MMO Game Recap: Marlins 3, Mets 0

giancarlo stanton

The problem with throwing away two games in three days, first a 6-0 lead on Saturday, and then a 3-0 lead last night, is that a night like tonight comes, when the opposing pitcher is good enough to pitch a shutout. Bartolo Colon started out shaky, but found his way through seven innings, but three runs were all the Marlins would need to beat the Mets 3-0 and take the second straight game of a three-game series. The Mets have not scored a run in 14 consecutive innings.

The Marlins jumped on Colon in the first inning. After Derek Dietrich was hit by a pitch, Giancarlo Stanton doubled him home, then Casey McGehee would drive in Stanton, and before you could adjust your radio dial or settle into your couch, it was 2-0 Marlins.

Neither team would pose much of a threat through the next several innings until the Marlins added a run in the fifth on a string of two-out hits, McGehee, once again, getting the run-producing hit to drive in Dietrich.

Daniel Murphy was the Mets lone offensive bright spot. He had two hits, continuing what has been an impressive road trip for him at the plate.

The star of the game was without a doubt the Marlins starter Henderson Alvarez. He pitched a complete game shutout, striking out seven Mets along the way, allowing only six hits, and walking none.

The Mets will look to avoid the sweep tomorrow with Zack Wheeler facing Tom Koehler.

Mets Marlins WE 5.6

Key Play

It only took one long hit by Giancarlo Stanton to give the Marlins enough runs to win this one.

Stanton Double

Mets Starter Focus

Bartolo Colon

Outside of the first inning, Colon pitched well. As the graphic below shows, he traded line drives for fly balls, but avoided giving up the long ball, which has plagued him early this season. He threw strikes consistently, particularly with his secondary pitches. He relied more on his slider than his two-seam sinker. Overall, Alvarez was just better than him tonight, which is why he lost.

Colon 5.6

Win Probability Chart courtesy of FanGraphs. Detailed pitching data courtesy of Brooks Baseball.

Presented By Diehards

  • CJM

    I think they should work out a trade for a great outfielder. Either Stanton, Trout, or McCutchen–whoever come cheapest. Maybe they can package together something like Murphy, deGrom, and Plawecki to get the conversation started.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Ah Bartolo! Ah humanity!

  • MikeBedlam

    Game recap:

    – YOU GET PAID TO HIT THE BALL, HIT THE DAMN BALL!!!!
    – AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
    – Very frustrating, to say the least.
    – The above does not apply to Murphy or Lagares.
    – Bartolo settled in nicely. Almost looked like he was pissed. Could he also be frustrated at the lack of offense? Hmmmm….
    – EY is almost as impressive a pinch hitter as he is a leadoff hitter.
    – Please don’t get swept tomorrow.

  • jimmy705

    Sorry, we can’t include deGrom in that deal. Our pitching is too valuable.

    /s

  • Metfan9876

    I’m sorry but that package is worth nowhere near what those 3 would command in a trade. Plus, it makes no sense for any of those clubs to trade away those guys.

  • Bobby O

    Acc. to Ackert tonite and Mets asst. GM John Ricco in the article who said we’re probably weeks away from calling up deGrom or Montero or Walters to help out in the pen but the final decision will rest with Sandy.

  • billpulsipher

    they should be HOURS AWAY from promoting them, not weeks…but they are gutless cowards afraid of super 2

  • Bobby O

    I also think Wilmer for SS is on his way too.

  • did you know he’s 1/2 latino? True story

  • MikeBedlam

    Personally, I’d rather they traded for a great shortstop. I don’t believe that they’d bench any of the current OFs for a different player. You CAN’T bench Lagares and it’s very unlikely they bench the multi-millionaires playing the corners.

    A great SS would fill an organizational hole, as a real solution might not even exist anywhere in the system. Add the fact that they actually seem to have some decent OF prospects and it makes even more sense.

    Note: To address the elephant in the room (Flores); Even if he sees some time playing SS at the MLB level, I highly doubt they view him as a long-term answer to that problem. Flores is either our 2B-of-the-not-too-distant-future or another teams 3B or 2B that we haven’t traded yet. I don’t see the FO throwing all of these young arms out there with suspect middle infield defense.

    Just my opinion, of course.

  • BronxMets

    David Wright you did not hit the ball well. You are fooling yourself. And stop talking like a mouse and start talking like a man.

  • Bobby O

    BTW, acc. to Diamond about 15 min. ago, Mejia has reversed course and said he would be willing to close for the Mets if asked.

  • CJM

    Is David not manly enough for you?

  • BCleveland3381

    Thank god I had softball tonight.

  • Alwayzamazin

    nice recap Jeffrey!

  • George_Theodore

    He said he was OK with being 8th or 9th inning guy cause he would know when he was going to be in the game.. concerned because of injury history.. didn’t want to be middle relief guy, and with TC managing I don’t blame him.. I can live with that & if he doesn’t go deep in his next few starts, sounds like a plan!

  • BronxMets

    psycho fan is here tonight

  • MikeBedlam

    I would venture a guess that your team plays better offense than our Amazin’s.

  • Flatbush0460

    OK Yankee poser, keep talking.

  • George_Theodore

    which half?

  • BronxMets

    such an amateur you must be a met blogger for 5 minutes if you don’t know ho I am ………..don’t embarrass yourself.

  • the good half if you ask DontBBlockin, the no work ethic half if you ask what DontBBlockin thinks about his critics

  • HarveyKsYou

    To be fair, his first two at bats he lined the ball hard so.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    Boy I got lucky. I went to my insurance agent to renew my pick em up truck insurance and he gave me a 20% discount. I said thanks but what for? He said who the hell would steal a truck with a Mets license plate? Even crooks have their standards!

  • elsid1986

    Hard to win with 3 automatic outs in the lineup.

  • CJM

    It’s fine. I understand you like your favorite team to be stacked with burly specimens of sheer masculinity. Of course Wright speaking like a mouse rubs you the wrong way.

  • NewYorkMammoths
  • jaypayton

    Alderson is a fu*king idiot. He has proved once again he has no clue how to build a team

  • George_Theodore

    he made manly outs!

  • you guys you sound like, how you say, morons.

  • BronxMets

    what did he do his last two at bats with men on…………hitting a line drive at someone is nothing

  • I think he’s more than a bit upset that David doesn’t rub him the right way. Baby.

  • Martin

    guys look over here, its this guy!

  • BronxMets

    Smackkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

  • BronxMets

    oh another idiot that tries to frame an argument that doesn’t exist……enjoy arguing with yourself.

  • by now… why the hell not? Send Q down if he’ll take it or cut him. Flores starting with Tejada backing him up can’t be any worse overall than Tejada starting and Q backing HIM up

  • BronxMets

    Colon and who are the other 2?

  • jeez dude, chill.

  • David Wright and Lag… I mean EY! EY!

  • where have I heard this phrase used to describe the FO before. Gutless cowards… doesn’t make much sens… oh, hi trevordunn! How you been?!

  • CJM

    This loss is TC’s fault. When the hell is he gonna learn that Eric Young Jr. needs to play every day? They win when EYJ plays.

  • Dan Bahr

    …or with only 6 hits.

  • $14435385

    Add Syndergaard and Wheeler and they might just laugh rather than immediately hanging up the phone on you.

    Trout is signed for life and McCutchen is signed through 2018, and both are franchise players in their prime (or before for Trout, which is a scary thought). They’re going nowhere.

    Stanton won’t go anywhere this year, because there’s no reason for Loria to deal him yet. And if (not when, because Loria’s an impulsive wacko with a ton of money who is capable of anything, including extending Stanton) he gets traded, Loria can basically sit back and collect offers from every team. It will take the best of the best of prospects – think Oscar Taveras territory, and likely several of them – to land Stanton.

  • Jack

    Mets 2015 Rotation: Harvey, Syndergaard, Wheeler, Niese, and Gee

    Pen:

    Closer – Parnell

    Mejia, Montero, deGrom, Black etc.

    Not a bad pitching staff!

    Ill still give Mejia more starts though this season

  • goorru

    Oppo Taco anyone? nope

  • CJM

    I don’t know man. With Murphy you get a guy who should be an all-star second baseman. Plawecki can become an all-star catcher. And deGrom an all-star pitcher. Would you trade one all-star for three? I would.

  • CJM

    Why would you put Montero in the pen?

  • Jack

    Still waiting for our first big league one! Come on Travis!

  • Jack

    You put him in the rotation if Gee or Niese isnt traded. You shouldn’t have a 6 man rotation.

  • CJM

    Then Wheeler should go to the pen. He doesn’t have the control or the ability to go deep into games.

  • sperry

    My only response to games like today is whatever

  • Jack

    All the young guys will be ready next year so we dont need to worry bout the old guys pitching lol. Mets are still in this season. You can have Montero and deGrim up and Black as well.

  • elsid1986

    You could have a rotation of Seaver, Ryan, Koosman, Gooden and Darling all in their prime. And that team still won’t win because the lineup sucks.

  • elsid1986

    so what? They still can’t hit.

  • elsid1986

    Tejada and TDA.

  • Jack

    That’s a possibility. I doubt the mets will ever trade him though, plus he is Sandy’s first big possession for the Mets so he could be reluctant to trade him. He is still young though and He does have a lot of potential though.

  • elsid1986

    My son’s 9 year old travel team is better offensively

  • CJM

    I didn’t say they should trade him. I said Wheeler should go to the pen before Montero.

  • Jack

    Lol, they gotta trade some pitching for big line drive hitters and spend money on big FAs. Mets have the pitching depth to trade pitchers for hitting.

  • estoy papi chulo para ti, primo

  • Jack

    We still haven’t seen Montero pitch yet though in the Bigs. We know he has great command but i don’t think he has the velocity Wheeler has. Give Wheeler time to find his command and efficiency.

  • mad met

    Amen

  • what’s there to defend? Dude is on pace to have one of the best offensive careers a 3B has ever had in the history of baseball. Sorry he’s batting .270 in early May.

  • mad met

    I count four tehada tda grandy pitcher ??

  • Bobby O

    Geez, David is just 31 years old and right now has just 1 HR in app. 140 PA. What’s it going to be like for David when he’s 33 or 34 yrs. old?

  • Jack

    In the 80s they used to be Yankee jokes.

  • Jack

    I know right. I guess he needs a juggernaut lineup to get homers to hit like he had in 06 and 07. Its surprising cause he does have power

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    JV1 should’ve had t-shirts made like this.

  • NeedNewOwners

    Davey is the ultimate rally killer. How many big hits has the Captain had over the years. Not many, that’s for sure. If he wants to play on a winner, maybe just for one season he should play like a winner.

  • KMO82

    This lineup needs a jolt, time to call up Flores. tejada has not one skill that can help this team offensively. Can’t hit, can’t hit for power, can’t run, can’t bunt, he doesn’t even get good leads or run the bases well. Put Flores out there for the next six weeks till after the draft and reassess. I’d promote Tovar to AAA as well.

  • mad met

    Your not even close add in thor and smith and they might talk

  • NeedNewOwners

    Another miserable night. Did anybody else know the game was over in the first inning at 2-0, or was it just me?

  • CJM

    You guys are underrating Murphy.

  • goorru

    Why would JV have a shirt with d’Arnaud on it? 😛

  • mad met

    What great ss are you thinking about other then tulu where is there a difference maker

  • jimmy705

    This site can be such a rabbit hole that I can’t tell who’s snarking and when!

  • Waz0787

    Lmfao

  • Bail4Nails

    Gary Cohen said something awesome during the Game tonight. After Macghee (spelling?) hit yet another Line Drive up the middle, Cohen said: “the Mets could learn a thing from these Marlins. They play in similar parks, and these guys just swing for Line Drives straight up the middle.” I’m paraphrasing, but I thought it was a great critique by Gary against the Sabre Management overthinking the sh** out of Hitting.

  • Matt Mosher

    Sandy Alderson doesn’t know a thing about hitting.

  • Hotstreak

    Crooked Numbers: Per Rubin:

    *Mets agreed to pay trustee 80 M in two installments 2016 and 2017.
    *Harvey cannot be a free agent until after the 2018 season,

    *Commitmenrts to Wright and Grandy (thru 2018) further aged

    *Looks like no cash flow for team.

    *Ironic crooked number of 80 M is more than current payroll.

    *Probably no more loans. Yes current loans refinanced but still due.

    In the form of a new $250 million loan which will refinance an existing loan that had a massive principal payment looming early this year. The interest payments will remain about where they were before but (a) no principal payment will be due for seven years; and (b) payroll restrictions built in to the current loan will be gone.

    *Over leveraged but how about that farm. When will the cash cow come to NY Mets.

  • billpulsipher

    keep dreaming. Parnell off tj surgery and neck surgery will be lucky if he can throw over 86 mph…garbage lineup. garbage bullpen. horrible GM

  • I think his point is that most of them should be looking to hit line drives back through the box rather than swinging for the fences.

  • Hotstreak

    Most of them should swing period.

  • Hotstreak

    Be an albrotrose contract like Jason Bay and Grandy.

  • prosoundz

    Baseball gods if you are listening, please give me

    Profar
    Syndergaard
    Montero
    deGrom
    Puello
    Flores
    Andrew Brown

    And take away:

    Duda
    Tejada
    Gee
    Niese
    Young (both of them)

    Thanks. 🙂

  • Profar?? How??

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Bit harsh. I understand the Tejada hate but Duda, Niese, Gee, and Chris Young? Then you want Andrew Brown?????

  • prosoundz

    Flores at SS for 6 weeks. Trade Gee and/or Niese for Profar. Flores to 1B for the next few years. Trust me we won’t miss Gee or Niese, when Syndergaard and Montero and deGrom get the call.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    I know I’m in the minority on this but I’d rather get Alan Henson from the Pirates but I doubt they’ll deal with us anytime soon.

  • prosoundz

    More like Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, deGrom, Montero. With dice K in the fold as insurance and a couple of other throw in arms.

    Mejia as the closer.

    Torres, German, and a couple of reliable Joe Nathan type signings should be the agenda next offseason.

    Gee AND Niese traded for players like Profar and Sardinas i’d take one for both right now. We are desperate. We can supplement the pitching we can’t supplement the hitting.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Matt,

    I think it should be apparent to everyone now that Sandy is not the baseball mind that some made him out to be. When asked that of Mike Francesa this afternoon, Francesa pointed out to the three highly paid former general managers working under him (not sure if all three were GMs – I think one was either an assistant or GM pro tem). Same situation as it was in Oakland.

    As mentioned in another thread, Sandy is the one in charge and was hired for his managerial skills and discipline. Unfortunately, Sandy does not have the wisdom to recognize his own shortcomings at least when it comes to understanding baseball at it’s highest level and so he demands others adhere to his way of looking at matters related to baseball in terms of probabilities – which represents a very shallow knowledge of the game for one with such authority.

    And so yes, while he doesn’t know a thing about hitting, he thinks he obviously does to be able to go on television and tell the fans the reason for the Mets drop in run production in the second half of 2012 was because there was a drop in their PPPA and that resulted in us getting on base less often. And last year when Ike Davis was in his slump, Sandy was encouraged because he was getting his walks.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Dunno. Gee and Niese look good now and are doing it in the Majors. That’s a ton of pitching you’re giving up for unknowns, albeit pretty good ones.

  • Hotstreak

    51’s in progress

    http://www.milb.com/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2014_05_06_lvgaaa_slcaaa_1&mode=gameday

    Flores double and hr. and Centeno and Dystra hrs so far.

    Flores did have a throwing error at SS. Who cares we need offense. Play him at 1B. See how DW is hindering 3B for Flores.

    Campbell 2 hits BA .331 looks like a call up for Satin. Met have so many 3b and 2B and no SS

  • Ted Danson

    Comical isn’t it.

  • prosoundz

    Sometimes you gotta give up alot to get back what you need. Even if Gee and Niese go on to be CY Young winners I’d say getting Profar, Syndergaard, Montero and deGrom on the team is worth it.

  • prosoundz

    Who the fu ck is Ike Davis?

  • Joey D.

    Hi Jeffrey,

    Over the winter so many of us were saying the Mets had to address their hitting problems and the answers in return were so often was the simple explanation that great pitching and defense wins ball games and that the hitting was better because it a) suffered the end of the year because Byrd was traded and David was injured and b) the addition of Granderson and CY and Travis having a full season meant our hitting was going to improve in 2014.

    Remember the statistical analysis to quantify such expectations? The Pirates were used as a comparison. A little bit more run scoring and they showed what a club with modest run production could do with great pitching and defense, the two areas in which Sandy Alderson was having his people focus on.

    But the Met run production was not like that of Pittsburgh and the stats did not quantify the diminishing hitting performance we saw occurring as the season progressed. Starting off the season and playing a series of games under winter-type conditions, the Mets were averaging more than five and a half runs a game for their first 19 contests. After that, they managed an average three and a half their remaining 143 games. The Pirates started off slowly in the scoring department those first 19 games, however, for the same remaining 143 games they averaged a little over four per game. So both, the Mets and the Pirates hitting went in different directions after that small stretch at the beginning. But that small stretch caused the Mets to go down more than two runs per contest while with Pittsburgh it created a modest raise of about a third of a run more per game.

    And when the Mets played their best streak of ball (30-22) it was when every one of their hitters got hot at the same time sans Davis. It would have been better if a combination of some hitting as expected, some being hot and some being cold. But not all getting hot all at once.

    So even if our pitching developed to the point that it could match that of Pittsburgh, it had a long way to go before it could resemble that of the Pirates run scoring capability. Granderson added more power in lieu of Byrd but with a lot more strikeouts and a much lower batting average that would prevent more big inning rallies than his home runs would create. Travis was not going to have the powerful hot streaks like Buck. CY was still going to be a poor hitter against right handed pitching and add to the strikeouts. And by striking out so much, we were not going to be able to stretch out a run or so all that often.

    In other words, while pitching and defense wins games, the lack of run production also loses games and that was a point not taken into account by many and not looked at in practical terms when it came to the Mets and their advanced stats being used for projection.

    This is going to be a rude introduction to major league life for Thor and Montero this coming summer.

  • Metropolitan

    Bartolo Colon looking like another one of Sandy’s pitching busts…with a hefty 5.65 era,good thing Sandy got him locked up for another year and he also we got that bum corporal wright for another 5 years or so..GREAT work Sandy ..I need to get a job like his where you can keep raking in tons a dough and not be held accountable for your poor job performance

  • prosoundz

    Gee AND Niese. Bold move but necessary. Sorry but if that’s what it’ll take than has to be done. Gee is gonna get expensive and if Niese makes the deal happen than so be it. Gee himself isn’t getting Profar and not willing to give up Montero, deGrom or Syndergaard.

  • Lotus1209

    Flores with another homer. The kid is officially on fire.

  • prosoundz

    Lol. Brown has power and is a better hitter. And he would be the RH power bat off the bench. Duda is useless. Niese can be replaced. Chris Young = Puello. We need to get something for him.

  • prosoundz

    I don’t hate Niese or Duda. It’s just they are in the way of the REAL talent like Flores, Montero, Syndergaard. and others.

  • Jlzumpano

    The Mets could easily and should easily be in first place right now. Blowing that 5-1 lead against the Marlins was pathetic, but then losing a 6-0 lead against the Rockies was just unforgivable. 8 runs in one inning, you’ve gotta be kidding me. This is the breaking point for the Mets. The time to decide if they’re going to finally move forward and fight for divisional relevancy, or have yet another failure of a season where they started off looking formidable and then fell into the abyss. I really can’t take another 2008 season where every time we gain a lead, it is not probable, but expected that the bullpen will cough it up. I mean seriously, how many chances are we going to give these guys? If we still have an identical relief team in a month, it’ll be a sign of the lack of interest this team has in winning. Even with the shameful ball this team has been playing as of late, it’s surprisingly not too late to turn the season around and play like winners. I so badly want that to happen, but of course this team is not winning back my trust that easily. I’m expecting nothing here Mets, please surprise me.

  • willymayshayes

    Flores 2 hits so far tonight, a double and another HR! 4 RBI’s

  • Just_Da_damaja

    He would have to play another 15 seasons to reach 3,000 hits

    Lol

  • prosoundz

    No one listens. Lol. Put Flores at 1B. Trade Duda for ANYTHING that would help a bullpen arm, bench bat, something. Trade for Profar when he gets back healthy.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Imagine murph at Yankee stadium….

  • prosoundz

    Man, you should be a GM. Very well said and laid out.

  • Jlzumpano

    He’s swinging right through pitches that he used to hit doubles and homeruns off of. I really hope this is a temporary thing, but his power numbers have been in decline for a while now

  • 3doza33

    I consider Lagares going 2-4 with a double a bright spot too… Not his fault he was stranded on 3rd twice! Lagares and Murphy continue to be our best hitters early in the season. I think that’s a dynamic duo at the top of the order. The middle of the order needs to hit the cages for extra batting practice to work out their kinks!

  • prosoundz

    Put Flores as the number 3 hitter and NOW you start to see the assembling of a solid lineup.

  • sperry

    Honestly I’m really tired of hearing about Citifield. The teams we play seem to have no problem scoring runs. I’m sure the 2006 team would have had no problems. Crazy what can happen when you field actual major leaguers.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    You really think THIS coaching staff would place him in the 3 hole? Bet they bat him 8th to “protect” TDA.

  • Bobby O

    Wow- Acc. to Rubin and a Mets team insider tonight, Mejia is now officially on a start to start basis with another middle inning meltdown sure to intensify talks of the Mets moving him to the pen. Which Mejia is amenable to doing. However, Mejia really wants to close and most likely the Mets would want him to work his way up to the closer role.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    I’m curious if this ridiculous idea will be imposed on Wheeler if he implodes tomorrow as well.

  • Put Flores in the three hole right now while he is hot and Wright in the 4 spot providing Flores with protection.. That makes sense, so it wont be done. As we have seen Collins and the FO are slow to change or be creative. Also with Flores batting third and Wright fourth we will we see more run production and early. Flores has proven one thing that no one can dispute. He drives in runs! He excels in those situations.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Instead of trading Gee and Niese, the Mets need to entertain the idea of trading Wheeler. He would bring back more than those two I would think.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Wow. Careful, you may get trolled for such a logical answer.

  • Niese is pitching well, why on earth would you get rid of a solid lefty? That doesn’t make sense unless you have another left better or equal to him in the wings.

  • The Wilpons are playing a dangerous game of revolving credit. They’re like a kid fresh out of college with insurmountable debt and one almost maxed out credit card.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    This plan SUCKS!!!! He hasn’t pitched much over the last several years so because of 2 innings worth of meltdowns, he the first to go? This is a load of BULL!!! Mejia had very little rope to begin with to begin the season so I’m not at all surprised by these turn of events. I said this earlier but I wonder what happens to Wheeler if he implodes like he did in Colorado tomorrow? Does he get moved to the pen or are they gonna use the excuse that he needs more time to get acclimated to the majors?

  • Bail4Nails

    Manhattan, this whole philosophy of taking pitches until you find one “you can do damage with” is what’s killing the contact rate for this team. Guys like Murphy, even on a good night, still have some awful-looking Strikeouts. It’s painful to watch how much he’s thinking at the plate sometimes. Murphy wasn’t like this a few years ago.
    Over-Analytics are killing our Offense and our GM, while we have an Under-Analytical Manager in Terry. It’s a recipe for Disaster.
    I’d love to see a High School Coach come in for a week. He’d say, “Turn the computers off, practice a level swing, and protect the plate with 2 Strikes”. I could almost guarantee 2 more Runs per Game. Baseball is a Game, not a Science Project. It takes Muscle Memory, not a Math Thesis. That’s only my Opinion, but recent evidence seems to prove it correct.

  • “…however, for the same remaining 143 games they averaged a little over four per game.”

    Same as when you 1st said the Pirates averaged over 4 runs per game it’s still inaccurate. They averaged a little under four per game.”

    The difference between the two teams was 53 runs or more precisely a difference of 0.37 runs more per game.

    http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0ApxE2V-jZhJHdG5xVWJLUzlaZHFmWU9zdXpXQTNmSEE&single=true&gid=1&output=html

  • TexasGusCC

    Have to give in order to get. Niese is unreliable and injury prone. Get Profar, if even possible.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    den Dekker with the hat trick tonight. No Puello again tonight but Andrew Brown is starting. What is going on in Vegas?

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Not trying to stir the pot here but how reliable is Profar?

  • Hotstreak

    Yep: Tom Hicks former Texas Ranger owner (before Ryan group) had soccer teams in England and I think owned the Dallas Stars in NHL. He was over leveraged too and Selig did nothing for him when Hicks went belly up.

  • TexasGus, I am starting to think you’re a rangers fan. Profar is not worth Niese. Sorry but the kid hasn’t hit and hasn’t shown that he can. His Avg is bellow Avg his OBP is terrible. We already have that in Tejada. No Thanks!

    here are the stats

    http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=595777#gameType='S'&sectionType=career&statType=1&season=2014&level='ALL

  • KMO82

    You could see this coming. Mejia’s stats point to him being lights out in the pen if he can do it and Dice-K, while pitching mostly pretty well, should not be in the pen. I could see a swap coming soon. Mejia would have to adjust to the pen first before being put in a closers role. The mets should do this regardless of what Mejia does because he prob has a 130 innings limit this year. So, if pitches well he can continue to start but then transition him to the pen so we can use him longer, if he continues to struggle come the fifth inning of games then maybe make the move sooner.

  • KMO82

    They are rotating them with Puello getting the shaft more times then not. They say that Puello is putting in extra work on days he doesn’t start, whatever that means.

  • KMO82

    Flores playing in his 28th game tonight is 2-4 with a double and a homer with 4RBI. He is now up to .296 5HR 23RBI. I think it’s time.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    LMAO. You mean he’s hitting in the cage located outside the stadium? Something isn’t right here. Not sure if this is Backman’s call or the FO. Just waiting for some reports from anonymous sources about his lack of work ethic or something. This is getting ridiculous.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Does Tejada have 4 RBIs on the season?

  • KennyandtheMets

    But Tejada is standing in his…uh….never mind. Yeah it is time!

  • 3doza33

    The pirates tried to rob their outfield prospect Polanco with a 7 year 3 club options $25 million contract! Wow! What a slap in the face!! The kid is one of the best young prospects in the game and they want to give him a little over 3 mill a year for all his prime years into his 30’s!! That’s a joke!!!

  • 3doza33

    Puello should be in AA playing everyday until they are ready to play him everyday in Vegas! They are waisting his season!

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Gotta give them credit for trying and take said credit away for thinking he was stupid enough to accept.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Update on den Dekker: Golden Sombrero now. Yeah, he should be starting over Puello as well!!

  • KennyandtheMets

    When they put Dice K in the pen, I posted that he walks too many guys to be effective in the pen. Yesterday was a perfect example. I don’t think this team should name a closer. Nobody really deserves the title. Let it be by commuter and see who steps up.

  • KMO82

    Lol, I want puello playing everyday for sure. It has to be the FO’s call, they prob want Brown fresh since he is always up and down.

  • KMO82

    6 lol.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Bottom of the 9th in Utah. ENTER VIC BLACK!!! Bottom of the lineup as well.

  • KMO82

    I agree I said the same thing about Dice-K. Way to many walks and he should not have been allowed to stay in yesterday and I don’t care if Torres was unavailable, thats why there are other guys in the pen lol. I agree that no one should be named closer but given some time I think Mejia would claim the role.

  • 3doza33

    Should have heard the two idiots saying the kid was stupid for not taking it on MLB tv… They were yelling at the host for agreeing with the kid that it was robbery! Said he’s no Trout.. Sorry guys but he doesn’t have to be Trout to earn more than 3 mill a year.

  • KMO82

    Lol, Sure doesn’t, look at how much Ike is getting.

  • 3doza33

    Exactly!!

  • KennyandtheMets

    Lol…sob sob…..lol….sob sob…

  • KennyandtheMets

    Mejia or Familia, IMO.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    5-3 first batter. 2nd batter 2B down the RF line. 1 out runner on 2nd

  • Mario Gonzalez

    WOW. Trying to steal third, Centeno with the hose, 2 outs.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Single up the middle. 2 outs in the 9th.

  • KMO82

    Agreed as long as TC doesn’t burry them in favor of Farnsworth and Valverde lol.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Another single. 1st and 2nd, 2 out. Um, you guys sure he’s ready for Mets pen?

  • 3rdStrike

    According to Gary Cohen, Flores will never get the chance.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    LMAO. What do you think that idiot’s gonna do? He has no love for Mejia and refuses to use Familia.

  • KMO82

    Wouldn’t surprise me.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Fly ball to center. Whew, ballgame. 51s win 7-6.

  • Hotstreak

    NO

  • KMO82

    He may have like a .7 ERA but he has been walking guys and giving up hits and been getting out of it. Which is good, but also bad lol.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Me neither. Never thought I’d say this but I don’t think we will ever get any better than this until the owners, the FO and the coaching staff are vanquished from Citi.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Profar just turned 21. He showed excellent power and OBP in the minors against much older competition. He was the former #1 prospect in all of baseball. All signs point to awesome.

    Niese is slightly better than league average. He is relatively cheap and under team control through 2018.

    No way Texas would ever make that trade. Niese and Syndergaard plus a lesser third prospect would be more realistic, I think.

    EDIT: The link you supplied may not have correct info. It shows 17 games played; I don’t think he’s played at all this season.

  • KMO82

    The ownership situation is frustrating bc while you don’t need to spend wildly and irresponsibly, I’d like to at least know if there was a player out there that would put us over the top we could get him and right now they haggle with guys who make like 3 million a year so what confidence should any of us have in this ownership.

  • prosoundz

    I fu ckin hate this coaching staff and front office. Why do we keep getting front office personnel and coaches who are afraid to be bold? Putting a red hot Flores to bat 3rd and win us a couple of games is the right move. But it won’t be done because of what? Because he is 22 years old? Makes no damn sense. I hate this dog and pony stuff, management is so out of touch and fake.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Well. Terry has over used Torres. I have been predicting that Carlos would have physical problems for a couple of weeks. Farnsworth and Valverde are toast. Dice K is a starter, not a reliever. At some point, Terry will ha move to give the young guns a shot.

  • prosoundz

    Won’t do Syndergaard. But I’ll give them the awesome Gee AND Niese and eat some of Niese’s contract if need be.

  • amarksupreme

    absolutely agree

  • 3doza33

    Actually Lagares was hit by a pitch one at bat.. My bad.. Still a good game though.

  • tacknaf

    exactly

  • tacknaf

    Mets getting Trout, LOL

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Not enough for Profar, in my opinion.

    Objectively, you’re trading a #3 and a #4 starter (MAYBE two #3s) for a former #1 prospect who just turned 21 and is under contract through 2019.

    Of course, you’ve proven to have the best idea of what a fair trade is (I still remember you “calling” our return in the RA Dickey trade.)

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Agreed 100%.

  • Hotstreak

    The Las Vegas 51s are Triple-A affiliates of the New York Mets.

    Why ’51s?’
    The 51s take their name from the semi-secret government base known as Area 51, which is about 120 miles northwest of Las Vegas. Reports of UFO sightings and alien activities spawned the team’s nickname, alien head logo and its mascot, Cosmo.

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/sites/default/files/styles/small/public/51slogo_new.jpg

  • Hotstreak
  • derek murphy

    While Flores did throw a ball away tonight 2-4 with a homer, double and 4 RBI. The people complaining about him only having 1 homer n hitting 260 have been silenced. Hopefully he will keep this up and receive a promotion.

  • mets4lyfe

    I’m advocate of trading Niese, but you’re doing him a disservice by saying he’s ‘slightly better than league average’. Niese is a well above-average major league starting pitcher.

    Jon Niese 2012-present (60 starts)

    3.35 ERA
    3.66 FIP
    3.69 xFIP
    6 1/3 IP/S

    For comparisons sake we can look at the numbers of an average ML starting pitcher from 2012-2014:

    2012

    4.19 ERA
    4.13 FIP
    4.06 xFIP

    2013

    4.01 ERA
    3.95 FIP
    3.91 xFIP

    2014

    3.89 ERA
    3.85 FIP
    3.81 xFIP

    He’s what you call an ideal #3 starter or ‘mid-rotation’ starter.

    EDIT: Niese ranks 22nd among 68 starters in ERA that have pitched at least 350 IP from 2012-present. He’s ahead of Cole Hamels, Matt Cain, Kuroda, Wilson, Hudson, etc.

  • Hotstreak

    He is up to a BA of .296

  • derek murphy

    What’s your point? I know what his avg is. However, 2 weeks ago when it was in the 260 range people were talking about him not being able to hit. Now he’s knocking on the door to 300 but even then he had gotten at least a hit a game. There were only a couple of games that he did not get at least one hit.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    That’s my boy….

    Defense wins…

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Of course not…

  • Nolrog

    HA HA HA HA. You think you’re going to get one of those elite players for that package? Start with Wheeler, Snydergaard, deGrom and then you’d still have to throw in another one or two.

  • Nolrog

    You are significantly over rating him. Those kinds of players don’t get traded unless there are pitchers, top end pitchers and lots of them.

  • Nolrog

    In completely unrelated news, we are probably weeks away from the Super 2 deadline as well.

  • Joanie Yan

    I don’t think we’ll see Flores until the Super 2 deadline passes.
    Of course by then the Mets will be out of contention.
    Puello needs to play everyday so we can see what he is. We already know what Nieuwenheis and den Dekker are and they are not MLB players.

  • mad met

    Murphy is my fav player on the team

  • RyanF55

    Mets shortstops haven’t recorded a hit since April 29th against the Phillies….8 games ago. Just think about that.

  • SD(BK)Mike

    I agree. but not entirely.

    I use Wright for example. In Shea I remember him hitting for power to the opposite field regularly. I figured that knowing he had the ability to hit it over the right field fence allowed him to keep that mindset at the plate and in all situations (clutch or non clutch). Now he has to kill the ball to right field and that may not even make it over. That changes his mentality in high pressure situations (i.e. having to pull a homerun to tie/take the lead) which causes him to flail at low outside sliders instead of leaning into one.

    I can imagine that a lot of hitters have had similar mentality changes since the opening of Citi. That, coupled with Hudgen’s disease, causes our poor showing at home.

  • Agee’s Catch

    I’m thinking it’s time for a cool change.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    I predicted by May15th the Mets would be in last place. That’s a lock but I am moving my 76 win season to 74 based on the Marlins being a much better team than the pre season pundits predicted. We will now be in a race to the bottom with the Phillies.

  • Agee’s Catch

    But in his last 10 he’s hitting .433 & slugging .900. a tenth of that and he’s better than what we have now.

  • Erin_II

    The cold, hard reality of things is, if DW could still hit, we would have been right in that game last night. Tough to put it on his shoulders, but he`s the big money guy, making 1/4 of the payroll, and always seeming to come up with men in scoring position. Earn your damn money, hit some balls hard, like you`re paid to do, Cap.

  • RyanF55

    Also worth noting that the pitchers have yet to record a hit. So, over the past 8 games, the Mets 8-9 spots in the lineup have LITERALLY gotten out every single time. That’s unreal.

  • RyanF55

    Good point…he blew big spots for the team multiple times last night. His power outage is getting a little ridiculous as well.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Flores 2-4 last night with a HR and 4 RBIs.

    I dont think it is too long before he is called up to start at SS for the Mets.

  • Taskmaster4450

    6 or his 7 errors are throwing which can be corrected.

    I believe reports are accurate in that he is suffering from a lack of reps there and he doesnt have the timing down.

    That is only solved by taking groundballs in games at SS.

  • metsman

    7 errors?…robbing Peter to pay Paul.

  • SaberMets

    I’m in agreement that we should promote Flores and he should be our everyday SS from here on out. With that said, batting him in the 3 hole is stupid. It makes absolutely no sense.

  • Joey D.

    Ok, I was going by memory and the stats were a slightly bit off and I was using stats to make a counter-argument to one using stats so though my memory was not as precise with using statistics as a counter-argument, that is relevant only to the one grading mathematical accuracy and really irrelevant as far as baseball is concerned . So my math was wrong as far as precision and I can be graded poorly on that aspect accordingly.

    Now, to the facts at hand as far as what is really is at issue – baseball and not math on paper that lacks the depth of the true picture – and lets see how myself and others who made the same argument can be graded on that instead.

    This was the argument being presented in that statistical comparison: the Mets did not have to concentrate on the hitting because of the development of the pitching staff to date and the potential of the great arms coming up through the system. The pitching had improved immensely after the first two months and was closing the gap with that of Pittsburgh and we had Thor, Montero, a more experienced Wheeler, etc. waiting in the wings.

    It was then pointed out that the Pirates had only scored 15 more runs than the Mets (634 to 619) so because the hitting was virtually even we did not have to concentrate on what many called an anemic hitting attack and could instead focus more on adding to the pitching and defense mentioned above which the Mets did with CY’s defense making up for his hitting problems and Colon adding for the loss of Harvey.

    That was the logic based on stats. But reality was quite different.

    The Mets hitting was not on par with the Pirates which could then support an improving pitching staff. Yes, after that quick 19 game start, the Pirates had scored 51 more runs than the Mets did. So in statistical terms, the difference was not the .09 runs per game as argued, it was .35 runs per game. But let’s get away from the stats for the gap was more than one third a run per game – which I did mention BTW.

    As mentioned, the Mets scored a tremendous amount of runs in June and July. Pointing that out would be being selective on my part, admittedly, except for the very important fact that that same hitting streak masked the problems facing the team and inflated the overall figures. Everyone sans Davis got hot at the same time and was either getting base hits or getting on base. Ever Omar Q. had an OBP over .300. It was not reflective of the true ability of the Mets to score runs over the course of the entire season for It wasn’t a balance of some hitting as expected, some getting hot and some hitting cold which would then nullify the need to point out scoring 227 runs in 53 games.

    On the other hand, the Pirate attack remained consistent in the amount of runs they were scoring throughout that same 143 game period – no real hot streaks and no real cold streaks to paint one picture statistically and another different one of the field. It wasn’t a case of one period when everybody got hot at one time. Rather, it was balanced throughout the year with some players picking up others as it should be.

    The Pirates scored no less than 99 runs in any one month and not more than 111 at the same time. That is a sign of lower than league average scoring but the Mets on the other hand, had three months which they scored between 78 and 99 runs and three months in which they scored between 107 and 109 runs – a sign of tremendous inconsistent hitting and with further research we see that it was a case of everyone getting hot at the same time and/or the aid of those winter conditions in which both the Mets, Twins and Rockies each scored 35 runs in five games.

    So you want to point out my statistics being off a bit, fine. You caught me. Does it matter? No, not one bit, not when we are actually talking about the game itself.

  • Joey D.

    Hi prosoundz,

    Hey, thanks for the nice words. Feels a lot better for there is one who has said I know nothing at all about baseball and am nothing more than a “shmuck” (actually more descriptive adjectives have also been used but not worth repeating LOL) and need to get a life.

  • Metfan9876

    You also have to rememer the ground is harder in Vegas, which most likely makes most plays more difficult than they should be

  • Metfan9876

    What other “hot streak” did Buck have besides his month in April?

  • Joey D.

    Hi Metfan9876,

    In July Buck drove in 16 runs despite only hitting one home run because he also hit .268 – not bad for one who hit .222 all season.

  • Hotstreak

    “Forgetaboutit” There feel better. How dare I give his average.

  • I would take most of the top young SS prospect, problem is they’re impossible to get.

  • Fair enough. That just might do it. Crazy gamble though trading proven starters and banking on the kids. I’m not opposed to it; I just don’t see it happening.