Wright To Avoid DL, But Mets Will Play Shorthanded Until Friday

David Wright

Adam Rubin reports that the Mets will play shorthanded during their series against the Atlanta Braves while David Wright remains in New York getting treatment on his bruised left rotator cuff, according to what Terry Collins said on Monday afternoon.

Collins said there has been “zero” consideration to placing Wright on the disabled list and team doctors believe he will be healed by Friday.

“His exam went OK,” Collins said. “He’s not 100 percent. So we’re going to give him a few more days, where he’s going to meet us in New York on Friday and be ready to go then. I thought it was important for him to make sure when he comes back that we don’t have issues. The doctors have said, ‘Hey, look, he’s going to be great by Friday.’ So we’ll just get by until then.”

Strange move. If he’s going to be out that long put him on the DL, backdate it to June 27 and bring up a fresh body. The extra week of rest would only serve to help Wright and the team doesn’t have to play shorthanded for nearly a week.

June 28

Citing an anonymous source, third baseman David Wright has been prescribed rest and an anti-inflammatory drug for his sore left shoulder, according to Adam Rubin of ESPN New York.

After the game, assistant GM John Ricco confirmed that Wright was diagnosed with a bruised rotator cuff and that he would be rested for now and reevaluated on Monday.

It looks like he will avoid the DL, and that no serious issue was discovered.

June 28

David Wright is hoping he’ll miss just a few days after revealing that he’s had a sore left shoulder for three weeks which became “fairly painful” on Friday night.

The Mets won’t know his status until he undergoes an MRI today in New York, but the hope is that a cortisone shot and some rest will do the trick and that there’s no significant damage.

Surprisingly, manager Terry Collins said he was not aware until Friday that Wright’s shoulder had been bothering him even though the third baseman was spending significant time with the trainers and was being treated with anti-inflammatory medication.

“I absolutely salute him for coming in and saying something today,” said Collins.

Two days ago, the Mets demoted infielder Wilmer Flores, who may be on his way back if Wright were to end up on the disabled list.

If Wright avoids the DL the Mets say they’ll continue playing with six outfielders and just one infielder on the bench.

June 27 

The Mets announced that David Wright has been scratched from tonight’s lineup with a sore left shoulder. He is travelling to New York for an MRI tomorrow morning.

Wright had been playing through discomfort for 3 weeks and was in actual pain yesterday. He says he originally injured his shoulder in a head-first slide on a steal attempt at Citi Field.

It flared up twice yesterday, once tagging Ike Davis and then going to get Pedro Alvarez’s ground ball in the hole while covering shortstop in the shift.

He doesn’t know the full extent of the injury, but hopes it’s nothing serious and that he’ll miss just a few days.

Eric Campbell will play third base tonight and bat sixth.

I wonder why the Mets demoted Wilmer Flores and kept six outfielders if they knew Wright has been hurting for three weeks?

We’re keeping our fingers crossed for No. 5…

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  • metsfan79

    Thank god flores got sent down lol

  • pastline63

    So will TC put Murphy at 3rd, and let his EY play 2nd.

  • Rocky Thompson

    One word: Mattreynolds.

  • MyasDaddy

    Not good. Not good at all

  • Captain America

    Which shoulder

  • pastline63

    When a team is in a losing mindset every thing comes up dead roses.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Here we go!

  • KennyandtheMets

    Not good at all, but no surprise either.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Recall Flores and put him at 3B…Collins you idiot.

  • MyasDaddy

    If you idiots had an idea that Wright was hurting, why the hell didn’t you keep Flores? God this team is so freaking stupid!

  • Andrew Herbst

    I wish we could call up Reynolds.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Left

  • pastline63

    I wish we could call up someone and just let that player get true playing rime.

  • Metropolitan

    I wish we would have traded Wright

  • tidesrus

    Ed Coleman says Cambell is the man for now…..says Flores has not played third this year in Las Vegas……besides we already know Terry doesn’t like him

  • KennyandtheMets

    Flores should come back up. Wright should already be on the DL. Even with a clean MRI, he needs to take the two weeks to heal.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    Pull him from the All Star game now.

  • pastline63

    We don’t have time for developing players. Did somebody say that?

  • KennyandtheMets

    He doesn’t deserve to be there anyway.

  • Metropolitan

    Yeah Collins is an idiot but task what about Alderson is that not his job??

  • MetsfanInParadise

    “He doesn’t know the full extent of the injury, but hopes it’s nothing serious and that he’ll miss just a few days.” Of course he does. And of course it’s not.

  • Pablo Purchese

    guys tejada is batting second today, tda still 8th. WTF!!!!!!

  • Monix

    One word: eyebrows.

  • Piazza Delivery

    Well, see u guys next year

  • SRT

    Rubin reported a week ago that Wright was spending ‘much time’ in the trainers room. When asked about an injury, his only answer was ‘no’, if I remember correctly.
    More like he was crossing his fingers he didn’t have an injury, even though there was pain….

  • ASod75

    Thing is, he’s actually been hitting better over last 3 weeks than he was earlier in the season. Strange.

  • metsfan79

    Saving grace to all this is we have six outfielders four of which are useless. Also wjat kind of guy is hurt obviously affecting his play and keeps playing oh yeah a selfish self centered kind. Makes no sense at all david wright. Your not preforming so therefore your hurting yourself and your team way to go Cap

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Collins will slide Tejada over to third and re-sign Q…Brilliant 🙂

  • SRT

    Collins does not make roster changes, the FO does.

  • CJM

    Welcome back, Wilmer.

  • PessiMets

    Torn labrum out for the year, I can just see it

  • ASod75

    That extension never made a lot of sense to me, particularly since it was against what Alderson was supposedly about, signing players in their 30s to long term deals. I like Wright, but believe he should have been dealt to bring in more pieces and save money to (hopefully) spend elsewhere. Have a feeling the Wright contract will bog them down just like Johan’s did. Shouldn’t for a New York team, but the Wilpons aren’t New York worthy owners.

  • IndianaMet

    WWTD

    What would Terry do?

    What a joke he is.

  • BehindTheBag

    Because we’ve got to get Tejada going…or something. What can I tell you, Terry obviously has dementia.

  • Matlack

    I had it and required surgery years ago. let’s hope not, because if not corrected, it really saps the strength. Good news is if it is that, surgery and PT should make it good as new.

  • BigAl831

    Yeah the 1 year in his entire career. oh noooo!

  • ASod75

    Anything to not play Flores. Campbell has played 2 games in his career at short, yet he is backup SS now. Flores has played enough third last 2 years to be an option. Just doesn’t take enough pitches to fit ‘the philosophy.’

  • Rocky Thompson

    Wilmer cannot be brought up for 10 days, unless DW is put on the DL. I doubt DW goes on the DL for a least a couple of days (to see how he reacts to treatment). The problem is that the Mets have too many OFs and not enough infielders on the 25 man roster. IMO Bobby Abreu should be traded to an AL team and Matt Reynolds should be brought up. He was outstanding at AA and has continued hitting at AAA. He is also versatile enough to play SS, 2B and 3B.

  • ASod75

    If Wright goes down, might as well sell. I would anyway, but this would seal it.

  • jaypayton

    JustinTurner would look good at 3B with his 300 BA…oh wait sandy didnt want him..hows that 6 man OF with no backup IF working now? effing idiots

  • ASod75

    Terry will play Tim Teufel over him

  • SRT

    I believe that Wright extension was all Wilpon.

  • jaypayton

    i wish fred and jeff fall off a cliff

  • CJM

    I bet he goes on the DL immediately.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I’m not trying to dis Wright. Just stating a fact.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Turner is a journeyman nothing more. OK to start him if you are the Dodgers and have as much talent at other positions. If everyone was healthy he would be riding the pine

  • BigAl831

    Okay well you’re right.

    Although if he kept hitting he may have deserved it as a reserve. NL 3B is weak.

  • Brian Regan

    lol, you obviously have never played sports.

  • Thank you Rocky. I was wondering about that 10 day rule. I wanted to include it in the post but was uncertain about it and didn’t want to accidentally post inaccurate information.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    SRT was spot on….Wright had Jeffy written all over it. If Sandy had his way Reyes and Wright would have been dealt. Wilpons were all about attendance and thought Reyes winning a batting title would put fannies in the seats in September and make JP Morgan happy.
    Wright accepted a slightly below market deal to be the face of the franchise…Fred and Jeffy were trying to avoid Seaver Part 2. The mistake is that Wright has only a fraction of the talent Seaver had.

    The DW signing was a mistake…both DW and JR should have been traded.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Dumb and Dumber….if you needed to pick one of the knuckleheads to make a decision by default I would pick Sandy…

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Mets management makes Donald Sterling look brilliant by comparison

  • BurnInHellWilpons

    I wish we still had flores there to play 3b tonight…oh wait.

  • SL

    I am so angry at this. Once again, hearing Terry Collins for 2 weeks saying that he trusted Wright, and had spoken to him about resting. The absurdity of the way Collins handled last year’s hamstring injury would have been enough to get most managers fired, and this is simply another example.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    If you are 24…having any type of surgery when you are a 31 year old professional baseball player post steroid era is dicey.

  • SL

    It ended my career back in the early ’80’s and was never able to throw properly again.

  • SL

    Surgery NEVER makes torn cartilage “as good as new”. There is no replacement for cartilage, which is what the labrum is, the cartilagenous ring that holds your humerus in place.

  • Nolrog

    >>> I wonder why the Mets demoted Wilmer Flores and kept six outfielders if they knew Wright has been hurting for three weeks?That is one hell of a question.

  • Rocky Thompson

    No problem. I enjoy your work and am glad to hear you are doing better.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Wright will be canonized by the true believers despite his relative low OPS+ and mediocre year to date performance as a “warrior” who played with a bad shoulder.
    I can see the articles now 🙂

  • KennyandtheMets

    I think Arenado and McGee should be in there. Not that it really matters. The ASG is a joke. The fact that it effects home field in the WS is ludicrous.

  • LIKayLGM

    Hmmm just read the thread and comments, who made excuses? Jumping to conclusions again? This news must make you very happy.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    it sure is

  • Mets Fan in NC

    TFO….Collins TRIED to sit Wright and give him some rest. Wright bit his hand to the media and made it pretty obvious that if he didn’t play Wright would be less than willing to support him in the clubhouse. If DW has been aching for 3 weeks and wouldn’t ask for or take a day off that is ALL on David.
    DW has cash coming out his bum and is the face of the franchise and waits 3 weeks for an MRI….he cant be that much of a rube…he is not some guy that is the 24 or 25th man on the roster….see a doctor and get it checked
    All on David. He isn’t some 30 year old AAAA guy being afraid of being sent down

  • Mets Fan in NC

    DW kept this to himself for 3 weeks to play through it….he has done that before…likely no one knew.

  • metsfan79

    Hes nit on the 40 man roster. If dw goes on the dl flores will be back

  • I been trying to recall but is there anything that happened last night during the game that could of caused the discomfort to become pain?

  • We been pretty lucky with these MRI’s thus far this season but you have to wonder how much longer can our luck last.

    Fingers crossed for best case scenario tomorrow.

  • Nolrog

    Terry is the boss. He makes the line up. He rest David anytime he wants even if Wright doesn’t want a day off. We are going to see the same thing with Murphy before long, just watch.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Wright is actually one of the few guys that I believe is a better hitter with some fatigue…he is most effective driving the ball to right. When he tries to pull the ball he goes into a funk

  • Got my answer.

    “Wright said the pain in his shoulder worsened while making a pair of plays in the field on Thursday night against the Pirates.”
    http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-david-wright-will-undergo-mri-on-his-fairly-painful-left-shoulder-1.8595063

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Is 2019 next year.
    Signed
    Rip Van Winkle, a true Mets fan

  • Matlack

    The details are hazy due to time passed, but there was a reattachment of the cartilage, and yes, it wasn’t good as new, but restored functionality after much pain and subluxation in the shoulder. I formerly had relatively high velocity that never fully returned, but the reduced velocity was still adequate for recreational sports. of course, we’re talking a whole different level of competition here.

    The notion that is was injured on a slide and it’s his non-throwing shoulder would make me skeptical that it’s a torn labrum. I guess we’ll see what the MRI shows.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    They both have a golden parachute…Met fans get the lead balloon

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    And they said Jose Reyes was too injury prone to give a $100MM contract.

    Out of the last “4 seasons” David Wright has only been healthy in “1” of them. And that “1 healthy year” was a “CONTRACT YEAR”…

    We gave this guy $140MM to be THE corner stone of this team and he has been horrible and on top of that he cant stay healthy. This is an ALBATROSS contract.

    Cant pay these complementary players that much money especially when they are passed the age of 30…They dont have steroids to keep them on the field any longer.

    And we thought the days of giving out bad contracts were over when Minaya left….Guess not. This guy just topped Omar and gave out the biggest deal in team history to a regressing complementary player.

  • Matlack

    Did you pitch?

  • So it appears it was about 2 weeks ago and not 3 during a June 12 game at home against the Brewers.

  • Matlack

    True.

  • CJM

    Neither one was worth a long-term deal. It was a stupid contract. That being said, Alderson isn’t even in the same league as Omar when it comes to giving out bad contracts.

  • Connor O’Brien

    I wouldn’t say 1 out of 4 just yet. That’s a little premature don’t you think?

    And Reyes is much more injury prone than Wright.

  • Jane

    Oh nice reply! Wish I had thought of it!

  • Connor O’Brien

    I will give you the point that the contract is looking worse if Wright keeps up this lack of production.

  • LoL, should of known it would take a Wright injury to draw you out.

    How you been dude? Hope all is well.

    Try and take it easy on our captain ok he may be seriously injured. 🙂

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Matt Reynolds is a horrible player. I cant wait for him to get here so this over-hyping can come to an abrupt end.

    And no team in their right minds is trading for a 40yr old Bobby Abreu. Anyone couldve had him at any point at the beginning of the season when he was hitting all world but teams[except the garbage picking Mets] arent interested in 40yr old has beens, just ask Raul Ibanez and Manny Ramirez

  • Rocky Thompson

    Matt Reynolds is not on the 40 and if DW goes on the DL Flores will probably be brought up. But IMHO DW will not be put on the DL for a couple of days. They will want to see how he reacts to treatment. The Mets only have 39 players currently on the 40 man so there is a spot to include Reynolds on the 40. Also, if Abreu is trade for a low minors prospect it opens up another spot.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Kenny, There is no such thing as stating a fact about Wright if it isnt positive.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Really….Collins isn’t Tommy Lasorda or Larussa here. He needs Wright to support him in the clubhouse or he is gone like poop through a goose. Collins tried to sit him down. Wright knew he was aching and playing with shoulder discomfort. Wright’s PRIDE wouldn’t let him sit because he saw it as a performance based benching. Coaches and Managers don’t carry the power they used to have. Nobody benches the star anymore unless the coach or manager has more than one world title under their belt

  • Connor O’Brien

    They honestly couldn’t possibly have done a worse job with their roster the past few weeks…

  • depressed Mets fan

    Is Reyes really more injury prone, it seems like Mets fans give all of Wrights injuries an excuse while every Reyes injury proves he is injury prone even the fluke injuries like breaking his ankle on slide or the Mets horribly mismanaging him like they did in 09.

  • Oops apparently someone was still banned and was trying to circumvent it.

  • Nolrog

    Doesn’t matter. He’s still the manager.

  • SL

    Wright was pissed not at that, but at being double switched out the night before. And if Collins had told him “I know you’re playing hurt and we want to prevent a recurrence of last year” I doubt there would have been an issue.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    The same rule applies to Derek Jeter

  • Jane

    Sounds like he has been receiving treatment for a while now. 14 day DL here we come! Agree about Reynolds btw, the space is there on the 40 and you know Sandy will give away someone iin the next month….certainly wont be getting the ML bat we need!!! 🙁

  • SL

    RF. But there was no arthroscopy back then. It gave me dislocations syndrome, and the only fix was to attach your humerus to your pec to keep it in place. I chose to not do that which had the potential to make my arm unusable.

  • Jane

    They still don’t blood test, yes? Take the HGH David 🙂

  • Rocky Thompson

    Just because nobody wanted someone at the beginning of the season does not mean they do not want them now. If the were the case, then the Mets would not have been able to trade Marlon Byrd. Plus, I am not suggesting they trade him for Trout. I am suggesting they clear a roster spot.
    I am not sure how I am “over-hyping” Matt Reynolds by saying he should be brought up. He is not a player with a huge upside, BUT I do think he is major league ready, he is a gritty type player and he has the flexibility to play 2B, SS or 3B.
    Maybe I am reading too much into it, but it appears that you are rooting for Reynolds to fail. It would make you happier to see him fail, than to succeed.

  • Connor O’Brien
  • SL

    Despite what they claim, there is no test for Hgh. The one they are touting has a testing window of 24 hours from use, which is absurd, but worse, more than a 50% false negative reading.

  • Matlack

    Roger that. The suddenness has got to hurt. I saw from your posts that you were able to work in the game for along time, so good for you, man.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    “And Reyes is much more injury prone than Wright.”

    You sure about that???

    2011-2013(Most RECENT years)
    Reyes = 379 GAMES
    Wright = 370 GAMES

    Reyes has played MORE GAMES than Wright the past few seasons. Since Reyes contract year he has played MORE games.

    So how exactly is Reyes more injury prone?

  • SL

    Horrible player? How many times have you watched him play? I have no opinion of him except what I saw last night. He had a nice tight, compact swing, decent first step, limited range, and medium hands which is ridiculous to say based on the 5 innings I watched, which is why I have no real opinion of him. How about you?

  • Martin

    I have read similar articles that focused on russel martin, and if memory serves, tda is exceptional at framing.

  • I’d like to know who and when the term Pitch Framing was 1st uttered?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Exactly!

    P.S. Reyes has played more games and has been much more healthier than D.Wright the past 3seasons.

  • SL

    I believe they have room. Aren’t there only 39 on it now?
    They could also just bring Satin back.

  • Nolrog

    LOL. Ain’t that the truth.

  • SL

    Always nice when a beat reporter notices, but your manager doesn’t.

  • Connor O’Brien

    What about the past two seasons? or four seasons?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LMAO!!!

    You want to pick and choose years??? I used the Reyes contract year when he was due a a new contract. But you said Reyes was more injury prone than Wright…..

    PROVE IT! I PROVED you WRONG!

  • DKNOKOZ

    True, he would ride the pine, until they needed a reliable, clutch pinch hitter which Turner has always been. 385 with RISP this year. The fact that he would have a bigger role on our team underscores why we should never have let him go. Getting rid of Turner has always been a head-scratcher to me. Must have irritated Sandy, so off he went.

  • SL

    I think that was the residual of the early hamstring problems. I’d give anything to have Reyes back at short. Hs first three months in 2011 were as exciting baseball as I’ve ever seen. For a while I actually thought he was going to make a run at the hits record.

  • Connor O’Brien

    You are the one picking and choosing years, not me.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    You could be right….Wright clearly had a desire to not make the injury public. I get he didn’t want to make it appear as an excuse but 3 weeks is a long time to play with pain and discomfort and not get it checked….jeez. Syndergaard goes for an MRI if he sneezes

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Wright is as healthy as an OXE!

    Reyes is INJURY PRONE!

    2011-2013(Most RECENT years)

    Reyes = 379 GAMES
    Wright = 370 GAMES

    Ooops!!!! FACTS!!!!

    Those DAMN NUMBERS….. #SABR

    Reyes has played MORE GAMES than Wright the past few seasons. So how exactly is Reyes more injury prone?

    Since Reyes contract year he has played MORE games. We gave the wrong guy a $100MM extension.

    #DimplesArmy

  • Nolrog

    No. Campbell will play 3rd.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    He’s a shell of himself and he is injury prone….

    HOF??? no chance.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Mattingly almost got canned last year for dropping the hammer on Puig and other “stars” in the clubhouse.
    If Collins starts holding Wright accountable he wouldn’t last a week…If TC was Tony LaRussa he would get the benefit of the doubt

  • Nolrog

    Nah, we don’t need Flores. We could use help from denDekker though. Can never have too many outfielders.

  • depressed Mets fan

    Why do you give Wright a pass for injuries for Reyes’s prove he is injury prone ?

    For the record I think both are injury prone players and I’m not trying to start a Reyes vs Wright debate because I always believed keep them both or move them both.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Never let the truth get in the way of a good story….

  • Connor O’Brien

    Reyes (2003-now)
    2003- grade 2 ankle sprain, out for month (rest of season)
    2004- hamstring strain, out over three months
    2009- calf injury, out two weeks
    2009- while rehabbing calf, tears hamstring tendon, out for year, has surgery in October
    2010- thyroid (doesn’t count in my book), out ~2 weeks
    2010- right side injury (oblique?), out 10 days
    2010- oblique injury, out two weeks
    2011- hamstring, out three weeks
    2013- ankle sprain, out ten weeks
    2014- hamstring, out two weeks

    Wright (2004-now)
    2009- concussion, out two weeks (as with Reyes’ thyroid, I don’t count this)
    2011- fracture in back, out nine weeks
    2013- hamstring, out six weeks

  • Hotstreak

    Since you regressed (can’t cover it up forever) to your shallow real nasty self being critical who you think is Alex68 or Bayone; maybe you are correct.

    However get off your high horse King Tut and open up your avatar.

    Those who click on it won’t see his nasty comments

    “This user’s activity is private” with a picture of a lock..

    Maybe Mr. North Jersey will be censored or banned just like Alex68 and Bayone if he unlocked his avatar.

    I ask you in a nice way for a conversation on Reyes who you accused Joey D. of ducking you..But you think its ok to duck me just on that subject to defend your position I asked you where I went wrong and you had no answer.

    Good day. But I will give my input when warranted.

    In that way you can’t avoid my honest assessment of you..

  • Connor O’Brien

    I don’t give him a pass, I just don’t think two totally unrelated injuries (one of them a freak injury) within a span of three years deserves the term “injury prone.”

  • Connor O’Brien

    We’ll see. I know both of us hope that’s not the case.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Maybe…but here we pushed him to be a starter. Sometimes the reliable average player needs to go to allow for PT for the kids….unfortunately we have Terry and he didn’t get the memo

  • Connor O’Brien

    Reyes (2003-now)
    2003- grade 2 ankle sprain, out for month (rest of season)
    2004- hamstring strain, out over three months
    2009- calf injury, out two weeks
    2009- while rehabbing calf, tears hamstring tendon, out for year, has surgery in October
    2010- thyroid (doesn’t count in my book), out ~2 weeks
    2010- right side injury (oblique?), out 10 days
    2010- oblique injury, out two weeks
    2011- hamstring, out three weeks
    2013- ankle sprain, out ten weeks
    2014- hamstring, out two weeks

    Wright (2004-now)
    2009- concussion, out two weeks (as with Reyes’ thyroid, I don’t count this)
    2011- fracture in back, out nine weeks
    2013- hamstring, out six weeks

  • Mets Fan in NC

    A-Rod has already offered to shoot him in the bum….I assume it was HGH but ya never know

  • Connor O’Brien

    We can still see and moderate all comments, even if the user sets their account to ‘private.’

  • Mets Fan in NC

    The ultimate punishment should never be banishment rather being forced to attend every game

  • Really? I don’t mean describing or discussing what the definition itself is obviously but the actual term itself. I don’t recall ever hearing the phrase “pitch framing” uttered as much as in recent years.

  • Nolrog

    No no no. Fred thought it was a golden parachute, but it turned out to be a golden shower.

  • pastline63

    Good give soup some time.

  • Hotstreak

    Connor thank you for your input.

  • Nolrog

    Giving him a day off here and there isn’t dropping the hammer though.

  • Connor O’Brien

    If by last three years, you mean 2012-2014, then that’s false.

  • I appreciate you explaining that.

    For whatever reason somehow because people can’t stalk my history it means I am doing devious things.

  • Connor O’Brien

    Cool

  • Connor O’Brien

    This year is starting to sway me on the Wright deal. At the time, it was an under-market deal. I’m not against it yet, but if this lack of production continues another 6-12 months, I’ll be convinced.

  • Hotstreak

    It should be public. I am not stalking you. I tried to engage you in an intelligent dialogue. You accused Joey D. of avoiding responding and you do the same thing.

    You had no business IMO digging into Alex68 who is long gone. It’s like spitting on a grave.

  • Connor O’Brien

    JimmyBX…

  • ok, just don’t recall the term being used in MLB up until recently.

  • sperry

    And notice Reyes’ injuries were constantly from the source of his value. It’s not reasonably prudent to give expensive contracts to guys who rely on their legs, with a leg injury history, as they enter their 30s.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    What is it with this guy and his inability to admit that he’s hurt? The rugged individualist act wears a bit thin in light of the fact that he’s become a highly paid singles hitter. We already have enough of them…

  • CJM

    lol ok. Jason Bay, Luis Castillo, Ollie Perez, Johan Santana, Pedro Martinez. All bad contracts. We’re just lucky the Braves offered an even stupider deal for Derek Lowe. Omar was a freaking idiot with the contracts he gave out.

  • Hotstreak

    So trade him then. ST 2011 he was less than 30 then. Yes Met fans would have expected a lot and we would have got less but FMV.

  • Connor O’Brien

    Bay, Ollie, Santana, Martinez, Castillo were all successes, Jimmy?

  • Connor O’Brien

    Most professional athletes will do anything to stay on the field.

  • jason bay

    I would have kept Reyes but at the POINT that Reyes signed with the Marlins it is very easy to make that statement.

    Course it can be difficult to see into the future but the Mets didn’t pass on re-signing Jose because of injury concerns but because they gave his money to Bay.which brings us back to seeing into the future.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Agreed. Exhibition games should have no bearing on anything…

  • Connor O’Brien

    Besides Granderson and Wright, those contracts were all on much smaller scales than the mistakes I mentioned (and Granderson has not proven to be a mistake so far).

  • Connor O’Brien

    They aren’t equally bad if they are on different scales. The Angels making a $200 million mistake on Albert Pujols is much different than the Mets making a $6 million mistake on Mike Pelfrey.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Connor, not sure I agree in this day of guaranteed contracts. DW is a throwback for sure, but I think he’s compounded his recent injuries by not taking time off to mend until there was no other option…

  • mets4lyfe

    This is not a surprise to me at all. Wright’s always had a below-average arm at 3rd, but his arm has been BAD this year. Figured he had shoulder tendinitis or something.

  • Connor O’Brien

    I was going to respond with “he needs to think about the team first,” but he kind of already is, so I’ll put it this way: he needs to put the small injuries into perspective and realize they compound when you keep playing.

  • Hotstreak

    Duda came thru. I salute you CJM. Dig at PPPA by Gary Cohen.
    But Duda better keep it up because its always what have you done for me lately.

  • Kevin H

    He throws righty. It’s his left shoulder.

  • Hotstreak

    Will Murphy go on account of Wright?

  • Flatbush0460

    The ship be sinking! No worries, Tejada is so great he can cover the whole left side of the infield.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    This is a guy who played through what was classified as a broken back. I don’t dispute that he’s team-first and one tough SOB. My concern isn’t that he shrugs off small injuries, it’s that he shrugs off major injuries…

  • Hotstreak

    Framing on another article can mean a difference of 30-40 runs both negated runs and additional runs given up or up to +- 40..

  • Connor O’Brien

    In millions
    Castillo $25
    Ollie $36
    Santana $137.5
    Martinez $53
    Scheowenweis $10.8
    Mota $5
    Bay $66
    TOTAL: $333.3

    CY: $7.5
    Marcum: $6
    Pelfrey: $6
    Frank Frank: $12
    Rauch $3.5
    Ramirez $2.6
    Torres $2.7
    Buck amounted to $5
    TOTAL: $37.6

    Too early to tell on Wright + Granderson. Add them in, and Alderson is still $100 million behind.

  • jason bay

    With our owners?

    Yeah probably, I mean their running an 85 M payroll.

    Duda, Granderson, Niese, Gee, Tejada and Parnell if he’s back all go up.

  • Hotstreak

    I agree. It’s sad but true.

  • Connor O’Brien

    whoops forgot to add in CY. 45.1 million. Point still stands.

  • Hotstreak

    Forget PPPA by taking. You build up PPPA by swinging and hitting foul balls.

  • Connor O’Brien

    Yes because you judge everything when it is 10-20% complete…

  • Connor O’Brien

    Omar didn’t compete for the playoffs by the end of his tenure. Everything he did finally came back to bite. He used the Yankees strategy of patching up wounds with money, but then realized he doesn’t have unlimited cash like the Yankees do. That model ONLY works for the Yankees (and possibly the Dodgers now too…).

  • jason bay

    True.

  • Connor O’Brien

    Wright and Granderson both have a lot of time left. It is WAY too early to deem either a failure.

  • Connor O’Brien

    Don’t Ignore the Truth

  • Piazza Delivery

    Lmao

  • mets4lyfe

    explains his hitting then

  • Chicago Days

    Yes, it’s very odd the Mets demoted Flores with Wright impaired. Then again, as always, Alderson had an epiphany from the Baseball Gods to demote the best bat prospect we have and keep the roughly $3.5mm still sunk in the hulk of CY.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Seems he was struggling before the injury, and his “injury” has significant overlap with his recent hot streak.

    So, no causative relationship there.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I actually thought we should consider it.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Same here.

  • oltl

    Oh yeah.. team with such great medicals over the years are now blundering their way through this. Bay, Church, Reyes, I’m sure they can vouch for the met doctor types. More mismanagement keeps coming from all sources. This franchise screws up EVERYthing.

  • Out of place Met fan

    Got to believe Parnell is a non tender candidate at this point

  • The Mets FO deserve this! Demote Flores and then Wrights injury which he has had for three weeks starts to get worse. Ugh and they knew he was hurting smh this is just ridiculous! Another shinning example of what is wrong with this organization! Someone please buy out beloved Mets and save us!

  • ed charles

    So, not his fault, but Soup nearly cost us a game twice on the first night he was asked to man third, while our top hitting prospect was sent down the night before — with an overloaded bench of OFs, and a preposterous reliance on Tejada as our only SS — with get this — DW as the presumed back up, he of the sore shoulder. If this FO was a prize fight it would have been stopped long ago: defenseless fighter.

  • Snuffleupagus

    Well Reyes has been just as awful as Wright this year. And wasn’t nearly as good as Wright the prior 2 years. And he’s been injured in 5 of the last 6 years.. I thought the Mets should’ve kept Jose, but I guess you’ve convinced me they made the right decision in letting him walk.

  • Scoollink

    Ut-Oh! There goes our chance foor a. 500 season

  • 🙂 Thanks for sharing. I mentioned to D.i.t.t. that for whatever reason I just don’t recall hearing that phrase uttered until recently. It seems ever since we got d’Arnaud this is a phrase I been hearing so much more than I can ever recall.

    I am now seeing articles on this people saying it etc. where just 10 years ago it was like crickets.

    On another more personal topic. I’m glad to see you back here on MMO. I read where you mentioned having your return home delayed and am sorry to hear that. I know we don’t necessarily agree on a number of things Mets related but I do enjoy your enthusiasm for the team and the minors. Hopefully this team can still somehow turn things around though I admit it’s looks bleaker and bleaker with every passing day.
    You take care of yourself. though by the sounds of it you seem to be doing well enough to be chasing the ladies down there. 🙂
    Stay strong.

  • Hotstreak

    Interesting observation.

  • Hotstreak

    Santana was not a mistake, it was an injury.
    Pedro was not a mistake it was a game changer from the symbol of Art Howe (end of Phillips and Duquette interim era)

    DW was a MISTAKE BIG TIME .wrong for rebuilding
    Grandy is wrong for CitiField,

  • Hotstreak

    Omar rejected Derek Lowe.

  • Hotstreak

    Why did he do that. He has an obligation to tell his employer who has an investment in him thru his contract.

  • ASod75

    Should have dealt both in my opinion.

  • ASod75

    Should have dealt both and undergone a complete rebuild, a la the Astros.

  • calamityfrancis

    don’t feed the troll people

  • Destry

    Yet you left out the current year

  • Destry

    My shoulder used to pop out of place in my sleep after my pitching days were over. Rotator Cuff tears and labrum tears are never good as new.

  • Destry

    Ive always backed Wright, but this is a very selfish and very stupid action on his part. Although TC should not be completely off the hook. He sits in the dugout and watches every freaking game. How could he have no idea for 3 weeks? Maybe he really does fall asleep during the games.

  • Destry

    Exactly. How the hell could a manager not notice his star player was injured for 3 weeks. What is it that he does during the games again?

  • How come Terry Collins never knows that any of his players is playing with discomfort or pain? This is like the second time this season and third or fourth in the past few seasons. TC has lost the trust of his players completely. He is so clueless as to what’s going on right in front of him.

    Terry needs a vacation.

  • Martin

    If they were batting Flores every day at short he could slide over and let tejada play ss no problem, instead of carrying 900 left fielders.

  • mad met

    Thats 900 bad left fielders

  • mad met

    Could have just stopped at collins is unaware

  • Nolrog

    >>>> Surprisingly, manager Terry Collins said he was not aware until Friday that Wright’s shoulder had been bothering him even though the third baseman was spending significant time with the trainers and was being treated with anti-inflammatory medication.I would have figured the trainers gave Collins a report every day on who was there and for what reason. If I was the manager, I would want to know.

  • Tlagee

    News Alert!
    Everything that goes wrong with the Mets is not Terry Collins fault.

    What I see happening here is that for the fourth straight season, Sandy Alderson and Fred Wilpon have put a crap team on the field and it is always Terry Collins fault.

    Pay attention to what is really going on here. Why do you think Sandy has Terry managing in the first place? So you fans can concentrate your anger on the manager, as if he was the one who low balled the budget or gutted the team or brought in the likes of over the hill relief pitchers to save money.

    Terry, like him or not, is playing the hand dealt to him.

    Man, get angry – but please get angry at the right people. Don’t be distracted.

  • Benny

    When is Terry Collins ever aware of anything? Dude is asleep at the wheel, much like his boss Sandy Alderson.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Couple of possible scenarios:TC knows about the sore shoulder but says he didn’t to infer that Wright is masking an injury, or DW colluded with the trainers to keep it a secret. That said, you’d think the manager would know his way around the training room, so like most things Mets, it makes no sense…

  • This is sad. Before the season, I thought that if everything broke right, we’d be a .500 team. It’s breaking bad and even Walter White can’t save us. We are what Richie builds, a 74 win team. If Wright is out for a significant time…that top 5 pick is locked up and the forever rebuild continues. I just hope it does with a front office that actually knows how to win in today’s game.

  • Wolfmicky21

    This is the time of year when DW misses 45 games

  • Chicago Days

    Seriously: does anyone have a good guess why we’re going with 6 OFers? Unless a trade is imminent, this impacts the flexibility of our bench, duh!
    What is going on with the ‘command structure’?!!
    A trade has got to be brewing. How could this be otherwise?

  • 94SupraTT

    Brilliant.

  • Peter S

    Thank god for the World Cup this year to bridge my summer to football. Giants preseason begins in a few weeks. Then enough of this crap.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I’m not surprised TC wasn’t aware of an injury.

  • As an Alderson supporter turned neutralist, I have no frigging clue.

  • ill_egl

    Collins had no idea? Im shocked…. i mean theres never been a serious sense of disconnect between tc and his players.

  • Cichlids & Vino

    As an Alderson supporter turned detractor, I feel ya.

  • Chicago Days

    Admission: I, too, was once an Alderson supporter. I’m now ‘neutral’ but fast turning negative.
    Absent the botched Ike Davis issue, the failure to get more bats in the offseason (Abreu!!!), the inability to deal with the SS issue, he’s allowed Flores, our best or at least closest bat to MLB, to be victimized by Collins all year.
    And Collins again lat night continues to use an army out of the BP.
    He’s blowing their arms up!

  • Cichlids & Vino

    OR, Wright has had enough of TCs lunacy and is beginning to rebel

  • metsfan79

    Pedro changed the culture here. He wasn’t a mistake at all. Please ,needed to over pay but it opened the door for others to want to play here see delgado amd beltran. No free agents want to play fot the mets.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    -Terrible Owners
    -Terrible General Manager
    -Terrible Front Office
    -Terrible Team Manager
    -Terrible Coaches
    -Terrible Team Captain

    Which equals NO LEADERSHIP!!!

  • keefherny17

    TC is still a dolt and has no idea what’s going on. Granted he has zero talent to work with, but he’s still a bad manager.

  • Cichlids & Vino

    Agee,

    You’re missing the point! The anger isn’t at TC’s incompetence it is at the FACT that DW has been getting treatment and medication for some time and TC had no clue. That sounds to me like he’s losing the club or at least has no allies. I have to believe that the trainer or some coach had to have seen this and reported it to TC even if Wright didn’t want to tell him. The anger here is specific to this situation and the fans are right in being upset with Terry. As far as the overall team, performance, lack of moves, and budget, you’re 100% correct.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Yeah….youre still an Alderson supporter, youre not fooling anyone.

    I remember when you once stated if things dont turn around this year you’d be all over Sandy. That hasnt happened.

    No need to hide the fact youre a #SandyLover 😉 lol

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Spot on Chago.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    You are right in part. Alderson is the main antagonist in this script…BUT Terry Collins is his main henchman. Terry is also a HUGE part of the problem he makes just as much bad decisions as Alderson. Collins is a flat out horrible manager his history only highlights this fact. There is no victim among them. But there is a chain of command. You go after the Field General(Collins) then you go after the big dog(Alderson).

    I wont even get into the ownership issue, they are the worst. Although Im NOT going to blame them for this current team. Sandy ha complete AUTONOMY of player personnel and he was given money to upgrade the team.

    -Wright = $140MM
    -Grandy = $60MM
    -Colon = $20MM
    -CY = $7.25M

    And lets not forget that Alderson offered:

    -Balfour = $14MM(which he turned down)
    -Drew = $10MM(which he turned down)

    Sandy didnt reallocate that money elsewhere…instead he chose to go into the season half-cocked. He didnt make ANY trades to improve the team. He did NOTHING although he knew he had multiple “GLARING HOLES”.

  • Dr. Jonathan Reefer

    This team is a mess, and needs to be blown up. Fire everyone and trade anyone over 28 who has value, then cut the rest also cut Tejada.

    Also Flores played 3rd base last night, right after TC claimed he’d split reps at SS and 2nd. Wrights injury might be worst then they are letting on.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    #SandyLovers are all of a sudden claiming NEUTRALITY!

    LoL…Please, there is no Gray area….

    Its been about “4years” with him runningruining the team[further.] You either believe he has done a HORRIBLE job or that he has done a good to great job in which case you are a insane and a #SandyLover by default.

    Worst GM and Manager in Mets history….Alderson and Collins

  • Dr. Jonathan Reefer

    Traded or let all their talent walk and we have 10ish good games by wheeler for the price of it all.

    Only people to perform = Omar’s kids.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    If this guy PLAYED with a sore left should for THREE weeks and kept it quiet it is much worse than you can imagine. What is the first thing a doctor tells you when you let him know about pain in your joints. Yes he may prescribe treatment but the first words out of his or her mouth is “REST.” Very very poor judgement on his part.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    It’s actually par for DW. Remember the broken back? Either he has a super human pain threshold, or there’s something seriously wrong in matters not physical. Pain is your body’s way of saying stop…

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Maybe for the nickel and dime packages…:)

  • Captain who many refer to as “soft” tries to play through significant pain for weeks. idiots who call him “soft”, furious. Film at 11.

  • I am an Alderson supporter but only because he hasn’t done a terrible job given the resources he has available. It’s not a personal thing that makes me like him, unlike the illogical hatred you feel for him.

    #SandyHatersActuallyExistSandyLoversDoNot

  • seriously. One year in a row

  • Jgreen

    Please don’t get hurt..

  • BarnRat

    When DW’s shoulder issue was first reported, I immediately assumed it was his right shoulder and that it helped explain all the short-hops to 1st the last month. Guess not

  • Curtis Granderson and Bartolo Colon. “Omar’s kids”

  • Out of place Met fan

    I really think Richie’s post Mets resume was written before he took the job.

  • Grandy, Wright and Colon bashing is so 2 months ago. Better find something else. CY bashing is still en vogue but you loved that signing

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Wright being selfish again, and for another year being a detriment to his team.

    Injury prone Wright. And we owe him $140MM til the year 2020.

    Albatross deal.

  • George_Theodore

    yeah, me too

  • George_Theodore

    TC on top of things as usual! Give Wright 15 days of rest & let Wilmer play every day & see if he can hit.

  • Chris H

    A permanent vacation

  • Snuffleupagus

    I’d guess that it was a combo of factors. Kirk did pretty well in his limited role since being called back up (4 for 8…done a nice job PHing on the year)..so maybe they wanted to keep him around a bit. Flores has been pretty bad in his limited role (and maybe they figure since he is still pretty young he’s better off playing more regularly in AAA). And/or maybe Adam Rubin’s report about CY was correct…and CY was pretty close to being released (and then went on to hit the 3 HR om 2 days which might’ve saved himself).

    I don’t think they planned to have the roster like this long term…they probably were going to make a decision on the OF soon…maybe just wanted to give Kirk and CY a bit more time.

    Though now I would think they need to do something Even if Wright is ok enough to avoid the DL…he still has some type of injury to his shoulder…so it probably wouldn’t be wise to run him out there for every inning every day. Though I guess they could use Campbell and EYJ as backup infielders in that case

  • Snuffleupagus

    He was an elite level player the last 2 years. And back in the Shea years. And even in his “down years” in 2009-2010 he was still a very good hitter. If Wright was just a “complimentary player” then we certainly haven’t had any “difference makers” on the team in a long, long time. If Wright doesn’t qualify as one our prior other “stars” – Delgado, Reyes, Beltran – aren’t ones either.

    I do agree that the injury issues are a concern and Wright hasnt been particularly good this year. But shooting down his recent years is just silly.

  • Hey Chago – you don’t know anything about me so don’t presume to.
    Legitimate criticism of anyone is ok in my book but when you say a guy is making a habit of getting hurt when he played a full season just the year before last, I’m gonna call you out on it.
    The fact that you’re still complaining about the Granderson signing is just further evidence that you don’t care about being correct, you just care about being negative. As usual.

  • Chicago Days

    Good thoughts. But the team’s structure is unbalanced. The bench has to be reshuffled soon.

  • it’s absurd and it happens all the time.

    them: “Oh, The Craptain hasn’t been good since 2008. LOL. Bad few weeks he’s on the decline. Albatross deal”
    Everyone else:: “Uhh… you’re an idiot”
    them: “OMG David Wright lover!”

  • Snuffleupagus

    I agree that Wright’s injuries are a concern.

    But that’s not exactly a particularly great example. Reyes had been considered “more injury prone” b/c the world didn’t start in 2011. You cherry pick out the sample of games where Wright had the most injury filled stretch of his career…a time period where his injuries have gotten a quite a lot of attention and one that stands out in his career. Reyes’ 2011-2013 doesn’t stand out as abnormal (he actually played more games from ’11-13 than he did from 08-10)… so basically typical Reyes = injury prone Wright in terms of games played.

    And technically as of now…since Reyes’ contract year (a very convenient time to start counting) Wright has played 449 games to Reyes’ 444 (though now Wright will likely miss some more games). Since Reyes left it’s 347 for Wright and 318 for Reyes. (though I expect Wright to miss quite some time now).

    I thought the Mets should’ve signed both Reyes and Wright (and I believe they could’ve…Colon/CY money now could’ve gone to Reyes). But if your argument is that they shouldn’t have signed Wright b/c he’s hurt a lot…that would also indicate they should not have signed Reyes either. He’s been just as mediocre as Wright this year…and nowhere near as productive as Wright has been the prior 2 years. And he’s still constantly getting hurt.

  • CJM
  • Carlton Krinkle

    What the hell? When did this happen??? Who’s gonna lead this bunch of guys if the captain is off getting medical procedures done on him?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    ILLOGICAL???

    2011 – 77W – 85L (.475)
    2012 – 74W – 88L (.457)
    2013 – 74W – 88L (.457)
    2014 – 36W – 44L (.450)

    Do you still not see the LOGIC!

    And spare me the he wasnt given enough resources crap. He was lauded when he was signed because he was said to be able to be better than Omar because he could, “Do MORE with little” Remember MONEYBALL with MONEY???

    Thats all I’ll say on the subject, enjoy your day.

  • Joanie Yan

    More dysfunctionality (if that’s a word) in the organization. Shouldn’t Wilmer be here ASAP regardless of what happens with the MRI? I mean best case scenario Wright misses a few days in which case Campbell plays third and there is no backup infielder. Worst case scenario Wright is DL ed. Either way get Flores here and send down Nieuwenheis who basically sits on the bench anyway.

  • can’t promote someone within 10 days of a demotion unless you’re DLing someone

  • no, I don’t see the logic. 4 years of losing, 4 years of shrinking payroll and hands tying. I think he is going about it the only way he can, by building the farm and who honestly believes that a team will turn a 180 in 4 years going that route?

  • the fact that you’re dying means you should not be wasting your time inventing reasons to dislike a bad team on the internet 😉

  • Joanie Yan

    If that’s the case, the decision is even more ridiculous than I thought. I guess that means they have to play shorthanded tonight and make a DL decision ASAP.

  • Dr. Jonathan Reefer

    Lol yes pick 2 players just signed this year to make your case. When I was obviously talking about past players and the returns from the trades of those players.

    None of his prospect have done anythin yet. Black stinks, TDA stinks so far, wheeler is up and down. Thor looks bad in AAA. None of the others are past AA ball.

    Sandy sucks bro, face it.

  • Destry

    This just in, Collins also unaware how to manage a baseball team.

  • Destry

    The two worst hitting teams in baseball were assembled by Sandy Alderson and his staff. The San Diego Padres, and The New York Mets.

  • Destry

    YOu know what? I have supported Sandy, but he hasn’t produced one damn player worth a crap from this incredible farm system that he is building. Not one.

  • jaygreen55

    He’s actually done much better than Frank Cashen who was 207-344 over his first 4 years (.409 winning percentage) and had a lot more busts in his drafting than Sandy has had over the same period

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Lol tc didnt know! Shocker

  • SRT

    TC didn’t know about Wright’s shoulder before he came to the park yesterday?

    Nope, not buying it.

  • Mike Lloyd

    Two of the worst teams in baseball were assembled by Sandy Alderson and his staff. San Diego and the Mets. Fixed it for you Destry!

  • I am still holding to that BBLB. Ng Davis and Ruben to start the season was unacceptable. However the season and this offseason will finish it for me.
    Remember I supported Omar longer than most and when I turn it is epic and I believe justified!.

  • weren’t you talking about this year? I picked the 2 big signings he made prior to this season. Black stinks? He’s got a 1.76 ERA and 18 Ks in 15 innings. TDA has been rough but no one was questioning that move at the time. Or the Wheeler move.
    I don’t have to “face” anything. You can’t judge how Wheeler or Thor will be at this point in their careers. You’ll have to face the fact that as much as you want to jump on the Sandy bashing bandwagon for the prospects he’s traded for, you’re gonna have to wait

  • Black has been solid. SA’s first draft was 2011 and he focused on high upside high schoolers with the early picks in his first few drafts. When do you expect them to be in the majors? Sandy sucks because he didn’t get a Mike Trout or Bryce Harper who blaze into the majors while still teenagers? Please.

  • Mikey

    The only thing Collins knows is what Sandy has told him in the daily Memo!
    Which also has tonight’s Lineup attached!

  • ASod75

    Black lost game last night, but he doesn’t stink. Great arm, just needs to harnass his command. Walks haven’t hurt a lot because he gets Ks and doesn’t allow a ton of hits.

  • Flatbush0460

    At best this is a blatant failure of communication. It’s the managers job to know who’s hurting, how much, and where. If Collins had the trust of his players, the information he received could have saved this issue from getting much worse.

  • Dr. Jonathan Reefer

    wait? im sick of waiting, they havent made the playoffs in 8 years. It’s almost a full decade. i’ve waited to 2014 just like sandy said, and the team still sucks. I want this team to win, not lose. If you are ok with losing, fine, i am not. Sandy has sucked, period.

  • SL

    Like the back, and the hammy, just incredible that TC is “unaware”. Does he ever talk to the training staff?

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Terry Collins is like Drew Barrymore in 50 First Dates…he forgets everything he hears the previous day and starts over with a blank slate and no recollection of events the next morning

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Alderson is too conservative for where this franchise is now.
    We will be poor to mediocre for the following reasons:
    1. Front Office and Ownership refuse to invest in high upside talent that we have to pay going market rate or compete with another team for the signing or take on salary for young cost controlled talent.
    2. Front Office is AFRAID to make a blockbuster trade for major league talent if it means giving up any young pitching
    3. Sandy needs to WIN every deal to even consider making a trade
    4. We have poor on field leadership and invest in players for political reasons and how the fans would react (Wright) or do not trade players they should out of fear of backlash (Reyes)
    5. Front Office is too cerebral and waits too long to make player personnel decisions…by the time we are ready to sell the player is already exposed and there are fewer buyers
    6. Underperforming players play while potentially superior younger players sit at AAA or on the bench
    7. Alderson would rather continue to build the farm than the ML roster

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Ya only know what ya know….Collins said it point blank. Wright never told him. Havent heard Wright say Collins is full of it yet. If Collins is lying he should go. If DW withheld a serious injury he should be fined..

  • Mets Fan in NC

    and that is the reason we shouldn’t have signed him without being willing to sign a real cleanup hitter to be a difference maker.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Terry Collins is Mr. Magoo

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Colon has been worth every penny of salary….although the clubhouse buffet is taking a pounding

  • SinHalo27
  • SinHalo27

    Caveat: did misstep…meant to say “Tejada *wouldn’t* be starting…”

  • SCalNTMetfan

    d’Arnaud goes 3 for 4 and he sits…Don’t want to have a anyone to get to cocky I guess

  • They screwed themselves on the Ike return? A serviceable reliever and a high upside 2nd round pick for a guy with one good season in his career?

  • ASod75

    Thought the same thing. If Rubin observed Wright was in training room, shouldn’t Collins have known something was up? Is he really that clueless? I think we know the answer…..

  • Another MRI where the Mets avoid worst case scenario news. Hopefully this doesn’t linger and the Captain is back on the field a.s.a.p.

  • SRT

    This ^

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Put him on the DL for 2 weeks and let Flores play. I’d rather see Wright miss a few too many games than too few.

  • mets4lyfe

    yeah, “bruise”. Gotcha’ Metsies.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Day game after an extra-inning night game. He is a catcher. Standard move.

  • Metfan9876

    I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but Granderson has played well since the end of April

  • KennyandtheMets

    I hope DW is ok, but it was interesting to see a 3B who can throw the ball all the way to 1B on a fly.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I agree with putting Wright on the DL. I’d like to see Flores playing every day too, but where does that leave Campbell? He is playing very well.

  • Snuffleupagus

    Well I don’t think either of those things is going to happen. Collins seemed to be pleased Wright said something when he did and didnt wait longer (apparently only waiting 2 weeks to say something passes for a good thing).

    And as for TC not knowing sooner…Ojeda was saying yesterday on the postgame that it’s not unusual for a manager not to know about all the various nicks players are getting treatment for. He said there are always a bunch of players getting treatment for something…and the manager/trainer would be there all day if they had to talk about everything. Though IMO given it’s Wright who is a crucial player to the team and who is known for playing when he shouldn’t..they probably should’ve told TC sooner. (Though he still probably would’ve trusted Wright’s opinion that he could play)

  • sperry

    Ricco says at this point there’s no need to call up another infielder. I mean, even if Wright is fine, you should probably call one up anyway dude.

  • Snuffleupagus

    Yeah that would probably be the smart move at this point. And even if Wright is back playing Monday, it probably would be wise to give him some more days off than he is used to getting.

    Though Kirk has been playing well of late and CY might’ve saved himself with the recent HRs – so they might not be sure who to drop. Though they can’t bring Flores up unless someone is DLed…so we might end up stuck with someone like Q.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Let Soup play 3rd until DW comes back.

  • mets4lyfe

    >Player X’s MRI reveals 3 herniated disks and lumbar spinal stenosis
    > Mets say, “well, it’s just a sore back. Nothing to really get worried about. Player X will just have to ice it and rest it for a while and he’ll be good to go in 3 days.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Just where he’s been. Bench, PH, double-switches, an occasional start in LF or 1B against LHP

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Soup has been very valuable off the bench and platooning at 3B

  • sperry

    If there’s any team that makes playing guys out of position an art form, it’s the Mets

  • Tired_OF_FakeRumors

    I think Wright needs to follow Zimmerman path and move to another position. Hes got the talent to do it.

  • Mcgrupp81

    I’ve never seen Kershaw’s name spelled that way. In seriousness, that’s nice to see. I’d like to get some more info on what he’s been up to this season outside the box score stats. What is he usually hitting on the gun. What needs work at this point? The one thing that I like is that I’ve never read a report where they’ve said that he projects as a reliever.

  • SinHalo27

    Couldn’t possibly wait any longer or pull the trigger to get any less. Serviceable reliever? Thornton has had mixed results at best (2nd highest WHIP of his career thus far) and with how RH heavy the pen is- doesn’t have much of a chance this year or next of making the team let alone sticking long term. Not saying it won’t happen, but with several ahead of him to start (Mejia, Familia, Torres, Germen, Black, Parnell next year plus 1 or 2 LHPs) his outlook isn’t bright. Taylor? A lottery ticket at best for the foreseeable future- check back in 4 years or so.

  • Piazza Delivery

    I’m surprised that jackass SA hasn’t brainwashed him into milking it the rest of the season to allow the organization more time to waste lining their pockets

  • One of the many problems with this is that no Mets fan should trust Mets medical personnel. Good news?? they’ve got to be right, once, right??

  • KennyandtheMets

    Ok. I guess. Cambell is a few years older than Flores. The thing is, some players develop later. Personally, I’m ok with Campbell getting his shot. In the interest of winning games, and having players earn their playing time, I wouldn’t object to Campbell being the every day 3B. Flores is still young, and wouldn’t be harmed by playing every day in AAA.

  • Out of place Met fan

    its a misdiagnosed achilles injury

  • Mikey

    yeah the last time they looked at a guy’s shoulder they concluded he was just Lazy and Out of shape….
    I think his name was Santana!

  • Andrew Herbst

    Yeah he has. He’s hit when he’s played.

  • Six outfielders? Does that not make sense to anyone? How do you have only one spare infielder?

  • This upcoming offseason after another 90 loss season Flores will be asked to go to winter leagues and learn to play leftfield. He will come to spring training showing he can play the position hit a ton and be demoted and asked to play SS in triple A..lol

  • Arjun Vidudala

    The Alderson/TC/Wilpon conundrum.

  • Arjun Vidudala

    The infamous Duder experiment >.>

  • Arjun Vidudala

    *sighs* I miss the 2006-2008 teams, they mightve not gotten to the postseason every year and all but we had players worth rooting for

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    yes hes clueless

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I got that same memo in 1994

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    TC is our leader! god help us

  • Dark HelMet

    Please please please go like another team.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    Exactly what I said on my post yesterday. The first thing a doctor tells you about joint problems is to rest. He played for three weeks with this condition. It is more serious than this report says and he will go to the DL.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Go F.Y.S.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LEFT FIELD

    Like Zimmerman and Chipper Jones before him… both guys made the move for the betterment of the team. Wright is a different kind of guy. He is a really selfish player he wouldnt do it because he’d feel disrespected.

    Only way he’d do it is if it was a public outcry due to his poor defense.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    No Metsie….I think the last time was SHAUN MARCUM!!!

    lol…they actually paid that bum all that money when noone would touch him smh….then after bing out for a month or so they concluded he was healthy as a bird, when in fact his shoulder/arm was hanging by a string and he was pitching BP everygame.

    Thanks Sandy

  • LIKayLGM

    Oh yes, Wright has shown so many signs of being completely selfish. That is well documented right?

    Chipper Jones played OF early in his career, not later in his career.

    You pitch about his throwing arm, so you want to now move him to the outfield?

  • Mikey

    Oh yeah I forgot about him….
    There have been so many like him over the last 4 years it’s hard to keep track of all of them! LOL

  • Charley’s Twin

    This is a good time to point out that the WIlpons are so hood-rich and have burned so many bridges we are stuck with a AAA affiliate all the way across the country.

  • Monix

    Zimmerman is starting at 3b tonight geniuses.

  • Monix

    Dude, we need a much better hitter in LF next season than Flores.

  • Ron T

    I want to see more of Soup anyway. Give Wright as long as he needs.

  • ASod75

    Just don’t get why they just don’t DL him and backdate it. We’re basically talking about four or five games when it comes down to it. And if rest is the best prescription for his injury, the extra time would help. Wouldn’t have as much of a problem if the roster construction made any sense, but it doesn’t. Wish they’d just DFA CY and bring up another infielder.

  • Monix

    I find it absolutely hilarious that you call Wright injury prone and his deal an albatross but yet you were also on here saying you’d trade Wheeler to the Dodgers for Kemp in a heartbeat and pick up Kemp’s remaining $110M contract, despite being much more injured than Wright.
    Great logic!

  • ASod75

    Zimmerman will be their 1B next year, I believe.

  • Yup. This is either ridiculously selfish by David or incredible mismanagement by the “brain trust”. Wait we’re the Mets. My guess is that it’s both.

  • BCleveland3381

    Playing short handed isn’t a huge problem. If David can be back and healthy by Friday, then playing with 24 guys isn’t the end of the world. But playing with no backup infielders and 6 OFs is asinine and the epitome of everything that is wrong with this franchise.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Joe D. you are spot on. I said the same thing on a different thread. He should go on the DL and get the extra week’s rest. The team is SO mismanaged!!

  • NewYorkMammoths

    That’s OK. I half expected them to call up more outfielders.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    This is where I don’t get Sandy. When Terry starts flaming the pen he likes to double-switch. Now we’re a step closer to no bodies left anywhere if we hit extras. For the whole week.

  • Monix

    Why would you needlessly put your best player on the shelf for an extra week? No one does that.

  • Snuffleupagus

    Sitting the extra week might be a good thing for Wright to really make sure he is ok. The last thing they need is for him to come back and hurt himself worse, or have this injury continue to linger. But I don’t think playing “shorthanded” for 3 more days is really that big of a deal.

    It’s one series…3 games. When they had the extra backup infielders on the roster, they were barely used anyway (which is part of why they were sent down). So whatever scrub they’d call up..might just be stuck to the bench for 3 days anyway. Murph, Duda, Campbell and Tejada are certainly capable of playing 3 more games in a row.. And if someone gets hurt, they can always put EYJ at 2nd and make a roster move then if need be.

  • 94SupraTT

    You were saying?

  • jocThomas2

    Wait we haven’t played shorthanded all year you could’ve fooled me.

  • fedupfan13

    This saves the Mets the salary of the replacement player for David if he were on the DL. Before people criticize me…is it really that crazy? Sandys plan!

  • Charley’s Twin

    I believe it

  • fedupfan13

    I know you would…lol. Great minds

  • jocThomas2

    All star voting is a joke, Matt Weiters leading vote getter for AL catchers a guy who hasn’t played in 2 months and won’t for the rest of the year.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Because we don’t think he’ll magically be 100% in four days.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Cougar Life is at it again.

  • Fast Eddie

    Seriously, did Terry not notice how many of Wright’s throws to first base had to be dug out of the dirt by Duda and Campbell over the past few weeks? It was very obvious to me, watching on TV, that David’s arm was ailing. Somehow this persistent problem escaped the keen-eyed Collins. Does Terry take naps during the games?

    Veloz

  • Dale_Duro

    uh no champ.

    Reyes as a leadoff guy has as many HR as our #3 hitter…

    and would be 2nd in SB…2nd in Runs..1st in triples…

    Best case scenario – Keep Reyes + Wright

    2nd best case scenario – Keep Reyes + trade Wright

    3rd best – Trade Reyes + Wright

    4th – Let Reyes walk + Keep Wright

    Worst – Let Reyes + Wright walk…

  • Dale_Duro

    So Wright is starting to break down..

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    It’s the other shoulder, Eddie.

  • Connor O’Brien

    2 injuries isn’t enough to make that conclusion, especially when they are totally unrelated, two years apart, and during his prime.

  • sperry

    Until FRIDAY? That is absurd, even for this team.

  • Snuffleupagus

    Reyes has a 100 OPS+ this year = not good. He’s a leadoff hitter on a stacked team, but only has mustered a .321 OBP….no bueno. Reyes is usually a pretty good player, but this has been a down year for him. Both Reyes and Wright are having poor years relative to their standards.

    And Wright was also much much better than Reyes the previous 2 years so at this stage the Mets have kept the right guy (if they could only keep one..which I still don’t buy) they kept the correct one. If Wright continues to get injured and perform like he has this year and Reyes gets back to being good that might change down the road… but so far since they let Reyes go, Wright has been the better player.

  • Snuffleupagus

    Wright throws with his right arm. It’s his left shoulder that is hurting right now. Though maybe they should’ve MRIed the right one while they were in there.

  • metsfan79

    Way to be captian. Damn this is selfish by david and the team. this hurts the team dont they he realize this

  • $14435385

    I just don’t get the way they handle situations like this. Considering the fact that the guy played with a broken back (literally), his pain threshold is obviously high…which means that he had to be pretty seriously injured to bow out like this. If that’s the case, why not just DL him immediately? They’ve been shorthanded for what, four games already? And will be for another 3 or 4 (maybe more)? What’s the freakin’ point of that – just give the man the rest he needs and get someone up here.

    Boneheads.

  • KennyandtheMets

    It’s not needless. It is to make sure he is 100%. It is also so the team isn’t short-handed against Atlanra.

  • Charley’s Twin

    I wish my mind allowed me to be earnest and cheerful about this topic. I really do.

  • Hodges14

    The Mets have been playing short handed for the last 6 years.

  • Hodges14

    They wanted to try the 6 man outfield rotation. it’s a huge challenge for TC.

  • Dale_Duro

    Reyes’s lifetime OBP is like .340-.350..

    his 1st 19 games, it was .261

    since then, its been .347

    and we’re talking organizational depth.

    if the mets had as many valid SS options as they do 3B options, than I would’ve kept

    in reality, the mets have 3 options for 3B.

    the NOW in Murphy
    the SOON in Flores
    the later in Reynolds

    this is basically about how do u manage these set of infielders

    Ike
    Duda
    Reyes
    Wright
    Murphy
    Tejada
    Flores
    Tovar

    we later added Reynolds and Herrera

    of the folks on that list, 2 are gone

    An infield configuration of…

    Murphy – 1B
    Flores – 3B
    Reyes – SS
    with either Tejada, Tovar, Reynolds at 2B would be defensive good and offensively ok

    now add whatever u get from a package that Wright brings back and u can now trade for a corner OF

  • Dale_Duro

    that was not a broken back.

    he had a hairline fracture that he didnt even notice.

    he that year sucked BEFORE the fracture and was on a good streak when they shut him down

  • Dale_Duro

    Jones played OF at age 30.

    and that was to make room for a young prospect.

    can u imagine Wright moving to LF for Flores ?

  • $14435385

    Having experienced a stress fracture in a lumbar vertebra myself in college, I can assure you it’s incredibly painful. I have no idea how you can compete in a professional sport with that kind of distraction.

    Wright’s performance – then or now – has nothing to do with my point, which was that if he was hurting enough to pull himself out of a game – which he never does – he clearly wasn’t coming back quickly, and they should have retro DL’d him so they don’t have to play with a shortened bench for more than a week.

    You can complain all you want about Wright’s production, but his character, durability, and desire to play and be accountable has never been in question.

  • Dale_Duro

    never questioned his character, or any of his intangibles

    it is funny though, finding comments from back then…

    “I didn’t realize that when he was playing there was no healing process,” Terry Collins said Saturday, before the Mets whipped the Braves, 5-0, behind unstoppable Dillon Gee. “We probably erred in judgment.”

    In this case, with the non-waiver trade deadline approaching on July 31, there are critical ramifications. Wright’s back problem might actually increase his chances of staying in New York, while decreasing the odds of Jose Reyes – a hero yet again Saturday night with a bases-clearing, three-run triple in the seventh.

    . If Wright’s injury proves chronic, and if Reyes is dealt for unproven prospects in his stead, the Mets could become a hopeless morass.

    Meanwhile, nobody is watching the face of the franchise anymore, as much as his spinal cord.

    ————————————————————–

  • Mets Fan in NC

    They baby their pitchers and Wright will be back on the field this weekend and on the DL for 4-6 weeks shortly thereafter….weird

  • Snuffleupagus

    What’s so funny about those comments? It just kinda proves how stupid the Mets were. When Wright was checked out by the doctors they told him it would take 6 weeks to heal..and the Mets stupidly decided they’d count the previous 3 weeks ones when he had been playing..as part of that time and hope he’d be back in 3 weeks. Oh a fracture in the back didn’t heal when a guy was out there playing every day with it!? How shocking! Next thing we’ll find out is that it wasn’t a good idea to let Ryan Church play while he was still experiencing concussion symptoms!

  • METS62FAN

    SORRY; BUT IMO THIS SOLUTION SUGGESTED ABOVE, IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE, ” If he’s going to be out that long put him on the DL, backdate it to June 27 and bring up a fresh body. The extra week of rest would only serve to help Wright and the team doesn’t have to play shorthanded for nearly a week.”
    SORRY; BUT DO WE TRULY NEED NIEUWENGUIS +5 OTHERS FOR THE 3 OUTFIELD SLOTS? TALK ABOUT REDUNDANCY…
    MY OTHER PREFERRED SOLUTION IS TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THE CY RELEASE THAT WAS ALL; BUT DONE, BEFORE LOOSE LIPS SUNK THAT SHIP. OAKLAND ISN’T REAPPEARING ON THE SCHEDULE ANYTIME SOON TO MAKE HIS RETENTION ANYWHERE NEAR WARRANTED.
    EVEN IF FLORES CAN’T RET’N WITHOUT WRIGHT BEING D/L’d, WASN’T THERE SOME SORT OF CONTINGENCY ALLOWED FOR “TAXI” SQUAD AVAILABILITY FOR JUST THIS TYPE OF CONTINGENCY IN THE LAST CBA?
    FLORES CAN’T BE THE SOLE INFIELDER ON NY’s
    I’M SORRY TO SAY THIS DOESN’T SHOCK ME BECAUSE “ON PAPER” THERE APPERS TO BE ENOUGH AVAILABLE & WE ALL KNOW THIS FO SPECIALIZES IN “ON PAPER” CONSIDERATIONS UNFORTUNATELY GAMES ARE DECIDED “ON GRASS & DIRT”
    TO MY RECOLLECTION WE MUST HAVE AN “ON PAPER” DYNASTY BY NOW. TO PARAPHRASE THAT OLD NYM REATED QIP,”CAN’T ANYONE HERE PLAY THIS GAME?” I CONTEND THE KEY ISSUE REGARDING THIS FRONTOFFICE IS, “HAS ANYONE HERE EVER ACTUALLY WON ANYTHING IN BASEBALL?”
    I HAVE NEVER ENCOUTERED SUCH LOSERS THAT ARE CONVINCED SO ENTIRELY THEY HAVE ALL THE CORRECT ANSWERS & ALL THE QUESTIONS ARE WRONG AS THIS CURRENT BUNCH HIRED FOR FLUSHING’S IVORY TOWER.

  • Snuffleupagus

    No, he was brutal right before they shut him down in 2011. He only hit about .125 over the previous 10 games and about .170 if you include a week prior to that. That was also part of why it was incredibly stupid to have let him play that long. They knew he was hurt… if the guy was tearing the cover off the ball maybe you leave him in, but if he’s hurt and playing terribly all the more reason to have him checked out. We heard all about how the new front office was supposed to be so much better than the prior Omar regime at injury management…yet they completely screwed up that situation.

    You are right, he wasn’t good before getting hurt in 2011 (was only hitting around .250, but that was only about 2 weeks worth of games…hardly much of a sample. And he actually had been great until going 0-11 in the 3 game series right before he got hurt. With the small sample size of games in April your numbers can change quite drastically from one game to the next.

  • sarge69

    Well put 62, as always.

  • Snuffleupagus

    Kirk has done well since his recall and has been a solid PHer…probably played a role in them not wanting to demote him.

    The “taxi squad” thing just serves to let a player hang out with the team be in the clubhouse//work out with the team and all that in case they need to activate him. It doesn’t get around the “the 10 day rule”…another player would still need to be DLed in order for Flores to actually be activated. it used to be that if a player wasn’t on the roster he wasn’t allowed in the clubhouse so teams would have to keep the player at a nearby hotel or whatever…now the taxi squad allows them to at least have someone at the park just in case they need to activate him(though it’s just a one day/24hr thing…so a team can’t keep a player on standby permanently ). A taxi squad situation could come into play maybe on Friday if the Mets were still unsure whether Wright could play and they were going to make a “game time” decision whether to DL him or not. They could have Flores in NY, taking BP, working out before the game, and then he’d be ready to go in case they DLed Wright. But the “taxi squad” doesn’t apply to this particular situation where nobody is DLed and Wright is just out a couple days

  • Snuffleupagus

    It wasn’t for a young prospect, it was for Vinny Castilla who was 34 years old and had about 10 years in the big leagues. That move didn’t quite work b/c Castilla didn’t really hit, but he had been a much better defensive 3b than Jones, so at least there was some reasoning for it. Moving for a lousy defensive player rookie, would’ve made less sense.

    Wright said back years ago he’d switch positions for ARod. But the Mets got mad at him for saying that (probably b/c they had no intention of signing ARod and didn’t want anyone talking about it)

  • Snuffleupagus

    Yes, that seems to be the plan. LaRoche’s contract is up so they will likely let him walk and move Zim to 1b to protect his shoulder. Though interestingly LaRoche has been the Nats best hitter this year by a fairly significant margin. If that keeps up, I wonder if they will have second thoughts about letting him go

  • METS62FAN

    THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION OF TERMS; I’M STILL WONDERING WHY THE HURRY TO RETURN FLORES RATHER THAN TO TAXI HIM, JUST IN CASE. HAVING MORE THAN 2 DIFFERENT SETS OF OUTFIELDERS ON THE ACTIOVE 25 & ONLY 1 POTENTIAL B/U INFIELDER IS NOT MY CONCEPTION OF FUNDAENTALLY SOUND ROSTER MANAGING. I CAN’T EVER CONCEIVE CASHEN WOULD’VE BEEN CAUFGHT SO SHORT.
    IF KIRK WAS RETAINED AS THE LH PHer ISN’T THAT A REPLICATION OF ABREU PARAMETER?

  • Snuffleupagus

    Well the “taxi” guy can only technically be taxi-ed for 24 hours. So it’s not a long term thing. They could have kept him in the city wherever the MLB team was, but outside of the one day he was “taxi-ed” he wouldn’t be allowed to workout with the team or take BP or anything.