MMO Morning Grind: Losing Sucks, Time For Terry To Go

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Here it is, almost two weeks from Memorial Day – you know, the unofficial point where you learn who the contenders and pretenders are – and the Mets find themselves all alone and in last place with a 16-19 record.

“Losing sucks,” David Wright said after Saturday night’s loss. “We’re just not getting it done.”

Gee, ya think?

Wright stood there in stunned disbelief after he popped out to end the game with the tying run on second, and you could cut the tension with a knife. There was the captain – frozen – while the two teams left the field. I felt sorry for him.

As usual, the Mets captain was in the thick of it yesterday, driving a two run homer an a double to account for three of the Mets four runs. But one player does not a team make.

I don’t want to hear about how hard the Mets hit the ball and their great PPO (or whatever the heck it’s called), please spare me the rhetoric and excuses.

The bullpen is as inconsistent and awful as always.

Our $60 million dollar man, Curtis Granderson, is batting .187 with a .590 OPS.

Terry Collins has lost his faith in Chris Young – so much so that when the Mets desperately needed a long drive last night, he had him bunt in the ninth inning. Yes, bunt.

“He’s been struggling the last few games,” Collins said of Young. “I thought, ‘Hey, we’ll get somebody in scoring position.’ ”

40-year old Bobby Abreu is batting .167 and was called upon to pinch hit for the can’t-miss, number one catching prospect in baseball. Remember him? Terry Collins has buried Travis d’Arnaud‘s confidence into the ground. By batting him ahead of Tejada or the pitcher for his entire time with the team, he put our top hitting prospect in a position to fail.

“Any time you have a losing streak, you’re not worried,” Collins said. “You’ve just got to battle out of it.”

I told you re-signing Collins was a bad idea…. After watching a week’s worth of his agonizing late-game decisions, I know that you see it too. Finally. Welcome to the club.

Where are all of Terry’s veterans now?

Look at them all; Abreu, Farnsworth, Dice-K, Valverde, Lannan….

None of those were veteran signings, by the way.

Each one was a late off-season, scrapheap acquisition that wreaked of desperation and a team that is still flat broke.

Worse yet, they each undermined our so-called rebuilding progress. They each blocked younger and better players who were supposed to make this season our transitional year.

They say a team is never as bad as they look during a losing streak, but this just feels awful…

This just feels like 50 shades of ugly…

It’s May 11th and the Mets are in last place after five straight losing seasons.

Remember Davey Johnson? You know – the last manager to lead this franchise to a World Series Championship almost 30 years ago?

“You are what your record says you are.”

I can’t argue with a genius.

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  • Charley’s Twin

    “Any time you have a losing streak, you’re not worried,” Collins said. “You’ve just got to battle out of it.”
    So glad to know that the man whose job it is to worry, is not worried about it. It sounds like something Art Howe would say.

  • HawkZon

    SA loved Art Howe.

  • Wolfmicky21

    TC is not a good manager. But who replaces him? Kerr?

  • Charley’s Twin

    We’ve got the team work to make the scream work.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Or Rich Kotite. The line I am waiting for from Terry is, “We left it all out on the field”.

  • Terry sucks but none of those vets blocked a younger better player. The reason we needed the bullpen vets is because we had younger but crappy options. Time to promote Vic and Thornton and cut Farns and Valverde. Now is the time. Not a month ago when Vic couldn’t find the plate and Thornton was a Pirate. They signed Abreu and he won the bench job by performance. Looks like he’s close to losing it for the same reason. Not sure what the beef with Dice K is

  • Benny

    “Any time you have a losing streak, you’re not worried,” Collins said.”

    Just unbelievable…

  • Biggle Boy

    “Abreu, Farnsworth, Dice-K, Valverde, Lannan. Each one was a late off-season, scrapheap acquisition” (by Sandy) “that wreaked of desperation and a team” (Wilpon) “that is still flat broke.” That should be the point in your article, Joe D.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Just pathetic! Living here in Philly makes this extra hard for me. If we lose today, it will be torture to go back to work and bowling league this week.

  • Charley’s Twin

    just be like the Mets and don’t show up.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I wish I could do that my friend.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Dude, this is a league game, this determines who enters the next round robin. Am I wrong? Am I wrong?

  • BCleveland3381

    It’s only May 11th and I haven’t watched a full game in a week. Just watch the first inning or two, turn it away, and turn it back on around the 8th inning to watch Terry screw us over. I wish football season would get here…

  • MikePiazza3186

    Go penguins!!

  • $14435385

    The problem is they’ll replace Terry with another puppet who’ll follow the same philosophy and make the same autopilot moves. Whether it’s Geren or Teufel – because there’s no way it will be Backman – it’ll be the same story.

  • since68

    Art Howe’s line was “they battled”.

  • MikePiazza3186

    Not always the case sometimes a new manager can drive. Team in a different way a new motivation can change how they play somewhat

  • since68

    Is Bobby Valentine available? (sarcasm, I think?)

  • Ytrade41

    Guaranteed Backman gets more wins from same players ( like he does every year in minors). He will put fans in the seats, so no need for ridiculous true NYer letters. #hirewally

  • Same old Mets

    Like I said. Collins is a puppet for the organization. He wants a job and he keeps his mouth quiet to keep it. I shouldn’t feel sorry for him but I do. He just happens to work for a shitty GM and losers like the Wilpons. None the less he should be fired for his performance as an in game manager. The Wilpons are losers, how can you let your major market team fall into this pattern of horrible baseball and old washed up veterans. I barely watch my Mets anymore because of the Wilpons.

  • Tomthetinker

    I’d take him

  • $14435385

    That’s true in organizations where the manager has decision-making power, and where the FO is willing to hire a field general who can lead people. That doesn’t appear to be the case here.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Sorry N.Y.M. I don’t get it.

  • I am so stealing this line! 🙂

  • Charley’s Twin

    last night I was like,

    MARK. IT. ZERO!

  • Charley’s Twin

    The Big Lebowski. It’s one of the funniest movies of all time. If you’ve never seen it, you must do yourself the favor. A great time to watch would be when the atrocious Mets are on TV!

  • metsfan79

    Terry Collins sucks this is true but what does it say about yhe guy who extended him????? And further more what does it say about the people who let said person make these god awful decisions trickle down baseballnomics. Just saying starts at the top.
    Come on,Tony Clark start filing grievances agianst the mets force bud and baseball to do something

  • Charley’s Twin

    by all means!

  • Charley’s Twin

    that’s the bright side. i’ve actually seen very little of this utter fiasco.

  • PessiMets

    I live and die mets, but I am so frustrated with this ownership and this management. I wrote at the beginning of the year that sandy was a terrible gm any that after 4 years on the job he should’ve had something to show other than 4 straight losing seasons and of course I got killed by his followers here on mmo. And I wasn’t even criticizing his choice of manager! It’s time for a change, clean house

  • since68

    Definately better tactically, if he checks his ego at the door.
    Probably comes cheap too.

  • PessiMets

    Thank u 79! It starts at the top

  • Taskmaster4450

    Wright is a met through and through so he is going to give everything he has. I dont doubt that. But I do question his leadership. However, he is one of the few who gives everything for Collins. Wright’s loyalty to the Mets exceeds to incompetence of the manager.

    I cannot say the same about the rest of the team. The older players, they dont have that same loyalty. They see the same thing we do and say “what is going on here”. It turns out they just go through the motions for Collins until they are out of Flushing.

    As for the young guys, one thing you can say is the Mets do have some good minor league coaching and managers. Imagine the shock of going from a guy like Backman to Collins.

    The bottom line, in spite of what Hernandez spoews, I dont think these guys like playing for Collins. It frustrates us as fans when Collins says one thing only to change it 24 hours later. If that is the case, picture what the players affected must think.

    I agree….Collins must go. However, this is the first place I saw it written where someone is calling for his head. I will admit I dont follow the mainstream NY sports pages, but is anyone else calling for Collins to be fired? Is Franchesca saying that the Mets need to start with a new manager?

  • KennyandtheMets

    I’ve seen it more than once, a long time ago. Loved it. Don’t remember the quote. I should watch it again.

  • Bail4Nails

    Flores is up. Campbell is up. Montero and DeGrom better be up soon. Hopefully, Wally, Lopez and Fonzie are called up next.
    If we were planning on building for the Playoffs next year, this all should’ve been done on Opening Day.
    Right now, the Mets have a massive leak in the Kitchen, and Sandy Alderson is using Duct Tape (TC, Hudge, Bargain Bin Vets).
    Need: New Manager (Wally, Lopez), New Hitting Coach (Fonzie), New Closer and Setup (Mejia and Familia?), New 5th Man (Montero, DeGrom), New Lineup (CY/Grandy Platoon? Need Puello to make a Statement soon).

    Sandy, put the Duct Tape down, roll up your sleeves, and Fix the Problem already!

  • Taskmaster4450

    There are a lot of managers who would get better results with the same roster.

    And that is the problem with Collins. He might not have the ’27 Yankees but his team underperforms.

  • Taskmaster4450

    If the new manager just managed the BP better, the winning percentage would jump.

  • EzRider

    Let Gary, Keith, Ron and Bobby O. manage from the booth/studio. Kevin B. can relay all the on-field and dug-out messages. Teufel and Goodwin can stay at first and third. Maybe get a good motivational speaker to help psyche them up.

  • Dan Bahr

    Maybe. But in the long run motivation can’t change lack of talent.

  • Same old Mets

    Jay Horowitz should manage the team. If the Wilpons have no problem owning this joke of a team, then I will continue to see this whole situation as a joke.

  • I don’t question his leadership, Task…

    Wright is a leader, but you’re only as good as the squadron or team you are leading.

    Do you think if Wright had his druthers, he would have composed this team the way the architect has?

    Doubt it.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    So who should bat in front of Tejada? Someone has to.

  • EzRider

    The problem is that any “real” manager isn’t going to want to come to this organization. SA and the Wilpons have tarnished this brand so much.

    Having guys in the minors like Backman is fine. He’s in Vegas and not the spotlight while being left alone. The instant he or anyone else got here and started thinking for themselves and going against the SA plan they’d be disgraced and degraded in the media then let go.

  • Flatbush0460

    Fantastic points all, I’ve been screaming as much for months now. What terrifies me is if Alderson was the GM at the time he never would have hired Johnson. We would have been given some vanilla lawyer in the dugout. Collins needs to be fired, today, but my fear is if he does pull the trigger on Collins, and I just don’t see it happening. The next thing thing we will see this week is a vote of confidence coming from Sandy, trust me. Then he will give us a Bob Geren to manage the club, when the club REALLY needs Wally Backman. Please God, give us Wally ball today

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I get why people want Terry out, but I don’t get why Wally is a slam dunk and the guy who can lead them to the playoffs.

  • Out of place Mets fan

    I agree TC has to go, and so does Hudgens. At some point one or both of which of will go even if as the sacrificial lamb. And while I root for Wally unless he is going to get the long term job I would not pull him from AAA.
    This team if all goes right will finish just around .500. At the end of the year if Wally’s Mets go 3 games over .500 I don’t think that would be enough to justify handing him the job with out at least interviewing a few other candidates. Then they are without their AAA manager as well. He has proven to be very apt to getting most of the kids under his tutelage and I really would not want to disrupt that when 3 of the teams more important pieces are on the cusp of the majors.
    For this season I would go with either Geren or Tueffel. With either Wally or Giambi as the HC next year

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Like he does every year in the minors… With the top talent in the organization. Often better than the major league team.

  • Taskmaster4450

    At this point I cant believe Geren would be any worse than Collins.

    Geren might have a clue how to use a BP whereas Collins has none. And Geren might give PT based upon ability as opposed to some preconceived notion he has about guys he likes (or dislikes).

  • MyasDaddy

    Enough is enough. It’s time for a change.

  • calamityfrancis

    I totally agree Joe. Another year, another bad Mets team. Sandy has failed, Terry needs to go. Only hope is new owners, and that sure doesn’t seem likely.

    Don’t expect much to change any time soon folks…

  • Taskmaster4450

    Wally wont be manager of the Mets.

    If Collins is let go, bet on Geren followed by perhaps Teufel getting the nod.

  • Hodges14

    But they were 15-11…. didn’t they win the division then? Judging by many of the posts here at the end of April it looked like the Mets had accomplished something. Now 10 days later things look a lot different.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Who plays based on nothing but Collins liking them?

  • Hodges14

    Kevin B already has 1 foot out the door.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Ike to start.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Ike? Ike and Duda played almost equally before the trade.

  • Sean

    I wonder if Wright wishes he had a different manager. I think if he really truly wanted to win, he would himself have the ability to dethrone Collins. All it would take is a simple interview with the media. I know it doesn’t look good, but Collins just sucks and Wright wants to win.

  • MyasDaddy

    That’s the point. He shouldn’t have.

  • Met lifer

    These so called veterans TC leans on. Really? Look at Farnsworth last night. He serves up taboo by walking Rollins of all people. Serves up a fat slider to Utlley right over the middle of the plate. I mean I could have hit that pitch. Then misses to Howard on the base hit by a foot down right over the plate. Even the rookie Tda knew that pitch needed to be up. He really sucks. When are they going to see the light. I would rather loose that way with inexperience than with these washed up clowns. Terry deserves all the criticism.

  • Hodges14

    This team was not constructed to win though. This team was constructed to fit within the financial restrictions that the Wilpon’s creditors have placed on the franchise. This franchise is stalling for time hoping that the Wilpons win the powerball lottery.

  • EzRider

    Amen to that. Wright has never been the vocal, table flipping, bat smashing type leader but that doesn’t make him “Not a leader”.

    Once again Wright and to an extent Murphy are left in a line-up of garbage and underperformers.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Neither one of them played much in spring and it was still about making a choice between them. Any other examples?

  • Charley’s Twin

    or find a new ponzi scheme to participate in.

  • MyasDaddy

    Yeah… 2012 as an example.

  • coyote521

    Sandy;

    “Bottom line:
    We’ve given a terry a team capable of winning 90 games, and they’re under .500 in mid May. The hitters, despite all our tooth pulling, still arent drawing enough walks to mount a decent offense, and the garbage we pulled out of the dumpster for the bullpen is so ungrateful that they’re pitching even worse than last years garbage.

    Worse, its becoming clear that the fans arent willing to do their part.
    We have to fire this idiot and find somebody who will really do everything we tell him to.”

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    The year Ike hit 32 bombs? What about it? Ike played too much?

  • Hodges14

    Collins is an awful manager. He never would have gotten another managing job in the big leagues if the Mets didn’t hire him. BUT he’s only part of the problem here. This franchise is rotten to the core. They aren’t winning, they aren’t trying to get better, they aren’t rebuilding when they have 1/2 the roster being 30 years old or older. They’re just going through the motions because the owners are still broke.

  • MyasDaddy

    Yeah… especially when he was hitting .160 that year until June 1.

  • TexasGusCC

    I noticed Farnsworth came into the appearance with a .348 batting average against when facing a lefty, that’s pathetic from a guy who is a closer.

    Terry didn’t sign the retreads, he just loves them. I think the guy that brought them in has to answer first, then his little pinochio.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    He hit 32 home runs. Nothing to complain about man. Haha. Unreal.

  • Hodges14

    He hit .227 with a .771 OPS that season. There was lots to complain about.

  • MyasDaddy

    32 HR’s when the Mets were already 16 games out of it. Look, I am not going to blame this totally on Ike. I really think Valley Fever did him in. Remember Conor Jackson? Where is he nowadays? Also, with the coaching staff he had to endure who has not develop any talent… I can understand why he struggled.

  • EzRider

    I wonder how much longer the rest of them can suffer through all this. My guess is Bobby O is the first to get suspended for calling into question of every single decision being made from the top down.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    OK. 32 and 90 isn’t good enough. Got it.

  • Hodges14

    In Farnsworth’s defense, he was 3rd on the depth chart to be the closer this year. He should never have been put in that position.

  • Hodges14

    Good. Glad you got it.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    He’s not with our coaches now and he’s been terrible so what’s the reason now?

  • Mark Griffith

    The problem is just changing the manager doesn’t change the roster. The veteran guys you mention would still be on the team. The new manager would still need to manage a bullpen that is completely unmanageable. I get why Terry gets in the craw of many fans. But I can’t pin the lack of success on him when we all knew the issues going into the season- inability to hit for power, underperformance at SS and the biggest hole of all…the bullpen. This all rests with Sandy or ownership or both in my opinion.

  • MyasDaddy

    What? There is no reason, that’s why he is not here.

  • Hodges14

    Bobby O and Keith both strike me as guys who are going to say what they feel and if it cost them their jobs so be it.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    You said with our coaches he couldn’t develop. Now he’s not with our coaches and he’s been terrible. So are Pittsburgh coaches just as bad?

  • Mets Fan in NC

    If Farnsworth, DiceK or Valverde were DFA’d, no one would claim them. That speaks volumes.

  • Hodges14

    Gotta start somewhere. Collins was a mistake from the beginning.

  • Met lifer

    Farnsworth is terrible. The umpire had a pretty liberal strike zone. He was definitely calling low strikes. See CY’sat bat. So why is he throwing fat strikes to Utlley and Howard? You need to pitch down for the ground ball anyway. His so called experience should be telling him that.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Hahaha. Classic.

  • MyasDaddy

    Look. Bottom line is you want Ike, And I would rather Duda. Not really Duda but he was only legitimate option, Of the 3, he was the best choice.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    The Pitcher

  • Hodges14

    He blows. He was another example of the Mets over-hyping a prospect as a distraction to how bad the major league team really is.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Haha. I didn’t say anything about wanting Ike. Whatever man.

  • Hodges14

    😉

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    And in front of him?

  • MyasDaddy

    Than why the hell are you defending him and his role with the team?

  • Mets Fan in NC

    It takes money…my bet is that the payroll at the end of the season is less than now not more….Colon, Murphy and Young will be shopped…and wouldn’t be surprised to hear rumors about Wright as well.

  • EzRider

    That’s why we hear all the heavy mic breathing and long bouts of silence from Keith in the booth. He probably trying to contain his anger and frustration.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Has nothing to do with wanting him on the team.

  • MyasDaddy

    Don’t you find it ironic Keith worked a Friday, not a Saturday? Maybe Keith got in trouble for his debacle on Friday night?

  • Mets Fan in NC

    DW is a quality player but thus far has an OPS+ of just about league average. You need to lead between the lines by performance. DW is a great number 2 or 3 on a contending team but not a superstar

  • Hbkslick1016

    How many bad teams have won because of a good manager? How many good teams have won despite their manager? Farrell, Baker. I’ll hang up and listen.

  • Hodges14

    Since there is no accountability in the franchise from top to bottom I believe him when he says that.

  • Hodges14

    Regardless, why have a bad manager? The team sucks, that’s true, but either way wouldn’t you want a good manager?

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Torre coaching the Mets was an incompetent buffoon…Coaching the Yanks he is a HOFer. Talent will do that for you

  • Ytrade41

    TC’s players ultimately collapse/quit on him over the course of the full season. A new manager that gets this team to .500 or above will force SA and Wilponzie to spend $ on the missing pieces. A below .500 team keeps us waiting til next year. #hirewally

  • TexasGusCC

    Hodges, I was referring to his being in there to face Utley and Howard. He should have pitched in the eighth when you know those guys are up next inning. They had five lefties bat that inning, is was nice he got the first two but the law of averages was against him. They didn’t kill the ball, just served it into center. Piece of cake.

  • MyasDaddy

    If you have been watching every game like I have. Collins legitimately cost us 5 games this year. It’s time for a change.

  • Hodges14

    Hard to figure out their schedules. Keith seems to to to Colorado and SF every year to visit family. Aside from that it’s hard to say.

  • MyasDaddy

    Interesting way at looking at it, but its fair. I think you’re right. I don’t know what is worse. Being out of it so we wont spend at the trade deadline. Or being in it, and realizing our ownership is broke, and not collecting the pieces we need.

  • Hbkslick1016

    I agree with that. But I don’t agree that guy is Wally. I think that guy could be Joe McEwing.

  • Hbkslick1016

    What’s interesting is zero reporters have ever made the accusation that TC’s players have EVER quit on him. In fact, most of them say the lose despite them playing hard all the time.

  • Hodges14

    Yet, every year he’s here the 2nd half is beyond horrible.

  • MyasDaddy

    OT: Chris Young 3-0 2.63 ERA with the Mariners. Hard not to root for that guy. Coming back from his second torn capsule surgery.

  • Hodges14

    It’s a really poorly constructed roster. You know you’re in a division with Utley and Howard and you have no one in the pen to throw against them. The roster makes no sense.

  • It’s about making the choice between someone that will say yes to winning at any cost vs. someone who will say yes to his bosses at any cost.

  • Anthony

    Jeff torborg?

  • Hodges14

    Why would the minor league team have better talent than the major league team? That makes no sense. Any GM that let that happen should be fired on the spot.

  • BronxMets

    WEll I n3ever blamed TC for this mess. It wasn’t his fault this organization was in the shape it was. However now after a couple of years you have to ask yourself who has he made better and how has he added to the situation. If your name isn’t Tejada you get a free pass from him.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Very likable and intelligent guy. Would think he has a post-playing-career gig in a FO or the broadcast booth…

  • Taskmaster4450

    The big question is does Alderson want to be back next year?

    His option has not been picked up by Wilpon at this point. I would believe that Jeff is waiting to see how the season turns out. Hence, Alderson’s fate rests on the shoulders of Collins. Not exactly the position I would want to be in.

    Alderson’s stated that 90 wins was a goal. Fine. It is good to raise the bar. However, it is obvious the team is performing below expectations. Isnt someone accountable for that? The roster is in the hands of the GM..yes. But it is also the manager’s job to get them to perform. That has not happened.

    Sadly I dont see anyone getting fired. It simply is not the Wilpon way. Remember when the Mets had one of the epic collapses in baseball history…who lost their job? Nobody. Both Randolph and Minaya were retained. Do you think that would have happened in the Bronx. At worst, since you can fire the players as we know, the Manager should have been fired as a message. It wasnt delivered. Same with today. If for no other reason, Collins should be let go as a message that there is some accountability. And Jeff ought to put that on Alderson’s head today. Get rid of him or my patience with you will run very thin. But again, I dont see it happening.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    You can only fire so many players before you run out of moves. Regarding TC, sometimes change for the sake of change is a good thing. If for nothing else, you want to revive the mood in the clubhouse, which can’t be any good at the moment…

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    That is correct. Wally would be too bold a move for SA. Not saying Wally would be a miracle worker, but of the three (including Geren and Teufel), I’m convinced Wally might be the best choice…

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    It makes sense when you have no money and are intent on sucking all the money you can out of the team before selling it to the next bunch of suckers. Fans: if you do nothing else this year-Boycott Citi Field!! That is the ONLY way to help this team.

  • MyasDaddy

    It has been three straight years of this nonsense. Some heads need to roll.

  • Matt Mosher

    Firing Terry won’t change anything simply because Bob Geren will get the job. And he won’t be any better than Terry. They will never hire the right person, just like they didn’t in the Fall of 2010.

  • coyote521

    Nobody can win with a terrible team.

    But a lot of managers have been able to maximize the talent they are given, and a lot of managers have consistently had teams that performed well above expectations.

    Terry collins is not one of them.

    For the mets to win, its going to take more than a smart leader.
    But a smart leader would be a step in the right direction.

  • Hbkslick1016

    TC gets killed for not holding players accountable. TC pinch hits for struggling rookie with veteran bat, and gets killed.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Poor David. Now he knows how we feel.

  • Hotstreak

    In game decisions are atrocious by TC.

    But SA has to go with TC together.

    Met history shows Steve Phillips should have been fired BEFORE Davey.

    Omar should have went BEFORE or at the same time as Willie. Yes Willie’s off the record interview did him in.

    GM is the focal point especially uner SA who wants middle ,managers inspite of Billy Martin. IN SA’s case the whole triumvirate has to go.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    A manager can lose a lot more games for a team than he can win.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    He served his purpose.

  • Hotstreak

    Joe D. I respectively disagree. Blame Hudgens or SA. Letting cookies go is a sin. They supposed to be creamed. Keith and Darling esp. Keith keep pointing that out.

  • QueensRussell

    Wally World, Baby!!!

  • A veteran bat?

    Yeah a 40-year old no other team wanted that hasn’t played in 2 years and is batting .167.

    You call that acceptable, I call it a fail – especially for a team who is supposed to be building for the future.

    This team needs a Gil Hodges or a Davey Johnson, but instead we have Art Howe.

    Enjoy him, slick.

  • What was David Wright thinking when this shot of him was taken last night after the game?

  • Destry

    The first thing that needs to happen is that TC needs to be canned. It doesn’t matter which players you have on a roster with this coach. He consistently ruins young players. He undoubtedly makes the wrong decision as far as the pitching staff goes 100% of the time. Whether it be leaving the starter in too long or burning out a RP, or just burying a guy in the pen, he makes the wrong decision EVERY TIME. How is that even possible. There are no defined roles because of the way TC mismanages the relief corps. He does unnecessary double switches that almost always lead to his bench bats having a bad matchup at the plate, and he doesn’t pitch the RP the extra inning most of the time anyway, which would be the reason for the double switch 90% of the time. He kills momentum in his players, and his team as a whole. We have a decidedly better roster this year than we did last year with the same result. Terry is the common denominator. The sooner he is away from this team and organization, the better. He’s the worst in the business by far. He’s coaching a money ball/sabermetric team and he doesn’t even understand those concepts.

  • Matt Mosher

    As much as Sandy has helped build back the farm, he is completely unable – for whatever reason (Wilpons or he’s just an idiot) – to construct a major league roster. Sandy Alderson, Ricco, Ricciardi and Depo all need to be fired and replaced with some assistant like David Forst from Oakland or anyone from St Louis.

  • mr1313

    Bring on Wally. Do it Sandy we have had enough of your babbling idiot puppet it’s going to get worse before it gets better the fans are getting very restless.

  • Destry

    With a different coach, this roster will look a lot better. Terry is just a flat out loser. You can’t win with a loser coach. We’ve lost 9 one run games already. How many of those games do we win if TC simply stays at home?

  • Mike Lloyd

    Good teams-90 win teams’don’t lose 8 of 9. As much as we ride TC about his usage of the bullpen bench and questionable moves-it’s hard to blame him for the inability and lack of talent to compete. Roster construction falls on the front office doorstep…that said, TC’S lack of faith and trust in younger players and pandering to veterans is contrary to a team rebuilding with youth. When your payroll is lower quarter of the league-you must show committment and trust in youth and take the growing pains and uneven performances of those younger players. Everything is done half asse* with this team-even rebuilding. From Ownership to the players-everybody is culpable. The sad thing is the youth that is available now could provide a boost -and change the dialogue about this trainwreck. If only business didnt come before winning

  • Matt Mosher

    Hey man – I want Collins gone too, and replaced with Backman.

  • Destry

    Rarely does the best team on paper win it all. Think about that for a minute.

  • Dio

    His decisions have been questionable in certain scenarios, yes. But the players have to go out and play. This is the majors not AAA. Both are at fault.

  • Destry

    Meanwhile Colin Cowgill is killing it with the Angels.

  • bostongregg

    ….I believe it isn’t TC’s fault. Just like it wasn’t Wes Westrum’s fault when the 1967 team regressed back to 100 losses. But Wes was gone and in came Hodges to take all the young talent to the promised land. Sometimes life isn’t fair, but change is needed.
    The question is “Who is the 2014 Hodges?”

  • Hbkslick1016

    I’d prefer a Joe McEwing.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I wont cry Argentina for TDA because he is being given a chance to play everyday. Top prospect or not my experience is youre not given anything. And from all accounts from former players and current players in the MLB you have to earn your keep.

    Ron Darling told a story on air the other day that 1 of his 1st managers in the Majors NEVER said 1 word to him the entire season. And stated that was that particular managers way of saying you have to earn my respect cause at this pooint you are nobody you have no accomplishments, just another rookie. So Im not crying that TDA has to bat 7th in the order. Lagares was batting

    ———————————————

    Juan Lagares a far lesser prospect that TDA put up these numbers below when he batted 7th in the batting order in front of Tejada and Quintanilla.
    .356avg/.377obp/.562slg/.938ops
    ———————————————-

    The STATS show that so far in a small sample size it doesnt matter where TDA bats the results are the same. Below are his career stats in the MLB based on where he bats in the order. He just isnt hitting, and when you watch him he isnt turning on any balls he has a DEFENSIVE SWING…not the swing of someone trying to drive the ball. Just watch his at bats and tell me you dont see it

  • Destry

    You’re missing the point. Ike played HR derby because we were 20 games out of 1st. He hit .200 with a barely .300 OBP, and almost all of his HRs came against mop up bullpen guys, when we were getting blown out or AAA callups in the 2nd half. He always sucks in the 1st half cause he has to face real live major league pitchers.

  • Matt Mosher

    The mutiny from the fan base is well under way. Gonna be a looooong summer for the Sandy Man.

  • Destry

    No one should bat in front of Tejada. He needs to be released.

  • BronxMets

    I Want my mommy…………

  • metsfan79

    Wally. Change the dynamic of the team. Sandy needs to say “sorry ny mets fans im not a baseball guy and we are going to hand over the daily chores up baseball to Wally Backman he has full authority to do as he sees fit “

  • BronxMets

    what off the record interview

  • Xavier 22

    I’m just wondering that if Backman is the answer, why didn’t any MLB team choose him in the offseason when he was readily available? What do Mets fans see in him that apparently all of MLB does not?

  • fedupfan13

    I don’t think Terry is great. Honestly I’ve never seen him manage a talented team so I’m not sure. Blaming him for theses losses is wrong. This team just isn’t good enough. I mean if you need to send up a pinch hitter, who’s there? If you need an arm out of the bullpen, who’s there ? I’m not saying I want terry to manage a team I expect to contend, but Larussa would look bad with this team.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I think it’s time for TC to go. We need to make a change. He doesn’t know how to manage young players. He mismanages the pen.

  • fedupfan13

    But why do we give a pass to the GM who can’t build a pen?

  • goorru

    The GM put this garbage roster together blame him. You can’t blame TC for Farnsworth, Valverde, Rice, Dice K, Chris Young, EY, Tejada, TDA, Grandy, Colon, Abreu, Satin, Quintanilla etc. Bad manager probably but it’s a worse roster. Next year, next year, next year is all we’ve been hearing from this GM.

  • Destry

    Everyone says that and its such bull. Wright, Reyes, Murphy, Davis, Duda, Thole is hitting .400 with Toronto, Beltran, Pagan, Were all in the same lineup. Batting champ sb champ, cy young winner. He sucks. It doesn’t matter which players, he produces the same result

  • Derpy

    The reason he has a defensive swing is because every time he drives the ball to his strength, right center field, it is a routine flyball because Citi Field has a 400 foot fence in right center. Citi Field plays directly against darny’s strengths and neutralizes his entire offensive game. Citi Field is destroying the future of this franchise and it should have been fixed by now. I cannot believe this franchise is allowing a 400 foot right center fence destroy their future like this, it is such a simple fix and people are *so stubborn* about it.

    News flash, when you hit the ball as hard as you can, it travels 390 feet and gets caught on the grass right in front of the warning track, you’re going to change your approach. Darny is a guy who drives the ball to right field. He can’t in Citi. He has to change himself and hit the ball up the middle and/or pull. He isn’t that sort of hitter naturally, so you see him swinging and missing a lot. He had to change his swing to play in this park.

    If he played in just about any other park in baseball, he would not have to do this. Citi Field is unique. Uniquely terrible for right handed opposite field hitters. And it just so happens two of the major offensive pieces on this team are right handed opposite field hitters. It is no wonder this team doesn’t score any runs.

  • fedupfan13

    They could fire him…I really don’t care. Those teams were flawed too. I just think you’re blaming the wrong guy. This team was picked to win 74 games. Then the Mets come out and say they expect 90, some fans agree and everyone blames the manager..they will fire him and the team will still stink. I don’t think he’s great I don’t care if they fire him, I’m just saying the new manager will lose until he’s given more talent

  • Guest

    this team is a last place piece of trash. after the yankees bury them they will be irrelevant. another wretched season. boycott

  • Hotstreak

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/willie-randolph-apologizes-to-mets-for-racism-accusation-1.698749

    Don’t forget Fred hired him when nobody else did. They wasted Willie’s time on mandatory interviews for potential black managers but he was never hired except by the Mets and Fred Wilpon in particular. He can see why Fered was miffed by Willie’s interiew with Ian O’Connor of Bergan Record.

  • Destry

    The bullpen would be better if used properly, no one even knows who the closer is? No one. The bullpen guys never know what to expect due to the sporadic decisions from TC. How do u prepare yourself mentally or physically for that?

  • I know I am in the minority when it comes to Collins and I am not against him being fired but I also don’t believe in doing so based on certain conditions.

    Collins get a lot of heat as he should being the manager but if he is going to be fired over in game strategies then I suggest get a long list of managers ready cause we will be going through quite a few managers whose in game strategies will be questioned especially when they backfire.

    Fire Collins if he is failing to follow what the organization wants from him or if he lost his team and they are not responding to him i.e., given up. Fire Collins to send a message to the team or because it’s believed the team is underachieving and they should be better than the record says they are. But in game strategies, pinch hitters, lineups, bullpen choices? If this is what is going to be the criteria then I expect unless the Mets constantly win in spite of those choices when they are made we will be firing quite a number of managers.

  • Destry

    He gets less out of talent than anyone in baseball.

  • Eric

    Have you seen a team take more check swings? It’s clearly the approach holding the bats back, literally. Let these guys swing aggressively looking to do damage. Not tentatively, hoping they’re not swinging at a ball. It’s sad to see

  • Macdaddy

    After a week of self-imposed exile, I have simply sat back and tried to take in what I have to assume is major league baseball; and in all honesty the view has been something short of exhausting and certainly alarming.

    Having been around the game and witness to enough baseball, from a coaching perspective, I have concluded that this is less about the players and more about the leadership and skill sets of the coaches on this team. Yes, players play and obviously the coaches coach, but I am going to suggest that poor coaching and leadership can be more detrimental to a team than just having average to below average players.
    Many years ago I was at a fund raiser for youth sports and a number of coaching icons were at the event, who also took some individual time to talk about their coaching careers and why they got into coaching. One of the more interesting speakers was Bum Phillips who as everyone knows coached the Houston Oilers back in the days of Luv Ya Blue era with Earl Campbell and Dan Pastorini. Obviously if you have ever heard any sound bite from NFL films regarding Bum, the man was a walking sound bit looking for an open mic…hahaha.

    Anyway the point of this commentary came from what he said about coaching and who he felt were great coaches. To that end he summed up Don Shula with this rather simple statement…”Don could take his team and beat yours and then walk to the other side of the field and then take your team and beat his.” And that folks is what coaching is all about…it’s not just getting all the best guys, flipping the switch and letting them play and then win…it is about leading those players, finding the unique gifts in each of them, teaching them, mentoring them and having that innate ability to put them in positions where they have the best chance to succeed and obviously win. Yes football is a different game than baseball but to diminish the impact of coaching in baseball and how to maximize the individual talents of your team is to truly not fully understand the game and value of coaches. For if coaching was simply a plug and play element then why even have coaches in the first place.

    Ultimately, it is clear to me that when you look at the key elements of this coaching staff (Terry Collins, Dan Warthen, Dave Hudgens and Bob Geren) you see a very clear pattern…guys who have been around the game as both players and coaches, but in both facets of their respective careers they have done virtually nothing to distinguish themselves either as players or coaches. With Hudgens and Geren you have two guys who had dubious baseball careers and essentially cut their teeth with the A’s as players and coaches…with neither truly developing talents or metrics that would justify them being on MLB clubs either as players or coaches…yet they are providing the hitting and bench coaching support that Terry must draw upon. Then you look at the pitching coach and the only reason Warthen can get any acclaim is the fact that he has a wealth of talent around him…yet not enough of a voice to suggest what they should have done with the bullpen or for that matter spent enough time with his minor league coaches to suggest that maybe it’s time to bring that talent up to support the rotation…frankly these three guys have done nothing in baseball to distinguish themselves yet they are at the helm and top of the Mets coaching food chain.

    Then you add Terry Collins to the mix and although you can say that TC had winning records with the Astros and Angels…he lasted all but a couple of years at each stop and oddly enough the reason he resigned or was dismissed had less to do with the record and more to do with how the players received him. TC may have toned down his act from those days in the 90’s but realize that after his stint with the Angels he had not been on a major league club for over a decade until the Mets came calling. Now that doesn’t mean TC can’t manage but at the same time you have to realize that this is his last stint and shot to do something as an MLB manager and therefore his role with the Mets is less about setting the tone and making these players into something than it is to be the lap dog and dutiful follower of what Sandy and the Wilpon’s tell him to do. This is not the guy that will be setting the tone and persona for an organization that will resonate throughout the organization.

    So folks wonder why the team is now sliding into a potential abyss and you need not look any further than the coaching staff. Call it what you want…suggest a whole bunch of things that is player focused or the failings of the front office…but at the end of the day you play with the guys you have not the guys you want…and TC doesn’t position his players to be successful. I go back to the Rockies series and what will become the point in the season where TC essentially let the team get away from him…since then the team has lost 8 games and won but one…in lieu of using his pen appropriately and tapping into his positional players in the right way…the Mets should have split the series with the Rockies (at worst), they should have taken 2 out of 3 versus the Marlins or at the very worst gotten one win. And at this point against the Phillies the die had been cast that mismanagement in one run games has put the Mets in an 0 and 2 hole and being in a must win state this early into the season.

    Again call it what you want but baseball is all about the patterns and repetition, after a certain point you know and see what your team is or isn’t. 162 games does not allow you to hide much of anything…including poor coaching. In this case teams assume the mind and attitude of the coaches and club house leaders…for the Mets to be a .500 or better ball club they are going to have to play flawless defense, continue to get great starting pitching, have a bullpen that over performs and most of all…be a scrappy, do the little things kind of team on a and day in day out basis…which also means that the coaches need to be in tune with all of those little things and be plugged into their players and who is making strides and who isn’t…the coaches in simple terms need to be consistent with how they coach on a day in and day out basis…and unfortunately that is not happening…which is why their is inconsistency with how the players perform.

    I leave you with this…every player wants to start every game…but it is up to the coaches to know how you maximize each players performance. To that end, players can accept platoon roles and the notion of going with the hot hand…if you as a coach stay consistent with that approach. TC and his coaches don’t and frankly that erodes trust (not confidence) and eventually leads to the players becoming a bunch of individuals. Realize, despite their being youth on this team, these guys are professionals and they too realize that at a certain point there is little one can do so to complain will only hasten ones career. So as this losing streak continues the first sign that things are not in the cards for TC is that the players essentially start saying the same type of things over and over and over…followed by…we have to perform on the field (and the key words will be)…when the coaches put us in the positions to play/perform.

    My gut tells me that if this goes another week…you can be assured there will be some type of change. Going 2 and 8 over the last 10 is bad but not career ending…having the same outcome for another 10 games…will force someone’s hand. Today is a must win game…and if TC coaches as such…then you know the heat is on. If they lose and then have 4 games against the Yankees, 3 against the Nats and then 3 against the Dodgers…ahh this could get ugly real fast. You could easily see a firing of Hudgens by the Pirates series and if the Mets truly fold then assume that TC could be gone by the time the Mets travel to play the Phillies. This IMO is where TC makes his stand and demonstrates he has the ability to keep this team together and lead them. He’s coaching for the right to lead this team for the rest of the season over these next 15 games.

    One last point…when Sandy said this was a 90 win team…he not only made the statement about his players…he made a statement about what his coaches need to do. He won’t take the fall for this failure…thus this will be on the coaches.

  • ill_egl

    Granted TC has not been given the greatest wealth of talent on this team his decisions are so erratic and with so little basis to work from its mind boggling. TC should have left Gee in the game. You dont pull a starting pitcher with a low pitch count because he hasnt been great against the next three batters when he had been pitching well after giving up a few runs early on. Im not totally against pinch hitting for TDA in a late game situation right now because he has struggled so mightily, but honestly Ive had just about enough of the Bobby Abreu experiment. I would have much rather seen an Andrew Brown, MDD, or Lutz hit there. Abreu is a forty something yr old defensive liability who hasnt hit at the major league level for a while now. The decision to have CY bunt was the worst move to me. This is a team that is absolutely awful at getting runners home. Getting on base, moving them over from time to time isnt their weak point- its actually scoring the base runners that theyve been atrocious at. Granted CY has struggled, but so has 90% of this team. You didnt pay him seven mill to bunt guys over batting in the fifth slot in the order. He has enough speed that he could beat out a relatively slow hit ground ball, and he is there to drive runners in. If thats what were going to do in clutch late inning situations TC might as well bat Tejada fifth. Ive seen enough of his crappy attitude, senseless ramblings, and transparent excuses in the media. Get TC out of here.

  • fedupfan13

    Because there is no closer….I’m not saying terry is good but c’mon the pen stinks every year. Every team passed on Valverde and farnsworth…they stink. I would make Torres the closer which kind of defends your point. But Sandy won’t let terry use mejia yet in the pen and he seems like the best closer.. But again who knows because there is no real closer

  • billpulsipher

    fire TC. fire hudgens. fire alderson. DFA valverde, DFA Tejada, DFA Duda, DFA Farnsworth, DFA Dice K, have a new commish throw the cancers known as the Wilpons out of the sport. Have new owners come in and up the payroll to 190 million…thats the only way this franchise gets saved…..otherwise its just going to be the same old garbage you have seen in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 etc etc. Small market losing piece of trash with fans arguing over what little moves can be made when the team is a million miles away from being relevant…..mets, cubs, its the same thing.

  • jcutiger

    Don’t forget taking Gee out after 81 pitches. He was pitching well. Gee has had problems later in games, but he had one more inning in him. And what happens? Rice is ineffective.

  • Waz0787

    Towers and Teagarden were highly rated catching prospects that failed in the big league. TDA has been given every chance to succeed but failed so far. He is 25 not 21 or 22. Dude hasn’t done anything to prove he is going be an average baseball player. TC is a puppet. He should have been gone long time ago. You can’t find a better person who will put up with this and do nothing. Until ownership changes this crap we are watching for last 5 years or so will continue

  • fedupfan13

    He has no talent…if they fire him Sandy is going to get exposed for giving him no talent. Which I’m ok with

  • Destry

    Everyone knows he an awful manager of the bullpen. Why are we discussing this? Do you disagree?

  • Macdaddy

    Honestly, I think you are missing the bigger picture and how the parent club coaches are in tune with what is occurring in the minors and how their insight and knowledge is trusted by front office and ownership. Sandy is calling the shots and TC and his band of merry men are simply seat warmers.

  • fedupfan13

    I don’t think he’s a very good manager. Firing him and replacing him with a very good manager will help. This team won’t hire a very good manager bec they won’t spend on one. I’m just saying that the team isn’t good either way and the wrong guy gets all the blame.

  • fedupfan13

    Firing him might get you 77 wins instead of 74. That’s the only point I’m trying to make. We got bigger problems is my point.

  • ill_egl

    Also TDA needs to be sent back to Vegas to rediscover his hitting approach. Something is just very off with him at the plate and he hasnt been very good at blocking pitches in the dirt. He needs to refocus and find some confidence. The hitters haven that is Vegas will help boost his self worth at the plate and he can work on pitch blocking form while hes there. Centano will suffice for the time being in a platoon with recker. Leaving TDA in the state hes in right now is doing nothing but burrying him deeper and deeper into a bad place mentally and performance-wise.

  • Destry

    Just wait till he’s gone dude. You are underestimating how bad he is. This team has talent. Plenty of it

  • Andrew Herbst

    Sandy should be held accountable as well. He has to be on the hot seat.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    What does any of that have to do with Collins playing favorites? He should have benched Ike because all those home runs came when they were out of it? What is your point?

    And do you know each pitcher he homered against, each situation? Or are you just making a generally ignorant statement because Ike is gone now and you want to diminish a 32 home run season?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Haha. I love that none of you can give me an answer. Just jokes and bs

  • fedupfan13

    Then I agree

  • fedupfan13

    Ok that’s where we disagree. Time will tell. We will pick this up in a couple months

  • Destry

    Its amazing how many people underestimate the importance of good management. This isn’t fantasy baseball where you set ur lineup and the best players win.

  • Wolfmicky21

    “Dear god, what have I done? I could be a Yankee right now”

  • Destry

    He made so many foolish mistakes last season I thought he was doing it on purpose

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Stop at “when ownership changes.”

  • Destry

    Its one month. Lagares started out 0-20 last year. Rookies aren’t automatically all stars right away. Experience is huge. He’s seeing all of the pitchers for the first time

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    The “future of this franchise” is pitching. If we have any guys who are collapsing into emotional puddles because they’re flying out to right center, they shouldn’t be here.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Citi Fields new dimensions are almost IDENTICAL to Shea stadium.

    LOOK UP the dimensions.

    Shea Stadium Dimensions

    Left Field……………..338 ft.
    Left Center…………..371 ft.
    Deep Left-Center…..396 ft.
    Center…………………410 ft.
    Deep Right-Center…396 ft.
    Right Center…………371 ft.
    Right Field……………338 ft.

    Citi Field Dimensions

    Left Field……………..335 ft.
    Left Center…………..358 ft.
    Deep Left-Center…..385 ft.
    Center…………………408 ft.
    Deep Right Center…398 ft.
    Right Center…………375 ft.
    Right Field……………330 ft.

    No disrespect but that is the most pathetic excuse ever. It was a pathetic excuse when people used it for David Wright and its even moreso now when you use it for TDA.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    What “very good manager” do you want?

  • derek murphy

    Joe,

    Good article. This is something I couldn’t agree more with. The mis management of the bullpen has been documented. He almost takes a churn and burn type approach. He falls in love with 2 or 3 guys over uses and moves on. He is not the guy you want managing all of our young arms. What’s going to happen when some of our power arms get promoted to the pen. Guys like Black, Thornton, DeGrom and Leathersich just to name a few. He falls in love with black or one of the others and overused he could hurt or ruin there careers. Joe torre did it to a couple of guys and he wasnt as bad as TC.

    When you talk about TDA his best tool has always been his bat. He has alwAys been a patient hitter with a high on base percentage. Before the season started I thought he should hit 2nd. My feeling was he could offer a lot of the same attributes LoDuca did. When he put him down in the order with only Tejada behind him he should have known it would be disaster. In that spot he becomes the last line of defense when trying to get a run in. In situations where you have runners in scoring position they don’t want to give him something to hit knowing who’s behind him. So he’s been very aggressive and gotten away from his strengths.

    Whenever they call up someone it seems like he always has trouble integrating them. The best example of that was Lageres he’d have a couple of hits next day be on the bench. He was never able to get into a rythem even though he had been raking the 2 years before getting called up. He never has a plan.

    Last week putting the hit and run on with someone who’s been striking out a lot and Duda the runner was beyond stupid. The other night with Kendrick on the mound when he had baserunners he would look back at 2nd and come straight to the plate. It was obvious these are the types of things you as a manager should exploit. It was so obvious the Comcast broadcast crew even mentioned. How does a big league manager not pick up and exploit.

    Lately we have been losing a lot of close games. The toughest part of losing these games and seeing bad decissions be made. When you look back and see the game should have been won its frustrating. They say a good manager can win you 10 extra games but how many games can a bad manager cost you?

  • Hotstreak

    We always have the wrong CY.

  • Macdaddy

    Oh so true…Destry…oh so true. Unfortunately our society, in general, does not teach people how to be leaders. We spend an incredible amount of time and instruction in being individual performers…but very little time on how to pull a group of people together with diverse backgrounds and experiences, to then mold/meld them into cohesive units. I constantly instruct my ball players in the understanding that life is not simply about the sport or game but is about how they can help to make others better. It’s fine to be an stud on an individual level but if you falter who picks up for you…but if you can make others better and truly be a leader then you have the constructs to the formula for lasting success.

  • goorru

    Agreed, Thinking TC is using garbage like Valverde, Dice K (the reliever), Rice, Torres and Farnsworth wrong is laughable.

  • Hotstreak

    Mommy told me there will be days like this and Daddy told me to be a cop. I should have listened to Daddy.

  • pochemunyet

    Excellent. Fire Collins.

  • dnotch

    SA is not going to can Collins simply because with him gone SA will move into the hot seat himself

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    BINGO

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    We all want Wally because he’d react the same way we do here: speaking his mind, breaking things, backing guys up against the wall. It’d be just like having a fiery MMO guy in the dugout.

    Unfortunately, you couldn’t come up with a more uncomfortable choice for this franchise if you searched the back side of Mars. In all seriousness, they’d be more comfortable with Vlad Putin. So while it’s fun to think about, Wally ain’t happening here in ten million years.

  • Mikey

    It’s not just Collins that has to go!
    The guy that extended him is also up for renewal and he has done nothing to deserve one!

  • Macdaddy

    I tend to agree with what ill-egl stated…and actually have said such for quite some time. First the offense on the team is horrible, thus there is no protection for anyone. Secondly, hitting is all about confidence and understanding what pitchers are doing to get you out…and learning such is challenging to say the least, but to do that at the MLB level is daunting. I also stated awhile ago that TDA is an athletic type of hitter which is good in the minors but will eventually be exposed at the MLB level…thus he is less of a natural hitting machine and is more of a feel or athletic hitter…and being such it allows for too many ways to get a guy out…either by throwing gas by him or by making him chase stuff out of the hitting zone. Thus he is trying to be selectively aggressive and is guessing more often than truly seeing…he has some very good AB’s and then in crunch time has some absolutely horrible AB’s.

  • Derpy

    You realize that dimensions don’t matter, right? It is about conditions. The conditions in Citi Field do not allow the ball to travel as far as they did in Shea. And Shea was the absolute MAXIMUM size for acceptability.

  • Tommy Med

    Two hot topics on this thread are Fire collins and TDA sucks. My input is Terry does need to go but it wont change the horrible philosophy this FO has brought upon this organization. So idk if a coaching change is gonna fix anything other than a new face to look at. TDA like ive said from the minute ive seen him….needs to hit the weights. Seriously. Hes an MLB catcher with no muscle mass. How can anyone expect him to hit 20 Homers. He cant catch up to a fastball above 92 mph. Hes gotta gain 20 lbs over the winter if he wants a chance to be successful.

  • Derpy

    Bull. No team can survive without offense. Intentionally destroying your offensive prospects just because you’re stubborn is not how you run a franchise.

  • Bobby O

    I’ve been saying for years on MMO under another username that Terry Collins is a nudge and a LOSER and just plain bad karma. Yet, the Wilpons and Sandy do nothing but to bring this stiff back and stick with him. I guess misery loves company. Jeff Wilpon- you promised Wally Backman that if he kept his nose clean ( and he has) that someday he would manage the Mets. Jeff Wilpon- grow some gravitas and overrule Sandy and bring in Backman and Greer. Realistically, this would be one of the best things you could do to try to improve the Mets and it wouldn’t cost much money less than 1 MM.

  • Bail4Nails

    A lot of guys talk about the Big Bats we had in the Lineup in 2000. People forget that names like Agbayani and Timo Perez made major contributions to a Pennant-winning team.
    I’m not arguing that Bobby V was the best Manager. Simply that some Managers are a perfect fit for a team at a certain time. Terry Collins does not fit this team.
    Wally Backman has been successful (Championships) with a lot of the Pitchers and Players we expect to take the Mets to the Playoffs next year. To me, it’s a no-brainer. By the way, great post Mac!

  • pochemunyet

    Kindly elaborate.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    POST MORE

    PLEASE

  • Macdaddy

    They’re young aggressive guys that I would assume have always played hard regardless. If this team was littered with a few more vets…then I think that would produce apathy through out the club. Right now these guys want to play in the majors and because they are losing they feel that they are responsible…and they don’t want a lack of effort to be the reason. This is working to TC’s advantage…but he is not an MLB HC.

  • seldomused

    You managed to capture everything I hate about Terry in one post.

    I was at the game last night, and when I saw him 1) pinch hit for Travis with the bases loaded and 2) leave Farnsworth in against Utley and Howard, I was ready to scream.

    There’s a reason our young players aren’t developing and it’s not completely due to early struggles or lack of talent. It’s an inept coaching staff that finds new ways to chip at young players confidence daily.

    Transition year indeed. We should see Duda 4th or 5th so we can see what we have, Travis should be 2nd, 5th or 6th so he can see some hittable pitches. I’m tired of Terry’s “reasoning” – he’s a god damn buffoon and makes an already below average team even worse.

  • seldomused

    Why in the hell did I sign that contract?

  • Macdaddy

    Very good point and I am of the opinion that Sandy wants to be considered for the Commissioners position. He did work with Selig and knowing that the game is as political as DC…you could see Fred and company wanting Sandy to get the gig. The whole reason Sandy came to the Mets was because of Selig and his relationship with Fred, whereby Fred needed financing from the MLB to keep the team going. Knowing that the McCourt situation was a train wreck…I am sure Bud turned to Fred and crafted a plan that had Sandy shepherd the rebuild process, monitor what the finances looked like and thus provide some type of objectivity.

  • 2rings

    Totally agree Joe, problem is, if they fire Terry it will not do any good if they just hire another puppet that follows a failed hitting philosophy. They need to clean house from top to bottom.

  • Ytrade41

    All the “fiery” things Wally does is in support of his players. He’s got their back. He’s NOT putting them up against the wall like Terry does with his stupid comments every day.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    “I cannot believe this franchise is allowing a 400 foot right center fence destroy their future like this, it is such a simple fix and people are *so stubborn* about it.”

    That’s you, up there. And 10 minutes later you’re saying “dimensions don’t matter”.

    We’re all disgusted, Derp. But you’re not making sense.

  • 2rings

    And when I say clean house, that includes the players as well as FO and on field management.
    I think they entire thing needs to be taken apart.
    I would trade Wright, Murphy and Gee. Not that I don’t like them, I do, but they are the ONLY major league talent we have that can bring ANY return of prospects/young major leaguers.
    We are stuck with GG, but I we can only hope BC and CY turn it around to a point and deal them at the deadline.
    I know that this would mean MORE YEARS of not winning, but a fresh start with new faces is all I can see that has a chance to work in the long run.

  • The Nihilist

    For context, Agbayani and Perez would be vast improvements over Granderson and C Young at this point in time. And what about the rest of that 2000 lineup? It makes this one look like, well, a AAAA lineup.

  • Macdaddy

    I would bring Wally up as the bench coach and hitting coach and then move Tim to the HC slot…this would provide you the air cover that Wally would need. I would fire Warthen, Geren, Hudgens and TC…and then bring one of the minor league pitching coaches to finish out the season…and then I would put a call into the Braves to interview Rich Dubee to become the pitching coach for the 2015 campaign.

  • Macdaddy

    I love Wally but trust me on one level…he would get in the face of his players…which is what I think Presidente is saying. However, he would do it in the clubhouse and not on the field. Then after getting in their grill he have a beer and a shot with them…oh that’s right he’s not drinking anymore.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Exactly what I’m saying, Mac.

  • Macdaddy

    On what?

  • Destry

    Dale Carnegie, John c maxwell, and one minute manager is all u need

  • Destry

    The absence of tc

  • Destry

    Can’t wait

  • Macdaddy

    Life is not just what is provide from the written orations of the men you suggest…although I am a firm believer in Dale/John and have read many books on the subject…like 1 min mang…but at the end of the day everything is about human interaction and how those individuals either motivate or fail to motivate.

  • Ytrade41

    However he does it, the team wins, which is what we all want

  • MyasDaddy

    It’s the players fault when you take our best SP? Or how about its our players fault, because he overmanages and exposes himself every time he does it?

  • Martin

    Calling for the bunt is a fireable offense

  • Macdaddy

    Oh I hear ya Bro…I hear ya. Being totally incorrect with this comment but here is reality…it’s time for men to act like men and realize that this notion of being metrosexual and 24/7 in touch with ones sensitive side to appease the feminists and liberal minded population is getting a bit old and frankly tiresome.

    This is a sport and it is not about anything more than winning games and putting butts in the seats that drive the fan base to spend their hard earned money on tickets and merchandise that will ultimately line the pockets of the owners.

    Sure I want character guys and not bunch of morons making a bunch of dumb statements but I also want guys that actually have a set of balls and are willing to step up and take a stance/position and not accept anything less than success. Winning isn’t bad it is how you act during and after the process…and when your on the field of play it is personal. No it isn’t a fire fight in Iraq or somewhere in the Middle East, so life and death is not on the line…but being a guy/man and allowing the testosterone to flow is ok in my book.

  • El PanchVilla

    What you are saying is wrong. Wally has won at every level in the minors and he gets the most out of these players. These Met teams have been pampered too much. You need someone in their face. Up to now nothing has worked. It’s time for a change and Wally is the guy. If not, who’s the choice?

  • Macdaddy

    He an example of guy/personality from a bygone era. We seem to think that such things need to be retired to the history books and spoken about as novel character stories…to be appalled of the acts and thankful they don’t exist today. Yet in truth as base and caveman esque Wally might be…he knows his craft very well.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Pancho, dude, read it again. We’re on the exact same page.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    (I shouldve fan posted this) lol

    Just my take on why Mets fans want Wally Backman as a manager and what separates him from Terry Collins.

    Its not because Wally was a former Met from the 86′ team.

    – Tim Teufel was on that team and no one is really banging his drum
    – Mookie Wilson was as well and no one banged his drum

    The reason is because we believe Wally can get THE MOST out of his players. Underachievers and Especially YOUNG PLAYERS, you know the players Sandy says he wants to build the team around. Former players of Wally say things like theyd run through a wall for him.

    Do you think any of Collins players are going above and beyond for him?Hell no.

    Wally is a players coach and if youve played any organized sport youd know a players coach endears themselves to his players. And when you dont come through you feel as if you failed your coach. This means no loafing youre more focused out there you DONT want to make mistakes or give at bats away.

    Wally instills confidence in his guys because he puts them in a position to SUCCEED and he always has their back whether you are the best player(Wright) or the scrubiest(Tejada).

    Unlike Collins who does the exact opposite he doesnt have his players back unless that player is the star(Wright) or popular in the clubhouse(Ike) because he doesnt want the tea to turn on him again for the 3rd time in his career. And his former players in Anaheim and the Astros said they hated playing for him because he always exuded that feeling of nervousness as if the wheels were going to fall off. And that put the team on the edge all the time. Basically the opposite of instilling confidence…Collins instilled UNCERTAINTY & DOUBT in his team. Tell me you dont see that when he manages this Mets team???

    Prime examples yesterday(alone):
    1. Pulled Gee because(in his words) the next 3 batters KILL Gee.

    2. Pinch hit for Duda w/a rookie that prior tonight never seen a pitch in the majors

    3. Made CY bunt with no outs in a 3-0 count w/men on 1st & 2nd.And when asked stated CY hasnt been hitting lately. If youve watched the games youd see CY has been robbed of a lot of scorched balls. Oh, and CY’s stats the last 10 games prior to last nights game.273avg/.385obp/.455slg/.839ops thats struggling to Collins

    4. And when he pinch hit for his top prospect d’Arnaud in a pivotal point in the game w/ a 40 something year old has been who is currently hitting below the mendoza line.

    Thats NOT instilling CONFIDENCE in your guys and showing them you TRUST or BELIEVE in them. Thats instilling UNCERTAINTY & DOUBT in that player in his ability. I wouldnt want to play for that guy

    This has been a BBLB PRODUCTION………. 😉

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    100% down with that, Mac.

  • T Boogy

    I know everyone wants to believe that TC had nothing to do that 15-11 start but everything to do with the recent losing streak, but I would remind people that its still May. However I would certainly fire the Hudgens because or offense is just sad.

  • El PanchVilla

    He’s won at every level with the Mets is why Met fans believe he’s the right guy.

  • Macdaddy

    My guys play hard, love each other and are as crude, crass and base as one can get. I explain to them that when we are in the locker room…that is our little world…and that no matter what you treat everyone with respect and if you plan on giving someone some shiznet you better know the guy, have walked in his shoes and also have his respect before you give that guy the shiznet.
    The team is incredibly diverse and yet they all get along, they all give each other crap, they play pranks all the time and on me and my other coaches…and most of all we win, the have fun, they constantly develop their skills because they want to get better, not because my coaches or me say so, they compete against each other and they have each others back.
    However, when we step on the field it is all business…the swearing and crude language goes away and they all know why we are hear and what the objective is…and even when we do lose…which is rare…they don’t feel bad about it they actually feel that they let each other down. Honestly, it’s great and I love to see how they take it personally and feel that it’s not about what they did and is more about how they let their teammates down.
    Last season we went 73 and 21 and were ranked in the 10 national for 16 U teams in the country. They are playing HS ball now but all my guys are starters on varsity and I fairly certain that a good chunk of them will play D1.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    You sound like one hell of a coach, brother.

  • El PanchVilla

    Ummm…no thanks.

  • Hbkslick1016

    Why?

  • metsman

    Hey Joe D….what’s with the I-told-you-so? Are you telling me there was a voice of agreement in regard to resigning Collins? Maybe a talking head on TV that receives a paycheck from the person who’s decision it was to resign him. ..but no self respecting Met fan liked that move.

  • Macdaddy

    I’m a motivator…and am one because I had a couple of coaches who took the same approach that I use today. Those men gave me more than knowledge…they gave me respect and the tools to be successful beyond the field/game…and that is what being a coach is all about. I am just trying to come close to what my coaches were.

  • El PanchVilla

    Meh…apologies. I had a TC moment.

  • K. Chae

    Yesterday’s game showed just how bad of a manager Terry Collins is. In the past few years I didn’t really blame Collins for this team. I cut him some slack. But really I had enough of his idiocy now. If they aren’t going to spend money on players, and then at least bring on a new manager. I know whole coaching staff should be gone but we all know it ain’t happening. At least get us a new manager. I’m willing to try Wally Backman. Seriously, he can’t be worse than Collins. Nobody can.

  • seldomused

    Sandy doesn’t make the in game decisions. Terry does, and he makes them poorly.

  • Tom

    Cause everyone and their mother on this blog would bend over backwards to get Wally hired as manager, if they do it I would call it the ultimate appeasement.

  • derek murphy

    The only reason they resigned Collins is cause he’s obedient. He don’t question and he don’t call anyone out n he does as he’s told. All the reasons they kept TC are the reasons they would never hire Backman. The fact of the matter is Backman would be the best coach for this team.

    Hearing fatcessa and guys like him say the only reason met fans want Backman is cause of his ties to 86. So much has happened since 86 and that’s just ignorant. Backman has been successful everywhere he has managed. He is a great motivator, smart manager and his players would run through a brick wall for him. Those things will make him a good manager. He has coached most of the guys on the Mets an has coached the guys who will become mets the next few years. He is more familiar with current and future players than anyone. He knows all of them and has there respect.

    The reason they won’t hire him is cause he’s a strong minded person. He will not act as a puppet or do the things asked of him blindly. He will do whats in the best intrest of the team. He will manage to win and not care about ruffling feathers. This is why we want and SA don’t. Notice 86 was never mentioned.

  • derek murphy

    The team is not good enough for TC mistakes to be masked. When your a borderline team and your manager is costing you games now your not even that.

  • Ytrade41

    Nice post BBLB, well said

  • Flatbush0460

    Excellent comment. Spot on.

  • Mikey

    I might post more but this Discus system truly sucks!
    It doesn’t keep the posts in the order they were made, Doesn’t show all of them so it’s impossible to do a search to find what your supposed to reply to and in general is just a big PITA to carry on a conversation with! LOL

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Typical Mets fan answer.

  • Chuck

    100% agreement.

  • Chuck

    Accurate. Agreed. TC must MUST go! (And the owners too!)

  • sarge69

    Just let the young kids, Travis, Flores, etc play.
    How are you going to show kids how to handle tough situations when you PH for them with a PH that is hitting less than them?

    How many looking strikes were taken yesterday, Soup looking at a pitch down the middle, hey swing the bat.

    Wow, I would of left Gee in there and saved Rice, out only LH BP arm (thanks to SA) so once you use Rice, that is it, especially against a LH heavy Phillie team.

  • Peter S

    The lineup has too many holes. No way you can hit consistently when 6 of your players make more than 8.5 outs every 10 at bats. Joe D is right, this lineup needs to be reconfigured.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Joe D.,

    I still have to wonder how much TC is his own man when it comes to managing.

    I have no evidence to back this thought up – only speculation because of the iron grip it appears Sandy has on this organization and the way Sandy comes across as one who is not open to opinion because of one being so involved with one’s self. Sandy goes by probabilities. So the many pitching changes which comes back to haunt one because of that – he has been given the Vaverdes and all the others like him to work with in the late innings. Chris Young got paid $7.25 million so he cannot be benched.

    The point about sticking with the kids is correct but does Travis batting seventh mean that pitchers are still not coming after him rather than pitching around him?

  • Destry

    Communication and building relationships………my friend.

  • Derpy

    Massive face palm.

  • StrawberryPiazzaWright

    Agreed.

  • There are a good 12 players who should be cut tomorrow and replaced whit grown up major leaguers. Every coach, Manager, GM, and Owner that are part of the “Plan” should be fired too.

  • B-Met Fan

    If the Mets were to move Collins I hope consideration is given to Pedro Lopez. Lopez has done wonders with the Binghamton team during his stay there. He shapes a bullpen with whoever he’s given, somehow managing to carve roles out for each of his guys. He remains unshaken when things go south and instills confidence in his guys. Lopez is well liked and even more respected by his players. Baseball America called him the most promising future major league manager of the Eastern League crop. I think he’ll make a solid major league skipper. If the Mets make a move I’m hoping Pedro gets some consideration.

  • $3028905

    Get Drew.

  • Terry

    So then let’s get rid of TC, Sandy and the guy who invented the Discus system. Works for me!

  • derek murphy

    That is such a bad idea. Number 1 Wally would not work for Tim. Number 2 Wally should not work for Tim. Wally has accomplished so much as a coach Tim hasn’t accomplished anything.

  • Gian-Pierre Rosa

    As if Terry was the person responsible for bullpen roster signings. And saying he’s buried d’Arnaud’s confidence is a bunch of crap. He’s playing practically everyday, and will continue to play everyday. And you can make the argument that allowing Abreu to pinch hit for him against a tough right handed pitcher could help keep his confidence from sinking lower given the difficulty of the task at hand and the strong possibility of failure in front of the home fans. And I totally was on board with the bunt on Saturday night by Chris Young.

  • pochemunyet

    I feel you could have written more..

  • Mikey

    You’ll get no argument from me on that! LOL

  • TPT

    maybe but lets see how good Wally is when he goes to the mound and hands the ball over to the likes of Farnsworth or Valverde or has to watch CY or Grandy whiff with men on base constantly..this isnt Las Vegas and here you face mediocre teams with fantastic pitchers like Miami ,,,nope its not Las Vegas and with this team and GM and OWNERSHIP hes doomed to fail just like TC

  • TPT

    just wondering so when Wally goes to the mound and has to hand the ball over to the pitchers that SA has given him just like Colllins, will his presence add 5 mph to Farnsworths’ or Valverdes fastball like they had 5 years ago? and like TC wont he have watch in pain as CY ( who just broke out of a 0-18 slump btw which is why he was instructed to bunt because a bunt is better than another whiff)and Grandy strikeout with men on base or will his presence change that? and will his presence translate into hits for TDA when behind him stands ready to bat a our number 8 and heaven forbid our number 9 batters ? And wont he have to go up against a Avg team with fantastic pitching like Miami? or will his presence make Miamis great young pitching not so great? my point here is changing managers in mid season is usually done when a good team is underachieving …not when a team fill of holes are playing about as expected..and with this team EVERY MOVE TC MAKES THAT DOESNT PAN OUT IS GLARING..because the team is weak and cannot over come a decision by TC that doesnt work out where a good team can hit a 3 run homer and make a manager look brilliant..as long as this is the team handed to Backman he will have the same struggles as TC….its all SA not so much TC