Righting The Wrongs

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Usually I’m not the type to tell someone “I told you so”. It’s annoying at best and at its worst it can make you want to slug the person who says it. That doesn’t mean there aren’t times when facts are so evident that they hit you in the face leaving you feeling like Delino DeShields Jr. after a close encounter with a 90 mph fastball. When it comes to the future of Jenrry Mejia, unfortunately all I can say is – I told you so.

You see it was about 4 years ago right here on Metsmerized when I wrote an article about what – get this – Omar Minaya and Jerry Manuel should do about Jenrry Mejia. Should he be groomed as the heir apparent to Frankie Rodriguez or “stretched” out and turned into a starting pitcher? Of course as it is with many young players who make their way through this organization, their climb up the rungs is far from dull and uneventful. For Mejia it was a birth by fire.

Get ready, I’m about to quote myself because that’s how I roll.

“Earlier this year Omar Minaya and Jerry Manuel fawned over minor league phenom pitcher, Jenrry Mejia. Somehow through that love affair, the kid surprisingly made the major league team right out of Spring. It was a desperate move then and looking back, it remains the same.

Especially considering one, the kid had barely over 200 innings of work in the minors and two, unbeknownst to him, he was anointed by Jerry Manuel and few other prominent figures around the team, a future Mariano Rivera armed with a Godly cutter and all.

No pressure there Jenrry. Here’s the ball, have fun. Nobody ever accused the Mets of being masters of public relations but this situation took the cake for me. Instead of dealing with the reality of not having a bonafide set-up man, Minaya and Manuel decided to thrust Jenrry Mejia into the spotlight.”

So instead of sending Mejia to AAA to pitch and either succeed or fail all on his own, they set the kid up. In the minors we would’ve learned probably what we know now, that Mejia is lights out for about 3 innings – roughly one time through a lineup as the .160 average against him is right now. But of course in the minds of Minaya and Manuel it was all about winning and winning NOW.

When I look back it disgusts me how this organization handled Mejia. This was supposed to be their crown jewel and they treated him like a cheap Lucas Duda knock-off watch right off of Canal Street. But before we sharpen our knives on Omar and Jerry let’s not forget that while Mejia has had to deal with injuries and multiple surgeries, he’s still a pretty damn good pitcher but the writing is on the wall. Collins and Alderson need to put Mejia in the bullpen despite his desire to start. The more they wait, the more Mejia is going to believe he should be a starter.

I want to bat third in the Mets lineup but it’s not going to happen either, get over it Jenrry. Alderson and his acolytes in Sabermetrics tend to believe that relievers are simply failed starters. Don’t get me wrong, many are but every once in a while you get a diamond that can only go an inning or two.

Alderson found one in Dennis Eckersley and the other just retired last season as the greatest reliever ever. This team needs to right the wrongs that they’ve placed on Jenrry Mejia and prepare him for his proper role as closer for the New York Mets. Hey it’s not like I didn’t say I told you so.

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  • Mariano was a 26 year old failed starter before he became a full time reliever. I guess the Yanks screwed that one up too. Imagine if they had converted him as a 23 year old! Stupid Yanks for trying him as a starter first.

  • Big Daddy D

    Mejia to the pen or trade him for a top hitter. Period!!!

  • JamesWS

    The Mets have the worst bullpen and SS in the MLB. We knew this entering the season.

  • JamesWS

    At what position? We’re already set at OF and 1B.

    *puke*

  • Erin_II

    Can’t help but laugh at Joe Spector strutting around here like a peacock, pounding his chest, and telling me so after two bad starts.

  • Big Daddy D

    But we’re kinda not set at 1B. Duda is OK at best.

  • And ultimately he may be right but like I said the Yanks gave Rivera 78 starts between the minors and majors before deciding.

  • RyanF55

    How quickly things change. Mejia had a 3.49 ERA in April with a 4-1 record. He has a meltdown against Miami, and gets shelled in Colorado in his first start ever in the thin air and we are ready to give up on him? He’s earned the right to pitch his way out of this, and he has that chance this Friday. What if he goes 7 innings of 0 ER ball? He’s the ace again?

    He may project better as a reliever with his issues pitching deep into games, but I believe he’s earned to prove he can be a starter for a few more starts before any drastic move is made. Two bad starts in six is concerning, but not the point to sound the alarm IMO, especially with one of them coming from Coors Field.

  • Bail4Nails

    Is it really impossible for Mejia to figure out how to get through the order a third time? Isn’t this something most young Starting Pitchers go through?
    I wouldn’t be opposed to Mejia Closing, simply because he has the Dominance, Confidence, and Nasty Stuff to be a good one. However, I don’t trust Terry Collins at all with Mejia in the Bullpen (see Jeurys Familia).
    If Mejia were comfortable with Closing, and Super 2 wasn’t a Law of God with this team, I would be pretty comfortable with a combination of Familia/Mejia at the end of Games.
    However, I think we should give Mejia a few more starts to see if he can figure this out. It’s not like DeGrom, Montero, or Thor are getting here anytime soon. That would require Sandy actually doing something. Good luck with that.

  • Exactly perhaps my thoughts on Mo’s beginning are lost because he is a HOF so how about Joe Nathan and his 118 starts before becoming a full time reliever.

    The Mets have not messed up by giving him his chance to be a starter. That being said when they decide this time, if they do, to move him back then IMO it’s done.

  • Duda and his .800ish OPS is hanging in there just fine. So far certainly made the right pick between him and Ike (.551 OPS ugh)

  • Andrew Herbst

    I’d rather have Mieja stick it out as a starter rather than move him to the pen.

  • It really isn’t going to hurt to keep Mejia in the rotation until mid June anyway. If he continues like this then maybe he will realize that he is a reliever. If he fixes it that’s even better.

  • Peter

    Ill be Mejia and you can be the front office. Ask me to pitch in the pen, my answer is I would rather be a starter in triple A. That is not very promising. That is a bad thing right there. Throw the coors field starts out the window because it is Coors. Now continue to keep looking at your stats that he gets hit the third time through the line up, the kid has been in the majors for around two months total and we are pegging him. He can be a very good starting pitcher, top of the rotation even. He needs to make adjustments to get through the order that third time, that’s what young pitchers do, or try to learn how to do. There is no told you so for a young pitcher over his first two months, lol.

    Now with that said because of his injury history I would want him to succeed so he can be involved in a high scale trade for a power hitter. As for now we do need a closer, he could dominate there I agree and we have Montero ready in my opinion, Degrom as well, and Syndergaurd coming up in July if he is pitching good. At this point I see no reason to promote Syndergaurd in July with Montero and Degrom pitching better than him. There is no room for him, maybe he can come up in September and pitch out the pen a little. I would not rush him. In that sense it makes sense for Mejia to close, not go to the bullpen but close, the bad thing is he does not want to go to the bullpen so by forcing him your making him a unhappy person, personally he should do whats best for the team, but like Dice K he like 4 days to plan and get ready for a start, not come out the pen so there is your biggest issue, throw away all your stats and whatever else, if he does not like it that is the biggest issue. It does make sense to try him there if he agreed, it a high profile position so maybe he will take to it, Dice K , Montero, or Degrom could take over in the 5 spot. And if or when Black cuts down on his walks he can set up and you have a new look pen. Mejia could be Neftali Feliz for all we know, it is worth a shot but out of necessity. I would keep him a starter if I had a closer.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Boy oh boy. All that huffing and puffing about Mejia needing to make the rotation out of Spring Training. Then he has a bad start and now he should have been in the pen all along.

    Where were all these “Mejia in the bullpen” voices before?

  • RyanF55

    And there is a certain someone(s) who will need to take a spot in the rotation in mid-summer as well, so there’s options already in waiting.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    It’s hilarious. This site was filled to the rafters with people calling for Mejia to make the rotation out of ST this year. I was slaughtered for even suggesting he needed more work in AAA.

    Then two bad starts, badda bing, badda boom, and now it’s “He should have been in the bullpen!”

    The guys who wanted him in the pen were silent in March. Now the guys who wanted him in the rotation are under rocks.

  • depressed Mets fan

    I wouldn’t mind him closing but he has earned the right to at least show if he can or cannot stick it out in the rotation. And he deserves a lot more time than just two rough outings.

  • Yup. There’s just no reason to make the move yet. Also moving him because “he’s probably a reliever and we need a closer” is about as shortsighted as possible.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    “Usually I’m not the type to tell someone “I told you so”. It’s annoying at best and at its worst it can make you want to slug the person who says it.”

    You’re right about that.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Four years ago I said this team sucked, and I’m still right. Hooray?

  • tacknaf

    yikes, Ike had kind of fallen off my radar so I just looked at his stats. UGLY. he has one RBI since his grand slam.

  • BarnRat

    I agree. I was in favor of him starting coming out of ST and I’m still there. Not being good the third time through the order means a couple of bad innings, not bad games. He will learn and adjust; if for some reason he doesn’t, then the conversation can shift to the BP, but not yet.

  • Nicholas C

    Mejia and Wheeler have the same exact stats through 6 starts so far this season. Yet no one is suggesting that Wheeler be placed in the bullpen!

  • They are also 1-10 in games he has started.

  • Oh I am sure there are. Just have to look for it. That being said total stats does not a case make.

  • Derpy

    Nonsense, what should happen is a piggy back starter, while trying to stretch Mejia out. Remember, this is the most he has thrown for years. He needs to leave the game once he has done through the order twice, the piggy back starter goes through the order twice, and then you send in your closer or whatever you need to finish the game.

    In the minors, Mejia would be throwing five innings per start for the whole year. That is what he is doing in the majors. Now you just need to piggy back him with another starter who throws the other four and you’re set. We have that guy in the system, his name is Jacob deGrom.

  • tacknaf

    damn you gotta feel bad for the kid. First round pick, great first year, just fell off a cliff after a freak injury and then the double whammy with valley fever. you gotta think his career may be over if he can’t turn it around this year.

  • Derpy

    Ps, the way you stretch out a piggy back starter:

    You go strict twice through order.

    Then, after a little while, if the pitcher is having a good game, you give him five full innings.

    Then, after throwing five full innings pretty regularly, you give him a sixth inning.

    Once he is throwing six regularly, you get rid of the piggy back.

  • I think piggy backing might be the way to go for teams in the future. Heck you could even do it now with Dice and Mejia. Because Dice takes so long to warm up, let him start the game, pitch three innings then let Mejia come in and pitch as long as he can go. Good night he finishes it, bad night he turns it over to Torres and closer of the day.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Do you have examples of any other teams doing this?

  • Taskmaster4450

    The manager costs the team more games than either of those.

  • $14435385

    Posted something similar the other day…The challenges with Mejia are twofold: first, he’s not making in-game adjustments. Better pitchers (like Gee, for example) set up at bats #2 and 3 the first time through the lineup. Mejia hasn’t learned how to do that yet, so his approach is similar in inning 1 and innings 5-6. Big leaguers figure stuff like that out.

    The second problem is that he’s an emotional guy and he hasn’t learned to focus on executing pitches when the roof starts to cave in. When he gets upset, he overthrows – not only does that screw up his rhythm, but it also flattens out the natural cutting action his ball has when he’s throwing free and easy.

    I think he can still be an effective starter (though I’ve maintained from early on that he’d have more value as a closer with his repertoire and temperament), but only if he learns to better manage his game plan and emotions.

  • If you do it with a guy like Dice and Mejia with Dice K first you can easily keep Mejia stretched out.

  • Derpy

    Um, how about the Mets farm system? Or, basically, every farm system? Do they count? I believe the Dominican and Venezuelan teams do it as well in their major tournaments. MLB teams have not yet done it, but it is very clearly the wave of the future. It is the best way to run a pitching staff. The closest a team has gotten to doing this was the Rockies last year, but they didn’t actually piggy back correctly and instead used a totally nonsensical approach that utterly backfired. They also had terrible pitchers.

    In short, piggy backing works best when you have more starting pitchers than starting rotation slots. You send out your great starting pitcher who pitches 5 innings, then relieve him with your other great starting pitcher who throws 4 innings. Repeat the next day. That way you have 8 starting pitchers set up in a 4 man rotation. You flip flop the starter and reliever every other times through the rotation. So starter A starts game 1, B relieves him. On game 5, Starter B starts and A relieves him.

    Anyhow, in the Mets case, you just need one piggy back. You promote Jacob deGrom and you piggy back him with Mejia. His stuff is so different from Mejia that they will play off each other and both will benefit. deGrom has piggy backed in his past, so he knows what it takes. deGrom has been pitching well himself, but has also been a 5 inning starter. It is really a match made in heaven right now.

  • Yeah but where is the guy who said Ike was most likely the happiest guy because he is out of here? The Pirates are playing worse than the Mets and Ike is awful.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    No MLB teams do it. Got it. Okay. Thanks.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Does it really matter? Mejia will suck in the BP and I will tell you why: Terrible Terry Collins. Have you noticed how he messed up every arm that goes out there?

    When was the last time we saw German pitch? Wasnt Familia buried for a week? How many days in a row is Dice K going to warm up? Everyone saw he didnt have it after he walked the firs two hitters last night even without the knowledge that he had no control in the BP? Well everyone but Collins. He will kill Torres and Rice this year from overuse. And the old guys everyone complains about are consistent until Terry overuses them.

    Look back. KRod gets traded and sucks for a couple years. R Ramirez can to the Mets with 4 or 5 sub 3.00 years and sucks. How does that happen? Not only does he suck but his career is finished. Rauch was never an all star relief man but his career is basically done after Terry. Atchinson was a solid reliever in his career…not so much in NYC…now is doing well in Cleveland.

    At this point, I believe if Collins managed Mariano in 1996 or 1997, he would not be a HOF but, rather, out of baseball by 1999.

  • Taskmaster4450

    No reason why Mejia doesnt deserve the chance to prove himself. Gee had similar issues and now look at him. Mejia is young and talented. Perhaps he is mentally a bit weak which means he needs to grow up and be able to shrug off what happens behind him and focus upon the hitter in the batter’s box.

  • Derpy

    In about 10 years, every team will be doing it.

  • DejaVu

    Exactly. I don’t get it. All the pontifications about Mejia “needing” to be in the rotation have flown out the window. Can someone explain to me, why after a rough outing in Colorado, we’re crucifying this 24 year old and banishing him to the bullpen already?

  • Peter S

    So the Mets should give up on him as a starter because of basically 2 bad innings? Where was the “I told you so” two weeks ago? Yet Wheeler should be a starter. He’s been rocked just as much if not more than Meija this year.

  • Destry

    There is a common misconception amongst fans that all pitchers go 9 innings in every start and runs through a lineup unscored upon 3 or 4 times. Its just not the case. There is nothing wrong with a 5th starter that dominates for 5 innings and sometimes goes 6 or more. That’s why you have a long reliever on the team. So he can get through the 6th & 7th innings every 5th day when your lights out 5 innings pitcher is on the hill. Gone are the days that pitchers throw 300 innings per season. There are only a few pitchers that throw 200 innings per year now. If they make all 33 or 34 starts 200 innings is 6 innings per start. You are considered a top of the rotation workhorse if you throw 200 innings these days.

  • Waz0787

    Send his a$$ down. Make him a reliever. Mejia closers also make money. If u cant pitch into the 5th you’re not seeing any $$$$

  • Destry

    Id rather put Wheeler in the pen than Mejia. At least Mejia can get lefties out.

  • Waz0787

    Dude loses everything after 4th.

  • Waz0787

    Hitters are hitting over .400 after 4th innings pull up the stats

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well, in ten years, come find me and rub it in.

  • Destry

    He pitches Dice K 4 or 5 days in a row, along with Torres and Rice, and when he finally puts Familia or German in they haven’t pitched in a week, and they are supposed to get out of a bases loaded no out jam in the bottom of the 9th. He should not be allowed to have any input what so ever on any bullpen decision ever. He makes the worst look good.

  • Sylow59

    It is hard enough finding 4 or 5 quality pitchers to start. Now you want 10. Destined to fail

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I said I wanted him in AAA to get stretched out and got slaughtered for it.

    Now it seems it’s popular again. This is the same thing that happened to me with pork pie hats in high school!

  • Metsaholic

    Troll

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Because, um….Madoff?

  • Metsaholic

    Ignorant troll.

  • jason bay

    I think that or a trade is in Jenry’s future because with Harvey, Wheeler, Montero, Syn, Niese and Gee, that is where he fits best but it could wind up being someone else traded

  • Nolrog

    In the majors, Eck amassed almost 400 starts and 144 wins before they moved him to closer, and had three 13 win seasons, one 14 win season, one 17 win season and one 20 win season. That hardly strikes me as a diamond that could only go an inning or two.

  • Destry

    It won’t be long before the entire way we think of rotations and how pitchers are used is going to change radically. You will see 8 long relievers 2 RH specialist and 3 LH specialist. Starters will be a thing of the past. Each team will have one starter, and the other 11 or 12 guys will piggyback and be used situationally according to matchups.

  • Nicholas C

    Neither should 2 bad starts.

  • Derpy

    First, if you read what I said, you would know I said eight.

    Second, pitching in baseball is making a resurgence, there are more quality pitchers than ever before.

    Third, in order to piggy back, the quality of pitcher can go down because they have limited trips through the batting order.

    Fourth, piggy backing limits pitching injuries.

    Fifth, nothing to say you don’t have pitchers who can go through a whole lineup as many times as they want. Guys like Matt Harvey will never need a piggy back.

  • Destry

    In Colorado Colon & Wheeler did too. Should we put them in the pen?

  • metstastic

    One of them was in Coors. Let’s face it, our starters where pounded this weekend!

  • CyYout

    Terry has no feel for the game. It was so perfectly clear what was happening after the first walked batter, let alone the second. I don’t know if I’d go as far as putting the blame on him for all our bullpen failures, but he certainly doesn’t know what it means to put people in a place to succeed. You have to protect that beautiful effort Niese gave you at all costs.

  • T Boogy

    Hahaha are you seriously blaming K-Rod’s struggles on TC? He started declining even before he came to the Mets. And Rauch and Atchinson? Really?? Nobody wanted those guys before we signed them for a reason. And pitchers get hurt. That’s what they do. You can get on SA for not getting better players but give the hyperbole a rest and be fair to a manager trying to win games with the scrap – heap relievers he’s been dealt with.

  • Waz0787

    You’re a freaking idiot. Numbers dont lie. We have pitching depths in the minor. Our “core” of the pen consists of 3 veteran rejects who has no place in baseball. I am at work ho drink on sandys koolaid. We already blew 50% of our saves this year and we’re using closer #3.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    #BackInBlack

  • RyanF55

    Haha, I’m not under a rock! I still want him to start.

  • Taskmaster4450

    And a trip or two to alcohol rehab.

  • DejaVu

    LOL…all Madoff’s fault. in 2010 fans whined that Manuel was “ruining this kid” by putting him in the bullpen when he “was a starter”. Then during Mejia’s injury riddled years, fans whined that it was all Manuel’s fault and that he had “ruined Mejia by bouncing him from the rotation to the bullpen and back”. Now fans want Mejia to go back to the bullpen? Makes sense (rolls eyes).

  • Fast Eddie

    Regarding Jenrry Mejia, it’s obvious that he can consistently give the team four or five lights-out innings, or two trips through the opposing lineup. The first order of business should be to program Mejia for that third go-round, be it by changing his pitching pattern or by finding a way to conserve his energy for those final six outs. If the Mets can regularly get six or seven strong innings per start from Jenrry, they would have (drum roll, please,) another Dillon Gee! That would be a good thing.

    Why would anyone want to convert a fantastic four-inning pitcher into a three-out closer? If they’re going to turn Mejia into anything but a starting pitcher, it should be to make him a long man out of the bullpen.

    If we’re going to groom current hurlers for the closer’s role, I would recommend working Familia, Germen and Black into the mix. We need to remember that this is a foundation-building year, so let’s start building! Guys like Dice-K, Farnsworth and Valverde are merely place holders, not the eventual answer to the Mets’ bullpen problems.

    Veloz

  • Waz0787

    I have no problem with that. Gee, niese and colon are locked with noah, montero and degroom waiting in triple A. If we can’t close the game. What’s the point?

  • Peter S

    Well when you take away those two innings where he gave up 13 runs, what do the numbers say then? Look beyond the numbers. In his previous games he had given up 6 hits in 7 innings, and only 1 double. If he keeps it up then it’s up to the manager to trust his bullpen after 5.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Funny how KRod is lights out this year…one of the best closers in baseball. And he had a terrific run last year with the Brewers…almost two years getting away from Collins.

    As for scrap heap relievers, was Ramirez that? How about the other guys with successful records.

    You can say the talent wasnt the best in the world and I would agree but Collins is abysmal with managing a BP. To deny that fact is missing a big piece of the puzzle.

  • Peter S

    I’m all for fixing the bullpen. But not at the expense of a promising young pitcher who has had 2 bad innings tho year. TC should be held responsible for letting him melt down with no backup against Colorado.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Yes everyone could see that. And then Dice K says after the game that he had no control in the BP (something we didnt know but presume Collins did).

  • mad met

    Yes unless we really need a hit and instead we watch this dumb a$$ take another called strike looking

  • Taskmaster4450

    Until he starts walking the stadium.

  • Peter S

    Wheeler is just so damn disappointing because of te way they built him up. On any other team, he would be fine. But bc of the way he was billed, he has to be Harvey-esque.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Wheeler in 2013

    1st time through lineup – batters hit .191
    2nd time through lineup – batters hit .233
    3rd time through lineup – batters hit .323
    4th time through lineup – batters hit .333

    Gee in 2013

    1st time through lineup – batters hit ..231
    2nd time through lineup – batters hit .255
    3rd time through lineup – batters hit .318
    4th time through lineup – batters hit .409

    Mejia in 2013

    1st time through lineup – batters hit ..262
    2nd time through lineup – batters hit .263
    3rd time through lineup – batters hit .292

    lets talk about it…

  • metstastic

    As I preached a million times, it is not just about pure stuff. You can have the nastiest stuff in the world. If you throw the same thing to ML hitters, no matter how nasty, they will learn how to hit the tar out of it. Now, does Mejia have enough pitches to give hitters a different look the second and third time throw the lineup? If not, he is destined to be a reliever. It is the job of the pitching coach and catcher to come up with a game plan the second and third time through the order. I wonder if they have one.There is still time to learn.

  • muskytoes

    I call it Mejia diarrhea, because once it starts, the runs come. Hard and fast like Niagara Falls.

    As always, laughter is the best medicine for Mets fans, and speaking of Mariano, he was on last night promoting his new book on the Daily Show with agonized Mets fan, Jon Stewart:

    http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/w57l09/mariano-rivera

  • Saratoga_Jon

    I agree. but “what do you do with Jennry Mejia” is a legitimate question.

    Being dubbed “little pedro” did him no favors. He may just not have the frame or ability to pitch deep in the game. If he continues to falter the third time through the lineup, what should the team do with Jennry Mejia’s promise?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    True, but he puts them on and they don’t score. 0.79 ERA is good enough for me.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Hitters are hitting .458 against Wheeler in the 5th inning…

    Hitters are hitting .395 against Wheeler in their 3rd AB
    why the double-standard?

  • Peter S

    The only thing I can say is that TC needs to have a Bullpen with legit pitchers or it doesn’t matter who the starter is, they have no backup.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Oh man! Gee and Wheeler would be SICK in the bullpen! Let’s do it!

  • Waz0787

    Its simple bro. If your expectations of this team is to win 90 games. You do what’s necessary. Our pen sucks but if you’re expecting mets to win 68 games like me. Mets aren’t doing crap. Enjoy watching pen meltdown on daily basis. Lack of talents are the reason. Ownership doesn’t care about winning.

  • Peter S

    So a guy who implodes because of a lead off homerun is the guy you want fixing this bullpen? I’m sorry, if he can’t be a starter because of meltdowns, then he can’t be a part of my bullpen. And you are forgetting how bad he has been in his career out of the bullpen.

  • Peter S

    You certainly are not putting a guy who can’t handle a lead off Homerun into the bullpen. I can tell you that much.

  • Saratoga_Jon

    Well, if a guy can’t handle a lead off home run and he can’t handle pitching into the 5th and beyond, what do you do with him?

    This isn’t A-ball…you can’t really piggyback

  • SteveFromNorfolk

    Mets farm system is using a six-starter rotation throughout the system due to the abundance of starting pitching.

  • Waz0787

    If it was up to me I would convert both to relief pitchers. No double standards in my part. Our pen flat out sucks. Its a shame a starter pitches 7 quality innings and the team doesn’t win games.

  • Waz0787

    My friend if can’t start nor pitch from the pen. He has no place in majors.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    hitters are hitting .458 against wheeler in the 5th inning….but these bloggers are strangely silent….

    why?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Wheeler in 2013

    1st time through lineup – batters hit .191
    2nd time through lineup – batters hit .233
    3rd time through lineup – batters hit .323
    4th time through lineup – batters hit .333

    Gee in 2013

    1st time through lineup – batters hit ..231
    2nd time through lineup – batters hit .255
    3rd time through lineup – batters hit .318
    4th time through lineup – batters hit .409

    Mejia in 2013

    1st time through lineup – batters hit ..262
    2nd time through lineup – batters hit .263
    3rd time through lineup – batters hit .292

    lets talk about it…

  • Waz0787

    Thank you. Some mets fan are so delusional

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I don’t know. You’d think they’d be quick on the draw to bash an Alderson guy.

    http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/quick-and-the-dead.gif

  • SteveFromNorfolk

    We have to make some room for the pitchers coming up, or waste their best years in AAA. We need to make some trades, either at the minor league or major league level

  • No need to etch in stone everyone’s future destiny. IF…Mejia keeps faltering after 4 or 5 good innings, he will lose his spot in the rotation and go to the ‘pen. I am not willing to say he’s a reliever already. He’s young and needs innings to keep developing and working out the kinks.

  • DrDooby

    True. If winning is indeed a goal, some of the upcoming rotation logjam will have to be solved by switching viable SP candidates to the bullpen.

    And it should be done with things in mind such as likely success in the bullpen, ability to handle workload as a SP, etc.

    As of today, the Mets have at least 9 valid candidates for their 2015 Opening Day rotation – not even counting minor league depth options such as Logan Verrett or Jeremy Hefner:

    Matt Harvey
    Dillon Gee
    Jon Niese
    Bartolo Colon
    Zack Wheeler
    Noah Syndergaard
    Jenrry Mejia

    Rafael Montero
    Jacob DeGrom
    Odds are, at least one of these nine suffers a major injury between now & then and misses all of 2015 with some sort of surgery. Maybe you want to keep one in reserve at AAA or long relief just in case. That still leaves 7 for 5 spots. Maybe one gets traded for a bat – maybe a SS, so that´s 6. Still, at least one should & could easily be transitioned into a fulltime relief role. Based on stuff & profile, DeGrom or Mejia probably is the most natural fit.

  • DrDooby

    Ramirez struggled right from the get-go, so tough blaming that on TC. Overworked veteran relievers do tend to struggle. That happened with RR.

  • Our team has certainly shown that they make extremely questionable decisions but I think it would be premature to make a judgement about Mejia after only 2 bad starts. A reasonable counterargument might be the fact that we really don’t have a legitimate closer but there’s no assuring that he’d immediately fit the role and, while I really don’t care what he prefers, his mental makeup and lack of desire to take the role could be a rough mix. If this trend continues and starting is not in the cards for him, maybe then we have a discussion.

  • DrDooby

    And what do you do after your designated piggy back starter of the day takes over in the 5th, has thrown merely 1 IP and then it´s 1st and 2nd with 2 outs in the 6th of a tie game and the pitcher spot coming up to bat. Take out the piggy back SP prematurely and burn the 2 or maybe 3 non-piggy back relievers in your bullpen ? Forget about scoring ? This might work in the AL with the DH rule in place or in the minors where winning the game is secondary to development. It won´t work in the NL under the current roster sizes and rules.

  • DrDooby

    Maybe because Wheeler has been more durable in his career so far ? Wheeler´s problem is the lack of a true out pitch vs. LH hitters for now. They can foul off the fastball, lay off the breaking pitch and the changeup isn´t good enough yet.

    Mejia has missed a lot of time and has the slender built that typically makes you think “future reliever”.

  • Biggle Boy

    Whether or not Jenrry becomes a reliever this year, it won’t make much of a difference to this pen. As last night showed, the phrase we’ll be hearing in 2014 will often be, “Tough loss.”

  • Derpy

    It always depends on the game situation, obviously. Default position is to keep the pitcher in. But if you feel you are that desperate for runs, you take them out.

  • Taskmaster4450

    With Collins as manager and running the BP, it wont matter.

  • Taskmaster4450

    TC would screw them up also.

    He is the worst at BP management.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    i understand.

    but that’s not the case with these bloggers, journalists…and then the folks who comment.

    wheeler sucks donkey nuts in the 5th inning = silence
    mejia sucks donkey nuts in the 5th inning = he needs to be converted.

    why?

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    What are the league averages? Why is Mejia’s 4th time through not in the data set?

  • Taskmaster4450

    In AAA they dont score…in the majors there is a much better chance.

    Those guys arent scared off by a 97 mph fastball.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    would be nice if we had a veteran catcher to handle this young staff…

  • Peter S

    I agree but you certainly don’t let him pitch out of the bullpen. Is rather 5 strong innings then take him out.

  • Metsaholic

    Nobody loves you.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah, you’re right. Let’s leave things as they are. It’s bound to improve, right?

  • Peter S

    I’ll take 5 def strong innings then piece the rest of the game together. At least he has a chance to try and figure out the 6th and beyond.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    not sure what the league averages are, but im sure it follows that trend.

    Mejia never faced a batter 4 times last season, they were being pretty conservative with him as far as I remember.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    imagine…

    what a difference hawkins and a vet catcher would make with this squad.

    neither wheeler, mejia, travis nor recker are really experienced and those folks are the guys who make up our battery 2/5 of the time.

    rookie catcher with rookie pitcher.

    that makes sense

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    You may have said this already, but it is interesting that his late-game struggles = bullpen, while other pitchers going through the same issue = needs more starts.

    We also may not be so riled up if TC actually pulled him in a reasonable amount of time. I think we equate 8 runs with awful. I tend to equate 8 later-game runs with a manager who can’t assess a situation to save his life.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Sandy could make over this bullpen in a single night. Cut Valverde and Farnsworth, call up any of Black, Thronton, Socolovich and Carrreno and away we go.

  • RyanF55

    I saw black has an ERA of .079 in Vegas over 11.1 IP? Why isn’t he here?

  • seldomused

    We should bring back Rick Peterson. All the Jacket has to do is put one hand on Mejia’s shoulder, and he’ll be the next Mariano Rivera.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Because he walks guys? But so what? So does the rest of our bullpen. At least Black doesn’t let them score.

  • SouthlandMetsFan

    Off topic a bit, and I’m sure this has been discussed before, but why are the Brooklyn Cyclones a Single A team? Wouldn’t it make more sense to have them be the Triple A affiliate, seeing as how they are right there? Is that allowed?

    I know teams have obligations to the cities hosting the farm teams, but once those are up, why not reshuffle the deck? Having the AAA team in Las Vegas is ridiculous.

    I honestly have no idea, so any input on this would be appreciated!

  • AJ NISBETT

    Mejia needs to be put in the bullpen case closed I don’t care if he gives 4 great inning only a loseing team would except that we want to win if r bullpen sucks nd we have a pitcher that can only give u lights out pitching threw 4 innings then u make him a relief pitcher

  • AJ NISBETT

    Actually that’s a great idea

  • WillisReid

    Farnsworth did a pretty good job last night. He’s not a closer and never has been, that’s his biggest problem.

  • Gland1

    The team doesn’t have the ability to do that. The minors have their own leagues. The major leagues are just affiliated with the minors.

  • Saratoga_Jon

    So every fifth day, the plan is to tax the hell out of the bullpen?

    I like Mejia’s stuff, however, it he wasn’t home grown, I think the love would be fleeting.

    I don’t want to pretend that a move from the rotation to the bullpen is mindless, but stuff is stuff and his stuff MAY be best suited for 1-2 innings out of the pen.

    Perhaps his greatest value is being traded to someone else so they can figure that out.

  • Waz0787

    Our manager only trusts veteran arms.

  • Sylow59

    First, if you read what I said, you would know I said eight.

    4 < 8; my argument still holds.

    —————-

    Second, pitching in baseball is making a resurgence, there are more quality pitchers than ever before.

    Run scoring is down for a variety of reasons, but it is down regardless. The debate that there are more quality
    pitching than ever before is not clear cut. NL Team ERA in 1968 was 2.99 and it was 3.59 in 1969. Were there more quality pitchers in 1968? No, the game changed. So be careful with “more quality pitchers”. More correctly it is “more pitchers are having better raw statistical seasons”. That I’ll agree with. Regardless, it appears runs are down. Meaning your #6, 7, 8 pitchers, although having better raw statistical seasons than pitchers a few
    years ago, are still worse than your #1,2,3 and will give up more runs, which are harder to gather on your end too.

    —————-

    Third, in order to piggy back, the quality of pitcher can go down because they have limited trips through the batting order.

    Which explains why every single relief pitcher has an ERA of 0.00.

    ———-

    Fourth, piggy backing limits pitching injuries.

    Physiology limits injuries a lot more than innings.

    ————–

    Fifth, nothing to say you don't have pitchers who can go through a whole lineup as many times as they want. Guys like Matt Harvey will never need a piggy back

    Which, of course, you’d never find out.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    “Tough noogies, Terry”

    – Sandy Alderson

  • jason bay

    Mejia has also only pitched about 300 innings, all told between the Majors and the minors over the last 4 years so it is not a shock that he is building toward being able to go longer but I do eventually see his future as a 3 inning guy to piggy back 2 of our 5 starters.

    That gets him his 6 innings every 5 days.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Let him go do a “pretty good job” somewhere else.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    just wait for lagares to go into a slump…

    same thing will happen…

  • Hello SSS but…
    .375 .565 .625 1.190 W/RISP
    1.133 with men on
    .500, .667, .500 1.167 2oRISP

    I don’t think he had been an issue there.

  • DejaVu

    LOL….And when Harvey comes back next year, He’ll be the closer we need!!!!!!

  • jason bay

    Well said agree completely.

    That game from a pitchers standpoint is on those two totally and needing to bring someone else in on that day constitutes a failure.

    Bullpen gets reset, unless the 2nd guy gets blown out.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Not joking – I already saw someone post that.

  • DejaVu

    Right. So, if you quadruple his ERA, well you still have a good reliever. Better than what we have had recently.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Exactly. He’s an employee RT @tpgMets: @robertbrender @RisingAppleBlog

    @pete807 He also, um, doesn’t get that choice.Another option is moving Mejia to the pen, which he clearly doesn’t want to do and weakens the rotation. That’s all I can think of.

    Robert Brender – SNY tv analyst

    Here is a SNY employee also fanning the flames on Mejia going to the pen and Mejia “Clearly” not wanting to go …

    Again…

    Wheeler in 2013

    1st time through lineup – batters hit .191
    2nd time through lineup – batters hit .233
    3rd time through lineup – batters hit .323
    4th time through lineup – batters hit .333

    Gee in 2013

    1st time through lineup – batters hit ..231
    2nd time through lineup – batters hit .255
    3rd time through lineup – batters hit .318
    4th time through lineup – batters hit .409

    Mejia in 2013

    1st time through lineup – batters hit ..262
    2nd time through lineup – batters hit .263
    3rd time through lineup – batters hit .292

    This year

    Hitters are hitting .458 against Wheeler in the 5th inning…

    Hitters are hitting .395 against Wheeler in their 3rd AB
    why the double-standard?

    But SNY…the same folks that are essentially a mouthpiece for the org, continue the rumor that Mejia would be opposed to going to the pen ( even after he said on March 6th, he is open to doing whatever it takes to help the team )

    all this based on a adam rubin article in which he insinuates that Mejia would rather start in AAA than be a reliever in the bigs…

    this is how a simple rumor turns into fact on the internet…

    good job adam rubin !

  • jason bay

    It makes perfect sense to me to have 2 guys designated for 9 innings and hopefully get your bull pen specialists the day off they need.

    Whether it works or not is up to the players. Dice K could certainly be half of a PB himself but you may go through your specialists (closer, LOOGY, ect) if the 2nd guy needs help.

    It also allows the opposing manager some certainty in late inning match ups and even the GM in bringing up/sending down people so he can stack the lineup and the bench. Say an extra couple if LH hitters for the series.

    All in all though definitely worth a try to see how big the results are Vs the wrinkles.

  • TPT

    ITS DEPRESSING to see such great pitching wasted like last night ughhhh to me Mejia has to be groomed as the closer …

  • RyanF55

    Somewhat off topic, but why the F did Terry take Lagares out of the leadoff spot?…he was 8 for 20 since hitting there coming off the DL with I believe 6 doubles…so naturally, he was removed.

  • TPT

    because yeaterday TC said Lagares will play everyday no if and or buts so of course hes out of the starting line up lol …thats TC for you i guess he needed to “rest”

  • TPT

    heres another question? just why is Valverde on the pitching staff anyway if he comes out of the pen every 3 or 4 days??? if they dont have a lot of confidence in him (and who does?) then release him and call up Black already or anyone that shows some talent and promise..

  • Hodges14

    But Niese didn’t make it to the closer. That’s the problem. If he pitches the 8th then maybe Dice-K doesn’t get the chance to implode.

  • Kevin H

    Prior to Mejia’s last 2 starts, going back to last season, he had 9 starts over which he went 4-2 with 5 quality starts. He averaged 6 K’s and 2 BB’s and had a 2.16 ERA.
    The guy has TWO bad starts in a row, both of which could have been mitigated if TC had a brain and pulled him sooner, and one of which was in Denver where the air is thin and the line-up is stacked. And now some fans are saying he should be relegated to the bullpen??? He is 24 years old and has already demonstrated some pretty good success as a starter. He had two melt downs. It happens. Again, he is only 24 years old. The sky is the limit for this kid. He may end up being a bust but it’s way too early to tell. Everyone needs to relax.

  • Isn’t he coming back from a hamstring injury?
    Terry did a lotta dumb yesterday but that wasn’t one of them.

  • TPT

    yea your right but my God we just started the season and already its one heart breaker after another this sucks

  • TPT

    seems to me he played 5 straight games and played lights out with no limitations if you gonna blow out your hammy, playing that hard that many games then not playing 6 innings ( he came in as a sub last night) isnt gonna make your hamstring stronger….theres no logic to that

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Is it okay if the guy coming off an injury sits down for a minute?

  • RyanF55

    AGREED. Man, we flip out about everything around here. It’s not what have you done for me lately, it’s what have you done for me in the past 4 seconds. He had two bad starts, one coming in Coors Field in his first start there. We need to jump ship already?

  • RyanF55

    The only reason Mejia to the bullpen has so much traction is because A) Adam Rubin wrote an article that throttled the rumor that Mejia would refuse to do anything but start, and B) the bullpen has been so horrible. If the bullpen was effective, we wouldn’t even be discussing this. But Mejia has a bad outing, the bullpen sucks, so naturally, he should be moved there immediately. Have a little patience with this kid….we committed to him starting, let him sort it out and make adjustments.

  • TPT

    that point your missing is we are in dire need of a closer ..the kid has the stuff to be great in the pen ..he stuff is electric and Mejia laying all out for one inning would put fear in the eyes of guys trying to hit him thats what were saying ..use him were he can do us the most good

  • Tomthetinker

    ^^^^^^This^^^^^^

  • Tomthetinker

    You said so if must be true….

  • TPT

    hello MEJIA has insane stuff…and the making of one great reliever on a team thats desperate for a fire baller young closer…this isnt ‘punishment” for 2 bad starts this is a realization to use the kid where he can excel and fix a team problem maybe for years to come its not about patience its about STOPPING THE HEARTACHE LOSSES..

  • Just_Da_damaja

    yup…

    in actually, guys like mejia, montero, lagares are guilty before proven innocent…
    they basically have to produce like HOF to earn patience…and the first sign of a slump has them on the oliver perez night train out of town.

    perfect example. Angel Pagan…

    he went from budding superstar CF to moody, malcontent, selfish, and bad player in less than 300 AB.

    Angel now has a nice ring to his collection and is among the MLB best CF…

    something tells me that an OF of Lagares, Pagan and Gomez would have reporters thirsty for a story that will set off the tea party element of the fan base

    u would hear stories of Lagares taking Pagan’s wife out for dinner…

    then if a ball drops between the 2 OF, it shows a sign of immaturity, of unprofessionalism….they are allowing off-the field stuff to affect one the field, one has to go…

    thats how the TMZ style stuff works here…

    But somehow Adam Rubin escapes everyone’s wrath and Andy Martino is public enemy #1..

    hmmmm

  • Terry

    Wow two bad (games) innings in a row and you are quoting yourself. Don’t hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back. Oh, and just ignore Meija’s previous 10 starts because they don’t support your “prediction.” Welcome to the Mets Spin Zone! He’s a kid. Roll him out there every five for three months and see how he does and then make a decision.

  • Derpy

    There are absolutely more quality pitchers, more of the high end athletes are being pushed into pitching. The average velocity of young pitchers is rising above where it has ever been, pitchers are entering the minors with more polish than ever before. Where many top level athletes were pushed into centerfield, shortstop, second base, third base, they are now being funneled into pitching. Just by numbers, there are far more pitchers now. More overall, and more as a percentage of the prospects.

    And yes, relief pitchers give up fewer runs. Moving from a starter to a relief pitcher drops your ERA by 0.3. That is a very significant change. Becoming a piggy back pitcher would also reduce your ERA, although maybe not by as much. Most pitchers give up more hits and runs later in the game. Taking pitchers out earlier reduces the amount of time they are in later in games. The fewer batters see you pitch, the less they hit you.

    And nothing about piggy backing says it has to be some hard fast rule. If a pitcher is totally dominant, you don’t take him out just because he has reached your arbitrary limit, you leave him in and see what happens. The only difference is, you have your piggy back up and ready to go. If you don’t need him, he doesn’t pitch and you use him as a general reliever.

  • billpulsipher

    why use Mejia as a closer when you can use washed up has beens like Dice K and Farnsworth…this is all moot anyway, because in a couple weeks after Dice K and Kyle the great blow a few more games, the team will fold and nosedive into oblivion

  • Joey D.

    HI Joe,

    If sabermetrics tends to quantify relievers as failed starters, it also tends to quantity that any reliever can be a closer and that there is no such thing as “mental toughness”. Which is interesting for as you point out “Alderson found one in Dennis Eckersley” and though Dennis has agreed that it’s easier to be a closer than to come into pitch earlier in the game with the contest hanging in the balance, he has also said one has to have the proper “mindset” to handle the ninth inning as well.

  • TPT

    get your head out of the sand already this has nothing to do with BAD outings it has to do with his GOOD outings and again HE HAS THE STUFF TO BE ONE GREAT CLOSER we have 4 other Mejias in the minors just weeks away from pitching as starters in the majors but we dont have arms like MEJIAS that can close out games by blowing it by them like real closers do i.e. Kimbrell ..you just dont have a clue what your reading i guess so ok then

  • TPT

    wow finally someone gets it right ….yes that exactly the point

  • TPT

    haha ok but guess what? you dont send pitchers to ‘reliever mind set school” you pitch them …and they either do or dont or get mentally tough with each outting …the games played on the field not on paper

  • Suilebhain

    or the next Victor Zambrano..

  • Terry

    The only thing I agree with you on is the “OK then.”

  • Nicholas C

    Harvey has missed a lot of time now. Does that mean that he is “future reliever” material?

  • TPT

    and why am i not surprised? haha have a nice day and LGM

  • WillisReid

    because the Mets have an abundance of guys ready to step in and fill that role?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Guys that can do a “pretty good job”? Well, depending on your definition of what that means, yeah, they do.

    All those guys I named could do a “pretty good job.” They have good numbers in a hitter-friendly league. That’s good enough for me.

  • DejaVu

    STOP!!!!! Really? I am not surprised…LOL

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I mean, they were talking about later this year, but close enough. haha

  • WillisReid

    Because he said he’d rather start in AAA than relieve in the big leagues? Or did I just waste my time answering a trick question?

    The Cards are using a young “nasty” converted SP to close games, and he’s as bad a high wire act as Farnsworth.

  • Joey D.

    Hi TPT,

    And the other night he didn’t bring Dice-K in because he wasn’t ready but why he didn’t have another warming up along side, seeing how quickly Mejia was starting to unwind (after a combination of bad luck but also seeing a pattern of Jenry falling a part quickly even without blister problems) and knowing Dice-K is indeed slow to get himself ready.

    In last night’s post-game interview, Dice-K said he didn’t feel right with his control during his warm-up in the bullpen nor when he got on the mound and we saw that.

    Now isn’t it the job of the bullpen coach to observe those getting ready in the pen to judge how they are throwing so to let the manager know not if they are just ready but how they appear to be throwing and which pitcher should therefore be brought in? What if they see something not working with their warm up pitches that indicates they shouldn’t be brought in – like with Dyce-K last night? Do they still go with the “statistical” percentages. Do they still go with the mindset that it one’s “role” to be brought in at that time?

    Or do they instead look to see who is better equipped to come in at that moment and try to project how they simply have to alter their pitching strategy further into the game because of what now might be considered an “unorthodox” move. What’s the difficulty? I mean, wasn’t that how it used to be done – game strategy based on what was actually going on?

    Interesting tidbit regarding the 1951 Giants-Dodgers ninth inning. With Carl Erskine warming up along side Ralph Branca, why was Branca brought in to pitch against Bobby Thompson when everyone knew Thompson had owned him of late? It was because pitching coach Clyde Sukeforth who was in the bullpen said, “I didn’t see the real good curveball Erskine was noted for.” Erskine has said of the time “I was bouncing it in the dirt.” Sukeforth thus told Charlie Dressen that Branca was “loose and firing the ball” and was ready. Even though we all know what happened, what would anyone else have done as manager at the time? One idea would have been to simply walk Thompson to load the bases and pitch to the rookie Mays hoping for a DP or force at the plate, even though that put the wining run on base.

    So today it appears it is less a question of judging what is appropriate based on the situation at hand rather than going on the statistical probabilities and the roll assigned to the particular pitcher. Dyce-K was warming up the other night and wasn’t ready.

    Why was not somebody else quickly getting up as well? Or last night, still bringing in one who was not on top of his pitches but because after the lead-off hitter he was going to face a trio of right handed batters. Was it because it was again his spot in the game to come in?

    So my own opinion is that baseball is not approached in the same manner it was decades ago because it seems to matter less about the game dictating the moves as it is pre-determined strategic moves based on specialization and statistical probabilities independent of the action of the field.

    A wild when warming up Dyce-K was still brought in because TC wanted specifically Dyce-K. This was despite Niese throwing seven innings of shut out ball and showing no signs of getting tired. It was deemed important because he had already thrown 108 pitches and this is the “spot” to bring Dyce-K in.

  • BigAl831

    I really don’t understand why DeGrom isn’t the obvious first choice. He’s been spectacular as a starter but the Mets do not have room right now. If he comes up and is a great reliever, yay! If not, go back to starting.

    Call up DeGrom, Black, and Cerreno and put em in the pen. When Dice, Farns, and Valverde have officially run out of gas you can say goodbye to them.

  • Scottydoeskno328

    No one is listing the stats of Mejia the third time through a lineup, without the two blow ups. If those stats say he gets blown up then maybe I’d agree with putting Mejia in the pen but before I see that proof I don’t buy it. The kid has great potential as a starter, why mess that up from two bad starts, just plain stupid.

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Your dead wrong bro, we don’t have four other Mejias in the minors. Who knows if they’ll be able to translate to the majors. All we do know is that Mejia can pitch, he had two bad innings. Every great starter has their bad outings, everyone needs to chill with this reliever crap.

  • billpulsipher

    i dont give a damn what he said, hes a player, he does what hes told..you’re referring to an article in february btw when they asked him about being the 5th starter

  • billpulsipher

    royce ring got signed as a pitching instructor…shocked sandy the genius hasnt offered him a contract to pitch out of the bullpen

  • Mikey

    If you can get batters out the first two times around then you can do it a third and fourth time!
    This isn’t about Mejia’s ability at all it is more proof of the failure of our Pitching coach to TEACH these guys HOW to pitch as opposed to just taking credit when they do well and then blaming them when they do not.

    Who was it that has always wanted Mejia in the Pen?
    Who was the Pitching coach when Omar caved into the demands and made him a reliever?
    Who has had plenty of time to work with this guy to focus on what to do the third time around but hasn’t?

    The Answer is the guy who should have been fired before 2010!
    Warthen!

  • Just_Da_damaja

    can ANYONE answer my question?

    Hitters are hitting .458 against Wheeler in the 5th inning…

    Hitters are hitting .395 against Wheeler in their 3rd AB

    noone ever mentions wheeler as a closer…

    why?

  • Sylow59

    Most likely the prior talk about Mejia as a reliever whereas there was no such prior discussion for Wheeler. That and the fact everyone seems to panic 24/7.

  • RyanF55

    I’m not sure if you saw him running the bases like I did in Denver, but he’s fine. He was charging on doubles head first into second base…he’s not laboring a thing. I’d rather start a one legged Lagares over EYJ any day.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah? How many times did Reyes say he was “fine” only to land back on the DL? I should think we’d want to be a little bit careful with the best player in our lineup.

    I’d prefer not to have to choose between a one-legged Lagares and EY by making sure Lagares has two good legs. But that’s just me I guess.

    The whole “he’s fine,” tough it out, stop babying them mentality is so easy when you’re watching from the couch. It’s 162 games. I want Lagares in the lineup in September as much as I want him out there now.

  • BigAl831

    You cannot deny Mejias durability issues.

    Wheeler showed us more last season as a starter than Mejia ever has.

    That combined with Mejia’s cutter coming in for 3 outs is very enticing.

  • CJM

    “Wheeler showed us more last season as a starter than Mejia ever has.”

    I disagree. Wheeler might be more durable. Might be; we really don’t know that. But Mejia has shown that his ceiling as a starter is much higher than Wheeler’s.

  • RyanF55

    That’s a good point. Take the guy hitting .400 in the leadoff spot since returning from the DL on a team hitting .042 and plant him on the bench. Awesome.

  • WillisReid

    So you don’t remember a young Parnell causing the same heartburn at the end of games before last season? Young guys aren’t just going to come in and hit the ground running.

    That hitter friendly league doesn’t have Freeman, Stanton, Werth, Zimmerman, Utley and the likes either.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    It’s no dumber than pushing your best playing coming off an injury known to reoccur. He’ll be out there tonight so you can put the tissues away.

  • WillisReid

    He’s white, obviously.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    No one wants to watch Valverde or Farnsworth spit the bit night after night. I and basically 99 percent of Mets fans would rather roll with young arms with higher upside than to has-beens.

    You, sir, are deeply entrenched in the minority.

  • RyanF55

    I’m curious if you are employed. You literally sit on here all day antagonizing productive people in society who actually have jobs and I’m astonished at your availability. Grab some fresh air, there’s a big world out there!

  • WillisReid

    Niese had a propensity for letting innings get away from him early in his career. He seems to have rectified that all while Warthen was the pitching coach.

    Warthen hasn’t really stunted Gee’s development either.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    in terms of durability…

    well Mejia is coming back from surgery.

    that ALONE would make him not a good candidate for the pen.

    u would have him go from resting his arm every 4 days to every other day… in the middle of the year…

    and last year, mejia in 5 starts had a 2.30 ERA, had 27 K in 27 IP with only 4 BB.

    then he had the elbow issue and they wisely shut him down.

    I think its a fair question. The same thought process used to declare Mejia a reliever ( third time around, avg in the middle innings ) goes to bed when its wheeler and gee.

    one thing is for sure, Mejia and Wheeler would really benefit from having a vet catcher.

    having essentially 2 rookie catchers learning on the job with a young staff is rarely a good thing.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    where can u quote him as having said that…and when did he say it?

  • WillisReid

    Stop being ridiculous.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    asking for a quote = ridiculous ?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    LOL

    awwww chalking it up to white priviledge already ?

    how cute

  • Just_Da_damaja

    i understand that…

    but i wonder why has there never been talk about wheeler being a closer …

    i look him as another Joba.

    great as a starter in spurts, but then burns out a pen too many times.

    I think his ceiling is AJ Burnett as a starter, but if he were to be a closer, he could be pretty consistent.

    its his consistency that worries me more.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    anybody ?

  • WillisReid

    I’m neither a reporter nor a journalist. So yeah, it’s a ridiculous request.

  • WillisReid

    I don’t believe it to be the reason, but since you’ve asked the question 5 times here already, I figured I’d just give you answer you clearly want.

  • Mikey

    Just being there doesn’t mean Warthen was the reason it got corrected!
    Mike Pelfrey was good and then when Warthen got him not good!
    Why is it Met Fans are so quick to credit Warthen with any good a Pitcher does but when he does badly it’s the Pitcher not the coaches fault?

  • Mikey

    It’s not because of Race…
    It’s because to make Mejia a Pen Arm means Omar failed but to make Wheeler a Pen Arm would be admitting Sandy got taken by the Giants!

  • WillisReid

    I don’t give him a lot of credit, I just don’t think he deserves as much of the blame.

    Rick Anderson has had 2 yrs to work with Pelfrey and he hasn’t had much success either.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    considering that u cant come up with 1 good reason, i suppose maybe ur right ?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    lol

    we have a winner !

  • Just_Da_damaja

    so maybe u shouldnt refer to stuff u cant vouch for.

  • Peter S

    How is it taxing the bullpen if you let him start the 6th and have your pen ready to go at 1st sign of trouble? This is not a new concept. Of course, I would just trade him if I truly felt he couldn’t “figure” it out. But he is not a bullpen guy. Just look at his bullpen record, it’s not good. It’s so bad that he fell off the prospect radar.

  • Peter S

    Two words: JOBA CHAMBERLAIN.

  • WillisReid

    Why? If it was reported by a white dude, that’s good enough for me.

  • DrDooby

    Developing an arm into a frontline closer is a HUGE win. Probably worth more than coming up with another # 4 starter.
    If Mejia, Wheeler, DeGrom, Familia, Montero or Black becomes a top closer, that’s a HUGE success for the organization, regardless of who signed the arm, traded for the arm or guided its development.

  • Mikey

    Whats the bigger win…
    Making a Frontline Closer or a Frontline Starter?

  • Mikey

    Well what the hell is Warthen here for?
    Watch him the next time a guy is walking two batters in a row…You will see him relaxing having a nice beverage in the dugout when he should get out there and straighten the guy out!

  • Just_Da_damaja

    it would be funny if it werent so true

    🙁

  • WillisReid

    What’s funny is that you just assume were all lily white, pure bred American biggots.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    soooo…

    back to mejia…
    I can provide a direct quote as late as March, saying that he puts the team first and he’ll do whatever it takes to win…

    where is ur quote stating that he’d rather be in AAA?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    According to MLB, hitters bat .358 against Bartolo Colon after the 45th pitch…

    lets make him the closer !

  • Just_Da_damaja

    no, just the ones that constantly repeat the same tired stereotypes in sports

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    So let me get this straight

    After 9 STRAIGHT STARTS where Mejia looked like a STUD(ERA barely 2.00) Noone says anything abot the bullpen. He is the man everyone wanted him to get the 5th inning gig over Dice-BB and Lannan and he outpitched BOTH.

    It only take TWO BAD late innings and some want to stick him in the bullpen. How the hell does that make any sense?

    Heres a thought…..He was hurt almost all of 2013 building back up arm strength after that much of a layoff is common see Strasburg and the countless other Pitchers. (Harvey circa 2015)

    Only fools would stick Mejia in the bullpen

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard.

    We need a closer so put him in the pen….Thats similar to the idiotic move Omar Minay and Jerry Manuel did with Mejia in the 1st place.

    We need a bullpen arm and Mejia is a stud so lets throw him in the pen…smh

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    BRAVO @kevinhurd:disqus

    YOU HAVE WON THIS THREAD

    BEST COMMENT BY FAR

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    How dare you use sound logic and FACTS to backup your statement i appalled