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The Marlins are gonna trade most of their players and probally try to rebuild. I just not see Miguel Caberea coming to the Mets. Especially playing first base. Also, if there trying to rebuild, they wouldn't trade their best player to a divisional team. It would be a great move, but I just don't see that happening.

The Marlins traded us Piazza, Leiter and even Delgado in the past. At the time they were the teams best players, so you never know.

I wholeheartedly agree with you... The blame could be shared all around. You can only work with what you have, and I think that is what this amounts to for me. Pitching is something that could be much better and again, who is to blame there?? Not Randolph. It would be amazing to get Cabrera for sure. As far as errors go, its like anything, take responsibility and improve.. The errors made were totally ridiculous and honestly it happens but these are pros making the big money. They should happen less. I think when you get into a funk, you sort of lose faith and tend to make more mistakes. I'm sure being overconfident at one point may have played a part as well. I hope the Mets are getting their spirits up and can take last nights game as an indication of what is possible... Hopefully though its just the kick in the ass that was needed. Obviously unearned runs are not the way to go to the series, but I hope it was just enough to get them going. BTW just have to say I love this site, and check it daily. Great writing, insight and just fun to go to. Just want to say thanks!!!

I think all the talk about who's to "blame" for this season is a little silly and overdone. The fact is that despite their recent struggles, the Mets are a first place team. We control our own destiny. Not a lot of other teams (including the Phillies) can say that.
I also think last season's cakewalk to the divisional title spoiled a lot of Mets fans and made some of us forget the nature of pennant races. It's up and it's down. That's the nature of it. The fight for the division will make the Mets a better playoff team than they were last year. Last year the Mets went in to the playoffs without ever really being tested. It showed a little in the series against the Cardinals. The question that determines whether or not a team had a successful season is not how many times they've been down. It's whether or not they were able to get back up. So far the Mets have been able to do that. Think of recent teams that have had playoff success: the White Sox in 2005 and both the Cardinals and Tigers last year. All of those teams struggled towards the end of the season, suffering "total collapses" and all were better for it. The 2004 Red Sox were down 3-0 to the Yankees. So get off that ledge, Mets fans. The sky is NOT falling.

I think all the talk about who's to "blame" for this season is a little silly and overdone. The fact is that despite their recent struggles, the Mets are a first place team. We control our own destiny. Not a lot of other teams (including the Phillies) can say that.
I also think last season's cakewalk to the divisional title spoiled a lot of Mets fans and made some of us forget the nature of pennant races. It's up and it's down. That's the nature of it. The fight for the division will make the Mets a better playoff team than they were last year. Last year the Mets went in to the playoffs without ever really being tested. It showed a little in the series against the Cardinals. The question that determines whether or not a team had a successful season is not how many times they've been down. It's whether or not they were able to get back up. So far the Mets have been able to do that. Think of recent teams that have had playoff success: the White Sox in 2005 and both the Cardinals and Tigers last year. All of those teams struggled towards the end of the season, suffering "total collapses" and all were better for it. The 2004 Red Sox were down 3-0 to the Yankees. So get off that ledge, Mets fans. The sky is NOT falling.

There is no way in hell that the Marlins are gonna cough up Cabrera to the Mets.

Not in a million years. I wish it did happen though =/

Call me crazy but as much as we have been bashing Delgado for his inconsistency this season, anyone notice how this terrible slide began at almost the same time Delgado got his 10-15 day injury. Maybe it's coincidence but it looks like Delgado was contributing more than we noticed...

LISTEN U SAY THAT OMAR SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN CORDERO OR WILLIS WHO DID U WANT HIM TO GIVE UP FOR THEM BOTH THE MARLINS AND NATS WOULD HAVE WANTED PELFREY, HUMBER, MARTINEZ, OR GOMEZ WHO ID RATHER HAVE WITH US FOR THE FUTURE JUST MY OPIOIN

Putting any blame on Omar shows the fans lack of knowledge of market value and the fact that the market since last year is at a horrible state. Teams are asking a kings ransom for any quality talent.

If you check the scouting reports for players like Henry Owens, Health Bell, Matt Lindstrom, Royce Ring and Brian Bannister and compare them to Vargas, Bostick, Johnson and Burgos, those trades heavily favored the players we got. Also the fact that with our pitching staff basically set we did not have room for guys like Owens, Bell and Lindstrom and they would have been exposed to the Rule 5 draft. The fact that we got talent back for them was a major plus. No one knew that all these deals would backfire.

I ask you what players could Omar have realistically gotten? Do not say Chad Cordero because the Nats were asking for Humber and either Gomez, FMart or Milledge. Now I would have been willing to deal Milledge, Pelfrey and/or Humber but unless your getting Roy Oswalt, Johan Santana or a young experience OF like a Carl Crawford you do not trade Gomez or FMart. Mark my words Gomez will be talked about in the same category as Reyes and Wright in 2-3 years. That kid has raw talent you can not teach, he is oozing with talent.

As for Cabrera, yes he is an amazing talent but he has a horrible attitude and a very bad work ethic. He is a clubhouse cancer.

Manny Ramirez was also considered a cancer and look what he did for the Red Sox...just thought I'd add that. Thanks for the comments everyone!

Manny was never a problem with his teammates. The only issue with Manny was that his antics got on managements nerves. His teammates have always said great things about Manny. Cabrera has gotten a bad rep from former teammates. Cabrera has also gained a lot of weight the last year or so and he has already had injury issues do to the weight increase.

The players are to blame hands down point blank nuff said. You know why? What does it matter where a reliever pitches 6-9 inn if he is in to get outs and is relieving? Basically what im saying is Mota,Sosa,Fliciano,Shoenweis,Heilman and even Wagner i mean in the real world does it matter what inning they pitch in? Or are they supposed to get outs? What if its game 7 WS and our starter is pitching on 3 days rest lets say Glavine and he pitched 4 good innings and he just doesnt have it after that and we need Sosa in the 5th , Mota in the 6th , Heilman in the 7th Wager in the 8th and Pedro to close it out are the players going to bish about not having a solid role for when they are going to be used? Please man give me a break you do what ever you do to close out a game and get the win hands down no excuses GET THE OUTS!!!!! The teams that overcome that bs gets to hold the trophy up. I coached a kid in a 9/10 yr old tournament who didnt relieve all yr brought him in 2nd and 3rd no outs he was nervous and i visited the mound twice in the inning he got the outs with 1 run scoring and we won 7-5 he got it done whats the problem with a grown man doing it? Get over it and close it out.

Chrsitian I am always on this site and I enjoy your comments, but I want to know why you are always so unwilling to part with Pelf, Humb, Gomes, Milledge?? What exactly have they shwon you that makes you think theyr better than Cabrera, Cordero, Oswalt, etc.?

If you want the cream of the crop you should pay a kings ransom. It's always been that way.

You remind me of the time when everyone wanted to hold on to Pulsipher and Paul Wilson, when we could have traded them for Pedro Martinez or Randy Johnson at the time. We may have won a couple of championships if we had those guys in their prime.

You complain about giving up unproven talent everytime somebody blogs about a trade on this site. You seem like an intelligent guy, dont you know that only 1 out of every 25 so-called phenoms ever realize their potential? The odds are stacked against Pelfrey, Humber, Gomez and Milledge, and yet you dont want to trade them for a truly REALIZED talent.

The Mets phenoms had some time to prove how phenominal they are and they seem ordinary at best. You look at other recent phenoms lately and they hit the ground running like Justin Verlander, Jonathon Papelbon, Joba Chamberlain, Prince Fielder, Hanley ramirez, the list is endless. None of these Mets players that you cherish and guard with your life have shown to be anything close to being a minor start let alone a superstar.

We should have had Pelfrey and Milledge in Oakland and Dan Haren pitching game 1 of the NLDS for us in a season that could have been clinched weeks ago. But instead we have Pelfrey and Gomez and we are struggling for our playoff lives.

I think you like to dream beautiful dreams about our over-hyped prospects and I guess thats nice, but it wont get the Mets anywhere.

This is a business and should be treated as such. Players are commodites in this game. Teams like the Braves, A's, Angels, Bosox and Yankees learned that years ago. The rest of the teams just like to hupe their kids and play with the fan's heartstrings.

We have seen eight rookies play for the Mets this season and none will even crack the top 20 of the ROY voting.

Stop hanging on to the Benny Agbayani's and Jay Payton's of the world.

Let's stay positive...things are going to go our way!

If hear one more person cry about the fact that Omar did not pull the trigger for Cordero or Willis (who is overrated, IMO, as hitters have simply begun to figure him out), I will scream.

I'm sorry the Nats did not want just Pelfrey straight up for Cordero, they wanted Pelf, Humber and Milledge/Gomez (possibly both). If you are GM, do YOU make those deals? I know I don't.

With starting pitching hard to find as it is, and the structure of most pitching staffs - save San Diego, who exactly is stacked out there? and besides Webb, Oswalt - another borderline overrated starter IMO, Halliday, beckett, santana, c zambrano (maybe), Verlander and of course Peavy, Young and those clowns in sd, who is an ace these days? Believe me, we have it better than most.

Maine and Perez are young, they don't have the mental or physical "guts" yet to go out there and dominate...YET. that comes with time and why you don't see Glavine, pedro or Duque fold under pressure. Even giving up a few runs, they can fall apart.

And if we had traded Milledge, we would be floundering in 3rd. Who was the spark who helped the team out of this funk in the summer when EVERYONE was going down in the OF to injury?

I applaud Omar for the moves he DOESN'T make. Would you rather have Steve Phillips out there trading david Wright or jose reyes away for overrated scrubs and fat vets?

I would like to see evidence via a link to any news source that says that the Nats wanted all that for Cordero. You wont find any because it's not true. However you will fin a hundred stories that said Humber and a scrub for Cordero. Plus I never said anything about that piece of poop Dontrelle who I absolutely detest. I said Haren and I said Oswalt. Dont compare studs like that to Dontrelle who is just as mediocre and ordinary as Maine and Perez.

Mark I just said in my previous post that I have no problem giving up Pelfrey, Humber or Milledge I said that about them since last offseason. I was all for the Pelfrey and Milledge for Haren rumors back in sprring training.

However Gomez has showed me an awful lot when given the chance, his poise and the way he carries himself at such a young guy. When he first came up he showed me things you only see from the most seasoned veterans.

I have taken courses in scouting and have strongly considered a career in scouting. Gomez has so much talent you do not give up on a kid like him. Alex Escobar or Jason Tyler or any other top OF prospect the Mets have had in the last decade or so did not have even half the talent Gomez has. The trade market has never been this demanding any time in recent history.

I've read posts here and on the mets.com forum where fans are blaming Omar for not trading Humber for Cordero or not getting Roy Oswalt. Those fans need to know the facts. 1. Cordero for Humber and a minor leaguer was an offer Omar made to the Nats. I've read fans blaming Omar for not making that deal, hello people that was Omar's offer how can you blame him for the Nats rejecting it. As for Oswalt he was never available so to blame Omar for not getting someone that wasn't available shows that they need to be more educated on the facts and also understand how the business side of the sport works.

It just really irritates me when fans complain about trades or non trades or payroll issues without knowing the facts.

Thanks for clarifying your position Christian, as I said earlier I live on this site and I always enjoy reading your comments. I wish we could have done the Haren deal. You're probably right about Oswalt never really being available, but it boggles my mind when I read how many people didnt wat to give up pelf and milz for either of them.

Well lets see if the Mets can build on this 2-0 lead!

I think the Mets need to do two things this offseason...get younger and get an old school manager. Willie Randolph has proven himself to be a Major League manager, and I'd wish him all the success in the world before firing him. We need a Joe Girardi as a manager. If we're to bring in Gomez and Milledge and all these new young players etc...we need a new manager who will light a fire under their asses, and make them work. I'd go after Girardi, I really like what he did with the Marlins last year. And Omar needs to get rid of Delgado and some of the other vets and bring in Millegde and Gomez to everyday roles

Mark - thank you for the kind words :o)

I don't have the link but you can prob do a search for it on FU. I know for a fact they wanted both Pelf and Humber at least. As for Oswalt, do you remember he signed an extension with the Stros after the failed three-way to bring him to the mets last year? I know, Omar didn't have the best offseason but seriously, regarding Haren, Billy Beane has said that he never spoke to Omar. Seriously! I am willing to believe him over a bunch of NY media people who have nothing better to do than spin yarns.

You do not give up high quality prospects for "rental" players. That's not the solution. THERE WAS NO ONE ON THE MARKET. Say you got Gagne or Cordero..what if they imploded (Gagne's not doing so well in Boston is he)? There's such a high demand for pitching that the teams want half the farm for so-so arms.

You're going to blame Willie for that?? Willie has to work with what he has. Yes, he's made some bonehead moves here and there, but if and when the Mets do win the division AGAIN, when was the last time that happened 2 years in a row?

Joe none of the guys mentioned were rental players. They are 26-27 year old guys signed thru 2011 at least if not longer.

Mark said "This is a business and should be treated as such. Players are commodites in this game. Teams like the Braves, A's, Angels, Bosox and Yankees learned that years ago. The rest of the teams just like to hupe their kids and play with the fan's heartstrings."

The Yankees, while their history speaks for themself have not one a title since 2000, the Braves, another great run of 14 post seasons in a row and one ring to show for it. The Red Sox - yeah one ring since 1918.....

So......I'm not sure how your argument pertains.

I am not 100% sold on Pelfry or Humber, but I am sold on Milledge and Gomez, they are the future, as is Wright and Reyes and those guys are certainly proving themselves.

As we sit here on Saturday, September 22, I think this is a futual arguement to say "Who is to blame".

This is the team that we've been in 1st place with since May 18, so now things are tough and we want to blame Omar, Willie et. al.

Bad baseball has been played by good baseball players of late, but thankfully the last two days seems like things are heading back to normal.

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I loved the post, but i thought a better title would've been 'Willie stay, Willie Go'.

Teams do not hype up their prospects. Prospects are graded by scouts all over baseball and by organizations like Baseball America. Prospects are graded by scouts from all over baseball not just the teams own scouts. To say that teams hype up their kids is not true and as I said before proves that those who make statements like that do not understand the scouting process.