MMO Game Recap: Mets 5, Dodgers 3

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The Mets (21-25) beat the Dodgers (25-23) by a score of 5-3 on Thursday night at Citi Field, salvaging the final game of their 3-game set with Los Angeles.

Jon Niese got the start for the Mets and pitched well, giving up 3 runs on 4 hits and 3 walks in 7 innings, while striking out 5.

The Dodgers got out to an early lead, scoring in the top of the 1st on a sacrifice fly by Adrian Gonzalez. This put the Mets in a bad spot, down early in the game against a red-hot Zack Greinke.

However, Greinke didn’t have his best stuff today, and the Mets were able to get a run in the bottom of the second when Curtis Granderson doubled to cap off a 12 pitch at-bat, reached 3rd on an error, and scored on a sacrifice fly from Eric Campbell. After the next batter, Lucas Duda, drew a walk, Wilmer Flores hit a shot deep into the gap in right center. Unfortunately, Yasiel Puig made an absolutely ridiculous catch, robbing Flores of an RBI and helping Greinke get out of what could have been a messy inning.

After Greinke and Niese cruised for the next couple of innings, the Mets grabbed a lead in the bottom of the 5th when Anthony Recker doubled and scored on a two-bagger from Niese, who became the first Mets pitcher other than Jacob deGrom to get a hit this season. The Mets tacked on an extra run when former Met Justin Turner bobbled Daniel Murphy‘s slow roller, making it 3-1 New York.

The Mets got a lucky break in the 6th after a series of wacky events. After Chone Figgins walked, Puig grounded one out to David Wright, who threw it to Murphy at second to initiate a double-play. However, Murphy dropped the ball, and everybody was safe. Bench coach Bob Geren then got word from his video crew that Terry Collins should challenge the call, but upon review, it was clearly the right call, and LA had runners on 1st and 2nd with nobody out.

However, the next hitter, Hanley Ramirez, popped one just onto the outfield grass behind Murphy, and the infield fly rule was called. Murphy couldn’t find the ball and it fell to the ground, but Hanley was out regardless. Figgins, knowing that he could advance at his own peril, went to third, and Puig, whose thought process I am too scared to try to figure out, ran to second, where Flores neglected to tag him. However, Puig kept going a few feet past 2nd, and then stopped, making it easy for Flores to tag him for the 2nd out of the inning. With Figgins on 3rd and 2 outs, Gonzalez grounded out to Wilmer to end the frame.

The Dodgers would redeem themselves in the top of the 7th, when Scott Van Slyke walked and Turner hit a shot over the wall in left to tie it up at 3.

The Mets grabbed the lead right back in the bottom of the 7th against reliever Chris Perez. Flores led off with a single (and was almost robbed for the 2nd time in the game as a diving Van Slyke came up inches short). Wilmer advanced to 2nd on a wild pitch, and scored on a base hit by Juan Lagares.

The Dodgers threatened to score again in the top of the 8th against Daisuke Matsuzaka. Puig hit a 1-out double and Ramirez followed him up by hitting a sharp liner towards the gap in left-center. However, Campbell, playing in the outfield for the first time in his career, made a diving play, and Puig, who had been sprinting towards 3rd, was a dead duck. Soup doubled him off, and the inning was over.

The Mets tacked on an insurance run in the bottom of the 8th. David Wright led off with a single, and Granderson drove him home with a triple that would have been a home-run of unspeakable proportions in Yankee Stadium. Granderson was thrown out at home trying to score on Duda’s grounder to Ramirez, and the teams headed into the 9th with the Mets up 5-3.

Jenrry Mejia came in to close thing out for the Mets, and did so without incident, getting Gonzalez and Kemp to fly out, then striking out Van Slyke to end it (a very GIF-friendly celebration ensued).

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Well, at least we got 1 game in this series. I didn’t expect us to do anything against Greinke, but, as proven by Lucas Duda’s stolen base, you can’t predict ball. The Mets’ schedule gets a bit easier going forward, so hopefully they can get back on a winning streak.

Granderson has had a solid May. I’m starting to dislike him less and less. If he has a nice June, I might be able to forgive him for that whole “he was a Yankee” thing.

Wright hits singles. I get it. He isn’t hitting the ball out of the park. But as Gary Cohen said tonight, David is among the league leaders in hits, so it’s not like he isn’t productive…

Whenever Lagares does something to help the team, I write about it in the recap. Looking back at my recaps, this happens every single time Lagares is in the lineup. Notice something, Terry?

Flores can hit. He has to stay in the lineup. Sorry, Ruben. You had your chance.

This was a nice win. We didn’t even have to sweat in the 9th. Mejia has looked good as a closer so far.

Up next: The Mets will begin a 3-game series with the Diamondbacks on Friday night at Citi Field. Bartolo Colon (3-5, 5.34 ERA) will start for the Mets, while Arizona will turn to Chase Anderson (2-0, 5.06 ERA).

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  • Captain America

    Jenrry!!!!!!

  • everybodysbuddy

    Well Campbell had his first major league start in left. It seems he’s played quite a number of games in left field in the minor leagues. He will have a lot of major league firsts soon enough though. And personally I’d like to see both of the Youngs ride the pine while we give this guy a real shot. I like his swing!

  • HarveyKsYou

    Your recaps are very informative Tommy!

  • Hotstreak

    Hotstreak • an hour ago

    I felt Dodgers would tie but Mets win it. I did not want to be negative so I did not post it. Now I will. Lagares I felt and stll do will get the game winner not necessarily a walkoff.

    I based my prediction on Niese being less dominating but typical QS and this

    http://stats.washingtonpost.com/mlb/getleaders.asp?rank=226

    One more late and close.

    It was like two hrs ago before Turner’s homer.

    “you can’t predict ball”: but I did.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    You just know Jenrry’s attitude out there is getting under Fred’s skin.

  • Hotstreak

    Yes they believe in scrap heap closers except Fat Frankie who was expensive scrap heap.

  • Bail4Nails

    “David Wright is one of the League Leaders in Hits”. He should be Batting 2nd, with Murphy 3rd. That is my one teeny complaint with this Awesome Lineup.

  • Frank Francisco

    Murphy sucks at batting third for god knows what reason.

  • well that OT didn’t last long…

  • Hotstreak

    Montreal wins 3-2 less than a minute in OT.

  • “He’s welcome for that” – Niese on Turner’s homer

  • Peter S

    SNY just showed Grandy Mans month splits. The Mets are 6-15 for the month of May while Grandy is hitting .310 with a +.500 slg. In April when he was terrible, the Mets were 15-10. Someone explain.

  • BarnRat

    This line-up + Mejia feels good. I know it can’t stick given the promises made, but what’s the counter-argument for the old order beyond the promises?

  • mets4lyfe

    Wright’s become a great number 2 hitter. The Mets just need a 3 and 4 hitter.

  • Frank Francisco

    Yeah no real point getting on David’s case. He has an .830 OPS (.464 SLG) since May 1st so his power is slowly but surely coming back.

    I noticed today that pitchers seem to be nibbling David in the bottom of the zone. I wonder if this is a new adjustment directed at DW. At the beginning of the season it seems like he was trying to power-swing at those types of pitches causing strikeouts and hard groundouts, but it seems like he is doing a better job taking what he can get with cheap-singles.

    I believe that if he keeps doing what he’s doing and taking a few more walks, the league will have to start giving him better pitches to hit, especially since Granderson is heating up behind him.

  • mets4lyfe

    Mets are not a good baseball team

  • Frank Francisco

    Small sample sizes, luck, and the fact that it isn’t a one person team.

  • Hotstreak

    Higher draft pick and dump more salaries at trade deadline. Building the farm and planting the seeds for 2020.

  • Taskmaster4450

    The SP hasnt been as good as it was in April and the Mets arent getting the timely hits like before. Their BA went up by 20 points as a team but the Mets arent scoring any more runs.

    A 1-4 with the hit being with 2 out nobody on in the first isnt as good as a 1-4 for with an RBI in the 6th.

  • Joey D.

    And how many of those goals came off the sticks instead of the bodies or the skates?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Hernandez hit the nail on the head. Wright has been “slumping” yet is still hitting near .300. He hasnt hit the ball well and is fighting it. The solution is to keep going the other way until it clicks. We will see if Wright continues or he tries to get pull happy.

  • Connor O’Brien

    He is definitely heating up.

  • BarnRat

    I’m pretty cynical, but I hadn’t gone there — thanks, I guess

  • Connor O’Brien

    It’s just a coincidence. More proof that one player can’t carry a team (ahem, Wright haters).

  • Hotstreak

    In a blink I said Grandy would get hot.

    Connor only Barry Bonds could carry a team and he took roids.

  • Connor O’Brien

    He wasn’t going to hit .160 forever

  • pepe

    Has anyone noticed that we have a decent SS now. The lineup plays better. Everything falls in place. Go Wilmer Flores! You look good.

  • CJM

    This was the first time all year I didn’t watch a single inning. Sounds like I missed a classic alright.

  • Connor O’Brien

    Granderson and Wright both heating up with Lagares continuing to hit. I’d expect some more runs in the coming weeks, especially if CY can get out of this funk.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I loved how all of the young guys contributed to the win. Grandy’s finally starting to heat up. Meijja’s settling into closer role.

  • Connor O’Brien

    I don’t think Barry Bonds could even carry a team. He may have been the difference between 90 and 100 wins, but not much more than that.Those Giants teams had good offense and good pitching, no?

  • Hotstreak

    Could be a turning point to the season IF same lineup is used.

  • Metropolitan

    wright sure can hit those singles….

  • Hotstreak

    I could be wrong but I think he had no protection. He was walked intentionally several times with bases loaded.

  • CJM

    Just watched the Puig catch. Holy hell what a goddamn player.

  • EzRider

    Better than striking out or popping up. Small victories.

  • gameball

    Fun game, but not very tight. For all their budget and talent the Dodgers are going to have a tough time with a team like the Giants who play lock-down fundamental baseball.

  • EzRider

    Murph in the 3. A true power threat in the 4 is really needed. 1B or OF.
    It would be nice if the Mets could take on salary because i’m wondering if Kemp would enjoy a change of scenery where he could once again be looked upon as “The Man”. I know he has had tons of injuries and can play pretty sloppy at times but i just wonder…

    Lagares/Wright/Murph/Kemp/Granderson/Flores/Duda/d’Arnaud. Even flipping Murph and Wright. That could really bring a spark to this club and Kemp could make for one hell of a RF. Stanton or Tulo would be perfect but this may be another very pipe dreamish idea.

  • Hotstreak

    Moved.

  • CJM

    Yeah from the recap here it sounds like both teams suffered from some boneheadedness. Just watched Puig’s catch which was absolutely sensational. Great to salvage a win against Greinke.

  • gameball

    Yeh, Puig’s a force of nature.

  • Connor O’Brien

    His power is gradually coming back.

  • CJM

    So fun to watch, less so when he’s beating up on the Mets, though.

  • T Boogy

    Oh he’s still striking out at a high rate. Too many looking too.

  • Bobby O

    Yup, keep those young guys coming! We might see Noah, Cesar and Kevin later this season too. Kevin at .312 at AA with a HR tonite. Cesar is starting to hit some at AAA too- 2H and a triple tonite.

  • Connor O’Brien

    Oh I’m not denying how feared or how good he was, but I don’t see any way in which a player can carry a team unless they are the starting pitcher and pitch every day.

    In basketball you can carry a team. A quarterback in football can carry a team. A baseball player cannot force a 20-30 win swing.

  • Hotstreak

    The 2002 SF Giants made it to the WS with this roster.

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=2002&t=SFN

    I guess you can say Jeff Kent with 37 hrs disproves my point.

  • BigAl831

    GREAT WIN WE’RE BACK BABY .500 coming up

  • Connor O’Brien

    Kent, Bell, Aurilia, Sanders, and Santiago were all well above average players, and that’s just the offense.

  • wilponzi

    Just awful offense out there today. If they’d have followed the philosophy and took more first pitch fastballs down the middle then we would have scored 10 instead of 5. Gotta get some more Eric Young Jr in there.

  • EzRider

    Shhh, allow me some small modicum of joy.

  • Connor O’Brien

    Yes, the philosophy is to take first pitch strikes down the middle.

  • wilponzi

    Its to take more pitches which leads to more first pitch strikes because pitchers know the Mets aren’t swinging when they follow “the philosophy”. That’s why Buck had like 14 home runs in April last year, they were expecting him to take like the rest of the team, but he didn’t.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    As long as Campbell looks good, I pretty much agree….at this point, “Youngs” should only play vs. LHP, when Duda sits and Campbell moves to first..or during the occasional day off for Lagares/Granderson/Murphy.

  • Connor O’Brien

    The philosophy is to become better at identifying pitches and work the strike zone, not necessarily to take more pitches.

  • wilponzi

    Definitely working

  • wilponzi

    Which makes them take more pitches when they should be swinging. Because they need guys working the count

  • wilponzi

    And has crippled the offense

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    No doubt. He is electric…

  • wilponzi

    Hey who needs international players like him or Jose Abreu. We got Bobby Abreu and EYJ

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    We also have Lagares and Flores. Gotta let J Abreu go…

  • sperry

    You should tell guys like TDA this, because right now he doesn’t know the difference between that and taking strikes down the middle.

  • wilponzi

    They were both signed by Omar

  • wilponzi

    Just in time to battle with the Phillies for 4th place

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    We’ll have to see how Dilson Herrera develops, but you are correct in that we seem to not be on the cutting edge of international signings post-Omar…

  • wilponzi

    I don’t know how anyone could conceivably have anything positive to say about our “hitting” philosophy

  • I’m glad we got the win. With the Diamondbacks on deck, hopefully we can string some more wins together. Great to see so many of the young kids stepping up tonight. Lagares and Flores have to play everyday.

  • CJM

    Well a lot of folks in the minors seem to be raking. The philosophy is instilled throughout the organization, right?

  • CJM

    Murph is not a 3 hitter.

  • wilponzi

    The guys in the minors don’t have Terry and Hudgens in their clubhouse…..

  • Brian Regan

    Would like Kemp, but he has a huge contract, and has is extremely injury prone. If we had our 2006 payroll it would be more realistic

  • mets4lyfe

    I think you’re oversimplifying Alderson’s hitting principles.

  • Connor O’Brien

    and “taking more pitches” isn’t?

  • EzRider

    Well aware, merely musing.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Kemp strikes me as just the kind of anchor we should run, not walk, away from. Massive contract, an injury magnet, and I don’t know if you noticed, but to me the guy just drips attitude. The wrong kind.

    The last “change of scenery” guy we gambled on was CY. Please, no.

  • CJM

    Hence the part about the philosophy being throughout the organization, which there was an article about a few weeks ago.

  • EzRider

    He shows true flashes of being the best hitter on this team. I believe if given the chance he would do quite well in the 3 spot. I also don’t believe David is as washed up as others seem to think. Power aside he is still very capable of driving in runs and hitting over .300. He needs more to get on in front of him and a real CU hitter to protect him. I like Grandy but in the 5th or 6th spot would really be ideal.

  • metsfansince64

    It’s a philosophy that works better with good hitters. We have better hitters in the minors than on the major league team for the most part – they’re just not ready yet. (Not so much in Vegas, but in Vegas, you don’t have to be any good to hit, so the rules don’t apply.)

  • derek murphy

    Dykstra needs to replace Duda. Flores should start at SS everyday. Campbell needs to be in left. Teagarden should go behind plate till TDA is ready. They have a Tom of guys that can help at plate. I love tovar n Reynolds. Herrera, Cecchini n Nimmo r ready to tear it up. The sand nats have a squad n I’m pumped.

  • metsfansince64

    We didn’t’ sign Dilson Herrera. He was part of the Vic Black trade with the Pirates last year (and looking like a very nice part so far).

  • EzRider

    CY was doesn’t have a fraction of Kemp’s talent. All the other points are well understood. I really think he craves being the Man. Puig is getting in the way of that. The injuries are very concerning which is why he is always going to be a red flag for those interested in trading for him. If healthy and motivated the contract seems spot on. And frankly most of the others that folks call to trade for, Tulo and Stanton, are as big of injury risks.

    The Mets don’t have that kind of money so it doesn’t matter anyways.

  • yankees713

    Everyone here complains about Collins, Alderson, and especially The Wilpons. You all need to realize that you are the problem. Unsupportive, insubordinate fans. The Wilpons lose 70 million last year, and downgrade payroll and then you complain about payroll while boycotting games? You go to shill websites that just have it out for the owners and the front office instead of a team owned website like metsblog with a writer whos at least half honest? Please. If you were a real fan base you would realize you are causing the issues, causing the decreases in payroll and the decrease in quality. You’re all unhappy, complain about everything, pessimistic, and just awful fans all around. Wheres the loyalty? You’re just not a real organization like the Yankees are. We all know who the real NY team is. So when you are looking for people to blame, look in the mirror. But you do like the mets so you’re probably blind and deaf.

  • NeedNewOwners

    Oh boy, here we go again with this garbage.

  • metsfansince64

    We had really shut-down defense not making any mistakes in April. This is a team that can’t afford to make mistakes and give other teams extra outs, and we’ve done a lot of that in May. That also made our pitching better in April.

  • NeedNewOwners

    See the ball, hit the ball. Simple and effective.

  • CJM

    Here, here! I said a similar thing earlier this week. Completely agree.

  • Hotstreak

    Just a sincere question. The Mets are not interested in PPA? Last night it worked with Grenke getting a bloated pitch count early..

  • yankees713

    What a joke of a team and fan base. Hopes resting on washups and career minor leaguers. You guys should get out of New York and into New Jersey, where you belong. Because there’s only one real NY team now. You guys haven’t been one in 30 years

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    It’s true. Ungrateful churls that we are, we’re the ones that forced Fred to turn to a shyster like Bernie M. just to shut us up. We’re like one massive, nagging wife. Fred’s probably drinking at his desk by 9 am.

  • yankees713

    Some scrapheap failed starter is now the face of the Mets bullpen. Good job guys

  • Tacohow

    You’re blaming the fans that the mets have been under .500 5 years running and have owners who can’t afford to have a high payroll?
    LOL! Good one! Thanks for the insight! I hope I am not the reason the jets haven’t win in 45 years either…wait, am I? Let me look in the mirror!

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    True, but at his level, we’re basically developing him…

  • willywater88

    Good job Campbell. I did not think you would make much of a difference compared to Satin but have so far proven me wrong.

    Kind of upset Wilmer lost an XBH. I think that would have been his first of the year.

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  • yankees713

    Good job you have pseudo-Jeter as your best player have fun with that NJ mets

  • yankees713

    Yea a decent ss for AAA. Maybe

  • yankees713

    Worth more suspended than 9/10 players you have playing AAA ball

  • Connor O’Brien

    Wow! Why didn’t I think of that!

  • Guest

    Regarding career minor leaguers….how’s Solarte treating you?

  • Guest

    Said failed starter pitched 2.1 scoreless against your team. Good job, guys.

  • Connor O’Brien

    From what I’ve seen, it’s more about discipline than anything else. Waiting for your pitch while also working high pitch counts. Taking balls that you can hit is not part of the philosophy.

  • yankees713

    How’s your entire roster treating you?

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    These guys are just trying to get under your skin, Connor.

  • Connor O’Brien

    LOL I know. It’s been nonstop since I started writing here a few years ago.

  • Guest

    If you had a real fan base to talk to, you wouldn’t be here.

  • yankees713

    And he’s still a better hitter than your whole team

  • upandadam

    Oh guys, don’t mind him. This is my ret@rd cousin who we usually keep locked up in a cage in the basement. He gets out every once in a while and likes to troll on the internet.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    You know its bad in Yankee land when Yankee mongos take a trip over to a Mets website after almost being NO HIT by Chris Sale….LOL!!!

    (pic refresh page if you cant see)
    http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/automotive/63558d1275277426-true-drivers-who-drive-big-suvs-must_not_feed_the_troll.jpg

  • Mike B

    Lagares sure is money. Clutch. I know some say there’s no such thing, but I disagree. I’ve been following the Mets since ’65, went to my first game the last day of June that year. How do I remember? The Mets were playing the Giants, and Mays hit his 18th homer of the month, still the record. He finished with 52. Charlie Smith homered for the Mets. But I digress. In following the Mets, the two most clutch players(not counting pitchers, or 1 year guys like Tommy Davis) I recall were Rusty and Keith Hernandez. Beltran was clutch but more streaky, and would get incredibly hot. You couldn’t get him out when he was hot. But Keith and Rusty just stepped up, what seemed like always. While I wouldn’t necessarily put Lagares up with them, he’s better than his numbers, as they were. You can throw sabermetrics out. Give me the guy who doesn’t choke(there are enough of those guys). He comes through in key situations. What was he, 1-4 tonight? Yeah, but that 1 was huge. Some guys step up. Some don’t. He does. What a fabulous player.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    lol

  • yankees713

    Almost being no hit by Chris Sale is more respectable than anything the Mets have done in the past 5 years

  • yankees713

    The only ret@rds here are Mets Fans

  • derek murphy

    SA blows Omar away I loved Omar but the amount of talent brought in crushes what Omar’s done.

  • Guest

    I was paying him a compliment. And also pointing out that being in the minors until you’re 26 or 27 does not automatically make you a scrub. Even if it happens more often than not.

  • EzRider

    I agree with Dykstra at 1B and Reynolds as IF utility guy to replace Tejada. Campbell in LF. We should also start looking to make room for Leathersitch and Black. More young power arms for the pen. Edgin and Dice-K could go(even though he has been pretty good). Wheeler or Montero back to the minors when Gee comes back and starts his showcase for the trade deadline. Same goes for Niese and Colon. Cutting bait with CY wouldn’t hurt either. Sorry but he had his chance.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    We’ve sucked but guess what???

    In the grand scheme of things the Stankees dont have sh!t to show for the past 5 years either

    @yankees713:disqus = @cjm

  • yankees713

    Good thing your “closers” best accomplishment is two innings right? Only the nj mets

  • Guest

    Overall, I’m pretty happy with it. Wouldn’t mind a real first baseman, though.

  • yankees713

    Solarte has people who can hit around him. Who do you guys have for protection Tejada?

  • Guest

    Certainly pitching better than CC.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    What talent that Sandy has brought in has produced?????

    Name em?

    WHEELER = TERRIBLE SO FAR
    d’Arnaud = TERRIBLE SO FAR

  • Guest

    Admittedly, Tejada couldn’t protect a piece of paper. I’m assuming you have no love for Grandy?

  • Mike B

    I’m losing patience with Duda also. How many times is he going to come up, with less than 2 outs and a guy on 3rd and continue to take fastballs for strikes? I mean, WTF? Swing the freakin bat.Knock the run in.

    Heard the game on radio, and heard interesting stat on Duda. With the count 0-1, Duda is the second leading hitter in baseball since he’s been in the bigs, with a BA over .400. Announcer suggested it’s because he’s one of the worst on 0-2, about .150, and that he’s so afraid of going 0-2, that he focuses on 0-1. But that got me thinking. Why doesn’t he focus on 0-0 and skip taking a fastball strike? If he started swinging at 0-0, maybe he’d stop getting behind in the count, as pitchers would be more careful. IMO, all Duda has to do, is like Ted Williams, sit on fastballs with less than 2 strikes. But he doesn’t. He looks for the curve, gets a fastball, and is frozen. He does this all the time, then with 2 strikes, looks foolish.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    OT – I believe the way DW’s game is evolving, and given the realities of Citi, if he concentrated purely on spraying the ball and mothballed his power stroke he could put up a slash of .325/.400/.850. And probably better serve the team, maybe even as a 2 hitter. Thoughts?

  • yankees713

    2014-5 = 2009
    2009 = World Series Title
    Definitely less respectable than 4th place with teams like the Marlins and Nats the past 5 years

  • Connor O’Brien

    Is it not? Look at the numbers over the past few weeks.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Im not a Duda fan but thats crazy….Dykstra is not as good as you think and he takes way more pitches than Duda.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown
  • Arjun Vidudala

    holy crap, just saw that catch by puig, phenomenal, totally a double for flores if puig isnt there

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    That was a very interesting insight by that announcer.

  • yankees713

    2009 = World Series
    2010 = 95 wins, WC, ALCS
    2011 = 97 wins, Division, ALDS
    2012 = 95 wins, Division, ALCS
    2013 = horrible season w/ 85 wins more than the Mets will have for the next 15 years.
    Definitely nothing to show for the past 5 years. This is how I know the Mets belong in New Jersey because their fans don’t know what happens in New York

  • yankees713

    How creative. I’m sure an thought around here is rare even if it is a stupid one

  • Guest

    Zack Greinke – 2.03era, loses to Mets
    Chris Sale – 2.30era, beats Yankess (who use a DH)

  • BadBadLeroyBrown
  • yankees713

    He was good until he went to New Jersey

  • BadBadLeroyBrown
  • Brian Regan

    LOL, your team has triple the payroll and is just as bad as us. I live on the west coast and have been back for 6 games this year. While the energy is terrible at the park,if they put a winning product on the field they will draw fans and make money. Yankee fans cant relate bc they can afford to survive bad contract decisions.

  • yankees713

    If CC was on the Mets he’d be the best player by far

  • Joey D.

    Hi Connor,

    Sorry to have to again disagree with you but you are wrong about how well the philosophy actually helps one become better at identifying pitches – in which taking more pitches does play a major role. This is why.

    Hudgens does not want his hitters swinging at STRIKES on the corner early in the count and using the first two strikes they have to “hunt” for “their” pitch to do “damage” on. He wants his hitters to ignore those two outer inches on each side of the plate and focus on the middle thirteen which he himself defines as “their” pitch. They only hit as a team .200 on those type pitches. That has been stated so many times that i do not believe it is necessary to again provide the links in which he talks about it. That is not identifying pitches as it defining pitches and there is difference for identifying pitches means being disciplined while defining a team logic and an enforcement of a system determining for the hitter what to swing at and what not to.

    Becoming better at identifying pitches comes not from anything related to percentages or calculations from a spreadsheet but rather all the variables coming from those percentages and calculations determined not in statistical language but in instinctive knowledge and understanding of how the pitcher is throwing, how the batter is doing, the game situation and what the umpire is imposing as far as a strike zone is concerned.

    To bring in any argument about statistical probabilities does not take into account that keeping a pitcher honest so he cannot get ahead on the count determines what he may or may not throw on those and subsequent pitches. This goes beyond the contention that those first pitches might be the best ones a batter is going to get to hit when a great pitcher is simply on top of his game because getting ahead on the count also allows any good pitcher the luxury to “hunt” for his pitch to throw for he, in turn, has more pitches to work with himself.

    A pitch count is not the exclusive property of the batter.

    So it indeed affects the pitches that come up after the first and second ones. And that is an opinion based on “conventional wisdom” as emphasized by those with experience and knowledge which thus “quantifies” empirical conclusions.

    That is why the philosophy which you honestly believe is a solid, statistical method which helps batters become more selective at identifying pitches, etc. is actually achieving the opposite. Hitting has been suffering the past few seasons (not going to use the steroid era for any comparison) for as we see, batting averages have been declining with not only record setting strikeout totals but the widest ratio of strikeouts to walks in over a century of the game.

    This is because batters are not swinging at the ball early on the corners. It is one thing if they want to lay off the pitch; it is another if they are only doing so because they are obeying orders. Doing so often puts them in the position of defensive hitting and thus not getting a hit 1 out of 5 at bats (that .200 batting average) going after first pitches and hitting them into fair territory they are getting less hits by “working themselves” further into the count which then lowers their overall batting average – and as we see – on base percentage too. One cannot force changes to occur by interfering with a natural order of things as they progress (i.e., the pitcher/batter confrontation). Learning to be a smarter batter is one thing, but that comes from understanding the game in exacting details that numbers simply cannot explain.

    It is not a case of being told to take a strike down the middle of the plate. It is being told to take a strike on the corners instead of leaving it to one’s own judgement.

    And regarding those 17 inches of the plate in which Hudgens wants his batters to lay off the outer four inches of them, that is assuming the umpire is calling a strict 17 inch strike zone. If he is giving pitchers the benefit of the close pitches, that means the strike zone is more like 18 inches (an additional half inch off each side of the plate). That could make a lot of a difference in advantage pitcher.

    Again, batters know how to be selective. It comes from understanding the game and having the talent to use that understanding. And as said, the methodology you wish to refer to comes from those who were not deeply astute in the game but who come from a background in which their way of approaching things was in terms of the analytical to begin with. Those like Dave Hudgens, etc. understand their employment depends upon staying in line with these methods.

    You notice that Omar’s job was on the line after the 2008 season and the second collapse. Two years later he was gone with a year still remaining on his contract. Willie Randolph was fired a year and a half after coming within one pitch of leading the team to the world series. Yet after three consecutive losing seasons in which a large segment of fans have literally abandoned the team altogether and as we see, there is a total disconnect between the organization and the public with most simply fed up altogether, we still have in place not only a general manager but a manager who was just rewarded with a two year extension of his contract and a hitting coach who has done nothing but seen his team become one of the most anemic hitting teams in the league. If nothing more, protocol would call for their firings just to be the scapegoats). But they haven’t because they keep their place in a new regimented system as was brought out the other night by pages written in “money ball” regarding Sandy Alderson.

    Thus my point as to why the Dave Hudgens and Terry Collins of this world are able to hang on to their jobs in which even if they are not at fault, they would be let go just to the sacrificial lambs.

    But back to the bigger point. Players have to identify pitches based on their empirical understanding of what is happening during the game. They are not only studying the pitcher but they are also studying the umpire as well. How is he defining the strike zone?

  • goorru

    I was assuming it was CJM also.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    So why exactly are you here????

    You are a Yankee fan on a Mets blog site at 1:24am…WHY??? We didnt even play you bums and we’re on your minds

    Youre embarrassing yourself.

  • yankees713

    That’sa 2.30 ERA in the AL. And if one game is your metric then how about overall hitting stats? Oh the Yanks are way better.
    And if you want to talk about being shut down how about asking Masahiro Tanaka?

  • Brian Regan

    Not sure where he will play, but Flores will end up being a very good hitter for a long time. Remember this dude is only 22. Have to think he will have some slumps, but he attacks the baseball and goes the other way well. I hope we keep him long term

  • Guest

    The only Met pitcher with a worse year than CC so far is Colon. And even that’s debate-able.

  • yankees713

    A New Jersey Mets fan talking about people embarrassing themselves is the most hypocritical thing I’ve ever heard. But Mets fans aren’t real new yorkers anyway so what would they know?

  • yankees713

    Yea like your guys Puello and Valdespin?

  • yankees713

    If he was in the NL outside of Yankee stadium he’d be great. Look what he did in his short time in the NL with the Brewers. Not to mention his years of stability with the Yanks so far. When’s the last time the Mets had that, Seaver?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Youve reached a new low @disqus_5Yq3GcDoov:disqus opening a new account to get attention?

    Its got to be a better way to get attention on the internet,

    You should take up TWERKING on video lollol…

    Im done feeding the troll for the night out of scooby snacks

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    AROD, GIAMBI,CLEMENS, PETTITE ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC

    Your main players not minor leaguers which you also have a sh!t load of

  • yankees713

    By the end of the season the Yanks will be far superior. Even if they’re the same the recent years of constantly reaching the playoffs and winning 95+ aren’t just erased. The Yankees are the only real New York team. In at most a few years they’ll be back on top and the Mets buried at 4th place. New Jersey Mets

  • yankees713

    OK guys from a generation ago minus A-rod? Piazza was definitely juicing just like everyone else at that time. Not like it was just the Yanks. And from what 15 years ago? We don’t even like A-Rod. Without him we are 10 times better than you guys will ever be over in New Jersey

  • Metropolitan

    Curtis Granderson really hurt you guys with that Real New Yorkers are Mets fans……truth can do that

  • mr mojo risin

    I agree, and there are also stats for that. In fact, on Fangraphs there is a statistic called ‘Clutch’

  • Connor O’Brien

    among other similar stats

  • mr mojo risin

    well, he was way off on a lot of his pitches especially in that 2nd inning… to the point where they weren’t even tempting. Also Granderson fouled off a TON of pitches before getting a hit in his AB.

  • mr. belvedere

    Not that another reason is needed but Colon’s a fly ball pitcher so Flores better be still be in the lineup and CY will/should be back in LF especially with Colon out there, we always need our best defensive OF in when he pitches…if he really wants to play EY he should give Murph a blow, he’s had a couple bad games in a row and hasn’t had a day off all season

  • mr mojo risin

    indeed, it just seemed easier to mention only Clutch rather than adding WPA/LI

  • Hotstreak

    I will give you an example about 12 years ago we went house hunting and found the right house at the right price. But we thought due dilegence was required and must have looked at 20 other homes before we came back to the original one. The first pitch could be the one and you will never see a mistake or cookie like that again.

  • Arjun Vidudala

    puig smh what a guy, what a catch

  • Arjun Vidudala

    it was amazing, defi not a fluke he knew he was catching that ball from the moment he saw it coming. just damn.

  • Destry

    Recker should play tomorrow. Centeno is a mess defensively.
    Duda needs to be a 1B with a RHP on the hill.
    Murphy could use a day off, but tomorrow is not the day.
    Wright will be in the lineup.
    Flores better be at SS.
    Lagares better be in CF. Especially with Colon pitching.
    Grandy will be in RF.

    That leaves a decision of EY2, who has a .342 OBP vs RHP best among regulars
    CY, who sucks, but has been guaranteed ABs through his free agent deal
    Eric Campbell who hasn’t hit RHP nearly as well as LHP, but seems to be the hot hand.

    Personally, I think EY should play with the .342 OBP being the deciding factor against a rookie pitcher. CY will probably get the nod, however.

  • Hotstreak

    Keith Hernandez-like 1986:

    BA.310 OBP .413 SLG .446

  • Destry

    He just hit a HR the last game he started. He leads the team in HR, RBIs and Slg% vs RHP

  • Destry

    That’s what they say publicly Connor, but I assure that they don’t want their guys swinging at the first pitch, strike or not. Eric Byrnes said that when he was coming up through the A’s organization, it was widely considered the worst possible thing you could do was swing at the first pitch you see.

  • DrDooby

    I don´t think there truely is a “contractual” guarantee for any number of AB for CY. Rather a verbal “don´t worry, you´ll get plenty of playing time” statement.
    Tomorrow´s lineup should be:

    1) EY jr, lf
    2) Murphy, 2b
    3) Wright, 3b
    4) Granderson, lf
    5) Lagares, cf
    6) Duda, 1b
    7) Flores, ss
    8) Recker, c

    As long as Flores & Lagares start 8 to 9 out of every 10 games, I can live with the rest, assuming Wright, Murph and Grandy are set. Let TC mix & match with LF, 1b and C (as long as d´Arnaud is out) if he wishes.

  • DrDooby

    If there ever was a “must”-win game for the Mets, this was it.
    At 21-25, they are now entering the softest part of their schedule with 6 at home vs. the D´backs and Pirates, plus 8 on the road vs. the Cliff Lee-less Phillies and the Cubs. If this team is seriously trying to compete for a WC berth this season and finish above .500, now would be the time to go on a hot streak. 9-5, 10-4, 11-3 or something like that.

    And maybe, the FO has finally told TC that Lagares & Flores better play every day. Even if Ruben Tejada has a nice BP or EY jr. goes 3 for 5 in a game.

  • Unfortunately, there is no “soft” part of the schedule for this team. As far as a WC berth, I think we should focus on getting to .500 as our only attainable goal. A playoff appearance is not only unlikely, but almost a waste of time considering how erratic and anemic our offense and bullpen are.

  • DrDooby

    While it´sunlikely, it´s not impossible. If the Mets just play the players that shouldplay (Flores & Lagares) and Wright & Granderson get going, the offense should be solid. It´ll then come down to how well the pitching is performing.Besides Zack Wheeler and either Jacob deGrom or Rafael Montero emerging as reliable SP that especially comes down to whether Jenrry Mejia can finally stabilize the closer role and whether Jeurys Familia and Josh Edgin emerge as reliable setup relievers. If that happens, there´s no reason the Mets can´t
    hang in there or go on an extended run.

    The Milwaukee Brewers are 24-2 in games where they´ve scored 4 runs or more this year and 4-18 in games where they score less than 4. The Mets – who have averaged about 4 runs per game – are merely 17-8 in those types of games and 4-17 in games where they´ve scored less than 4. While the focus has been on the inconsistent and sometimes punchless offense, the lack of consistent pitching and a knack for allowing tack-on runs in later innings has really hurt too. The
    Mets have a .500 record (7-7) in “blow-out” games for either side and are 14-18 in games decided by 3 runs or less. They´ve basically been in most of their games and aren´t far off.

    That´s why the subpar start is even more disappointing. And why the upcoming stretch may be the last realistic chance to turn around this season. While a .500 season seems realistic, it´d be far more exciting being 5 games over .500 in July & August and then falling back in September than being 5 games under .500 in July & August and then bouncing back in meaningless games in September. And this stretch may be the best chance to make up some ground and get back over .500 in a short period of time.

  • Destry

    Its been reported that there was a gentleman’s agreement that Young would get starter ABs. The reports say that teams are usually forced to stick to the agreement or word gets around fast via agents and upcoming free agents that the agreement was not upheld.

    I agree with your lineup whole heartedly. I might even bat Lagares 3rd and Wright 5th until he starts resembling the Wright of old. He’s has been atrocious vs RHP this season.

  • Destry

    Anything less that 9-5 to get us back to .500 will be really disappointing. Its time to start playing baseball.

  • Destry

    The major flaw in their philosophy is that while they are still hitting the same average on pitches in the “inner” strike zone, the outer part of the zone in which they were hitting .200, they are now hitting .000. They have miscalculated the philosophy by a gigantic proportion. The hits that are lost by eliminating that part of the plate is not made up by more mistakes being thrown by the pitcher. There is no reason to think you will get more pitches inside the zone to swing at, just because you aren’t swinging at borderline pitches. There is nowhere to make up for the lost hits. The fact that they would rather have their hitters strike out looking than hit .200 on borderline pitches with two strikes is completely asinine. At least let them change the approach with 2 strikes.

    What Sandy fails to understand is that while got to where he is because of his brains, the players got to where they are because of their athleticism. Its like asking Sandy to use his athleticism as his major component of being GM. Let these guys use their god given athletic ability and get out of their heads.

  • pepe

    Very well put Dr Dooby

  • Destry

    Agreed. Our pitching hasn’t been very good. The hitting takes the blame, but the pitching staff is just as much if not more at fault considering the park in which they get to pitch in.

  • Guest

    The Yankee fan couldn’t even be civil. I smell panic

  • Destry

    The New York Mets are 5th in runs per game in the NL. Stop blaming the offense. Its the pitching that’s been crappy, especially considering the home stadium in which we play. We are currently 11th in the NL in ERA.

  • Anthony

    With a rolling pin in our hands

  • pepe

    Just read your reply about Wilmer Flores being a triple AAA SS. My reply to you is who backs up Derek Jeter? On your store bought team. Who will replace him next year? That’s right a AAA player. Do me a favor now, Get a glass of water put some drano in it. Let it sit for 3 minutes
    Then drink it tell me what you think!

  • pepe

    Destry, That is a solid point. Good one!

  • DrDooby

    I´ve been trying to make that point for quite a while. The offense has been inconsistent and often has failed to give the pitching margin for error but has scored a sufficient amount of runs overall.

    Had the Mets pitching performed as well as Brewers pitching – not exactly a staff loaded with aces – and gone 23-2 instead of 17-8 in games where the offense scored 4 runs or more, the Mets would be 27-19 and in 1st place in the NL East right now.

    Sandy Alderson´s plan has been about building a strong pitching staff. For now, the Mets in 2011, 2012, 2013 and so far in 2014 have yielded more runs than the NL average team has. In spite of the supposedly hitting detrimental dimensions of CitiField. Yes, the offense has tons of issues but the pitching has actually been the bigger problem this season and over the past 3 years. It´s also the one place where a massive turnaround seems possible within a short period of time. In 2013, the 5 NL teams that gave up the fewest runs all made the playoffs.

  • DrDooby

    This season counts. And the team, manager and front office should know that. Another sub .500 season would be tough to accept and is totally unnecessary. And so far, the Mets have wasted lots of opportunities and have failed to pitch, hit & field in key situations. With a better managerial decision here, a lucky bounce there and better execution the Mets could easily be 25-21 right now. It´s not been a matter of constantly being shut out or blow out. It´s been a matter of not turning that one double play, not executing that one key pitch or driving the ball in that one big spot. It´s truely been a game of inches. Which makes the failures of the Manager even more glaring.

  • DrDooby

    Well, if the gentleman on the other side of the agreement doesn´t deliver, too bad for him. CY has been a regular for over a month and has a sub .300 OBP and sub .700 OPS while playing mediocre defense.

  • pepe

    How is this for a trade. We trade Travis D’Arnaud and Montero to Cubs for P- Smardjin. Then we sign him to an extension for one or two years. To get something, we must give something. I’m not impressed by Travis anyway. Thoughts anyone?

  • Flatbush0460

    If they did tell Collins to play those guys i hope they spoke really slow and didn’t use too many big words.

  • huskyfl

    Amazing! Finally we play the young guys and we win. Enough with tejada, ey jr and cy taking at bats away. We are better than we’ve shown as long as we play the bats who give us the best chance. Hopefully Collins took notice.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    not going to happen. samarja isn’t going to sign a 1 or 2 year extension. Its going to be more like 6 or 7 years.

  • mr1313

    You can’t always look at runs as a measuring stick for success especially in this case teams could have a few big offensive outbursts in 5 games and score nothing in 12 games. I do agree though the pitching has been underwhelming. If TC plays the players he should be playing we should win a tick more.

  • Destry

    Have you been impressed by Recker or Centeno? Have you noticed we have Niese, Gee, Wheeler, Colon, deGrom, Montero & Syndergaard in AAA? Have you heard that the Cubs want a kings ransom? Try starting with Syndergaard, adding TDA and go from there to decide who you want the 3rd and 4th players to be. Choose from Montero, deGrom, Flores, Nimmo & Matz.

  • Destry

    100% agree with you, and I think Terry Collins has a lot to do with us losing those 1 run games. Im may be off a touch, but we lost 25 one run games last year. 25!!!!!! Those terrible in game decisions he makes, and wearing out the bullpen for weeks at a time prove costly in a game that consist of so many close final scores.

  • Destry

    You could say the same thing about the pitching staff, but the simple fact is that we have scored enough runs to be a much better team than 21-25 if the strength of our team is pitching.

  • Destry

    The Mets instantly become a contender when they show Terry COllins the door.

  • Destry

    I agree with you. Im just telling you how it works. If CY doesn’t get his ABs, his agent tell all of the players that he represents that the Mets aren’t true to their word. Those players will be less inclined to sign with the Mets. I think he has had his chance, and hasn’t delivered, but apparently that’s not how things work.

  • Destry

    Ok. Wait a second. Renyolds has never seen a pitch at AAA. What would make you think he is ready to contribute at the major league level? Leathersich can’t throw strikes to AA hitters. He was in AAA last year and got rocked on the rare occasion that he did throw a strike. Black has good stuff, but he also has severe command problems at AAA. One has to think its only gonna become more difficult for him to find the strike zone in the bigs. Dice K has been awesome this year. Not sure what you’ve been watching. You want to send Wheeler & Montero to AAA, and trade Niese, Colon & Gee? That leaves you with a rotation of just Jacob deGrom who has 2 career major league starts, and might end up in the bullpen. None of this makes any sense at all.

  • Destry

    Ahmed Rosario might be the best prospect signed in the entire class year before last, and he also brought in Rafael Montero & another pitcher that currently recovering from TJ surgery that might just be the two best pitchers signed from that class, not to mention Marcos Molina who was ranked as our #10 prospect by baseball America, and Perdo Perez, a 3B with a ton of potential.

  • IndianaMet

    Somebody needs to inform the front office that Spring Training ends on March 30 and all the games after that actually count. It’s like the org took an additional 50+ days to run tryouts with obvious garbage.

  • Destry

    Don’t waste your time Connor. Those guys couldn’t care less about the Mets. They are just here to bash Wright & Sandy. They speak much but know little.

  • Destry

    Kemp? Is that a joke? He has like $150 mil left on his contract and needs to move to LF ASAP. He would hit .140 playing half his games at Citi.

  • Destry

    He is much more comfortable in the 2 hole. Every time we’ve moved him to 3, he goes in a prolonged slump. He changes his approach too much. Its mental, but he needs to stay where he is.

  • RyanF55

    Love me some Mejia! Flores is looking more and more comfortably at SS and the dish so I’m really hoping he keeps building on that.

  • Destry

    Terry Collins is running the show.

  • Mcgrupp81

    Destry, I believe it was a over this past weekend where Gary and Keith spoke of the runs stat. They said something to the effect that in something like 6 games, the Mets had scored like 50 runs and in all the other games, they were averaging less than 3 runs a game. How are you not going to point the finger at the offense with a stat like that? Yes, the pitching has been inconsistent, but its more of a bad month for the pitching while the offense has been weak the entire season thus far.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I can’t wait to see those guys! I love that we are finally starting to get younger.

  • DrDooby

    Again, the Brewers are 24-2 in games where they´ve scored 4 runs or more and 28-20 on the season, in 1st place in the NL Central.

    The Mets are merely 17-8 in games where they´ve scored 4 runs or more and are 21-25 on the season. Had the pitching performed in a similar fashion as the Brewers have in those games, the Mets would be 27-19 and in 1st place in the NL East right now.

    The Brewers have scored 182 runs in 48 games and the Mets have scored 185 runs in 46 games. So this isn´t about the Mets scoring most of their runs in a few select games. The Mets have scored a run total at or above the league average of 4 runs per game in 25 of their 46 games. The Brewers have scored a run total at or above the league average in 26 of their 48 games.

    However, the Mets have also given up 198 runs in 46 games and the Brewers have given up merely 179 runs in 48 games.

    That all shows that the Mets & Brewers have had similarly averagish performances by their offense but one team has had an above average and the other a below average pitching staff for now.

    In reality, the Mets have lost far too many 4-5 type games which could easily have been won 4-3 with better pitching. That´s where the potential for a turnaround rests.

  • DrDooby

    That would be just as helpful a move as starting Wilmer Flores & Juan Lagares over Ruben Tejada and the Young who isn´t playing…

  • Destry

    I disagree. We are scoring the most runs per game in the entire NL on the road. Our team isn’t built to score 6 or 7 runs a game. If anything, by being 5th in runs scored per games, the offense has over achieved. The strength of our team was supposed to our pitching staff. They should be much higher than 11th in ERA out of 15 teams.

  • mr1313

    The Brewers also have a better manager TC probably has lost 6 games for us.

  • Destry

    Yes it would Dooby. Wilmer is not a major league SS, but he is still far and away better than Tejada. I know most people aren’t big fans of Stephen Drew, but if we would’ve signed him, and instead of signing Colon, signed Harang for a 1 year $1mil minor league deal, who wanted to compete for a spot in the rotation with the Mets(Sandy said no), there is a very good chance we would be in first place, with the exact same payroll.

  • DrDooby

    That may well be true, of course.TC has really cost this team a couple of games with poor managing and poor decisions on who to play and who to pitch when.

  • Destry

    I take back anything I said that may have offended you. This post is awesome.

  • DrDooby

    The offense has overachieved in terms of runs expectancy compared to the underlying stats. So, if those were to remain constantly low, the Mets RS average would project to decrease.

    However, considering that offensive production by two key pieces, Granderson & Wright, figures to improve and offensive production from the SS and C positions should also improve, the underlying stats figure to catch up with the RS totals eventually.

    Again, I´m pretty certain the Mets will end up averaging 4 RS per game and thus about 650 RS on the season. While that´s far from very good, it´s far from terrible either. Two NL teams made the playoffs in 2013 with fewer RS.

    However, all 5 NL playoff teams in 2013 gave up fewer than 600 runs on the season. The Mets have averaged roughly 700 runs allowed per season over the past two years and currently are on a pace for 697 runs allowed again in 2014. THAT´s the main problem on the field…

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Without checking I would have assumed that Montero was an Omar signing, so thanks for the clarification…

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Not that we don’t have talent here, but I suspect the comments I was responding to (since deleted) were referring to instant-impact international signings…

  • igotadose

    That catch by Puig… thoughts of Rocky Swoboda, a right fielder laying it all out for the team. Swoboda’s in a way more important game, though 🙂 Still, nice win, but It’s just 1 in a row. See ya, Ruben. Puig doesn’t make that catch and we’re talking about the shot Flores hit to give the Mets another run.

  • Metjorge

    Besides from Murphy’s “here we go again moment” last night’s game was very entertaining to watch, and I think we all agree that it had to do with Campbell, Lagares and Flores being in the lineup and contributing. As I remember last night’s game with joy, I am scared to death about who will be in the lineup tonight. It is such a helpless and sad feeling knowing that Terry will find a way to screw it up again tonight.

  • SinHalo27

    Win or lose it was very entertaining and satisfying to watch that trio perform well and they need to be on the field together as much as possible. With that, let us hope that tonight none of them are riding the pine for EY/CY/Abreu/Tejada.

  • DrDooby

    Doubt it. While Tejada was awful and Drew is much better, he´s certainly not worth an extra 6 wins over a 46 game stretch.

    As for Harang, his bubble is currently bursting. And by the end of the season, Colon should have far better totals than Harang – in spite of Harang being backed by a very strong defense.

    There was nothing wrong with the Colon signing. And there was nothing wrong with the Granderson signing either. And really, with a payroll currently projected to end up being around 85 million, there really were no financial reasons either not to sign Stephen Drew at a cost of 12 million $ or so. It just seems that the FO didn´t think Drew was worth that kind of investment over, say, 3 years with an opt-out after year 1.

  • DrDooby

    If the Mets are offering the most money, I´m pretty sure that´ll be the most convincing argument as always…
    And it´s not as if CY hasn´t received extended playing time when healthy. He just hasn´t performed. And not only hasn´t he hit, his fielding – previously part of his value – has looked very pedestrian too.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I have Collins at 5 losses so far and holding.

    He hasnt added to in a couple weeks.

  • Nmartz

    You’re a genius.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Campbell is the new flavor of the month. I am glad the kid is doing well but let us wait before proclaiming him an everyday starter. He had nice stats in Vegas but that means little (notice Satin hitting like.370 there). Thus far he produced and is a line drive hitter which is made for Citi Field. However, let us see what the league does when the report get around on him.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Pretty friendly schedule for the next two weeks. Arizona played as bad as you can against the Mets last month. Looking forward to another three game sweep.

  • SCarton12

    The dodgers have Puig, Ramirez, Gonzalez, Kemp and Crawford in their line-up and Kershaw and Greinke in their rotation. Their record is barely over .500. How does Mattingly still have a job?

  • SCarton12

    The starters have been fine, the BP is the problem (horribly inconsistent).

  • Fast Eddie

    I agree, they have been getting David out by pitching him low and away. Wright has always hit best when he was willing to hit to RF. Early in the season Wright seemed to be trying to muscle pitches to LF. I hope he has finally abandoned that approach.

    Veloz

  • Taskmaster4450

    Notice how the calls for trading for Kemp died down. Injuries are taking the toll on the guy yet many fans on here were willing to trade the ranch to get him.

    Fans too often focus on the name and believe that a big name will automatically reproduce what he did elsewhere.

  • SCarton12

    Look at the Yankees; their offense has been average(at best) their starters (other than Tanaka) have been horrible their BP has been lights out all year, they’re tied for first.

  • Rocky Thompson

    While I agree that it is too early to proclaim Campbell an everyday starter, he bring a lot to the table than make him a better bench player than Satin. Campbell is a better defender, he plays more positions , he is a faster baserunner and he has a simpler swing which helps when not receiving consistent ABs.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I agree he is a better option than Satin. My point is people are saying he needs to be in LF or 1B everyday. The guy has 25 ABs or so in the majors. Yet people on here have their new flavor.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Destry,

    Which comes from the thought process……

    “We want to do damage in the middle of the plate.”

    “If he doesn’t give you that pitch? We’re walking to first base.”

    ….. which when one thinks of it sounds like he is taking lessons from Sandy Alderson in the art of the doubletalk. As we know, pitches not in the middle of the plate does not mean that they are also outside the plate and are balls that thus leads one to walk to first base.

    Do you think that is why so many confuse what he is preaching with that of plate discipline in the sense that they feel he is talking about laying off pitches outside the strike zone when it is really certain type pitches that are WITHIN the strike zone?

    Later on, at least the discussion turns to not balls and strikes but pitch selection, which we have already pointed out in detail just how counterproductive this approach based not on the art of hitting but on statistical analysis is…….

    “He tracks whether how many pitches his players see, what type of pitches, whether they swing at balls, whether they make hard contact and how the at-bat finished. He pays special attention to whether hitters go ahead or behind early in the count, whether they go 1-2 or 2-1.

    “He uses his charts for reference when diagnosing slumps. “And most of the time,” Hudgens said, “the problem is going out of the zone.”

    “He snatched a piece of paper and drew a plate. The surface is 17 inches wide. He shaved off the outer two inches on each side. He tells his players, in general, they hit .200 on those outer edges. “We want to hit these 13 inches in the middle,” he said.

    “On Monday night, Daniel Murphy offered at a 1-1 changeup on the outside. The pitch was probably a strike. No matter. When Murphy came back to the dugout, Hudgens pulled him aside for a refresher course in “the one area he needs to make progress on.”

    “”He will get some hits on that (pitch) — because he’s a good hitter,” Hudgens said. “But he’s not going to do any damage on it. And early in the count, 1-1 is early, you want damage.””

    ……. because in addition to the points I raised, another is as you so aptly put it,: “the outer part of the zone in which they were hitting .200, they are now hitting .000.”

    Guess there is the need once more to attach the interview.
    http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2012/03/mets_hitting_coach_dave_hudgen_1.html

  • Mike B

    Good points, but it’s a little splicing and dicing. They are 19th in runs by the offense, and are 28th in BA. But they are only 9-17 in Saves/Save Opps, so that’s one spot they can improve. I’d say both need improvement, and I do see both improving. Sit CY, play Lagares and Soup, and EY sometimes, sit Duda vs lefties, and now with Meija, Dice K and the young arms, both will get better. I’m optimistic, but the experiment with CY should be done, and Flores should be the SS. I’d also move Reynolds to AAA. He’s killing it at Binghamton, at .352. If Flores falters, no going back to Q or Tejada. We can’t afford blown saves, nor CY batting 4th, if anywhere. I’d cut CY, put on waivers, bite the bullet, and bring up someone who could help, like denDekker. He still K’s a bit much, but .370 his last 10 games, though 0 for his last 6. I think you build a winner one player at a time. But IMO, the first move is subtracting CY. That’s addition by subtraction. To some extent, it’s been done with Soup. But why not add another bat who can help?

  • Russ

    Great stat breakdown. The disheartening stat is a mere 20 runs given up between the two staffs is worth 7 victories.

  • Russ

    The mets home road splits are absolutely night and day. They are a better team on the road right now.

  • While I share your passion regarding this team, I cannot share your optimism or outlook. Even if the afore mentioned players click, where everyone produces to potential, they are still missing a bat or two and an arm or two before they’d become a true treat to reach the playoffs. As I’ve read this blog and others over the past few years, I notice that many fans try to compare these rebuilding seasons to successful ones from the Mets past. The early 1980’s always seem to crop up during discussion. Is this year like 1983, when we were introduced to Straw, or is this year like 1984 when we started really seeing the pieces come together? To be honest, I can’t see any correlation. I feel that this team closely resembles 1997-98 or 2004-05 only without the proper leadership running the team.

  • Destry

    Well, you would have to factor in that the Braves wouldn’t have Harang, and also if one of the 4 additional wins Drew & Harang would’ve provided thus far came against the Braves, we would be in first place. Colon -0.5 Tejada -0.6

  • Joey D.

    Hi DrD.,
    Agree, the offense has been very inconsistent but that it is has not been sufficient overall.
    I re-posted a lengthy comment I made three days to Destry in his nicely written article about the offense overall being anemic and that it was literally just a handful of games that caused their run production to be over-exaggerated. If you get a chance could you take a look at it and let me know your thoughts? Always enjoy our back and forth debates from the opposite sides of the fence.
    As mentioned to Destry, I think the pitching will work itself out and that will not be our biggest concern. But if it has been over-valued, then we are in real trouble because our offense in turn has not been under-valued at the same time.
    Hey, gotta get back to work – office closing down early and you guys have been distracting me enough already! LOL

  • Connor O’Brien

    I don’t know. I don’t think we can say he’s got little power left after six weeks. He should continue to hit the same way he has his whole career and then reassess after the season IMO.
    He is barely over 30, not exactly the crippled old man many make him out to be.

  • Connor O’Brien

    That’s the problem. We don’t know exactly what the deal is inside the organization. What the fans think and what is actually taught in the minors may be different (and I’ll look into that this summer).

  • DrDooby

    Hi Joey D.,

    the offense clearly has been undervalued. Yes, it has been inconsistent and yes, it´s not very good. But it´s not terrible either. The Mets have scored 185 runs in 46 games – right about 4 runs per game on average. They have scored 4 runs or more in 25 of their games – the majority of games – and as often as the 1st place Brewers in the NL Central. It´s a middle of the pack offense that could have been better with smarter decisions by the manager (maybe with or without consent of the FO) of who to play and who to sit. It appears, someone has learned though.
    Going forward, the Mets can expect better production from Wright & Granderson and very likely from Flores at SS over Tejada. It´d be nice to get d´Arnaud going and keep Lagares this hot. Murphy is pretty much doing what he always does. Duda / Campbell figures to be a mediocre but not terrible 1b combo. And LF may be mix & match of the Youngs. Overall, an averagish offense with some depth but little upside to become above average without external help.

    Meanwhile, the pitching has allowed way too many runs – almost 4.3 runs per game so far in 2014. That´s too many. The Mets staff is on pace to allow 697 runs right now. By allowing 60

  • DrDooby

    …by allowing 600 runs or less, the Mets would probably be playoff bound if they merely scored their current pace of 648 runs. Unfortunately, we may have to wait for that another year and even as it is, merely allowing 650 would qualify as major progress compared to the 685+ RA totals of 2013, 2012 and 2011.

    The Mets will go as far as their pitching takes them. That is true for 2014 and figures to be true for 2015 as well.
    Average offense + …. ?
    a) below average pitching => well below .500
    b) average pitching => .500ish
    c) above average pitching => well above .500 and possibly playoff bound
    d) great pitching => World Series caliber team

    b) would be the minimal goal for 2014 and it better be c) for 2015 and preferably d) by 2016 at the very latest.

  • Destry

    Agreed 100%. Let me know the inside scoop brother. Can’t wait to hear from ya

  • I love stories like yours, of the early Mets. I truly envy that you were able to see Mays in his prime. And you’re right, Lagares has shown the knack for getting clutch hits. I love watching him play, and I feel that Flores might possess similar intangibles that can’t be found in stats, but seen on the playing field.

  • Joey D.

    Hi DrD,

    Ah, but again, that is why we can’t just use stats as a judgement because there are some glaring holes as a team that is undermining the overall run scoring which we see with our eyes. As mentioned in my summary three days ago, we can take stats to make them justify any type cause. I gave an example to make my case before going onto more definitive answers comparing home and road performances.

    So lets look into deeper observation to show that if we just stand still with our hitting as it is, this indeed has already and is going to continuing hindering our ability to score runs.

    Remember over the winter our debate regarding my assertion that Duda/Davis at first and CY in left as every day players were going to contribute tremendously to the Mets overall inability to hit right handed pitching? This has proven true through the first quarter of the season despite the left handed bats of Murphy and resurgent left handed Granderson in May along with David still able to get base hits though just not for extra bases – all three whom I cited as being the only three valid bats in the Mets lineup to begin with (great surprise with Juan).

    Last year two out of every three games were started by right handed pitching. This season it is three out of every four. As a team, the Mets face right handers for the entire game that same three times as often as opposed to a left hander. They hit just .220 against them with a .294 OBP while against left handed pitching they up that to a solid .276 and .343. But they only bat against left handers 25 percent of the time.

    We obviously cannot cite runs scored and batted in because of too many interdependent factors, however, with the majority of plate appearances against right handed pitching, the “probabilities” of creating situations to which they either get on base or come through to drive in runs is greatly diminished and this is what we are seeing quite often.

    And what is also of greater interest is the hitting philosophy. We see that the Mets appear to be better when they attack more often on the first pitch and this I obviously had to go more into stats to “quantify’ what I felt I was observing.

    What I found was their hitting .245 when swinging at the first pitch which is 15 points higher than if they take it. OK, that is not a big difference. But if they take the first pitch and it is a strike, just like I mentioned to Connor, the advantage goes way in favor of the pitcher no matter what the count is after that. Yes, they take the first pitch three out four times and though they hit for a higher average after a 1-0 count, in 1,602 plate appearances when the first pitch does not result in a batted ball, they find themselves ahead of the count only 45% of the time – hence, the pitcher getting the advantage more often than not and the team overall not causing the eventual “damage” that Alderson and Hudgens profess the stats show otherwise.

    Batting average 1-0 count (719 plate appearances): .241
    Batting average 0-1 count (883 plate appearances): .210

    Slugging percentage when taking first pitch (1,330 plate appearances): 339 Slugging percentage when swinging at first pitch (451 plate appearances): .385
    Home runs when taking first pitch (1,330 plate appearances): 21
    Home runs when swinging at first pitch (451 plate appearances): 11

    Even the ratio of walks is less:

    Walks when taking first pitch (1,330 plate appearances): 110
    Walks when swinging at first pitch (451 plate appearances): 42

    All this because the team is taking that first strike on the outside corner? Well, as I said, stats could be deceiving so I will not use the above to state my case about the two major obstacles that I said were going to – and are – preventing us from winning. Of course, I will not swear by them – there are so many variables of the games between the games that these stats are only good for general reference. But they make a case for what my good old non-cataract filled eyeballs see on 1080i up-converted to 1080p high definition television with Ron, Keith and Bobby O’s propaganda coming through in total Dolby Digital sound!

    Oh, BTW – here is something much simpler that kind of shows we have anemic hitting. Since we went 15-11 we have gone 6-14 over 20 games. In ten of those 14 losses, we scored three runs or less (half those games) despite Grandy coming around, David raising his average and Murphy being consistent (the three I mentioned).

    That’s mind boggling when one thinks of it. As I mentioned, stats could be quite deceptive. For the 20 games played in May the Mets average 3.95 runs per games, as you said, about even with the league. Yet half those games they scored three runs or less. And in another two – against the Yankees in that band box known as Yankee Stadium with the advantage of the designated hitter – they scored 21. Take those two away and the Mets average 3.22 per game. Give them the average four runs per game instead of 10.5 and that brings it to 3.30 per game.

    Remember what I said what a difference two games could make? Still think the Met hitting has been undervalued? Many of us contend the stats simply over-exaggerates it instead. Ah, DrD., I’m sure you’ll give me the stats to say it is still undervalued nevertheless! Don’t let me down. LOL

    Hey, hope you and the family have a wonderful three day holiday with with each other. Mary Jane and I hope to get to dine outdoors if the weather holds up and relax.

  • DrDooby

    Hi Joey D.,
    hope you had a nice dinner….
    As for the offense, we´re totally on board that it´s not good, that it hasn´t been good and that it probably won´t be good the way it is structured.
    Though I do believe that it´ll improve somewhat with Flores & Lagares playing every day and Wright & Granderson stabilizing.
    We can also agree that Chris Young does not look good. While he was worth a flyer imho, he has been disappointing. Not only offensively but most of all defensively. And Lucas Duda has remained a mediocre player too. LF & 1b remain two areas where the Mets could use a serious upgrade eventually.
    Though I´m quite happy the Mets didn´t listen to some posters who were upset when Daniel Murphy wasn´t turned into Prince Fielder last winter…
    But while the offense has been inconsistent and mediocre overall, the pitching has been the main culprit in the lack of success. Sure, it´s mostly been mediocre too and not terrible. But the path to contention for this Mets team clearly is going to be about having one of the strongest pitching staffs in the NL. For now, the Mets have had a bottom half in the league pitching staff for several straight seasons. Zack Wheeler, Jenrry Mejia, Jake deGrom, Jeurys Familia and Rafael Montero are the keys for this team when it comes to the rest of this season. And along with Matt Harvey & Noah Syndergaard going forward too. That´s what´ll make or break this team. Not whether Lucas Duda ends up with a .750 OPS or 775 OPS or whether Chris Young or Eric Young will be in LF the rest of the way.

  • Joey D.

    Hi DrD,

    Dinner to come LOL,

    We’re on the same wave length in many ways.

    I too have been upset about the pitching not keeping up it’s end of the bargain as we were talking about over the winter. Whereas I was looking for it to improve as it was progressing, it got worse. The main culprits to date have been in two starters – Wheeler and Colon – for Gee and Niese have more than held up their share. Mejia did not have what it took to pitch through to the middle innings but with those young arms in deGrom and Montero I think we will be alright – we will just have to give them time to develop as we will Thor – but that is what being a fifth starter can afford.

    As 2013 ended I felt we had put together a nucleus of a nice bullpen. But there was the unsure status of the bullpen known by the front office that we were aware of.

    There was real concern with the health of Parnell – not with the unexpected loss to Tommy John surgery but that with his recovery from neck surgery. On top of that, we did not know we were going to lose Hawkins because Sandy did not want to pay him $2.5 million. That’s the all important eighth and ninth inning guys.

    Despite hesitations surrounding Black, many of us saw him having a less crucial role than was suddenly planned after we lost LaTroy. That’s when things changed. We were hesitant about how effective he could be as a set-up man despite his good showing in September due to his wildness that had buried him in the Pirate organization and what the evaluations showed were major flaws in his mechanics. We did not go by the hype being spun by the organization as many others did thus the sudden concern about his role changing from a possible middle or late inning relief guy to Hawkins’ replacement.

    So with Parnell reaching our worst fears and no Hawkins, our pen suddenly was altogether different and thus why we left St. Lucie with actually no Black at all and the Lannens, Farnsworths and Valverdes instead. Yes, in February Sandy made a two year offer to Balfour which would have only backfired on us more for he had already not passed a physical to the satisfaction of the Orioles so what we see of his performance to date should not be totally unexpected.
    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/24/grant-balfour-says-hes-100-percent-healthy-after-orioles-failed-physical-cost-him-3-million/
    Which has to make one again wonder about the wisdom of the baseball think tank to spend millions on yet another pitcher with injury problems discarded by others. Hadn’t they learned their lesson already from the Marcums of the world?

    And of course, there is still the disappointment to date of Wheeler who shows he has the “stuff” but has not demonstrated he has the potential to “execute” as well as we’ve seen with the small examples from Montero and deGrom to date. Same with d’Arnaud with his struggles at the plate.

    The lesson to all this is that one cannot simply depend on so much raw talent to fill in so many holes to “rebuild” and is better depending a more realistic balance consisting of a more limited dependence on prospect and attempting to fill the remaining holes with established performances whom have proved they can be expected to be reliable. Otherwise, start completely over and let the kids come up and play and expect many, many years of wandering in the desert – not two or three years as publicly spun.