MMO Game Recap: Mets 5, Phillies 4

ruben tejada walkoff

The Mets (17-19) beat the Phillies (17-19) by a score of 5-4 in 11 innings on Sunday afternoon at Citi Field, snapping a 5-game losing streak and salvaging the final game of their 3-game series with Philadelphia.

Jon Niese got the start for the Mets and pitched well, going 6 innings and striking out 6 Phillies, allowing 3 runs on 8 hits and a walk. Niese was better than the numbers indicated, but would be victimized by some bad luck and some bad defense (more on that in a bit).

The Mets jumped out to a lead in the 1st inning against Cole Hamels. Eric Young led off with a single, stole 2nd, and advanced to 3rd on a bad throw. After Daniel Murphy walked, David Wright singld to left to score EY and put runners on the corners with no outs. However, the Mets would fail to capitalize further on this opportunity. Chris Young struck out, Eric Campbell grounded out to the pitcher, and Juan Lagares whiffed to end the inning.

After the Mets let them off the hook in the bottom of the 1st, the Phillies quickly struck back in the top of the 2nd. Will Nieves and Cody Asche each hit 2-out doubles to tie it up at 1-1.

Niese struck out the side in the top of the 3rd, but the Mets wasted another chance to score in the bottom of the frame. Daniel Murphy doubled down the line in left, but Wright flew out and Chris Young struck out to get Hamels out of the inning.

jon niese

Niese ran into some tough luck in the top of the fourth. Ryan Howard hit a weak grounder to short, which would have been a routine play if the Mets had not had the shift on against the big lefty. Marlon Byrd followed him up with a double to the wall in center, bringing Dominic Brown to the plate with runners on 2nd and 3rd and none out. Brown hit an easy grounder to 1st, and Campbell, after a brief hesitation, decided to gun for the slow-footed Howard at the plate. The throw was well on time, but off line. Anthony Recker caught the ball, but was in bad position, and was unable to put the tag on an inexplicably evasive Ryan Howard, who scored to make it 2-1. Will Nieves hit a soft grounder to short to bring home Byrd and make it 3-1 Phillies, but Niese was able to escape the inning before things got truly out of hand.

The Mets “Mets-d” (is that a verb yet?) away another chance to score in the bottom of the 4th. Eric Campbell led off with a single (his first major league hit) and Lagares singled through the hole at short to put runners on 1st and 2nd with 0 outs. Anthony Recker got ahead on Hamels 3-0, and, with the green light, hit a deep fly ball to left field. However, the ball died just before it got to the wall, in typically agonizing fashion. After Ruben Tejada worked a walk, Jon Niese struck out and Eric Young grounded out to end the inning.

Niese worked in and out of trouble in the 6th to end his afternoon, and the Mets had a chance to get him off the hook in the bottom half. Soup (I may refer to Campbell as Soup once in awhile, so be on your toes) led the inning off with a walk, and with 2 outs, Ruben Tejada doubled into the gap to put runners at 2nd and third. Curtis Granderson pinch-hit for Niese and fulfilled his daily strikeout quota to end the inning.

Daisuke Matsuzaka came in to replace Niese in the top of the 7th and cruised through the inning with a Jimmy Rollins walk as the lone blemish. Eric Young led off the bottom of the 7th with a routine grounder to 3rd, but after Cody Asche took his time (for some reason) it turned into a bang-bang play at the bag with EY flying down the line. Young was called out, but Terry Collins immediately ran out of the dugout to challenge the call. After a lengthy review in which replays showed that Young appeared to be safe, the umps upheld the original call, presumably on the grounds that there was not sufficient evidence to reverse the ruling. The next hitter, Daniel Murphy, hit a ball into the gap in right field which would have probably scored EY, but alas, the Mets would once again come away without a run as Wright struck out and Young flied out to center.

After Matsuzaka worked another hitless inning in the top of the 8th, the Mets threatened again in the bottom of the inning when Recker singled and Tejada walked with 2 outs against Mario Hollands. Terry brought in Travis d’Arnaud (a day after pulling him in a huge spot), who took a called strike three down the middle to send it to the 9th with the Phillies up 3-1.

Jose Valverde came in for the top of the 9th and got 2 quick outs, but then allowed a walk to Jimmy Rollins and a triple to Chase Utley to give Philadelphia a huge insurance run.

daniel murphy eric young

The Mets would make that insurance run one of great significance by rallying in the bottom of the 9th. Eric Young led off against Antonio Bastardo with a double down the left-field line and Daniel Murphy killed the rally made it a 1-run game by hitting a bomb over the wall in right. After Wright struck out, Chris Young snapped an 0-for-18 skid by doubling off the wall in left. Roberto Hernandez (Fausto Carmona), who had started game 1 of the series, came in to face pinch-hitter Bobby Abreu, who lined one to the hole on the right side. A diving Utley put a glove on it, holding CY at 3rd, but was unable to reel it in, and Abreu reached with a single. The next hitter, Lagares, tied it up by hitting a grounder to short which was too slow for the Phillies to turn 2. With the winning run on 2nd, Recker struck out to send the game to extras.

Jeurys Familia worked a 1-2-3 inning in the top of the 10th, and the Mets almost won it in the bottom half. Eric Young hit a 2-out single against Jeff Manship and promptly swiped his 2nd bag of the ballgame. After Manship walked Murphy to get to Wright, Manship got the captain to roll one over to short to end the inning.

Familia got 2 quick outs in the top of the 11th, but was pulled after walking Rollins. Scott Rice came in and hit Utley before retiring Reid Brignac to send it to the bottom of the 11th.

Chris Young got the Mets’ turn at-bat started with a single and moved to 2nd on a pinch-hit sac-bunt by Zack Wheeler. Manship walked Lagares to get to Recker, who hit one towards the hole on the left side which seemed destined for the outfield. A diving Brignac pounced on the ball to keep CY from scoring, but was unable to make the play on Recker. With the bases loaded and 1 out, Ruben Tejada lined one into left field to send the Mets home with a win.

ruben tejada

The Mets really needed this win, and they got it, but they made it as hard on themselves as they possibly could. The Mets can’t afford to keep leaving so many guys on base. The Mets have been the victims of some bad luck and bad officiating lately, but their planning and execution have been poor as well. Hopefully the Mets can ride the emotional wave of this victory into the Bronx tomorrow night.

David Wright had an RBI today, but came up empty in some big spots. Still, he has been hitting the ball pretty well recently, and he made a great play in the field in extras to help out Familia, so overall, I’m not worried about our franchise player.

Chris Young struggled early in the game, but he redeemed himself with big hits in the 9th and in the 11th. He also ran into some tough luck in the middle innings when a rocket off of his bat ended up in Dominic Brown’s glove. It was good to see CY snap his skid today; let’s hope he can get some more big hits against the Yankees.

Ruben Tejada had a nice game, especially at the plate. I can’t believe I just wrote that. But anyway, Ruben hit a couple balls hard, had some long at-bats, and, of course, had the game-winner in the 11th. Maybe he felt the heat from Wilmer Flores

Niese has been great this season, and he was solid once again today, despite the fact that his line in the box score will only look decent in the papers tomorrow (if anybody still reads the papers instead of MMO). With the bullpen and offense both performing inconsistently, the Mets need their starting pitching to be as steady as possible.

Familia has looked solid lately, and it looks like getting regular work is working wonders for the hard-throwing righty. Hopefully Terry keeps getting him action, but avoids running him into the ground…

The Mets wasted opportunities all game long, but got the big hits when their backs were against the wall. A win is a win, and we were in desperate need of one, so in the end, the Mets made it a Happy Mother’s Day for all of us.

Up next: The Mets will head to Yankee Stadium to kick off the Subway Series tomorrow night. Bartolo Colon (2-5, 5.36 ERA) will face off against Hiroki Kuroda (2-3, 4.43 ERA). Gametime is 7:05 PM.

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  • EzRider

    Good win.
    Sandy Sucks.
    Fire TC.
    Wilpons need to sell.
    LGM.

  • willymayshayes

    so a player with ability (Flores) takes the position from Tejada and all of a sudden, Tejada wins the game?!?!

    Wow, COMPETITION, what a wonderful thing!

  • Benny

    HA!

    Basically everything that will be said in this thread, too funny.

  • Bartolololol

    Daniel Murphy is a STUD

  • willymayshayes

    Happy mothers day everyone!

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    “After Manship walked Murphy to get to Wright, Manship got the captain to roll one over to short to end the inning.”

    “David Wright had an RBI today, but came up empty in some big spots.

    REALLY they walked Murphy to get to WRIGHT?!?!

    Ive heard some Mets fans say Wright is a future HOF…Ive never seen a pitcher intentionally walk someone in order to get to a HOF.

    Just being Objective here….

    P.S. Nice in depth game recap I didnt see the game but after reading you get a real feel for what took place.

  • TheMets philosophy

    Now lets just win the next 4 games and were good

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I heard Flores and Germen are severely sick???

    1st Duda now Germen and Flores who just arrived….Can you say, “stay away from the food in the clubhouse”

    Eat at your own risk

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LoL.

  • 3rdStrike

    Would any team walk the 3rd place hitter to pitch to Tulo? How about Cabrera? Utley? Puig?

    Wright is a very very good player but he doesn’t scare anyone. I’ve had numerous fans from opposing teams tell me that they are not worried when he’s at the plate.

  • TheMets philosophy

    Blame the Duder

  • metsfan130

    Mets win. Nats and Marlins about to lose. Good day of baseball. And for tonight.. GO RANGERS!!!

  • Murphy happens to be one of the hottest hitters in the NL lately, nearly missing player of the week last week, and could win it this week. We’ll know tomorrow.

    Most managers would walk a guy this hot, so this had nothing to do with Wright and more to do with Murphy.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Walking Murphy there was absolutely the right move. The runner at 1B meant nothing and Murphy is far more likely to get the winning run in from 2B, especially against the RH pitcher.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Thats an excellent point….he’s just a solid ball player….nothing special.

    I thought that was a typo when I was reading it. I remember in 2011 when Collins had Duda batting 3rd and Wright batting cleanup they would walk Duda to get to Wright.

    Its not a good look its blatant disrespect and if he wants respect he has to start letting them pay for that. Something he hasnt done.

    I’ll be honest if I need a hit and I can choose the player I want up on this Mets team it isnt Wright. I’ll take Murphy hands down

  • KennyandtheMets

    Damn you Ruben! Now I will have to watch the next few games. Lol

  • Needed this one. Very Metsian that Rubie would be the hero

  • IndianaMet

    Let the kids play

  • Joey D.

    Hi Tommy,

    Feel great for Ruben. Also, this is another game which justifies why one just doesn’t trade away an established player like Daniel Murphy to make way for a prospect – at least not on a team with so many holes.

    Valverde once again a blemish on an otherwise good job by the bullpen.

    But you are so right to point out that this game was again one of so many wasted opportunities and that is going to hurt us as does the signing of those like Valverde almost putting the game out of reach in the ninth.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I hope Hudgens, Collins, Aderson, etc…. took note of the fact that the game winning hit was on a FIRST PITCH. They should bench Tejada for not working the count.

  • oh look, Leroy letting everyone know how little he knows about stuff yet again. Must be a day of the week

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LMAO…C’mon Joe D.

    I dont care if Torii Hunter or whoever is hitting in front of Miggy is batting .1000(avg) for the week. If Miggy is behind him and struggling hitting .100 you are NOT walking Hunter to get to Miggy.

    You are being a Wright fanboy on this one…im sorry. What happened to HARD LIQUOR?!?!

    Wright tore the Phillies up just yesterday nearly missed the cycle you dont walk Murph to get to the star player.

    Uh uh

  • KennyandtheMets

    Hi Joey,

    Familia looked great once again. I think he might be best suited to take over as closer.

    How many times did Met pitchers walk Rollins in front of Utley? That, to me, was the biggest difference between winning the series and almost getting swept. That and, of course, the multiple failures to get runners in from 3B with less than 2 outs.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Stick to and comment on the topic or dont respond to me at all. Im not playing your trolling game anymore.

    Find something more constructive to do with your time

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LoL….I stand by my original comment.

    You dont EVER walk an inferior player on the team to get to pitch to a “So called Future HOF”.

    NEVER!

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Im interested to know what the hell is getting everyone sick.

  • aww, now the troll demands, SIMPLY DEMANDS that people respond to him topically.
    Yeah, they walked Murph into the empty base. This creates a force at all 3 bases. Murphy has been very hot while Wright is just breaking out of a slump. OMG LOL you’ve been vindicated! David Wright isn’t good after all!
    Idiot.

    sorry, Joe D

  • LOL You know damn well I am not a fan boy. That’s insulting. I am the most despised person among all Mets bloggers – most of whom won’t have anything to do with me, and because I can be so critical.

    Even the Mets front office and execs dislike me because of how I hammer their boss Wilpon day in and day out.

    The only reason they haven’t stripped my access to the team and the affiliates is because of our readership and social media followers. 50,000 readers make them fear any reprisal or backlash.

    I’m just saying your argument has no steam regarding walking Murphy. ANY manager would have done the same thing.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Youre a Sandy Lover Wright Lover JoeD. lol

    But keep up the good work 😉

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Your mothers an idiot

  • FL Met Fan Rich

    At least we have company in the basement now!
    -Bertha

  • JRB74

    Absolutely–he also selfishly didn’t give the on-deck batter a chance to see what the pitcher was throwing.

  • I do love Wright – why shouldn’t I love the best position player this franchise ever developed? That hardly makes me a fan boy. You should love him too.

  • BCleveland3381

    Wright could be a HOFer. He’s definitely not there yet IMO. He’d probably need 5 more really good years and a ring to get a chance to make it. But it’s hard to tell how much voters will take into account guys like Wright who have ZERO steroid rumors surrounding them. Whether he’s a HOF or not, Im not sure I understand why so many fans like you take every opportunity to crush him.

  • JRB74

    There’s a savings to be had in serving expired food!

  • I’ve already broken Wright’s stats out against current HoF 3B for Leroy. He compares very favorably. Leroy wants to compare total ABs next.

  • Wright isn’t as fearsome as Miggy, well on his way to be one of the greatest hitters in history, ergo he sucks. I’m sorry man but your problem isn’t just ignorance of baseball. It goes far deeper

  • JRB74

    Travis is a master of taking called strike three’s right down the middle in clutch situations.

  • I like these graphics the Mets post now. Although I’m still perplexed at how they convinced Wilpon they needed to add a graphic designer.

  • this is actually above the level of discourse I expect from you so kudos. Happy Mother’s Day

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    At what point did I crush him here?

    I stated a FACT from the game….Do you think any team would EVER walk ANYONE on those Mets teams Piazza played with to get to pitch to him???

    And Piazza played with better players than Murphy.

    You think anyone would walk anyone on that loaded Mets team to pitch to Strawberry???

    No way….Dont get me wrong Wright is a good player but no team fears him as a hitter.

  • Bail4Nails

    As long as it’s not Valley Fever. That ruins Careers, apparently.

  • billpulsipher

    did they DFA Valverde yet?????????????????????????

  • Andrew Herbst

    What an awesome comeback! Proud of how we battled back. Great momentum going to Subway Series.

  • billpulsipher

    I would say Strawberry owns that claim. D Wright cant carry Straws jock. Alfonzo was better too. As was Kevin Mitchell. Jose Reyes as well

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    That my friend would be Daryl Strawberry, but if you mean better career in regards to sustained longevity.

    Yes that would be Wright.

    And I like him as a ballplayer I dont love him as a player the way I do Seaver, Koosman, Keith, Carter, Daryl, Piazza, Fonzie, Doc, Cone etc.

    Those guys above endeared themselves to me Wright hasnt. Very good ball player though

    (Watch me get killed for not loving him now, lol)

  • BCleveland3381

    How many times has someone been intentionally walked to get to Wright? Once in his career? Why? It might have been a guy that Murphy creams but has had good success against Wright. Who knows?

    Just taking one intentional walk and then claiming no one fears him as a hitter is an amateur take and you know it.

    But all you really want to do on here is just passive aggressively incite the rest of the fans on here anyway, so its all good, right?

  • thankfully, nothing in the philosophy precludes swinging at the first pitch

  • careful, Cleveland. Everyone’s opinion is equally valid and validly equal here.

  • QueensRussell

    Proper and balanced comment to a colossal JACKWAGON.

  • That might be a good idea for a post, but sorry, Wright is better than Straw Imho.

    And if you add in class, it’s a landslide.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Apparently not because Ike is in Pittsburgh and hitting

    .265/.378/.410/.787

    More like wearing a Mets jersey ruins career[Jason Bay says Hi]

  • BCleveland3381

    Straw was a better pure power hitter. But Wright is a better all around hitter and better fielder. Not to mention already has longevity on Straw.

  • Inferior player. Where would Mets be without him.

  • QueensRussell

    My goodness, for all the times Straw came up and did extraordinary, wonderful things, he also had many epic fails, many whiffs and pop outs, but he was part of the right teams at the right time and he will always be a tremendous Met.

    Always stunned how neglected DW is in his time as an accomplished third baseman.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    SMh….you guys man

    Everytime someone even mentions anything that isnt 100% positive about Wright you go into a tantrum like a 4yr old.

    Everybody hates Wright if they arent saying he is the greatest thing ever. If I listened to guys like you and didnt know any better Id think Wright was better than Stan Musial.

    He does no wrong has no flaws its always an excuse. News Flash! He isnt really Captain America its just a nickname.

    And pointing out a flaw in someones game is NOT HATE!

  • billpulsipher

    how many rings does Straw have? How many does Wright have? end of story

  • LOL everyone, I’m just saying that Wright’s not perfect! Why can’t you fanboys just admit he’s not perfect!

    You are such a dishonest assclown

  • LIKayLGM

    A righty pitcher facing left handed Murphy, and he was already up 3-1 or 3-2 and they threw one (it may have been two) intentional pitches, assuming they had already lost him, to make it a righty on righty situation.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Is Murphy NOT an inferior player to David Wright???

    Am I missing something?

    At what point did I say the Mets didnt need Murph.

    Reading Comprehension is a wonderful thing…. the world becomes more clearer when you master this skill.

  • BCleveland3381

    Here comes the passive aggressive BS again. Ok Leroy…….

  • BCleveland3381

    LOL. Worst argument ever award goes too ^^^^

  • apparently not. They walked Murph to get to Wright. Hasn’t that been your point, attentionb0y?

  • LIKayLGM

    The “rings’ argument – so you are a Yankees fan.

  • name changes, logic remains that same. Don’t you ever change, trevordunn

  • he’s already copped to being a Dodgers fan

  • jaygreen55

    It’s the new eating plan they instituted for home games. Apparently the chef misinterpreted the need for more runs

  • Captain America

    Heath Bell was cut….

    Sandman must be salivating….

  • MyasDaddy

    Hahahaha

  • mets4lyfe

    Not old enough

  • Much needed Mets win to say the least but it will mean little as they fight through what is no doubt their worst stretch of ball thus far this season until they can get back to .500.

    Love those Mets walkoff wins but I could go for more frequent less stressful wins. 🙂

    L.G.M.
    Lets Go Mets

  • Captain America

    Well said Joe D.

    The ultimate Mets Mom though raised a poor Mets daughter owner…

  • mets4lyfe

    Swinging at the 1st pitch (even if it’s a strike down the middle) is not conducive to working the count, which is why Mets hitters almost never swing at the 1st pitch.

    Didn’t you hear Alderson say that he puts heavy emphasis on PPPA? He’s even said that while in the booth back in 2012, I believe.

  • MyasDaddy

    We do have some pieces in the pen. Familia, Torres, Germen…bring back Edgin, or whoever young in the minors and let’s keep giving the kids a chance.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I’ll respond directly to you, JoeD. Here so everyone can see.

    I told you I would be more even keel, laid back and calm down a bit here in the comment section…BUT you have a few morons here calling me out of my name –A**Clown, Idiot, Jackwagon(whatever the hell that is).

    Now I dont mind the name calling it doesnt bother me AT ALL. I can give as well as I can take, but I know when I start dishing it back out theyll go running to you saying I started it and calling for me to be banned or whatever reason.

    So out of respect for you, Im giving you a heads up,fair warning. If they continue, unharassed….I’ll just start letting it rip and retaliate from my end.

    I can have the same convo with you regarding Wright and it not get to name calling but the Wright hoard gets all butt hurt over a differing opinion.

  • Captain America

    Pretty much. They have a few good games … But that’s about it.

  • mets4lyfe

    Familia, Torres, Germen, Dice-K (only in middle relief) and Rice (strictly as a LOOGY) are solid pieces going forward. But guys like Farnsworth and Valverde need to go so the Mets can make room for young relievers like Black and Thornton.

  • MyasDaddy

    Exactly.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Straw was a FEARED HITTER, but as you can see by todays game Wright is NOT. lol

    We’ll Agree to Disagree

  • mets4lyfe

    I didn’t include Edgin because he’s a LHP that doesn’t see much success against LHB. He’s not good enough to get righties out in a consistent basis either.

  • working the count isn’t the point. Looking for a pitch you can do damage with is. Working the count is a secondary benefit to selectivity

  • You know, I was thinking maybe I could be wrong, so I did some research.

    Both players finished Top 10 MVP voting four times. I like looking at that because it considers the era they played in.

    Each of them were selected to nine All Star teams.

    In his career Strawberry accumulated a 42.0 fWAR while Wright has already passed him with a 47.4 fWAR. He could finish his career with over 60 WAR which is HOF level.

    Wright also beats him in OPS .884 vs .862.

    Defensively it’s no contest. Strawberry was a liability in 14 of his 17 seasons.

    Breaking it down even more…

    RISP: Wright .294 – Straw .260

    Late & Close: Wright .284 – Straw .220

    High Leverage:

    Wright – .318/.388/.506

    Straw – .258/.357/.500

    In every single aspect of the game, Wright beats Strawberry.

    Only thing Strawberry has is the ring, which is more about the GM and the entire team he built, than the individual player.

  • mets4lyfe

    Wright’s the best position player in Mets history. It’s not even up for debate.

  • I am pretty sure that is a MLB thing not a Mets exclusive deal Joe D.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Passive aggressive lol

    How so? Im directly confronting you with my opinion. If I were being Passive aggressive I would be beating around the bush…I’m not…

    Stop being paranoid

  • mets4lyfe

    How do you explain Mets hitters constantly taking fastballs down the middle for strikes if they’re “looking for a pitch you can do damage with”? Are they looking for Adam Wainwright curve balls to swing at?

    A lot of the time you don’t get the pitch you’re looking for when you’re deep within the count. Instead, you get it during the first or second pitch, which are pitches the Mets typically lay off.

    I know Alderson’s principle says to swing at pitches in the K-zone that you can drive (I’m paraphrasing), but there’s more to it than that. The hitting philosophy was outlined a bit in an article at MLB.com a while back.

  • MyasDaddy

    Just want to see the kids. If we’re going to be bad, I would rather see the kids play. Enough with the rejects and old spare parts.

  • Ring argument is ridiculous when you compare individual player production.

    Ask him if Rafael Santana is a greater Mets shortstop over Jose Reyes because he has a ring.

  • I forgot to add one more thing…

    Boom.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Murphy should hit 3rd.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Nice research but Straws career ended after he left the Mets.

    So those compiled stats are skewed a bit and dont tell the whole story. Straw was playing less than 50games per season after 1991. After 91′ Straw continued to play sporadically in between getting high and that destroyed his % stats and compiled numbers.

    Which is why I say youre right when you say Wright IS the better player when it comes to the length of a career.

    Cocaine[and Crack] is a hell of a drug.

    If Straw was on his way to being a sure fire HOF before the Drug addiction. Wright isnt a surefire HOF not by a long shot.

    So No BOOM! 😉

    Nice research though lol

  • Hotstreak

    Joe D. any comments?

  • Joey D.

    Hi Kenny,

    Agree about Familia maybe being the best suited to take over that role.
    Was looking up at what our old (literally) friend LaTroy was doing.
    Do you know that he is actually pitching much much better in Denver than he is on the road? Baseball is so unpredictable rather than being looked at in terms of probabilities.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    But he is FAT ENOUGH and BLOWS! Games

    ~Bartolo Colon
    http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m77f1hRM2H1rwb1jgo1_500.jpg

  • I respect that you respect our guidelines regarding personal insults when we’re simply talking baseball.

    I would ask that you continue to tow the line as a personal favor to me.

    I have no idea why some find it so difficult to debate passionately the way we have for years without name calling.

    We have a lot of new readers who don’t know our rules and I do address them whenever I see them cross the line.

    So just ignore them until they figure it out or I take care of it myself.

  • Ahh so that’s it…

  • KennyandtheMets

    I still can’t believe that d’Arnaud and Wright took call strike 3s with RISP and the game on the line. Fastballs down the middle too.

  • Yep, but I should add that I agree with you. I like them as well and I have been collecting them in hopes to do some type of collage fan art with them.

  • KennyandtheMets

    If you want to win the game, you pitch to the guy you have a better chance to get out with the pitcher you have available. It doesn’t matter who is the better player over their careers. You manage to the situation at hand.

  • LIKayLGM

    Like I said, which you ignore – it wasn’t a straight up intentional walk, half way into the at bat, when clearly they were going to lose to Murphy they threw one intentional pitch.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Honestly Joe, I think it has to do with both of them. The fact that Murphy is hot is a big part of it, but there are a few #3 hitters in this league who would never have the guy before them get an intentional walk. Wright is a very good player, but teams don’t fear him as they do others. Certainly not as much as they used to fear him.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I said it from the day that he signed with Colorado, the Mets will regret not resigning Latroy.

  • KennyandtheMets

    You are such a good company man.

  • jason bay

    Utterly ridiculous taking those FB’s.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Lmao!

  • LIKayLGM

    You didn’t see today’s game, by your own admission, you are going by the stats that you read. Sometimes you have to watch a game to understand it fully, unless of course you’re a saber lover – hahahahahahah Good Times…….

  • KennyandtheMets

    It boggles my mind J. B.!!
    I love the fact that Tejada’s game winning hit came on the first pitch!!

  • just the truth. Sorry you hate the truth, bud.
    FWIW, I hate the “company”. I really also hate when people just puke forth what they’ve heard others say in the hope that it will gain them some internet appreciation rather than educating themselves

  • no one is going to come running to you, Joe. We’re all ostensibly adults. If you want to pretend that his opinion is legitimate and just a difference of perspective, that’s your call. This is your business after all and you need to keep everyone happy. No one else buys it, however.

  • Metstheory22

    Was at this game. Enjoyed the comeback but rather have an easier game next time.

  • BCleveland3381

    Meh, those numbers are more or less on par with his career numbers. He has a little higher avg and OBP with the Pirates, but his career slugging% is a bit higher. He’s still only hit 1 HR in 60 ABs there.

    Although I wouldn’t be surprised if he showed some improvement long term with the Pirates. Ike needs a change of scenery. He was just done with the Mets.

  • mr. belvedere

    totally agree JB…when there’s no one on base then by all means take pitches but when there’s RISP is time to hit the first hittable fastball you see…that’s where the thought of “a strikeout is the same as any other out” you need to put the ball in play when there’s ducks on the pond

  • mr. belvedere

    Hudgens really should be fired immediately, someone has to be held accountable for the lack of production

  • Mex_17

    They went to the Carlos Beltran school of hitting when the game is on the line.

  • Wolfmicky21

    I wouldn’t bring him in the get the pitcher out. Worth a shot (I guess) but time to move on.

  • mr. belvedere

    he’s been on fire the past week…if he keeps hitting like this and kids that have hit their entire minor league careers like TDA flounder, the more I want Hudgens to be fired immidiately

  • Wolfmicky21

    Anything good = MLB

  • MikeyT

    Ot/ took the pirates less than a month to overhaul Ike’s swing. Not do spread out, hands lower and the hit is 1000x smaller. And looks like he’s starting to hit

  • KennyandtheMets

    Get off your high horse “bud”. I don’t come on here for Internet appreciation. I come here to discuss, debate, vent, learn, etc…. I don’t think I am an expert, but I have been a student of the game for 43 years. If you follow my posts regularly, you will find that I DO speak the truth, as much as anyone on a blog can. I also express my opinions and respect people who have different ones, unless they disrespect me. I called you a company man because you almost always defend the “philosophy’ of the FO. It is no secret that the team’s offensive philosophy is to take a lot of pitches and work counts. Swinging at the first pitch, although it isn’t “strictly banned” is the opposite of the philosophy. The philosophy, FWIW, that makes this team a terrible offensive team. I know there is a lack of hitting talent, but they would be scoring more if they would “SWING THE DAMN BATS MORE” with RISP. The high and mighty philosophy makes them hesitant, except for Murphy. Murphy is the only guy on the team who consistently swings the bat with RISP. What a shock that he is the best hitter with RISP!!

  • Macdaddy

    I’ve been saying this for quite some time. Honestly, I just don’t know how Dave is still an MLB hitting coach. His self promotion and ego do not belong on an MLB club…period. I have read his proverbial ode to correct hitting…and found it as rudimentary as it can possibly get. Seriously, this guy runs a web site which obviously has his take on hitting called…”Hitting for Excellence”…honestly a bigger pile of crap can not be found.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Right. I like Beltran, so I wouldn’t say that. But I get your point.

  • chago

    Mets hitting philosophy is a failure,the Mets are 28th in batting average,25th in on-base percentage,30th in slugging,29th in weighted on-base percentage,29th in isolated slugging .

    Mets hitters are swinging at roughly 26% of pitches outside of the strike zone, good for fifth in the league and well below the league average of 29%.They’re only swinging at roughly 63% of pitches inside the strike zone, though,good for 24th in the league.So much for selective aggressiveness.

    Mets are seeing 48% of their pitches inside the strike zone.That’s the seventh highest percentage in baseball.It seems as though teams are attacking Mets hitters.When they are swinging at pitches in the zone,they’re only making contact 85.7% of the time probably has a lot to do with that.That strike zone contact rate is again towards the bottom of the league.

  • TurdFerguson

    Dude, why are you a mets fan? You never post anything positive about the team. Wouldn’t it be easier to be a Yankee fan?

  • apparently, you also come here to accuse anyone who doesn’t buy the “if it is critical of the Mets, it must be true” line of horsecrap of being “company men” or “shills” or “Sandy Lovers”.
    Try some integrity, brah

  • Joanie Yan

    Ironically the Mets were upset with Marlon Byrd last year because he was giving hitting advice to young players contrary to the Mets philosophy.

  • If you are only going to look at the major league level then your leaving out a large part of where they are trying to teach their methods.

  • ugh. You people actually DO exist?

  • jason bay

    100% Mr B,

    Makes you wonder if there is too much thinking going on in the batters box.

    As Tim McCarver used to say, “you think long, you think wrong.”

  • jason bay

    Agree Kenny,

    You get up there in those situations and you should be dying to jump on the very pitches we are consistently striking out LOOKING on.

    I just don’t get it.

  • chago

    Isn’t that the level that it counts the most? it is nice to win minor league championships and have winning minor league teams but if it doesn’t translate to winning at the major league level it’s like kissing your sister.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Which are working at the lower levels. The problem is it seems to be effective with guys who have known nothing else their professional baseball career. However, guys who played in the majors or spent time in other farm systems such as TdA, it seems only to confuse.

  • jason bay

    We need to bunch Lagares, Murph, Wright and Duda. If we can get someone else going to put 2nd I’m with you.

  • IndianaMet

    The hitting philosophy is the same that the Yankees used in the late 90s-early 2000s. Work a count deep, get a good pitch to hit and drive it or take a walk. They knocked out starters early because of a high pitch count and own lots of rings by implementing the same plan. The difference is they had hitters with talent that could battle, drive the baseball and hit in clutch situations. Jeter Oneil Boggs Williams Posada Strawberry Tino Knoblauch Justice on and on. Professional hitters up and down the lineup. We have nothing that compares to that and that’s why the hitting philosophy doesn’t work. It’s a great idea in theory. We don’t have the horses to pull the wagon so to speak. It would be like telling Gee and Neise to throw 100 mph and k everyone. Not possible.

    It’s Aldersons fault for letting Hudgens and TC to let this continue to after years of proof that it doesn’t work. You can’t lead the league in Ks and hope to work a count deep. Insanity.

    This team should be playing small ball every opportunity that it gets. Leadoff single? Bunt him over. Until Granderson CY Wright Duda can consistently drive the ball in a gap or out of the park, they need to play for one run at at time, every time.

    Rant over. LGM

  • Taskmaster4450

    Good place to put Grandy.

    Him and CY cant be back to back in the order.

  • oltl

    offense sucks. why have a batting coach? Oh my, pie in face while being interviewed is so original. Especially when we are celebrating a tie for last place. Typical mets. Signed your True New Yorker letter yet? Typical mets. They suck in everything they do.

  • Taskmaster4450

    The problem with your viewpoint is that the Mets often have SPs going into the later innings having only thrown 80 pitches. If the case was to take pitches, they would most likely see higher pitch counts on a regular basis. Sadly, the Mets are the ones with the high pitch counts (Mejia and Wheeler most notably) and the opposing pitchers are going late into the game with low counts.

  • oltl

    Oh yes. Their “methods”. Say no more. Their “methods”.

  • oltl

    Sure. Pirates have a hitting guru as their manager. Too bad Ike could not understand the met “method.” mets suck.

  • IndianaMet

    He looked great this weekend he’s a pro. Offense. Defense. Great guy in the clubhouse.

  • jason bay

    Yeah good point but those pitch counts were inflated by the above mentioned hitters fouling off a lot of pitches, not looking at FB after FB right down Broadway for strike 3.

    It was also an era where pitchers weren’t pounding the strike zone as they are now and as you said included deep lineups and numerous professional hitters, not mention some on both the Yankees and Red Sox who were both juiced and hitting in little league stadiums.

    So many differences it makes any comparison irrelevant.

  • oltl

    Held accountable? Shush. These are the mets. If coaches are held accountable next thing you know we will ask the owners to be held accountable. Not acceptable in met land.

  • Think about it. The Mets philosophy is part of their player development system. The players who will probably most likely be the ones to watch to see how they do will be the ones that are down in the farm still being developed these last few years.
    That is where we will most likely know how much influence be it good or bad they will have eventually as they reach the majors.

  • BronxMets

    they were also all on steroids………..WTF?

  • BronxMets

    ah yeh it works in a ball…….lol

  • and AA and AAA.

  • BronxMets

    its not that they have a hitting gugu its that its not an effed up organization…they say do it this way or get the F out.

  • IndianaMet

    The fastball right down the middle, taken, with 2 strikes makes me absolutely sick. I cannot understand it. It’s like they are looking for a breaking ball, which is an obvious no-no. It’s like they are scared. It’s like they have NO hitting philosophy. And it’s happening more and more. Very disheartening.

  • jason bay

    I suppose we could try him there but a lot of K’s In between our 4 productive hitters would hurt our chances.

    I wish we had our 2nd rounder this year

  • BronxMets

    not a bad though and put grandy in the two hole see if it gets him started put duda 4th wright 5th

  • take a breath.

    However, I do wish TC had told them “You guys have sucked this week, you win in a walk off, act like pros and walk off the field. A few high fives, smiles, etc but act like men. Don’t do this stupid little league jumping up and down crap”

  • xknight

    Fine, let them teach it in the minors but big league hitters should not be confined by a new rigid hitting formula. In a different sport think of taking a lefty shooting defenseman and forcing him to shoot righthanded because he plays the right point. It requires a player to relearn his techniques, impacts his performance in a negative manner. As for its success in the minors, I don’t know if these stats are available but it might be interesting to look at which minor league pitchers Met hitters are having success with. If they are guys with low ceilings, roster fillers, and career A,AA,AAA pitchers and not fast risers who will be in the Bigs in a year or two or three then is the concept a real success?

  • Joanie Yan

    Yeah – how I wish they would have signed him instead of Granderson. They could have used the surplus money for Drew and the bullpen. But once you question “the Philosophy” – you’re done here.

  • Taskmaster4450

    The Mets like to take fastball and swing at breaking pitches.

  • Bail4Nails

    True. But if they cared about Winning THIS year, wouldn’t it make sense to have a Regular Hitting Coach? If these guys haven’t been absorbing the Philosophy for 4 Years in the Minors, it seems to do more Harm than Good.
    Maybe give Hudgens a year off until his “prodigies” can prove his theory correct. Until then, the Mets need a Coach who can teach them A) How to protect the plate with 2 Strikes, and B) how to shorten your Swing, make Contact, and try to poke the ball to the Opposite Field. That’s how these particular Hitters will Succeed.

  • Destry

    Its actually a slightly different philosophy. Yes the Yankee hitters worked deep counts but they were taught to foul off tough pitches to keep the AB alive, and cut down their swing with 2 strikes. The Mets are taught to NOT SWING no matter what on borderline pitches, even if there are 2 strikes. They are also taught to swing for the fences if its a strike, even if there are 2 strikes. That’s the difference, and it has nothing to do with talent. Those Yankee lineups that you are talking about consisted of Scott Brosius, Jeter, Knoblauch, O’Neill, Tino, Bernie, Posada, but not exactly a HOF .330 40 HR bunch of guys. I cant even remember who played LF. The guy that played a 1/2 season for the Mets and was terrible.

  • Destry

    Yeah. Hes on pace for 11 HRs this season.

  • I can’t recall ever reading that the Mets don’t work on protecting the plate is that something you read? In any event the idea that Hudgens is the reason Granderson is struggling is one I don’t subscribe to.

  • Alwayzamazin

    forgive me if this was already rehashed, but anyone notice that the captain was not in the scrum that greeted tejada?

  • chago

    This is the fourth year of this hitting philosophy now if it hasn’t started to bare fruit yet imo it is a failure.It doesn’t take 4 years to teach a hitter(who at some point showed promise or they wouldn’t be here in the first place)to hit.How long till we can accurately gauge the effectiveness of this approach then four more years an even ten maybe?Because now you are talking in terms of a whole careers worth of hitting..Doesn’t that even sound a little strange to you.Even right now you’re talking about 4 years well over than half the average ML players career and they still haven’t gotten it right.Patience may be a virtue but at some point hoping for something to work out that obviously isn’t has to be considered some form of insanity at it’s most basic level.

  • mad met

    Or u can put grandy on the bench where he belongs

  • HarveyKsYou

    A win is a win to me.

  • Go look at the farm and get back to me.

  • jason bay

    What?

    Bad show if that’s true.

  • Alwayzamazin

    it is true

  • KennyandtheMets

    Integrity? If you weren’t a shill, then it wouldn’t bother you to be called one.

  • jason bay

    Their all thinking too much and it’s hurting them.

  • Destry

    It was a situational intentional BB. David was intentional walked in this series also, and last series if Im not mistaken.

  • Alwayzamazin
  • chago

    I did my homework with the ML team as witness above.If you have evidence to the contrary please post it I am open minded.If not then I imagine this conversation is over since I posted proof and you posted solely your opinion without any hard facts to support anything you assert.

  • mad met

    #1 i called this win before the game #2 ey and recker started
    #3 just saying we won again with them in the starting lineup

  • IndianaMet

    Not true. Just watched the video. He’s there, smiling and jumping around. Nice try.

  • Destry

    Doesn’t it just seem strange that a Met fan would have so much hatred for David Wright and bash him at every opportunity? That’s just odd to me.

  • Understood. You don’t want to look at player development.

  • Destry

    Ha. So if Wright started doing drugs, then we would just assume he would put up the same numbers from here on out if he hadn’t started using? Right?

  • Alwayzamazin

    i was watching now in slow mo and did catch a glimpse of him but totally on the periphery of the crowd-certainly no pat on the back. so nice try.

  • IndianaMet

    You are right. Back to basics for this group.

  • AlexHZ

    I agree, recker should start a bit more games until tda starts showing something. Ey….as long as lagares is starting everday, have no problem with him in the lineup

  • Bail4Nails

    Did you call Tejada with the Game-Winner? If so, I’d like you to pick some stocks for me, please.

  • Destry

    So is Scott Brosius better than Wright? That’s just silly.

  • Alwayzamazin

    I’m sure the group would love to go back to basics but the philosophy is killing them

  • IndianaMet

    I’m sure Wright was pissed they won and begrudgingly left the dugout to celebrate.

  • Flatbush0460

    Mountain out of a molehill. How many guys get stepped on, injured in those things. I’m fine with it. Only in New York

  • Anthony Delgado *17 WS Champs*

    Um guys. Davis is batting 288

  • Alwayzamazin

    can’t say what goes thru wrights mind, I am just telling you what went thru mine.

  • Destry

    You need meds.

  • Flatbush0460

    Yes, I believe he should be immediately stripped of his captaincy and suspended by MLB for not properly celebrating. (sarcasm alert)

  • Bail4Nails

    I think they are implying that Wright is not a Tejada fan. I noticed Murphy’s a big Flo fan, maybe he’s not alone.

  • Destry

    Yes. A RH pitcher would walk Carlos Gonzalez to pitch to the RH Tulo with 1B open and a 3-1 count

  • Alwayzamazin

    Bartolo Colon got there quicker!

  • mets4lyfe

    Murphy has a .822 OPS.

    I can more than live with his defense if he provides that type of offense.

  • Alwayzamazin

    what we have here is a bad clubhouse

  • Destry

    And on pace for 10 HRs

  • jason bay

    He was easy to miss in there

  • MikeyT

    Sure shows that ike didn’t trust hudgens at all. He was hacking up theire with that hideous swing for 2 years. And less than a month with Pittsburgh and he completely overhauls the swing

  • mets4lyfe

    You’re saying the Mets traded away a potential MVP caliber player?

  • KennyandtheMets

    As much as I think that EY is a bench player, the team DOES score more when he is out there. So I would platoon CY and Granderson in RF. Put EY 1st and Lagares 2nd.
    EY LF
    Lagares CF
    Murphy 2B
    Wright 3B
    Granderson/CY RF
    Duda/Campbell 1B
    Flores SS
    d’Arnaud C

  • Bail4Nails

    Most Volatile Player

  • Bail4Nails

    Team Chemistry looks pretty good in that clip.

  • chago

    What I understand is that you are making an assertion and want me to do the leg work to prove your theory or disprove it.Sorry where I come from if you want to discuss something and you want to make a point you find the facts yourself and present them not ask the other person to do the work to prove your side for you.I don’t think that is unreasonable of me.

  • mets4lyfe

    I don’t think Yankee fans are going to even boo Granderson. They’ll give him a standing O because he’s sucking it up with the Mets rather than doing the same for the Yankees if they had re-signed him.

  • Alwayzamazin

    no but wright has been acting out every time he strikes out. i have nothing against him but he is not a leader he is a good player. we need a leader!

  • KennyandtheMets

    That would put Grandy, Murphy, and Duda in a row. I’d rather switch Wright and Duda, just to break up the lefties.

  • Alwayzamazin

    lol hopefully he’ll give them something to boo about

  • jason bay

    He’s a platoon first basemen with either very low power production or a minuscule BA and very easy to neutralize with a LOOGY at key moments.

  • IndianaMet

    From the video link you posted. What a bad teammate.

  • Alwayzamazin

    cept for the captain on the fringes late to the party

  • KennyandtheMets

    Murphy is our best hitter with RISP. Hitting him 2nd is not giving him enough RBI chances, especially the way our 8,9, and 1 hitters fail to get on base.

  • Alwayzamazin

    bingo!

  • IndianaMet

    I gotta give you props. I never bite on these but you got me all riled up! Well played sir. LGM!

  • jason bay

    Looked pretty happy to me.

  • Waz0787

    We’re still last in our division. We won against a team whose sucks more than ours. I don’t even know if this was possible but I want them to the yankees an a$$ whooping beatdown

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Who cares?

  • From the beginning all I said was if you “only” look at the major league you are leaving out a big part of where they are teaching their said philosophies that you say have failed.

    If you want to say something failed only looking at it partially then ok. No point in continuing.

  • Peter S

    What are the Mets going to do with TdA? This is getting to very dangerous territory.

  • Alwayzamazin

    never bite on what? I was reporting my take on it. If you are going to be so polite, please say well played Miss.

  • jason bay

    Let him play 5 games a week for the rest of the year.

  • IndianaMet

    Well played, Miss! You win. I’m done.

  • Bail4Nails

    Hudge is the reason the Mets are Striking Out looking so often. To deny that Fact, is to deny Reality. Sorry, but every player in this Lineup has been doing it, from Wright to D’Arnaud.
    You don’t need to read an article that says “The Mets don’t protect the plate”. They clearly don’t Foul off a lot of 2-Strike Pitches. And when the Ump calls Strike 3, the Bat is usually resting comfortably on their Shoulder. You don’t need a gypsy to read the signs here.

  • Alwayzamazin

    best regards Indiana, Sir, have a good nite! LGM!

  • jason bay

    We are a .500 team which we haven’t been in 5 years.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I am not a big EY fan, but I have to admit that he does provide some spark to this offense. I would go with this line up for a while:

    EY LF
    Lagares CF
    Murphy 2B
    Wright 3B
    Granderson/CY RF
    Duda/Campbell 1B
    Flores SS
    d’Arnaud C

    Thoughts??

  • Destry

    And can’t hit in NY or play in back to b ack games because of chronic fatigue

  • KennyandtheMets

    Play the kid. Fire Hudgens. Tell Travis to be aggressive at the plate.

  • Bail4Nails

    I just think we have enough Problems, without making up new ones for Wright and Harvey. I didn’t see Hudge out there Celebrating- probably because Tejada swung at the First Pitch (he’ll probably be fined for that).

  • jason bay

    Lots of leaders, not to mention SS’s, lead off hitters, clean up hitters, relievers, RFer’s, LFer’s, catchers ect ect were signed or drafted as amateurs from 1998-2010 but sadly other teams got them all.

  • Alwayzamazin
  • KennyandtheMets

    We are a 500 team? 17-19 is 500?is that the new math?

  • yep, thats’s some Sandy Hater logic right thar

  • Bail4Nails

    Do you guys all forget 2007 on, when Wright was the only one (besides LoDuca) who actually spoke to the Media during the Horrific Collapses? Every other “Leader” on those teams either Conveniently forgot how to speak English, or just disappeared post-game. By the way, look at Wright’s stats during those times. Then, look at the Stats of some of those great “Leaders” the Mets had then.

  • jason bay

    I’d flip Grandy/CY with Duda/Campbell

  • KennyandtheMets

    Whatever dude. LGM!

  • Wolfmicky21

    Not moving DW out of the 3. Murph is 2 or 4.

  • Waz0787

    Beat me to it. Philadelphia pens sucks more than our reason we won today. Offense was dead for last 6 games

  • JamesWS

    You’re the worst.

  • Alwayzamazin

    make Wright the PR director then! Dimples forever!

  • Bail4Nails

    Nice Lineup (if they’re allowed to swing the bat).

  • jason bay

    .500 is the type of team we are. At the moment we are 2 games down just like a 10 days ago we were 4 games up.

    We weren’t a .560 team ten days ago, we were a .500 team playing .560. Same thing applies now.

  • Alwayzamazin

    just an innocent fan posting my feedback. how bout you?

  • Bail4Nails

    Winners don’t Celebrate winning Half the time. .500 is just a First step for good teams. Sorry Jay, but even the President only gets 4 Years to get it right.

  • Alwayzamazin

    managers do not go out to the field, lol!

  • JamesWS

    THE WORST

  • Waz0787

    We’re not a 500. Did u watched baseball last week? Miami humiliated us. Hopefully were the 4th best team in our division

  • Striking out is from my understanding up across all MLB. You said they don’t work on protecting the plate which I can’t recall reading that they do not work on such things.

    But if you feel Hudgens is the reason ok. I don’t absolve him entirely I just feel he is about as much the reason as any hitting coach is for the success or failure of a team which for me has never been much.

  • rubagreta

    Most encouraging signs were Familia and EY. For whatever reason, EY just can’t seem to do it day after day. But he is the PERFECT 4th outfielder.

  • Alwayzamazin

    omg all caps, you must be upset! lol! care to explain your prob with me or are you content to just insult me?

  • wilponzi

    If this was Wright prior to 2009, were talking about a great player. Had he put up similar numbers since then to now, he’d be on track for the HOF. But he’s just not the same player now, and when people say hall of fame they judge him on those years. He had the potential, but never followed through. Nonetheless, the best position player the Mets have right now

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Agreed. This wasn’t Buckner…

  • KennyandtheMets

    Murphy is our best hitter with RISP. Hitting him 2nd doesn’t make sense. If he hits 4th then who hits 5th? Duda? Granderson? I don’t like the lefties back to back.

  • Alwayzamazin

    and they should do away with the pie!!!! stupid yankee copy cat! gatorade container or something else

  • KennyandtheMets

    Lol. Thanks.

  • Bail4Nails

    Every Season for the Last 4 Years:
    “Damn, the Season’s over!”
    “Wait….no..not yet.”
    “Dammit Bullpen, Season’s over.”
    “Wait..hold on…not yet.”
    “Dammit Mets, swing the Bat!”
    “Wait…..okay yeah, Season’s over.”

  • Alwayzamazin

    then after the all star break, it is over. enjoy it while it lasts!

  • mets4lyfe

    Mets were 11 games over .500 in at one point 2010 and 8 games over .500 at one point in 2012.

    Neither of those teams ended up finishing the year with a .500 record. The current team as of now is worse than both those teams.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I’m not sure I buy that. We got great starting pitching to be at 560 early in the season. We also got a nice two week stretch from the bullpen. In mid April. My point is, it is still early in the season. I a not convinced that this is a 500 team yet.

  • Bail4Nails

    Anyone’s better than Jay Horowitz at this point.

  • Alwayzamazin

    or maybe the Mets said he was out to late at night? or maybe hudgens sucks and the walking is winning is not winning?

  • Alwayzamazin

    the entire org is a laughingstock

  • jason bay

    Bails it takes a lot longer than 4 years to fully rebuild an entire organization.

    There are only a handful of players signed or drafted in the last 3 years helping their teams right now and we couldn’t have gotten all of them anyway and most of the FA’s have been busts.

    If you wanted a good team here in 2014 you should have said something when we were trading 1st round draft picks for DH’s and cash, not offering arb to players departing for free agency, resigning 32-45 year old free agents, spending many of our best picks on college relief pitchers and forfeiting first rounders for closers and 40 year old OFer’s.

  • MikeyT

    .800. Ops

  • jason bay

    You can’t judge a team by their best OR their worst stretches and Flores has hardly played, deGrom, Montero Syndergaard and Puello will hopefully be up soon. Walters, Black, Edgin, Tovar, ect.

  • mets4lyfe

    The Mets never initiated a full rebuild. If that was the case, then they wouldn’t have re-signed Wright.

    Moreover, let’s not pretend that the franchise was in shambles when Alderson took over. Alderson took over the Mets when they had Reyes, Pagan, Beltran, Wright, Davis, Bay, Murphy, Thole, Duda, Dickey, Pelfrey (coming off a good season), Santana, Niese, Gee etc. It’s not as if Alderson took over a hopeless franchise without any quality ML players that it would take 5+ years just to field a team that can win half their games. Let’s be fair here.

    I’d agree with you if this were the Astros, but it’s not.

  • KennyandtheMets

    We shall see my friend.

  • Duffystaub

    Nonsense. You know all the bad things are Bush’s fault.

  • Duffystaub

    Great stats. Very revealing about their utter failure with that philosophy.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Statistically, Wright could be a HOFer as you point out. I just miss the greatness factor. Not saying it isn’t there, I just don’t see it…

  • Bail4Nails

    “As Mets batting coach the past four years, Dave Hudgens has had to preside over the Mets hitters’ prolific strikeout numbers. And while acknowledging it’s not just his hitters, Hudgens says there are a lot of reasons for this disturbing trend, some of them out of the hitting coach’s control. Part of it, Hudgens admits, may have to do with the prevailing theory today of the baseball analytical people that hitters need to see more pitches, work the pitchers deep into the count. More often than not, however, that can result in hitters falling behind early in the count.”
    -April 5th Article in Daily News

  • jason bay

    Hmmm…..Pelfrey, Thole, Duda, Bay, Santana and Reyes and Beltran in their walk years.

    Yeah a real powerhouse set up for years of success there.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’m amazed people still think firing Hudgens would do anything. Its Sandy’s philosophy!!

  • jason bay

    Our offense wouldn’t be so bad if we had signed or drafted some hitters over the last twelve years but sadly Carlos Gomez is the last position player we have developed in the last dozen years.

    I love Murphy and Lagares but where are the catchers? Where are the RFer’s? The LFer’s? The SS’s? The firstbasmen? For that matter where are the relievers? The bench players?

    Why do we have to sign two OFer’s, three relievers, a couple guys for the bench and a starting pitcher every year?

    It’s a complete joke that we have developed so few players over the years and many of them for other teams including Cruz, Izzy, Kazmir, Bay, Mora, Payton, Lindstrom, Scutaro, Vargas, Bell, Gomez, Bannister, Smith, O’Day…..,

  • mets4lyfe

    Who said about anything being a powerhouse? Alderson could’ve made a couple of moves to make the team competitive without sacrificing the farm system.

    Again, Alderson wasn’t handed a team without any ML talent.

  • CJM

    It’s not even close to dangerous territory, whatever that means. They will keep playing him as much as he’s been playing.

  • Flatbush0460

    I like lobster, but I wouldn’t want it day after day either…..

  • jason bay

    Let’s not pretend that they didn’t have to slash payroll either even while Santana and Bay were taking up 40+ M or damn near half of it.

  • CJM

    Didn’t catch most the game. Saw the last half inning though. Good on Tejada in that last at-bat. Very intelligent approach–knew it only took one, and came up looking to end the game on the first pitch. What is the word on Flores? Is he ill or something?

  • Flatbush0460

    I’m sure Collins will end the Flores experiment now, after six at bats, since Tejada finally got a hit. He has zero courage of his convictions

  • AlexHZ

    Yeah TC said he didn’t even put on a uni

  • mets4lyfe

    It was pretty obvious that Alderson’s job was to slash payroll and trade away ML talent that would become too expensive for prospects. With that said, don’t you think it’s taking him a bit too long to field a team that can at least win half their games?

    4+ years just to get a team to play .500 ball throughout a season is an awfully long time.

    It doesn’t help that the current Mets team looks to be heading towards another sub .500 season.

    I guess 2016 is the year?

  • CJM

    Is it the same bug Duda had?

  • Kevin H

    Whatever it was, Germen had it too. He didn’t suit up either.

  • mets4lyfe

    It also doesn’t help Alderson’s case that he’s yet to have a Major League signing perform up to expectations when given money to spend. I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see how this year pans out for Alderson and the Mets.

  • Mike B

    Wasnt Angel Pagan from our system? BTW, that was a bad trade, Pagan to the Giants. I see us improving. I thought Phillips and Omar were terrible. Remember the Kazmir trade? Strangest trade ever. Kazmir might have had a bad motion as Rick Peferson suggested, but for Victor Zambrano? Weird. I think we’ll be alright.

    Remember all the talk about Lastings Milledge? And Fernando Martinez? All hype. Now, we seem loaded. Just look at 1b. Dykstra, Matt Clark, Jayce Boyd and Dominic Smith. Some talent there. At SS, Sandoval, Tovar, Reynolds, Evans, Cecchini and Rosario. I’m excited.

  • Kevin H

    I’d take that line-up in a second…but we’ll never see it.

  • mets4lyfe

    Smith, Nimmo, Cecchini, Rosario, Rodriguez. Plawecki, and Reynolds are all guys that fans should keep their eye out for.

    The Mets are just lacking blue-chip position player prospects in the upper minors. They haven’t had any since Wright and Reyes.

  • mets4lyfe

    “sadly Carlos Gomez is the last position player we have developed in the last dozen years.”

    Wright and Reyes?

    EDIT: Unless you mean players signed/drafted from the year 2002 and on.

  • mr mojo risin

    Davis update: IF pop up on first pitch w/bases loaded and no outs… next batter his into DP

  • Joey D.

    Hi Guys,

    Off topic, but in case anyone is interested, Connor and I are still continuing our discussion about Sandy Alderson on the “Sandy Alderson Staying Afloat” thread.
    You’ll have to scroll down a lot to catch up with the latest.

    Would hate to think all my writing is being followed by just the two of us (hint, hint). LOL

  • jason bay

    Year player was signed or drafted

    1998 – Cruz
    1999 – Reyes, Pagan
    2001 – Wright
    2002 – Gomez, Kazmir

  • Jeff Roland

    loaded with the guys u mentioned? lol, c’mon man. dykstra, Clark, Sandoval, are complete non prospects. Boyd, tovar, Reynolds and Evans are about as marginal u can be as a prospect. cechini, who knows but his ceiling is probably a utility guy. the only one u mentioned with possible high upside and who is a legitimate prospect is Rosario. and he’s 17 and most likely 5 years away

  • mets4lyfe

    Reynolds projects to be an above-average SS if he continues to show that he can hit. He’d immediately become a top 10 SS prospect if his bat turns out to be solid.

  • Mike B

    I like it. CY vs lefties, Grandy vs righties. Won’t happen but it should.

  • Metropolitan

    don’t get too happy ..it is one win and at this point I hope this will turn into a win streak especially coming up against the Yankees,but this team still is what it is..and that is not very good..

  • DrDooby

    The 2014 team certainly has a lot more depth than the 2011 and 2012 teams. And it certainly has better SP than those teams. Can’t see any Miguel Batista or Chris Schwinden starts looming for this team – with all due respect for John Lannan and Dana Eveland.

    The 2014 Mets project as a .500 team. The projection for the 2011 team was similar, that for the 2012 and 2013 teams was worse. Which is why losing games that should have been won stings even more.

  • mets4lyfe

    2012 had a solid rotation of Santana, Dickey, Niese, Gee, and Batista/Young. They performed very well until Santana’s effectiveness started to waver after Johnson stepped on his ankle and Gee was put on the 60-day DL because of the blood clot issue.

    The bullpen was just as bad as it is now so that’s a wash. The offense was certainly better in 2012 than the offense in 2014.

    Who know? Maybe things can change for the 2014. Unfortunately, they look worse than the 2012 team so far.

  • Joey D.

    I felt that Valverde put the game on ice giving up that extra insurance run in the ninth, however, felt our chances for tying the game went up when Bastardo was brought in to face the to the top of the order – which represents our only true hitting attack – the bottom of the inning. Bastardo has been pitching horribly this season and was one reliever not to be entrusted with a save situation with Papplebaum I’m assuming unavailable.

    If the inning started with the middle of the order, being three runs down would have probably been too much to overcome which again shows the need for more bats in the lineup.

    The Phillies are a good hitting team and yet Niese limited them to three runs despite the inexperience of Campbell at first on the throw home. As with the shift, we are seeing more batters simply content with slicing the ball not too hard the opposite way for a single instead of trying to do “damage” and that is going to, in time, do away with many of those shifts because that type of hitting is going to keep the infielders honest.

  • mr mojo risin

    yeah, because everyone is soooo happy

  • DrDooby

    In your post you correctly point out the major weakness of the 2012 Mets team and past recent editions: Lack of depth !
    Yes, they often had a solid front 5 in their rotation. But most teams need between 8 and 10 SP to get through a season. And starts by Miguel Batista, Chris Schwinden, Pat Misch, Aaron Laffey, Jose Lima (r.i.p.), Brian Lawrence and a host of others who were forced into action here over the past decade or so happen to count as much as starts by Matt Harvey, RA Dickey and others. Same for the bullpen which has been troublesome for most of the past 7 seasons too with 2006 qualifying as the last truely good bullpen and the 2010 version doing okay. Again, common denominator: Lack of pitching depth and at times quality.

    And I suggest looking at the 2012 lineup and comparing it to the 2014 lineup.

    Basically, Jason Bay, Ike Davis, Josh Thole, Andres Torres and Kirk Nieuwenhuis – not exactly a murderer’s row as it combined for a sub .700 OPS on the year – are gone.
    Curtis Granderson Chris / Eric Young jr, Travis d’ Arnaud

  • DrDooby

    …and Juan Lagares aren’t necessarily better. But do have more upside for sure. The 2014 Mets clearly are a more talented team than the 2012 team on paper. Of course, 74 wins isn’t much of a baseline. But if the talent starts coming close to its potential and the far better depth factors in, it should win a lot more games. Maybe only 80 which still is far from good.

  • mad met

    100% with juan

  • mad met

    No but if u look back at the comments i did call the game. They win with ey and recker in the line up. Granderson sucks ass

  • mad met

    As long as ey juan and recker are in the lineup mets will win more than they lose

  • KennyandtheMets

    So you would start Recker then? I don’t know about that. I like Recker, but I still think d’Arnaud has a much bigger upside. Recker hits for a very low average. I think that d’Arnaud will end up being a significantly better hitter than Recker. I think Travis is trying to be a good soldier and abide by the team’s offensive philosophy. This has taken away his aggressiveness. It is frustrating to watch.

  • mad met

    Look up their record with ey Juan and recker in the lineup I believe it’s 10-2

  • dealingwithidiots

    Have you ever stepped foot in the clubhouse? I mean really in it, when there is no media involved? I love the “bad clubhouse” comments by fans. All assumptions.

  • Fast Eddie

    Why the hell not?! Platooning CY and Grandy as a L/R tandem seems quite reasonable. Each struggles against same-handed pitching. Switching between Duda and Campbell is also worth considering. What’s to lose? The horse manure that we have had to swallow for the past ten games is unbearable.

    Veloz

  • QueensRussell

    “end of story” perhaps in your addled mind.

    Do you mean to say if David Wright had been on the ’86 Mets, he wouldn’t also have the lone ring Straw has as a former Met?

    Kind of thoughtless. On the other hand, it’s also a counterfactual. As a serious argument, it’s an utter waste of time.

  • Metstheory22

    Seemed like everytime I looked at scoreboard we had men on 2nd & 3rd and two outs and did not score. I’ll take the win also.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Spot on.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I know, but it is a small sample size.

  • mad met

    Agreed but numbers are numbers as the saber guys all say when bashing ey…. When Juan ey and recker play mets win 80%

  • mad met

    Not every day but full out platoons for recker/tda and cy /grandy I’m in favor of I want Juan out there revert day and ey scores runs make stuff happen

  • dealingwithidiots

    Are you joking? Come on, really, you dissect where player stands in a celebration and assume what is going on through their minds? They call that too much time on your hands, get outside, take a deep breath. There are real conspiracies going on in life, this would not be one of them.

  • Destry

    He never had an 800 ops here. Heven ducks at Citi. Sorry man

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    Let’s go Sparky Lyle. 3 inning win