands on Gordon.
  • Tommy2cat October 27, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Well, here’s Gordon’s stats as illustrated on The Baseball Cube:

    http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=Alex-Gordon-1

    He’s something of a late bloomer, but would add substantial punch to our line-up from the outfield position. We shouldn’t pursue him unless we also have a plan to add a significant RH bat, as our team would be far too susceptible to lefty pitching over the long haul.

    Currently, he’s not a perfect fit and we should think long and hard before we part with key assets before acquiring someone whose offensive capabilities are more redundant, as opposed to someone who addresses a more specific need.
• taskmaster4450 October 27, 2012 at 1:14 pm

  This is where a decision needs to be made on facts and not emotion. It would be tough for many fans to lose either Niese or Harvey. But the fact is that to get a talent like Gordon, it is going to cost.

  The one problem I see in Gordon is he is another lefty hitter with splits that arent great against lefties.
• K Maxx October 27, 2012 at 1:15 pm

  I would gladly give up either of these two pitchers to get a real bonafide outfielder again. Especially one with some thump and can field his position. But I doubt this is anyone this front office would give a second glance to. They wont be able to afford Wright AND Gordon together. What Gordon gets in 2013 is basically their whole offseason budget.
• Connor O'Brien October 27, 2012 at 1:15 pm

  That’s tough. I definitely wouldn’t give up Harvey and I’d be very reluctant to give up Niese.
• We Can Win October 27, 2012 at 1:27 pm

  Sell high on Niese. Let’s see if Sandy call explain to KC that Niese is poised for the breakout season after an excellent 2012 where he pitched well for a full season. I agree that Gordon is a good attitude guy to build an outfield around but would like to see my defensive OF stats
• Ky mets October 27, 2012 at 1:29 pm

  Him for Niese should be a good trade. The numbers are comparable, remember Niese is a pitcher and Gordon is an outfielder. We can’t under value our talent.
  • Kramer67 October 27, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Yes but also remember we need an outfielder more than we need a pitcher, and pitching is our greatest strength on our depth chart.
    • Ky mets October 27, 2012 at 1:41 pm

      I agree I said him for Niese would be a good trade. We need out fielders and they need pitch it’s no reason to over pay.
• stick October 27, 2012 at 1:33 pm

  why exactly would the Royals be looking to trade him for?
  • Alex in CT October 27, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    His salary jumps to $12.5MM in 2014. KC is a small market team, they do this with all their young stars. Look at Grienke as the latest example.
• Alex in CT October 27, 2012 at 1:33 pm

  I always admired Gordon, he’d certainly fill the void in right.
• Hank October 27, 2012 at 1:35 pm

  I’d try to give them R.A. and see if they’d bite. I doubt it, but it’s worth a shot. I love the idea of adding Gordon, but I’d only give up Niese kicking and screaming. I’d try to get Myers for a Niese-led package. I’d be like, the kid is nice, but he’s yet to prove anything on the MLB level. See if the buy that.
• TruthsaboutMurphy October 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm

  Great idea Hank, Although I doubt they’d bite. Niese looks to be the guy here. And do you know what, I still wouldn’t do it. Niese, on a good team, easily wins at least 15 games and is getting better and stronger every year.

  Gordon is a great player, but I keep my established starting pitching and wait until 2014. Let me tell you why.

  If they sign Dickey, then in 2014 your rotation is excellent. Dickey, Harvey, Wheeler, Niese, and Gee would match up with any rotation in the bigs. By then, the bad contracts are gone and even with Wright and Dickey’s extensions this team will have a great chunk of change to work with to get the outfielders they need.

  By 2014, those low A pitchers could be doing great in double A, making them even more attractive in trades and gives the Mets even more of a cushion to trade Niese if they must. Let’s face it, the 2013 mets need far too much and have far to little to spend to become a playoff caliber team.

  Ask yourselves this: if you add Gordon and subtract Niese, does this team really get that much better? They don’t scare me yet if I’m the Nats. Face it, because Ownership can’t properly fund this big market team, they must wait out at least one more season of mediocracy.

  Look at the two world series teams. They both have great rotations. Why take our legit number three starter who might even elevate himself further up the depth chart and trade him now?
  • Metstheory22 October 27, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    I agree with you on this. It is hard to give up your best left handed starter with questions about Santana next year. We need to get stronger up the middle without giving up our top three future starters. At his age, I would see what I could get for Dickey, be it an outfielder or catcher.
    • Tommy2cat October 27, 2012 at 4:22 pm

      Agreed – patience is in order here. No need to tamper with the rotation with 2014 just around the corner. We spent a lot of sweat equity in developing Niese to the point where he’s a very reliable an effective left-handed starter.

      Rather, we should marshal our assets and sit tight until our finances and developing minor league talent allow us to add substantially to an improving core of young ball players entering their prime.
• L.J. Phipps October 27, 2012 at 1:58 pm

  Why would you trade your best lefty for another lefthanded hitting OF’er? Never have enough pitching and according to the experts pitching wins championships which the Mets need. Santana is a question mark, Gee is a question mark, and even if they bring back Pelfrey question, and Young there is no guarantee they would fill the void. Niese, Dickey, & Harvey are the only pitchers right now that are sure to start 2013 in the rotation. They claim Wheeler needs more time, McHugh the jury is still out & Schwinden is not my answer to take the reins if you trade Niese. I’d rather wait to see a rotation of Niese, Harvey, & Wheeler as the front 3.
• Joey D. October 27, 2012 at 2:15 pm

  I doubt the Mets would be willing to take on his salary which will indeed jump to $12.5 million in 2014 for if they were able to, they would not have made the moves they did – or didn’t – these past two seasons which were essentially made for cost-cutting purposes more than improving the team. And as others point out, there is no way they can re-sign Wright or Dickey and get Gordon as well.

  Also, I would think KC would want someone of significance along with Niese, not a throw in.

  In order for us to improve, we have to dive somewhat into free agency for whatever trades we make will simply shore up one hole while creating another. And that is not going to happen either, not as long as we remain sellers and not buyers even when in the middle of a playoff race.

  I doubt the Mets will be in any discussion with KC anyway.
  • Metstheory22 October 27, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    If we are in discussion with KC, it should be about J. Dysson or Lorenzo Cain, as they have Myers coming up next year.. Both are affordable and might be had for less than Niese.
• PA Met fan October 27, 2012 at 3:06 pm

  Why not trade RA for Gordon?

  Alex Gordon is a favorite player of mine and I think would be a tremendous fit for the Mets and fill the left field spot for the Mets in 2013. Gordon is a guy who has shown what scouts saw in him in 2006 when he was such a highly rated prospect. He needed the change of scenery in left field to do this. But, what worries me about him is that he is not really a big city guy. He was born in Nebraska and played his whole career so far in Kansas City. Can he handle New York, I don’t know, but a trade is worth a shot.

  RA Dickey is a guy who the Mets really don’t need. Lets be honest, the Mets are not going to be good again until about 2015 or 2016. RA will be forty years old then. I know that knuckleballers are more durable than conventional pitchers, but who know how he will rebound from his recent surgery? The Mets could get a lot back for RA, and Gordon is 28, and will be in his prime at the same time the Mets prospects will be.

  Like the guy or not, do the Mets really need a forty-year-old knuckleballer when all of their prospects are reaching the bigs?
• Doug Branch October 27, 2012 at 3:28 pm

  I think the Mets will pursue a right-handed hitting corner outfielder, if nothing else. Gordon has posted nice numbers but the last think this lineup needs is another left handed bat. If they deal Niese (Harvery is going nowhere) it will be for a young right-handed hitting outfielder.

  Nevertheless, I wouldn’t hold my breath on the Mets trading young pitching or acquiring a high-ticket item. 2013 is going to be the same pig adorned with different lipstick.
• MATT M October 27, 2012 at 3:36 pm

  No way on Harvey, but I’d deal Niese for Gordon.
• Bayonne Mets Fan October 27, 2012 at 3:54 pm

  Why not Wheeler for Gordon? If he was good enough to get you Beltran he should be good enough to get you Gordon, no?
  • this is stupid October 27, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    gordon has 4 years left on his contract, beltran had 2 months
    • Bayonne Mets Fan October 27, 2012 at 4:41 pm

      So? you still move Wheeler for Gordon and try to move Wright (and in my opinion they can if they wanted to) so instead of paying Wright you use that money to pay Gordon and you still have more left over to improve the team. Essentially you’re replacing Wright’s production for Gordon’s, you solved one OF position and worst case scenario you put Murphy back in his normal position and now you still have plenty of chips to improve the team
      • this is stupid October 27, 2012 at 5:13 pm

        to finish that off put Valdespin at second to replace Murphy, trade Duda+Familia to the Twins for Ben Revere and sign a cheap right handed outfielder to platoon with captain kirk in right field. Use the leftover money(probably only 15-20 mil even without Wright’s contract cause of the front office) to sign 2-3 solid relievers and Mike Napoli. This would be so awesome.

        All of that sounds good, but Wheeler would be overpaying since he’s way better than Niese(probably Harvey too). I can’t prove this until he comes up, but I’ll be really surprised if Wheeler isn’t better than Niese.
      • Just_Da_Damaja October 27, 2012 at 5:24 pm

        basically…Gordon’s production replaces Wright’s…

        u just have to get back a SS or a 2B when u trade Wright and Dickey
  • Even Flow October 27, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Are you nuts?

    If you were talking Myers, then maybe we’d be in agreement, but Gordon? No.
    • ecpglp October 29, 2012 at 3:03 pm

      You’d prefer a prospect (granted, a great one) to a proven major leaguer? One who is a superior defender and one of the most valuable players in the majors by WAR (look it up)? Really? Are you insane?
• We Can Win October 27, 2012 at 4:48 pm

  Harvey and Wheeler are the future of our team. Neither can be traded realistically. Forget about it.

  I agree that winners are built around starting pitching. But we need outfielders as we now have none. Trade Niese for Gordon then move some of our other left bats other than Wright and Davis.
• MATT M October 27, 2012 at 6:16 pm

  No way would I deal Wheeler for Gordon.
• Longstreet October 27, 2012 at 9:21 pm

  I believe Wheeler & Harvey will lead the Mets rotation for years to come. I would hate to move Niese, but I must pull the trigger. Gordon instantly solves one OF position. I don’t care is he bats lefty, that’s the least of the Mets problems. They need professional ballplayers, not retreads, rejects or over priced FA’s. Getting Gordon is a positive move and should be made if at all possible.
• steve October 27, 2012 at 10:59 pm

  How about Santana for Gordon. To even out the trade the Mets pay the extra dollars on Santana”s contract. Then trade Duda and Bay to Toronto for Marisnick,and also pay Bays contract
• juan October 28, 2012 at 12:11 am

  Wrong. Gordon will have to come with some one else if they would like to land Niese, lest not talk about Harvey.
• hotstreak October 28, 2012 at 2:03 am

  Some want to trade Niese and Ike who are our youth core to fill needs instead of Wright and Dickey. Can we really contend with the Nats and Braves. w/o two outfielders and a catcher not to mention a reliable closer? Does our youth, the envy of other teams have to be sacrificed? Niese and Ike are our untoucheable along with Harvey and Wheeler.
• Nathan October 28, 2012 at 10:02 am

  I would entertain a Wheelercentric trade for Gordon. Yes he looks good but he is a ML’r. Trading from the roster would hurt the team. Gordon is a lefty but that would give us a good LH RH LH 345. That puts Wright in the 4 hole but when protected he performs better. IDK sounds like a long shot. But the message is solid if you want to get someone you have to part with someone and right now our young contractually obligated LH would be last on my list. I’d deal Harvey before Niese.
  • hotstreak October 28, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Nathan: I would deal Dickey or Wright. You keep a young core and deal neither. You protect your own young and do NOT sacrifice them.
    • Nathan October 28, 2012 at 10:24 am

      Dealing RA would be acceptable; however, the Royals are a budget conscious team and trading Gordon’s friendly contract for one year of Dickey is probably a no go. That is why I would choose Wheeler. Of course I would attempt Mejia or Familia first but Wheeler would be my cap. Speaking of which Sandy needs to find a trade partner for Mejia. He is a good pitcher and may have something to offer another team. I’d love to find a good list of outfield prospects to see if there is a match up somewhere.
• steve October 28, 2012 at 10:51 am

  If you are inclined to trade Wheeler,you better be asking for Wil Myers!! End of story
• Chest Rockwell October 28, 2012 at 11:17 am

  LOL to anyone even CONSIDERING Niese, Harvey, or Wheeler for Gordon.

  Gordon is good, but not THAT good, and pitching wins titles; pretty good OF don’t without that pitching.

  No chance in the world this happens, and it is more meaningless speculation from MLB’s chief fabricator, Buster Olney.

  Why is it so hard to understand that the Mets have stunk for years, and have right now exactly ONE strength–starting pitching–Dickey/Niese/Harvey/Gee and Johan-then-Wheeler have the potential to be good enough to help the team show serious improvement if they are all healthy, even in 2013. Remove one of them, and you are an injury away from more of the same garbage we have seen for years.

  They just signed Niese to a great, club-friendly, long-term deal and he followed that with his by far best season, health- AND production-wise.

  Why would the team even consider trading him?

  Harvey and Wheeler are utterly untouchable, unless you are getting back a player of a level you won’t get, because they are also untouchable.

  Gordon is a good to very good player, but he is not close to that level.

  Nothing to see here.
  • K Maxx October 28, 2012 at 11:24 am

    You may not be familiar with the concept of dealing from one’s strength. Look it up. Gordon would be a huge lift for this team’s offense and the difference between replacing Niese with Wheeler would be negligible, while the difference between Gordon and Nieuwenhuis would be monumental. You seem to have a very narrow view of things.
    • Chest Rockwell October 28, 2012 at 12:52 pm

      The strength is fragile and should not be disrupted as the rest of the team is so thin and weak. And it matters not, as the Met front office would laugh at the idea of Harvey or Niese or Wheeler for this guy.

      “the difference between replacing Niese with Wheeler would be negligible”—as Wheeler has zero MLB appearances, this comment is utter comedy.
  • Nathan October 28, 2012 at 11:32 am

    I tend to disagree with Wheeler. He does look good but we haven’t been able to score runs. Not only that but we haven’t produced any Major League outfielders and have none on the horizon for a couple years. Gordon would really help stabilize the offense and Wheeler, while good, is still in the minors. Gordon has been durn good the past two years. I am unsure of why his Hr total dropped off this year but his doubles went up, maybe it was luck. Either way his stick and outfield D would be seriously welcome. I understand your position on the depth chart; however, Mejia and Familia are still here along with Hefner and Mchugh. These guys combined for quite a few starts this year and the rotation was still a strength. I love to think about long term building but if we don’t start winning games we are going to lose more players then we can produce.
    • Chest Rockwell October 28, 2012 at 12:49 pm

      The rotation was a strength due to Dickey and Niese, and Johan until the no/1-hitter ruined his season.

      “Mejia and Familia are still here along with Hefner and Mchugh”–Hefner and McHugh are garbage nothings, and Mejia and Familia, while holding promise, have not proven very much even in the minors thus far.

      Dickey/Niese/Harvey are a potentially great 1-2-3. Wheeler is loved by scouts and if he develops as hoped, the rotation could be so good that you won’t need 6 runs a game to be a good team in 2–3 years.

      I feel that the team would be insane to break that up for Alex Gordon.
  • Just-Da-Damaja October 28, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    LOL

    Niese makes 3 mil next year…then 5 mil…then 7 mil…then 9 mil…with 2 team options after that…

    Gordon makes 9 mil…then 10 mil…then 12 mil…

    If Niese is traded, its for someone entering his 1st or 2nd year in the bigs…not for someone making triple his salary

    Logic + Met fans dont always go together…

    Now that being said…I am not opposed to moving Niese if it means getting back a Jameson Taillon

    Niese is affordable to a team like Pittsburgh and if we sweeten the deal by including Murphy and Duda…u pull the trigger on that move..

    why?

    Murphy is entering his 1st year of arb….I assume Duda being demoted had more to do with limiting his service time…if performance was a factor, Ike would’ve been demoted far before Duda

    Essentially, this is all about trading guys who are approaching their arb years in exchange for guys in the minors
• Met Maniac October 28, 2012 at 1:18 pm

  It’s hilarious reading how many Mets fans think Gordon isn’t that good. And oddly enough they are the ones who defend Alderson tooth and nail. SMH!
  • Chest Rockwell October 28, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Wrong on all counts as The Core always is.

    Gordon is a very good player. But he is not one you trade Niese/Harvey/Wheeler for.

    And Alderson has, in the moves he has made, done a very poor job.

    OK, enough having my IQ lowered by the 4–5 people here who delude themselves into thinking they are anything but a joke to the rest of us.
    • ecpglp October 29, 2012 at 3:06 pm

      Alex Gordon is a top 20 player by WAR, and has been for the last two years. Look it up. That is absolutely 100% worth Harvey or Wheeler. Gordon is WAY undervalued, probably because he plays in KC.
• Hitman October 28, 2012 at 6:13 pm

  I’d only go for Gordon ONLY if the Mets can also manage to get Gordon with some pitching like Mike Montgomery, despite his shortcomings the past two seasons. This team needs to be run mainly by pitching & defense.
• trs86 October 28, 2012 at 6:55 pm

  Now if the Mets wanted to work out a three way where Dickey goes for something that in turn brings back Gordon with us chipping in a guy like Duda and aeither prospect?
  • Hitman October 28, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    I could see that happening only if Tampa wants to get involved. However, instead of Dickey, it can be Santana (with the Mets eating the contract). We need to get young, sufficient pitching.
  • Stick October 28, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    TRS, that makes logical sense. Santana, he is not bringing anything back though.