It’s Official, Wilmer Flores Will Join Mets Friday

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The Mets have made it official and announced that shortstop Wilmer Flores will be called up and activated in time for Friday’s game against the Phillies. Flores will replace Omar Quintanilla who was designated for assignment on Wednesday.

The red-hot Flores had three more hits tonight including a double and two RBIs to lift his average to .307 for Triple-A Las Vegas.

Over his last ten games, Flores is batting .444 with a 1.278 OPS in 27 at-bats with four home runs and 13 RBIs. An excellent run producer throughout his pro career, Flores has 25 RBI and 20 runs scored In 28 games this season. He has started 24 of those games at shortstop.

While you never know with Terry Collins, I would expect the 22-year old Flores to play everyday with Ruben Tejada sliding into a backup role.

Tejada has struggled mightily at the plate and is hitting .183 this season with only two extra-base hits in 99 plate appearances this season.

Ideally, we could see Tejada used as a late-inning defensive replacement as while Flores continues to work on improving his  defense at short. However, many scouts and evaluators have said Flores has made great strides.

Yesterday, assistant general manager John Ricco said that Flores has been fine defensively.

“All the reports we’re getting from there is he’s making all the routine plays,” Ricco said. “He’s not going to be a plus defender by any stretch, but he’s held his own defensively.”

I’m pretty excited to see how Flores impacts the Mets lineup with his dynamic offensive skills. Before severely injuring his ankle last season, the Mets won five of six games after Flores was called up and he tied a Mets record with nine RBI in his first six games – also accomplished by Mike Jacobs in 2005.

My fervent hope is that Collins puts Flores in a position to succeed. We’ll see…

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  • PessiMets

    it took them long enough!
    if flores is coming up he better be starting!

  • MyasDaddy

    How about we designate the whole entire roster for assignment.

  • amarksupreme

    Flores pretty please!!

  • billpulsipher

    DFA Tejada and Valverde while you are at it

  • Joanie Yan

    Just a hunch but I bet they bring up Seratelli.
    Replace one scrub with another one.

  • Chris H

    If it is Flores coming up he has to start that’s it. Can’t platoon him and garbage Tejada

  • MikePiazza3186

    Flores will be worlds better with the bat then what we got from Ruben!!! It better be him

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Good bout time, better be Flores coming up and start him immediately. He can’t be any worse defensively then Q and Tejeda. And if the kid bats .230 with a few homeruns it will be a major offensive upgrade, so no pressure Flores you literally couldn’t be any worse then what we have currently been getting out of short.

  • MikePiazza3186

    No way sandy knows that wouldn’t last…my thinking is his hand has been forced here and they need Flores bat at ss right now!!!

  • mextache

    You can at least start with the bullpen.

  • MikePiazza3186

    Go penguins!!!!

  • kw_all

    this is good news.. flores finally gets his shot.

  • MikePiazza3186

    Best news in a while and I think this was the plan for 2014 it will be a year where if you don’t produce you get the boot!!some of the fossils in the bullpen will be gone soon as well

  • Same old Mets

    They designate Quintanilla, that’ll solve everything. Alderson using him as a scapegoat to make a move before home stand begins. He’s just looking to keep fans coming to Citifield and figured he had to do something. I’m one step ahead of you Sandy.

  • Destry

    Rueben Tejada is hitting .131/.254/.148 vs RHP. The sad thing about that is that it includes 4 intentional BB because he bats in front of the pitcher. Technically, he isn’t hitting the ball quite as good as those miniscule numbers suggest. We might have designated the wrong SS.

  • Chris H

    You wanna shake things up Sandy go out and get Matt Kemp now

  • Destry

    Q has actually produced more than Tejada.

  • Destry

    You don’t platoon two righties.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    to make space for Wilmer, maybe Sandy is gonna trade David Wright to the Orioles for Manny Ma..hahahahhaha

    nope Baltimore wouldnt make that trade…

  • Peter S

    Kemp is not the answer.

  • jdon48

    can they send him to Single A? That is his level.

  • Peter S

    If it’s not Flores I might just stop watching the mets.

  • jdon48

    So fans will come to Citi because Omar is gone? Or because Wilmer is coming? Please.

  • NewYorkMammoths
  • Super T

    Yeah, good thing we didn’t waste any money on Drew, because we all know he wouldn’t have made much of a difference, smh!

  • Joanie Yan

    Well tonight in Vegas, Wilmer is playing – Seratelli is not.

  • Same old Mets

    The Wilpons might go for ex yankee Steve Kemp because he’s at least 55. No way on Matt Kemp because that would be spending money.

  • Tango01

    Well Flores is currently playing in a game and has 2 rbi’s today. Curious to see if they yank him in a couple innings.

  • Destry

    I bet we would have 8 more wins if we would’ve signed Drew and not let Terry Collins come to the games.

  • mad met

    Can he take grandy with him he did have a higher avg

  • billpulsipher

    Kemp is hitting, he isnt going anywhere…you want Ethier and his .230 BA and 70 million dollar deal?

  • NYM86

    Let’s go!! 3-1!

  • Finally, the Mets are going to call up their hottest right hand hitting SS these last 10 days that can also pick it at SS. W. Tovar.

    🙂

  • billpulsipher

    in typical Alderson clueless idiot fashion, here comes Seratelli to the rescue

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Why would they? We’re off tomorrow

  • Bail4Nails

    Boooooo!

  • Super T

    Just don’t get so many fans that were so against signing Stephen Drew, but yet continually complain about Tejeda, Q, the Mets not doing anything, and the woeful offense.

  • Peter S

    I don’t want ethier.

  • Tango01

    You wouldn’t want the guy getting injured before getting here.

  • Hotstreak
  • Same old Mets

    Its just a business ploy by Alderson. He could have dfa Quintanilla a week ago but he didn’t. He’s only doing it now because they are coming home and the Wilpons want the seats filled. Actually I would get rid of Tejada and keep Quintanilla

  • billpulsipher

    is it possible for a AAA team to replace a major league team…like make the 51s the ML team, and designate the entire Mets roster as a AAA team…cuz if the Mets played their AAA team right now, they would get smoked

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    I don’t want either.

  • Super T

    At the very least it could have made the 2.5 games of difference we’re behind in the standings.

  • NYM86

    I can’t keep this White Sox game on. Watching Abreu rake is making me depressed.

  • MyasDaddy

    How about Terry Collins

  • KMO82

    Better be Flores and if it is he better play everyday. If he comes up and TC still starts Tejada I’ll be pissed. You don’t call him up unless he is your new SS, not a bench piece. That being said, even with a DH tonight in AAA the Mets can’t get Puello into the lineup so who knows what this organization is doing anymore.

  • Anthony Delgado *17 WS Champs*

    TC: Tejada has been here longer… Florres needs to learn from Tejada

  • MetsFanSantaMonica

    These comments are amazing. All along it’s – bring up Flores, bring up Flores – even though he was just getting acclimated at SS and hadn’t been hitting. Now they (potentially) are bringing him up and it’s “what took them so long.” Y’all are gonna give yourselves aneurysms.

  • Lotus1209

    Not seeing Puellos name on the lineup irritates me to no end.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Wilmer Flores > Troy Tulowitzki
    Wilmer Flores > Hanley Ramirez
    Wilmer Flores > Ernie Banks
    Wilmer Flores > Honus Wagner
    Wilmer Flores > Cal Ripken
    Wilmer Flores > Derek Jeter
    Wilmer Flores > Nomar Garciaparra
    Wilmer Flores > Alex Rodriguez(while he is JUICED)

    FACTS!!!!

  • now you sound like a Mets fan

  • how much you wanna bet you’re wrong about this too?

  • Fast Eddie

    I wish we could sign Drew immediately. I actually think most of us here let up on Tejada a little bit because he made 3 or 4 good plays in the field, but lets face it, he’s a borderline major leaguer at best…and that’s being kind.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Youre comment is canceled out by the fact that the Mets DID bring up Wilmer Flores when Tejada was out early this year.

    So acclimation or lack of hitting wasnt the reason. Flores always hit and he destroyed AAA last year. One of the youngest in the league and one of the best hitters there.

  • Bail4Nails

    I’m not sure if you’ve been paying attention, but the Mets just got crushed on the road trip. Not only is this a couple Months too late, it should’ve been accompanied by a “here come DeGrom and Montero” announcement.
    It’s good to know our GM is still alive, but this is nothing more than a weak attempt to get some tickets sold for the Home Stand.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Youre right it might be Dany Muno called up instead :p

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    And here I thought all mets fans were different….I wasnt aware All Mets fans sounded alike.

    I guess its part of the new cookie cutter Alderson approach.
    -All hitters must bat like this(DRAW WALKS)
    -All fans must be bumbling fools and support the moves the dumb owner,GM and manager makes just because.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Now I have to call you “Jelly.”

  • Fast Eddie

    Sign Stephen Drew…please.

  • Kevin H

    Agreed. Was just about to post the same thing. If they promote him to be Tejada’s back-up, I may have a stroke. However, nothing surprises me with this organization anymore.

  • I was thinking they’d sign Mike Bordick

  • Hotstreak

    BBLB: Look we don’t tolerate Wheeler is better than Harvey.
    We don’t tolerate DW is a HOFer

    Let’s see, but you very well could be right but Banlks, Ripken. Jeter and Wagner had HOF careers.

  • Kevin H

    Nice. I can’t stop laughing. My wife must think I’m nuts.

  • This team is going to win 92 games. Thanks Sandy. I am going to name my next child after you

  • Bail4Nails

    Question: Why send out a Tweet that you’re demoting a player, without any announcement of who is replacing him? They could’ve made this a positive announcement w/ Quintanilla’s demotion an afterthought.
    I’ve never taken a class in Public Relations, but I’m pretty sure the Mets’ PR Department is the Worst ever in Sports History. Did we sign retreads from the Cigarette Companies?

  • Waz0787

    Booo a disaster waiting to happen. Flores and murphy DP combo hurts to think about it. Alderson dont promote him.

  • well, it’s like a person who claims to be a Christian yet doesn’t believe in Jesus. That’s like you, but with the Mets.

  • LoL, Don’t you think calling your child God is a bit extreme? 😉

  • would you say that Flores-Murphy are the Waz0787 posts of double play tandems?

  • metsjetsfan

    What they bring offensively outweighs what they will do defensively.

  • well, I’d spell it with a lower-case g. Duh

  • Waz0787

    Excuse you my post are like ozzie smith playing SS.

  • Flatbush0460

    All I can say is its about time. The downside to this move is the kid will be managed by the rookie killer, Collins.

  • MattHarvey’sEgo

    According to Rubin, he’s hearing that it’s pretty concrete that Flores is getting his shot. Good. Glad the Mets aren’t putting it off.

  • Bail4Nails

    What if his name is Christian though?

  • Nymetfan86

    I read these posts and it seems like everyone is an expert but they always complain no matter what happens. I think the fan base is messed up more than the FO

  • Flatbush0460

    I was gonna name mine after Collins, but Dumbass didnt seem appropriate for my child

  • he probably spells it with a K like that Kommie Khris Davis

  • BronxMets

    badebadleroybrown<=retard

  • seems utterly appropriate, actually.

    sorry, too easy 😉

  • Bail4Nails

    I hope he does #4 proud (see Dykstra, Ventura; do not see Cowgill)

  • Peter

    This was always gonna happen, Flores needed to go down and play short in the minors for a month or two. The hope was Tejeda would hit enough to keep him down there to work on his defense for as long as possible. Well the time is now, and there should be no mix and match and still in play talk. Flores should play everyday and tejeda moved to the bench. Tejeda can play second and short and will make a good back up. Good luck to Flores and hopefully this bullpen fix is coming quick. Mejia to closer, degrom, and black to bullpen, and Montero in rotation in rotation.

  • yep, old.

  • Hope you enjoyed your time as a starter, RT. I can’t see Sandy just replacing your backup

  • Flatbush0460

    Absolutely, why promote the kid then sit him on the bench? He needs to play, even if it’s in AA

  • metsjetsfan

    No. Just, no.

  • mad met

    Tehada is not exactly ozzie smith out there

  • Waz0787

    Why can’t the mets promote Dykstra. Dude was drafted after davis. It’s not like duda is on fire.

  • metsjetsfan

    Maybe they reacquired Jose Reyes! 😉

  • if Flores is the guy who gets called up and he struggles, it’s going to be all about how Terry set him up for failure.

  • BronxMets

    if anyone thinks Flores is going to solve our problems you are a moron

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Finally the madness ends! Now we just have to endure about two weeks of watching Terry start Tejada over Flores for no apparent reason.

  • Bail4Nails

    Well said. Funny how we Met fans are already expecting some stupid future Management decision (benching Flores), to ruin a rare bit of good news from our Organization. These guys have some serious work to do to restore their Reputation.

  • BronxMets

    really why don’t you rate Tejada defensively……..

  • Captain America

    Trade?

  • muskytoes

    It’d be funny if they promoted Tovar from AA.

  • what’s the precedent for that?

  • Waz0787

    Tejeda is a professional baseball player smh

  • if you don’t think that improving on what has been mostly an automatic out the entire season is a good thing, you might be the moron

  • BronxMets

    moron

  • As Bail already mentioned, Well said.

  • brilliant

  • BronxMets

    tryt to stay on topic and not go off on a tangent like a bimbo 18 year old

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Yes he gets paid to play baseball.

  • mynewdisqusname

    Rubin’s saying it’s Flores.

    EDIT – I’m about 10 mins late it looks like

  • Waz0787

    Where is that dude that shut u up. Yesterday I miss him.

  • Bail4Nails

    If this is followed by Bullpen call ups, then TC for Wally/Lopez, and Hudgens for Anyone who’s ever been a Successful Hitter (Fonzie?), then we’re headed in a good direction. But yeah, this is a baby step.

  • Waz0787

    That’s TC favorite line.

  • Nymetfan86

    Satin and Lutz tear up AAA pitching too but I don’t see them raking in the show

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Really? The very fact that Flores outperformed Tejada in ST, but Tejada got the job anyway. TC has also shown a preference for under performing veteran talent at other positions too.

  • ah the one who kept making assertions and whined about how I wouldn’t agree that his baseless assertions were correct? Then complained when I responded to things he said to me? Yeah, you really liked that guy. Can’t imagine why… oh, probably because you’re both mouthbreathing chuckleheads

  • George_Theodore

    wow!

  • Hotstreak

    Swaboda wore it too.

  • what if I am a bimbo 18 year old though?

  • ah yes, Ruben Tejada. The grizzled veteran.
    How many starts has EY gotten over JL?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Have to agree with you there on both accounts.

    Him being a moron is common knowledge as well

  • Mike Lloyd

    So did Staub in his 1st go-round

  • BronxMets

    that would explain your comments and lack of intelligence.

  • metsjetsfan

    Gavin Cecchini was 2-5 tonight with a HR and 3 RBIs. Now has more HRs this year than he did in his first 2 years combined. That’s nice to see! Let’s hope he continues to get better throughout the year.

  • metsjetsfan

    More than he should have? 😉

  • metsjetsfan

    Wow, you are a ray of sunshine, aren’t you?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Thats the dumbest insult ever.

    Im pretty sure EVERYONE breathes through their mouths(along with their noses).

    Hell we’re on a baseball site athletes breathe through their mouths all game.

  • Captain America

    A couple?

  • it would. You know what else would explain it? Your inability to understand what I say

  • KennyandtheMets

    He will be an improvement on offense. Defensively, probably not. But Tejsda isn’t helping on D either.

  • Not David Wright. Heard of breathatarians? Yeah, well, he’s even beyond them. His entire being is a single positive biofeedback machine that thrives on its own awesome and emits only pure, unmitigated awesome as a byproduct

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Only if he does his usual Terry thing of playing him once every three days, and benching him each time he has a good game.

  • the dude makes you look like me.

  • Rocky Thompson

    Flores is playing a game this evening. That is probably why they did not announce who is being called up.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Oh crap Mike Puma is saying that a source told him Gavin Cecchini will replace Quintanilla.

    ……….wait this just in from Puma…a jar of Skippys peanut butter will replace Q….Bartolo is excited and has prepared the locker next to him for said jar.

  • one or 2. Yeah. In an entire 5 weeks of a season

  • Bail4Nails

    I forgot Duke Snyder as well, apologies. Though I think our next good First Baseman should get #4 when he gets here. He already has the name Dykstra, so it’s only fair.

  • that’s how you make sure all the do-goodness doesn’t spill out

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Why would you insult me by saying I look like you at ANYTIME.

    Thats enough to make a man commit suicide

  • I love seeing who upvotes things. Color me shocked.

  • metsjetsfan

    Now sources have told him they will instead go with the stop and shop brand of peanut butter because it is more cost effective.

  • have you ever seen a freshly shorn scrotum? Really quite breathtaking

  • mr1313

    About time. It will bring some interest back.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    To bad right now he looks like the Byproduct of my cats big meal in the litter box

  • Peter

    Yeah well he did say the same thing about Foores, it seems to be a matter of just not handing players the job. If he hits he plays, if he struggles Tejeda will get some at bats, but hopefully the just let Flores take his lumps and I think he will.

  • NewYorkMammoths

  • Nolrog

    If it’s Flores, then they are well on their way to building the worst defensive infield in the majors.

  • ah, you’re one of those cat guys huh? Explains everything

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Yes, despite Tejada seeming to lack experience, this is his fifth major league season, which would make him a veteran. I would EYJ has gotten a hand full of starts over Lagares.

  • Peter

    Ok anyone on board with Campbell for Satin at this point as well?

  • Wolfmicky21

    Q for Stanton?

  • bah, that ship has saile… err hobbled away

  • metsjetsfan

    That and Montero/deGrom for Farnsworth/Valverde

  • Flatbush0460

    Water is wet

  • mattbalasis

    Could be Seratelli? He’s a BB machine! lol … just kidding … it’ll be Flores.

  • I hope it’s Omar (or Nomar) just to see the reaction

  • Bail4Nails

    What are the dashes for? I see them all the time on here, usually after a stupid comm….never mind.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Which troll was this, my friend?

  • I’d take you over Satin at this point.

  • Flatbush0460

    Not scoring in two and a half games sure isn’t helping much at all either

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    I love a good catsh!t joke.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    On Disqus you’re not allowed to post only a picture, you have to enter at least two characters.

  • Flatbush0460

    If he knocks in 80 and gives away 20 I can live with that

  • mattbalasis

    Actually I heard it’s a pair of slightly used windshield wipers for a 2006 dodge caravan …

  • Calls himself “The Nihilist”. Seemed like a less frothy Alex. “Long time reader, first time poster – here are some #core talking points”.
    Says “with all due respect” a lot and thinks that makes him civil.

  • mattbalasis

    He’s the kid who wore himself out and had to go to the Dr because he was getting up in the middle of the night and pulling train ties across a field right?

  • Waz0787

    He has more HR than David Wright.

  • MyasDaddy

    OT: the 30 for 30 about the NFL Draft of 1983 is fantastic!

  • billpulsipher

    sign Drew. sandy failed miserably by ignoring Drew all offseason. once again sandy thought he could reinvent the game and outsmart everybody and once again he failed. Mets SS this season..WORST IN MLB…

  • Flatbush0460

    Seconded

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    It’s different. Satin and Lutz have been in AAA since the Carter administration.

  • Andrew Herbst

    It’s about time. Hopefully this means Flores is getting called up.

  • metsjetsfan

    WHAT? When do you hear that?

  • Waz0787

    I don’t get it. Q can actually hit and hi a fielder than Tejeda. I rather have Q in the bench over Tejeda who I believe has no place in professional baseball

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Jose Abreu

    3 for 4 today with 2 doubles and 2runs…

    Just saying………………………………….

  • it’s baseball golf

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Hey, my friend. Nice work the other day on the Mejia nonsense.

  • YouBHatin

    Begrudgingly, Ba1derson reaches down for one of Omar Minaya’s crown jewels to help him avoid a win total less than 70 games..LOL.

  • Rocky Thompson

    I speculated 7 hours ago that Tovar, who is hitting .350 and held out of today’s AA game may be heading to Binghamton with Flores getting a call up. While I am interested to see how Flores plays for the Mets, I am also interested to see how Tovar (assuming he gets the call) plays at AAA.

  • billpulsipher

    another sandy failure…1st base…

  • KennyandtheMets

    Absolutely nothing to lose. Flores probably isn’t an every day SS, but neither is Tejada or Q.

  • Guest

    is Flores going to pitch the 8th or 9th innings? just wondering..cuz you know, there’s that little problem area on the team as well which the genius sandy has failed to address

  • tacknaf

    i was excited until I realized you are probably right. But not before Terry names Flores the starter, THEN starts Tejada all week.

  • YouBHatin

    Those Ba1derson scouts…LMFAO

  • $14435385

    Yes, we get it. We all wanted him, and Sandy didn’t get him. Let’s please all move on…

  • Waz0787

    It still doesn’t change anything our offense is horrible. Double play combo will be fun to watch. I am going to have flashback Vizquel and Alomar turning Two.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Oh, my–could you imagine?

  • Waz0787

    Houston were idiots.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Epic failure by the Wilponderson regime.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Nope, I have dogs as well but their Sh!t isnt as potent as the cat.

    P.S. I like all animals especially the ones whom are good hunters.

  • billpulsipher

    where did all the abreu haters who were laughing at him on this blog a few weeks ago go? the ones who said he sucks and is a .180 hitter…manhattan mets fan in particular

  • tacknaf

    how nice would those 12 HR and 35 RBI look in our lineup? smh. but first from the apologists it was “He’s unproven, remember Shinjo???” now it’s “the league will adjust” what’s gonna be their next excuse? “It’s half a year, doesn’t mean anything….”

  • billpulsipher

    watching murph and flores and duda kick balls around will be a good laugh

  • Peter

    Farns is actually pitching well, he deserves to stay until he completely falls apart, but not as a closer. I’ve convinced myself it should be Mejia strictly because of need, his stuff plays great in that role, and the Mets are loaded with young starting pitching and they still have Dice K. It makes to much sense. I’d say the first moves shoukd be , mejia to closer, Montero yo 5th spot, Black for Valverde, Campbell for Satin.

  • goorru

    So is the one on the Pistons bad boys

  • KennyandtheMets

    Not everyone. There were quite a few Alserson sheep who kept telling me that Abreu was too big a risk. A little, “we told you so”, is in order.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    been there for 2 weeks

  • Guest

    we can move on when they get a 1st baseman who isnt horrible

  • KennyandtheMets

    I know. I asked Manhattan about that the other day. No response.

  • Waz0787

    He works for the mets or dude takes drugs I need to get my hands on. According to him this organization is perfect also wright is the greatest 3b of all time.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    As usual they are hiding with Saddam Hussein when they are proven wrong.

    They talk a lot of sh!t in the offseason but it immediately stops when the season starts.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/focus/xinsrc_6edb5d4797104795a5370e91360749f2_saddam.jpg

  • KennyandtheMets

    Duda isn’t playing that badly, IMO. However, we need a legit slugger at 1B. That’s what Abreu is.

  • Start Flores every day for the next 3 weeks. That plus what he’s done at AAA should be enough to determine if to pursue Drew after June 1 and how hard

  • Waz0787

    You shut his mouth. Thank You from bottom of my heart. He is full of crap.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Awesome. The usual fools have been mailing it in lately, anyway. It’s always good when we can give a scrappy young fool a shot at the big time.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Uhmmmmmm…..NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Ive been hearing about bad moves by Omar Minaya all through his firing in 2010 to present day. Sandy book is just starting

  • WGmets

    where’s teddy klein when you need him? not appropriate for this family site sir.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I saw your post about that Rocky. Nice call. Hopefully, Tovar will continue to hit. He is next in line if Flores fails at SS.

  • I’m right here. I was laughing when you putzes were cheering him a few days into the season only to shut up when he slumped. It’s a long season, trevor. He could very well perform at a high level all season. He still wasn’t a reasonable risk to take for this team at this time but I don’t expect you to understand this because you’ve never shown that you understand anything about baseball

  • Captain America

    Pitcher mike Stanton?

  • actually, according to me the org makes a good number of mistakes, I despise ownership, can appreciate what the baseball people are trying to do and D-Wright is on pace for a historically excellent offensive career for a 3B.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Slumping??? dude had 11 homers and 30 something RBI’s that month. Thats almost ALL of Lucas Dudas production ALL of last year wrapped into a MONTH

    Hahaha…I’ll take that slumping any and everyday

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Or this guy….

  • ahh, Waz and billpulsipher(nee trevordunn). The wondertwins of stupid.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Are you ready to admit that you were wrong about Jose Abreu?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    When Wilmer Flores career is over he will break all of the Mets positional players records.

    FACTS!!!

  • Waz0787

    He better take a walk every game.

  • I do love it when you children talk about “sheep” and “Sandy Lovers” and mistake that for biting wit and commentary. He was a poor risk for a team with multiple holes and a limited payroll.

  • Bobby O

    At this point, it should be open tryout at SS, right down the line – 1st Flores, then Tovar, then Reynolds if no SS is brought in from the outside.

  • Waz0787

    Don’t start with this dude. He gets paid by jeffrey to write crap. No point

  • Would love to see Flores come up and get a shot but word on the street is that they signed Bobby Jenks.

  • yeah, slumping. Ya know, that week or 2 when you guys inexplicably stopped posting daily updates?

  • El tiempo de La Tortuga!
    Viva La Tortuga por SS!

  • billpulsipher

    rey ordonez not available?

  • SinHalo27

    Flores should have broke camp with the NYM. Didn’t need an advanced scouting team to find out Tejada/Q were not going to be Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel. Could have cut bait with 1 or both and not have it bite you in the @$$ at all. Flores lengthens the line-up too, minimizes dead spots. Flores drove in runs last year when they plugged him in… no reason to think he won’t continue to be the rbi machine he has been for years. People want to give him a bum rap for not producing on a busted ankle but won’t say how he was knocking in runs all over the place. If you want to sacrifice D for offense…maybe time to start looking at the catcher position. TdA has show very little and the pitchers do better when Recker is behind the plate.

    Here’s what Flores did up to the time he hurt his ankle….

  • Waz0787

    More like Mike Bordick

  • billpulsipher

    anyone who thinks garbage like lucas duda and josh satin is a better choice over Abreu doesnt know anything about baseball…but in 4 months when Abreu has his 35 HR and 120 RBI, you and the sandy lovers can talk about Duda’s .220 BA and 13 HR and 45 RBI and discuss how the “risks werent worth taking at this juncture”….sandy alderson speak……fact is Abreu proved to be legit and Duda/Satin turned out to be a disaster and sandy and his merry minions proved to be fools who got outsmarted by a 100 loss white sox team

  • YouBHatin

    We want Monnnnn teeeeeeee roooooooo!

  • muskytoes

    Wilmer needs a better nickname.

  • Waz0787

    Dude your the minor league “expert” here at mmo. Do you honestly believe flores can play SS?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Tejada must be thinking I wasted how much of my own money at fatcamp and it didnt work. No refunds eh?

    Tejada was visibly ticked off in clubhouse after the game; would not be shocked if he was told he is headed to the bench.— Mike Puma (@NYPost_Mets) May 8, 2014

    Wonder if the visibly ticked off thing had anything to do with the Mets losing AGAIN and being swept????

    Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, these are the Lifeless Mets they dont care about winning or losing what am I saying.

  • are you ready to admit that you were wrong about Benny Agbyani and face up to the fact that he IS one of the greatest players we’ve ever had?

    See, Benny had a .357/.432/.786 slash line with 10HRs 30 games into his rookie season

  • YouBHatin

    The Saberbuffoons are anti-Flores because Flores is titled an “rbi machine”. They hate RBIs for some unknown reason..lol

  • you do understand that the only people who don’t instantly think “This guy is a moron” when you use the phrase “Sandy Lover” are other morons, right?

  • He found out that the Chico Escuela comeback is no longer a rumor…

  • sperry

    Melvin Mora tho

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Was Told Tejada would remain in the mix at shortstop. But it sure sounds like he won’t be the only one seeing time there.— Marc Carig (@MarcCarig) May 8, 2014

    Terry Collins already working his magic by pissing in the punch bowl

  • are you kidding? Can you think of a better Scared Straight-Stay in School mascot than this dude?

  • billpulsipher

    “Abreu wasnt a reasonable risk worth taking at this juncture in our development” sandy and his clones speak

  • sperry

    How is this kid not thanking his friggin lucky stars that a major league team would even play him for this long? He’s so, so awful.

  • billpulsipher

    I think the Lucas Duda experiment will work out tho..maybe in year 10 he will develop…so far this is year 4

  • Met lifer

    It is a odd move cutting Q over Tejada. Q is experienced being a back up. Not that either one is a great loss. They are almost identical defensively. They probably make similar money. But, if you think Tejada isn’t hitting now, wait til he plays once a week back up. Tejada does profile as backup at best’ but doesn’t know the job. Keeping Q makes more sense.

  • Harvard law school grad and other intelligent people get it, I don’t. HAHA, aren’t they stupid!

  • I think he’ll keep up what he’s been doing. League average 1B, give or take.

  • Waz0787

    Freaking Steve Phillips

  • No, I don’t believe he’s a long term solution. it’s open tryouts. It’s funny, because as you’ve noticed, they’re trying every internal option, and i’ve been told by internal sources that they’re giving multiple players opportunities at SS.

    Then again, I don’t believe Nick Franklin is, either, or Wilfredo Tovar, Didi Gregorious, Matt Reynolds. Maybe Owings, (but that’d take a king’s ransom).

    By the way, it’s you’re, and thanks for putting me at “expert”, but i’m not THE expert, there’s questions I can answer, but there’s also Pete, Mitch, David and Connor, and a few others.

    Have a nice day!

  • I love it still.

  • billpulsipher

    welcome to the mets. the graveyard for washed up players and never will be’s

  • Amen

  • Met lifer

    They should also be cutting Valverde or farnsworth and bringing up Black.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Oh please! Now your pulling Benny Agbyani out of you ass?! Come on ! You have to do better than that. Abreu leads the league in HRs with TWELVE. He is second in RBIs with THIRTY-FIVE. We would be in first place in the division right now if we had him.

  • metsjetsfan

    Should I now go out and buy my Flores shirt?

  • Chris H

    Plus Q would have been another left handed bat off the bench to have would have sent Tejada down also.

  • Soon, Jim, soon.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Who needs fancy book learnin’, anyway?

  • you cannot POSSIBLY say we’d be in first with Abreu in the lineup. Secondly, the point with Benny is no, I am not ready to crown Abreu King Stud quite yet. Benny tore up the league through 30+ games until they figured him out. While it is doubtful that Benny had the natural ability that Abreu has, the point stands. Let’s see how he’s doing at the ASB

  • Phoenix Met

    “He still wasn’t a reasonable risk to take for this team at this time”

    Really Manhattan? Not being sarcastic with you at all. Why do you believe that? You’ve seen Duda and Satin and Davis all play, yes?

  • PessiMets

    I was thinking the same exact thing, why not just demote Tejada to aaa, I’m sure he still has options. I’m also not going to lose any sleep because Q is gone

  • T Boogy

    I’m sure it’s Flores coming up but I will laugh my ass off if it’s Seratelli. Haha

  • sure. And I had NEVER seen Abreu play against MLers.
    The risk was too great, the holes too many and the budget too light to risk pouring that much into one guy who was high risk/reward

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    From a financial standpoint, I think he’s right. Too much risk for a broke team to assume, esp. since they had some inexpensive in-house options/depth at that position.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I just LOVE(sarcasm) the way the NY MESS attempt to drum up excitement after an abysmal stretch where they ended it by being swept by the Marlins and pushed back under a .500 record.

    The #Mets will designate infielder Omar Quintanilla tomorrow in anticipation of another roster move.— New York Mets (@Mets) May 8, 2014

    In ANTICIPATION of ANOTHER roster move…Really?

    Who TF wrote this Carly Simon??? lol…

  • Bobby O

    Because Ruben is out of options and the Mets would have to outright him

  • Phoenix Met

    Noted, thanks.

  • They can’t announce it until FloreSS is done playing.

  • Met lifer

    Like we would be losing something?

  • PessiMets

    Abreu, Cruz and drew song with granderson was who I wanted this offseason. Everybody killed me on Cruz

  • KennyandtheMets

    Children? Seriously??
    Just admit you were wrong about Abreu and move on already. I teach 3rd graders. Actual children. My students have a lot of trouble admitting it when they are wrong. Show that YOU aren’t a child and face the truth.

  • Phoenix Met

    “From a financial standpoint” I couldn’t read much past that, the tears of sadness and delayed acceptance of that sentence blurred my vision =)

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Tejada is better than Q….And younger so he can improve…Yes its hard to believe but even Tejada can improve.

    I think he was always destined to be a backup MI for 2B/SS its the perfect role for him. No pressure no expectations. And he will make the most of his sporadic playing time.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    You had to say it…:)

  • Met lifer

    Exactly unless they pull him from game.

  • Waz0787

    I was trying to be polite damned people these days smh with the attitude lol

  • PessiMets

    That’s the problem the money. This team can’t risk anything right now, but that just weakens them going forward. The mets needed to take on more risk this past offseason, the fans were demanding it and now it’s coming to a head

  • KennyandtheMets

    The payroll argument is lame too. Abreu would have brought in way more than his salary in ticket sales and merchandise this year.

  • Phoenix Met

    Dear Lord! Gotta do it to ya, even though I’m a fan of yours…gonna have to ask Joe D. to instill a 1 day drunk tank ban on you lol

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    They shouldnt have announced Quintanilla being demoted yet then, And if the player being called up in fact is Wilmer Flores.

    WHY ON EARTH HAVENT THEY PULLED HIM FROM THE GAME?!?!?!

    What if he mysteriously gets hurt??? Do you call up Saretelli or rescind on Qunintanillas demotion???

    DUMBA** Mets logic

  • goorru

    I bet it’s Buddy Carlyle 36 year old reliever.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    I wish we didn’t have to experience baseball through that lens.

    Say what you will about the Phillips/Omar eras, but even when we stunk, they landed big-ticket FAs. Boy, I was excited for Kaz Matsui. 🙂

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    QUESTION!!!!

    All this talk about Wilmer Flores being called up…well if that is the case

    WHY ON EARTH HAVENT THEY PULLED HIM FROM THE GAME?!?!?!

    What if he mysteriously gets hurt???

    Do you call up Saretelli or rescind on Qunintanillas demotion???

    DUMBA** Mets logic

    Thanks Sandy

  • Sorry, it’s just hard to take you seriously when you’re trying to take “credibility” from my so-called title.
    Sorry if it’s snark, I thought I was receiving it too.

  • I guess it would be an uncommon gamble. Nice that they’re taking such a scary risk.
    OR, OR, IT IS A TRADE!
    Dude, i’m just spitballing here, I don’t freaking know, i’m sure they just want FloreSS to get some extra work in, and to take some nice practice cuts.
    Either way, does it really matter? They could resign Quintanilla just as quickly, as I’m sure they’re going to do to backup in Vegas.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Teddy, hopefully this comes out right, but you’re expert enough to make sense out of this insanity. From my perspective, it’s greatly appreciated…

  • Met lifer

    Sorry, I don’t see it. I see him sulking versus making best of opportunities. But, the fan in me hopes your right.

  • taking a risk isn’t going to solve the money issues. Building a strong team on the cheap, however, can.

  • not if he sucks. Not if the rest of the team sucks. Sorry but you might find the payroll argument “lame” but it doesn’t make the Wilpons have the money

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Even when you make a good point you’re an obnoxious ass

  • KennyandtheMets

    Agreed.

  • Agreed, I think he’s a decent player, but not much can help him in Mets Fan’s graces now. I also think Reyes ruined us.

  • jerrymerized14

    It may end up being Seratelli,who has also been hot,just speculating

  • Waz0787

    Same question. I bought up earlier. This organization is run by idiotic fools.

  • Bobby O

    LOL- Maybe Wally just told whomever the hell with you. I’m trailing 4- zip after the 2nd inn. and you want me to pull my hottest hitter out of the game!

  • NewYorkMammoths

    BBLB, you gave me a lot of free entertainment tonight. Don’t ever change!

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    My thing is its just continued bad decision making. Smart teams think things through and make the best move, you know educated decisions.

    Thats why you form a braintrust of supposedly smart people and pay 3 former GM’s top dollar.

    Im not getting on you, just pointing out more poor judgement by this Alderson regime

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Lol…Wally would be fired in the 3rd inning

  • after a month… just like Benny Agbyani.

    Or better yet, a far more highly touted international player the Mets signed. Referred to as the Derek Jeter of Japan – a league that is more talented than Serie Nacional. He had a very nice start too. Sorry, as much as you really, REALLY need the vindication, I am going to withhold judgment on Abreu until he’s actually done it for a sustained period. As I said, Benny Agbyani did a whole helluva lot through his first 30 games of his rookie season too

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    😉 Lol…Dont plan on it

  • Doubt that, but he does protect and love his team.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LMFAO!

    Sometimes ALL TIMES being yourself supercedes pleasing others

  • KennyandtheMets

    Ok. Lets see how he is doing at the ASB. Looking forward to seeing you admit you were wrong. Of. course, you will probably say, “Let’s see how he finishes the year”. Right? As far as us being in first place with him, maybe I was pushing it. However, adding his numbers to this team would have been huge.

  • it ain’t fun but ignoring it and wondering why we don’t sign the Choos and Canos and pretending it’s because Sandy Alderson is an idiot others ain’t gonna change it

  • FalseHustle

    Even though you aren’t so bright, I commend your ability to somehow manage to write a complete sentence without spelling anything incorrectly.

    Why the ill-informed and ignorant attack on sabermetrics? Did a sabermetrician bully you when you were younger? Did your girlfriend cheat on you with a BABIP, or something? I’m trying to figure out why you’d insult people (Saberbuffoons? Good, cutting insult…..I guess) for absolutely no reason, and do so in response to a post that has almost no relation to the thing you are attacking. Isn’t that something that bullies and assholes do? Do you obsess every second over sabermetrics, waiting all day for the most nonsensical time to vent your rage? How much of your time is spent being angry at things you don’t understand?

    And….. do they really hate RBI? Or is that just something you heard somewhere? And if they think RBI (not RBIs, by the way) isn’t the most telling stat, do you really think it’s for “some unknown reason”? Reading just one article on the subject would explain exactly why they think RBI is an overrated stat. I don’t know; maybe it was just easier to spew ignorant garbage and then bask in the adulation of the few yokels around here who might agree with you.

    It’s fine not to like or understand something; it’s not fine to attack others because they like and understand it.

  • KennyandtheMets

    But he doesn’t suck. That’s the point. Any scout worth a dime could see he is a legit slugger.

  • Mike Lloyd

    Great post. Well stated.

  • don’t be insulted, Teddy. He’s not terribly “bright”

  • I mean, there’s a ton of ways that with Mets’ (and Baseball’s) Luck, a player can get injured from Vegas to here.
    He was scheduled for this game, probably wanted to play it.
    We all wanted him to be pulled after seeing him walk in such a cringing matter last year, but I think it was him who wanted to play that time. Probably wanted the same here, seems like a gamer, but it seems like no one asked about it.

  • goorru

    yup

  • Guest

    Thanks, I think?

  • Bail4Nails

    Would Flores just go into the 8 hole in the Lineup? I would love to see a Shakeup in the Lineup when he comes up.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I don’t need vindication from you. You are the one who called some of us children. I know children. Children don’t have the maturity to admit their mistakes. Instead, they turn to insulting others.
    You withhold judgement all you want. Abreu is a stud. Deep down, you know it is true. You are just stubbornly holding to your rhetoric.

  • Waz0787

    Another fact sadly Alderson hasn’t provided with a single pick from mlb draft that has reached the majors. It’s year #4 :-/

  • Destry

    Tejada is only a decent player if a LH is pitching. Against RH he is the worst player in baseball. .131/.254/.154 with 4 intentional BB by batting in front of the pitcher vs RHP. That’s the worst.

  • Sorry, was a little confused, 3 things on my mind. Thanks, much appreciated.

  • Bail4Nails

    Wish Wally could “protect and love” our team.

  • Destry

    Tejada -0.8 WAR. Ladies in gentlemen, he is the worst player in the game.

  • Met lifer

    I would think Tda to the 8 hole

  • cmj669

    With Flores What Would Lineup Look like?

  • Well if it is Flores that is called up let me just say welcome back.
    https://twitter.com/Mr_North_Jersey/status/450370850563178496

  • why would I deny he had a good season if he indeed does have a good season? Excellent through the ASB is a pretty good indication. Good bit of time for the league to get used to him. Again, I am not ready to declare him the next Frank Thomas after a month though you desperately want to for the validation.

  • TAPE_LGM_JETS

    On another note is puello hurt? Or Is he just rotten on the bench in AAA? This could be some disconnect between Wally and the organization. Just pure thought to throw out there. Unless he’s hurt of course then there goes my theory.

  • Met lifer

    Flores 7 Tda 8

  • Bail4Nails

    Nice! What are we now? #TeamMontero? or #TeamWally?

  • Then why do you want me to call Abreu awesome after an f-ing month of the season? It’s not stubborn. I didn’t say he sucked when he was batting .190 a few weeks ago. I am not going to say he’s awesome now. I also don’t think Granderson is gonna hit under .200 tonight. Do you? Wait, of course you do. Sandy Alderson signed him.

  • jimmy705

    I enjoy your loud declarations!

  • #Floresdians?

  • Destry

    1. J. Lagares-CF R
    2. D. Murphy-2B L
    3. D. Wright-3B R
    4. L. Duda-1B L
    5. C. Young-RF R
    6. C. Granderson-LF L
    7. T. d’Arnaud/A. Recker-C R
    8. W. Flores-SS R

    Having Lucas Duda batting 6th in the lineup is about the dumbest thing Ive ever seen. Lets put our one guy that gets on base consistently in front of a rookie C batting .200, a SS that takes a needle to the plate instead of a bat, and the pitchers spot thats 0-54. Lets not put him in front of CY or Grandy, who aren’t going to get on base, but may actually hit a HR every now and then.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Understand your frustration. It’s like dealing with people who equate science with heathenism. While I claim to have limited understanding of the Saber world, any statistical measure that attempts to add a quality component to raw traditional numbers is a good thing. No system is perfect, but to dismiss sabermetrics outright at this late date seems a bit shortsighted…

  • Bail4Nails

    Best Lineup I’ve seen all year. Nice work Destry, you’re the New Manager, as long as you can start Immediately.

  • ed charles

    It’s the same old same old. Same old clueless Collins, and leaderless Mets. Year after year, there’s no over-achievement EVER with this guy. He clearly doesn’t motivate hitters, the bullpen looks frightened everytime they take the mound and our young players seem hesitant and uncertain — with the exception of Lagares,

  • Destry

    Its funny because he is attacking something he doesn’t understand. Nevermind trying to learn it. I find it comical that people that understand saber, obviously understand standard stats also, yet people who don’t understand saber somehow think they know more. Seems a bit backward, No?

  • KennyandtheMets

    I supported the Granderson signing and I won’t back track. I think Curtis will come around. I sure hope so.

  • THIS IS THE BEST DAY EVER….ok, just in the last few weeks. #TeamFlores

  • #FloreSS!

  • KennyandtheMets

    Ok. So we will revisit this at the ASB.

  • Destry

    Im in. Let me know when I can start. Im also not going to leave my damn pitcher in 3 batters after he should’ve exited the game.

  • DrDooby

    Especially since the “saber vs old school scouting war” ended about a decade ago when both sides realized, they’re a lot better implementing knowledge of the other side.

  • Destry

    Hey Teddy. Did you hear about Jeff Hoffman from ECU is undergoing TJ surgery. He would’ve gone anywhere from 2-6 in the upcoming draft, and will likely slide like Giolito did a couple of years ago. I really want the Mets to take Bradley Zimmer or Trea Turner but, man it would be tough from me to pass of Hoffman if he is there knowing how routine of a surgery TJ is these days.

  • I am so happy.

  • Destry

    That’s my thing with Collins. Yes his in game management, and bullpen decision making the worst in the game, but can we see ONE guy improve from one year to the next under Collins. Just ONE. Hes made, Duda, Ike, Murphy, Tejada, Wright, Thole, Valdespin, Kirk, ALL worse.

  • Bail4Nails

    Jacob DeGrom just had his first bad outing of the season. He is now Officialy Ready for the Mets Bullpen.

  • Bail4Nails

    #TeamWally (while we’re promoting AAA guys)

  • Destry

    Agreed. How can everyone decline? Seriously? Every single position player? COme on?

  • Haha. Not sure why I’m laughing. It’s so sad.

  • Even the law of averages is against us.

  • Destry

    I mean. Chances are even if you’re the worst manager of all time, ONE player will get better. ONE GUY that rises above his manager’s incompetence, but he must have a mountain of incompetence to discourage even the strongest will power, and drive to succeed.

  • Bail4Nails

    Remember guys saying this?: “There is no way that Tejada can possibly perform worse than he did last year” — I loved reading that in the Offseason.

  • Destry

    Unreal. Its like he trying to make us worse. Is it possible that he is doing it on purpose. There is no logical, mathematical or scientific explanation.

  • Yeah, it’s been the buzz all day, but i’ve been avoiding here, haha.
    He was compared to freaking Verlander, I would love that, but Mets and first round arm risks? Would have been awesome to get Giolito, too a while ago. Thinking they go bat, which depending on it, would be pretty splendid.
    BA’s Mock Draft comes tomorrow, by the way, i’ll be on it as soon as I can for MMN.

  • Destry

    Man. I did an article about Stephen Drew with an entire paragraph about how bad Tejada was. Its not necessarily his skill, because I think he had a little bit of talent at one point, but he just doesn’t care. He has the work ethic of a paper weight.

  • Destry

    Are you coming around on Zimmer yet? Still like COnforto?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    How do you know whether he understand it or not???

    Most likely he understands it but still sees it as OVERKILL! And sees how some manipulate certain stats to portray a garbage player as solid because he shines in 1category but is terrible everywhere else.

  • Destry

    Im gonna completely ignore half the information and somehow think I know more than someone who understands all the info. How much sense does that make?

  • Chago liked Conforto, I’m okay on Zimmer, hoping that the Mets would be ballsy on my guy Harrison (i’ve always had it for the athletic outfielders, Phillip Ervin was my guy last year, and BA seems to love him)

    Not like Bleacherreport is too credible, but they did have one insane mock that had Alex Jackson falling to us, I think Dream On, but if that were the case, seriously, no brainer.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    You forgot to close your porn tab….

    Just kidding 😉 lol

  • Destry

    There is no way you can understand it, and not see that it is useful. It is not the end all be all, but it is more effective in evaluation of players in certain areas than just looking at standard statistics, and vice versa.

  • On the flip side to Bail4Nails,
    Vic Black struck out the side in the 10th to end the game.
    Announcement for FloreSS should come soon, or the morning.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    It’s time for this organization get behind a young player and really mean it. Let’s see what Flores, and Lagares for that matter, can do without TC’s paranoid hook hovering over them. I’ve said this before, and I’ll cop to psychobabble, but TC can’t get behind young players because he was never able to crack a big league roster. This guy is poison and needs to be managed himself…

  • Flatbush0460

    Can he please bring Wally with him? Pretty please?

  • Mike

    I totally agree and he has weird motivational tactics. I think he’s gunshy of criticizing a veteran since being petitioned out of his last gig yet whenever a young player makes the tiniest error he throws them under the bus. He’s too transparent w/the media, too impetuous w/his lineups and his bp management is nothing short if egregious. He pitches the same three guys till their arms fall off and then he turns to the 2/3 of the pen who hasn’t pitched in a week cause they’ve been in his “doghouse” and says “ok, go get em”

  • Destry

    Yeah. I would love to get Alex Jackson, but especially with Hoffman, I don’t think there is any way AJ falls to us at 10. Nick Gordon maybe, but I think they have to take a college bat at this point. High Schooler have a much lower ceiling, and if all 4 1st Rders end up busts, they’re in serious trouble. I think they have to play it a little safer on this pick. Harrison has some serious tools though. Only played baseball 2 years I think. Gettys is another guy with serious tools, but I see Bubba Starling with less bat.

  • Haha. No dice. All dreams don’t come true.

  • Flatbush0460

    Okay, maybe Flores can squeeze Wally into his carry on luggage. Who wouldn’t love to see Backman arrive with Flores?

  • I don’t think he’s trying to make us worse. I’m sad because I think he just can’t make us any better. At all. And even more sad because I really think he’s trying his best.

  • TAPE_LGM_JETS

    Oh wow…thank you Teddy this is Interesting…

  • Wait. If we squint, can we say Duda?? How about Murphy?? Oh oh. Got it. Lagares.

  • I don’t think it has worked well for us with “safe college picks” either though. Thinking BPA either way, with the highest upside.

  • Destry

    I don’t know. Duda crushed the ball in 2011. He had a down 2012, and was better in 2013, but still not as good as before TC started managing him. Same thing can be said about Murphy.

  • Destry

    Exact opposite of what he should do. Young guys need support and he leaves them out on an island.

  • Destry

    That is just sad. Poor guy. Why does he have a job?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    IF Flores is in fact called up Id be fine with this lineup

    1. J.Lagares, CF
    2. C.Granderson, RF
    3. D.Wright, 3B
    4. D.Murphy, 2B
    5. C.Young, LF
    6. L.Duda, 1B
    7. W.Flores,SS
    8. T.d’Arnaud, C

    9. Pitcher

    Yes I know Murphy isnt a power hitter BUT Newsflash neither is anyone else on this team. And Duda cant bat cleanup, he is not aggressive enough with runners on base he is TOO passive. Duda can walk all he wants with the RBI MACHINE(Yes RBIs SABR LOVERS) Wilmer Flores hitting behind him.

    And now that Tejada is out of the way we can Put our full attention towards the other automatic out and terrible hitter on the team “TRAVIS D’ARNAUD!”.

    Demote TDA next

  • Mike

    I agree tejada needs to go yest but Drew really turned me off by not signing with a team this long. He’s 31, missed a lot of time in his career, doesn’t he have the urge to play? Would it have killed him to swallow his pride and take the rumored 1 for 9.5 or I also heard 2 for 20bor one with an option. I mean stephen, don’t u want to play??? Is it all about $$$? Who wants someone like that in the club house whose mantra is “me me me”. What does he think he’s Kurt flood? I don’t see anybody rallying behind him and morales

  • Destry

    Just seeing him sit on the bench and stop TC from making game changing mistakes would be awesome.

  • Ready for my Flores – 4 Jersey. I am doing it.

  • He’s a company man and thus is being rewarded??

  • Yup. So Lagares??

  • Actually. I’ve been hesitant to commit since I still think they trade him. Maybe??

  • Mike Lloyd

    Thank goodness..

  • I loved the newsflash. LOVED it.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I’ll assist you 😉

    Got more confirmation Wilmer Flores will be joining Mets. Flores lifted his Triple-A average to .307 with his 3-for-6 performance Wednesday.— Adam Rubin (@AdamRubinESPN) May 8, 2014

    Flores just promoted and Already the b est positional player on the team.

  • Destry

    Just to put the whole Duda can’t hit with RISP to bed. He is hitting
    .375/.565/.625 with RISP. He is the only choice for the 4 hole. Having a cleanup hitter wait for a pitch he can drive instead of swinging at everything so he doesn’t walk is the last thing you want. That’s why we can’t score now.

  • I think they will, but still love my Tortuga jersey the same afterwards.

  • I thought I did do that?

  • goorru

    You did

  • Then again, with our paupers for owners, I could see them moving Murphy. Heck Murphy and pitching for Pederson would be awesome.

  • Destry

    Maybe. Just maybe. TC still has time to make him worse. He hasn’t been around long enough

  • Monix

    Yea because a Recker/Teagarden tandem is sure to hit much better than TDA and well worth impacting TDA’s development and value for.

  • Mike

    Duda’s 12′ and 13′ look pretty similar to me, you’re def right tho about nobody progressing. Niewenheiss, thole, tejada Ike duda, etc, all have gone backwards and he benches guys for weeks if they have a bad series, cowgill, satin, etc

  • Would be the best deal evahh, Send Grandy while you’re at it!

  • Dude. We can’t even pay anyone to take Grandy right now. As for Pederson, to be honest. I’d pray they take deGrom and Murphy; heck maybe even Gee. Not sure about Niese. But IF it had to be Montero, would you do it??

  • Cecchini hit a homer, and Dom Smith is up to .262. Nice.

  • Probably.

  • Destry

    Yeah. I don’t think its really up to the players anymore. They get crushed by the players union if they don’t try to sign the most lucrative contract, but I also don’t think he was offered more than a one year deal from the Mets, and I don’t think he wanted to be in the same situation this coming offseason after hitting in a pitchers park all year.

  • Then again, the kid developed lots in the minors, and was benched for a while for all our stud 2013 OFers, so there’s that.

  • Cecchini is now hitting .280 or so. He’s been really hot lately.
    And as said before, never been worried about Smith, there was a reason he was the best pure hitter in last year’s draft.

  • Destry

    Its embarrassing. The funny thing is that Keith, Gary and Ron go on and on about what a great coach he is, and it just makes me sick. Do you think they really think that or just for that sake of saving face they say that stuff?

  • Yeah me too. Pederson and Lagares would be awesome in OF.

  • Destry

    Good point. Pelfrey, Heilman. I don’t recall us drafting a lot of college hitters though.

  • billpulsipher

    its Wilmer flores, NOT Darryl Strawberry people lol

  • IF…Cecchini can hit .280+, he could be a solid contributor. I think Smith can be a star, and obviously the Mets did too with this aggressive placement in Savannah.

  • They seriously are pretty set at OF between Crawford, Kemp, Puig, it might not take that much.

  • Go read the 8-9-1 post. Our SS “production” will make Wilmer Flores LOOK like Daryl Strawberry…in his prime too.

  • DrDooby

    It was about time. While I seriously doubt Flores´ ability to handle SS defensively, it´s not as if Quintanilla or Tejada have been assets in the field, besides being nearly automatic outs offensively. At least Flores provides another bat that figures to improve the struggling offense. Ultimately, this may be the start of his audition for either the longer term 1b or 2b positions while the Mets will still need to look outside the organization for a legit SS.

  • Track record has been pretty bad with top picks in college in the last couple of decades.

  • Except Crawford has been terrible. Kemp is always injured. And Puig plays so hard he could get banged up lots like Harper does. I don’t think they give him away, but if there was a time to get him, I’d strike now. Wait until mid-season or trade season…price might sky rocket and more teams will be lurking.

  • Mike

    He hasn’t looked nearly as bad as tejada and unlike tejada he’s a top prospect known for his hitting. I think the fact that he was hitting in front of tejada certainly wasn’t helping. He was hitting like 300 for 7-10 gms until the last few. Also whose catching if u give up on TDA this early? Journeyman recker? Taylor Teagarden?! Could it be ur just a sandy hater and ur rooting for his prospects to fail?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    So you call using a small sample size 16 at bats with RISP as putting something to bed??? LMFAO!!!

    Nope everyone is still awake!!!

    Try this sample size

    Lucas Duda CAREER W/RISP

    302 At Bats –.228avg/ .371obp/ .368slg/ .739slg

    So he’s not exactly getting hits and driving in runs BUT he is WALKING to boost that robust OBP.

    Oh and since you LOVE putting things to bed with small sample sizes try this on for SIZE!(PUN INTENDED)

    He’s been brutal thus far this year from the cleanup spot

  • Destry

    Yeah, lets take out one of the 2 guys that is providing positive value offensively on a team that just got shutout in back to back games. Interesting that you would look at 1B needing an upgrade when C, SS, and both corner OF spots are providing virtually nothing.

  • He has got to have blackmail on all of them. Richie. Freddie. Jeffie. Keith, Gary, and Ron. Everyone. he’s got the dirt on everybody.

  • true, but they’re going to play Crawford here until I can’t. Meh, poor Kemp, so much potential, lost. Joc would be up the Mets FO’s alley.

  • CJM

    You should look at Duda’s career numbers batting cleanup before you say he can’t do it.

  • Destry

    He benches young guys after a good series too. Kirk raked it in Arizona this year, and then didn’t get an AB for 3 weeks. Cant tell you how many times Ive seen him do that over the past 3 years.

  • Always the possibility of Cecchini being a .280/.330 contributor with 8 homers and really solid defense at SS, that would be pretty ideal. (Pulling for Amed BIG TIME though!)

  • Mike

    I remember reading the yanks offered him a multi yr deal which he turned down and Sandy said publicly he’d go to two or three yrs for Drew..but no opt out clause which Drew wanted after each yr like Rafael soriano had w/yanks, can’t blame Sandy there, those contracts are win win for players. They stink, they stay…they’re good they bounce, no thanx

  • Oh dear goodness. Pederson is hitting .373/.479/.619. Wow. 7 homers and 10 steals, and i’m sure at least average defense. I’m sad that I checked that. NO CHANCE we get him. None.

  • After watching our last few season at SS, those would be all star numbers by our standards. As for Amed…oh heck yes man. I want that kid to be our next Wright-Reyes type talent.

  • Pretty much. Got the same grades as Nimmo the other day, yet Nimmo’s gotta tap into that power to move to AA.

  • Destry

    Yeah. You’re right. I just think it would be nice to draft someone a little more advanced so we can promote Nimmo, Plawecki, Herrera, Checchini, D. Smith………maybe Zimmer all roughly the same time. I think they want to go high school with hitters though, so they can teach them the “Sandy Approach”

  • Mike

    He doesn’t know how to utilize a 25 man roster. He plays guys like murph and ey2 everyday when they clearly need a day off and let’s guys like satin and Kirk rot on the bench.

  • At 21 Pederson was already playing in AA. And, he’s producing at a higher level, so ya. He’s awesome. If we somehow got him, I’m naming my second born RichieAlderson Johnson.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I think the fact that he was hitting in front of tejada certainly wasn’t helping.

    So what about the fact that Tejada was HITTING IN FRONT OF THE PITCHER???? How was that helping Tejada???

    HUH?HUH?HUH? That argument cuts both ways.
    ————————-

    He hasn’t looked nearly as bad as tejada–Mike

    WANNA BET?!?!?!

    Travis d’Arnaud
    .200 AVG./.284 OBP/.306 SLG./.590 OPS/ .70 OPS+

    Ruben Tejada
    .188 AVG/.309 OBP/.213 SLG/.521 OPS/ 54 OPS+

    Looks pretty close to me…..They both have SUCKED! and to think TDA is supposed to be the better hitter far and away…smh.
    —————————

    Im a Sandy hater??? Cant you see the production between
    -LAST YEAR
    -SPRING TRAINING
    -AND THIS YEAR(THUS FAR)

    He has been BAD at each stop since being promoted. I dont hate on prospects because of who acquired them. I love Syndegaard and Fulmer….I like the Dickey trade but never had faith in TDA he shouldve been traded as soon as we acquired him.

    Id rather see Juan Centeno platooning with Recker at Catcher. Juan has PLUS PLUS defense, has no power but can hit and always makes contact.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Henry,

    I’ll go one further. Our shortstop production would make ME look like Darryl Strawberry in his prime!

  • Haaaaaaa. That is rich. And awesome. Thanks Joey D.

  • ALSO…how does Hudgens still have a job?? The Mets are hitting a collective .225 this season, with a .300 on-base percentage and .332 slugging percentage.

  • He was also in an organization that moved people quicker, but yeah, Nimmo hasn’t performed to that level as him.

    Sorry to pile on, but you’d have to call him “Sandy” for short.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Henry,

    LOL, but I actually thought of that as poor and pathetic!

  • Well it is, but you and your comment were not.

  • I’d call him or her Sandy for short. Definitely. Get Joc Pederson, and it doesn’t matter. heck, I’d even be bold to say get Joc Pederson and we win a world series in the next decade. Yup.

  • Nimmo and Plawecki are the only ones that’s been proven to have the “Sandy Approach” so far. Cecchini I doubt will, same with Herrera, and Smith I think will have it, but hasn’t proven it, due to not playing a full season ball club (but so far so good!)
    Zimmer might, Conforto would definitely fall under it, but lacks athleticism. College ranks, it looks as though Zimmer is the guy Depo’s going to get.

    Can I just say, it’s fun discussing this with you?

  • Joey D.

    Hi Henry,

    Thanks my friend. I’ll take that any day. Am going to surf the web to see if I can get any scouting evaluations – not statistical – on Wilmur’s play at short. If I come up with something recent, I’ll post it.

  • If they can rework the kid’s swing, I hope he excels at Brooklyn.

  • I’m sure it will kill you inside for other moves.

  • I’d give Flores a shot at the three hole. He is batting there now and with Wright behind him he will get a little protection. BTW he is not Hitting .307 as of tonight and had 2 more RBI’s tonight.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Nice you didnt make the same foolish mistake as your friend Destry and Mike below…You researched.

    But I’ve done that research already and I came to the conclusion that his new found approach isnt suited to bat cleanup. Just like the Reds felt Votto isnt suited to bat cleanup or 3rd for that matter.

    So they moved him to 2nd in the order because he is more EFFECTIVE their. My exact thoughts on Duda, he is more effective in the 6th hole rather than 4th

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    He’s still an unproven rookie though.

    Which is why he has to prove his mettle in the majors 1st then he can move up in the batting order. At least thats how I see it

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Oh it doesnt show up on my end. just a link.

    Apologies

  • Martin

    i think flores makes the offense significantly better. plus offense with power from a primarily defensive position. huge value. team is way better than it was yesterday.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Youre right WILMER is better and wont smoke crack 😉 just smoke a few fastballs

    FYI I love The Straw(Fav. Met position player)

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    WOW! Im surprised at you Henry using those ANCIENT OUTDATED STATS….

    Whats the teams BPO!?!?! o_O

    Bwahahahaha

  • He proved late last season before he got hurt that he drives in runs. Which is something this team desperately needs! Though having him later in the order could help the hitters in front of him. I personally believe he can handle the three hole but, we shall see what the Mets do. For all we know they bring him up and sit him behind Tejada for a month.

  • In Non-Mets News, and ICYMI:
    Likely one of the biggest comebacks in baseball, ever, and it happens in Class-A Midwest league:

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2014_05_07_cliafx_burafx_1&t=g_box&sid=milb

  • 1. J.Lagares, CF
    2. D. Murphy 2b
    3. W.Flores, SS
    4. D.Wright 3B
    5. L.Duda
    6. C.Granderson, RF
    7. C.Young LF
    8. T.d’Arnaud, C

    Or

    1. J.Lagares, CF
    2. D. Murphy 2b
    3. D.Wright 3B
    4. L.Duda
    5. W.Flores, SS
    6. C.Granderson, RF
    7. C.Young LF
    8. T.d’Arnaud, C

  • YouBHatin

    He will look like Strawberry on this BS team…lol

  • Joey D.

    Hi Teddy,

    I must have missed it. Did Sandy sell them the contracts of Valverde, Farnsworth, Dyce-K and Lannan and they pitched for them tonight?

  • Joey D.

    Hi guys,

    As far as Wilmer’s defense at short, it’s hard to find anything more specific than we already know. As of a week ago the Post reported the Mets were not too happy with Wilmer’s performance at short.

    http://nypost.com/2014/05/01/mets-trial-with-wilmer-flores-at-shortstop-not-going-well/

    Perhaps we might clarity in what John Ricco had to say as reported in Newsday :

    “Earlier Wednesday, assistant general manager John Ricco said that Flores remained a realistic option at shortstop despite his deficiencies.

    “”All the reports we’re getting from there is he’s making all the routine plays,” Ricco said. “He’s not going to be a plus defender by any stretch, but he’s held his own defensively.””

    So already Ricco is telling us not to expect anything flashy as we knew – but his making a point that Wilmer on routine plays was holding his own has me guessing. If the reports are correct that the Mets weren’t too thrilled with him at short as of last week I’m not too sure about holding his own because one who makes routine plays does not make the amount of errors Wilmer has accumulated to date. Over a full season, it means on routine plays Wilmer could make around 35 errors. And who knows how many errors were ruled as base hits?

    As far as not being a plus defender, we know, the Mets do not have defensive range up the middle with Murphy so how much Wilmer will add to the pitcher’s frustration which can lead to more runs allowed than runs scored we might not ever know for even with the stats, we have no idea how this shakes up psyche of the pitcher on the mound.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/86082/wilmer-for-shortstop-yes?ex_cid=espnapi_public

  • XtreemIcon

    Burt Reynolds would be quite a story, this is true. We ARE talking about the Bandit, right?

  • Actually Mike Puma wasn’t too happy with the Mets so he made that whole thing up after being banned from the club house. His unnamed sources are just him being creative after too many twinkies and beers. The has lost all credibility.

  • Frank Francisco

    For the sake of this franchise I hope Flores can be the guy he is supposed to be offensively and be defensively passable enough to be an every day starter from here on out. If Flores can put up even a .260/.330/.420 slash line with *passable* defense this season in the majors, it would be a HUGE boost for this offensively starved team.

    Praying for the love of my team that Flores/d’Arnaud/Wright/Granderson or even 3/4 of them kick it into gear.

  • I don’t believe Puma, but I think he’ll be just below-average for range. Everything else will be fine.

  • Actually, when I was interning in Brooklyn, he was in the league for the Hudson Valley Renegades, and when they put the faces up on the screen, they did the Actor’s Face for him, every time.

  • No, more like Frank Francisco, Armando Benitez, and Braden Looper (Plus Lannan)

  • BarnRat

    Even if they struggle, I’d MUCH rather watch Flores, TDA, Black, DeGrom, Montero etc. because they represent hope.

    Come on Wilmer — make the most of it.

  • Hotstreak

    i say the next Ernie Banks. Seriously Lagares or Flores (both Omar) WHICH ONE THE NEXT FACE OF THE FRANCHISE.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    As long as Duda doesn’t screw him over, right? 😉

  • Hotstreak

    GUESS WHAT NO ONE SAID SOMETHING STUPID THAT DON’T LOOK FOR FLORES TO BE THE SAVIOR. BRO.ANS SISTAR HE AND LAGARES ARE.

  • Frank Francisco

    Having Tejada on this team literally serves no purpose at this point. Flores will need a defensive back-up and Tejada’s defense is fringe-above-average at best.

    The argument for having Tejada over Tovar was originally that Tejada had more offensive capability than Tovar. The problem with that statement is that it is no longer even remotely true. The truth is that Tejada has been bad for a lot longer than some people even realize, dating back to the end of 2012.

    Ruben Tejada:
    40 games in 2012: .234/.280/.273
    57 games in 2013: .202/.259/.260
    28 games in 2014: .188/.309/.213

    That means that over his last 125 games, Tejada has put up a miserable (rough estimate) .209/.276/.253 slash line which comes out to a .530 OPS

    Many people think that Tejada is “slumping” when it is far beyond a slump. Realistically, the league probably figured something out about Tejada back in 2012 that he hasn’t since been able to adjust to. Tejada is no longer the .700 OPS guy he was a couple years ago, so it makes absolutely no sense to favor Tejada over the defensive-oriented Tovar considering they both have about 0 offensive potential.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Puma tweeted Tejada was visibly angry after today’s game and guesses it could be because he was told he’d be heading for the bench.

    I assume we believe Puma this time since it’s what we all want.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Tovar should play every day, not be a back up.

  • TexasGusCC

    With his performance he is upset? His best asset would be to learn to become a Joe McEwing type player.

  • Jgreen

    I really don’t know what to expect from Flores at this moment. Of course he is better than Tejada, but Mets need more than that right now.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    He’s Sandy’s guy teaching Sandy’s philosophy.

  • Frank Francisco

    The consensus among scouts (granted scouting reports are frequently wrong) is that Tovar’s ceiling is either a decent back-up or a below-average starter. Tovar isn’t the kind of prospect that you sacrafice major-league success to develop a little longer.

    He’s basically a younger, better all around version of Quintanilla.

  • I don’t believe anything Puma writes…

  • Hotstreak

    Leroy that is why you are Bad, Bad. We had enough of the nice guys. Wright, Grandy and TdA in particular. Oh did I offend somone. Tough sh*t.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    He’s 22 and in AA. No reason to stop his development now.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Why?

  • Hotstreak

    I grew up with Duke Snider in his prime in Bklyn.. Yes he was a Met I forgot.

  • Hotstreak

    Wright , Grandy and TdA all nice guys are you really happy with their production. By the way their Alderson guys too (Wright with fat contract). If I offeneded SA lovers it was intentional.

  • Selltheteam06

    Do my all star votes for quintanilla still count?

  • Matt Mosher

    Thank god. A real shortstop, even if he’s not great defensively.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Is that English?

  • Skip

    It’s fringe to below average English, like Tejadas defense.

    Or TCs managing skills….

  • Also, very important to note: He’s a cousin of Robinson Cano (Born in San Pedro De Macrois).

  • blastingzone

    Its about time! They should have recalled Black too this way Flores would have company
    on the plane and we would have help for the bull pen!!

  • NewYorkMammoths

    I’m sure we’re last in that too anyway.

  • Captain America

    Lucky he has Murphy at second to cover some of that ground.

    What’s next Lagares gets a shot at SS?
    Or EYJ?

  • Not4

    Funny thing is that he probably is not a real SS, but he is a real MLB hitter (and I think a good one), and either way a significant upgrade over our other options as long as he can make the routine plays

  • Manuel1991

    Woke up to some amazing news today LGM! Wilmer Flores your new Mets SS ladies and gentlemen

  • mad met

    About as much as all the granderson votes

  • BronxMets

    hope not while mcewing was a fan favorite he was an awful baseball player

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    sounds good! give the kid a BVERY LONG LOOK! could be our ss for the next 10 years, lets hope the FO dosnt mess this up.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    tc managing skills aren’t below average, they are a lot farther down the meter, more like downright bad

  • Flatbush0460

    Yes, sort of like a puppet regime. Collins can be a De facto manager in the dugout, Wally can manage from the tunnel, keeping TC from constantly shooting himself in the foot. I’d consider that an improvement as well. Good idea.

  • Flatbush0460

    He hits, he produces and drives in runs. If he makes the routine plays he’s an an above average shortstop. If he had more range he’d be a perennial all star. That will never happen due to his body style, but I love this move anyway. It stretches the lineup, and that in itself is just huge.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    yes please now that would be exciting, finally having a real manager. ugh, why dosnt the fo see that

  • You offended my fondness for the English language and sentence structure so congrats on that

  • Flatbush0460

    This allows Tejada to play in his sweet spot, backup middle infielder, which is all he really is. He can either like it, or go back to Panama, his call.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    yea hes a nice guy but an awful manager, wally is just sitting there in AAA, damn get him up here

  • KennyandtheMets

    Flores drives in runs. More than anything, that is what this team is lacking.

  • Flatbush0460

    I believe it. Who wouldn’t be upset if told he had lost a starting job, and the potential millions that accompany it. He might be dumb, but he ain’t stupid, so to speak

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    hes depressing the whole team. No one trusts him, and hes has no “words of wisdom” to pass to them. He has nothing to give these players. He dosnt inspire anyone.

  • Gotta get him goin’. He’s been there.

  • Flatbush0460

    Because in my opinion, not being controversial or outspoken trumps managerial skill and fire in the belly, and winning, which is a damn shame.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Bring wally up send TC packing. A lot of these kids that are here and some that will be here soon all flourished with wally as manager through a few levels. time for the FO to finally make a good move for this club

  • Flatbush0460

    One can dream though, sometimes it seems it’s all we have left. At At some point someone will give that man a chance, and he’ll be a superb manager. I just hope it’s us. It’s a no brainer in my book. All he does is win, that’s exactly what we need right now.

  • oleosmirf

    Unless Wilmer’s defense is as bad as Murphy was in LF, he has to play SS everyday. Tejada has now definitely proven he does not belong on this team as he has complied a slash line of .197/.272/.245/.517 with just 14 XBH (all doubles) since opening day 2013. He needs a new team.

    It’s now time for Flores to show whether he can hit at the ML level these next 120 games or so. Let’s hope he can.

  • dnotch

    ABOUT TIME!

  • StrawberryPiazzaWright

    He can surely hit….in the minors. What many people keep ignoring is the fact that Flores has yet to prove anything offensively at the major league level. Based on his MINOR LEAGUE numbers, we all hope it carries over to the majors, but nothing is a given, he needs to prove it at the highest level. The same happened with d’Arnaud, really good offensive numbers, and very strong defense, he gets called up, and his offensive game disappeared. His defense is nowhere where it was in the minors. I like both Flores and d’Arnaud, and hope they both turn into very successful players for the Mets, but lets not be naive about their potential, they have not proved a thing yet. I am feeling way better when Recker is catching, both offensively, and defensively, and Recker has no business being a starting major league catcher. That goes to show how poorly d’Arnaud has performed, so to think Flores will come up and rake is naive to put it lightly. With that said, I understand the excitement of bringing Flores up, the Mets have had a mess at SS for a long time now, but lets give the kid time to prove himself before we annoint him as an offensive force. Forgive my apprehensiveness, but I am tired of being burned by high hopes for a prospect or highly touted/highly thought of player, only to see him fizzle at the major league level. I really HOPE Flores becomes an offensive force for the Mets. Here is his chance (I hope Collins plays him every day, and leaves Tejada as a defensive replacement/utility player, which is the role he is best suited for). Time will tell.

  • Joanie Yan

    Pleasantly surprised they’re bringing up Wilmer. Let’s hope they actually play him and not sit him on the bench.

  • OriginalLadyMet

    Mets got it wrong again: should have kept Quintinilla & jettisoned Tejada.
    Good-good move bringing up Flores, he is a classy kid.

  • StrawberryPiazzaWright

    What is wrong with Panama? That was uncalled for.

  • Jeff Roland

    besides Flores and mabey lagares and wheeler for a very short time, who are all these “kids” that have “flourished” under backman?

    Collins needs to go but backman isnt the answer. notice how no one is banging on the door to hire Wally backman? there’s a reason

  • oleosmirf

    Lagares
    Murphy
    Wright
    Granderson
    Young
    Duda
    Flores
    d’Arnaud

    The inclusion of Flores (assuming he hits) should make a big difference in regard to lengthening the lineup. Flores should see a lot of good RBI chances with Duda in front of him and d’Arnaud should be able to benefit as well since he’ll get more pitches to hit, in front of the pitcher.

    How many times have our #7/8 hitters not gotten the job done with runners on this year? Flores should hopefully change that.

  • Jeff Roland

    drugs are bad

  • Jeff Roland

    and hitting .340

  • StrawberryPiazzaWright

    Very interesting point.

  • Jeff Roland

    did u bang your head or are u hitting the bong again?

  • DejaVu

    Tejada may need a new career, honestly.

  • oleosmirf

    Do you know what the league average for hitting with RISP is?

  • DejaVu

    I agree that Backman isn’t going to magically change the team overnight. I don’t think that even the best of managers would win with this inferior crop of players.

  • DejaVu

    One piece at a time. With all the issues with SS, this can be a step in the right direction. We’ll see…

  • DejaVu

    Maybe it IS Terry Collins…

  • oleosmirf

    Tovar is a fringe-prospect who is not someone the organization considers to be a future starter, but I think we’ll see him promoted to AAA to take Wilmer’s spot, with T.J. Rivera following suit.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    🙂

    thnx.

    I’ve managed to open some minds here along the way.

    most of the hillbillies stand out like a sore thumb here now.

  • Same old Mets

    I agree that the Mets should have kept OQ instead of RT

  • MyasDaddy

    With bringing up Flores… the lineup needs a whole new makeup.
    1. Lagares
    2. Granderson
    3. Wright
    4. Duda
    5. Murphy
    6. CY
    7. Flores
    8. TDA
    9. P
    When TC finally started playing with the lineup, they started winning with Granderson in the 2-hole. I don’t think it was coincidence at all. Put Duda in the cleanup hole and let him go. Murphy is our best hitter with runners in scoring position…if that is the case, why not give him more opportunities to drive in runs. Flores immediately lengthens the lineup. I really don’t think this is rocket science, but at what point TC do you realize that what you are doing isn’t freaking working. Wake the hell up!

  • Taskmaster4450

    Tejada is out of options. You dont get rid of a 24 year old kid in favor of a 31 year old journeyman player.

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    It is what we all want but I still have a hard time believing anything from Puma. He just tries to stir the Met fans pot.

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    Except vs Randy Johnson.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Maybe now all the whiners and complainers will start to pay attention to what is going on instead of just spouting off about senseless garbage. Trade for Owings…sign Drew…Trade for anyone other than Tejada…..

    For a month I told you what the plan was and how the Mets were working it. Flores started in AAA to get reacquainted with the SS position. They decided to have him focus solely on that as opposed to that and trying to learn to hit major league pitching. This view was proven correct by the fact that Flores offense suffered for the first few weeks while he was making the adjustment. As we all know, the last 2 weeks saw his bat wake up which is what they were waiting for. Now that it did and Tejada went backwards, the time to make the move was now as they are coming home.

    Seriously, did you think Flores was a SS because the organization really wants to know what it has in Danny Muno?

  • everybodysbuddy

    Personally I would have dropped Tejada. I think he’s going to be a negative influence sitting on the bench. At least Q is comfortable as a back-up. Maybe dropping both and bringing Tovar up might be the best option for a back-up SS. He fields better than Tejada, and couldn’t do worse with the bat!

  • Taskmaster4450

    Wright contracts is Alderson?

    Well that proves either you are a total mental midget or someone with an agenda who refuses to look at facts.

    1. Jeffy stated as the off season began the Mets needed an ambassador to replace Seaver who is getting up there in years.
    2. Alderson is on record saying he is against long term huge 2nd generation contracts.
    3. Alderson, who is as anal as they come, didnt even shop Wright during the GM meetings to see what his trade value is.
    4. Wright miraculously signed for the highest contract in Met history ($500K over Johan)

    This signing, good or bad, has Jeff’s finger prints all over it.

    And by the way, if you are unhappy about Wight’s production, how would you feel about Reyes so far this year since I am sure you were one calling for the Mets to reacquire him.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Tovar is 22 and in AA, why would you stunt his development by having him play sparingly on the major league roster. He needs to play everyday.

  • Same old Mets

    Ok, what do you do with a 24 year old kid who can’t hit, keep him until he’s 25 and he still can’t hit. Sometimes you just have to let go.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I’m glad we’re finally give Flores a shot.

  • MyasDaddy

    Now we need to give Black a shot, and deGrom and others who are young…

  • Sylow59

    That makes sense. But I’m going to complain anyway.

    /sarc

  • T Boogy

    Tejada didn’t talk trash when everyone was bad mouthing him in ST and the off season so I think he’ll be a good teammate. Personally I think he’ll excel in a backup rule like when Reyes was here. He just can’t handle the pressure of being the starter at his young age.

  • everybodysbuddy

    I can’t imagine any of the Mets were in a good frame of mind after that game!

  • everybodysbuddy

    I don’t think he was dissing Panama

  • USMF

    Not a huge TC fan, but the Mets desperately need a new hitting coach before anything else. Hudgens has done nothing to help this team perform better at the plate. All he’s done is try to shoehorn everyone in to this “saber” approach and screwed up hitters like Ike and Duda and hasn’t help Grady, Wright, RT or TdA with their slumps.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Agreed. We need to get the other young players and pitchers up.

  • everybodysbuddy

    McEwing could hit though, so he won’t ever be that type player

  • BarnRat

    Depending on your view of OBP, Tejada is materially ahead of Q on that front

  • MyasDaddy

    I think it depends on the player. If you have no power, than you need to do whatever you can to get on base. If you are hitting 3-6, I think SLG % is the most important.

  • T Boogy

    I can’t believe how many people are surprised that Flores Is getting called up. This was the FO plan all along and they basically spelled it out for the fan base.

  • Flatbush0460

    I didn’t say there was anything at all wrong with Panama. That just happens to be where he comes from dude.

  • everybodysbuddy

    Tejada’s defense is a fringe below average English? I guess he should have been playing in Spanish!

  • BarnRat

    Further support for you view would seem to be Sandy’s off-season lecture on the hazards of “payroll concentration”.

  • everybodysbuddy

    Ya you’re right about that. I’m just not thrilled about Tejada’s defense, and with Murph at 2nd it would be nice to have a real defensive strength as back up SS.

  • BarnRat

    Wilmer, Murph, please turn your first couple of DP opportunities or half the people here will spontaneously combust

  • Ytrade41

    The “kids” have flourished under Backman as a TEAM. Best record in PCL for two years with not the best talent. BRING UP WALLY NOW! 🙂

  • MyasDaddy

    I think a lot of us want change. We want an infusion of youth. We need to see eventually what these guys can bring us. I would rather lose with inexperience, than lose with guys who just can’t cut it anymore.

  • BarnRat

    I agree, but just wait…

  • MyasDaddy

    What are we waiting for?

  • Same old Mets

    I’m an old school baseball fan. I grew up watching baseball with no hitting coach or bullpen coach and certainly no strength or conditioning coach. I’m sick of hearing about obp and hitting approaches. Give me a guy who gets his uniform dirty, plays adequate defense, bats 270 and gets a clutch hit now and again. See ball, hit ball. Stop watching counts, if the first one is down the middle, swing.

  • BarnRat

    The reaction to a fragile MI defense ( if that proves to be the case)

  • MyasDaddy

    You know what’s funny? Players get called up to the majors because of their successes throughout each class of the minor leagues, right? Well, how come it doesn’t work for managers? Because wherever Wally Backman has managed, his teams have done really well. Maybe its time for him to replace the current manager we have now.

  • MyasDaddy

    It is what it is. Like I said, I am willing to have growing pains if it means finding out what we really have!

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    Next a 1st baseman!

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well, according to some people around here, EVERY writer is out to “get the Mets fan.”

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Awesome. Brandon Nimmo is batting close to .400. Maybe we should call him up too.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Because managing in the minor leagues and managing in the major leagues is totally different. Roster decisions. Egos. The Media. It’s a totally different animal.

  • MyasDaddy

    Yeah and TC is doing a masterful job at it.

  • Gland1

    At least its nice to know you were looking to offend people

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    So give the job to Geren or one of the other coaches. TC’s performance has nothing to do with Backman’s ability.

  • MyasDaddy

    Change is good. Its what we need. We need a new voice.

  • RyanF55

    Good. At least his bat may make contact with the ball. Tejada is a solid glove off the bench, and just MAYBE his offense can improve not playing everyday. Quintanilla was a AAA player and didn’t deserve playing in the big leagues. I like this move…let’s see what you got Wilmer.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Fine, but a minor league manager’s success is irrelevant. His job is far, far easier as a minor league manager than a major league manager. Not saying Backman couldn’t do a good job, but his record is not something to get excited about. At least not to me.

  • I called the Pete McCarthy show after the game yesterday and told him that the Metz can’t have 2 shortstops hitting .200 or less and that some scouts are saying that Flores reminds the, of Johny Peralta. He asks me,”you think that’s a good thing?” I respond it’s good enough for the Cardinals. Thank God there is a change coming

  • Agree totally. TC is a terrible game day manager. In over his head.

  • Captain America

    Perralta is a bust

  • MyasDaddy

    How is it irrelevant? The guy takes whatever he has to work with, and makes them winners? He is guiding them, he is leading them. I don’t think a minor league manager’s job is irrelevant, in fact it may be more relevant.

  • Taskmaster4450

    It is why you typically see the same major league managers recycled through to teams regardless of their records.

    Few guys come up from the minors and are successful especially in their first jobs.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    I hope to God they have the cojones to plug him in at SS and leave him there for the year. I don’t care how many times he and Murph bang heads and drop to the canvas.

    This is the year to decide on Wilmer. Don’t want to go into next season with all our new arms and still have that big “?” at short.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Typical Met fan.

    Calling a guy a bust 5 weeks into the first year of his 4 year contract.

    Maybe notice the guy raised his BA over 70 points in the last few weeks. Also, perhaps there is a track record for guys being poor, even their first season of a long term deal and bouncing back. Didnt Beltran basically give the Mets career or near career lows the first year he was with them? It happens.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Because what he has to work with are the top prospects the organization has to offer. Syndergaard. Montero. deGrom. Flores. Dykstra. Puello. Black.

    Come on now.

    I didn’t say his JOB is irrelevant. I said his record is irrelevant. Are managers with losing records bad managers? Is Ron Gardenhire a bad manager? Backman has a team chock full of talent. Many people joke that Vegas has a better team than the Mets do.

    If Backman’s W-L record is not irrelevant, than at the very least keep it in perspective.

  • HawkZon

    I would have rather seen them send down Tejada and Q and bring up Tovar and Flores.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    If the Mets want to put Backman on the bench, I’m fine with that. But manager outright? I wouldn’t hold my breath.

  • Peter S

    I feel like we’ve had this conversation before simply with Murphy replacing Flores and 2B replacing SS.

  • Wrightstuf

    I completely agree. During post game last night Terry didn’t have one hint of dissapointment in his tone of voice. He said something along the lines of “its early and we’ve put good hits on the ball.” While he is right, we need a coach with more fire and eagerness. If that was Wally he would be saying that this type of play over this road trip is unacceptable and we HAVE to play better.

  • Peter S

    Tiexera was a bust after his 1st month with the Yanks too…finished his year .292/39/122 with an OPS of .948. Oh, and a World Series title.

  • tacknaf

    I won’t. If they plug in Flores and leave him there I won’t say a peep about him all year. We’re losing anyway; I’d rather lose with Flores than Tejada or god forbid Q.

  • Eyeball

    Well, I just would like to see Tejada gone. He’s still a young guy and may be able to forge a career for himself somewhere else. No point in keeping $1.1 million on the bench or in AAA.

    As for Tovar – he’s probably the best fit for a LIDR in the organization, but he’s probably too young to be relegated to that role. Give him a chance to see PCL pitching.

  • MyasDaddy

    TC is just a blowhard. He is too busy being everyone’s buddy instead of holding them accountable. I am sick and tired of it!

  • SL

    It’s about time. Now if they bring back Kirk, we’re all set – I keep waiting for someone to notice how the team immediately starts losing everytime he is optioned.

  • Eyeball

    Much like the Ike trade, I’m surprised it happened simply because it went pretty much according to plan.

    I figured Wilmer’s injury a couple of weeks back was going to be a crusher, but it was just a brief setback.

  • T Boogy

    It’s almost like the FO actually has an idea of what their doing!

  • StrawberryPiazzaWright

    Then you shouldnt have mentioned where he was from, that surely has nothing to do with how he plays, or how he handles any given situation in the majors, brother.

  • StrawberryPiazzaWright

    It didn’t sound right to mention his country either. He could have just said ” go back to the minors”. Absolutely no need to mention where he is from. None.

  • Joe

    While I do believe Wally would make a much better manager than Terry, I do agree with you that the records between the two are irrelevant.

    Wally has an absurd amount of talent at the AAA level while Terry is essentially dealing with no bullpen and no offense. Ignoring that is just flat out ignorance and blind ideology.

  • 90orMore

    Why? It’s not like he’s being groomed to be the next starting SS. A backup role is likely his ceiling in the majors.

  • Joe

    i thought we hired Terry because he had “fire”? Why is he the exact opposite?

  • sarge69

    I just hope that Terry does play him yet Murphy, though not lately, has the tendency to do too much on the field, getting thrown out or picked off, and his aggressive play at 2B might be a problem with a “rookie” at SS.

    I just hope that TC does go ahead and plug him now, before the Subway Series, so he can get the jitters over while playing in Citi first.

    Flores might be our JJ Hardy?

  • Joe

    I still say we should bring up Den Dekker and have him and Lagares holding down 2/3rds of the outfield. The outfield defense would be the best in the majors

  • everybodysbuddy

    well maybe, but if someone told me I sucked and I should go back to Jersey, it would be the I sucked part that would bother me.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah? Who is our SS if Flores doesn’t pan out? Who takes Flores’ place?

    Seems to me that would be Tovar. No reason to put him on the bench if he’s potentially the next in line, barring a trade. He might not be the SS of the future, but he is the next in line. Why slow his development now?

  • Eyeball

    We may just have a ROY candidate after all.

  • upandadam

    I know this sounds like good news but lets be honest, we all know or should know what’s going to happen. Flores was red hot in AAA, so he gets called up to sit on the bench for a week before actually getting into a game. Then Flores will struggle because he’s completely out of rhythm at this point and we’ll all wonder what’s wrong with Flores.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    No one sane will wonder what is wrong.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Sad but true unfortunately.

  • mets4lyfe

    Duda has a .781 OPS. He’s hasn’t played great by any stretch of the imagination, but he’s still been a positive for the team. He’s least of the team’s worries right now.

    The issues have been Wright hitting like Ruben Tejada and Granderson being Ike Davis part deux.

  • upandadam

    With what the mets put us through after all this time, I’d be surprised if any of us are still considered “sane”

  • Mario Gonzalez

    People are pretty miffed by the windmill that is Granderson. MdD will make him look like Tony Gwynn.

  • SinHalo27

    Oops! :S
    This team drives me to….nevermind. 🙂

  • SinHalo27

    Thanks.

  • FRANK SALADO

    I agree, I think TC has made several mistakes managing this club, the bullpen staying to long with some not enough with others, bunting with he shouldnt, hitting with he should hit usually managers win or lose 3 to 4 games a year, he already used his allotment of losing for me and eventually will lose the team with his missed managing tactics, I finally realized his got to go, lets start the push TC got to go

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I gave him time….

    1.End of last year
    2.Spring Training
    3.Early 2014

    He hasnt hit at any point so far in the majors

    Not saying he is a bust but he needs to go down and get more seasoning in the minors(ie get his sh!t together)

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    100% TRUTH

    YOU WIN THIS THREAD

  • Flores is in the top 10 players trending upward in my fantasy league. This must be real.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Um, isn’t that what Duda does?

  • TPT

    FINALLY and the hope here is they brought him up to Play EVERYDAY not once a week ….with TC you just never know

  • ….and 12 people have dropped Tejada of the many hundred thousands in the leagues. How did 12 people own him at this point and only drop him now? Both SA and TC must have teams in the league.

  • Martin

    i have always said duda contributes to the offense.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Probably no worse than our #3/4/5 hitters.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I hear you.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Like Lagares you mean?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    That’s what people said about Lagares, but there he is, out there every game.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Yeah he is out there because EYjr SUCKED BADLY!!!

    You forget opening day Lagares was on the BENCH…and only got to start and continue to play by chance and circumstance…Murphy being out and CY getting hurt.

    FACTS!!!!(You should start using them)

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    No, you’re ASSUMING Lagares wasn’t going to be out there on Opening Day. That’s not a fact. And seeing as how Lagares is out there every day now, with a healthy CY, I think we can ASSUME he’d have been out there on Opening Day as well.

  • TPT

    like Duda’s our everyday starting 1st baseman and then that same day benched him in favor of IKE and played only 2 games that week..like that lol

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    And now Ike’s off the team.

  • Captain America

    SARCASM task. You took the bait…

  • Mario Gonzalez

    You included.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I didnt assume anything genius Lagares WAS NOT on the original opening day lineup card. Lagares and Brown only started because Murphy and CY were out. its a FACT look it up numbskull

    “Brown and Lagares got the call through circumstance. Second baseman Daniel Murphy was with his wife in Florida, expecting the birth of the couple’s first child. Eric Young Jr., slated to start in left, moved to second. And Chris Young had a minor injury. Opportunity knocked and Brown was waiting, bat in hand.”

    http://nypost.com/2014/03/31/mets-brown-lagares-carry-big-bats-into-surprise-starts/

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    @ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments:disqus I love that you never let FACTS get in the way of you telling a Bullsh!t story

    “Brown and Lagares got the call through circumstance. Second baseman Daniel Murphy was with his wife in Florida, expecting the birth of the couple’s first child. Eric Young Jr., slated to start in left, moved to second. And Chris Young had a minor injury. Opportunity knocked and Brown was waiting, bat in hand.”

    http://nypost.com/2014/03/31/mets-brown-lagares-carry-big-bats-into-surprise-starts/

    Who needs facts when you can make up your own story. Your comments have more fiction than Game of thrones

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Haha. Ok.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Hmmm. Well, for once you’re actually right about something. I stand corrected.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    As I said, you’re finally right about something. This is your dog day. Your “blind squirrel, meet nut” moment. I stand corrected.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    BBLB, don’t waste your time with this clown.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    🙁

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    You always stand corrected this is just the 1st time youre admitting it.

    You might be growing up and becoming a MAN!

    Might want to change youre name to ThatMANWhoLeavesComments

  • mr. belvedere

    the Mets refuse to ever go after Cuban players…gotta be a edict down from the owners…thoughts Leroy?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Hahahaha. You’re the baddest man on the internet. You don’t call yourself BadBadLeroyBrown for nothing.

  • mr. belvedere

    Love this move…let him play everyday until the draft to see how Flores is looking and where the team as a whole is looking to evaluate whether making a play for Drew is warranted…the only qualm I have with this move is that Tejada should be sent down and Tovar should be up backing up Flores and Murphy…the kid is a witch with the glove and he’s hitting .350 in AA, the evaluation time is over for some of these guys like Tejada, it’s time to start rewarding great play and promoting some kids levels (Tovar to NY, Rivera to AA, Oberste to St Lucie)

  • MetsfanInParadise

    “As for an infield that might include Daniel Murphy, Lucas Duda and Flores — all with limited range — the scout was not as complimentary.

    “Oh boy!” the scout said. “Good luck with that.””

    That’s been my concern from the start. Obviously we need to find a way to generate some offense. But just as you can only hide a “good-field-no-hit” SS in an otherwise strong lineup, adding a barely-average defender to an infield 3/4 full of barely average defenders is asking for trouble. We saw how the pitching seemed to suddenly improve when the OF defense was tightened up last year. I hope we don’t see the opposite process play out in the infield this year.

  • NeedNewOwners

    Good first step. Now it is time to keep going by dumping Valverde outright and bringing up Black; out with Tejada and Satin and bring up a Campbell and Tovar. Unfortunately we are stuck with the dead weight of Granderson, but move him to 7 spot and TdA 8 spot with Flores up. Wish there was a way to get Brown back up.

  • oleosmirf

    It’s very simple. Abreu and Granderson cost roughly the same amount of money so you couldn’t have both. Not with these owners.

    The Mets decided Granderson in the OF and Ike or Duda at 1B would be more productive and less risky than Abreu at 1B and the combination of Duda/EY/Brown/Kirk in the third OF spot.

    So far, that looks to be a bad decision, but it certainly wasn’t a no-brainer at the time. That said, the GM is still responsible.

  • Flatbush0460

    Haha, they don’t mind the cheap ones, like Rey Ordonez. It’s the seven figure guys they’re afraid of.

  • QueensRussell

    You know as well as I that much of the OPS relates to first half of April.

    Still, I would like to see what he can do this month. I would classify a guy who is stagnating at a key position not as “least of [our] worries.” I keep looking over my shoulder about Davis, but I couldn’t stand watching him come to bat. I am almost at that point with Duda. Bottom line: he must produce, and the sooner the better. Look, the kid has serious power, but we’re not seeing it, and that’s worrisome.

    About Wright and Grandy, no question, but at least there’s precedent in their cases, no?

  • NeedNewOwners

    Time to explore the market for Wright, the most overrated Met of all time

  • Taskmaster4450

    Dead weight with Granderson? After 5 weeks?

    I guess you would have jettisoned Beltran out of town after his first year as a Met was awful.

  • beers22

    So much for a slow start for Flores eh?

  • beers22

    Please be starting!!!!!!!!!!

  • NeedNewOwners

    Bring up Backman or the rest makes no difference, Collins is a joke and brings the team down.

  • Metjorge

    He better be. Finally something to look forward to with this team.

  • dnotch

    Not even Collins is that dumb to start Tejeda on Friday

  • owlnut

    Don’t forget Alderson & the Wilpons.

  • MattSzat

    not to mention, as the weather has heated up so has he

  • beers22

    The right side of the defense has been fine and it’s not because of Tejada’s range. The only way I see this affecting the infield as a whole is on DP balls which Tejada and Murphy have really done well with this year.

  • Jim

    could he potentially start Friday against the Phillies?

  • mets4lyfe

    I agree that Duda needs to start doing better than “adequate”. Just as you, I also get tired of watching Duda often look timid at the plate where he looks unsure if he should swing at a fastball or not.

  • MattSzat

    Backman makes the same stupid moves Terry does. Besides bringing a little fire, Backman is far from the answer. Especially since it’s not a money issue, It’s a huge red flag the ownership hasn’t even teased it

  • MattSzat

    Tejada will start Friday.
    [Insert Terry logic as to why here]

  • owlnut

    They should keep Q and designate Tejada.

  • E1Guapo

    If TC says that he has to get Tejada going my bet will be someone throws their shoe at him and TC won’t be as cat like as our former president.

  • E1Guapo

    They thought it was Miguel Tejada 10 years ago?

  • Flatbush0460

    Of course you know the problem with that. Who do you bring up? Juan Centeno? Is he any better?

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    Its all happening as it should. Flores up. Degrom or Montero up soon. Black will be up. Soupy will be up. All coming together.

    NOW SCORE SOME DAMN RUNS!!!!

  • Just_Da_damaja

    As for an infield that might include Daniel Murphy, Lucas Duda and Flores — all with limited range — the scout was not as complimentary.

    “Oh boy!” the scout said. “Good luck with that.”

    looks like Adam Rubin is reading my posts here…

    defense wins…

    if u have Flores at 2B, Murphy at 1B, with tovar at SS. u would increase ur defensive range 10x fold with no loss in offense.

  • StrawberryPiazzaWright

    Abreu would make a very good hitting coach, btw. The Mets should keep him around on a similar capacity, if not to take Hudgens spot!

  • Des

    Backman is a narcissistic crackpot whose managerial shelf life is measured in weeks, not months or years.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    they actually won a lottery to sign rey, they never had to outbid anyone.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    the abreau decision had to be made by late Oct.

    by late Oct, Jeff Wilpon declared that the mets had too many 1B on the roster. meaning there was no way they were going to sign ANY 1B and they were def going to tender Ike a contract.

    You folks act like Sandy is the one pulling the strings here.

    this is a wilpon operation and will continue to be until they are no longer owners.

    Sandy is just a different piñata for us to beat up on.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Juan Centeno = best met catching prospect since Todd Hundley.

    The answer to your question is Yes.

  • StrawberryPiazzaWright

    I agree with your point, but there are precedents, as you might recall Ochoa, Milledge, Matsui (remember him?). There is no more talk about Td’A for ROY anymore, that, and the names mentioned above, make me apprehensive. Flores did get his ankle injured, but he does not look like the type of player that takes care of his body (like Giancarlo Stanton, for example), and he does not posses the offensive prowess of Miguel Cabrera to get away with that. All I am saying is to not count on these rookies to come in and save our team, it is not realistic. There is as big a chance they will fail, as there is they are going to succeed. I, for the life of me hope with all of my heart they do succeed, but they have not shown it so far.

  • goorru

    Just like everyone else i’m ecstatic that Tejada is probably not our everyday shortstop anymore but i’m worried that a guy who was inferior to Murphy at 2B last year can be a major league shortstop. I guess we’ll find out.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Im a MDD/Kirk fan.

    i think met fans would’ve been ok with an OF of

    MDD- Lagares – Kirk

    all rookies, all earning 500K.

    than have Puello coming up soon…

    i think in general we are cool with rebuilding so long as its upfront.

    we’re in this weird purgatory where we are neither rebuilding nor really trying to win.

    what kind of prospect would the mets have gotten had they paid Ike’s 3.5 mil salary….

    why are we still doing puny salary dumps in 2014…

    I thought our payroll issues were behind us ?

    http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2013/11/sandy_alderson_said_mets_2014_payroll_will_be_more_than_87_million.html

    what gives?

  • BCleveland3381

    So we’d have no loss in offense on team that hasn’t scored in almost 3 games. Offense is the problem. Im not disagreeing the defense could be pretty brutal, but they need to try something. Bringing Tovar in, having a really good defender at short, but still not being able to score any runs isn’t going to cut it. Even if the team ends up going in the tank at least we’re giving Flores everyday major league AB’s(hopefully) to see if he is going to keep hitting on this level.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    I pasted the same quote in with the same concern an hour ago. On the whole, though, I agree with the move. Until we try we won’t know if the potential offensive boost will outweigh anything we give up on the other side of the ball

  • Just_Da_damaja

    I would trade Gee, Duda, Tejada and Murph to the Yanks for Texiera ( so long as they pay his entire salary ) .

    1B – Tex
    2B – Flores
    SS – Tovar
    3B – Wright

    Yanks now have a cheap SP, 3B, a SS/2B and a fill in for Tex who would mash in the AL East.

    Mets would have a real 1B, a switch hitting power threat, a good guy in the clubhouse, and at 0 cost.

    if they still stink, he would then be a real good trade chip.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    he also played with a strained quad for half the season, then with a concussion for a whole month.

    and his career low was still leaps and bounds better than granderson’s current numbers.

    Grandy is looking more like Bay 2010 than Beltran 2005

  • StrawberryPiazzaWright

    Panama has nothing to do with how Tejada deals with things in the majors, buddy. The comment did come across as a bit insensitive. If someone told you to go back to wherever you came from if you disagree with them, would you take it lightly? There is nothing funny about that comment, brother. And I never mentioned the comment was offensive, I said it was insensitive, btw.

  • StrawberryPiazzaWright

    I understand, but when you make a similar comment in reference to someone who came from a different country, he or she would not take it lightly like we would. Understand?

  • Jakal42400

    Aside from a radical line-up change does Flores slot in the 7th hole, and TdA get moved down to 8th immediately?

  • Mike

    Inferior to Murphy based on what? How many gms did Flores play over there? Doesn’t take much to be superior than murph at second

  • Not4

    Don’t follow the last part of your post, as he has been managing in the minors for several years. Is there something you are aware of that is coming down the pike? Or are you just opining that if he were ever to manage at the MLB level, he wouldn’t last more than a few weeks? Either way, can you elaborate?

    As for his being narcissistic and a crackpot, I’d say that most managers are narcissistic, so that doesn’t scare me. As for a crackpot, again, it would take a little more clarity what specifically you are referring to and how it would impact his ability to manage.

    Either way, I’d take him over Collins.

  • Captain America

    I don’t know if anyone said this but in the daily news some anonymous scout basically compared Flores to putting Murphy at SS….

  • Arjun Vidudala

    Unrelated question, can we somehow obtain ethier, if the outfield is an offensive bust?

  • Andrew Doris

    You think substituting Wilfredo Tovar in for Lucas Duda is “no loss in offense”? You’re out of your mind.

  • billpulsipher

    listening to you people rave about Flores, you sound liek sandy and his clones raving about Duda….

    from Daily News
    “He was getting beat bad on fastballs inside last year,” said one
    teammate of Flores’ injury-marred time with the Mets in 2013, when he
    batted .211. “That doesn’t have anything to do with his ankle.”

  • goorru

    The team coaches,and scouts.

  • billpulsipher

    no

  • MattSzat

    He’s not Ruben Tejada, plain and simple.

  • Mike

    Comparing the two is apples and oranges. Tejada has been going downhill for a while now. TDA has been in the bigs for less than three months. And to include spring training numbers is ridiculous. Mike moustakas hit 500 the last two spring trainings only to stink it up after. They mean nothing ur grasping at straws there. He needs more time, less than three months is to early to panic and send him down, especially for Juan centeno! TDA has shown signs of breaking out, go to his gm log. Also his babip is 224, he’s hitting balls, just at people.

  • goorru

    Why?he seems like he’s lost it. .248 2 home runs slugging .337

  • Agee’s Catch

    no one is.

  • Mike

    The only thing I ever read was that his range was an issue but he had soft hands. The fitness camp helped with his range so much so that he went back to ss a position he hasn’t played in two yrs. Either way, he has to be better than Murphy anywhere in the the diamond. Murph is a dh playing second

  • goorru

    He made 7 errors in 25 games this year at SS that’s a lot of errors. 40+ in a full season. That’s not a range problem.

  • Arjun Vidudala

    Seems like ethier could use a change of scenery, after puig came up the dodgers were barely using him definite morale downer, even though hes a pretty good hitter, contact hitter, hits for avg and drives in a decent amt of runs seems better than wat we seem to have nw, most of our guys are power hitters rather than contact or am i way off here?

  • mad met

    Was that tehada

  • goorru

    Ethier has been bad, would you pay $16 million/year for a guy hitting .248/.306/.337.

  • Actually yeah it kind of does…I wonder which phantom ignorant source said this? Your legs and feet have a lot to do with hitting. I love it when people who probably never played the game at a high level or any decent level post stupid things. If you do not understand the mechanics of a swing or athletics in general stop posting. It’s like when people discuss pitching and have no F**king clue what they’re talking about, it’s wasteful and annoying. Also he batted .211 while injured and drove in 9 RBI in his first six of seven games which is a Mets team record.. That all stopped once he got hurt… Facts…

  • Arjun Vidudala

    reply nt wrking -_- he hasnt been that bad last couple years and for all we knw it mite be a slow start, though ur point is valid based on current stats

  • Also lets remember one other thing.. FLORES IS ONLY 22! He has a lot of upside and when you put his age in perspective. He has always played against and succeeded against older, bigger, more advanced players. More facts.. I know facts just annoy people.

  • Mike

    Hopefully he was just shaking off the rust. Plus the Pcl and LV in general are known for their bad infields. The ground is very hard since it’s s desert.

  • Hotstreak

    Yes its my job to offend those like you who deserve it. Freedom of speech has its price. Stupidity of SA lovers who are apologist for SA who wrecked this team. Jason Bay is afraid to comment here because he knows what is comming. We had enough of SA aplologist. Time for them to shut up like JB. But you show you really are not a NY Met fan if what is going on is OK by you. If you are offeded and I hope so then I did my job..

  • Hotstreak

    Weak argument. That is all you can say?

  • SCarton12

    Go back to wherever you came from. Sorry if I was little insensitive.

  • metsfan79

    Didnt he bat 270 with 17 hr and 85 rbis his first year 330 obp 20 steals yeah thats beyond awful.

  • gary s.

    Let me see if i understand this. The same front office that moved Flores from ss to 3rd base because he was a lousy fielder at ss, now will bring him up and expect him to shine at ss because they were too dumb and cheap to get a real ss in the offseason..This plan has success written all over it!! Just like using Dice K in the 8th inning and a washed up Valverde in the 9th inning because we were too cheap to get another closer..Good lord!!

  • gary s.

    His numbers his first 5 years in the bigs were Hall of fame numbers..Than the people who pay him to be a star, moved him into the grand canyon of ballparks..Yeah, that’s all his fault..The only thing i blame him for is that he was dumb enough to resign as a free agent with these losers..

  • AJ NISBETT

    I agree with u 100 percent flores is a great option I hate people bashing this guy he was awesome b4 he hurt his ankle but everyone seems to forget that

  • AJ NISBETT

    I’m reading some the post down below nd I’m sorry but back an would be a huge upgrade over tc back an has the respect of his players every player that has played for him say they have the upmost respect for him nd the guy has the fire to win nd he would def bring a championship to this city

  • derek murphy

    Flores is a hitting machine and plays Johnny Peralta type defense. The only difference is he’s young and can get better. What I don’t get is half the people who are dogging him are the same who wanted to sign Peralta. Flores has a very unique hitting skill set. The guy talking about gettin beat by fastballs is out of his mind. Wilmer Flores could be the mets best hitter in one months time. He is the first position player I’m this excited about since wright and Reyes. It’s not a question of will he be good but how good will he be. When he was young people said he looked like Miguel Cabrera n some people laughed. He went out and put up very similar numbers for the next few years. While he’s not Cabrera they do have a lot of similararities. Flores will continue to be an RBI machine, hit for power and have a great avg. he can drive in 100 runs easily. His power make some time at home but 20 homers and over a 300 avg.

  • derek murphy

    Hopefully he gets off to a good start. He could be our best option at clean up in no time. Getting TC to put him in the clean up spot won’t be easy. Now that he’s up you know something stupid is about to come out of tc’s mouth. Like they will split time or Reuben’s still my guy. God forbid he gets a hr first game it will be right to bench. Natera brought the best out of him and he’s the batting coach for the Latin players so Flores should hit the ground running. This changes the excitement meter on this club considerably.

  • FalseHustle

    Yup. What bugs me the most isn’t the ignorance- I argue amicably with all sorts of people who refuse to acknowledge advanced statistics and I wholly understand why they find them dehumanizing. The newer stats often run contrary to a narrative (grit! pitching to the score! clutchiness!) many fans would be more comfortable maintaining. That’s fine.

    What bothers me is how some people are so steeped in their ignorance and so insecure in their lack of understanding that they feel the need to attack and insult anyone who uses the stats to enhance their enjoyment of the game. Maybe I’m wrong, but you never see a saber person launching an unprovoked attack on the other side. It’s sad, and sometimes makes reading comments here a frustrating chore. And yet I can’t look away…..

  • Mike B

    I’m excited to see him as well, but somebody earlier this year throwing heat really ate him up. So, he did get pretty beat by fastballs. I think they were plus 95. He only played one game, but he had 2 k’s in 4 AB’s. It was against the Nats. Don’t remember who it was, but it was one sided, that’s for sure.

  • BCleveland3381

    Because guys cant throw 95 inside in AAA? Please.

  • mad met

    Hope he can bat cleanup

  • Metropolitan

    Why do I get the feeling Omar will be back in the with the Mets again some how

  • Lotus1209

    Does anyone know why Cecchini was taken out of the game today?

  • 2 articles on Wilmer Flores from today that might be of interest to some.

    “This season he leads Pacific Coast League shortstops with seven errors (four throwing, three fielding) but also with 82 assists and 21 double plays.”
    http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/what-to-expect-mets-ss-wilmer-flores/

    “Ever since I have had him in 2011, he has been a run producer,” said Backman of Flores, who was hitting .307 with five doubles, a triple and five home runs for the 51s. He had 25 RBI in 126 plate appearances. “He can hit. I don’t know what the plans are for how they are going to use him, but if he’s given the chance, Flo can hit.”
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/backman-flores-hit-struggling-mets-article-1.1785299

  • Hotstreak

    Sounds good until they say Flores is NOT a SS long term. Murphy is my favorite Met but is gone by trade deadline for maybe a adequate SS plus a prospect..

  • KMO82

    Some sort of right knee issue.

  • KMO82

    I wonder if any of the throwing errors had anything to do with Dykstra over at first. He isn’t exactly a gold glover over there but then again neither is Duda.

  • PessiMets

    I would start ey over cy as well

  • Bail4Nails

    Bold Prediction: IF he is allowed to play the whole season, Wilmer Flores will Lead the Mets in RBI.

  • Hotstreak
  • ed charles

    Okay, now why is Satin and Valverde still on the big club? Black and Soup should be up — at the very least Dysktra or Lutz instead of Soup. Make a point: you have to hit up here or you go back to AAA.

  • Bail4Nails

    Good articles. Wally Backman seems to know these young Met players pretty well. He also makes a lot of sense in Interviews. I just wish there was a bigger role available for Wally. Hmmm.
    Where do we have a need? Hmmm.

  • Joey D.

    The Mets need a bat and it seems Flores has the potential to fill that need. I am just glad that Wilmer is again going to get his chance but this time not at the expense of trading Murphy which so many thought would be easy to replace. Daniel is an established hitter and the Mets are in no position to trade one of the few that they have for one who is still of unknown quantity.

    Of course, we all know we are going to have to hope that Wilmer can indeed be able to at least hold his own at short. It’s all right now a mixed bag of opinion but we should look beyond 2014. Remember Murphy circa 2011 and how he is today. So the Wilmer we see today might certainly not be the Wilmer we see next season nor the one after that.

  • Hotstreak

    Intersection of Lagaress and Flores equals RUNS.

    Intersection of Wright and Grandy equals WASTED PAYROLL

    Intersection of Wilpons and Sandy equals _________ (moderator alert)

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Cabrera was doing it at age 20. The great ones show it early. Pujols-21. Gooden-19. But even if he’s a notch below Miggy he has a chance to be the teams biggest run producer, not that that would take much at this point.

  • Scottydoeskno328

    ROY?

  • omar minayass

    wouldn’t be surprised to see tejada still get a decent amount of playing time. i just don’t see TC (sandy) giving the starter gig to flores right off the bat.

  • Hotstreak

    Flores DH at Yankee Stadium.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’ve seen waaaay more reports that Flores just doesn’t cut it defensively. This is awfully glossy a report

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Hard to call someone up go be a bench player and say “hit or else “

  • CJM

    Flores to 3rd base. Send Wright out to pasture. It is so clear that he is done.

  • KMO82

    Reid with the appearance in Vegas. Is Lannan around anymore?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    What does “a notch below Miggy” mean? You mean defensively?

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Lol I love that commercial.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Does anybody have any reasonable idea why Puello is sitting in favor of A. Brown and the hat trick twins (Nieuwenhuis & den Dekker)??

  • billpulsipher

    world series here we come

  • Scottydoeskno328

    “But even if he’s a notch below Miggy he has a chance to be the teams biggest run producer”

    If your a notch below miggy then your an MVP candidate lol.

  • metsfansince64

    Is it worth noting that they didn’t wait for Super Two in this case?

  • Hotstreak

    Puello is on inactive list and no reason announced.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Great. Makes me wonder if he’s “hurt” or did he tell Richie 4-12-2 to take his hitting approach and shove it!!!!

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Update: Capt K now with the Golden Sombrero!! Yup, he should be starting over Puello as well.

  • MetsFanSantaMonica

    they say personal reasons…possibly family related.

  • Hotstreak

    Big mystery why no reason given.

  • Rocky Thompson

    They had him batting 3rd tonight.

  • KMO82

    Puello is not with the team right now for personal reasons, supposed to be back tomorrow.

  • CJM

    Positive test to be announced sometime next week.

  • Lotus1209

    He was taken out after hitting a double.

  • mets4lyfe

    They called up Wilmer last year. I believe the Mets would’ve had to wait until late August to avoid Flores’ Super Two.

  • Alberto Salebe

    Yeah Omar Minaya to replace you know who !!!!

  • Monix

    Yea let’s bring up a lefty in Dykstra to fill the right handed pinch hitter role. Good call.

  • Hotstreak

    Joe Torre No. 6 to be retired by Yankees.

    Yes we need to retire DW and his No. 5 too.

  • Hotstreak

    “My fervent hope is that Collins puts Flores in a position to succeed.”

    That would be 3B.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Ok, I feel better now

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Well then this would something to rejoice. Him coming back would signal a new ownership group!!!

  • CJM

    What should they do with Wright?

  • Hotstreak

    Trade him to a contender even Yankees for a decent prospect (top 4 or 5 in organization and pay about 30% of contract. Cut losses. No more good money after bad. No more holding back Flores from 3B. Most importantly get production in the lineup.

  • goorru

    He’s been awful so far. He’s had 94 AB’s so he’s been playing, maybe he misses the juice.

  • Bail4Nails

    People to replace (in order):
    1. The Wilpons
    2. Sandy Alderson
    3. Dave Hudgens
    4. Terry Collins
    5. Jose Valverde
    6. Kyle Farnsworth

    Whether you like them or not, Daniel Murphy, Juan Lagares, and David Wright are the best position players on this team right now. Unless you are Guaranteed to receive a better player or players in Return, you do not trade them.

  • CJM

    That’s a pretty big risk, don’t you think? What if Flores fails?

  • Hotstreak

    Flores would be in a position to succeed at 3B

    SS is not his long term position. Is his range good enough. Is his range adeqate for 2b for DP? Dillion Herrera will be coming soon. Did Flores ever play 1b?

  • Hotstreak

    DW salary takes up 25% of teams payroll. DW’s production is not worth it. He is blocking Flores at 3B and aquisition of players such as Jose’ Aberu.

  • Hotstreak

    CJM: Hi Buddy: I have to be honest, unless you can provide a link even a rumor please do not say that even if the guy in the past was a PED offender.

  • CJM

    Shortstop might not be his long term position, but it can be his position right now. If he hits, it puts the Mets in a better position to trade Wright, if that’s what they want to do. Trading Wright while Flores has yet to prove he can hit in the majors would be a big risk. It’s moot, anyway. They will never trade Wright, whether that’s the right or wrong move.

  • Bail4Nails

    We cannot sign Jose Abreu, he has already signed a multi-year deal with the White Sox.
    While Wright’s contract is very large, it should not be 25% of our Payroll (see #1 of people to replace).
    Wilmer Flores is going to surprise you. While the Infield Defense may give us Heartburn on a daily basis, our Lineup improves dramatically with Flores in addition to Wright.
    If they Fired Hudgens, and let these Hitters do what got them to the Majors, our Offense wouldn’t be a Problem.
    Do this, and put Warthen in charge of When to Pull the Pitcher, and the Mets MIGHT still have a chance this Season.
    As a Met fan, I have a lot of Headaches. David Wright is the LEAST of them.

  • Hotstreak

    Unfortunately you are correct. However you asked what I would do and that is my answer:)

  • derek murphy

    He had a lot of rushed throws not sure what to do with ball at all times. He will be much better once things become 2nd nature. I seen him make a couple of sick plays like run into OF for cutoff n throw a strike to the plate.

  • derek murphy

    He can succeed at SS. He’s Johnny Peralta 2.0 he will drive in more runs & will always hit over 300.

  • CJM

    Yeah I really do like Wright. I wish the Mets would have done more to build a capable team with Wright involved, but that hasn’t come to pass. Although part of me likes the idea of Wright spending his whole career with the Mets, the logical part of me believes he should’ve been traded in the off-season before 2013, when Dickey was traded.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    “My fervent hope is that Collins puts Flores in a position to succeed”

    Bat him 3rd now! Crazy? Maybe so, but it pieces everyone where they need to be in the lineup at this moment in time.

    1) Lagares
    2) Murphy
    3) Flores
    4) Duda
    5) Wright
    6) Granderson
    7) C. Young
    8) d’Arnaud

  • Hotstreak

    About 4 or 5 years ago the Mets were playing the Diamondbacks. I think in Phoenix although not positive.

    DW was in a bad slump. He fouled off mean sliders just barely to stay alive.Then he got the winning hit. Maybe it was a homer. Yes that seems now like a rarity.

    I was so enthusiastic and I posted on the other blog an analogy of the Greek mythology fable of the Phoenix Bird. He eventually burns himself up and then is reborn to do the same process again and again. I declared DW was reborn to the superstar yes I thought he was the 2nd coming of Joe Diamaggio in his youth. All the DW haters now loved that DW.

    A kill joy answered my post that DW is a has been and don’t count on his rebirth. That was at least 4 years ago.

    Just recently I said I was a DW critic and not a hater. However now I think a lot of hate has built up. You know why. Not 100% because of DW but those DW LOVERS (I use to be one) who can’t see he is nothing special any more.

    Home grown yes. This year he shows he is definately not HOF. He maybe an albatrose contract right now. If not now then soon he will be.

  • Hotstreak

    Please read my post below about the Phoenix Bird in Greek Mythology. Yes Jose’ Aberu was signed NOT by the Mets due to payroll constraints which DW represents.

  • Hotstreak

    http://nypost.com/2014/05/08/minayas-mess-is-whats-saving-aldersons-mets-now/

    Go ahead bad mouth the guy (Joel Sherman) who reported accurately.

  • YouBHatin

    Good lord I remember that post. I was still SEETHING from watching Wright gag away a 2008 playoff spot with his at bats against the Cubs in the last week of the season. I’m sure I slammed it if it truly was the same post.

    Never forgiven Wright following his EPIC gag in the 2006 NLCS.

  • YouBHatin

    As well he should. The only reason this team is semi-watchable is because of his players.

  • YouBHatin

    Total BS

  • Guest
  • YouBHatin

    You mad, boo? Someone shove your protractor inside your ear and twist slowly?

    Maybe I’m just a bully online like I am in real life? Maybe I used to mock nerds in the schoolyards by smacking them up when they tried to be my friend? Maybe I just sneered at unathletic geeky kids who couldn’t do anything other than whine and complain when the jocks weren’t around.

    And is there some sort of atom splitting technology with these idiotic Saberbuffoon stats? No….It’s loved by a bunch of people who love fantasy baseball. It has NOTHING to do with strategy. It’s a collection of time wasting compilation stats that are worth NOTHING. Is there any stat more redundantly mundane than OPS? Show me a guy who hits 300 and drives in 100 ribbies and you will have a damned good player. And you won’t need OPS to prove it…..Unless you’re some bootleg wannabe baseball scientist, who thinks he’s re-inventing the way we analyze players.

    I always love how some dimwit kid tries to talking baseball, yet he’s never played it. He thinks he’s knowledgeable, because he spins some hocus pocus, okey doke numbers like frisbees in the park on a windy day. It’s like a guy trying to tell a woman how much going into labor hurts after watching some YouTube videos of pregnant women going into labor…lol.

    #Comical

  • YouBHatin

    Let’s hope you don’t treat him like you treated Aderlin….lmfao 🙂

  • Destry

    Man, I hope Wilmer crushes baseballs for the next 15 years or so with the Mets.

  • Ice Cold Beard Shine

    My first “definitely not” for a prospect, no. Good call up, but no. Focus on our pitchers. It doesn’t feel good to be negative. I’ll stop now. Posted.

  • Destry

    I don’t mind losing if the other team is better, but to look at the number of one run losses that we have over the last year and first part of this season, knowing how many mental mistakes, and pure recklessness in regards to bullpen management that Terry has produced, he has got to go.

  • oleosmirf

    Stupidity at its finest!

  • DrDooby

    For the time being Sherman is absolutely correct. Finally, the wave of prospects that the Minaya regime procured later in its tenure has arrived and is ready to produce, hopefully along with some of the earlier pieces.

    Mejia, Gee, Niese, eventually Harvey again and Familia certainly form a solid nucleus pitching wise. Flores will hopefully the first impact bat produced under Minaya with all due respect to Lagares, Murphy and maybe Duda who may qualify as solid complementary pieces (though Duda not yet, really).

    And if these players contribute to the Mets winning a title eventually, Omar sure deserves a big thank-you note, if not a ring himself. While it was too little too late to save his job after leaving behind a financial mess with a big assist from Bernie Madoff and depleteted upper levels, these players may well be Omar´s long term Mets legacy.

    That said, also giving Omar credit for very good trades that Alderson made is taking things a bit too far. Wheeler, d´Arnaud and Syndergaard – whatever the outcome may be for them – certainly are all on Sandy, be it good or bad. He could easily have let Beltran´s contract expire and not extended Dickey to a team friendly deal in his first winter as GM and thus ended up with nothing or traded him for JP Arencibia and Anthony Gose or traded Beltran that summer for Gary Brown and essentially ended up with nothing. If Brandon Nimmo ends up becoming a stud player, would Omar get credit for leaving behind a mediocre team and the Mets picking # 13 in the draft ?

    But Sherman is also correct that the impact of the players Alderson has brought in – thus far – has been rather marginal at best. His first 3 years were about getting finances in order and restocking the farm system. For the first time in 2014, we´re actually seeing key “Alderson” players on the roster and not just cheap scrubby fill-ins:

    Wheeler, d´Arnaud, Granderson and to a lesser degree Colon, Chris Young and Eric Young jr. are important “Alderson” players who may or may not be part of the solution here.

    5 years from now, we´ll know whether Sandy´s legacy will be more of financial relevance or whether he´ll have succeeded in building a sustainable annual playoff contender.

  • Destry

    Ha

  • Destry

    All prospects are better than proven major league All-Stars. I keep forgetting that.

  • Destry

    Hes been awful. 2-BB 27-K or something like that with 0-HR and .220 Avg.

  • Destry

    Murphy has been the most important position player on this team for a long time. I don’t understand why people can’t see that. Wright has the big contract and better overall numbers, Murphy is the leader of this team.

  • Destry

    Wow. Very bold. He is already 17 behind Wright, and 15 behind Duda.

  • Destry

    I haven’t seen one ball in the dirt get by Duda this year. He’s been a vaccum cleaner at 1B. Say what you want about the big lug, but he has hit the ball when he has been in the lineup, and he’s picked the ball at 1B.

  • Destry

    Which ones? Mejia with his 5.00+ ERA? Wasn’t Tejada an Omar guy?

  • Destry

    so you think Flores is going to bat over .300 with 20 HRs THIS season? His rookie year?

  • Destry

    Fastballs aren’t going to beat him. What he needs to focus on is not swinging at balls out of the zone and making weak contact.

  • Destry

    Flores isn’t as good defensively at 2B as Murphy. It will be interesting to see if he can be passable at SS. He is going to have to hit a ton for it to make any sense.

  • Destry

    Murphy is better defensively at 2B. There’s no denying that. Flores isn’t coming up to win a gold glove at SS. Hes going to have to hit right away.

  • Destry

    Flores will be a PH playing SS if you think Murphy is a DH playing 2B. How many SS do you know with the nickname “La Tortuga”? AKA “The Turtle”

  • Destry

    What does the ground have to do with a throwing error?

  • Destry

    There is no way anyone could reasonable think that substituting Willie Tovar for Lucas Duda is a wash offensively. That’s silly.

  • Destry

    Who cares? Better than a buffoon pretending he has the first thought in knowing how to manage a baseball team.

  • Destry

    He absolutely does not make the foolish moves that TC does, and even commented how a major league manager needs to know how to manage a bullpen, which was an indirect shot at TC incompetence.

  • Destry

    ANd Piazza

  • Destry

    He has the same numbers that Yadier Molina had through his first 150 or so ABs

  • Destry

    Yeah, except hes not even a real prospect. Hes a bullpen C, and injury replacement at best. He’s the backup in AAA.

  • Destry

    Beltran was injured but Granderson hasn’t been? Did you miss the crash into the wall in Arz in which he was 0 for his next 21? He’s been hitting the ball just fine over the past 2 weeks now that he is healthy.

  • Metfan9876

    What are you talking about? You obviously know nothing about Wright’s value.

  • DrDooby

    Flores should hit lower initially to avoid putting too much pressure on him initially. He´ll be challenged defensively already as it is. Flores will bat 7th or 8th initially and if he hits well, he´ll move up rather quickly.

  • DrDooby

    If you´re unable to carry your homegrown franchise borderline Hall of Fame star hitter financially at an average salary of 18 million on a longterm deal, it´s tough justifying paying 12 million $ per year on an unproven – in the majors – Cuban slugger.

    And the upgrade that Stephen Drew would represent over Ruben Tejada / Omar Quintanilla is at least as big and probably bigger than the upgrade Jose Abreu would be over Lucas Duda, even if Abreu isn´t just off to a hot start but actually a high end hitter anyway.

    The Mets have received below average SS defense and atrocious SS offense so far this season. And last season as well, so this certainly isn´t a small sample size thing like – hopefully – the slow starts of Granderson into his Mets or d´Arnaud into his major league career but rather the manifestation of a known problem that wasn´t addressed.

    And you can´t tell me that the Mets – currently with a projected 85 million $ payroll – wouldn´t have (had) the money to sign either Drew or signing Abreu at his asking price.

    They lost 10 million in 2013 reportedly, had an 88 million $ payroll and just received an extra 27 million in TV money. Do the math, assume all other costs remain equal and you end up with a 105 million $ payroll as “break even”. Deduct a bit for a further slight regression in revenue and still a 95 to 100 million $ payroll should be do-able.And spending an extra 10 to 12 should not be a problem. Without needing a cent from ownership or SNY.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    the best hitter on the team ( murphy)
    the best fielder on the team ( lagares )
    the best pitchers on the team ( harvey…niese…geee…)

    those guys…

  • Just_Da_damaja

    lucas duda aint cutting it…and we have poor defense to boot.

  • DrDooby

    So, to address the severe offensive woes, you suggest trading the Mets ONLY really good hitter to clear payroll space to use on other hitters and make room for a potentially pretty good hitter ?
    Unless you believe Wright just lost it over the winter and unlike most high end 3bmen won´t age well and this is the beginning of a collapse for him after being arguably the best 3bman in the majors in both 2012 and 2013 overall, this doesn´t make too much sense.

    And in a world where the similarly talented Robinson Cano is getting 10-years, 240 million, wouldn´t the 7-years, 130 million or so $ left on the David Wright deal be a bargain compared to that ? So, why throw in money ?

    And by dealing Wright for prospects now, you delay a winning scenario into what, 2016 or 2017 ?

  • Anthony

    No mangia in Miami

  • Julian

    Switch Wright and Flores and our lineup looks awesome

  • Julian

    Are you kidding me? Have you seen Wright’s numbers so far in May- he is snapping out of it. Plus, you would get rid of the face of the franchise, a future hall-of-famer? That seems a little extreme, maybe a few days off wouldn’t hurt but c’mon

  • DrDooby

    Herrera won´t be here until at least late 2015, probably some time in 2016 if all goes well. The kid is barely 20 years old.

    Flores has played 1b at times last year and the question probably is whether he´s good enough defensively at 2b to take over for Murphy at some point over the next year and / or whether he hits well enough to possibly replace Duda at 1b going forward if Duda doesn´t hit enough.

    Yes, Flores´ ideal position would be 3b defensively. But that happens to be filled by David Wright. And since Flores – according to even the more optimistic scouts – doesn´t have David Wright´s offensive upside, it´s doubtful the Mets would make room for the – likely – lesser player.

  • DejaVu

    Jose Abreu is not available. Move on.

  • Dark HelMet

    That’s not lofty or anything.

  • DejaVu

    Herrera will not be here for another 2 years or so. Simmer down.

  • Dark HelMet

    proven how?

  • Dark HelMet

    You have awful opinions.

  • DejaVu

    I think I’m the only one who has no faith in Puello. Not to be a downer, but his numbers in the minors, never said “special”, except for last year. So many on here fancy him a franchise-changing talent, and I don’t see it; I just don’t. I thik he’ll be on the roster eventually, but as a complimentary piece, not as a franchise-saving superstar.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    what was he hitting before the crash?

    damn this sounds more like bay the more i look at it.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    with wright on this roster, we are not winning til 2020.

  • owlnut

    Hudgens is Alderson’s guy. As long as SA is GM, Hudgens stays. SA is trying to get everyone in the Mets farm system and Majors to hit the way Hudgens teaches.

  • owlnut

    I would have kept Q and dfa’d Tejada.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Happy Wilmer Day! Naaah, he’s not a savior or anything

  • Just_Da_damaja

    flores does not have david wright’s upside?

    maybe this was true in 2004…

    but the 31 year old wright’s upside is .290-.300 with 21-25 HR and 90 RBI…

    thats what ur gonna get from DW now…

    IMO, Flores is our version of Manny Machado…

    Would u take Manny Machado over David Wright?

  • metsfan79

    He guys think he’s going to be the starting ss ?

  • Dark HelMet

    why?

  • Nmartz

    “The San Diego Mets” Sad but true.

  • CyYout

    I see where you’re coming from, but that ship has sailed. If the Mets had had any guts, they would have done a complete rebuild like the Astros and had one or two years of being completely awful instead of just fourth place finishes and maybe we would be further along in the process, but it’s too late for that. They made their decision and Wright is a very good player signed to — by today’s terms — a very reasonable contract. We’re winning or losing with him at 3B so no sense in crying over perceived spilled milk.

  • Helloboy

    yes. or else it was stupid to make the move.

  • Helloboy

    Flores will hit 7th. to start off. i can actually see idiot Collins hitting him 8th.

    I still like Granderson 2 and Murphy cleanup with Duda 6. I thought it was at least working well that way.

  • Helloboy

    That is not Peralta 2.0. Peralta is not even close to a .300 hitter.

  • Helloboy

    2 Months ago the majority screamed for Flores to be the starting SS. These threads are a mystery to me. Where is the thunderous cheers for the move? It is the first time they did what the fans wanted in a long time.

  • Sylow59

    And Omar would have traded them for the El Duques of the world.

  • RyanF55

    The question is……Will Wilmer be in the lineup tonight? He better be.

  • Sylow59

    Intersection of Hotstreak and reality = the null set.

  • RyanF55

    I think most fans are just defeated at this point. I love the move…let’s see…would you rather have Omar Quinanilla on your roster, or Wilmer Flores? I don’t think that question should take more than a 1/2 second to answer hahah. I guess the same question can be posed about Tejada.

  • Mikey

    You know it just is possible that they could move Wright to SS and play Flores at 3B.
    But if you ask me I expect them to do to Flores what they did to Lagares and waste him on the bench with sporadic at bats until such time as he beats Tejada for the regular job.

  • TC’s talking head

    I said that almost a year ago. If wright is truly a team player, leader, and cares about what’s best for the team, then he should move to SS and have Wilmer take 3rd. Less pressure on the young guy so he can succeed. But we all know Captain pretty boy won’t do it.

  • DrDooby

    Yes, I would take Manny Machado over David Wright. I´d also take Mike Trout over Juan Lagares.

    But even David Wright´s upside you mentioned (matching or being slightly below his 2013 and 2012 combined totals, save for the RBI due to a lack of players OB for him to even drive in or due to an unwillingness of pitchers throwing strikes in big spots with no real force behind him) is ahead of what at least 90 % of scouts view as the CEILING of Wilmer Flores.

    And I happen to really like Flores. I´ve repeatedly written that his upside is an Allen Craig type bat. That´d be a .290 BA, .345 OBP, .475 SLG type bat. Which is certainly nice – but well below David Wright´s career totals or 2012/2013 production.

    Now, if you believe that David Wright´s 2014 production so far is a prelude of things to come, then obviously Flores would be a better choice. But assuming this is not Wright´s start of a fast and steep decline, it seems a bit overly optimistic to expect Flores to emerge as an All Star caliber bat.

  • TC’s talking head

    Bout damn time they promote him and bench pudgy boy tejada.

  • TC’s talking head

    I collins doesn’t make Wilmer the full time starting SS then he should be shot and killed by someone in the stands ala Abe Lincoln. Just dont put Collins old ugly @ss face on any US currency after he’s gone. Leave Mr. Met on met money.

  • Hotstreak

    Is NULL SET a Murphy Lover which I was accused of being?

  • Hotstreak

    I advocated that and no one here bought in.

  • Hotstreak

    Actually the short period AROD was a FA, DW said he would move to SS to accomodate him.

  • DrDooby

    Except for RBI – which is more a matter of circumstances and the clowns batting ahead of or behind him – Wright has been one of the Top 3 3bmen in the majors for the past two seasons. Look at his numbers and check out the numbers of players like Longoria, Beltre, Zimmerman, etc. Wright – like many players – has always been a bit streaky. He is not a player who gives you an .800 to .950 OPS every month but he´ll have months of 1.000+ OPSing and months of .700 OPSing – that´s been true for his entire career. And don´t blame the Mets losing ways on him. The LA Angels were a sub .500 team in 2013 in spite of having the best player in Baseball, Mike Trout, on their roster. Baseball is a team sport and no very good or even great player can win games all by himself.

    Now, the slow start in 2014 is a modest concern. In the past, Wright usually had a hot 1st half and then often started fading down the stretch sort of with the team wide fade. This year, he changed some of his regimen & spring training activity and apparently it has now led to a slow start for him. Tough schedule or not. Hopefully, he´ll avoid the late season swoon this year.

    Objectively speaking, David Wright is among the least of many concerns for this franchise. Hopefully Wilmer Flores will be an offensive spark for this challenged lineup and can show that he has a legit MLB bat – even if in all likelihood he´s not the answer at SS going forward.

  • DrDooby

    Oh and this is no blind DW love but just stating facts and looking around the league and the 21st century where a .290 BA / .380 OBP / .500 SLG line with 50 extra base hits puts you into the Top 25 hitters in the majors class. And if you happen to be a good fielding 3bman too, you´re easily a Top 25 in the majors position player and an All Star / borderline HOF caliber player.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    This is a win-win. Either he’s great, or at least better than Tejada, and we start playing better. Or he’s terrible and we can finally put this whole “Flores can play SS” thing to bed.

  • DrDooby

    Since Puello was never even mentioned as an afterthought for any Top 100 prospects in the majors list in recent history, it appears there´s an industry wide reluctance. The gap between how Mets fans value Puello and how the industry and maybe his own organization seem to value him is a lot bigger than for any other current Mets prospect. Apparently, the belief is that for all his tools, he can be pitched to and will struggle against pitchers who command their pitches.

    Remember OF Ryan Thompson, part of the David Cone trade over 20 years ago ?

  • RyanF55

    Hahah tell us how you really feel

  • Just_Da_damaja

    im projecting the next 3-4 years.

    I dont see wright getting better…just slowly worse…

    in a year or 2, Flores ceiling will surpass Wright’s production on this met team in this stadium with this lineup..

    DW would have much more value as a trade chip…

  • RyanF55

    Quite simply it’s a move that had to be made and one that makes sense. Zero offense from Mets SS, Flores is destroying the baseball…the timing is right. Hopefully he hits, and hopefully his glove isn’t a total liability. I’m hoping this guy tears it up LGM

  • Mikey

    LOL you know what that says to me Hotstreak?
    It’s probably the right move!
    But you know WHY they are against it right?
    means Wright won’t be making anymore All Star Games! He may be one of the best 3Bs but he won’t be one of the best SSs in the Voting…Tulo will beat him out for the start EVERY time!

  • Mikey

    Oh I bet he would do it…I just wouldn’t expect him to be any good at it.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    We’ll see what he does. I think the line about “many scouts and evaluators” saying he’s made great strides is a bit too glossy. I haven’t read anything favorable that didn’t come from someone connected to the Mets, eg Ricco being quoted here.

  • Hotstreak

    “Now, if you believe that David Wright´s 2014 production so far is a prelude of things to come, then obviously Flores would be a better choice.”

    Yes the decline started: DW SLG % .350 after over 20 % of season is pathethic. No hr. since opening day I think over 130 AB. That is a new negative record for him. His BABIP is a decent I believe .350. He is hitting weak balls that fall in or easy fly outs. Yes a few were creamed and caught but not enough to say bad luck. He is going one for 4 daily and is not an impact player.

    Do you think I am glad. I am sad. But the over hype is insult to fans who see he is not the way he was which we cling on too at least DW lovers which we all at one time were.

    Yes at Yankee Stadium he will be revived. Citi Field is an excuse yes. But enough excuses we are not winning with him. If his salary was 18% of payroll at 130 M then he could be justified.

  • Joe

    If he is terrible, however, we need to sign / trade for a SS. It’s an absolute must, not an option. We can’t settle for Tejada

  • Hotstreak

    Unfortunately your assesment was correct.

  • DejaVu

    I do remember him…I think he was actually pegged as the big prize from that trade…and never panned out. Jeff Kent worked out better…and we traded HIM, fror the great Carlos Baerga

  • Not4

    Or maybe Wright cannot be an everyday SS – only an emergency guy. And maybe moving your best player off his natural position, that we plays very well defensively, and moving him to another position he will struggle with does not really make sense. Nah, you’re right. It has nothing to do with on field play, but rather all about AS recognition.

  • Not4

    If memory serves, he said that he would move anywhere on the diamond and the intimation was 1B or 2B more than SS. And that was a few years back when Wright was younger

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’m curious what their plan is if Flores can’t handle it. Will they make a trade, sign Drew, or use someone else within?

  • RyanF55

    I think it is what it is. He’s a solid bat, not a great glove. It of course worries me that he’s playing up the middle with suspect defense, but he’ll have the chance to prove the doubters wrong and be solid out there. We can’t have him committing errors every game though, I know that. An error can completely derail an inning, but the Mets needed to make this move. It’s time to see what we have.

  • RyanF55

    I hope if Flores fails, its prompts an outside the organization move. It would have to..they can’t go back to Tejada as a starter ever again. It would be time to approach Drew again, and I guess, Boras would win. Let’s hope it never gets to that point.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’m not hopeful it’ll be worth it. We’re a team built on pitching and that defense is soooo important. I saw a stat recently where the Mets are near the bottom of the league in opponent’s batting average on ground balls. That’s not going to get better with Flores.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I hope they give Flores every day until the draft and then re-assess. Sign Drew at that time if they want. Or, give him till the ASB and make a trade.

  • Sylow59

    Because its a patently stupid idea

  • CyYout

    I don’t care if he makes three errors tonight. That bat needs to be in this league, especially on this team. He will prove he can smash at this level and at the very least up his trade value.

  • Hotstreak

    THANKS FOR YOUR OPINION.

  • Hotstreak

    DW only way to ASG at 3B in the future will be sentiment not merit.

  • Mikey

    Best Player?

    At this point I would say that title belongs to Lagares or Murphy.

  • Sylow59
  • Sylow59

    Any time.

  • Hotstreak

    Maybe you are correct but I thought it was SS which DW plays in am emergency

  • Taskmaster4450

    For all the mismangement and handling of players over the years, I actually think the Mets handled the Flores situation the way it should have been handled. To start him in NYC when moving him to SS was a stupid idea. The guy hasnt mastered big league pitching yet and so many wanted him up meaning he would have to do that WHILE getting reacquainted with the SS position. That is a very difficult task. Even when sent down, he struggled with AAA pitching, something he had mastered. Over the last couple weeks, as he settled in defensively, his bat woke up. Amazing how that happens.

    Wilmer will have his struggles as any young player will. But now is the time for him to show what everyone has known….the kid can hit. Defensively I just hope he makes the plays that he can get to. If he does that along with a solid bat, it is a winning move.

    And dont worry about Collins sitting him on the bench….I dont think that option is available to him.

  • Oy Jimbo, I defend Montero more than Zack Wheeler, so go screw yourself, like you should.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Defeated because they are 2.5 games out of first place after getting trounced by two very hot teams in their home ballparks where their record, thus far, is unbelievable?

    Typical Met fans, not understanding what is going on.

  • Not4

    You’re a funny guy. Always loved Murphy. Really like Lagares. At this point – literally at this point – it is insane to suggest that either is better than Wright.

    Wright has gotten off to a slow start, no doubt. But this is the same guy who put up a 5.9 WAR as recently as – wait for it – LAST YEAR. And in only about 500 PAs. And it was good enough to rank him 8th in the entire NL.

    Perhaps you want to re-consider your position? Unless your argument is who has gotten off to a better start the first 6 weeks of the season, but that then does not really address the point above – of why move your best player (not hottest) from a position where he is strong to one where he’ll stink, at best?

  • RyanF55

    Get used to it.

  • RyanF55

    He has to be. He has to play everyday, be it here or elsewhere.

  • TC’s talking head

    If I did, I would have the feds at my door. Oh wait, that already happen once, muahahahhaha 😛

  • TC’s talking head

    Thank god the mets didn’t sign him!!!!!!

  • RyanF55

    That article is BS. Yes, some of Omar’s guys are producing now, but that’s because they’ve had time to develop. Nimmo, Montero, Syndergaard, …those are Sandy’s guys. They just haven’t had time to prove their worth yet. It’s timing…if Sandy’s fired in 3 years the same article might be written about the next GM using Sandy’s guys to clean up their mess. Prospects take years to develop…that’s why Omars guys are showing up now, and why Sandy’s guys will be showing up down the road.

  • TC’s talking head

    Every time I see a pic of tejada, I wanna vomit! But everytime I see a pic of Wilmer, I think I might be gay :P. Just kidding. But seriously, Wilmer is a breath of fresh air compared to the smell of a dead moose a.k.a. tejada.

  • Hotstreak

    Murphy for who ?

  • ed charles

    right, because right hand hitting PINCH hitter is crucial to a team with the lowest BA in the majors.

  • TC’s talking head

    Agreed. Even if Wilmer hits .250, with 5 hr’s and makes 20 errors for the rest of the season he would still be better than tejada. However, I see him hitting better than that and his glove will be average. He has a great throwing arm, so that’s a plus on defense.

  • TC’s talking head

    I hate boras, and Drew is an idiot to reject 14 million. Screw them both!

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well, almost half his errors at SS this season have been throwing, so we’ll see how he does.

    Personally, if all those errors are costing us games, I don’t care what he’s hitting.

  • Hotstreak

    You are Mr. Negativity when it comes to assessing Murphy. If you were NULL SET it would be a positive.

  • Hotstreak

    And you would have traded Murphy for a bag of old balls.

  • Monix

    Do I really need to explain to you how baseball works?

  • Hotstreak

    DW upside is .285/..340/.740

  • Joey D.

    Hi Destry,

    Hey, we’ve found another issue we can agree on!

  • Sylow59

    He’s an o really average player. That is my opinion and the opinion of most of baseball.

  • Sylow59

    The best deal I ever heard regarding Murphy was for a MI reliever.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    If those errors cost a couple runs you’ll change your tune pretty quick.

  • mattbalasis

    He won’t be … Collins is a nut, he’s a strange and nervous little white haired gremlin who should go find a mushroom forest he can cultivate near a tree root somewhere and leave our Mets alone.

  • RyanF55

    Flores has to play everyday, here or in Vegas. He better start.

  • Hotstreak

    Ha! True to form.

  • Hotstreak

    You hit on something:

    Both DW and Murphy are home grown and over hyped. But DW was once a superstar. Therefore he is over hyped and loved more. Face of Franchise vs. face of grit and grind and over acheivement..

  • Mike

    What exactly are you basing that on? Because Murphy, to me is about as low as you can go defensively. He boots a play every gm, and he has to stand in rf to make up for his lack of range there’s no way Flores is WORSE than murph if u wanna say on par ok maybe but even that is a stretch

  • Mike

    Are all seven errors throwing?

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    I disagree. Flores doesn’t come across to me as a guy who would be pressured being put into a big spot in the order, but rather take up the challenge. I’m tired of seeing these guys get babied. I’d understand if Flores was coming up into the majors for the first time for him to bat low, but he’s not. For all we know, he can be that run producer here & now that makes everything click.

  • Mikey

    Ah WAR Spouter….Explains it all!

    NEXT!

  • Mikey

    The question really should be…
    Will Wright be a better SS than Flores and will Flores be that much worse at 3B than Wright would?

    All a matter of where you want to take the negative.
    If Flores can play 3B as good as Wright and Wright would be a better SS than Flores you gain.

    If Flores can’t play SS or Wright can’t play it then maybe you just leave him there.

  • Not4

    Far from it. But someone who is willing to learn a little and has learned how good of an indicator WAR is for evaluating players. But pick any legitimate set of stats and it will reveal the sheer lunacy in your statement.