Word Around MLB Is Katz Urged Wilpon To Sell The Team

saul katz and fred wilpon

May 19

Updating last week’s report that Mets co-owner Saul Katz was looking to sell his interest in the franchise, a claim that was refuted by the team, Josh Kosman of the New York Post writes:

Word around Major League Baseball is that Katz recently tried unsuccessfully to persuade brother-in-law and fellow owner Fred Wilpon that they should sell majority control, a baseball executive said.

Kosman adds that Wilpon balked at the move largely because he wants to turn over control of the team to his son, COO Jeff Wilpon

Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

At 77 years old, and having children with no interest in owning the team, it would behoove Katz to get out sooner rather than later.

When that happens, there’s a strong chance that the Wilpons could lose majority control if they are unable to buy him out.

I don’t think this story is going to go away.

May 13

The Mets denied a story in the New York Times that claimed team president Saul Katz had expressed a desire to sell his stake in the franchise.

“There is no truth to the reports of any intention of selling,” Katz said in a statement issued by the team.

“I have no intention of selling my share nor have I ever had any intention of selling my share.”

Katz owns a majority share along with his brother-in-law and CEO Fred Wilpon.

May 12

Mets co-owner Saul Katz is “tired of infusing millions” and therefore wants to sell his portion of the team, according to a report from the New York Times which you can read here.

If Katz were to sell, it could very result in his brother-in-law Fred Wilpon losing majority interest in the franchise, a reason why the Times says he “has been reluctant to sell.”

The Mets organization has denied the report and did not make the 75-year old Katz available for interview. Mets spokesman David Newman told the Times there is “no truth” to the report and that Katz is “definitely not selling.”

In order to raise funds to pay off debts to both Major League Baseball and Bank of America, Wilpon and Katz sold 12 minority shares $20 million apiece in March 2012, after which the pair maintained roughly a two-thirds ownership stake.

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  • tacknaf

    as long as he doesn’t sell it to Wilpon…

  • Wolfmicky21

    Haha

  • Matt Mosher

    Which is probably exactly what will happen.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    He can’t afford it.

  • Charley’s Twin

    This is what real hope looks like.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Nothing to get excited about right now. No one is going to buy that much in the Mets and not have a say in how things are run. Same thing that happened before with David Einhorn. He wanted a say. The Wilpons didn’t. He walked.

  • Matt Mosher

    Unless Selig arranges for Fred to get a low-interest loan through MLB.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    There is hope in the world!

  • tacknaf

    do you know what % of the Mets Katz owns? I see Wilpon owns 52 but can’t find any hard #s for Katz

  • Charley’s Twin

    So you just said Fred won’t buy the stake because he can’t afford it. Do you think Saul is just going to subsidize his brother in law’s investment losses indefinitely?

  • bostongregg

    …..and this is why I say my prayers.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Thank the Lord!

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’m saying they’re going to have a hard time finding someone to buy hundreds of millions of the Mets and say, “Ok Fred, here’s all my money. Go run the team. I’ll wait over here.”

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Together they own 2/3 of the Mets. Don’t know how it breaks down.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Let’s not get too excited just yet. Unless there’s been a major family explosion, Mr. Katz will give the W’s as much time as they need to accommodate him in a way that suits them best. Not us.

  • bspo1

    I hope this is true and forces the Wilpons to sell their shares as well. They need to do the right thing here and sell to capable owners. Maybe they can get a nice box seat out of it?

  • Charley’s Twin

    That’s the point. The walls are closing on Fred. Other owners are getting pissed, if the story is to be believed. He’s been in denial for years, and his buddy Saul is helping him see the end game.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Let’s not forget they’re also family. Maybe Fred convinces him to stick around.

    “Look at all this pitching coming!”

  • Charley’s Twin

    then how did this story leak if that’s true? I think the story might be a sign of just what you suggest.

  • ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡Please tell me there is not another Wilpon that can be brought in!!!!

  • Charley’s Twin

    In laws! I wouldn’t bail my in law out 😉

  • Let’s get a kickstarter campaign to buy the shares. We will name our entity “Mongo LLC”.

  • Randolph Scott

    The beginning of the end of the Wilponzi era ?? Oh man, pleeeeeze make it so.

  • Gland1
  • tacknaf

    If Wilpon owns 52% that would make Katz’ share around 15%.

  • Charley’s Twin

    What do you think here? I will admit to being impossibly biased, but I’m encouraged.

  • Guest

    ..

  • Bill Buckner

    Who would be dumb enough to buy a minority share of the team? Basically paying millions upon millions of dollars for a parking space, an owners box, and a title with 0 say in making any decisions….

  • Gland1

    I think that, at this point, because of the family relationship, nothing is going to be imminent. I don’t think he is going to do anything that would put Fred’s control in jeopardy. So maybe Fred starts buying a little more back from him gradually or they work something out. I think this is promising but I’m not sure yet what’s going to come of it.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Exactly. Nothing to get excited about here.

  • TheJuanWhoKnocks
  • Charley’s Twin

    Thanks. I’m especially encouraged by the report that other owners are starting to get pissed at the underperformance of one of baseball’s signature franchises. Maybe Bud is having a harder time protecting his friend/liability.

  • Funny story and this is absolutely true. As I was reading this I got a call on my cell from an unfamiliar number and it was some dude who is my personal account guy or whatever he called it from the Mets front office and he had some questions for me. I deleted it but now wonder if they are looking to have my buy out Katz.

  • Guest

    good riddance…..1 down…2 to go

  • MDonaldWilpon

    Will Fred be able to buy him out? Doubtful…How much more can he leverage?

  • Gland1

    Well it has always been my thought that the reason they signed Granderson was so that they could say “see we spend money”. The issue is going to be if Fred is trying to both buy Saul out and spend money on players to placate other owners. That’s where he could end up getting forced out, because I think there’s only so much to go around.

  • fedupfan13

    Could this be…we all make fun of uncle Sual, meanwhile he might be our savior. Hey any report that starts ownership and selling is good

  • Gland1

    I doubt he could do it today, but they are family and maybe they’d start gradually moving him out. I just don’t think Saul is going to sell and screw the rest of his family over. That’s just my opinion.

  • metsfan79

    Omg this could be the beginning of the end of the wilponz. call mark cuban he was interested and wants to be a winner

  • xknight

    He’s family. He knows the Wilpons do not have the liquid assets to buy his stake in the team. They would have to liquidate some of their real estate holdings and then the banks the ballclub owes would come after them for bigger payments. Fred has stayed afloat by keeping his real estate holdings walled off from the team. The longer Katz stays the more money he loses as the team will not make money in its present situation. He’s not young and this leak to the Times is indicative that he’s actually attempting to sell. He won’t screw Fred by selling to someone who will challenge for control, but it may be a motivation for Fred to consider selling as well.

  • billpulsipher

    “The team’s poor performance financially has also agitated other major
    league owners, who are dismayed that a club playing in as large a market
    as the Mets do is unable to generate more revenue.”

  • metsman

    Question: is there more money owed to BoA than the franchise is worth?

  • NewYorkMammoths

    And the walls of Jericho came tumbling down . . .

  • Andrew Herbst

    Maybe we could get Dolan to buy the team! Lol.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    Saul has always been the financial shark of the operation. Maybe at 75 he wants to start focusing more on his other philanthropy work to strengthen his legacy. It´s not like he can wait forever at that age.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    If you can afford it, go for it! 😉

  • Helloboy

    this story breaking the same time as big pitcher call ups… not a coincidence. Fred wants to see them win now to keep Saul from leaving.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Not at all. In a weird way, Montero’s callup tells me there’s actually something to this story. Full court press to distract the media. We’ll see if it works.

  • LIMetfan22

    Katz is a minority owner. This either starts a snowball effect or it’s just such a small nuisance for the Wilpon regime. Unfortunately I’m banking on small nuisance.

  • Helloboy

    If nothing else, Dolan will spend money on the team. He may just get a guy to run the entire operation without interfering, like he did with the Rangers. So, it may not be the worst thing.

  • MyasDaddy

    HALLEFUCKINLLUAH!

  • billpulsipher

    Francesa “the mets are acting like jackasses”…jeffy boy just banned keith hernandez from mike’s show

  • Charley’s Twin

    Rangers have made the last 8 3 years in a row and have a chance to make the last 4 for the 2nd time in 3 years with a win tomorrow. I think it’s safe to say we would sign up for that for our Mets.

  • LIMetfan22

    Is he saying that now? Elaborate please

  • billpulsipher

    keith was going to be on 1 minute ago and the mets wont allow it. apparently they banned sandy, TC and all players and announcers from mikes show

  • HawkZon

    Yes, please do.

  • Randolph Scott

    takes one to know one …..

  • bostongregg

    “Shaka, when the walls fell”

  • Dave_in_Spain

    I´m not sure that he´s a minority owner, or at least not minority by much. Together they own 2/3 of the team or so, so if he owned the same amount as Fred he´d still be a minority owner. Him selling could make Fred a minority owner. All supposition of course…

  • LIMetfan22

    And this is happening today or went into affect a while ago?

  • billpulsipher

    1 minute ago Mike went into his tirade

  • HawkZon

    Oh, that sounds good!

  • fedupfan13

    Amazing how Wilpon considers the team a family heirloom. That answers all the questions. That’s where the disconnect with the fans come from. It’s not about winning it’s not about building it’s about Jeffry’s trust fund. Anyone who defends these idiots isn’t a real fan or is a complete naive fool

  • LIMetfan22

    Wow.

  • Flatbush0460

    No way, a quarter to a half, depending on what to estimate of sale price you’re using

  • LIMetfan22

    Still don’t see how this could lead to a Wilpon sale of the team

  • Helloboy

    exactly. he really only messes up the knicks. so, may not be the worst thing.

  • billpulsipher

    “the Mets are angry at wfan for not renewing their contract. maybe if they werent garbage for 5 years and won a game for once, they would have been renewed. Keith was about to be on but an edict from the owner wont allow him on”

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    If true, it’s the ultimate Wilpon stupidity. You can’t suppress the truth, it’ll just pop out someplace else. With interest.

  • jjong

    Keith was on some time ago and also was Ron and Bobby so it is new.

  • billpulsipher

    Keith was in the studio and about to come on the air, and then boom he disappeared and Mike went into his rant

  • Dave_in_Spain

    Doesn´t matter. If someone else bought Saul´s (guessing) 37% of the team, and Fred had less than 50%, then he wouldn´t be able to make sole business decisions about the team. He´d lose guaranteed control over the team.

  • Charley’s Twin

    WOW. this is the best day ever!

  • Flatbush0460

    At least Dolan cares. He may be bat crap crazy, but he has deep pockets and he cares. Wilpons are 0 for 2 on that front

  • goorru

    darmok and jalad at tanagra

  • xknight

    Wasn’t Darling on yesterday? No fan of Francesa but if it’s true then Keith and Ron should call in sick for tonight’s game. In fact they may be placed on furlough because of their honest coverage of Sandy’s and Collins’ decision making.

  • jjong

    really, I was listening so I didn’t know that…by the way, I hope it is not the case for Joe and Evan since Joe is SNY too but I wonder if they will not allow him on either.

  • Flatbush0460

    No way he goes halfsies with Freddy and the boy blunder though

  • LIMetfan22

    Mets employees banned from the fan. Is the regime finally crumbling?

  • LIMetfan22

    Ah I see

  • Flatbush0460

    Again, as sole owner. No way he partners with Fred, and Fred is taking this team to the grave, sadly

  • xknight

    Funny that Dolan lets Rangers be Rangers but has always tried to micromanage the Knicks. Which direction would he choose if he bought out Wilpon?

  • bostongregg

    This may be a situation that nothing much happens, but to say “Nothing to get excited about here” really underestimates how really big this could turn out to be. I’m not the biggest fan of the Times but there are a number of potentially explosive little tid-bits in this article….first, the very thought that Katz could bail on his ownership is huge….secondly the hint of a growing dismay on the part of other owners is also pretty encouraging.

  • With the right Groupon I may be able to make it work.

  • Nimmofan25

    Your missing the bigger picture here apparently he was putting up money the Wilpons didn’t have. Without him they may just have to buckle and sell. Or trade Wright for a bag of balls.

  • SkillSets

    More like Great Neck.

  • HawkZon

    They won’t let the WFAN do a remote from Citi.

  • Nimmofan25

    Depends on the millions the guy’s schilling out. Maybe he has been paying most of all costs since the Madoff incident and doesn’t want to anymore. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if a story came out and Katz was the major spender over the last few years.

  • MyasDaddy

    NO!!!!!!!!!

  • fedupfan13

    These idiots are on the ropes…if fans just stay away for like 6weeks they would be toast.. Katz would probably force his way out which would bury Fred. I know you guys enjoy the games but you’ll enjoy them a lot more with owners that care about the team

  • MyasDaddy

    Ding Dong The Wilpons are Dead!

  • Charley’s Twin

    1. Keep refusing to buy tickets.
    2. Keep posting rude comments about them here!

    Everybody needs to chip in.

  • billpulsipher

    sandy lovers fighting with me earlier claiming wilpons and sandy are rebuilding and thats how you do business….clueless

  • fedupfan13

    Yeah they are rebuilding….but that’s not what it’s about. They are broke and cutting wherever possible.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Don’t worry. I was just joking.

  • MyasDaddy

    3. Boycott Metsblog
    4. Tell the Wilpons to go F-themelves!
    5. Repeat

  • Andrew Herbst

    Yeah that’s true. Dolan’s not afraid to spend money.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Let’s not go crazy. We may see them chaining every nickel to the floor until this is resolved. It could make these last few years look like a Roman orgy.

  • billpulsipher

    Katz on his way out. freddy and jeffey boy getting outed for being “jackasses” on Francesa’s show. The media starting to rip into them and they are gettin awfully sensitive..big article in the times on how other owners are disgusted at how the mets dont make revenue…..finally the beginning of the end of these pigs

  • billpulsipher

    EXACTLY

  • MyasDaddy

    I am going crazy. I am doing cartwheels. And my fat ass can’t do them!

  • fedupfan13

    Metsblog still doesn’t have this story…Cerrone must be waitng for his orders….I’m just a sports blog I don’t understand high finance …blah blah blah

  • Nimmofan25

    If he is tired of spending millions I highly doubt he will be very patient. And whole heartedly doubt the Wilpons have the money over the next 5 to 10 years to make such a move. And if they do it will come at the price of talent being put on the field. Expect a 50-60 mil payroll.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Ahahahahaha. Someone should copy and paste whatever he eventually posts here, cause I sure as hell am not giving him a page view.

  • MyasDaddy

    Metsblog lost me several months ago and I haven’t been back. I have started my boycott on everything Wilpon. And started boycotting the 7-line ever since Darren posted a pic with him and Jeff.

  • fedupfan13

    Yeah that’s the thing sometimes I get curious how he will spin something but I don’t want to give him clicks….then I read it and I get pissed anyway…stupid me

  • Monix

    I think Montero’s call-up is a baseball move made by baseball people based on player’s performance.

  • bostongregg

    Exactly….it sounds like he’s been subsidizing his brother-in-law and maybe, just maybe, the gravy train is about to go off the tracks….and suddenly the Wilpons are really forced to scramble at a time when it sounds like the other owners are starting to turn on them.
    Gotta dream, man.

  • CyYout

    I go away for five minutes and miss a report about Katz wanting to sell, news of the Wilpons blacklisting WFAN, and an announcement that Montero is making his MLB debut against Tanaka and the Yankees in two days? NEVER LEAVING THIS SITE EVER AGAIN.

  • QueensRussell

    We can only hope.

  • Donal

    That whole “doesn’t mess with the Rangers” thing must be new, because early in Sather’s tenure, there were a lot of complaints about Jimmy making roster decisions. It wasn’t until after the last lockout that he backed off and let Sather build the franchise.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    And that’s my next concern. We may be in for a period of belt-tightening that dwarfs anything we’ve seen.

  • MyasDaddy

    Oh, I am beside myself right now. Now Let’s go kick some Yankee ass!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

  • HawkZon

    Smart move. 😉

  • Gland1

    Nothing has happened yet. It is all promising, but people should contain themselves until something actually goes down.

  • goorru

    I can imagine Saul sells just enough to the Wilporns to give them 51% ownership

  • MyasDaddy

    I can’t help it bud. This is like music to my ears! I haven’t smiled like this in a real long time! Don’t kill my buzz please! 🙂

  • Connor O’Brien

    Yessssssssssssss

  • fedupfan13

    Watch our luck Selig buys out uncle Saul. Then teams Jeff with little buddy Selig

  • Monix

    I partially believe Cerrone about not understanding high finance. He can’t even understand baseball half the time. All he does is listen to Mets games on the radio while his wife watches Yankees games yet that clown runs a Metsblog.
    With that said, yes obviously he needs word from the bosses before posting something.

  • Gland1

    Ok, enjoy?

  • fedupfan13

    True

  • Taskmaster4450

    Not much to the story. To start, Fred and Saul are family. Also, they are partners in other ventures going back decades. Finally, the losses are receding (a lot of tv money coming their way) so Saul wont have to keep pulling out his checkbook.

    Also, Fred is determined to have this in Jeffy’s hands.

  • Nimmofan25

    Dude your like the Wilpons hoping for a miracle. All their imaginary money that was supposed to come never did. Still have to make more payments on the loans. Waiting for hope doesn’t put money in Katz’s pockets. And you still don’t get it where has the teams problems been pitching? Bring all the pitching you want if you can’t score runs then it’s for nothing ask Harvey about last year.

  • Charley’s Twin

    And this?

    “The team’s poor performance financially has also agitated other major
    league owners, who are dismayed that a club playing in as large a market
    as the Mets do is unable to generate more revenue.”

  • MyasDaddy

    Thank you! I mean from what I gathering from the article you posted below is that a lot of owners are fed up with their BS too. That might be even better news!

  • fedupfan13

    STOP buying tickets

  • Gland1

    To me that’s the more interesting part of things. I just wish that line didn’t seem so speculative.

  • Charley’s Twin

    it may very well be, and they would never admit to what I am suggesting anyway. But the fact that there’s any room for doubt tells you how these clowns do business. My 2 cents.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    I am curious about one thing. What happens to the Suckers, oops, investors that bought in for a 20 million stake like Bill Maher and Jerry Seinfeld. These are the only two I know of. If Katz sells and the Wilpons hold on, this makes the Wilpons stronger not weaker. I agree with my fellow posters that say to advance the Wilpons demise from the team, there must be a total boycott by the fan base. Advice to Keith and all Met employees: locate your life preservers and know where your lifeboat is. When the horn sounds and the ship starts to go down, it will sink fast. Be ready.

  • bostongregg

    ….they are in-laws and it sounds like Saul is tired of throwing good money after bad to make sure Jeffy gets his little plaything. As for partners going back decades, that includes the Madoff deal.

  • MyasDaddy

    Yeah, but maybe its true. Here’s to hope. It’s what keeps me going!

  • Nimmofan25

    MLB would then force them out. This could actually be the best thing that could happen to this team. This city and their fans in my belief this has been Katz’s team with the Wilpons as the face the last 4 years. I don’t believe he is complaining about the millions he would normally put into the team but the millions he has been putting up for the Wilpons is what he’s complaining about.

  • E1Guapo

    I heard that V Stiviano is single, can we set her up with Fred?

  • BurnInHellWilpons

    This is NY. The biggest market in the world. Rebuilding in this city should be a very short period because the ownerships here should be able to financially speed up the process. This shouldnt be small town USA with a 50 mil payroll and takes years to rebuild. Think about all the young pieces and arms we have now. If we had an ownership who could infuse a 160 mil payroll with those arms, we are immediately contenders. But these cheap asss wilpons are so poor we will never turn it around with them in charge spending the way they do. Itll take almost 10 years to ” rebuild “.. pathetic. 2006 was so long ago.

  • fedupfan13

    Fred only dates hot chicks

  • E1Guapo

    Cerronenis figuring out how many catchers and secondbasemen will be in tonight’s lineup posting

  • BurnInHellWilpons

    i send them emails weekly on mets.com .. i love that ” contact us ” button. I dont know who reads em, probably nobody high up seeing how the police havent been to my house yet.

  • Nimmofan25

    When millions are involved family takes a back seat. Maybe since Katz is family he knows it is only going to get worse. So get out of the kitchen before it gets to hot.

  • Mets4ever

    You are insulting pigs here comparing them to Fred+ Jeffy

  • fedupfan13

    So uncle Saul put out a statement saying these are baseless rumors. If this was really untrue then why did they come out against it so quick?

  • HillsideAve

    Saul is a personal guarantor of the new re-finance (@$240M) that went down. That could be a major hiccup to selling his interest, and may also be the cause of his current heartburn over the team.
    Make no mistake, this team is still not solvent. But that’s our fault for not being True New Yorkers and coming out to support the team.

  • Charley’s Twin

    exactly

  • john q

    “Infusing Millions” LOL! How much money did Katz steal with that Ponzi scheme?? Only in bizzaro land U.S.A. is this guy not in prison.

    How much is his share worth?? What a scumbag, get lost and sell your percentage.

  • jjong

    I had to look to see how Matt will spin it on Metsblog regarding Saul and now through Metsblog(Team): Saul said he has no intention of selling and it is not true. Hopefully that statement is just false and he will sell it.

  • HarveyKsYou

    Katz himself just said he has no plans of selling his share. Whoever wrote this should be fired (the orignal source obviously).

  • Charley’s Twin

    Katz has officially denied it just now. That’s to be expected.

  • Charley’s Twin

    so because the subject of an unflattering story denies it it’s automatically not true? Keep in mind that we are dealing with known liars here.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    I posted something quickly earlier, but here´s my thoughts:
    These rich guys care a lot about their legacies. To Fred, it´s handing off the Mets to Jeff. To Saul, it may well be his philanthropic contributions in healthcare. To get your name on major buildings, you need to donate major millions. Saul is 75, he doesn´t have forever to do what he wants to do with establishing his legacy. When push comes to shove, he may well decide that his legacy is more important to him than keeping Fred´s shaky hold on the Mets alive by throwing money away.
    If he finds an outside buyer for his shares, that person will almost certainly demand a say in the way things are run, especially with the debt service and payoffs, and declining attendance and image. A sale process of a significant portion of a team will also require vetting and approval of the new owners by MLB and the other owners: That will mean a forum for other owners to express their concern with the Mets lousy performance in a (the?) major market, and to push for a new partner/owner who has the financial wherewithall to make the Mets competitive again, thus strengthening the sport and its profits as a whole (don´t forget that Mets games on other team´s networks probably generate lower ratings, and thus lower profits for those other networks).

  • fedupfan13

    I think this makes the report more credible. If it was a lie,I don’t think they would care

  • TheMets philosophy

    Is that really your reason why they must be lying?? Its untrue bec anything they sais has no credibility anymore

  • Charley’s Twin

    we are on the same page my friend.

  • Mets4ever

    Yeah he’s a pompous ass. Was listening when he was talking about his wet dream of the Yankees trading with Philly How great Yanks would look with Hamel Lee Utley. Guess he doesnt realize you need to give up something to get something. Yanks don’t have the farm system

  • fedupfan13

    Well that is true, but I meant if it was a lie they wouldn’t really care this shows that the report bothered them

  • Charley’s Twin

    not to mention banning Keith from WFAN and the Montero callup, which I don’t believe is a coincidence. Full on panic at Citi today.

  • fedupfan13

    Yeah that’s what I think.

  • Charley’s Twin

    that would still wipe out their wiggle room, with all of the financial issues still hampering the team. they would not be out of the woods in that scenario, even though it would be quite annoying for the fans.

  • Nimmofan25

    Doesn’t it say enough when your fellow owner and brother in law is calling it quits.

  • Charley’s Twin

    amen. lost in all of this is the reality that the wilpons/katz should be in jail for what happened with Madoff.

  • Combustor

    I don’t get it. The article has this statement:

    “David Newman, a spokesman for the Mets, said Monday that there was “no truth” to the notion that Katz wants to sell his portion of the team. Katz, Newman said, is “definitely not selling.”

    So is he looking to sell or not?

    Nobody is going to put down hundreds of millions and not be allowed to have any input in managing operations.

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    Didn’t read past the headline because HOLY COW PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BE TRUE AND PLEASE HAVE THIS MEAN WE WILL BE FREE OF THE WILPONS AT SOME POINT SOON. PLEASE!!!!!!

  • Nimmofan25

    Every owner who tries to sell comes out and says they are not selling. It takes some of the distraction away from it. Besides Katz has always been a behind the scenes guy why would he want to come out on it and now all of a sudden be in the front of everything. My impression is story will take off in a month or two when he’s close to selling. Besides doing so would only put more heat on Fred and Jeff and I don’t think he wants that.

  • Duffystaub

    Please,please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please be true.

  • metsfan79

    And the walls come crumbling down in the city that we love. Flores up panic, soup up panic, montero before super 2 desperation, story about sal looking to bail PLEASE LET THIS BE THE WRITING ON THE WALL bye bye freddy and jeffy

  • BronxMets

    Praise be to God

  • metsman

    The Times is the closest thing to a credible source we ever deal with on this site. Maybe the post is more up to your standards.

  • BronxMets

    People love using that word vetting

  • Waz0787

    I don’t care what religion you believe . it’s time for religion tolerance and unification. Please pray that scumbags wilpons are forced to sell the mets.

  • muskytoes

    False story or not, at least this serves to stir the pot a little with ownership. Maybe this plants a seed of doubt in Fred’s mind as to Saul’s real motives? Maybe it’s a real story, and Fred and Jeff just got in Saul’s face and ordered him to issue an official denial. So now Saul’s all bitter.

    Maybe Silent Saul is making a power move to get his children a bigger piece of the pie. Why is Jeff the anointed queen in waiting? Saul has spawn, who are just as unqualified as Jeff, and they have as much right as their cousin to wreak havoc with the Mets!

    Ah, I’m a sucker for Mets melodrama.

  • metsman

    What? Why? When?!!! I guess I’ll look it up.

  • WillisReid

    Dude looks like ET.

  • Anthony

    I get everyone’s enthusiasm, but I will remain skeptical until he actually sells

  • TPT

    and Obama said you can your doctor and you can keep your insurance lol

  • metsman

    Okay, looked it up and couldn’t find anything…when did this happen?

  • upandadam

    Someone call Mark Cuban!!

  • Charley’s Twin

    WFAN? it was described by some of the commenters. Happened like an hour ago. I didn’t hear it but Francesa apparently went on a rant about the Mets, calling them “jackasses” among other words.

  • BCleveland3381

    If he sold and it meant that Fred Wilpon was no longer controlling owner I would build that man a statue outside of Citi Field.

  • metsman

    If the republicans didn’t gut the crap out of the bill to pander to private industry as usual, it could have been the truth. Find another analogy.

  • fedupfan13

    I will go to Saul Katz bobble head day

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    You know, the pieces seem to fit. If your theory is right this may yet be a huge story.

  • Charley’s Twin

    If he sells, I will sign a loyalty oath.

  • metsman

    Huh. So Franny pants “banned” him like he did the Jets…aka they don’t want to do his show anymore…I’m curious to hear what transpired I was listening to his show for a while earlier and he was trashing the Yanks and Mets, I guess I missed the meat and potatoes though.

  • Charley’s Twin

    I would like to hear the audio myself, which I have not done.

  • Charley’s Twin

    It feels good to dream. Look how quickly things turned around for the Dodgers once McCourt was forced out.

  • Destry

    The minority shareso were sold to SNY

  • depressed Mets fan

    If Katz sold his shares which resulted in Wilpon losing majority ownership I would buy a ticket plan for next season. I know it’s an extreme long shot but what’s that old saying Mets fans are supposed to live by ??? Oh yeah…. Ya gotta believe

  • not to get all political, but no.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    A good point, and it makes me wonder what happened on the personal front. I don’t believe Mr. K would’ve personally guaranteed that recent re-finance if he had it in mind to get out. Something must have occurred to change his mind.

  • Chuck

    This could be the last step to what we are all longing for: new ownership! So LGM, and let go Wilpons!

  • billpulsipher

    Francesa was interviewing Sweeny and started talking to Keith who walked in studio ready to do an interview in a few moments. they cut to commercial and came back and Francesa went on a rant on how met ownership banned keith from doing the interview and then said how they banned alderson, all players and announcers and TC as well (which is why no mets were on todays show and why TC doesnt do his weekly spot anymre)

  • PessiMets

    Hopefully! Then Wilpon won’t have majority ownership

  • Chuck

    Don’t try spinning that lie … the Republicans had absolutely NO say in that bill. If you say otherwise, then you are rewriting history.

  • HillsideAve

    He may not have had a choice. They were staring down the barrel of a maturing obligation and running out of equity on the asset. It may have been the only way to provide the necessary recourse to the bank. If the team’s financials were too weak (likely yes), then something had to secure the debt.
    What is changing his mind is the reality of continuing operating losses, annual bond payments, a leveraged SNY asset, and the overall idea that he is personally on the hook if the team can’t make it’s loan payments. All just so Fred and Jeff can say they own the team.
    The Mets mean far less to Saul. He looks at the team and sees a failing business, unsustainable in it’s current condition with poor prospects to recover; why throw any more good money at it?
    Fred looks at the Mets and he sees the Brooklyn Dodgers in the wrong shade of blue, and something to keep his half-wit son out of the family business that actually makes money. Real Estate development.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Does Katz’s personal guarantee transfer with his shares? Somebody palatable to the bank has to assume it, or the refinance crashes. It seems hard to fathom that Mr. K would’ve signed off just a few short months ago, making his own personal exit that much more difficult. Unless the refinance came with a Katz escape clause Fred was forced to agree to, that we don’t know about? Or, as I originally suggested, something blew up their relationship these last few months.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Great line. Makes my day!

  • omar minayass

    comment of the season

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    So is this a Jeff leak or something more devious?

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    PLEASE let this to be true. I find Katz, a guy with NO baseball acumen or qualifications, is a joke as President of Baseball Operations. If the Wilpons sell, I pray someone like Oprah buys the team.

  • HillsideAve

    I can only speculate on the details, but what is typical in this scenario is that a) the Guaranty would be replaced if Saul attempted to sell. And yes, the new money and the underlying guarantor would have to pass muster with the bank in order to get the sale approved. Or b) Saul could remain as the guarantor after the sale. Not likely, but possible.
    Assuming that the Guaranty was ‘joint and several’ to Saul and Fred, the bank gets to chase either one or both to recover it’s money. It’s doubtful that Fred was in a position to offer an escape clause; the bank gets to call those shots. The magic is in the words of the document, which we won’t ever see.
    And your original suggestion could also be true, that there is trouble in Sterling Equities. Or maybe Saul is just getting very cranky in his golden years.
    But Mr. K did sign off on the loan with a PG. I was shocked when I first read that, knowing what those implications could mean, including putting a big weight on any exit strategy. I also felt that it would greatly change the Ownership’s view and position on the business of the Mets.
    The rapid denial by Saul’s camp notwithstanding, this has the smell of telling developments to come.

  • IF he sold it, I am fairly certain it will be to the Wilpons, or someone else similarly interested in keeping their majority interest. Carry on.

  • pastline63

    These blood sucking ticks have clung long enough, it’s about time one them sees the light and realizes it’s going way over their heads.

  • omar minayass

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1583481&type=news

    a precursor to present day flushing. quite a funny read.

  • pastline63

    Woe hold it-back that freight train up-think about the ramifications of what your saying. She may have money but she will move the team out of NY that’s a given and cause a mess till she gets her way.

  • pastline63

    I buy a ticket too!

  • omar minayass

    her audience giveaways were prob worth more than our entire roster

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Thanks for your expertise, Mr. H. This does indeed smell like serious cooking going on in the Mets’ kitchen. And somebody could easily get burned.

  • pastline63

    I do not doubt that would be nice to have an owner with her kind of financial fire power,but I doubt she will even bother with such an enterprise, and if she she did it would be not to the regular fan’s delight.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Why in the world would the Queen of All Media, move a big market team out of New York? You know how much heat she’d get here? That will NEVER happen. If anything, she’ll do like Magic is doing in LA: Step out of the way, let the baseball people do all the work & give the front office the money they need to get FA’s.

  • john q

    When I see characters like this I’m always reminded of a few lines in a Bob Dylan song:

    They say that patriotism is the last refuge
    To which a scoundrel clings
    Steal a little and they throw you in jail
    Steal a lot and they make you king

  • TheMetsMachine

    Yep, those Dodgers look great in 3rd place.

  • Charley’s Twin

    no one is expecting to be in first every month of the season. their ownership tries to put a winner on the field.

  • TheMetsMachine

    Tell to the Dodger fans complaining about Mattingly, Kemp, Ethier. If they don’t win that The Division it will get ugly fast, honeymoon for the new owners will be over faster than they can say Magic.

  • MDonaldWilpon

    You know what it means when someone in the Wilpon/Madoff ownership group denies something….

  • Charley’s Twin

    the Flushing Spring is upon us.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Oprah owning the mets would be awesome, and she would need approval from the league and the city to move.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    This , if true, could be the best met news in years

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Oprah??? O god no

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Me too

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Too good to be true

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Can i get an amen lol

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Yes hes jumping ship

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    He would be awesome!

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Ha!!! Not sure whats a bigger mess lol

  • Sylow59

    Is that because they all voted against it?

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Dont agree

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I bet if they all sell to lets say mark cuban tomorrow, citi field will be packed with fans, excited to have a real owner

  • BronxMets

    Seriously it’s like the new word to make people feel intelligent

  • Charley’s Twin

    cant wait to find out!

  • Tlagee

    From the NYT article: “… documents show that revenue from the stadium’s 10,635 most expensive seats fell 58 percent, to just below $42 million in 2013 from $99.3 million in 2009. In the same period, concession sales decreased 29 percent and parking revenue dropped 20 percent. The team reportedly lost $70 million in 2011. Meanwhile, by last season, attendance at Citi Field had fallen 33 percent from the stadium’s opening season in 2009”

    So fans, it’s working. Fred can not hand off his selfish and stupid Madoff mistake on to the fans – continue to hold onto something that he should have let go of the second the scandal hit – without consequences. The fans will not put up with his plan to financially dog paddle his way to keeping the team for his idiot son. The less money you fans put into his pocket the more of a chance that he has to sell. Go to a game – bring the family and enjoy yourself. But limit the number of games you go to – eat before you go and take public transportation.

  • Peter S

    Yeah right.

  • Charley’s Twin

    it IS working. and I can’t wait to buy a big ass ticket package the day ownership changes hands.

  • omar minayass

    probably a PR-ploy to energize the fanbase.

  • derek murphy

    There is 0% chance Saul wants to sell. They use the Mets as there personal piggy bank. They have taken hundreds of millions of dollars and put it in there pocket. Selling would make that money real and between that and taxes he would not get anything near what he should. The price for content is exploding. Also with the multi billion dollar project that got approved for sterling equities to build around Cityfield the value is just increasing. The Wilpons and Katz came very little out of pocket them selling team would be catastrophic. This would be great but it sounds like puma or rubin may have been doing his fact checking.

  • If Saul sells does he have to repay the money that all of the owners borrowed this Spring and stuck straight into their pockets?

  • You can’t keep shuffling the shells forever. Eventually you gotta lift them up and show where the ball is.
    The banks are going to fully own this team soon enough. I don’t love the banks, but they are interested in running businesses to make a profit. They’ll have to be better than the Wilpons and Katz’s.

  • omar minayass

    is there any chance the incoming commissioner takes action on the wilpons? or is that just a pipe dream most mets fans can only dream of?

  • Hodges14

    Why do you think the Madoff mess was a mistake? I think you can make an argument that the Wilpons would not own the Mets, SNY or Citi Field without Madoff money.

  • Charley’s Twin

    my friend, we are so close now. Wilpons are on their heels. Can you feel it?

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Oh god no? She has endless supplies of money that will transform the franchise. Not only that, she’ll leave things to the professionals.

  • Flatbush0460

    Not so long as Buddy Boy Selig is in power

  • mattbalasis

    Here’s an interesting question, say SA does become commissioner … does that make it more or less likely the Wilpons hold onto the team? I say less … WAY less …

  • jason bay

    Sell Saul, Sell.

    PS, was Saul behind the loyalty oath?

  • Albin Henneberger
  • MikeyT

    I totally agree I think the issue is the mets were never rich enough to own the mets. So much of their wealth was paper wealth that was basically fictitious because of Bernie’s magical returns

  • Jeff Roland

    haha moron, yeah ok thats what happened

  • Tlagee

    Who, Commissioner Sandy Alderson?

  • goorru

    no way they get the team taken away. Sandy is all about cronyism.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    SELL YOUR SHARE, YOU OLD FOOL!

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Hard to know whats the truth….These guys are professional LIARS.

    Theyre the same ones that said the Mets had no financial troubles and the madoff business was much to do about nothing (when thee story 1st hit)

    LIES LIES AND MORE LIES

  • jason bay

    Sell Saul Sell

  • coyote521

    Whats this?
    katz deserting the sinking ship?
    Too good to be true.

  • DrDooby

    Hopefully Uncle Saul does sell. And maybe Jeffy sees Uncle Saul swimming in wealth again and decides he also wants to enjoy life & the world and be a very rich person and decides to sell too eventually…

  • sperry

    He’ll deny it all the way up to him walking into the meeting where he signs the papers. Nothing surprising.

  • Jgreen

    Sure… ‘wink wink’

  • Metropolitan

    yeah I knew it would be too good to be true.Saul is not going to sell

  • Hotstreak

    Saul is cash strapped no more Madoff 18% returns. No more 3 Million attendence. Maybe they all should collectively hang themselves. SA could be the Lord High Executioner. Then he will be gone with the wind when new owners buy team from MLB. Hang in their Met fans but only the owners of this team by their necks.

  • NeedNewOwners

    Read this Katz; SELL you old criminal POS. And convince your filthy brother in law and weasel nephew to follow you.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    We can only dream!

  • Agee’s Catch

    we are not worthy, most excellent poster.

  • Xavier 22

    Even if he does sell, it will probably be in some way that doesn’t threaten Fred’s control of the team.

  • Xavier 22

    That would be a good thing actually. Sandy has witnessed the Wilpons’ incompetence firsthand.

  • Xavier 22

    That would be interesting. If the Wilpons can buy Katz’s stake, they’re in better financial shape than we thought/hoped.

  • MikePiazza3186

    Degrom is coming up German dl

  • Jakal42400

    OPRAH… Oh my God NOOO!! You want someone like Cuban.

  • MDonaldWilpon

    Baseball doesn’t allow cross-ownership. IE, a person owning an MLB team and a team in another professional league. Also good news is that one branch of the Dolan family (Jimmy’s uncle) still owns the Cleveland Indians so that isn’t probable either. All I ask is for someone with George Steinbrenner’s commitment to winning with the O’Malley family’s commitment to building a great organization. Is that too much to ask?

  • Bill Buckner

    I’m not missing anything. If they no longer had the money he was infusing they would spend even less, not sell the team. Even though they again slashed payroll from 2013 to 2014, they still spent money on Grandy, Colon, and CY. All Katz selling would accomplish (assuming they could even find a sap dumb enough to buy a minority share of a sinking enterprise) is the Wilpons having even less resources to spend on FAs going forward…

  • mattbalasis

    How is Sandy all about cronyism? Not saying he isn’t, just wondering what makes you say that? I ask because his organizational priorities tend to be very “military like.” Also, if all the talk over the years about how incompetent the Wilpons are is true, then you’d think as commissioner he might not be too enamored of their position as one of thirty ownership groups. He would have seen 1st hand just how incompetent they are.

  • mattbalasis

    the katz is out of the bag!

  • coyote521

    Can dave hudgens teach the mets to swing a katz without hitting anything?

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Whats the difference? Both have endless money and will stay out of the way.

  • Jakal42400

    1 has already had a professional championship team. Oprah had to ask 2 other investors to get involved in trying to buy the Clippers. We don’t know if Oprah would stay out of the way, she already had a magazine that failed and a network, due to her constant involvement.

  • Matt Mosher

    Good…..then the decreased gate receipts may have a good effect after all.

  • Charley’s Twin

    It won’t be long now. Keep staying away this summer and we may just finally get our team back.

  • Matt Mosher

    Exactly. These guys are complete liars.

  • $14435385

    Might have to dance on Roosevelt Avenue if that happens.

  • fedupfan13

    Even Katz knows Wilpon should sell. This shows you how bad things are and how stubborn and selfish Fred is. Also shows all the fans talking about believing in Sandys plan that the plan is to get Jeff his Mets. Enjoy that as you defend these liars

  • Charley’s Twin

    If we ever get word I will sprint out of work to go celebrate

  • fedupfan13

    Even Saul won’t sign it

  • Metfan9876

    How is Sandy’s plan to get Jeff to own the Mets? There’s nothing that backs up your assumption.

  • fedupfan13

    The plan has been to cut costs and pretend it was to rebuild the franchise. As if you can’t rebuild the minor leagues while spending money. The plan is to keep costs low enough that they could keep spending on the grossly huge loan payments. The team winning is priority three or four.njeff keeping mets priority one

  • fedupfan13

    Every action by this franchise backs my assumption

  • Jack

    For the love of God please sell!!!!

  • tacknaf

    Let me just add to this by saying:
    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE OH GOD PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

  • Charley’s Twin

    It’s such a futile gesture, too, because everyone knows Jeff has no chance if he really ever has to stand on his own.

  • billpulsipher

    Jeff and Fred are the devil. they will never sell….get used to 90 losses and a 75 million dollar payroll forever….BOYCOTT

  • fedupfan13

    Yeah supposedly he’s hated by owners. So if this franchise stays in this state they might move on him like they wouldn’t on daddy

  • I hope Katz is smart enough to look out for himself because Wilpon cannot buy him out and the Mets are not a good investment at this point in time. #Selltheteamnow

  • prosoundz

    Please, please, please baseball gods I beg they!

  • Charley’s Twin

    Well, if they actually do have to sell, my first order of business will be to purchase a large ticket package.

  • fedupfan13

    Be nice to go to games again

  • Jack

    How great would it be if the new owner has a payroll way over one hundred million that he can use to buy bats for this struggling offense. The owner should keep the philosophy of primarily developing young arms for the rotation and pen in the farm and just to go out and get bats.

  • Jack

    Hey Wilpon, if you sell, you will actually get respect from the fan base.

  • Xavier 22

    The journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step…and I think Saul just took that step!

  • Jack

    Katz’s family doesn’t want to own the team so they will sell eventually severely jeopardizing Wilpon

  • Xavier 22

    They will never sell willingly. But if Saul sells, they either have to buy him out (which they cannot afford to do), or they settle for minority ownership (which Jeff will never accept).

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    I used to work with a bitter dummy whose rich daddy kept trying to find him a small company to run. The young cretino kept punishing dad by making enemies and effing up in general. Getting back at the world for being born homely and dumb.

    Fred is determined to inflict his little misfit on this franchise. Even family like Katz can see how this ends up. I don’t see any way it’s fixed unless MLB steps in.

  • Jack

    I think their plan was to develop a farm system, primarily pitching, and overtime the payroll would supposedly (it didn’t) increase so they can go out to complement the arms in the farm. They are too cash ridden to do that though.

  • metsman

    Well doesn’t that make him the Katz pajamas! Keep trying, our new best friend!

  • Jack

    Unless they sell all of Sterling Eq. to buy the team haha. Something like a mad man would do

  • Xavier 22

    That would be an act of desperation that would force the MLB to intervene.

    I don’t expect anything to happen this year. But the offseason could get verrrrry interesting.

  • Jack

    Plus they won’t have any reinforcements from good o’l Buddy Selig

  • SkillSets

    #ShufflingShellsSellSaulsSharesSoon

  • Jack

    The boat is sinking!

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Im starting to REALLY LIKE this Katz guy

    Forget #FreeLagares……………..#FreeKatz!

  • Guest

    i hate the Wilpons but your way off base because nothing the Wilpons have done has violated or broken any MLB rules …they are liars sure but they havent not met payroll as McCourt of the Dodgers did not nor have they Divided the Mets up into 20 seperite companies

  • Charley’s Twin

    he can end up a hero, darth vader style.

  • Metfan9876

    Yeah well I doubt Sandy wants Jeff to own the Mets. He was brought here to rebuild the farm while the team was and still is cash-strapped and that’s his main job right now ( Aside from constantly signing retreads for the major league team ). Jeff owning the Mets is an aspiration of Fred and most likely NOT Sandy.

  • fedupfan13

    Bud and Fred want what Fred wants. Sandy is here for bud

  • billpulsipher

    the boat sank..now its just laying in the bottom of the ocean

  • depressed Mets fan

    Amazing how everyone recognizes Fred should sell… Except Fred.

  • Jack

    Yet somehow the Wilpons are captaining a capsized ship underwater.

  • TPT

    you just can’t take a team away from a owner when he hasnt violated or broken any MLB rules… as much as i hate the Wilpons hes not McCourt and hasnt missed a payroll or divided the Mets in 20 separate companies and stole 190 million from them as McCourt did with the Dodgers

  • Jack

    And Jeff. Unfortunately the two that matters

  • fedupfan13

    Sandy isn’t a scout he doesn’t even have a baseball background he is a lawyer. Why is he the man to rebuild a farm system ?

  • Jack

    Wilpon does look like Emperor Palpatine

  • Metropolitan

    I guess Katz is not delusional and knows it is a sinking ship,just sell your share Katz

  • Jack

    How hysterical would it be that if the Mets sell the next home game is jam packed!

  • Jack

    Wilpons selling is our World Series!

  • Tomthetinker

    What % does Katz own?

  • Jack

    1/3

  • Tomthetinker

    the wilpons own 52%. So he would own 1/3 of that 52%?

  • Jack

    I could be wrong but I think 1/3rd of the whole team. If funds wilpon most of his money. I think Katz only owns the mets to support his friend. I’ll look it up

  • depressed Mets fan

    If the Wilpons sold I would buy a ticket package. As it is now I refuse to go to any games as long as my money goes to the Wilpons

  • BadBadLeroyBrown
  • metsman

    Katz looks like Yoda, but that doesn’t really work in this analogy.

  • Jack

    I think MLB knows The Mets owners are in a black hole so why not take them out now. Don’t prolong the suffering.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I hope MLB steps in like with the Dodgers situation.

  • Mets4ever

    Mets owners if they were smart ( which can’t be the case) should sell now. They should make a nice profit and think of the goodwill from us fans they would get buy selling. They MUST know how despised and hated they are. Why leave that hatred as a legacy for your family to deal with. What’s wrong with these guys?

  • Matlack

    Beautiful.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Would it be safe to say then that SANDY ALDERSON has FAILED!!!

    -Failed to build a winning ballclub
    -Failed to save the Franchise for the Wilpons.

    It seems like everytime the Wilpons think they are out of the woods some new issues/problems pop back up LMAO….It couldnt have happened to nicer people 😉

    Its like a sign from God telling the King of Egypt(Mets) to let his people go(Mets fans)….But Emperor Wilpon refuses to let us leave. And Saul seems to be playing the Moses role parting the red sea of the East River’
    http://amazingcatechists.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/moses.jpg

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔
  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    0% chance that will happen until Selig is gone.

  • Jack

    The reason that Selig and Wilpon didn’t sell was because that is what you get when you have one of the worst Commissioners of Baseball of all time and one of the worst owners of baseball of all time.

  • Jack

    Wait I think you are right.

  • Guest

    would be nice to have new ownership who actually spends money and erases the memory of the 2 pigs freddy and jeffey boy. 200 million dollar payroll, no more scrubs, 40,000 in that stadium every night. superstars at every position…like a REAL big market team operates. None of this penny pinching small market garbage that has gone on far too long..

  • Andrew Herbst

    Unfortunately.

  • Hodges14

    Message to Saul Katz: Try harder. Don’t give up. We are behind you.

  • Hodges14

    He got the Wilpons passed their most recent Ponzi scheme debacle. So for that reason he can’t be viewed as a total failure. That was his main objective when he was sent here.

  • Metropolitan

    and I am sure Selig will continue to say I am not concerned about the Mets,meanwhile you got Katz who owns a majority share of the team urging his partner Wilpon to lets sell

  • CJM

    This has to be said because it looks like nobody else here will step up and say it. I am totally disappointed in Mets fans for their treatment of the Wilpons. No matter what, the Wilpons are fans of this team just like the rest of us. They are such big fans that they invested their lives into this team. And they wanted to see the team win. They were more than willing to provide $120+ million payrolls when they had the money. Nobody was complaining about the Wilpons in ’06. But now they face some financial difficulty, and the team isn’t thriving, and all of you guys are out here with your pitchforks calling for their heads? Shame on you, Mets fans. This is a time when the Wilpons need our support the most. But like the cowards you are, you join the pack calling the owners bums and demanding they sell the team. True fans stick with their team, owners included, through THICK and THIN. You were all here during the THICK (’06) without a single complaint. But now that they’re in the THIN, you’ve all jumped ship. True fans would still go to games, buy merchandise, do anything they can to help the Wilpons out of this financial bind. Those of you demanding a sale are NOT true fans. None of you deserve a better team than the one they’re currently fielding.

  • Phoenix Met

    LOL

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    I would like to you to ask Tom Seaver and past ballplayers how they feel about the Wilpons. If they had the class they would at least be honest with us. Like all of us I want a product on the field

  • I love The Onion.

  • Charley’s Twin

    needs work

  • billpulsipher

    true fans dont support corruption, lies, betrayal and losing……you should root for the pirates and Ike.

  • billpulsipher

    more Dodger fans will be in the stadium this week than mets fans

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    1. Please please please please WIlpons sell team.

    2. Time for Terry to go. whether you think Wally would be better of not, he would infuse some energy and spark some fan interest/enthusiasm. No downside to firing Terry at this point. The time has come.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    Not sure if this is real or satire- but I’ll play along. Anyone who loved the Wilpons then, hates them now and would love them again if they won is deserving of contempt. However, I don’t think Jeffy ever had a big fan club. I have been against them for a long time- saw Jeff’s fingerprints all over the Kazmir debacle, hated just about every personnel choice from Art Howe and beyond. I rooted for the TEAM but always disliked the “Steinbrenner-lite” strategy of throwing money at free agents. I think Fred’s Dodger obsession is off-putting and virtually every way that this regime interacts with the fanbase is insulting or condescending in some way. I really think MLB should have arranged for them to sell the team and take a minority stake in the Dodgers when they were for sale, and everyone would have been happy.

  • billpulsipher

    Take Fred, Jeff, Sally boy, TC and Sandy and get them all the HELL OUT of this organization and then maybe they can come back to being a legit franchise

  • lovemymets

    I say let’s plan a “Saul Katz Appreciation Day” if THAT happens.

  • Hodges14

    Sandy was brought here (more like sent here) to cut expenses and create an elaborate spin campaign to make the gullible portion of the fan base buy into losing now is good for the future.

  • Metropolitan

    Yeah Katz is majority owner in partnership with Fred if Katz sells it is game over for Wilpon he would no longer be majority owner

  • Metropolitan

    statue for Katz outside Citi field

  • gameball

    Wow. I understand why you say all that, and you are right in your points about the Wilpons’ personal devotion to the team and their proven willingness to spend to the level of their capability. I also believe that they are more victims of than accessories to the Madoff debacle.

    But do you really want Jeff Wilpon running this team with less and then no restraint for the next 30 years?? I think we’ve all seen and heard enough to conclude that the man is a gold-plated idiot, and long past the point in life where he’s likely to reveal hidden talents and new found executive competence going forward.

    I will continue to support the team, and to hope for a renaissance that, if it happens, will happen despite ownership and not because of it. But I pray for a time coming soon when the controlling interest of the team is in smarter and more capable hands.

  • Bail4Nails

    I get it now! You’re a Contrarian! Makes perfect sense.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    I don’t get how everybody’s so excited.

    Fred’s not leaving until Jeff is named emperor for life. And Katz is so tangled up in Sterling Equities he can only exit the Mets on the most gentle, favorable terms to his longtime partner Fred. Unless he intends to blow up the empire, and that ain’t happening.

    All this does is highlight how screwed we are.

  • LordoftheMets

    As a Mets, Jets, & Ron Paul fan, I’ll never win. 🙁

  • Bail4Nails

    At least 1 of those 3 makes sense once in a while.

  • Bail4Nails

    If by some Miracle this happens, is a Ticker Tape Parade allowed Halfway through a Season?

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Unless the new commissioner is competent enough to kick them out like Selig should’ve done. Even Tony Clark was growing suspicious about the Mets financial state.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Depends on who buys the team.

  • lovemymets

    I’ll chip in for it. 🙂

  • lovemymets

    Who’s Sally Boy? Saul Katz?

  • CJM

    On what grounds will the commissioner possibly remove the Wilpons? It’s not an easy thing to do, by any means. Having a low payroll is not a reason to kick an owner out.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    That’s our only hope, and it’s a slim one. The fact that Katz is fed up, that everybody dislikes Jeff, etc, isn’t worth a hill of tacos.

  • lovemymets

    I’d LOVE Wally Backman as manager, but that will NEVER happen as long as Wilpons own the team. They either trade the players who they consider “trouble” (see Kevin Mitchell, etc.) or don’t hire a feisty, outspoken, beloved former Met in any capacity. Wally’s got too much energy and “says the wrong thing” too often for their liking. Anyone who’s going to speak their mind is a big turn-off for them.

  • Bill_R_whatshooF

    no matter what Kind of Mets Fan you are, ALL of us are “PLEASE SELL THE F’ING TEAM” Fans

  • Bill_R_whatshooF

    I will personally buy 5 kegs and carry them to the parking lot on my back, one my one, the very 1st game after they sell the team

  • HarveyKsYou

    Especially Wednesday. Nonetheless, the stadium will be dead with maybe 5K per game…

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  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Haha – the dark side of the force balances the light. It doesn’t even matter which is which.

  • lovemymets

    When Omar Minaya was fired and the Wilpons gave their “state of the Mets” speech to the fans about living and dying with every game, I believed them. Yes, they want to win, too, but what they always seem to do is surround themselves with the wrong baseball minds. After reading “The Worst Team Money Can Buy” which covers the Bobby Bonilla/Vince Coleman years, I realized that today, some 20+ years later, nothing has changed in the Mets’ front office. They either misspend money or are too cheap to spend it when necessary. Once Nelson Doubleday left, the tone of ownership changed. The Wilpons are real estate-minded businessmen, not sports owners, and are more concerned with making money on the surrounding property of Citi Field than the team’s needs. When they DID spend money on big contracts (Bonilla, Johan Santana), they were always deferred contracts. Bobby Bonilla will continue to get paid for another 15 or so years when they should’ve given him the $5 million owed when he left the team instead of paying it with interest for years to come. Bret Saberhagen also gets half a million a year for the next 5+ years. If they don’t have the financial means to improve the team, the right thing to do is sell the team to owners who do. If they’re true fans like they claim they are, they will do the right thing. They privately claim they won’t invest more money in a team that fans aren’t paying to see, yet the fans won’t pay to see a team not worth watching. And Sandy Alderson is a payroll-saving puppet who doesn’t share the fans’ passion for the team. After a four-year honeymoon that’s produced the half-ass Zack Wheeler and Travis d’Arnaud, Sandy’s done nothing, zip. Just look at the Angel Pagan trade: we got Andres Torres who ended up BACK with San Francisco. With him not yet in the major leagues, we don’t know whether Noah Syndergaard will prove to be a solid major-league commodity, so all I can base Sandy’s four years on is Zack Wheeler and Travis d’Arnaud. I also felt that signing Curtis Granderson was a huge mistake as Citi Field’s dimensions aren’t even close to Yankee Stadium’s — and why didn’t they want him back? With what the Yankees paid Jacoby Ellsbury and Carlos Beltran, they could’ve saved money (and a draft pick) if they kept Granderson. Bartolo Colon and Chris Young are other examples of misspent money on disastrous players. Terry Collins can only play the hand he’s been dealt and should this season resemble the last couple and heads start to roll, the axe ought to swing on Sandy’s head before anyone else’s.

  • Tomthetinker

    RP16

  • Tomthetinker

    RP16.

  • fedupfan13

    Wow…you might have just written the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read..this team is their piggybank. I don’t think I could ever read anything else you post. I have never experienced such an out of touch uninformed opinion in my life. I hope for the love of god that you have some sort of a connection to these people. Otherwise, this is just insane logic. Yeah we should all start another Ponzi scheme so Jeff could keep his mets

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  • Flatbush0460

    Fred won’t sell simply because what else is Jeffy going to do all day? He doesn’t qualify for a ”real” job, cause that would require brains. I suppose he could get a job at the Quickie Mart, or perhaps McDonald’s, but then he would actually have work. He’s never ever done that before, and frankly it frightens him.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    For Fred, it’s either sell the team and get yourself out of this financial mess sooner than later, or continue to pay near a billion dollars total to the banks for several years and wait for your douchebag son to run the franchise to the ground. For a real estate developer, he doesn’t make the smartest investments, does he?

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Finally, a candidate who shares our values.

  • Manny S

    I’ll see you there bro!!!

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    I was just saying this the other day. For a guy with dollars-and-cents smarts, he’s got a complete blind spot when it comes to letting his pooch Jeff run around the ‘hood without a leash.

  • owlnut

    Does it really matter? No owner could be worse.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Better get more kegs than that! It’s gonna be a party in the Shea parking lot.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Of course it matters. They could sell it to a friend. They could sell it to someone who doesn’t care and just wants to own a team. Of course it matters. It might not be worse (it could be) but it doesn’t mean it would be any better.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    No Bud Selig did by lending the team money and backing Fred with the Banks.

    Not to mention Fred having to sell all those shares to so many people

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Exactly. Why trade a fractured skull for a heart condition? Ownership changes happen once a generation. If you get a shot, make it count.

  • mad met

    Can someone call mark cuban

  • mr1313

    Nonsense. How about the treatment from the owners to the fans. To defend an ownership group that was part of a ponzi scheme who ripped off investors unknowingly is hilarious you must be related to these scumbags. When Jeff finally takes over it will truly be a dark day for this franchise and you will change your tune.

  • Destry

    If an owner is bad for the game, eventually the other owners and the commissioner will remove them.

  • fedupfan13

    No you are being unfair……it was two Ponzi schemes….poor guys what’s the chances of having that bad of luck..and why did they have to pay the first time?

  • mr1313

    I agree but they did employ Bobby Valentine.

  • Adding to the story regarding Katz which I don’t know if anyone read but might find of interest was the Post saying the Katz selling may not mean the Wilpons lose controlling interest of the team.

    “Someone who buys Saul’s stake would have no rights,” a source close to the situation said.
    And even if a majority of new owners wanted to remove Wilpon as
    general partner, they would find it very difficult to doso, sources
    added.
    Many Major League teams have general partners who own minority stakes in their teams. Those GPs cannot be forcibly removed.
    Of course, if Katz sells, it could increase slightly the possibility
    that Wilpon could lose the team. For example, if a new co-owner was not
    willing or able to fund any future losses, the team’s overall financial
    problems could force Wilpon out.

    http://nypost.com/2014/05/12/mets-wedded-to-wilpon-even-if-katz-sells-stake/

  • fedupfan13

    Rereading this I think you’re just busting balls

  • Destry

    I agree with you that the fans should be going to the games, if nothing else to support the players that are busting their butts day in and day out for this organization, but the simple fact is that the Wilpons are not currently suitable owners for a major league baseball team in NY. With the team comes an obligation and responsibility to their fans and their city to put together a respectable organization, and quite simple they have failed at that aspect. I would like to own the Mets, but I don’t have the means. I wouldn’t take on that responsibility unless I could give the fans and the city what they truly deserved, and the WIlpons cant either. If they truly loved the Mets, the last thing they would want to do is to have the organization heading south for an extended period of time, and they would recognize that suitable owners need to be in place to make them successful again.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    It would take an awful lot for the owners to get behind something like that without a warehouse full of evidence. None of them wants it to be easy to boot somebody out of the club.

  • fedupfan13

    But you think that we should go to the games to support players that are being paid. All the while propping up ownership. We need to stay away in order to get the Wilpons out. The players will be ok they get paid for playing and aren’t doing that great a job anyway.

  • Bail4Nails

    Someone should go on Shark Tank, and pitch the idea of Owning the Mets to him.

  • gameball

    For better or worse, it takes more than mere incompetence to give the commissioner leverage to oust an owner, and why would the other owners get behind the potential re-emergence of a rival team in a major market?

  • lovemymets

    And you see how THAT turned out. I HATE Bobby Valentine, always did, going back to when he played for the Dodgers. He had that self-entitled, know-it-all attitude, figuring he was baseball royalty because he married Ralph Branca’s daughter. Big fucking deal. I was THRILLED when the Mets canned him. When things go wrong, he throws his players under the bus and I knew when the Red Sox hired him that it would turn out to be a disaster. And when things started going badly, he publicly picked on Kevin Youkilis, drawing attention away from himself which only reinforced what I think about him. He’s done managing in MLB and to that I say, “good riddance to bad rubbish.” We really haven’t had a great manager since Davey Johnson.

  • gameball

    Exactly.

  • Metropolitan

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • Destry

    The money made at the gate is just a small part of it. Our players don’t deserve to play in an empty stadium. Screw the Wilpons, but don’t make our players suffer for it. Those are the guys we root for day in and day out. We, as fans, have an obligation to create an atmosphere that is enticing for other players to want to play with the Mets. Just because the Wilpons are bad owners, doesn’t mean we have to be bad fans.

  • fedupfan13

    Listen, wanting to take my dad and daughter to games, yet staying home in order to get rid of crooked owners does not make me a bad fan. You think that cheering is going to make players want to come here when the Wiplons can only afford 20 cents on the dollar? Not supporting owners that are bankrupting the team you love for their own selfish gains does not make you a bad fan. Rooting for aaaa players at premium priced doesn’t make you a good fan

  • lovemymets

    No, Bernie Madoff was their piggybank. They were one of the few who DIDN’T lose money from the Ponzi scheme. They expected to make more, a LOT more, and to use a mathematical example, they made $500 million when they expected to make $800 million. In their minds, they lost $300 million. Their dependency on that money is evident by their pay-later contracts. They owed Bobby Bonilla “only” $5 million. At the end of his contract he was going through a divorce, having to give up 50% of his money. To pay him $5 million some 20 years later, with interest, appealed to all parties. But in the end, the $5 million turned into over $20 million, as it’s paid to him THROUGH JULY 2035! If that isn’t indicative of their Ponzi-scheme mentality, I don’t know what is.

  • Destry

    What are you gonna do when the WIlpons keep the team forever? Never go to a game again? You’re just using the Wilpons as an excuse not to support them when they aren’t great. I bet if they are in first place next year, and the WIlpons still own the team, you will be at the stadium

  • Hodges14

    Don’t forget Alderson’s tireless slashing of the payroll which is still going on today. Lannan, Davis, Farnsworth all gone from the roster since the season started.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Precisely. You can bet that Mr. Katz, joined at the hip with Fred via Sterling Equities, is not about to fire up WWIII by sticking the Wilpons with an uncooperative partner.

  • fedupfan13

    No way buddy. I’ll give you an example in the mid 90s when they pulled this crap because they claimed the strike made them hurt financially. The team stunk, I would go to the games but only with tickets not bought from the stadium and I wouldn’t buy anything inside. I still watched the team but didn’t let them profit. This year I will probably go to some road games.

  • Destry

    So go to the games with tickets you buy outside the stadium

  • fedupfan13

    This time I feel they need to see an empty park. They are on the balls of their ass. Even Katz is telling them to give up. I think the place needs to be empty.

  • Destry

    If they want to hang on to the team they will find a way to do it whether the stadium is empty or not.

  • fedupfan13

    You are probably right. But I want to make them suffer just like we are. If they make it then I’ll deal with that at the time. I think they might make it…but not if the park was truly empty

  • As far as being a Mets fan is concerned…dreams don’t come true. The Wilpons are entrenched. And unless someone offers some ridiculous figure elite $2-3 Billion dollars…the Wilpons are going no where. Carry on.

  • rexmack

    Are you high? Or is this really Jeff Wilpon

  • jdon48

    if they lose their controlling interest, they could wind up being silent partners

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    Saul Katz didn’t become a multimillionaire by being a dummy. He can look around Citi Field and see all the empty seats and getting out now his age will be better for him and his estate.

  • jdon48

    has Jeff ever had to find a real job?

  • Metropolitan

    Best thing for Wilpon to get out too but his damn brat son jeffy is the real problem

  • Tomthetinker

    I think I remember him putting a bid in for the cubs and MLB rejected him. I could be wrong

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    Hold on now. When Citi was being built there were pictures of Jeff in his Hardhat. That picture alone would qualify him to be a rodeo clown.

  • CJM

    There is no precedent for that at all.

  • Tommy2cat

    This is all music to my ears 🙂

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    I hope they’re on the ropes. Getting the Wilpons to sell would be as exciting as winning the pennant!

  • Magic_Loogie

    Sell the teeeeeaaaam, clap clap, clap clap clap

  • Michael Armato

    Amen to that..Jeff is chump !

  • MetsFAN660

    With ya!

  • VfJ

    let’s hope that the antipathy Mets fans hold for this ownership is finally settling in…

    Mets are a wasted asset under this regime…let’s ask this question…

    Would you be more likely to buy season tickets if…

    a) Mets traded for a good hitter ?

    b) Team was sold to new owners ?

  • 1harris1

    Without a doubt, the latter.

    And really, Saul Katz should continue to lose money so that his nephew can one day have full control over the team? This while his own kids apparently have no interest in getting involved in the baseball business? Yeah, sure Fred.

    This story definitely bears worth watching.

  • mad met

    Lol that was a good one 🙂

  • MetsManiac41

    The best thing that can happen for us fans is for the arrogant and thin-skinned Wilpons to continue losing $$ hand over fist. Yes, they should sell. They are MLB’s most hated owners. Nelson Doubleday was a smart man to get away from these clowns while he had the chance.