Red-Hot Flores Blasts Third Homer In Two Games

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Triple-A shortstop Wilmer Flores blasted a three-run homer on Sunday to give the Las Vegas 51s a 5-1 lead. It was the third home run in two games for the red-hot Flores who has eight hits in his last 16 at-bats.

Flores is now batting .290 (29 for 100) this season, with four home runs, 19 RBIs and 17 runs scored.

He has started 22 of his 24 games at shortstop with one appearance each at first and second base.

Last week, Mike Puma of the New York Post said a source told him that the Mets aren’t optimistic that Flores can become an everyday shortstop.

However, a couple of scouts recently compared Flores to Cardinals shortstop Jhonny Peralta defensively.

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  • Charley’s Twin

    Anyone know how many errors he has at SS? Someone said six yesterday, which dampens enthusiasm if true….

  • QueensRussell

    Would it kill us to bring up for a week and “rest” Tejada?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Six. Half fielding. Half throwing.

  • ray sadecki

    Now is the time to give Flores his chance, Tejada got his chance and now give Flores a month. If he is not the answer, then it is June and Drew can be had without losing a pick.

  • CyYout

    What scouts? What did they say? I have mixed feelings about Flores at shortstop long term, but we don’t need to think in absolutes. If he can hold his own while he is young and before his body fills out and weighs him down, it will get his bat in the lineup. In a year or two, you could re-evaluate then.

  • Nolrog

    Classic Met, can hit but can’t field. We’ve seen this far too often over the years.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Like who?

  • Metropolitan

    Mets have to get out of Vegas it is too hard to get a gauge on what will translate to a more normal environment like Citi field rather than playing in the Pacific coast league,Must get back into the International League as soon as possible

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Where’s Teddy? He needs to get here to explain to everyone how Flores’ errors are because of Allan Dykstra’s bad glove.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Thx

  • CJM

    That’s actually strangely logical.

  • Lotus1209

    See, Wally? That’s what happens when you consistently put Flores’ bat at the number 3 spot regardless of production initially. Now do the same with Puello instead of batting him in the number NINE (!!!) spot last night.

    For some of you wanting Wally as the next manager.. I’m not so sure about that idea anymore. Unless you can prove this is a result of the front office

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Hmmm. Bat Flores and Puello both in the three hole. Interesting. Never saw two players share a spot in the lineup before. Would they like switch off or what?

  • Rob Piersall

    And the Mets aren’t optimistic about him playing SS? I would sacrifice his defense for his ability with the stick anyday. Wilmer > Ruben.

  • willymayshayes

    Murphy, Duda, Satin, Flores off the top of my head.

  • rubagreta

    And who was the center fielder for the opposing Tacoma team? None other than Endy Chavez!

  • willymayshayes

    I think he meant Puello should be hitting leadoff regardless of a slump

  • everybodysbuddy

    Brink that guy to NY!!!!!

  • MetsFanSantaMonica

    From AmazinAvenue – Tejada continued to not hit. He drew three walks, all of which were officially unintentional. Of the 33 shortstops with at least 50 plate appearances this season, Tejada’s 47 wRC+ is tied with Jose Reyes for 27th place.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I think “can’t field” is pretty strong for all those guys, even Duda. If you put all of them on AL teams, they’d probably not be lined up as DH. Maybe Duda.

    Also, the whole “over the years” makes it sound like years and years of it. Those three guys have been on this team more of less for years now. It’s not like a cycle of bad defenders.

    There are also guys like MDD and Kirk who are good defenders but not much with the bat. It goes both ways.

  • SteveBrooklyn777

    Bring him up, stick him at SS for two weeks or so, and let’s see what happens!

  • willymayshayes

    Can you be any worse than Ruben???
    I was actually a fan, now I am just sick of him.

  • Rob Piersall

    I’m fine with Ruben as our backup SS, but not as a starter.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    If the Mets were so down on the idea and possibility of Flores playing shortstop, I think there’s a chance he would have been yanked from the position already, scrapping the whole idea. If the Mets actually believe Flores CAN’T play SS at all, AND they realize there’s a logjam at the other IF positions for the Mets, wouldn’t it make more sense to at least put Flores at 2B/1B/3B in AAA to showcase him for a potential trade at some point? — instead of wasting everyone’s time putting him at SS.

    If he just straight up can’t play the position at all, he’s not going to increase his value there. Based on all this, and his recent hot streak with the bat, I think there’s a chance he’ll get some games at SS for the Mets soon. I’d be okay with demoting Tejada or Q. EITHER ONE.

    Tejada is OPSing .533, Q is OPSing .555 — If Wilmer can do 150-200 points better than those guys, and make all the routine plays at SS, that would be a huge boost for this team. I hope he gets his chance.

  • Helloboy

    This is why these pitching and offense stats do not mean much to me.

  • willymayshayes

    Plus he can back-up 2B.
    BUT honestly, I’m starting to wonder about that. If he can’t hit over 200 he isn’t fine at anything.

  • everybodysbuddy

    Ok, Duda when he was put in the outfield. Ya that was a big mistake. He does ok at 1st. Not a gold glover by any stretch, but can’t field is rough. And Flores can field fine, it’s a stretch at SS ya. So it’s maybe more where players are played more so than weather they can field or not. Murphy and Satin had position changes. And Murph has adjusters well.

  • shouldaswung

    Flores has 6 in 100 overall at bats, most of them at SS. For perspective, Didi Gregorius has 6 in 119 at bats, Javier Baez has 5 in 79 at bats, and veteran “glove man” Paul Janish has 5 in 79 at bats, all at the same position, all in the same league.

  • Helloboy

    I do not know how these stats translate outside of this hitters friendly park and league. I am certain that his offense would still be considerably more than Tejada, even if that means a .240/.315/.389 spit, which i think is what Flores would do in the majors in this division with all its pitching.

    Tejada and his – owar and -dwar has to go. I find it highly unlikely that Flores will be an overall -WAR.

    With that said, i am not a big Flores guy and do not think he is a long term answer there, but i bet it would be a much better thing that we have now. Plus, you can hit him 7th and move TDA down.

  • Helloboy

    Look at the bright side, the Mets are not optimistic about Tejada at SS either. Eventually, they may just make the move for the hot bat because Tejada is just gawd awful. He really is getting harder and harder to stomach.

  • Rob Piersall

    We need to do something at SS. If the Mets don’t think Flores is the answer, go out and get another SS then. Tejada isn’t the answer.

  • Charley’s Twin

    good stuff, thanks. What the hell, just put him out there. Worst thing that happens is unsatisfactory play at SS, which we’re quite used to at this point.

  • shouldaswung

    I’ve personally seen him play SS before and thought he was adequate. He seems to have gotten in better shape and improved his quickness (still not quick though) since then.

    I compared his defense to Peralta’s over 2 years ago, and at that time he looked to be even or slightly worse.
    His defense now seems good enough to play SS for a team with flyball/strikeout pitchers, and a great defensive outfield, IF his bat translates to Fonzie-like numbers in the bigs.

    Next year’s rotation of Colon, Harvey, Wheeler, Gee, Niese, Mejia, Syndergaard, Montero, and deGrom, could certainly be tailored/trimmed to minimize the defensive shortcomings behind them, and Flores could cheat towards the grass to keep everything in front of him.

    Far from ideal but…workable (IF the bat and all that…).

  • BronxMets

    this guys value is to play 3B at AAA hit and get traded. He has no other value to the NY Mets.

  • BronxMets

    see you cant do that…….2 weeks is a nano second in MLB..

  • BronxMets

    and put him where?

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Would you be willing to go with a MI tandem of Murphy and Flores?

  • ray sadecki

    Flores hit well in AA Bingo and A ball St Lucie which are not a hitters parks. He has to be given a chance and now that his bat is hot, it is the perfect time to see what he can do in the bigs.

  • Helloboy

    I am agreeing.

  • Reese Kaplan

    Of course, based on recent history, Collins would give him about 2 games to prove himself, hit him 8th and then bury him on the bench to get more ABs for Quintanilla.

  • BCleveland3381

    It’s kind of cool CBS Sports channel will be airing weekly minor league baseball games. Vegas isn’t on the May schedule, but every Thursday a AAA game will be televised. Hopefully they get the ratings and can expand on this coverage next season.

    http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/cbs-sports-network-will-be-airing-minor-league-baseball-this-season.html

  • Helloboy

    May as well just bring him up and play him. If he is that bad that you would rather switch back to Tejada, you may as well trade him as he would be useless to us at any position.

  • BCleveland3381

    I just don’t get the downside of bringing Flores up and putting him at short. Offensively, he’s an obvious upgrade over Tejada. If he is adequate defensively, then great! If he can’t play the position, then we’re no worse off than we are right now. It’s obvious Tejada isn’t an everyday player at the big league level so give Flores a chance.

  • shouldaswung

    For now? Yes. For the next 5 years…maybe, but probably not.

    Defense up the middle is kind of (hugely) important, and I would rather see a trade made involving one or both of them, with a new SS being introduced from that (or another) trade, and either one of them at 2B, or ALSO, a new 2B being introduced too.

    For example, Niese and Murphy to Texas for Feliz and Andrus. Flores would slide to 2B, OR, we could throw him in the trade too and ask for Odor.

  • Helloboy

    This is true, he should be hitting 7th with TDA 8th. Regretfully, there is just nowhere else he would fit right now.

  • Helloboy

    Upgrade from Tejada, who is a AA player.

  • Helloboy

    SS Obviously.

  • sperry

    I don’t care if they’re optimistic or pessismistic or what. Just effing bring him up already and see what he can do. This team takes FOREVER in finding out what guys are made of.

  • mattbalasis

    They have to at least try him out. How bad could he be? It’s not just that Ruben is an automatic out, you have to consider Flores’ offensive upside … what would an Edgardo Alfonzo type hitter mean to this lineup? He could have a transformational effect … this lineup needs more guys who put together tough at-bats and who don’t strike out a ton — guys like Murphy … the thing about striking a lot and drawing walks is, yeah maybe you wear out the opposing starter, but K’s pump pitchers up like nothing else whereas an 11 pitch at-bat that ends with a bloop single is hugely deflating for a starter.

  • blaiseda

    Puma’s an **s. i wouldnt beleive anything he reported. Im not saying that the Mets think Flores is a great fielding SS, i just would not put any stock in anything Mike Puma reports. Flores at SS is an experiment. We currently have no position for him, but while they try to figure out if he can field well enough to be an everyday SS, he’s quickly building his trade value as is Duda and/or Murphy (who always had it). This will give the Mets plenty of options as June/July deadline approaches and other team’s needs emerge. Im so much mor eoptomistic about the Mtes for the next 5 years than anytime in the past 5 years.

  • Peter

    Hopefully we see Black and Thorton soon in the bullpen and Flores at shortstop.

  • First off once again everyone is reacting to one of these “Un Named sources” quoted by a writer with NO credibility. Which have proven to be B.S.! Recent scouting reports have stated his improved range will allow him to stick at short stop. His bat more than allows him to. Also until he got hurt last year his was an RBI machine! Those are all facts! Give the kid his shot and let him play the rest of the season at short and lets see what we have! End of story! He will hit, he will drive in the runs the rest of our strikeout prone hitters will not and we will win more games!.

  • mets4lyfe

    Flores’ defense at SS cannot be any worse than Murphy’s defense at 2B.

  • BCleveland3381

    Even if the Mets were ready to bring Flores up and give him a shot, I doubt they would do it until their next homestand. The Wilpons need all the help selling tickets they can get.

  • BCleveland3381

    That’s probably the biggest problem. Im all for bringing Flores up and giving him a shot. One defensive liability in the middle IF is something you can overcome. But having BOTH middle infielders being poor fielders, along with Duda at 1B, could be trouble. But Tejada isn’t that good defensively, and his offense is non existent.

  • mets4lyfe

    Duda’s average at 1B and Wright is above-average, but I agree, the Mets infield defense would be pretty bad.

  • Taskmaster4450

    And you are basing this upon what?

  • Kevin

    I place no stock in anything Puma says. It seems like he gets off on dousing this franchise and it’s fans with negativity.

  • SCalNTMetfan

    The word was, once Flores starts hitting, they are going to bring him up, now’s the time…

  • mad met

    Think teddy in a time out for yelling at that baby harvey k

  • Helloboy

    A couple of wins in Miami would help too.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Don’t know about that, but ok. I had previously said lots of people make excuses for Flores and Teddy said his errors were Dykstra’s fault, which I found ironic.

  • KMO82

    I remember one play in ST where it was a tailor made DP and the 2B flipped to Flores and he got all messed up with his foot work around the bag and didn’t even make a throw to first. If he is still making those kinds of mistakes he can’t be called up. That can’t happen at the ML level and it would be embarrassing. On the other hand, after that play he looked decent at SS in the spring when he played there and all reports are that he has improved and isn’t “killing” them out there. The main problem with bringing him up, even if you know he is going to play a notch or two below average defense at SS, how much of a leash do you give him? It’s not like he tore it up last year with the bat (I know he was hurt) or this spring and knowing Collins as soon as he makes an error or two and is hitting .200 after a week he will burry him. If he doesn’t come out raking I foresee trouble with this. It’s just not a forgone conclusion he is going to put up big offensive numbers in the bigs but I guess there is only one way to find out and TC and the Mets, if they bring him up, have to commit to him and play him every day for at least a month. Now that he is more comfortable there by playing there everyday for the last month and his bat has come around (and Tejada being awful thus far with the bat), if there was a time to try this it is now I would think.

  • Helloboy

    Black is not close, despite his ERA. He has 10 walks and 11 K’s in limited innings. His BB:K ratio must improve before they call him up. This type of ratio will not lead to a low ERA in the majors. It is a different world of talent and they would kill him if he keeps putting guys on.

  • Dark HelMet

    Secretly i suspect this, too. There’s something about his swing and frame that makes me question how long he can last in the big leagues. I really hope I’m wrong, though.

  • Helloboy

    If Flores is doing well enough at SS that his value is going up, the Mets would not trade him. This means his D is good enough for the offense he produces. if this is happening, he is still inexpensive, they will keep him and start him.

    The Mets are not moving Murphy, they would have done so already. They are not moving Duda because Smith is still several years away.

    Why would they trade their starting position players and what do you think they are getting back? Murphy has a contract so team friendly that they would be crazy to trade him at this time.

  • Helloboy

    STOP MAKING SENSE, IT IS DRIVING ME CRAZY!

  • Helloboy

    You give him a month. As another poster logically pointed out, next month you can get Drew without giving up a pick anymore. So if he succeeds this month, you keep him. If not, you go hard for Drew.

  • HarveyKsYou

    Flores isn’t selling a damn ticket… He’s a nice prospect. He’s not a top 50 prospect and no one ever mentions him in mets land (unless you’re on here).

  • kw_all

    i like your thinking and i agree with this … flores and murphy cannot both be middle infieders in 2015, but for 2014, lets see what you got.

  • skiplockweird

    They could do it Davey Johnson style. Flores starts when we pitch starters prone to get fly balls. T ejada or Q start when we have a starter prone to getting ground ball outs.

  • BronxMets

    and you can kiss our pitching staff goodbye youd have horrible defense at ss 2b and 1b………..

  • Taskmaster4450

    Everyone needs to pay attention. They are playing him exclusively at SS this season. Why are the Mets doing that? Is it because they are so excited about Muno? I doubt it. The Mets are giving him a chance to prove he can field the position and gert reacquainted with it. It was 2 years and 2 levels since he played it. Yet people wanted him thrown into the fire in the major leagues. Absurd.

    The Mets did right on this one. They send him down to get himself settled at the position defensively. His offense suffered temporarily which should not come as a surprise. At least it was against hitting he was accustomed to. Now his bat is starting to wake up (I presume as he feels more comfortable defensively). They are going to give him a bit more time to really get his bat situated and then I think he will be called up as the next SS for the Mets.

    Is he the long term answer? Who knows. But I think they look at him in the short term.

  • TPT

    i guess you say things just to be heard lol thats a statement that at this time has no basis …

  • skiplockweird

    Gimme that rye, you old bag! I agree.

  • Not4

    Have you been watching Murphy last year and this? He has turned himself into a decent defensive player. Still does not have the range you’d like, but is HUGELY improved from when he first started playing there. (And is a superior defender compared to Duda who is below average at 1st).

    BCleveland has hit on the nail on the head though. You really want strong up the middle defense if possible, and having Murphy (with his somewhat limited range) and Flores (who definitely has limited range) out there is a bit scary. But potentially worth it to see how good Flores’ bat may be.

  • Nolrog

    100 at bats or 100 innings?

  • Not4

    I’ve always thought that K:BB ratios are less important than just straight out BB ratio. But regardless of which you subscribe to, the fact is that Black clearly has not yet harnessed his control enough to warrant any belief that he can help the big league club.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    cant wait to see him back up here playing ss

  • Nolrog

    Todd Hundley. Greg Jeffries.

  • Nolrog

    If by adjusting well, you mean consistently ranks as one fo the worst 2B defensively, then he is adjusting great.

  • Bail4Nails

    The best thing going for Flores right now, is that so many guys here are calling him a bust (AAAA player etc.)
    They were all wrong about Lagares. And now hopefully they will be wrong about Flores. If not, we get Drew or a Trade. Just turn the page on Tejada already PLEASE.

  • shouldaswung

    At bats. I didn’t have time to compare defensive chances or innings. At bats will give you a rough indicator of how many games the player played. Perhaps someone else can expand on my quick research and include UZR too.

  • Dave Rosenbluth

    Regarding embarrassing footwork, Murph took most of last year to get acclimated enough to rid himself of the same problem. These things can take some time.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I want to call up Flores soon now that he’s starting to hit.

  • TPT

    why am i not surprised lol??? im not sure on TDA but im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and some time but Flores? when he came up last year he tore it up driving in runs at a unreal clip until he hurt his ankle and put a end to his first stint in the majors and i don’t think replacing Tejada defensively will be that hard being Tejada is avg at best ..so lets not be so quick to label Flores a AAAA without getting the chance Dudas Tejada and TDA have gotten

  • Dave Rosenbluth

    Murph is adequate mostly because his bat is above average for the position, it took him a while to get to adequate. In a perfect world, where Wright, Granderson and C. Young are playing to career averages and Lagares and DA prove they are real, then Murph gets moved to an AL team , but as we all know, we are NOT living in a perfect Mets world.

  • Not4

    Not sure how anyone can say that Duda has increased his trade value as yet. He’s done nothing so far to warrant such a suggestion. I am all for playing Flores at SS, not because I think he is the LT answer there (he likely is not), but so he can get an extended look at MLB pitching and we can get a better idea about what we have in him.

    I love Murphy, but depending upon his contract demands, there is a real possibility that he gets traded at some point over the next 14 months. And I don’t mean that as a knock at ownership or the FO, and certainly not at Murphy. But if Flores shows enough at bat and in the field, it would be completely understandable to go with a significantly cheaper, younger option at a position. Or, my preference, as I do not believe in Duda, would be that Flores continues his uncanny knack for driving in runs and is our starting 1B until Dom Smith is ready to unseat him. I care less about HRs than I do about RBI and I have more faith in Flores driving in runs than Duda . But it all starts with getting him enough ABs this year to see whether his bat is as good as many think it will be (me included).

    Heck, in the best case scenario, Duda establishes himself as a legit 1B, Murphy is willing to sign a reasonable contract (which I think is possible) and Flores is strong enough with the bat to be a great trade chip for a team looking for a 3B, which really is his best position.. (Guess you could argue even better would be if Flores hits AND is decent enough in the field to stick at SS for a few years at least, but that seems a tad bit unrealistic).

  • BigAl831

    I have very little faith in Flores coming up and playing even remotely close to passable defense at short but at this point I want his bat in this lineup. I have a feeling he’ll be up pretty soon.

  • Not4

    Exactly.

    Want to question his defensive ability at any position, including 3B (his best position)? Completely legitimate.

    But the kid has shown the ability to hit at every level and an uncanny knack for driving in runs at every level. While he has not done anything at the big league level yet, his swing and his success as a young player in virtually every league he has played in suggests his bat will play in the MLB. In fact, I am now aware of a single scout who questions the bat. (Not that scouts are always right, but at least that would provide some support for a massive leap in calling him a QuadA player).

    Edit: Just checked on Baseball Reference and he has played and hit at every stop, despite being on average 4-6 years younger than league average along the way. (4.3, 5.3, 5.6, 4.5, 3.6, 4.7, 3.7, 2.8, 4.4, 5.9, 4.7)

  • TPT

    well Flores wasnt being called a bust last year when he got called up and drove in runs at a unreal clip until he hurt his ankle and he went on the D.L. peoples memory on here can really be short

  • HobokenMetsFan

    as opposed to what we have now?

  • KMO82

    Agreed, but will TC and co give him that time?

  • Peter

    I know tgat already, hopefully he fixes the problem and come up ASAP. Thorton throughout his career does not walk hitters so that’s refreshing. The young pitchers are gonna have to get up here to solve gge problem,

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I say you’re pinning errors on a first baseman that have been charged to the SS. You’re saying you disagree with the official scoring?

    You know more about our minor leagues than I do, but I don’t understand how you can excuse Flores’ errors by blaming Dykstra. That’s ironic in a conversation about the excuses people make for Flores.

  • Charley’s Twin

    I think Flores is Murphy’s replacement when the inevitable Murphy salary dump happens (the only question is will it be accompanied by a Jeff Wilpon “anonymous” smear campaign?)

  • markr

    I agree that it made sense to give him time to re-acclimate himself in AAA for a bit, and it’s prob a safe assumption that his bat is coming around now that he’s had some time to get comfortable @ SS. I’m hoping they bring him up before June.

  • Rocky Thompson

    To further your point, the Mets promoted Muno who played 2B at Binghamton last year and kept Tovar, who played SS at AA Binghamton. Just because Flores is not playing in the majors, does not mean the Mets are not giving him the opportunity to show he can play the position.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I hope Flores can play SS. I really do.

    And as far as Dykstra goes, you can either look at it as he needs to bail Flores out on tough throws or Flores needs to not make Dykstra have to bail him out.

    Goes both ways to me.

  • Jamie

    I think he’ll hold his own just fine. His range is fine and he has a cannon for an arm. He’ll make a boneheaded decision from time to time but how much is that really going to hurt us? He’s basically committed one error a week in Vegas. Is that really going to cost us games? I doubt it.

  • rubagreta

    Flores turns 23 in August. There’s room for growth.

  • BronxMets

    Tejada is a better ss then people give him credit for……

  • HobokenMetsFan

    While that may be true, it still doesn’t make him a “good” SS. He still has range issues and can’t get the ball to the warning track so even if he is better than what people are giving him credit for, that doesn’t really say much about him.

  • Not4

    So few people seem to get that. The kid is 22!!!

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Flores at SS in a vacuum isn’t a bad idea, if his D equates to Peralta, but having him in the same infield with Murphy and Duda makes me quail. Murph has improved a lot, but we know Murph plays deep to make sure he gets to some balls, so his range is still questionable, as far as I know (although I wouldn’t mind being educated if someone can show some stats indicating otherwise) and I haven’t heard anyone praise Duda’s range-he may have good hands but he doesn’t get to some balls. Now to have a 3rd weak link in the infield? That’s begging for trouble. I think at least one of your keystone infielders has to be above average or you have to score a hell of a lot of runs to make up for all those hits getting through the infield.

  • Taskmaster4450

    No if he isnt an all star within his first 10 ABs in the big leagues, he is a bust or a 4A player.

    Didnt you know that?

  • MetsfanInParadise

    26 errors from your SS (1 a week) and neither your 1B or 2B are superior defenders. I keep having visions of swiss cheese

  • Taskmaster4450

    Jeter made 22 his first year in the majors.

  • BronxMets

    wow not sure how this happens I was referring to defense he has more range then Jose Reyes ever had.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Based upon what?

  • mets4lyfe

    Murphy has come along way defensively at 2B, but you can only go up from the type of defender he was back a couple of years ago. Yes, he’s improved and gotten better at making routine plays and turning the DP. With that said, he range is still significantly lacking and he’s still below-average whether you use the eye-test or defensive metrics. He’s not very quick at turning the double play, especially during the transfer, and his ability to get to balls hit to his right still leaves a lot to be desired.

    I’ve watched Murphy’s defense for as long as I’ve watched the Mets (which is a lot). Mets fans have gotten too used to his defense to a point where they’ve forgotten what solid defense at 2B looks like.

    Also,Duda’s not a below-average 1B. He’s not Laroche, Texeira, Votto, or Goldschmidt up there, but he takes the plays that need to be made. Yeah, he didn’t turn a pivotal double-play 2 games ago when the ball came off his glove, but that’s just one play. He’s nimble, quick on his feet, shows good range, and can scoop balls up from the dirt. Duda isn’t a liability at 1B, so I don’t see how you can label him as “below-average”. In addition, Duda was a natural 1B coming up the system and many have commented that he can hold his own there quite well.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I really think it will be in the next couple weeks. The finger injury set him back a week since he didnt play SS.

    Maybe by May 15th.

  • Not4

    We’ll agree to disagree on this one. I’ve watched enough baseball and have a long enough memory to know what a good 2Bman looks like. And for the record, I never called Murphy good. Just not below average. He has improved on balls to his right. Not consistent enough on those, but he has made more than a few nice plays on balls to his right, showing surprising range at times. Again, just not consistent enough. He turns DPs about league average as well at this time. For cross reference, see EY in the first game. Granted, advanced metrics show Murphy as slightly below average. But I believe in a combo of eyesight and advanced metrics and his D is neither a positive or a negative to me.

    Duda does not make the plays that need to be made. He has very limited range, is not good at fielding what he can reach, and is not good at turning a double play. Other than that, he’s great. “Quick and Nimble”, seriously? We are watching two different games. He is incredibly slow on his feet and with his hands – he is inconsistent at best on scooping balls and catching anything that is not thrown right to him (while staying on the base). He is a liability at 1st in virtually every phase of the position. Just because 1st base is his best position does not mean he is any good at it. And Duda is not. Have not heard anyone say he can hold his own there quite well. Have heard plenty say that his only defensive position should be as DH.

  • rubagreta

    I hear you. Most players do not do well when they are first called up. People seem to forget that with Flores.

  • derek murphy

    With Flores his fielding has come a long way. This season I’ve seen him play live at least 4 times. He’s never going to be a gold glove fielder but his range has really come a long way. He is not there mentally and that has caused some blunders. They need to have a guy like cookie Rojas work with him. As everything becomes second nature his error totals will be reduced greatly.

    What is encouraging is how athletic he has become. The mental strain I believe was effecting him at the plate. The past few games he has shown he’s getting comfortable and his bat has come alive. This I don’t think is an accident and will continue. He had a lot thrown at him all at once. He started at SS a position he hasn’t played in years in a new leAgue and as the clean up hitter. Now that things are coming easier he is thriving.

    Hopefully he will be up shortly and he can thrive at the major league level. When people say he can’t field it goes in one ear and out the other. Hearing people and knowing what I know the situation is similar to Lageres. For the past 2 years I had to hear about Lageres bat people saying he wasn’t going to be much of a hitter. He hit in the minors has tremendous bat speed to go along with a good eye and he can hit with 2 strikes. Not only did I think he will be a good hitter but I wanted in leadoff spot. He went to the fall league and worked on what they wanted him to. Flores went to camp and worked on what they asked him to and the results speak for themselves.

  • Helloboy

    First ever post to use somebody because they can get a bloop hit. Priceless!

  • BigAl831

    My eyes, the fact that he’s struggled there, the fact that he was moved off of the position for a reason, and the fact that Daniel Murphy is playing next to him.

  • WillisReid

    If he can play Peralta-like defense it should be a no brainer for this FO to give him a shot at SS.

  • mets4lyfe

    Murphy’s defense is negative whether it’s by a lot or just slightly. He’s below-average. Range is a very important factor when you play any position and Murphy has very little range. Why do you think he plays almost in the OF grass? It’s certainly not for style points.

    I’ve never said Duda is a good 1B, he’s average. A below-average 1B is someone like Adam Dunn.

    Duda’s much quicker than given credit for, range is perfectly fine for 1B, and makes most of the plays. What plays hasn’t he made? From the games I’ve watched he’s done a good job of handling throws in the dirt, fielding balls hit to his right, and taking balls to the bag, starting DPs whenever possible, and catching balls that he should be catching (aside from not turning the DP the other day).

    Duda’s average at 1B and only stands to get better given that he’s hardly played 1B the past couple of years.

    We’ll agree to disagree because I don’t see neither of us being convinced by the other.

  • metsfan79

    Its to funny to me oh his defense is bad he has no range he cant throw he can’t field please guys stop because a scout or two said it doesn’t necessarily mean it. Id rather take my chances with a occasional booted ball yhen have the auto out at short. Please stop acting like u know what he will be because the truth is no one here is a scout

  • derek murphy

    Provided Flores continues to play the way he has the past few weeks I think he should be called up in a week or two. They should cut Q and let Tejada be a defensive replacement if needed and back up second and SS. Flores bat will more than carry his glove. He reminds me in so many ways of Peralta both offensively and defensively. The people who say his glove won’t play for the most part haven’t even seen him play. When Lageres was moved from SS it was cause he was a terrible fielder at SS. When Flores was moved it was cause they felt he was getting to big for the position. They felt with his frame he was going to fill out and be to big for the position. While he was never known for his glove he isn’t inept. Hopefully they call him up sooner than later and his transition is seamless.

  • Captain America

    Let’s hope he keeps it up.

    And remember up until the last few games he did really well, he wasn’t hitting well at all.

  • Captain America

    Teddy interned in the scouting department

  • Taskmaster4450

    Thanks for the post. Finally someone who has seen him.

    What you write is similar to the reports I read online about Flores.

    MMO should lock this comment right underneath the article.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Yes well that could be because his being switched defensively was affecting his offense. As he got more comfortable at SS I think his comfort at the plate also increased, hence the results.

  • Joshua Eichenbaum

    I don’t know if this is something worth considering because it is so far into the future, but Dominic Smith has gotten rave reviews for his defense at first base. In the future, he could make up for some of Flores’s woes at SS if the Mets decide to stick him there long-term.

  • Joshua Eichenbaum

    I think the big thing with Flores is just to make sure he doesn’t make too many errors on the balls he can get to. He might not have great range, but as long as he can make solid plays on what he can get to he should be able to make up for poor defense with plus offense.

  • Not4

    I’m hoping that I am wrong here, but I have seen balls get under Duda’s glove that Ike (as slow footed as he is) would have easily gotten. Duda is inherently faster than Davis, but lacks the instincts or lateral movement at 1st from what I’ve seen.

    As for Murphy playing deep, it seems to me that the vast majority of the time he does so is when a big hitting, pull-heavy lefty comes up and often it is part of an over-shift. So I don’t really read into that “lack of range” as much as and over-shift and being smart, particularly with slow footed players. I can think of few instances when playing back in those situations allowed the hitter to reach and more than a few when he was able to get to balls that he (and most 2bmen would not have gotten to without the over-shift).

  • derek murphy

    That’s what he was doing earlier in the season when I seen him live. Those are the errors I was elleuding to. Some cases there were plays where he wasnt charged with an error but his indecision prevented him from making a play. Some indecision directly caused an error those are the mental mistakes I’ve been talking about for weeks. He’s riding a nice stretch right now where his fielding has turned a corner. Provided he has turned the corner and things are second nature there’s no reason to hold him back.

  • derek murphy

    Throwing him into the fire would have been him out there opening day. He has a lot of reps there and they are helping make things second nature. His errors this season have been fueled by uncertainty. Now that things are becoming second nature you can see a more decisive and smooth fielder. Lately he has been much smoother in the field and I think there’s a direct correlation with his bat getting back to where it was last year. Calling him up now would not be throwing him into the fire. They should still wait at least a week or two to make sure this isn’t a mirage. Since coming back from his injury he’s probably one of the top SS in aaa. That being said its a minuscule sample size but if it continues there’s no reason not to promote. If you were to take away his errors do to mental mistakes he’d probably be close to Tejada. However they are not close with the bats. His bat will more than make up for his glove.

  • derek murphy

    It’s not like he tore it up last year with the bat? R u serious? He had a great season last year. Maybe ur talking about the small sample size in the majors where he was raking until he got hurt. He’s been an RBI machine and looks to be getting back to that now that he’s comfortable.

  • Bail4Nails

    As much as I like Cookie Rojas, I actually have to give credit to Management for hooking Flores up with his idol, Edgardo Alfonzo. MMO had a good post about it, but here’s the one I could find- pretty cool.
    http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2014/02/once_an_idol_edgardo_alfonzo_now_an_aspiration_for_mets_prospect_wilmer_flores.html

  • KMO82

    Yeah, I was talking about in the majors. I know it was a small sample and he hurt his ankles but we didn’t get to see what he could have done if healthy for a month plus against big league pitching.

  • Jamie

    Aside from the configuration today, Im loving the lineup for the most part. Everything’s working out. Granderson, Young, and Darnaud all seem to be hitting better. Murphy and Lagares are red hot and Lagares looks like a future star early. Wright seems like he’s about to bust out. Not thrilled with Duda but it is what it is. Get Flores up here and this will be a pretty fun lineup to root for.

  • Jamie

    Lagares, Murphy, Wright, Duda, Young, Granderson, Flores, D’Arnaud looks like a pretty balanced and lengthy lineup.

  • derek murphy

    Puma couldn’t be more wrong. The mets would have tovar in aaa if they didn’t think Flores had a shot. Tovar completed aa last year and is dominating there now. For argument sake if puma was right the mets would have tovar at SS in aaa. Puma came out with this right when nobody from the met organization would speak to him. He was also the only one to write about it. He made an assumption and wrote about it trying to keep himself out there. Nothing he says should be taken seriously.

  • derek murphy

    EY should be bench guy. Grandy is coming around, CY has looked great n Lageres well is Lageres. Bring up Flores and let’s figure out the pitching staff. We can’t go into the offseason saying we don’t know about this guy n that guy.

  • derek murphy

    Grandy had a similar situation wit the Yankees where he just couldn’t buy a hit. For some reason I think it was his second year there. He looked so bad though and he took off a couple of games and worked with the hitting coach trying to get his swing to where it was in Detroit and after that he took off. When we played Washington he hit a couple of balls that would have been out of pretty much anywhere else. There’s no doubt he started pressing and where starting to see what he could look like. Taking him out of the clean up spot was the right move and I feel has helped him mentally.

    CY I’m not the biggest fan of and I was against the signing. He’s proving me wrong and may do something this season that he has not done in the past and that’s hit for average and power in the same season. The way he’s hitting he could shock us all and hit 270 with 20 dingers. That’s if he gets the ab’s.

    Lageres is amazing and should play everyday. He saves runs on defense and always seems to be in the middle of a rally. He could use some base running tutelage. There’s no reason with his speed and propensity to be on base he shouldn’t steal 30+ bases. They should bring in someone like Ricky Henderson to work with him on that it would add another dimension to his game and make him more dynamic.

    That leaves EY I think he has clearly become the fourth outfielder. Hopefully TC comes around on this his love for EY needs to be capped. When he’s on base he’s dynamic but I’m not sitting any of these guys regularly to get him in the line up. Lageres can be a leadoff hitter and a damn good one.

  • derek murphy

    But even him not hitting well is much better than Tejada. While he wasnt hitting great he had at least 1 hit in almost every single game.

  • Jamie

    I actually like the starting 5 and there will be even more options there in a month or two. The bench looks fine. After Flores is up we really just need to work on the bullpen. Cant keep Farnsworth and Valverde there. Hopefully Walters, Black, and Edgin get it together soon.

  • derek murphy

    Flores is going to be like Lageres when he gets called up n wins us a couple of games everyone will love.

  • pastline63

    I don’t expect him to play SS like Rey Ordonez, but if he’s serviceable and learning well on the fly-then place Tejada back as backup and see what happens. I agree the upside seems far more better after all look at Murphy he went through the same thing, and he is now more then serviceable.

  • pastline63

    That is nothing to sneeze at least 1 hit in every single game.

  • derek murphy

    Seeing Flores at SS n Campbell at 2nd converging on a ball up the middle is intresting to say the least. They look more like the size of guys in a beer league middle infield than a major league infield. That being said I’d love to see Campbell get called up and take satins place. He can cover just about every position. I think he’s played everything but catcher this year.

  • pastline63

    Still prefer to put Tejada back as a backup-may actually perform better.

  • mattbalasis

    ?? Whatever …
    How many bloop hits does any given batting champ rack up during the course of a season? They aren’t all line drives in the gap. Especially if you’re up against a Verlander or a Kershaw, you take what you can get!

  • Captain America

    Let’s hope. It’s a few really good games and a lot of not so great games. Fingers crossed he is now comfortable…

  • Flores should be starting at SS by now.

  • Peter S

    I don’t Imagine that the mets shortstop will have 4 Homeruns and 19 RBIs – for the season! That alone would be an upgrade.

  • Kabeetz

    We have average or plus defense at every position. We can afford one liability in exchange for the upgrade at offense, especially when it comes from improving youth rather than deteriorating over the hill vets.

  • Martin

    he has to be called up. right now. he is exactly what is needed. send him to the airport this moment

  • Martin

    this is the exact lineup that should play. TC/SA, please do this.

  • mad met

    You were right about Florez everyone does make excuses for him…. But I was right about teddy lol

  • pochemunyet

    CALL FLORES UP NOW!!!

    Many “defensive liabilities” have worked on their game and become decent or even good.

    I WANT TO SEE FLORES IN CITI!

  • pochemunyet

    I’m actually not sure what you are elleuding to.

    Can you ecksplein?