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		<title>Mike Francesa Goes Off Against The Mets</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 12:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe D</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Big day on WFAN for the Mets &#8211; or at least during Mike Francesa&#8217;s time slot. After a 10 minute rant against the Mets to open the show, he had Sandy Alderson on for 15 minutes a few hours after that. There was a lot said by both of them &#8211; good and bad. Tonight you&#8217;ll get the rant, tomorrow you&#8217;ll get the interview along with my thoughts and summary. This wasn&#8217;t easy to transcribe [...]]]></description>
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<p>Big day on WFAN for the Mets &#8211; or at least during Mike Francesa&#8217;s time slot. After a 10 minute rant against the Mets to open the show, he had Sandy Alderson on for 15 minutes a few hours after that. There was a lot said by both of them &#8211; good and bad. Tonight you&#8217;ll get the rant, tomorrow you&#8217;ll get the interview along with my thoughts and summary.</p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t easy to transcribe so I apologize now for any typos. Buckle up&#8230;</p>
<p>How bad must it be for the kid <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/harvema01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Matt Harvey</a></strong>? I mean they can&#8217;t score any runs for this kid. If the Mets could score just four rotten runs in a game this kid would be 8-0. When Harvey doesn’t pitch now, the Mets are so bad that it is embarrassing. They are so listless. They are so unwatchable. This is as bad as I have ever seen it. This is <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/swancr01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Craig Swan</a></strong> bad for these Mets.</p>
<p>I have a different take on the Valdespin thing. To me, the Valdespin thing speaks volumes about what the Mets have become. I don’t care if you don’t like Valdespin. He’s on your team. I don’t care if you detest Valdespin. He’s still wearing your uniform. And when the other team does that to him, and you guys act like you condoned it, and want to go out there and applaud it, that speaks volumes about what a bunch of losers you are.</p>
<p>To have a lowly team like the Pirates, who have sucked for 20 years, you&#8217;re telling me you&#8217;re gonna worry about how they feel about Valdespin hitting a homerun in a blowout game? How about worrying about winning a game instead of the Pirates&#8217; feelings? How about not worrying about getting your nose rubbed in it everyday?</p>
<p>Valdespin &#8211; you don&#8217;t like him, it&#8217;s been very clear. I know Valdespin acts like a jerk sometimes. But you know what, he goes up to the plate with some gumption. He&#8217;s not an everyday player, but the Mets don&#8217;t have any everyday players in the outfield. I know Valdespin is different. And I know none of the other players like him. But that&#8217;s no excuse for a big guy like Buck to take his nose off when he hits him in the face with a pie after hitting a game winning grand slam. And if that wasn&#8217;t embarrassing enough now you treat your own guy as if he&#8217;s a leper on your own team and don&#8217;t even stand up for a guy wearing your uniform? Shame on the Mets.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sticking up for Valdespin, I know he&#8217;s half a jerk, but he goes up there and he tries. He goes up there and he tries to turn on a fastball late in games. He goes up there and comes up big sometimes and at least puts a little life into your stinking team. You want to jettison him, fine. Cut him. That way he can come back and hit a grand slam in a pinch hitting role against you guys and you can count on it.</p>
<p>You know what, he brings a little moxie to the team. But for the Mets to just stand there and say &#8220;oh my, what are the Pirates gonna think&#8221;, what the hell do you care what they think!</p>
<p>And then you watch him get hit by a pitcher wearing another uniform? Awful. To me that doesn&#8217;t say anything about Valdespin, that says all you need to know about the rest of these Mets. That just shows you what a sorry club the Mets have become. They are not just a joke &#8211; they are a bad joke. I thought they were trying to change the culture of this team around?</p>
<p>And another thing, I&#8217;ve been the biggest <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?results=davisik02,davisik01&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Ike Davis</a></strong> fan in the world, but enough is enough. That at-bat in the eighth inning last night after they pitched around and walked Wright &#8211; that at-bat was cryingly painful. It wasn&#8217;t even major league worthy. And the Mets crying and saying the ball hit the bag &#8211; oh gimme a break. What a joke.</p>
<p>Keep Wright, keep Harvey, keep 2-3 other guys, but other than that back up the truck and get rid of the other 20 guys because they are awful and we&#8217;ve seen enough of of them to last us a lifetime. They should be paying fans to watch this team because this is unbelievable and it has to change NOW. Except for the days that Harvey is on the mound, they are absolutely unwatchable.</p>
<p>I think Sandy Alderson is a smart guy and other than getting Wheeler and getting stuff for Dickey, all the other moves he&#8217;s made have been from hunger and I bet he has to admit that.</p>
<p>Another bullpen revamp and already half of them are gone, he signs this guy Marcum and the guy can&#8217;t even pitch five innings. He pushed and couldn&#8217;t stop talking about Cowgill and look at him now in the minor leagues. And who thought it was a good idea to have every hitter go to two strike counts every time  For what? They are going to end up leading the world in strikeouts? This team started out 7-4, but since then they are 7-16. Seven wins and sixteen losses&#8230; But worse than that, there&#8217;s no heart, there&#8217;s no life. there&#8217;s fire, there&#8217;s no toughness. It is really sad, and you know what? Enough&#8217;s enough!</p>
<p style="text-align: center">* * * * * * * *</p>
<p>Now if you think that was hard to read, imagine how I felt having to write all of that for you?</p>
<p>Is he wrong about feeling bad for Harvey? Is he far off the mark on how bad this team is playing? Can you really say he was wrong about the Mets having a pity party for the Pirates because Valdespin rubbed their nose in it a little? You go ahead and discuss all of that in the comments. I&#8217;d love to read your thoughts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have the Sandy Alderson interview up in the morning along with my thoughts.</p>
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		<title>Featured Post: Behind the Mask &#8211; Jerry Grote</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 04:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Strubel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Winning was Jerry Grote’s bliss. In fact, his most joyous moment on the diamond was captured on film when teammate Jerry Koosman leapt into his arms after the final out of the 1969 World Series. In 1976, Bob Myrick found out the hard way how Grote felt about losing when the Mets rookie pitcher beat his catcher in a game of Backgammon, causing Grote to explode, sending the board and its pieces across the room [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/08/engineering-a-miracle.html/jerry-koosman-jerry-grote-ed-charles" rel="attachment wp-att-92839"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-92839" style="margin-right: 10px;margin-left: 10px" alt="jerry koosman jerry grote ed charles" src="http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/jerry-koosman-jerry-grote-ed-charles-300x238.jpg" width="300" height="238" /></a>Winning was <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/groteje01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Jerry Grote</a></strong>’s bliss. In fact, his most joyous moment on the diamond was captured on film when teammate <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/koosmje01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Jerry Koosman</a></strong> leapt into his arms after the final out of the 1969 World Series.</p>
<p>In 1976, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/myricbo01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Bob Myrick</a></strong> found out the hard way how Grote felt about losing when the Mets rookie pitcher beat his catcher in a game of Backgammon, causing Grote to explode, sending the board and its pieces across the room with a single swing of the arm.</p>
<p>“I just sat there staring at him – hard,” remembered Myrick. “He got up and picked up all the pieces, and we never had a cross word. He was a perfectionist.”</p>
<p>Grote’s desire to win led to unparalleled intensity on the field. During his 12-year career in New York, teammates labeled Grote surly, irascible, testy and moody. Then, there’s Koosman’s description: “If you looked up red-ass the dictionary, his picture would be in there. Jerry was the guy you wanted on your side, because he’d fight you tooth and nail ‘til death to win a ball game.”</p>
<p>Grote played with an anger and intensity that was, at times, intimidating to opponents, umpires, the media and teammates alike.</p>
<p>“When I came up I was scared to death of him,” said <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/matlajo01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Jon Matlack</a></strong>, winner of the 1972 Rookie of the Year award. “If you bounced a curveball in the dirt, he’d get mad. I worried about him more than the hitter.”</p>
<p>“He could be trouble if you didn’t do what he said,” added former Met <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/swancr01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Craig Swan</a></strong>. “He wanted you to throw the pitches he called. He made it very simple. I would shake him off now and then, and he would shake his head back at me. If a guy hit a home run off of me, he wouldn’t let me hear the end of it.”</p>
<p>Grote had a special way of letting his pitchers know he wasn’t pleased with a pitch. “Jerry had such a great arm. He could throw with great control and handcuff you in front of your belt buckle,” remembers Koosman.</p>
<p>Grote would get incensed when <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcandji01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Jim McAndrew</a></strong> was on the mound. “McAndrew would never challenge hitters according to where Grote wanted the ball; so Grote kept firing it back and handcuffing him in front of the belt buckle, and we would laugh, because we knew what Grote was doing,” said Koosman.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-115901" alt="jerry grote" src="http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/jerry-grote-297x300.png" width="297" height="300" />The tactic didn’t go over so well when Koosman pitched. During a game when Koosman was struggling to find his control, Grote began firing the ball at his pitcher’s belt buckle. Koosman called Grote to the mound.</p>
<p>“I told him, ‘If you throw the ball back at me like that one more time I am going to break your f—ing neck,’” Koosman told Peter Golenbeck in <em>Amazin’</em>. “I turned around and walked back to the mound, and he never threw it back at me again. We had great respect for each other after that.”</p>
<p>He took his frustration out on umpires too. Retired umpire Bruce Froemming claims Grote intentionally let a fastball get by him, nearly striking Froemming in the throat. Because they had spent the three previous innings in a non-stop argument, Froemming accused Grote of intentionally moving aside in hope that the pitch would hit the umpire.</p>
<p>“Are you going to throw me out?” snapped Grote.</p>
<p>“He made no attempt to stop that pitch,” Froemming thought. The home plate umpire fumed but realized he had no grounds to toss Grote from the game.</p>
<p>National League umpires were well aware of Grote, and his on-field demeanor. In fact, in 1975, the league was discussing physical contact between catchers and umpires. Jerry Crawford was queried about his unique style of resting a hand between a catcher’s hip and rib cage and he said, “I ask the catcher if it bothers him, and only Jerry Grote has complained.”</p>
<p>“The writers never respected Grote, but they guys who played with him could barely stand him,” said <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/swoboro01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Ron Swoboda</a></strong>. “He was a red-ass Texan who loved to f— with people but who didn’t like anyone to f— with him. It was a one-way street. Grote is Grote, and we would not have been as good without him behind home plate.”</p>
<p>“Grote had a red-ass with the media, but he didn’t care,” added Koosman. “All he cared about was what he did on the field. If you didn’t get your story from what he did out there, you either talked to him nicely or he wasn’t going to give you any more story.”</p>
<p>Grote did not return calls or respond to multiple email requests for an interview for this story.</p>
<p>This is who Jerry Grote is – and the Mets knew it from the day they traded for him for a player to be named later in October 1965.</p>
<p>“When we got him, I don’t think anyone else had that big of an opinion of him,” said Bing Devine. “Jerry was withdrawn and had a negative personality, but he knew how to catch a ball game and how to handle pitchers, and maybe that very thing helped him to deal with the pitching staff. He was great. I know he surpassed our expectations.”</p>
<p>He was exactly what the Mets needed to manage a young, extremely talented pitching staff, but he was clearly a handful to manage too.</p>
<p>“If he ever learns to control himself, he might become the best catcher in baseball,” former Mets manager <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/westrwe01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Wes Westrum</a></strong> told the media during Grote’s first season in New York.</p>
<p>Then, in 1968, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hodgegi01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Gil Hodges</a></strong> arrived. After being briefed on the Mets roster, Hodges said he “did not like some of the things I heard about Jerry. He had a habit of getting into too many arguments with umpires and getting on some of the older players on the club.”</p>
<p>Hodges, known for his firm, but fair, demeanor, took Grote into his office for an attitude adjustment. The Mets manager realized the importance of Grote’s talents and how it would affect the pitching staff. Hodges made his expectations clear.</p>
<p>“I hesitate to imagine where the New York Mets would have been the last few years without Jerry,” Hodges told <em>Sports illustrated</em> in 1971. “He is invaluable to us. He is intent and intense and he fights to get everything he can.”</p>
<p>Grote batted .256 in his 12 seasons in New York. He is a two-time All-Star (1968 and 1974). In 1969, Grote threw out 56% of baserunners. He ranks third on the Mets all-time list for games played (1235), 11th in hits (994), 15th in doubles and total bases (1413).</p>
<p>Grote fractured his wrist after getting hit by a pitch in May 1973. The Mets recorded three shutouts the first month with Grote behind the plate, four more shutouts over the next two months (May 12-August 11) without Grote behind the plate and eight more shutouts over the final six weeks of the season with Grote managing the staff. Grote caught every inning of every playoff and World Series game in 1969 and 1973. Here’s a statistic for you: In the 20 post season games between ’69 and ’73, the Mets used 45 pitchers and one catcher. Those were the only two post season appearances the Mets made during Grote’s 12 years in New York.</p>
<p>“One of the advantages of playing for New York is that the big crowds at Shea Stadium help you tremendously,” Grote said in a 1971 interview with <em>Sports Illustrated</em>. “They make you want to give 115% all the time. In other places it cannot be the same for the players. Like in Houston, nobody seems to applaud unless the hands on the scoreboard start to clap. Once those hands stop, so do all the others. Real enthusiasm.”</p>
<p>Grote loved playing in New York, and New York loved his gritty style.</p>
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		<dc:creator>John Strubel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A pair of Chicago Cubs centerfielders, Jimmy Qualls (1969) and Joe Wallis (1975), stole two of Tom Seaver’s early bids for a no-hitter. One year after being traded from New York to Cincinnati, Seaver threw a no-hitter for the Reds. Nolan Ryan never pitched a no-hitter – as a New York Met – but after being traded to the California Angels in 1971 he nudged Mets fans every couple years, throwing seven no-hitters. “Every time [...]]]></description>
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<p>A pair of Chicago Cubs centerfielders, <a href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=5&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CFQQFjAE&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.baseball-reference.com%2Fplayers%2Fq%2Fquallji01.shtml&amp;ei=zGY7Uf-qFMTY0gHIwYDACw&amp;usg=AFQjCNGZe1ZAZMdi9JUNsKV0nU_ndpmelw&amp;bvm=bv.43287494,d.dmQ" target="_blank"><strong>Jimmy Qualls</strong></a> (1969) and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wallijo01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Joe Wallis</a></strong> (1975), stole two of <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/seaveto01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Tom Seaver</a></strong>’s early bids for a no-hitter. One year after being traded from New York to Cincinnati, Seaver threw a no-hitter for the Reds. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ryanno01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Nolan Ryan</a></strong> never pitched a no-hitter – as a New York Met – but after being traded to the California Angels in 1971 he nudged Mets fans every couple years, throwing seven no-hitters.</p>
<p>“Every time he pitched you expected a no-hitter – or 15 strikeouts,” said Jay Horwitz, Mets VP/Public Relations, referring to <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/goodedw01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Dwight Gooden</a></strong>.</p>
<p>In May 1996, Gooden tossed the only no-hitter of his career – as a member of the New York Yankees. Even <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dyerdu01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Duffy Dyer</a></strong> had to leave the New York Mets to catch his first no-hitter (<strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/candejo01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">John Candelaria</a></strong>, Pittsburgh, 1975), 11 years before <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/tholejo01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Josh Thole</a></strong> was born.</p>
<p>Four years later, in 2000, amidst a slow start and turmoil over comments Mets manager <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/valenbo02.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Bobby Valentine</a></strong> made during a speech at Penn’s Wharton School of Business, Mets ace <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/leiteal01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Al Leiter</a></strong> attempted to lighten the mood. “I think I’m going to have to throw a no-hitter today to get the back page in New York with all the stuff going on,” he said. Starting against the Pittsburgh Pirates on the road, Leiter surrendered a second-inning lead-off home run to <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cordewi01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Wil Cordero</a></strong>, crushing the hopes and promise of the first-ever Mets no-hitter.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mainejo01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">John Maine</a></strong> was on the brink, again, in 2007, until Florida Marlins catcher light-hitting catcher <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hoovepa01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Paul Hoover</a></strong> reached on an infield single with two outs in the eighth inning. Maine settled for a one-hit, complete game shutout but, again, hopes of a no-hitter were dashed.</p>
<p>There were other close calls before, after and in between those chronicled here, but you get the idea. The New York Mets avoided no-hitters for a half-century. It was baffling at times. How could the pitching-rich Mets <i>not</i> have a no-hitter?</p>
<p>Seaver, Ryan, Gooden, Leiter, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/koosmje01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Jerry Koosman</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/matlajo01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Jon Matlack</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/swancr01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Craig Swan</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/darliro01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Ron Darling</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fernasi01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Sid Fernandez</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/coneda01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">David Cone</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hamptmi01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Mike Hampton</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/saberbr01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Bret Saberhagen</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/violafr01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Frank Viola</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ojedabo01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Bob Ojeda</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?results=martipe02,martipe03&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Pedro Martinez</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glavito02.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Tom Glavine</a></strong>; over 50 years of baseball the stars never aligned, not for a single summer’s night, for <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/trachst01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Steve Trachsel</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?results=stonege02,stonege01&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">George Stone</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/reedri01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Rick Reed</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?results=jonesbo04,jonesbo03&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Bobby Jones</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hernaor01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Orlando Hernandez</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mlickda01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Dave Mlicki</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/harnipe01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Pete Harnisch</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/falcope01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Pete Falcone</a></strong> or <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zachrpa01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Pat Zachry</a></strong>? No, no and no. Game after game, season after season the Mets were denied.</p>
<p>To blunt the pain and frustration, Mets fans turned the no-hit quest into a punchline. On any given night during the season a Mets fan could grab their smartphone, tap the Twitter icon and wait for [insert pitcher’s name here] to give up the first hit of the game which, inevitably, led to a tweet along the lines of:</p>
<blockquote><p>Well, not tonight #Mets fans. That’s 7,952 games without a no-hitter.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, on June 1, 2012, when Johan Santana became the first pitcher in Mets team history to throw a no-hitter, fans celebrated. I celebrated. In fact, the <i>New York Daily News</i> and <i>New York Post</i> back pages hang on my office wall. It was a big deal. But that’s where the road forks for me and many Mets fans.</p>
<p>Last week, amidst <a href="http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/61867/collins-tells-johan-to-play-it-safe" target="_blank">controversy over Santana’s health</a>, Mets blogger Ted Berg tweeted:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santajo02.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Johan Santana</a></strong> returned from career-threatening surgery and pitched the first Mets no-hitter. He could show up 300 lbs. and he’d still be my hero.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thirty-five people re-tweeted the post. I am not sure if the reaction was a symbol of support or fans just wanted to share his message with the baseball world. Either way, I disagree. Yes, I was amazed by Santana’s drive to come back and perform like the two-time Cy Young Award winner he once was with the Minnesota Twins. No, Santana should not be labeled a hero for one game.</p>
<p>SNY’s Chris Carlin dished out a portion of these stats on Twitter, to which another Mets fan replied:</p>
<blockquote><p>Fair, for first no-hitter in Mets history.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fair? Really? This is a sad – and misguided – statement.</p>
<p>When the Mets traded six players for Santana in 2008 they also agreed to sign him to a six-year, $101.5 million contract. Since then, he’s made 109 regular season starts, winning 46 games. He’s earned over $900,000/start in New York, or, $2.2 million per win. He missed all of the 2011 season and one-half of the 2012 season (because of the wear and tear he put on his arm pitching the no-hitter).</p>
<p>Remember the day you heard the news that the Mets had finally acquired Santana from the Twins? I do. Expectations were high. After the crushing collapse at the end of the 2007 season, Santana symbolized a renewed hope that 2008 would be different. Of course, it wasn’t. The point is: Santana was going to help the Mets win; a division, a league championship, maybe a World Series. You did believe that, then, right?</p>
<p>Hypothetically, would you give back the no-hitter if the Mets could have had a healthy <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santajo02.shtml" target="_blank">Johan Santana</a> in July, August and September? I would. I am of the mindset that winning baseball games, not pitching no-hitters or breaking records, is the goal. I am most happy when the Mets are winning. It doesn’t matter <i>how</i>, but <i>if</i> the Mets win.</p>
<p>Let’s face it, Santana’s not coming back after the 2013 season (if he’s not traded earlier). Over five seasons in New York he’s been closer to a disappointment than hero. Call me naive, but I expected more than one no-hitter from Santana, but thanks for the memory (singular).</p>
<p>Read more of my thoughts on baseball at <strong><a href="http://johnstrubel.com/" target="_blank">JohnStrubel.com</a></strong>.</p>
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		<title>What Pitcher Won Most Games For Mets Without Ever Winning One For Another Team?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was going to start this post with “here’s a trivia question for you” but then I remembered Art Rust Jr., the long-time sports talk host on WABC-AM who got annoyed whenever someone would start off a call with that phrase. Rust would respond “it’s history, not trivia”. So, this is my question on an important piece of Mets’ history : What pitcher won the most games for the Mets without ever winning a game [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to start this post with “here’s a trivia question for you” but then I remembered Art Rust Jr., the long-time sports talk host on WABC-AM who got annoyed whenever someone would start off a call with that phrase. Rust would respond “it’s history, not trivia”. So, this is my question on an important piece of Mets’ history :</p>
<p>What pitcher won the most games for the Mets without ever winning a game for any other major league team in his entire career?</p>
<p>I posed this question to several Mets’ fans and only one came up with the correct answer without researching it. Can you?</p>
<p>One of the better guesses was <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pelfrmi01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Mike Pelfrey</a></strong> who won 50 games with the Mets and has yet to appear with another major league team. But Mike is now a member of the Twins and unless he somehow winds up back with the Mets before winning a game elsewhere, won’t have a chance at the record.</p>
<p>Another pretty good guess was <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fernasi01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Sid Fernandez</a></strong>, but El Sid managed to get in a few wins for Baltimore after his tenure as a Met was over.</p>
<p>No, the answer is…</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-108998" alt="Craig-Swan-10" src="http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Craig-Swan-10.jpg" width="250" height="206" /></p>
<p>Husky righthander <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/swancr01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Craig Swan</a></strong> who was the ace of the Mets’ staff during the down years of 1978 and 1979.  Although he pitched for the Mets for all or part of 12 seasons, various injuries and ailments had him in and out of the rotation most years. Originally drafted in the third round of the 1972 amateur draft out of Arizona State, he had a few shots with the Mets before staying up for good in 1976. Although Swan never became the star pitcher Mets’ fans were hoping for, there were several notable highlights in his career.</p>
<p>In 1978, he led the National League with a 2.43 ERA while going 9-6 for the last-place Mets. The following year, he pitched 251 innings, winning 14 games for the Mets who again finished last. He also came back from a torn rotator cuff injury in 1982 to post an 11-7 record before injuries sidelined him again. Yet, possibly his most unique achievement is that he still holds the record for most career wins by a Mets pitcher who never won a game for any other major league team with 59. He did have a very brief late-career stint with the Angels, but didn’t win a game with them.</p>
<p>An interesting anecdote about Swan involves his potential trade to the Angels in 1979. The Mets were discussing dealing Swan and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maddoel01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Elliott Maddox</a></strong> for veteran first baseman <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mayswi01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Willie Mays</a></strong> Aikens and a young minor league infielder named <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?results=thondi01,thon--002ric&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-metsmerizedonline.com" target="_blank">Dickie Thon</a></strong>.</p>
<p>After Mrs. Payson’s death, her daughter Lorinda De Roulet became principal owner and Chairman of the Board. Mrs. De Roulet, hardly a baseball expert, reportedly vetoed the deal when she remarked “We can’t do that. Thon is just a baby”. Thon of course wound up in Houston where he became the regular shortstop for several years.</p>
<p>Swan who was always seemingly receiving treatment for one ailment or another had his career shortened by arm trouble. One of the many treatments he underwent in hopes of resurrecting his career was Rolfing or Structural Integration. Swan was so impressed by the technique that he went to school to learn it and today is a highly successful licensed Rolfing practitioner in Connecticut.</p>
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