MMO Game Thread: Mets vs Marlins, 12:40 PM

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The Mets will try and salvage a win this afternoon and avoid a sweep at the hands of the Miami Marlins who improved to 16-4 at home this season. Zack Wheeler (1-3, 5.13 ERA) opposes right-hander Tom Koehler (3-2, 2.41) for the Marlins in Wednesday’s 12:40 PM road-trip finale.

Zack Wheeler has four games with six or more strikeouts this year, including a season-high 10 strikeouts on April 25 vs. Miami. Wheeler has 15 strikeouts in 13.0 innings in two career starts vs. Miami.

Wheeler suffered his third loss of the season in his last start against the Colorado Rockies on May 2, lasting only 4.0 innings, his shortest career outing, and allowing seven runs, six earned, both career highs.

Terry Collins did not have Carlos Torres available during the first two games in the series because of an upper lat muscle issue, according to Terry Collins. “You can call it a cramp, whatever it is, but it was bothering him and, as you know, you’ve got to be careful with that stuff.” Torres has appeared in 16 of the Mets’ first 31 games — five times for multiple innings. He is on pace for 84 appearances this season.

Scott Rice will likely not be available out of the bullpen on Wednesday due to a back issue, Terry Collins told reporters. He was unavailable on Tuesday as well. Like Torres, he is also on pace for 84 appearances this season. In 16 games spanning 7.1 innings pitched, Rice has a 6.14 ERA and 1.50 WHIP.

Sandy Alderson told Ken Davidoff of the NY Post, that his bullpen has “underperformed spectacularly in certain cases and has been inconsistent.” The Mets bullpen has the 4th worst ERA and 2nd worst save percentage in the majors. “One of the issues we’ve faced is, because of the inconsistency, the lack of track records, we don’t have the luxury of set roles. Hopefully that will develop over the next period of time.”

Jeremy Hefner hopes to be throwing off a mound within three weeks and like Matt Harvey, hopes to return to the majors by season’s end. “That’s my goal That’s my hope. Hopefully, I can come and contribute if there’s a need. I think I’d be wasting my time if I wasn’t trying to get back to the big leagues, so I’m hopeful I can do that.”

Starting Lineup

  1. Juan Lagares – CF
  2. Daniel Murphy – 2B
  3. David Wright – 3B
  4. Curtis Granderson – RF
  5. Chris Young – LF
  6. Lucas Duda – 1B
  7. Anthony Recker – C
  8. Ruben Tejada – SS
  9. Zack Wheeler – RHP

Game Preview

The Mets try to get  back on the winning track today as the last two games have been rough. Last night Alvarez just crushed the Mets lineup and after putting together a nice winning streak at home, the Mets have now lost 5 of their last 6. Today Wheeler looks to rebound from his last start as he goes up against Koehler.

Wheeler is 1-3 on the season over 6 starts and 33.1 innings with a 5.13 ERA and 32 strikeouts. His last start in Colorado was not good. He allowed 7 runs, 6 earned, walked 2 and struck out 1 over 4.0 innings. This will be his second start against the Marlins this year and his first start against the Marlins was his best of the year allowing 6.0 innings with one run and 10 strikeouts. The Marlins have the following numbers against Wheeler:

  • Hechavarria 0-6
  • Stanton 1-5
  • Yelich 0-5
  • Dietrich 0-2
  • Jones 1-3
  • Lucas 1-3

Tom Koehler is 3-2 on the season over 6 starts and 37.1 innings with a 2.41 ERA. After a rough start against the Mets where he allowed 4 earned runs over 5.0 innings of work, he rebounded with a 7.0 inning game not allowing runs, the second time he has done that this season. The Mets have the following numbers against Tom:

  • Murphy 5-13, HR
  • Wright 3-11, 2 2B
  • Tejada 3-11, 2B
  • Duda 1-9, 2B
  • Lagares 3-9, 3B
  • E Young 1-9, 2B
  • C Young 1-2, HR

Lets Go Mets!

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My name is Elliot and I’ve been writing the Game Preview posts at MMO since 2008. I am excited to be back sharing my thoughts with you. When I’m not watching the Mets, I’m a Physics Teacher in Newark, NJ and writing about the Mets at 213 Miles From Shea. LGM!
  • Erin_II

    I`ve been in live attendance the past two nights, having to witness, first hand, 14 consecutive scoreless innings by the Mets’ offense, against pitchers not named Jose Fernandez. (3 hours last night on a busy turnpike)
    Headed down right now, hoping to see Wheeler bounce back, and hoping to see someone or something fire up the offense. It`s all about the attitude of the hitters. It`s about feeling embarrassed as a professional, getting dominated by the likes of Henderson Alvarez.

    I just want the Met hitters to be as upset as I am about their futility swinging a baseball bat. Have some pride. LGM.

  • MyasDaddy

    Give him hell Erin!

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Time for Zack to show something between the ears. Until he can consistently drop that breaker into quality spots it’s going to be the old B Parnell story all over again. The whole league just sits back and waits for that FB. Message to whoever calls his pitches: make him throw the crooked stuff until he gets it.

  • Big Daddy D

    GET GRANDY OUT OF THE CLEAN UP SPOT
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  • billpulsipher

    i predicted 1-6 or 0-7 for these 7 games…looks like I was right on the
    mark…but dont worry, sandy wont hesitate to fix the bullpen. just give
    him another 7 weeks cuz the world will end if he gives up super 2…so by
    late june when the team is 10-15 games UNDER and season over with you
    might see Montero..lol

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Flores at SS Friday night. Sandy might make some moves w/the off day tomorrow.

  • AJF

    I know it is early in his career but I trust Colon to pitch a better game than Wheeler

  • jason bay

    Is it TOO early to describe a game as a “must win.” I say no because we have to regain some traction and confidence through positive performance.

    Philly, Colorado and Miami were supposed to be the soft spot In between Wash, Atl, St l, and Atl again and here we have the NYY and Washington again after having gone 4-5 with a win or egads 3-6 with a loss.

    Had we gone 6-3 as I expected, and as we easily could have, we’d be battling for 1st place.

    Time to restore order zack. Go inside early and often from the hands to the chin, no excuses, get it done.

  • Not4

    Sorry, but suggesting that Montero be moved to the BP now is as short sighted as it gets!

    First, everything about his performance screams that he should be given the chance to be a starter in this league. Plus, if you moved him to the BP now, he would not pitch enough innings to switch back to a SP role and pitch more than half a season next year. Second, you cannot just take a starter, whose body is used to pitching every 5 days and convert them to a reliever overnight – at least not one that you can use more than a few days a week for the first several weeks. That conversion process should take place in the minors.

    Now, I am not against using him in a piggyback roll now (with Mejia perhaps) and/or eventually moving him or even Syndergaard into the BP later in the year as they near their innings limits, like the Cards, Rays and Rangers have successfully done over recent years. But moving a high end SP prospect to the BP in early May is ludicrous, with a few exceptions.

  • What did you predict as the Mets record on May 7, Kreskin?

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Building bullpens is not one of Sandy’s strengths.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    If it’s empty enough for you to be heard, give a shout out to MMO!

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I love Mets “fans” who revel in the losses. Always good to see.

  • BarnRat

    The bad news is I don’t think Wheeler has enough control yet to pitch inside consistently and without getting into hitters’ counts. The good news is also the lack of control — combined with his velocity, it should terrify any sane batter.

  • RyanF55

    TDA shelved yet again, and rightfully so. He’s making contact, just right at the defenders. Hopefully he can finally straighten out the swing. It’s a day after a night, but he needs this day off even if it was another night game.

    I said this earlier, but *Over the past 8 games played, the Mets 8 and 9 hitters in the lineup (minus pinch hitters) have 0 hits. Zero. None. Nada. Zilch. I can’t get my head around that. When EY leads off, the 8-9-1 is literally 3 quick outs. Awful.

  • Metsfan27

    Over/under 50 pitches for Wheeler through the first two innings?

    Listen I think Wheeler is going to be good but he needs to locate his pitches and keep the walks to a minimum.

  • Charley’s Twin

    He’s done a great job lowering payroll and taking heat for the Wilpons, which is his mandate. Unfortunately for us.

  • Russ

    Do you feel better? Care to elaborate, who would you put in there? C Young, Duda, Wright?

  • Lotus1209

    Would anyone oppose to trading Wheeler and Gee to Colorado for CarGo? Obviously not enough but something a long those lines at the end of the season.

    I’m high on wheeler… But I don’t mind trading pitching to Colorado… He’s extremely less likely to reach his ceiling playing at that ballpark.

  • Big Daddy D

    C.Young for now.

  • Big Daddy D

    Duda should be there, but maybe later down the road.

  • Russ

    I am going under.

  • Russ

    He is hitting only .194 on the road. I dont quite know if that would help Mets offense.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Two questions:

    1. Would you straight up trade the Mets’ 25-man roster for the Marlins’ 25-man roster?

    2. What about the 40-man roster?

  • Tom

    Well it’s probably the usual day game after a night game rest game.

  • Lotus1209

    Ehh he averages 280 or so on the road.. Not too worried about that..

  • Russ

    Where are you getting your stats? Baseball reference has his careeer road split at .260/.320/.447.

  • Please just win.

  • Charley’s Twin

    yes and yes

  • His next book of humor will be titled, “The Frugal Bullpen.”

  • mad met

    Well stated

  • mad met

    Duda is not a cleanup hitter he is a 260 sissy boy

  • QueensRussell

    Trying to figure out if you’re super frustrated or a complete douchebag. Which is it?

  • Tulo, maybe. I don’t think the upgrade from CY to CarGo is worth that much. Rubie T to Tulo, different story

  • muskytoes

    We’re so pathetic, I’d trade owners straight up for Stuyvesant’s Jeff Loria.

  • Trevordunn’s alt

  • mad met

    Granderson and duda are 6-7 hitters stop putting them 4-5

  • mad met

    No i would not. This team needs a ss and outfield cleanup hitter to compete

  • Big Daddy D

    great question.
    Can we combine the two into one great team????

  • Russ

    Duda is in the 6th slot today. Who do you suggest be put in the 4-5 slot. CY is already in the 5th slot. If Wright is for sure the 3 hole and Legares is leadoff, that leaves Murphy, Tejada, Catcher, and Pitcher? Come up with a legitimate answer please.

  • Mets4ever

    Damn right. Except Duda is batting 6
    Granderson is NOT a # 4. What is with Collins?

  • metsaholic

    Why not both? No one loves him and complete douchebag…no doubt about it.

  • MetsFanSantaMonica

    If we win today, we end the road trip 3-5 against two of the best home teams in all of baseball (The Marlins swept Atlanta and took 2 of 3 from the dodgers so it’s not like it’s just us).

  • Selltheteam06

    1. Yes
    2. No

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    “…without getting into hitters’ counts.”

    Or missing over the middle. Or missing between the batter’s shoulder blades.

  • mad met

    I’m not a Collins fan but it hard to win with bad cards

  • Ryan5757

    Duda is batting 6th. Who else would you bat 4th and 5th if it’s not Granderson and/or Duda?

  • Charley’s Twin

    I don’t like Terry very much at all, but I have no idea why people complain so much about the daily lineup. When you lack eight or six or four good hitters on a team, it’s hard to fill a lineup out properly. It really is that simple.

  • Ryan5757

    Same with the bullpen moves.

  • Charley’s Twin

    for sure. And yes, terry still sucks.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Grandy got tied up on the k.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Freakin Fish don’t even have the game on TV down here today. Fortunately I just found a stream online

  • I hate when Collins makes excuses for his team instead of kicking them in the rear. Hearing him complain about the park being to easy to score runs in Colorado and last night saying that Marlins Park is tough to score in frustrated me. He says both teams they played are hot, we’ll get hot too. Is that his plan? Wait until we get hot and until that happens blame the parks for their poor performances? He needs to stop making excuses.

  • Charley’s Twin

    He would be fired within the hour for doing it, but I would love for him to ask the press how the #@!% he’s supposed to win with this roster

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Where

  • Mets4ever

    Simple answer is Collins Tejada Valverde all Need to go

  • mad met

    Put recker there all I care . Granderson is a strikeout waiting to happen and duda is a huge wuss.. If I see him take another called strike looking I gonna flip my $hit

  • BronxMets

    who on the roster should bat 4th?

  • Anyone else having issues pulling the game up on MLB.tv? It says it can’t verify my location but then I can click the button below and it verifies my location fine.

  • Mets4ever

    As presently constructed CY

  • RyanF55

    It’s simple….he’s looking for excuses. Both teams being “hot” has nothing to do with leaving Dice-K in 3 batters too long, or pinch hitting Abreu for Tejada in the middle of the game. Terry has done a bad job managing this team this year, and the excuse searching won’t be appreciated by anyone.

    It’s also a ridiculous statement by Terry. Both teams play with the same dimensions…adjust. It’s not like the walls get moved in for Miami and moved back out for when the Mets come up to bat. They play the game in the same location, we just aren’t getting it done.

  • mad met

    Anyone else I don’t care just not these to waste of a roster spot

  • billpulsipher

    you arent missing much.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    If gameday is correct, Wheeler is pitching inside. Nice to see.

  • mad met

    Cy or Juan 4 . Florez 5

  • iwamofo

    Yea he is.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Economical 1st inning.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Hi Trevor! How’s it going?

  • muskytoes

    I wonder if Kingman would sign on for the rest of the season for the Ike money Fred is pocketing? He’s only 65 and he’d definitely be our top power guy.

  • Ryan5757

    So put Tejada 4th?

  • sperry

    Ok Keith we get it

  • TheMets philosophy

    Mets hitting the ball hard with no results so far in the last two games

  • TheMets philosophy

    @msimonespn: Poor Chris Young (robbed of HR by ballpark) Mets BA on hard-hit balls: .603, 29th in MLB (MLB avg: .686)

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Wow 7 pitch inning.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Love Collins getting heat for mentioning it’s tough to score in this park, then we see CY robbed of a home run because of it.

    Yeah, but Collins is making excuses.

  • Joey D.

    HI Charley’s Twin,
    Collins is only saying what Sandy Alderson would want him to say. That could be why Terry was rewarded with a two-year extension. He is being the good soldier to General Sandy and keeping his real thoughts private to himself.

  • Mets4ever

    Gonna need a complete game shut out from Wheeler today

  • Joey D.

    It’s just as rough for the other team too.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Yes. I got rejected on Roku last night — said I was blacked out when I wasn’t.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    You’re beginning to enter troll status. Are Terry Jr. by chance?

  • Charley’s Twin

    Hi Joey,
    Creo que Si!

  • Joey D.

    Hi Charley’s Twin,
    Don’t understand the language but I get the idea. Thanx LOL.

  • sperry

    I wonder who would start the 10th inning

  • NewYorkMammoths

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Just pointing something out. So sorry. 🙁

  • Waz0787

    He is coming to common sense. You my friend is delusional drinking on sandy’s koolaid.

  • Russ

    I win! Wheeler is dealing.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    No idea what you’re trying to say.

  • Mets4ever

    Wheeler looking very good 1st two innings. Ball is moving velocity way up. Keep it up Zack!

  • Waz0787

    Mets suck

  • Martin

    you guys are watching from outside new york? does that mean you cant watch the mets when they play your local team?

    i am in bogota listening to the mlb.tv app, i just bought the monthy audio. works great.

  • $14435385

    Man, I would love to see Keith and Ojeda coaching this team…

  • Mets4ever

    Won’t go that far. Wheeler will hit a homer to win 1-0

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    sign that ballboy for shortstop

  • Selltheteam06

    Can we get that ball boy a contract and start him at SS?

  • MetsfanInParadise

    At least it was only the ballboy

  • jimmy705

    True or not, the minute players or managers start blaming the ballpark, they’re in trouble.

  • Metsfan27

    Haha yep you win

  • Metropolitan

    Can he hit?

  • Selltheteam06

    can our shortstop hit?

  • RyanF55

    It wasn’t tough for the Marlins to score the past two games.

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    no but I think he would have caught that line drive Q flubbed on Monday

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Can he field a grounder?

  • Martin

    strikeout.co often has illegal streams

  • RyanF55

    I too am dumbfounded by that statement.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Unfortunately not.

  • TPT

    what are we now 0 for 56 as far as our pitchers batting ??? yikes thats embarrasing

  • Metsfan27

    Gary only mentions it EVERY TIME our pitcher’s are hitting… It’s so irritating..

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Yes. I live in DC and I have to suffer through some of the worst broadcasting in baseball when the Nats play the Mets. On the plus side, Ray Knight does the post-game and is pretty good.

  • TheMets philosophy

    0-57

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Who will be the first Mets pitcher to get a hit?

  • TheMets philosophy

    Colon

  • MetsfanInParadise

    I think Gary meant trade-off

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Wheeler-today. if not,. whoever pitches Friday. Be optimistic

  • muskytoes

    Steven Matz

  • MetsfanInParadise

    He did what Duda couldn’t do

  • muskytoes

    Wright robbed at the wall. Damn ballpark.

  • TPT

    Montero june 2015…lmao

  • Metsfan27

    I understand Granderson is a pull hitter, but he hits it to the EXACT SAME SPOT every time….

  • Selltheteam06

    will this team score a run before the yankee series?

  • TheMets philosophy

    Another 7 pitch inn

  • bspo1

    Don’t worry guys, Terry says well get hot too. 6 months later and last place.

  • CyYout

    They are shattering a 100-year-old record.

  • billpulsipher

    this team is worse than ever. i hope 5,000 people show up this weekend

  • muskytoes

    Where’s Keith going with all this? I’m in a trance.

  • 3doza33

    Cecchini with a triple, home run and 3 RBI today to bring his average up to .280 and Dom Smith was 3-5! Kids are heating up!

  • AJF

    It took one month to win 15 how wonder how long will it take to win another 15

  • mad met

    Ey to lead off Juan hits cleanup grandy gets a seat on the bench

  • bspo1

    The movement and break on Wheelers pitches is nasty today!

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    Casey Mcgehee looks like he belongs on the Braves has that southern McCann/Gattis face

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Keith’s demoted Terry from field general to first lieutenant

  • muskytoes

    Greg Peavey with a CG 2 hit shutout for Binghamton today.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    But you’ll hear, “The PAID attendance today is 25,672. What a great day for baseball!”

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    When did they start? 9am?

  • TheMets philosophy

    Lucas duda has that same face

  • MetsfanInParadise

    But he doesn’t shave his head

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    or grow a dumb beard

  • RyanF55

    Here’s a little fantasy baseball tip I’m willing to share with everybody: Start whoever is facing the Mets every game, and you’ll dominate your league.

  • Fast Eddie

    Wouldn’t it be great if we had a guy on the big league club who could have that kind of day? …or if we even had a few .280 hitters?…or if we could just hit…period. Yeah, that would be nice. I can almost imagine it.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Looks like Koehler might win another Cy Young this year…..

  • muskytoes

    Apparently a brunch special, 10:35am start. Gotta love the minors.

  • Selltheteam06

    well back to back CG Shutouts

  • Same old Mets

    How we looking Sandy, is it time for one of your pep talks about what we have in the minors. You are by far the worst GM in baseball. Go back out west and destroy another organization. Please take Collins and that hitting guru Hudgens with you. He should be locked up for stealing a paycheck. He can stick his hitting approach up his ass, it don’t work.

  • Charley’s Twin

    0 0 0 0 0
    0 0 0 0 0
    0 0 0 0 0
    0 0 0 0 0

    that’s 20.

  • DejaVu

    Like the Mets have traditionally done with Citi Field? So much so, that they moved the fences in?

  • bspo1

    Name one team other than the mets that would field a .170 hitting shortstop into May?

  • Joe

    How long is it going to take until Tejada is removed from the starting lineup / the team?

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    And 90% of the time we’re right.

  • muskytoes

    Let’s get this straight. Grandy is the .170 hitter. Tejada is in .180 territory right now.

  • Fast Eddie

    I like Recker…a lot. And this whole “framing” thing with TdA is pretty overrated as far as I’m concerned. If you can’t frame a strike, you shouldn’t be in the majors…

  • Joe

    so….. it’s not overrated? Because TDA is better at it

  • PessiMets

    when you have tejada at SS, Duda at 1B, a Cris Yopung as a corner outfielder, and a slumping Granderson you are not going to win many games. add that to the fact that your bullpen is probably the worst in baseball you are going to be a bad team.

  • Fast Eddie

    This has 1-0 game written all over it. Now we just to figure out which end of that score we’ll be on today…

  • MattSzat

    The Ruben experiment is over. The bullpen experiment is over. Time for change. I was on the Giants website today looking at the matchup for my Draft Kings account. I caught one headline it ended in simply “…brought up to help taxed bullpen”.
    The Mets bullpen is taxed….where’s the help
    The Mets experiment at SS is useless….where is the help
    It’s all stuck in the minors, because Sandy never makes the moves when they are unecessary. He moves in slow motion.

  • LordoftheMets

    This is a good game. I love games like this. No action means I can concentrate on this delicious meatball hero, more. Worst news of this game was the station identification on WOR: Fast Food Workers Going on Strike Worldwide? WTF!?!

  • Nmartz

    Prediction: Another walk-off win by Miami!

  • MetsfanInParadise

    I would like to know what those numbers were for Mejia before his last 2 starts. I think they’re skewed by 2 bad outings. I think he’ll be fine tomorrow.

  • Fast Eddie

    Are you talking to me? lol…

  • Selltheteam06

    Before anyone blames Wheeler for this loss just realize he would have had to give up -1 runs to win

  • Fast Eddie

    Wheeler has never looked better than he looks today, but he seems to be weakening as the game progresses. Zach got through the first three innings on only 31 pitches, then needed 50 more to complete the fourth and fifth frames. The biggest improvement I note is his control of his breaking pitches, which he seems to be able to throw or strikes in any count. Also, his fastball is not tailing up and in to RH batters, as it usually does when he’s off his game.

    Now he has to face the Marlins’ batting order for the third go-round. This could get interesting. Oops, his fastball is starting to sail on him. Get the bullpen cranking.

    Veloz

  • PessiMets

    wheeler’s pitch count this will most likely be a bullpen game pretty soon and we all know how that usually turns out

  • MikeyT

    is this 22 Consecutive scoreless inning for the Mets? I think they only have like 8 or 9 hits in those 22 innings too

  • tacknaf

    if we could score a run
    i would be so happy

  • Fast Eddie

    Dude!

  • Joe

    Ok Terry…. if you have learned your lesson, take Wheeler out now before he implodes.

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    well this games over

  • MattSzat

    The same Dickey that got them that Thor kid everyone is so high on.

  • muskytoes

    Wheels are wobbling

  • PessiMets

    the ruben experiment was over last year, sandy said so himself on air, the problem was that the mets didn’t have enough money to sign a decent SS…its a simple as that unfortunately

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Dan Warthen = useless

  • derek murphy

    I’ve seen enough of Tejada let’s call up Flores. At the very least we can see how his bat plays. This way if they don’t extend murph next year we can know what we have. Worst case scenerio he proves he can’t play SS. We have tovar who could replace in a second and Reynolds who’s not far behind. I know he made a throwing error last night but his fielding stats are close to peraltas. His bat should more than make up for his glove. Nobody is going to complain if he’s anything close to Peralta.

  • Nmartz

    He’s wild. GG guys.

  • PessiMets

    here it comes

  • Metsfan27

    He seriously is. It seems like whenever there’s a mound visit the pitcher proceeds to implode and give up the game.

  • Anthony

    Im feeling a heart break coming on

  • This is what separates Harvey from the rest of the staff. It’s that laser focus, the bulldog mentality.

  • jimmy705

    As a fan since the mid-1960s, I’ve seen much worse Mets teams than this one. BUT, as others in this thread have pointed out, this is one of the least entertaining teams I can remember rooting for. Ever.

    Yes, Lagares is great fun to watch, but whenever I watch him play, I think about a management team that’s been incredibly grudging about giving him any credit at all. The young players that Davey Johnson brought along with him (Backman, Dykstra, McDowell, Darling, etc) were HIS guys. Frank Cashen’s, too. I never get that sense with Alderson or Collins, so I don’t trust them with the next generation of prospects, either.

    This is a hard team for this lifelong fan to get behind.

  • bspo1

    Wheeler has got to figure out these type of innings. He just loses it out of nowhere.

  • metsaholic

    Put him in the bullpen with Mejia. Call up Thor, and Montero to start. They have the ML experience to get pass the 6th automatically. No?

    Yeah, never mind.

  • derek murphy

    Big spot for wheeler I hope he comes thru.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Pitching Wheeler against Stanton after walking two batters…mistake #1 for Terry.

  • AlexHZ

    Every starter on the team should have to climb mount kilimanjaro in the off-season like ra dickey. no one has any stamina

  • Nmartz

    It was pleasure to discuss this game with you guys. I’m gonna watch Pokemon.

  • MattSzat

    That’s a tough call, with how bad the pen has been. But I can’t say i don’t agree

  • derek murphy

    Putting wheeler in the pen would be stupid.

  • AlexHZ

    not watching the game, anyone warming up?

  • metsaholic

    Why?

  • MattSzat

    Wow. 5-4-3. Respect

  • Metropolitan

    Wheeler knows if he gives up one run here it is game over..

  • Metsfan27

    We brought him over here to be a starter and we know he can be a damn good one if his control is on point. Putting him in the bullpen doesn’t accomplish anything.

  • Guest

    this McGehee redneck has killed the mets all series

  • I was there when they decided to sign TC to an extension and they asked him to clearly state what he feels about this organization and he said, “The New York Mets are the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful group of players I’ve ever known in my life.” (If you haven’t seen Manchurian Candidate save yourself some time and please don’t respond).

  • Andrew Herbst

    One more out for Wheeler.

  • metsaholic

    What’s the difference between Wheeler and Mejia?

  • PessiMets

    i think its more that we were sold for the past 3+ years that this was the year that we were going to be relevant again and then harvey gets hurt and they move it to next year. it’s been very frustrating.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    The lineup doesnt get much easier after stanton either.

  • Metropolitan

    Wheeler over 100 pitches in the 6th..

  • Joe

    There’s no difference. Keep them both in the rotation.

  • Waz0787

    Mets offense are back. Since delgado we never had a proper clean up hitter.

  • Metsfan27

    Terry’s gotta use his personal cell phone to make the call to the bullpen

  • jimmy705

    Maybe, but I think that was more the response to building a park so contrary to what fans looked for–offense!–that they had no choice but the bring in the fences.

    I saw a study once that showed that increased baseball attendance and increased run production go hand in hand. Fans say they love the 1-0 pitchers’ duels, but they really do like to see some runs scored. (It wasn’t a pitcher throwing shutouts that “saved” baseball in the late 1990s, it was the (steroid-aided) home-run chase.)

    Leave it to the Wilpons to build a 1968-style ballpark (Roger Angell called that “The Year of the Infield Pop-up”) in the 2000s, when everyone else was glorying in offense. (Not to mention maiming the career of their only remaining homegrown star, David Wright.)

  • metsaholic

    Exactly. Agreed.

  • That last curve was nasty but, useless because he was behind in the count. You have to throw strikes!

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Letting Wheeler pitch to Jones after walking three batters in the inning Terry Mistake #2

  • derek murphy

    Mejia may end up in the pen but I hope not. He still has to build up his arm strength pulling the plug on him now would hurt in the long run. He needs to throw the cutter way more often. The mets call the game from the bench and no team is worse. They are so predictable

  • Mets4ever

    What do you imply by calling him a redneck. Do you know anything about him?

  • Joe

    Good job Wheeler

  • Nmartz

    God Exist!.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Awesome job Zack!

  • QueensRussell

    Wheeler should stay in for as long as possible. 130 pitches.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    wrong. He’s gotta learn to work through these troubles.

  • Joe

    Can we get one run please? or maybe even a baserunner?

  • Just checking in and I see the Mets have a hit. Awesome!

  • Hodges14

    If you go to the bullpen for 3+ innings it’s not going to end well.

  • QueensRussell

    We’re breakin’ through now!

  • Way to fight Wheeler! He should be done for the day, he earned that last inning and it’s a positive end to his day. Six innings without giving up a run is something to build on. Next time aim for seven of the same.

  • metsaholic

    Yes, and sometimes the answer is Let’s Go Mets!

  • Joe

    How come even 10+ years ago, pitchers went 120+ pitches, but now, 100 seems to be the number they get pulled?

  • PessiMets

    lets get wheeler some runs please

  • Guest

    yea he manages a few golden corral franchises in the blue ridge mountains

  • QueensRussell

    Anthony, we’re winnin’ this one!

  • Andrew Herbst

    Let’s give Wheeler some runs.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    104 pitches through 6 is still too many. When a pitcher is so dominant he should be able to go at least 7.

  • Hodges14

    Reverse evolution. Apparently pitcher’s were better athletes in 1970 than 2014.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Not with 100+ pitches he doesnt. Not pitching for a team with no offense, with a loss today = a sweep and last place in the division.
    Terry has to pick his moments and statistically Wheeler defied the odds there.

  • QueensRussell

    Let’s will them to victory today!

  • Mets4ever

    Oh I thought redneck was a derogatory word about southern whites My bad bro

  • PessiMets

    mejia should be allowed to be the starter until at least the middle of june. if he’s pitching well then maybe you can keep montero down a bit longer

  • HarveyKsYou

    Terrible control by wheeler. But he got out of the jam and kept the score even, which is our only hope.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    They’re also paid about 1000x more

  • Rocky Thompson

    And will his third mistake be taking him out for a relief pitcher to start the 7th inning?

  • Guest

    nah you’re good. He is from california anyway.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    he should be able to throw well over 100 pitches. he’s a big strong kid.

  • HarveyKsYou

    TC can only do wrong.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    When the starting pitcher is done he’s done.

  • Fast Eddie

    Conserving arms of future stars or veterans making big bucks…. and because we have specialized relief pitchers for every damn situation. I don’t like it, but that’s the way it is these days.

  • Nmartz

    here comes the boom.

  • Joe

    great job wheeler.

    Meanwhile, Tom Koehler is about to pitch a 1 hit CG shutout

  • Arjun Vidudala

    wheelers trying to get strikeouts rather than outs, nibbling too much otherwise hes looking good

  • Metsfan27

    73 pitches in 6 2/3 innings of work. Wow we’re really working the count…

  • Hodges14

    For the most part, the specialized relief pitchers (except some closers) are specialized relievers because they weren’t good enough to be starters.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Yes. And picking Familia for that job will be his 4th.

  • That was a godawful at bat by David Wright! Wtf! He is swinging at garbage!

  • Russ

    First two innings he had 23. So in four innings since, he threw 81 pitches. Over 20 an inning.

  • BarnRat

    Mets starters should be evaluated by how many no decisions they can stockpile

  • Fast Eddie

    Its the 7th inning and this guy has only thrown 72 pitches. That’s the way its done IF you want to go deep into games…pretty impressive.

  • HarveyKsYou

    This guy is going to throw a shutout. And you know we’ll loose either way because the marlins always walk us off.

  • Metropolitan

    meanwhile Wheeler is over 100 in the 6th

  • Fast Eddie

    Very true…

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    yea he is probably pressing because he realizes how awful the rest of the offense is

  • Joe

    No. it’s our offense that is unimpressive

  • Selltheteam06

    Can David Wright play captain and spark some life into this team? Hold a damn closed door meeting and flip tables already.

  • Guest

    104 pitches through 6 innings? Nope…no shutout for Wheeler…

  • Because they have banned greenies.

  • Joe

    Grandy needs to steal here if we have any hope of getting a run

  • Metsfan27

    I think he meant Koehler

  • Andrew Herbst

    Grandy should steal here.

  • HarveyKsYou

    Koehler

  • Fast Eddie

    Tough to argue that point, so I won’t. 🙂

  • CJM

    They have 7 outs left. Don’t give one away trying to take a base.

  • DejaVu

    And that does what? And when Wright is among those underperforming, throwing tables means little.

  • Fast Eddie

    Warthen looks like he’s doing something illegal. Actually, our bullpen should be illegal…

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    That double play ball busted your theory.

  • Andrew Herbst

    True. It turned out to be a mute point anyway.

  • We need to call up Flores. Sigh CYCLE is such a dead red hitter. If he could hit a breaking ball we would have the lead right now.

  • billpulsipher

    sandy and his minions/lovers think because they have a few good starting young pitchers that means the team is going to be WS contenders for years lol…the Marlins young SP is just as good, if not better. good SP means nothing without an offense or bullpen to back it up anyway.

  • Joe

    When we hired Terry, was I the only one that thought he was going to be aggressive, loud, strict, and maybe even violent? He’s described as intense and old school.

    Terry’s actually a soft manager and tries to just keep everyone happy… wtf? He’s getting softer too. He was stricter the first year we had him…

  • Charley’s Twin

    From Metspolice:

    Ron Darling was on with Joe and Evan today

    “if I explain completely how it went I am throwing
    someone else under the bus. I think I have to own up to what I own up
    to and that is I was asked to put my likeness and name to something. I
    did not read what was going to be put out there.”

    “I didn’t do my due diligence to read what went out.”

  • CJM

    There were 2 outs.

  • Wow, very interesting.

  • Metsfan27

    Sandy’s gotta make some roster moves following today’s game, regardless of whether we win or not. Bring up Flores, DFA Quintanilla, Bring up deGrom, DFA/release Valverde.

  • Metropolitan

    Yeah we are going to be the San Francisco Giants right?

    Lets be them pitch pitch pitch and have no offense LOL

  • sperry

    Because being like that is what got him fired from his last job.

    Players today can’t handle a manager like that. They need to be babied, petted and told how great and wonderful they are like a bunch of spoiled children.

  • Guest

    Jose Fernandez is better than Harvey. Alvarez is better than Wheeler. Eovoldi is better than Montero.

  • Joe

    “weeks”

  • Mets4ever

    Agree. Bring up black as well

  • PessiMets

    we haven’t scored against them since the first inning of the first game and we haven’t even faced their best pitcher. plus they have an all-world corner outfielder and two very good young corner outfielders. plus they actually have a closer. they are already better than us

  • Waz0787

    Age

  • billpulsipher

    remember though sandy and TC were too good for Pagan, He had a horrible work ethic….a horrible work ethic that lead the giants to a WS title

  • Hodges14

    Super2

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Oh missed that. But you still gotta generate some offense, and stealing generates an opportunity.

  • billpulsipher

    he wont do anything…

  • PessiMets

    i thought he should have done that two nights ago

  • Hodges14

    3 innings from the bullpen. This should be interesting. The Mets starters have to go more than 6 innings if they want to win 90 games this year.

  • Metsfan27

    I don’t believe that. The front office’s mindset changes literally every day. Today they’ll say weeks, tomorrow they’ll say days.. I take everything they state with a grain of salt.

  • MikeyT

    could have figured that. I bet none of those players read it before agreeing to put their name on it

  • RyanF55

    I’m shocked that the Mets have yet to plate a run by the 7th inning. It’s so unlike them!

  • Charley’s Twin

    I figured as much, still quite surprised to hear him say so on the radio.

  • billpulsipher

    I posted here a few days ago saying the marlins are better than the Mets and got blasted by the sandy lovers…reality has set in because they are awfully quiet now….Marlins have better bullpen, better young starting pitching and David Wright cant carry Stantons jock

  • MikeyT

    he got run out of all his other jobs because the players despised him. I think now he is overcompensating the other direction

  • Joe

    Harvey included, i wouldn’t say better young starting pitching.

  • Mets4ever

    Nobody could’ve hit that last pitch

  • Hodges14

    The Mets should invest as much energy into fielding a winning team as they do on all the other nonsense. The fans will come back when they win… not before.

  • Metsfan27

    Disagree on Black. His ERA is very solid, but the entire reason we sent him down was to work on his control. His current (7.9 BB/9 ratio) in 11.1 innings is not good at all, so I’d be content if they kept him down there a little longer.

  • billpulsipher

    Ronnie wants a way out of town to go back to calling Nationals games..i dont blame him

  • jimmy705

    That’s definitely true, too. Because it’s going to be hard to believe them going into next year, either. They have to start living up to their own promises one of these days. I hope.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I’m glad that Familia is getting more appearances.

  • Joe

    and why is he a major league manager?-

  • Hodges14

    But we were 15-11 last week. Doesn’t that mean we win a trophy?

  • billpulsipher

    Fernandez is better than Harvey.

  • Joe

    we TRIED. we deserve a trophy /sarcasm

  • QueensRussell

    Familia lookin’ great!

  • Mets4ever

    He will be up before anyone else

  • Nmartz

    I dont think so.

  • QueensRussell

    Nice to know you are Stanton’s athletic supporter.

  • Joe

    The only pitcher better in the majors judging off last year is Kershaw.

  • Russ

    Stat correction: The mets scored a run in the 4th inning of the first game, but your statements intent is still valid.

  • billpulsipher

    Kershaw is better than both of them…but Harvey and Fernandez are very close…Harv coming off TJ, the edge clearly goes to Fernandez….

  • Metropolitan

    That should be a hit

  • Joe

    Pitchers are better coming off TJ? Stronger?

  • CJM

    Do not bunt with Recker. Come on Gary.

  • Hodges14

    Stanton is great… no doubt about it, but he already has 42 strikeouts and it’s May 7th. He’s going to strike out 200 times this year.

  • CJM

    TC the king of calling the sac-bunt. Terrible.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Why take the bat out of Recker’s hand?

  • Hodges14

    in Mets terms this is a rally.

  • Russ

    Not all, but I think most figure out to pitch better because they know they are limited and not invincible.

  • Manager of The Year

    Just came home from school. On one hand our pitching has been solid. On the other hand our offense has been horrendous.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    One run may decide the day here.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments
  • RyanF55

    Story of the majority of the season

  • Russ

    Harvey had a great year, but post TJ and the old cliche of past results do not guarantee future returns come into play.

  • Not4

    We haven’t exactly been hitting this guy today, so hard to kill Collins on this one.

    For instance, with our BP being down two pltchers (Rice and Torres), why not double switch EY in for CY or Grandy, so Familia can pitch two innings?

    Did not realize Torres was healthy enough to pitch today, so a little less of a problem.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Abreu straight up fooled on that pitch.

  • CJM

    Glad they decided to give the Marlins a free out just before Abreu’s at-bat.

  • Andrew Herbst

    That’s true.

  • bspo1

    A team of champions.

  • jb

    Satin to AAA, bring up Dykstra

  • QueensRussell

    Hail, Satin.

  • sperry

    Fastball right down broadway and the bat doesn’t leave his shoulder

    I can’t

  • Mets4ever

    Satin sucks. Living off is 1 decent year last yr. bring up Soup

  • Tommy Med

    Struck Him OUTTtt…….take pitches down the middle. (Sandy Method)

  • QueensRussell

    Who’s pitchin’ the 8th?

  • bspo1

    Two solid pinch hitting performances. Sandy should be real proud of the team he’s put out there.

  • CyYout

    So just curious, how would you have managed that inning?

  • Mets4ever

    Torres

  • CJM

    The sac-bunt worked perfectly there.

  • fedupfan13

    Strategy is to get to the bullpen…problem is these guys can’t hit the bullpen anyway

  • Selltheteam06

    SOUP

  • Marlins got themselves the makings of one of the greatest rotations in the majors for the next decade.

  • Metsfan27

    That too. Either Dykstra or Campbell to replace Satin.

  • #hashtag

    I had no idea the Marlins had so many Cy Young caliber pitchers.

  • Not4

    Ha! We can make any pitcher look good!

  • Metsfan27

    “Hunting strikes”

  • Joey D.

    Hi Guys,
    Sorry I haven’t been able to chat while listening to the game – had to put together a financial report. But have been listening!
    Miss me? LOL

  • Nmartz

    agreed.

  • TAPE_LGM_JETS

    overreaction or not- replace Satin with Soup, Q with Flores, Valverde with Thornton IMMEDIATELY. If Black keeps doing well as he’s done LATELY [considering he was walking the park before that] bring him up for Dice K. If Mejia over next couple starts cannot get out of the 5th inn move him to pen and call up Montero/DeGrom. WHICH STILL LEAVES US WITH A BIG ISSUE- WE NEED MAJOR LEAGUE HITTING.

  • AJF

    All kidding aside I could see the Marlins win another World series before the Mets

  • Nmartz

    Hi joe D 🙂

  • Anthony

    Me neither

  • Anthony

    We score yet

  • Joey D.

    Hi Nmartz,
    Again, great pitching and no hitting.

  • QueensRussell

    We got close, sort of.

  • Tommy Med

    nah

  • Waz0787

    We make every pitcher look like a cy young candidate. Imagine if this pathetic offense faced actual Cy Young

  • elsid1986

    Yep. And they actually have some guys that can hit too. But don’t worry. Sandy has a plan.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Joe D.,
    I thought that was limited to us and that was why we didn’t have to worry about not having too much hitting, since great pitching wins game.

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    Unbelievable stat that the Mets are 8-13 in this ballpark, 6 of those losses are walkoffs. Does anyone else think this is insane? This game has the making of another one too.

  • PessiMets

    Satin, Abreu, Valverde, Farnsworth, Quintanilla, Tejada = players that probably wouldn’t be on ANY other major league team except the Mets

  • Bail4Nails

    Sandy is watching this game on TV somewhere, and laughing his a** off. I wish I could do Absolutely Nothing everyday, and get paid that kind of Money.

  • Joey D.

    HI elsid,
    Yep, Sandy had a plan but only David Wright knows about it!

  • Manager of The Year

    After a terrible start Edgin has been good lately in AAA

  • Selltheteam06

    I think the Abreu pick up was a smart move

  • Anthony

    Amen im alwAys. Optimistic

  • KEITH

    This team needs a major shake up. Enough is enough. It’s not working. Sorry, someone has to take the fall. Everyone looks like Nolan Ryan against this poor excuse for an offense.

  • TAPE_LGM_JETS

    How is his velocity?

  • fedupfan13

    Sandys plan

  • elsid1986

    Yea. Some teams plan. Some teams actually DO. Marlins have a boat load of talent contributing everywhere already. But hey. Nimmo will be here in 2017

  • Not4

    Don’t think this is accurate at all. Many teams carry players like this in the BP and on the bench. If Satin does not start producing soon, he should be shipped down.

  • Fast Eddie

    Jose Abreu…oh wait, he’s not ours. He could have been though. DAMN.

  • Manager of The Year

    I have no idea the box scores don’t show those.

  • bostongregg

    “Ladies and gentlemen…….YOUR Long Island Ducks!”

  • Metsfan27

    It starts with the ownership… and unfortunately it doesn’t look like the Wilpons are going anywhere

  • elsid1986

    Get use to it. That will be the story of the season

  • MikeyT

    Scary to think what Jose Fernandez would do to this lineup. he might K 20+

  • Mets4ever

    I’m sure Captain Kirk could at least bat 180 and at least play the OF

  • PessiMets

    i’ll give u Abreu because he serves a purpose, but Satin is a 4A player at best

  • elsid1986

    Didn’t need him. Had a glut of first baseman. LOL

  • Selltheteam06

    Hes a good LH bat off the bench hes been hitting a lot of balls hard, hes a good 25th man.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Someone should tell Terry that closers are used in the 9th inning not the 8th.

  • Fast Eddie

    If the Mets were dating, they could never get laid…because they rarely make it past second base. My apologies to the kids out there..

  • Anthony

    Little bingo

  • TAPE_LGM_JETS

    Oh okay I thought you watched some of the games. Either way, something needs to happen.

  • elsid1986

    I have a feeling it will be 7 after today

  • Joey D.

    Hi elsid,
    Sandy’s plan centers around all that is financial and business and that is why he is here. Why else would his presence be required and at his salary with those three former general managers working under him?

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    And they can’t close!

  • Mets4ever

    He’s hitting 180. Results what counts not hitting the ball hard. He cost us Kirk and Andrew Brown. Not worth it

  • TPT

    I WOULD HATE TO BE A STARTING PITCHER ON THIS TEAM…you can pitch a 10 inning shutout AND YOU’D STILL NOT GET A W

  • Metsfan27

    Haha clever!

  • Selltheteam06

    if they somehow score here torres has to pitch the 9th too

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    no doubt about it

  • metsaholic

    Can I have your spot in the rotation?

  • Not4

    What’s funny is that if we don’t blow those two games this road trip, we are sitting at 18-14, tied for first and on the verge of a winning road trip.

    So, maybe lets not get too worked up after 32 games. If they continue to lose and not hit, or even if they win enough but by the time June rolls around and we’re still not hitting, then its time to do something.

  • Selltheteam06

    what were andrew brown and kirk batting up here this season? under 200

  • CyYout

    Only the Mets could make a quick game like this feel so long.

  • Anthony

    Steve cischek sells sea shells by the sea shore

  • RyanF55

    This offense…..is offensive! – see what I did there? But seriously, I can’t even watch this team hit anymore

  • Metropolitan

    Must score here or else a lose is almost a guarantee…

  • Anthony

    Say that ten times real fast

  • Manager of The Year

    As long as it’s not another dam 20 inning game

  • Mets4ever

    They would hit just as well. Could at least play defense. Brown is/ was our only right handed power threat. Abreu is washed up and only here cause of Hudgens

  • Nmartz

    Only a homer can save us.

  • AJF

    It kills me that the people that never ever hit a ball in there life is telling ball players how to hit

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    It seems like hard hit line drives just hang in the air in this ballpark

  • Selltheteam06

    Torres has to pitch the 9th

  • bspo1

    Hopeless. We all no Sandy won’t make any moves.

  • Manager of The Year

    Yesterday and today it seems that dam ball just wants to stay up

  • NYM86

    I hear he’s got a Jitterbug5

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    I assume Wright will come up small here…..

  • Selltheteam06

    I respectfully disagree

  • Metropolitan

    Corporal you are making 19 mil…do something!!!

  • Mets4ever

    I’m ok with that. You are entitled to your opinion.

  • RyanF55

    Bothers me as well.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    That was a ball.

  • Joey D.

    How’s the strike zone today – can’t tell on the radio.

  • Selltheteam06

    Captain arguing with strike 3 right over the plate

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    Lets start taking bets. Who is going to hit the walkoff Stanton, McGehee or Jones. I have Jones as the dark horse candidate.

  • Joey D.

    Which drought will end first – pitchers getting a hit or David getting a home run?

  • Not4

    Who happened to have an outstanding year last year for the big league club. That buys him some time to suck. But not too much more

  • Selltheteam06

    pitchers getting a hit

  • Manager of The Year

    I’m not blaming Wright there. That pitch was borderline and pretty much unhittable

  • Bail4Nails

    “Hey, what are these wooden sticks they keep making us bring to the plate?”

  • Joey D.

    Maybe pitcher gets a home run too!

  • QueensRussell

    Hey, at least DW plays good D!

  • Nmartz

    Pitchers.

  • Selltheteam06

    Maybe Sandy can see if Shawn Estes is available

  • HarveyKsYou

    And here comes the walk off loss. I wish one of the beat reporters would look up how many walk off loses we’ve since had 2009. I guarantee we’re in the top five, if not the leader.

  • Hodges14

    When you can’t hit and you can’t preserve a lead late in games you have a bad combination.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Didnt Torres have a back injury yesterday?

  • bostongregg

    Wright pitching a no-hitter.

  • Charley’s Twin

    don’t give him any ideas. he just might!

  • Anthony

    Im sensing some negativity

  • Waz0787

    Mets haven’t scored in last 23 innings. How exciting!!!!! They freaking jinxed my nets

  • Selltheteam06

    I think we led the league last year

  • HarveyKsYou

    Apparently you haven’t been watching the last five years.

  • Fast Eddie

    Torres’ arm hasn’t fallen off yet? It’s coming…

  • Charley’s Twin

    he’s got until Mother’s Day

  • Tom

    What the heck is TC doing keeping Torres in right now, he just gave up a hit.

  • KEITH

    The point is they did, and they will continue to. It’s the norm now. If the queen had ****s, she’ d be king. Have to shake it up b4 they are out of it.

  • HarveyKsYou

    Just go through the NL east.. That’s probably, at least, 5 per team..

  • Anthony

    Haha almost every game

  • Joey D.

    Why do I sense something’s coming?

  • QueensRussell

    DP time, boys!

  • HarveyKsYou

    Good.

  • QueensRussell

    If this guy McGiggy beat us again…

  • gosh wish we had a bullpen I like Torres but come on SANDY do something!!!!!!!!!

  • Selltheteam06

    well at least we wont lose in extras

  • Waz0787

    I feel bad for my brother in this blog who lost his wife because of the mets.

  • Fast Eddie

    Will the NY Mets or NY Rangers score first? We need runs…and goals later tonight.

  • QueensRussell

    I can’t deal with the Blueshirts not showing up again against the Penguinos!

  • Hodges14

    #theplan

  • Waz0787

    Root for the nets. Heat are our common enemy

  • Joey D.

    Don’t worry guys, Karl Farnsworth warming up if Torres can’t get out of this.

  • I don’t know if I am just getting more apathetic or if this is just the calm before I snap…

  • Metsfan27

    If Terry doesn’t take Torres out….

  • HarveyKsYou

    Games over.

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    zero chance we dont lose now

  • Metsfan27

    Why are we not bringing in Rice???

  • Anthony

    He is not

  • CJM

    Unavailable.

  • Joey D.

    Did anybody hear Gary Cohen actually giggling with the walk by Torres? Sounds like he’s not taking the team seriously any more.

  • Metsfan27

    Oh, my bad.

  • Mets4ever

    Have a god rest of the afternoon folks. I’ve sen this movie too many times to not know the ending

  • AJF

    Apathetic! Same here Boring bland team that has the GM telling hitter how to hit and balme the fans base for not spending

  • Matt Mosher

    Kudos to Sandy on this offense. Man….what a fantastic job.

  • Sigh, it’s only the first week of May.

  • Mets4ever

    Hurt

  • Hodges14

    He was busy working on the bullpen.

  • Charley’s Twin

    he probably posts here as TrevorDunn to blow off some steam

  • Matt Mosher

    Just stop watching. I did last week.

  • MikeyT

    How can he? Hes had to watch this nonsense up close for 5 years now

  • Joey D.

    Darn, these Marlins know when not to swing and pitches. The idea is not to take strikes but to take balls off the plate!

  • Nmartz

    It was pleasure to discuss this game with you guys. I’m gonna watch Pokemon again.

  • QueensRussell

    We have to regroup at Shea, or whatever they call that new ballpark near Shea.

  • bspo1

    Goodbye .500! We made it to May 7th guys. Be proud and make sure you show up to citi for the rest of the season or the Wilpons won’t sign or trade for anyone. Oh yeah also buy their merchandise because they can use every penny they can get.

  • but you are still here for the misery.

  • Hodges14

    You are witnessing a 90 win season.

  • Not4

    You’ve missed my point. It was not a what if, as much as noting that you are arguing that things have to be shaken up because of what happened in two games out of the last 4 that were played. If the Mets proceed to reel off 4 consecutive wins, then there will be less of an impetus to make a change. If they lose the next 4, then there will be a stronger one to do so.

    Now, truth in advertising, I did advocate for Collins to fired the other night when he inexplicably left Dice K in when he obviously did not have it. Guess that qualifies as a shake up. And I think Satin has pretty much worn out his good will from last year and should be headed to AAA soon if he doesn’t start producing.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    You may want to pass that on to Hudgens–pretty revolutionary stuff!

  • HarveyKsYou

    They can get productive outs, if that was the mets it would’ve been a double play.

  • AJF

    Only if you are a true New yorker

  • I wish Tejada would try and catch them all.

  • Matt Mosher

    If that’s true, that is just pathetic. I hope you’re joking.

  • Fast Eddie

    Here it comes….1-0 loss like I predicted an hour ago.

  • Joey D.

    HI Mikey,
    Remember he also covers the Islanders so this is twelve months a year for him.

  • LIMetfan22

    I’ve been expecting the walk off since the 5th inning. This team has no balls and no superstar. Should have traded Wright when we had the chance. Could have rebuilt much faster.

  • Nmartz

    It was the same way as we started in last month. Lets hope it turn arround.

  • HarveyKsYou

    Not something to he proud about. But we know we’re loosing now.

  • Selltheteam06

    You have to walk ozuna they should have intentionally walked with torres if they plan on the IBB. Often the RP gets thrown off when they come in, warm up, IBB, and then have to throw strikes.

  • Matt Mosher

    No….finding a shortstop.

  • HarveyKsYou

    With our luck the prospects would be busts like d’Arnaud has been so far.

  • CJM

    They don’t have to walk Ozuna.

  • Just listened to a soundclip of Ronnie talking about #TrueNewYorkes with Joe and Evan. Basically said he allowed use of his likeness and never checked into what they are using it for. He was very diplomatic to not get people in trouble but he sounded disappointed about the whole thing.

  • Selltheteam06

    Forget a 90 win season, maybe we will have a 90 email season.

  • Nmartz

    You think Farnsworth would make it again ?

  • MikeyT

    i think he also does radio for seton hall basketball. he knows how to pick losers for sure

  • LIMetfan22

    Yeah. And meanwhile all the Marlins prospects are doing great. Classic Mets

  • Joey D.

    Hi Pedros,
    I would be he only believes only 13 inches of the 17 inch plate counts anyway.

  • KEITH

    Is there any new way to lose. I think they lost every way possible. Wild pitch. Walk in a runner. Homerun. Line drives. Etc… Man, there has to be another way.

  • HarveyKsYou

    Typical. We got lucky with Harvey but he got hurt so it evened out anyways.

  • MikeyT

    In retrospect, Alderson would have been much better off dealing Wright and reyes as soon as he got here

  • Charley’s Twin

    that’s hilarious

  • HarveyKsYou

    Walk off balk DJ Carassco.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Maybe a nice walk-off balk?

  • Anthony

    I got a good feeling

  • Metropolitan

    well Farnsworth is in ..this should be quick

  • Selltheteam06

    they also dont have to win

  • Metsfan27

    Don’t forget hit by pitch, which happened earlier in the season

  • Nmartz

    We’re gonna have a 90 season.. yes.. a 90 defeats season.

  • KEITH

    Sac fly. Hit batter. Think I covered it.

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    wild pitch I’m calling it

  • CJM

    Don’t see what that has to do with my comment.

  • muskytoes

    Mets have no clue how to play the OF here

  • Metsfan27

    Marlins win on a sac fly..

  • Selltheteam06

    youre right they dont have to walk him i personally think it would be much smarter to though

  • Joey D.

    They can just not show up and lose the game by a forfeit score of 9-0.

  • Metsfan27

    OMG

  • HarveyKsYou

    Terrible throw.

  • Metropolitan

    not a great throw… at all..

  • Nmartz

    Anyone saw my prediction ?

  • Metropolitan

    like I said

  • Charley’s Twin

    I’ve tried to block it out of memory but it has happened before.

  • Metropolitan

    This team has quit….FIRE COLLINS!!!!

  • Joey D.

    Now what was that all the sabers told us about great pitching wins ball games – never looking at the other side of the coin – that bad hitting loses ball games?

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    The catch was worse.

  • beers22

    AHHHHHHHHHHH. Not a great throw, but you gotta catch the ball to have a chance.

  • Selltheteam06

    Recker has to make that play

  • MAS0031

    Good series boys, 15-11 seems like a lifetime ago!

  • Anthony

    They really tried hard

  • Hodges14

    Great pitching does win games. Just ask the Marlins.

  • Waz0787

    No lol. I am curious. Watching mets game effected his mood. Said something bad now she is not talking to him

  • Scottydoeskno328

    I can’t help but laugh because we all knew we were losing in walk off fashion.

  • CJM

    Man I thought they got out of it, being that the ball was hit to Lagares. Not used to him not making perfect throws. That being said, Recker needs to make that play, too.

  • PessiMets

    Last place! And another protected pick!

  • Charley’s Twin

    to quote judge smails, this team su-su-su-su-su-sucks

  • HarveyKsYou

    It just shows how we’re cursed.

  • Tank

    by the Marlins?

  • Hodges14

    From here on out that will be referred to as the high water mark for 2014.

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    7 of their 14 losses in Miami have been walkoffs. How is that possible?

  • Selltheteam06

    TDA makes that tag

  • Fast Eddie

    Weak throw – way off line, weak tag attempt – never even got it in his glove. Anyway you slice it, another bitter defeat. Hopefully we don’t tailspin now…

  • Joey D.

    Hi Hodges,
    Bad hitting does lose games. Just ask the Mets.

  • Metsfan27

    I was contemplating whether I should go to the Mets-Yankees series next week, but now I’m just humiliated. Unless Sandy and Co. do something to fix this, I’m not stepping foot inside Citi Field.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Hahahaha. Now’s the time for the Mets fan to really spread his or her wings and FLY!

  • KEITH

    Damn. Knew I forgot something.

  • CJM

    By “sabers” do you mean people who use sabermetrics to inform their decisions? If so, I don’t think you heard any of them ever say pitching wins ballgames.

  • Nmartz

    I hate say it.. I’m the real metstradamus.

  • beers22

    That has absolutely nothing to do with sabermetrics.

  • bspo1

    Sandy can’t wait to draft another light hitting high school ss

  • Waz0787

    But guy’s we’re only two games out of first place. You gotta believe

  • QueensRussell

    Joey, great pitching is supposed to extend to the bullpen. Remember guys like Lockwood, McGraw, McDowell, Jesse O?

  • MAS0031

    Terry will say we battled hard today in the post game.

  • Captain America

    Unfortunately Lagares has as many assists as our pitchers have hits this season.

  • elsid1986

    Think Tom Petty…….”FreeFalling”

  • Hodges14

    Possibly. The Marlins definitely seem to have done a better/quicker job of rebuilding.

  • Jgreen

    At least Mets lose with fashion

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    By “sabers,” do you mean people with eyeballs?

  • billpulsipher

    last place. gutless cowards. boycott

  • TPT

    WHO CARES WHY PROLONG THE AGONY? BECAUSE WE COULD PLAy 20 INNINGS AND WE WOULDNT SCORE A RUN omg how pathetic

  • KEITH

    Lol. Would have saved us poor fans 3 hrs of garbage.

  • Big Daddy D

    It’s so f’n funny how so many people thought this team was going to be successful after a decent week of games not so long from now… SO STUPID!!

  • CJM

    Why walk him intentionally and leave no room for error with the next batter? IMO, pitching to him carefully, and trying for a double play ball or strikeout was the way to go.

  • tacknaf

    Fire Collins, cut Satin, cut Q, bring up Flores and Campbell, trade whoever for some kind of bat. I am sick of this garbage. I really don’t care if we have to trade Thor at this point to get a good bat, do it, I am sick of watching this team.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Hey hey hey! You blame that entirely on Recker! Don’t you blame anything on Lagares! Not ever!

  • bspo1

    Sandy and Terry will let this roster ride out as long as they can.

  • mr1313

    They take after their manager. TC needs to f’ing go and Sandy needs to get off his ass and shake things up. We all know the definition of insanity and Sandy has to know his philosophy is just not working at this point.

  • Fast Eddie

    I’m tired of this…………………………..we need players!

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    I’m pretty sure we’re cursed

  • QueensRussell

    Okay, cue the NEGATIVITY!

  • HarveyKsYou

    Well Citi field will be 80 percent Yankees fans for the subway series barring us winning the five games that lead up to it.

  • CJM

    Xanax can help, friend.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah! You should! Go stand in the parking lot of Citi Field with a sign. We’ll all meet you there.

  • Hodges14

    The Marlins rebuild is ahead of the Mets. They are a legit young team playing well. The Mets are made up of castoffs and retreads and they are sinking fast.

  • metsaholic

    Will you be boycotting this site? Please.

  • Metsfan27

    Something needs to give, and this is the ideal time to shuffle the roster.

  • billpulsipher

    the Yankees are going to bury them next week…maybe thats what ol sandy and TC need is to get their a*ses kicked in the subway series….

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    “Trade whoever for some kind of bat.”

    Yeah, you’re definitely a Mets fan.

  • TPT

    P A T H E T I C that about sums it up

  • Hodges14

    Winning doesn’t matter. It’s all about reducing expenses.

  • MAS0031

    Can we please bring up Flores already, he’s been smoking the ball the last week or so.

  • Tommy Med

    Can the Mets F’in beam one of these clowns next game?? acting like they just won the world series. F the Marlins!!!!!

  • billpulsipher

    hows your boy sandy doing with his last place scrap heap ragtag group of misfits?

  • BCleveland3381

    Is this just a bad road trip or the start of a train wreck?

  • Charley’s Twin

    meanwhile we wasted David Wright’s prime, and our window is somehow closing before it’s even open.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Like your boy Hanrahan?

  • Tank

    Will he cost a draft pick? If not he’s on the radar

  • mr1313

    I don’t care how Flores plays at SS he just needs to come up we all know his bat is better that Tejada’s and Q’s. His defense should be decent anyhow not like we are replacing a GG SS.

  • Tommy Med

    just the beginning

  • Charley’s Twin

    you can’t possibly be this obnoxious in real life. I have faith.

  • RyanF55

    Honestly, I’m just sickened by this team. Top to bottom, front to back, side to side it just leaves you with a horrible taste in your mouth. How we can go into Miami with Niese, Colon and Wheeler and get swept and embarrased. It’s just a joke…it’s time for another voice leading these guys. Tejada, Quintinilla, Satin, Farnsworth, Dice-K, Valverde….I’m tired of trying to convince myself acquiring these players is justified in any way. We can’t compete with those guys on the roster…there’s just no way.

  • billpulsipher

    start of 90-95 loss season and more excuses from TC and Sandy

  • beers22

    We’ll see this weekend

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Pretty sure he’s identified middle school power relievers and Scandinavian retirees as the next great overlooked sources of talent.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Eh. Pretty close.

    But if I devoted my time to whining and complaining, you’d be upvoting me into the next universe.

  • Guest

    boycott.

  • Nmartz

    F*ck my life..

  • Captain America

    But Lagares was offered a 10 year deal by the MMO fans already.

  • Joey D.

    Hi CJM,
    The ones who were telling me not to concentrate on improving because of our pitching were giving me stats comparing us to the Pirates.
    Didn’t mean all sabers and I do owe the saber community an honest apology for that blanket statement but it’s the frustration of this organization – and the praise of Sandy Alderson for knowing what he is doing with his saber background.

  • tacknaf

    go F yourself terry collins. sick of your trolling.

  • QueensRussell

    Backman, Backman, Backman!!!

  • Metropolitan

    Oh wait I thought the Mets were suppose to be good on the road..you know “Road Warriors”..oh that is right we finally shown some life at home so now they have to suck on the road…only the Mets..

  • TPT

    Ryan thank you thats exactly how i feel …how pathetic

  • billpulsipher

    remember mets fans. you better show up to support your last place group of losers or you ARE NOT REAL NY FANS.
    sincerely
    fred and jeff

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments
  • Metropolitan

    Nope try more like the other stiff Geren ,but at this point I rather roll with him as manager than Collins

  • billpulsipher

    Dave Hudgens for manager…sandys best friend

  • NewYorkMammoths
  • Hodges14

    Funny how the Marlins play in park every bit has big as Citi Field but they seem to win at home.

  • Tank

    Yup a we’re still stuck in neutral

  • tacknaf

    hey dummy at least I proposed a plan, your plan is trust sandy and terry, do nothing, which hasn’t worked, you should go write for Metsblog, apologist idiot

  • mr1313

    The Mets have no balls that would never happen.

  • Chris H

    They have to do something with shortstop. You can’t have a shortstop that is ofer after 3 at bats then pitch hit for at the end every game. Sandy please do something now

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    “Trade whoever for some kind of bat.”

    Yes. Certainly a plan of sorts.

  • MikeyT

    RF, SS, C, and P are total black holes. 4 Automatic outs. This lineup embarrassingly bad

  • Selltheteam06

    if you dont show up to all 3 home games this weekend with banners praising this losing team youre a front runner

  • Joanie Yan

    I got home in time to see the last play of the game. Looks like I didn’t miss much.

  • Rocky Thompson

    Just a theory here, BUT 1) tomorrow is an off day for the Mets; 2) Wilfredo Tovar who is hitting .350 did not play at AA Binghamton today (is he being promoted to AAA???); 3) Wilmer Flores is hot; and 4) Mets offense needs a spark. Hmmm. What move could the Mets make???

  • Metropolitan

    Fred better wake up we ain’t Cubs fans…

  • Hodges14

    Where is Flores going to play? There have been articles all week long saying the Mets are back to NOT viewing Flores as a SS.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Right. And the FO isn’t worried about the lack of offense. Wright and Granderson will come around. Come around to what? It has been a few years since DW was a truly dangerous hitter. Granderson? Who knows??

  • TPT

    DOES ANYONE SEE A VALDERDE OR A FARNSWORTH OR TEJADA OR A DICE K OR A 60 MILLION DOLLAR GRANDY TYPE PLAYER ON THE MARLINS?? nope but i do see a whole bunch of super2 players on their roster and its paying off while we save for the year 2018….wow this is B.S.

  • Tommy Med

    THat starts from the Manager. #FireTerry

  • Selltheteam06

    sets up the force to home since ozuna is really hard to double up and our inf d sucks

  • tacknaf

    you conveniently ignored my specific suggestions to cherry pick the one vague thing, which I qualified by saying I’d even trade Thor for a quality bat. yeah you’re not trolling whatsoever. what is YOUR plan, dum dum?

  • Hodges14

    Only if they fit into the economic plan of playing for free (or damn close to it).

  • KennyandtheMets

    As much as I dislike Terry’s managing, I don’t think any manager could win with this roster. So many question marks in the bullpen and the everyday line up.

  • mr1313

    Apathy is the worst thing that can happen to any fan base from a pro teams standpoint and the Mets could be in big trouble real soon.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    My plan is to trade some guy for another guy. That way we get a new guy instead of that guy we have now.

  • depressed Mets fan

    Guys stop allowing this team to upset you so much. All the emotion we have put towards this team and we get nothing for it. Sandy doesn’t care, Bud Selig doesn’t care, and the Wilpons don’t care. Worst of all the Wilpons have shown they have no respect for us fans. Stop taking this team do serious, it’s a very freeing experience when you realize there is nothing you can do about the Wilpons destroying something you love. Let go and move on, it’s never going to change unless the Wilpons sell and they’re not going anywhere.

  • Matt Mosher

    I am totally done with this front office.

    They have failed miserably for four years. The owners suck, no doubt, but this front office has NO IDEA what it’s doing.

    Sandy and Company MUST GO. Their philosophy is a joke.

  • bostongregg

    Two straight shutouts have a way of changing opinions quickly.

  • tacknaf

    you have no plan. you’re a troll

  • depressed Mets fan

    Yet they some how view Tejada as one lol.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Yeah, but they’re written by sports hacks, with no legitimate sourcing.

    I feel the org is pretty dumb at times, but I hope they’re not so dumb to play Flores in a position where they have no intention of using him.

  • CJM

    They have only been with the Mets for 3.5 years.

  • mr1313

    This team gives Backman a tryout the remainder of the season at the very least this team will be interesting even with the same talent and I think he would get more out of this team than most people think.

  • Selltheteam06

    Flores has been playing SS all week

  • BCleveland3381

    Exactly. He’s STILL playing short in AAA. If the Mets had no intention of playing him there, they would have moved him off of short by now.

  • TAPE_LGM_JETS

    Articles? wasn’t just everyone relating Puma’s article? If they do not view him as a possibility at SS, why waste anymore time? He played there yesterday and the day before…

  • TPT

    ok depressed Met fan we’ll try not to be depressed

  • KEITH

    I never say anything about the owners, but they cannot expect anyone to show up to watch this junk. Sorry. Fire Collins and his staff. Valtubby, Farnsworth. Gone. Bring up Montero and Degrom. Offense. Where do you start?

  • Chris H

    Bring up Flores give him a few weeks at short if it doesn’t work out then wait till after the draft and sign Drew or trade for a shortstop. Enough of this garbage already

  • KennyandtheMets

    I have decided not to watch any game until after I know the final score. The loss we suffered in the first game of this series kept me up for hours with a sick feeling in my stomach.

  • bostongregg

    Post game weather forecast up here in Boston: “Vodka with a chance of ice cubes”…..again. This team is not having a great impact on my liver.

  • Charley’s Twin

    “no legitimate sourcing”=Jeff Wilpon talking out of turn. Age old problem with this org.

  • KennyandtheMets

    And we didn’t even face their best pitcher in the series.

  • Metropolitan

    Look at the standings folks I predicted this in the Nl east prediction thread a while back Phillies Met battling for last in the NL east..believe it

  • Matt Mosher

    Sandy is going to start feeling the heat from the fan base now — as he should. Honeymoons over.

  • Selltheteam06

    yeah omar will be declared our new starting SS

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Now!? He’ll start feeling it now!? I should hope so.

  • Rocky Thompson

    My guess is that the articles were saying that the Mets do not view Flores as the long term solution at SS. But the Mets have continued to play Flores at SS almost every day (he started 1 game at 2B and 1 game at 1B), and even with his defensive liitations view him as an upgrade over Tejada and Quintanilla. Flores will get his shot and IMO it could happen this week.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah, well, uh…you smell!

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Off day tomorrow. Mets failed to do anything to improve the team before heading to Colorado, and look what happened. Valverde, Satin and Tejada should be demoted. And if Rice cant play Friday, he should go on the DL. Bring up Socolovich or Carreno, Campbell and Flores.

  • Hodges14

    It’s the Mets. Logic doesn’t apply.

  • KennyandtheMets

    After the draft, another team will jump on Drew immediately. Teams that didn’t want to give up a 1st round pick will go hard after him. He isn’t coming here unless we forgo the 3rd round pick and sign him soon.

  • Chris H

    I’m starting to get sick of Collins optimistic post game comments.

  • Selltheteam06

    “i just looked and were like 3 for 46 from our 1-9 hitters this series”-TC with the crazy realization

  • CJM

    The team was 15-11 heading to Colorado. It didn’t really look like they needed to do anything at that point.

  • Hodges14

    You’re still assuming they want to win.

  • Hodges14

    He’s still got a job. He’s probably the most surprised person employed in MLB.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Shoot, I knew there was a flaw in my reasoning.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I wonder if Cubs fans feel the same away about Theo Epstein as Mets fans do about Sandy Alderson.

  • Considering what I (and many others) were writing when we peaked last week while some were talking about 90 wins, and “at this pace”, yadda yadda yadda, it really is tough not to throw out an “I told you so” type comment but I will resist the urge and just say LGM. Where are all of those people now, that were talking about how one can win with defense and pitching alone? I hope they are okay.

  • Charley’s Twin

    He’s been a master of getting the job and keeping it.

    Start out “no nonsense,” mindlessly cater to all veterans to ensure they are on your side, and be willing to work for peanuts. Brilliant!

  • Hotstreak

    DW and Grandy should too. You know who else the ones who make remarks saying it’s SP and not the BP.

  • CJM

    Valverde is equally surprised.

  • mr1313

    TC is a joke a babbling idiot of a manager and the team has taken on his personality.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Did Sandy realize the ineptitude of this offense when he predicted 90 wins?

  • Captain America

    He was done with many fans of a certain type before day 1…

  • MikeyT

    Just my opinion. but my opinion is Sandy and the FO could care less about the Major league team. It is not their focus
    They were put in place by MLB to reel in the budget, put austerity measures in place and rebuild the farm
    the Major league club is an afterthought at best

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    A mediocre team, which the mets are (dont let Sandy fool you), constantly needs to improve the roster. The Mets had a good April, but it wasn’t great. And the players I wanted to demote on May 1st were as useless then as they are now.

  • Hotstreak

    Yes the fans do and they are sabotaging it with “Super Two in mind.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well, on the bright side, we might get a really good Mike Francesa rant soon. Haven’t had one yet I believe.

  • CJM

    It would be way too premature to throw out an I told you so, because teams slump and streak–it’s part of the game. The Mets are now 1 game under .500. They started the year 3 games under. If they suddenly take 2 from the Phils and 2 from the Yanks, you’ll see another shift in the general attitude here. BTW, I predicted the Mets would win the NL East and I still think they will.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I could care less about fans from the “second city”. I care about our NY Mess. Sandy has got to do something. He always says, “I have to watch these games too”. Ok, but does he feel the way we feel? I don’t think so.

  • Hodges14

    Obviously to the Mets, saving money 3 years from now is more important than winning now.

  • tacknaf

    go away idiot. you’re obsessed with me

  • Chris H

    There has to be some moves made before the Philly series

  • Glad I held off then.

  • CJM

    He never predicted 90 wins.

  • depressed Mets fan

    He’ll rant and rave but when he has Sandy on he tosses soft ball questions at him.

  • MikeyT

    At least the Cubs are getting top 3 picks and throwing money around like mad men in the international market.
    and at least Theo there for the long term. Sandy was a short term fix put in place by MLB to put the mets finances in check

  • CJM

    Bookmark this comment and if they’re 10 games out at the All-Star game come back and give that “I told you so” your all.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah, with absolutely nothing to show for it. More money and a richer farm and terrible seasons under Epstein every season. Just an interesting parallel.

    And I think “at least they’re getting top 3 picks and spending internationally” wouldn’t go over too well among Mets fans, who could say, “At least we’re getting top 10 picks.”

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Just a thought. Epstein is a guy probably 99 percent of Mets fans would want as GM and he’s done nothing for the Cubs with more money and a richer farm.

  • mad met

    What are u talking about .their offense had sucked all year on pace for over 2000 team strikeouts non of this is shocking

  • Charley’s Twin

    I think Alex68 should be invited back. JMO.

  • Agee’s Catch

    Not really. Sandy can continue to wait it out. Could he have predicted such a lethargic offense? I didn’t think we’d be this bad. I was wrong.

  • Agee’s Catch

    Where did he go?

  • depressed Mets fan

    And Theo was honest with Cubs fans, something that if lost on the Wilpons and Sandy. Theo said they’re completely tearing it down and rebuilding. He said the next couple years will be tough.

  • Charley’s Twin

    banned. In fairness I don’t know what he did.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Ok. So honesty is the difference. Hmmm. I assume the reaction among Mets fans would be somewhat unfavorable if Sandy said the same, but fair enough.

  • mr1313

    I didn’t realize he was banned I wonder for what?

  • CJM

    They were averaging 4.07 runs per game going into Colorado, which is actually average in the National League.

  • Agee’s Catch

    Speaking his mind? #CORE

  • BarnRat

    Terry might take a page from Bobby V and wear a disguise

  • I don’t know what happened but isn’t that what we all do?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’d say they’re slightly harder than softballs.

    I’d call them hard-boiled eggs.

  • mr1313

    Just as it was too premature to start feeling good about this team when they were 15-11 and were on pace to win 90 games and everyone was in love with this team even though they had red flags all over the place.

  • RyanF55

    I realized because there aren’t incoherent rants half in caps in the comment section now

  • MikeyT

    love to see satin demoted and give campbell a shot. Maybe even swap flores for Quintinilla.
    Cant keep this same incompetant lineup

  • Captain America

    I miss him. Not many of his “friends”.

  • Charley’s Twin

    If you want this team to “make a move,” root for a crash in the bond market. That will have the franchise being “moved” to a new owner.

  • TPT

    you deserve a lot of credit CJM at least you stay faithful and optimistic thats nice to see..thanks man

  • mr1313

    They have haven’t looked good all year yeah the pitching was good but the signs in the bullpen and lineup were always there believing in the team was Fool’s Gold in April.

  • CJM

    Well, the difference being that everyone feels happy after a win.

  • Charley’s Twin

    I much prefer him to some of the other spam artists on this place.

  • EzRider

    The mets lost their balls with Paul LoDuca.

  • DrDooby

    Don’t try coming with facts.
    Billy Beane wrote Moneyball and Alderson claimed the Mets WILL win 90 !

  • CJM

    Well, I’m not optimistic with the current construction of the team. But I think with just a couple moves, and bringing in the cavalry (Syndergaard, Montero, deGrom), their outlook will change drastically. If nothing is done to fix shortstop, and if Wright continues to show these signs of drastic decline, and Grandy doesn’t do anything, they will lose. But I still believe Wright and Grandy will bounce back and we won’t be watching Ruben at shortstop all year.

  • It’s almost funny how so many are saying now Sandy really needs to make a move. Seriously, people? Because the Mets are performing exactly as this roster was destined to perform, given the players we have, now is the time?

  • Selltheteam06

    he wasnt throwing softballs at sandy during the interview after the valdespin beaming

  • Charley’s Twin

    amazing how many people are surprised that this team continues to suck.

  • TPT

    he was a pain in the a** lol thats why but he rubbed ppl the wrong way because he said things ppl didnt want to hear but alot of it was correct

  • mad met

    Train wreck. Funny but ey has not started any of these games.. can we cut granderson

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    It has to do with turning a franchise around. The Cubs have more money and a stronger farm. Epstein is in his third year, Sandy in his fourth. Mets fans are ready to string him up by his toes for his failures. I’m wondering if Cubs fans have more patience despite a better situation.

  • Waz0787

    Don’t worry guys I am here. Just like the real world. When you speak the truth you’re hated by many.

  • mr1313

    I commend fans for their optimism but I’m a realist and when someone or thing keeps making you look like a fool for your belief in them when is enough enough. I will always root for this team but it’s just not a very good team at this point and changes need to be made.

  • Charley’s Twin

    a-ha…..!

  • Agee’s Catch

    you had to search for the grain of truth, but it was usually there

  • Waz0787

    David Wright is the 3B of all time. He is Captain America lol

  • Selltheteam06

    Maybe Sandy will move this team to Oakland

  • mad met

    Your the reason all losers get a trophy now

  • CJM

    To be fair, they are performing worse than expected. You’ve got Wright and Granderson performing well below their career lines. But I agree with the sentiment, especially regarding shortstop.

  • That’s it in a nut shell. Fans just need to deal with it. The FO knew exactly how this was going to roll out and are very thankful of the current results.

  • Waz0787

    I am not alex lol. I loved reading his. Comments but I will keep you guys entertained

  • mr1313

    Because of his negativity? Shouldn’t everyone have their right to rant on a message board. I get a laugh out of most of them and when I had enough of it all I just don’t visit the comment section.

  • I’m not saying this is your deal, but sometimes the hate is based on how people say it, not what they are saying.

  • DrDooby

    Yes. While it may be defensive suicide, Wilmer Flores has to be up and play pretty much every day – at SS or at 1b. DFA Quintanilla.

    Also, while he was ok yesterday, no more Papa Grande but bring up Black.

  • Waz0787

    7 more years ugh. One of the worst contract in Sports history for some. Overrated scrub

  • dacardvet35

    It’s like a GM running a retail store! Smh

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Hahahahahahaha. Worst contracts in sports…sports history? boy oh boy.

  • Tango01

    I feel so trapped being a met fan. We have owners who are broke, won’t admit it, runs this team like a small market team. They hired a gm who is use to running small market teams and has no urgency whatsoever. Sandy will not make a trade unless he thinks he is robbing the other team. I’m not saying to give up the farm but you need to give up talent to get talent. Sandy has not built a solid bullpen in 4 years, has not drafted, signed or traded for a legit power threat. Now I know why he doesn’t like to spend a lot of money on free agents because the ones he targets can’t play.
    Then you have Terry Collins. Terry reminds me of Pedro Cerrano from the movie Major League. Cerrano went from this crazy intimidating player to a calmer player and that didn’t work for him. Terry is now this calm, I will not rub my players the wrong way type of manager. That is fine and dandy but when you have not won in forever and continue losing 7 of 9 and players are not performing the way you expect them and pay them to play like then he needs to start stepping on some players throats. Enough with the nice guy, glass half full crap. I never wanted him as the manager here and I hope someone with balls is managing this team next year.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    cub fans know there is a reboot of the franchise going on.

    with sandy here, we take 1 step forward, 1 step back and march in place.

  • Maybe worse than you expected but they are still better than I expected. I, unfortunately, think they will slowly lower themselves to my original expectations. Believe me, I hope not and enjoyed this ride as much as anyone but realism has a way of winning out over unjustified optimism.

  • Waz0787

    My fault freaking disqus giving me problem in my phone. You get the idea 7 more years stuck with that bum. Seven freaking long. Years

  • mad met

    Hey guys did ey start in any of these loses ??? Just saying

  • Captain America

    Welcome back A68

  • Waz0787

    I can be harsh. That’s me in person

  • DrDooby

    Unlike Alderson, Epstein doesn’t have the little side task of also keeping finances of the team in order or getting them straight in the first place. Maybe to avoid losing a single casual fan buying a ticket, Alderson never mentioned the “R” word.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Oh, I know what you meant. I’m reacting to the idea that it’s even close to one of the worst contracts in sports history.

  • Waz0787

    This site is becoming like metsblog. Alex and leroy are blocked common man.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    The Cubs have been “rebooting” for about 100 years. They don’t even get the one forward step.

  • QueensRussell

    Please don’t confuse me with your mother.

  • Waz0787

    We should have traded him when we had a chance. 7more losing seasons. I can’t take it anymore

  • DrDooby

    Anthony Recker started today and the Mets still lost. Juan Lagares is the better player.

  • mr1313

    Nice avatar.

  • Captain America

    I saw LeRoy on last night. Did he have other aliases that were blocked?

  • BCleveland3381

    Meh. The guy had one opinion and would spam the hell out of it on every thread. It didn’t matter if the thread was about a game, minor leaguers, finances, a trade, it was nothing but …

    “Sandy sucks, you Sandy lovers worship your god no matter what. All you Awesome heads blah blah blah #CORE.” That’s adding nothing to conversation.

    I have no idea what happened to push MMO over the edge with him, but I can assure you, I won’t miss him. If you want to hate Sandy, the Wilpons, and how the Mets are run….fine! But add something to the conversation besides trolling.

  • Selltheteam06

    You’re right this means EY is clearly our best player

  • Waz0787

    Biggest troll there is. Another sandy lover over here

  • Charley’s Twin

    never mind he never actually left.

  • mad met

    Hey bud, juan should bat clean up.grandy to the bench he sucks .. ey to leadoff just my opinion

  • Waz0787

    Sorry. Hopefully Alex is back. We all miss him as a refugee from metsblog I felt welcomed reading his comments

  • mad met

    No it simply means we score runs genius

  • Waz0787

    Thanks bro.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Say what you will about EY, but the Mets have won one game since Lagares returned to the lineup. The Mets scored runs with EY in the lineup. I hope Collins puts him out there in this next series. Sit CY.

  • TPT

    OK LOOK there is a SILVER LINING HERE..its not that were losing its how were losing and very easily we could be in first place..its the way were losing heart breakers that tells us all SA included that its still early and a few moves can right the ship before it sinks,, were in almost every game as bad as our bullpen is and as bad as our offense has been ..lets see if SA truly gets it this time..get us a SS WHO CAN HIT (Flores?) GET RID OF THE DEAD WEIGHT IN THE BULLPEN AND BRING UP MONTERO AND DEGROM and MAYBE JUST MAYBE GET US A TRUE POWER HITTING 1ST BASEMAN …the seasons not lost in the first 31 games unless we truly have a brain dead GM so lets see …

  • Joanie Yan

    You really shouldn’t let them make you sick. In the long run, being bad is probably the best thing because that’s the only way we’ll get wholesale changes at all levels.

  • billpulsipher

    a 5th OF on any other team is the mets best player…scary stuff

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Nobody called him our best player.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Time to get EY back in the lineup. Put CY on the bench.

  • billpulsipher

    sandy sucks sounds about right to me

  • billpulsipher

    the silver lining is…number 1 draft pick is still an option..so they can draft a HS player and he should be ready in 2018, 2019…about the next time sandy and his minions will have fielded a competitive team

  • billpulsipher

    i didnt realize they are banning sandy haters..i might have to toe the line then

  • mad met

    Dude im a big ey fan i hate grandy and cy

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    No way they lose more games than the Astros, much as you might hope.

  • mad met

    He scores runs !!!! U win games with those runs things

  • BCleveland3381

    What are you talking about? I don’t even like Alderson.

  • mad met

    Or the windmill granderson

  • elsid1986

    You are being too optimistic,..Anyone Sandy drafts this year won’t be in NY until 2020.

  • Charley’s Twin

    I think you’re allowed to change your mind as years pass.

  • BCleveland3381

    The ONLY thing I said when Sandy was hired was the way were trying to win wasn’t working, our financial problems were starting to surface, and it was time to give him a chance to rebuild.

  • billpulsipher

    I miss EYs groundouts to 2nd base and strikeouts….they had the worst .BA in MLB before the great EY got benched too

  • mad met

    Sad thing is this really could have been a 90 win team this year. With the proper players …no grandy no colon could of had so many other ways to build this team now we are stuck with this pos windmill for 4 years

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah, and what was their record?

  • Anthony

    The politically correct crowd wins again.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    “Could have been”? Man, I’m all for being upset, but it’s May 7 and they’re a game under .500. They had a bad week. Every team will have them and it won’t be their only one. There are moves they can still make. Hopefully they make them.

  • BCleveland3381

    Oh Omar would have drafted Fernandez AND Wacha? Ok bud. Keep stalking me from 2011 and Ill probably have to get a restraining order. I have no idea who you are, ROFL

  • mad met

    No time was when we were 15-11 and winning with smoke and mirrors on pace for 2000 team k’s..cant wait to trade cy and sit grandy more often at least ike is gone. The ss and duda need to go as well

  • TPT

    weve played 31 games and its not a could of situation just yet …i think some changes are coming at least im hoping and if they dont ill scream bloody murder

  • elsid1986

    Theo Epstein has a winning track record.

  • mr1313

    Yup we were winning because of EY. We were winning because of our pitching at the time. We are so broken as a fan base.

  • BCleveland3381

    I love it when nobodies on the internet think they know exactly what a GM would have done years after they were canned. You don’t have a clue. Omar had some decent draft picks(and plenty of busts as well) and he had his window to win with this team. He didn’t and then his signings crippled this team. That’s why he’s not here. Sandy tried, and did a decent job retooling our farm system, at least from a pitching perspective. Now it’s probably time to get another guy that can take this team into contention.

    Get over Omar, your obsession with him is pathetic. You still crying over the first girl that dumped you too?

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    To paraphrase the late great Senator Dirkson, ” A bad week here, and a bad week there and pretty soon you have a bad decade.”

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    So what’s different from the past 5 years?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Not with the Cubs he don’t. And Sandy has done some winning as well.

  • BCleveland3381

    Get over Omar bro. It was 5 years ago. Find a new GM to have a crush on. He’s never coming back. IT’S OVER! It’s time for you to be a man, and move on with your life. Your entire existence seems to be wrapped around the Mets ex-GM. EXTREMELY pathetic and a little scary to be honest.

    Me, Im a Mets fan. I root for whatever and whoever can take this team to the next level. Sandy got his chance, and I supported him. I NEVER made claims that Sandy would be our savior or anything along those lines. NEVER. The nonsense you have wrapped in your head is BS. If you can’t deal with that, too bad. If the Mets fire Sandy and hire the next GM, he will have my support and I will agree 100% that Sandy should be canned.

    Once again, move on from Omar. Your fixation on something you think I said in 2011 and Omar Minaya is sad.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Can’t deny that they have not been scoring or winning since EY was put on the bench. It’s worth a shot I’d say and certainly couldn’t hurt.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Like rats from a sinking ship.

  • Anthony

    I went with my gut it rarely is wrong

  • Helloboy

    Mets are now 0-2 in last two recker starts

  • Helloboy

    8th inning was the mistake. Never should of had recker bunt. He is a guy that can give you 2 runs on one swing there. if he was able to get on, Tejada could have bunted and you get two guys in scoring position which would have changed the situation for Abreu. I just do not get what they did there.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I have been waiting for those “changes” for a long time Joanie. I will believe them when I see the results on the field.

  • BCleveland3381

    Latino GM? Why on earth would that matter at all? At least now I see the kind of man you are…a race baiter, and probably a flat out racist. Even more shameful. You should be ashamed of yourself.

  • Andrew Herbst

    True. But he did say that he hopes to win that many.

  • BCleveland3381

    And now it comes out. What does a Latino GM have to do with anything? This conversation is over. When you want to grow up and talk like an adult, lets do it. Until then, you can keep the childish stuff.

  • Captain America

    Who is an Omar hater?

  • Peter

    That is the most incrediblely dumbest thing I’ve heard.

  • Peter

    Omar depleted the system if upper level prospects with bad trades, free agent signings that did not pan out and hurt the Mets over the long term, we are just now out if his mess this year. The players he signed as IFA and drafts we are starting to see just now. The IFA are usually signed when they are 16 or 17 and could not help, he lacked depth in triple A and was horrible with the media. He had his moments but you found crazy as usual.

  • Peter

    I’ll try not to use the phone to much just for you dumbblock. Unfortunately it seems your ego is bigger than your brain!

  • Peter

    If you want to think that fine, but we can go with that just for you, tgat woukd just mean he did nothing to build it either, you build an organization from top to bottom, he made bad trades, yes the depleted system of prospects he used with many having success in the majors for other teams, and raising payroll, losing draft picks which brought in no prospects. That’s why there was no depth when players got injured. And forget about the horrible signings he made, , Castillo extension, bay, Perez and so on. He gave into tge pressure if win now unlike Alderson and rushed prospects like Mejia, is only hope for pitching that year with a 150 mill$ payroll. Great job! His first 2 years where fine but there has to be balance in the entire organization to achieve long term success, he was a mess with that. And he was horrible talking with media and public relations. Take care dumbblock, you know your brain is like a muscle, if you use it and exercise it gets stronger, you shoukd try it sometime. I’ll tell ya one thing, I’d rather have Gomez right now than Santana!

  • mad met

    U saber guys should try watching a game