Mejia Now Open To Late Relief, Mets Judging Him Start To Start

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May 7

A team insider told Adam Rubin of ESPN New York, that righthander Jenrry Mejia is being judged on a start-to-start basis. There are some in the organization who have viewed Mejia as a reliever all along.

Mejia previously had communicated to the front office that he would prefer working in Triple-A as a starter rather than working in the majors in relief.

However Rubin adds that the belief is that he would back off that preference if he were bounced from the rotation.

Mejia now tells Jared Diamond of the Wall Street Journal that he would be fine working as a late inning reliever

Diamond points out that in 91 professional starts, Mejia has only lasted into the seventh inning twice, despite averaging over 100 pitches per start and adds:

Granted, it has only been a month. That said, as a closer, Mejia could concentrate all of his effort into one crucial inning, rather than pace himself for an 100-pitch game. The evidence suggests he might be better suited to be a closer than a starter. If Mejia succeeded, he would almost certainly make the Mets a better team.

“Everything is on the table,” said Assistant GM John Ricco. “We have a lot of good young arms, it’s our job to manage them.”

Shifting Mejia to the bullpen would open up an opportunity in the rotation for Jacob deGrom or Rafael Montero in the short term and perhaps Noah Syndergaard later in the season.

May 5

Terry Collins said that righthander Jenrry Mejia will make his scheduled start on Friday against the Philadelphia Phillies at Citi Field, but acknowledged that the debate over whether he should work as a reliever will continue.

Statistical splits show that opposing batters are hitting .160 the first time they face Mejia in a game and .239 the second time around. However, hitters are scorching Mejia for a .438 batting average the third time through the order.

Asked if that strengthens the case for making Mejia a reliever, Collins responded, “Especially when you have starts where they are five innings, 4 2/3, five innings, it’s always in the conversation.”

Mejia has made it known that he does not want to work in relief.

According to Adam Rubin, Mejia has previously told the Mets that he would prefer being a Triple-A starter to relieving in the big leagues.

May 4

Well that sucked… By now I should be used to a bullpen performance like we saw last night, but for me it never gets any easier. After the way the team battled back from Jenrry Mejia‘s meltdown I was thumping my chest as we headed into the bottom of the ninth. I thought it was going to be a great comeback win in a ballpark that has been giving the Mets fits since… forever. I should have known better.

Mets closer Kyle Farnsworth has now been scored on in three of his last four appearances. Four earned runs on seven hits including two back-breaking home runs in just 3.1 innings pitched.

Mets quasi closers have combined to blow six saves in 12 opportunities so far this season. In other words, whenever we take a three run or less lead into the ninth inning, there’s a 50/50 chance that we’ll blow the lead. How do you like them odds?

Now the buzz is that we should make Daisuke Matsuzaka the new closer. Why not, right? As long as we get him up in the bullpen around the seventh inning so that he can get warmed up we should be fine, right?

The Mets bullpen has allowed 13 home runs through the first five weeks of the season. Only the Houston Astros bullpen has allowed more homers (16) in the majors.

Opposing hitters have a .755 OPS against Mets relievers.

Back on Opening Day, when we suffered our first bullpen implosion of the season, Mets GM Sandy Alderson had this to say about the state of the pen:

“The bullpen has not been good over the last several years. It needs to get better.”

Easier said than done for Sandy who has struggled to put together an effective bullpen since taking over the team at the end of the 2010 season.

Mets National League Bullpen Rankings

  • 2009 – 3.89 ERA Ranked 8th
  • 2010 – 3.59 ERA Ranked 5th
  • 2011 – 4.33 ERA Ranked 15th
  • 2012 – 4.65 ERA Ranked 15th
  • 2013 – 3.98 ERA Ranked 12th
  • 2014 – 4.08 ERA Ranked 12th

Alderson hasn’t run from his track record. “It’s been nothing short of abysmal,” he told Marc Carig of Newsday last month.

Since 2011, the Mets have had only three Mets relievers have logged at least 30 innings and posted an ERA below 3.00, Bobby Parnell did it twice and LaTroy Hawkins was the other. That’s pretty pathetic.

On Friday, Sandy hinted that Rafael Montero and Jacob deGrom will be ticketed for the bullpen “sooner rather than later.”

“I think we’re at the point where anything is possible.”

When asked if they would need to begin their transition to relief while still in Vegas, Alderson stated that it’s a “first step, but not a necessary step.”

Safe to say that the veteran reliever experiment is quickly coming to an end. Those last-ditch effort, scrapheap signings of Jose Valverde, Kyle Farnsworth and John Lannan did little to revamp the bullpen.

I always felt our best options were all internal anyway. So hopefully things will get better soon.

One last thing. Last night on our game thread and on Twitter, Mets fans were unfairly calling Sandy out for not going after Joel Hanrahan. The fact is he won’t be ready to pitch and contribute at least until June at the earliest. Even if we had signed him, it wouldn’t of helped us in the least last night.

Anyway, lets try and avoid the sweep tonight.

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  • derek murphy

    Hopefully Black n Thornton take valverde and farnsworths places.

  • Rocky Thompson

    If the Mets have a save opportunity today, I would like to see Familia get the opportunity. While Matsuzaka has been impressive, I do not like him in the closer role. As disappointing as Valverde, Farnsworth and Lannan have been pitching for the Mets, the bigger disappointment has been Vic Black not being good enough during ST to even make the roster.

  • Rocky Thompson

    There are several potential options down on the farm. Jeff Walters, Joel Carreno and Erik Goeddel, who has looked good after a slow start to the season, are also option.

  • Black is still dealing with major control issues.

    In 10.1 innings pitched, 1 balk, 1 HBP, 2 wild pitches and 10 walks. He has a 1.548 WHIP right now.

    And none of that has anything to do with the PCL, command and control has plagued him his entire pro career.

  • TheMets philosophy

    I dont think Montero or degrom profile as closer there not the overpowering type

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Starters who can’t go deep into games + unreliable bullpen with questionable talent + an anemic offense = a lot of frustrating losses in 2014.

    At some point, the AAA starters have to come up and get their feet wet. May as well be in the bullpen. Hopefully the offense picks up as well, and we at least partially reduce the right side of this equation.

  • BronxMets

    Vic Black hasn’t been good enough ever, that’s why the Pirates let him go.

  • metsman

    Tip your damn hat every now and then instead of blamming Sandy, Terry, or the stay puft marshmellow man. The Rockies are on another planet offensively; at no point did I think we would win last night and we probably won’t win today either. The Rockies are stacked with offensive talent creating a iron clad home field advantage.

  • I don’t think Sandy would have Collins use them as closers anyway. At this point it’s more for some fresh arms who can give the team some quality relief innings.

  • Anthony

    None of our current closers profile as closers

  • I didn’t blame Sandy. Sandy blamed Sandy.

  • Tommy

    I would like to see Familia and German get the opportunities! I would also like to see Valverde & Farnsworth released & the Mets bring up Vic Black, deGrom, and/or Montero for the pen! If they don’t use Montero for the pen, then bring him up for the rotation! I hate to say it, (maybe I am being a little impatient), but maybe Mejia is a bullpen guy? Look at his 3rd time through the order? It is worse than Gee!

  • I love Familia’s stuff but he won’t help unless he can improve his control and so far that hasn’t been the case.

  • HarveyKsYou

    It also doesn’t help that we usually only get six innings out of the starters.. Only Niese and Gee have consistently given us length.

  • NotSoPatientMetsFan

    Easy solution. Promote degrom or Montero to the rotation and move mejia to closer. He is lights out the first time through a lineup which is obviously all a closer needs. I think as closer his fb can bump up a few mph making his secondary stuff even better. I’m sick of these has been relievers. 6 blown saves this early in the season is totally unacceptable and both TC and Sandy need to be accountable. I feel like they are oblivious to making moves that make sense and would actually help the team win ball games instead of trying to band aid the problems. I am beyond frustrated after last night’s loss.

  • TheMets philosophy

    So then what is Sandy selling us on? Whats his plan? If he has none lets put Dice-K or familia there 2day! Why we waiting for these guys besides joe the problem in the bullpen hasn’t been the guys leading up to the closers its the closers they’re our worst pitchers

  • Many in the front office wanted to do that all along, but Sandy decided against it because of how the fans would have reacted to Mejia to the pen.

  • metsman

    But you focused on those particular comments because we are looking for a whipping boy. Blame the Rockies; they are the ones that burned three very good starting pitchers and we are talking about Farnsworth like it’s his fault? This has been a s–t show from start to finish.

  • NotSoPatientMetsFan

    Easy solution. Promote degrom or Montero to the rotation and move mejia to closer. He is lights out the first time through a lineup which is obviously all a closer needs. I think as closer his fb can bump up a few mph making his secondary stuff even better. I’m sick of these has been relievers. 6 blown saves this early in the season is totally unacceptable and both TC and Sandy need to be accountable. I feel like they are oblivious to making moves that make sense and would actually help the team win ball games instead of trying to band aid the problems. I am beyond frustrated after last night’s loss.

  • LOL I totally agree. Our late inning guys have been the most guilty. I don’t mean to laugh, but at this point what else can we do?

  • oleosmirf

    The Mets bullpen really isn’t a problem though. Yea they gave up 3 runs last night, but these last 3 games have all been on the SP.

    Mejia stunk, Wheeler stunk and Colon stunk.

    The blame falls solely on those three players (and Terry for leaving Mejia in too long). The overall numbers of our relievers are actually pretty good…

    That said, we are facing a team that is a great hitting team right now in any ballpark and Coors Field just makes it worse.

  • We really should have brought in at least one experienced late inning reliever this offseason. This was doomed to failure when the only additions to the pen were scrapheap signings in February. Especially given the Parnell concern that he might not be ready.

  • metsman

    Maybe the Rockies are just that good right now? Look at their video game like stats, it’s ridiculous.
    Team line: 300 BA!!!! 349 OBP 873 OPS.

    this series is what happens when the best offensive team in baseball faces the worst offensive team in baseball…I think people should back off our pitching right now they’ve just been molested and it’s not over yet.

  • oleosmirf

    Very very very rarely will you see a rookie closer. All the best closers first make their mark as middle relievers and work up the ladder whether its Kimbrel, Rivera or new guys like Holland, Jansen, etc.

  • metsman

    We brought on “experienced” offense and look how that has worked out…so why are we crapping on the bullpen right now? ….oh yeah it’s the classic baseball punching bag.

  • Exactly, very true. Even the great ones.

  • oleosmirf

    Which is why I’m totally against using any young guy as the closer this season. It’s almost a guaranteed failure.

  • I am just hoping that these last three games were a product of Coors and hot Rockies offense. My gut feeling tells me the next time those three pitch they’ll toss quality outings. I hope that Niese can overcome what the last three couldn’t.

  • You seem to want to applaud them. Be my guest. What we are seeing is a continuation of the previous three years. That’s why I included the performance chart. Those results are unacceptable and we need to start moving in a better direction. So far we haven’t.

  • Sandy is too smart to let that happen. When those two come up – if they come up – I’m sure Collins will get specific orders on how they will be used.

  • By the way, I’m not suggesting that Sandy is meddlesome, but I believe where the prospects are concerned he will be and should be protective.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Very sample size (3 games), but Niese at Coors was hit to the tune of .342/.392/.562.

    Hopefully, he has a great day. We could use it.

  • Tommy

    At the same time, you have to give him “some” work, and the better he gets, you move him to the 7th, 8th & so on! Remember he came in last year in a save situation vs the Braves in Atlanta & got the 3 outs!

  • derek murphy

    Everyone writting off mejia is premature yesterday had nothing to do with 3rd time thru the order. He wasnt pitching well from go. He was dancing between rain drops but did not have it at all yesterday and armed with that knowledge TC should have had the hook ready early. With what mejia showed last year and earlier this year he deserves more oppertunities. He needs to throw the cutter 80% of the time an he will be fine. That’s his best pitch and has so much movement it dont matter if they know its coming.

  • Oh my, I didn’t know that. You know a lot of people were freaking out during that whole game last night. I thought it was a great battle from start to finish, which unfortunately didn’t go our way.

  • Tommy

    I am certainly not writing him off! He is too good! I am a bit concerned (and admit I am being a typical impatient Met fan right now) about the fact that he has this much trouble 3rd time through the order!?

  • Notpoliticalyet

    Well if the Rockies are that good as someone said, then hand them the trophy now, but it doesn’t work that way. Lots of stuff happens in a season and they will run into a team that has their number. The Mets cannot play at Coors for some reason. Altitude? Other teams play there and do win. You have to say the Rockies lineup has very few holes if any. Seems like the whole team is hitting .300. Power numbers off the charts.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    See.

    Check out @NYPost_Mets’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/462718057211650049

  • metsman

    Why aren’t you focused on the starting pitching right now though? How can you excuse them and blame our bullpen…they are getting smacked around by the same Rockies!!!! Please just acknowledge that. We ran into a juggernaut, remember how nice everything was just a few days ago; the four games over 500, the consecutive wins, Hammels getting spanked horay Metland!!! This has everything to do with the Rockies being awesome in batters box right now, it’s a serious exercise in scapegoating to be talking about offseason bullpen aquisitions.

  • Hotstreak

    Terry also said as a vote of confidene SARCASM: When hits .190 he is out of there.

  • QueensRussell

    Whatever Pixie dust rested on Farnsworth’s shoulders has blown away. Rox or no, he will not be a dependable closer.

    I got home just in time last night to see us take the lead after blowing a six-run lead!!! My goodness. Just horrible.

    And then the blast…wow was that ever depressing. Getting swept in four would suck monumentally.

    C’mon, Mets, find whatever it takes to win today. We need it badly!!!

  • Hotstreak

    HE REALLY ADDED THAT; iT DOES WONDERS FOR ONES CONFIDENCE: SARCASM:

  • butlerbMMO

    The Mets bullpen SUCKS!!!! Period. I wish Sandy would have done more in the offseason to get some quality relievers and not sign guys who are outside of their prime to minor league/major league minimum deals. Its ridiculous to watch the Mets fight back offensively and then the bullpen blows the lid off of it. I’m sure we’d probably had around 20 wins right now if we actually had a “good” bullpen.

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Sandys a fool. Has never signed a quality arm for the pen yet. I wanted Hawkins or joe smith but no, more old washed up players.

  • Waz0787

    Mr alderson is the blame. Plain and simple. Farnsworth was by the mets after spring training only to resigned due to Parnell. its not colorado or any freaking excuses. The fact is valverde and farnsworth are done.

  • derek murphy

    Walters looks like he’s going to be ready to join our pen soon. He is 6 for his last 7 in save oppertunities. He had 1 bad outing to start the season and 1 since. Other than those 2 outings he has been outstanding. Hopefully he keeps converting and hanging 0’s. provided he does he’s probably not far off. Black is not far off he’s pitched well but has to limit free passes.

  • Scottydoeskno328

    We have no closer. It’s a major problem.

  • Hotstreak

    Maybe Jerry Manuel was correct.

  • Metfan9876

    I’m a huge fan of Holland. I wish the mets had a guy like him.

  • Waz0787

    Pittsburgh let him go because he has no control

  • Dio

    Ummmm…… are the Rockies undefeated? They’ve lost games to other teams. We had the chance to win last night. A legit closer… not a guy that was on the bus not even realizing he wasn’t on the roster yet (Kyle F)… would’ve ended that game. That wasn’t Mickey Mantle who hit the game winning HR lol so some on now. This game was our fault. That last pitch was on a tee. I would’ve hit the ball out of the park. He is not a closer and never should be again.

  • Dio

    Hanrahan, although not available til June, still would be a welcome addition. Going after him would at least show the FO is looking to improve. So would bringing up DeGrom or Montero. Or moving Mejia to the bullpen. But none of these things have happened yet.

  • We fans think we have all the solutions to the problems that plague the Mets and would probably do better at managing. I know for a fact that I would not have sat there with my thumb up my a** while a young pitcher gets routed and gives up 8 RUNS IN ONE INNING. As I see it, aside from a front office that could care less about the fans, the skipper never learned the fundamentals of baseball. Just my humble opinion, and I have the same right to express it as everyone else.

  • Hotstreak

    6 blown saves out of 12. Are you serious? Hawkins available for 2.5 M with Parnell a question mark. Are you for real. What an assine post

  • Bail4Nails

    It’s Amazing, they spent $60 Million on Granderson just to make the Fans feel better. Now, it would cost so much less to promote any or all of DeGrom, Montero, Flores, Campbell, and Dykstra to make the Fans feel better AND Make the team better.
    It’s safe to say we’ve all had enough of Valverde, Farnsworth, and Tejada.
    MoveOn.Org

  • 1harris1

    Think it’s Gee today, no?

  • I think Alderson sets up a budget for the bullpen and sticks to it no matter what. He brings in some retreads at little cost and sprinkles in some of our young guys and hopes for the best. He passes on many opportunities because they do not fit his budget. It’s not about maximizing the chances of success but minimizing the outflow of cash. That’s how it appears to me anyway. I had no problem with them passing on Hanrahan, by the way, but thought they should have brought Hawkins back. I hope that Valverde and Farnsworth are gone by the end of the month and we start seeing some of the young arms getting some opportunities. At least you are getting the chance to see them perform on the big stage so I feel like there is some benefit to the team, even if it does not necessarily work out.

  • I think that’s the point of this comment section and I think most people would agree with your sentiments.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well, Heath Bell is available. Are we all going to start calling his name?

  • BCleveland3381

    Hindsight is 20/20, but how much better would this team look if they just didn’t sign Grandy and instead resigned Marlon Byrd and Latroy Hawkins? And we’d still have money left over.

  • I certainly hope not. It’s like dropping your car off at the junkyard to be crushed and leaving with another one that was about to be.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Everybody wants Hanrahan. I don’t see a huge difference.

  • BCleveland3381

    Id rather watch this bullpen get blown up every day than even bother giving his agent a phone call.

  • I don’t.

  • MetsWatchman

    Metsman……I agree with you 100% about the Mets running into the best offensive team in the universe right now and we had to try to beat them on their planet. The brick wall we ran into really shouldn’t have been a surprise. However, it did bring up yet again the same glaring deficiency that has plagued this team for the past 4 years……an atrocious bullpen. If there is one area that Sandy has been a complete failure in each of his off seasons, it has been his inability to assemble an effective bullpen.

  • …and Bell has shown he is washed up but one can only speculate that Hanrahan is. He’s also younger than Bell.

  • 1harris1

    If Hanrahan were healthy, I think he’s be a significant upgrade over what they have. But nobody knows for
    certain what he’ll be when he comes back, or how long it will take him to be effective.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Seems like a lot of people around here think he’d make a huge difference.

  • Eyeball

    That Mejia hasn’t pitched particularly well out of the pen may have factored in as well. I’m guessing Sandy isn’t easily swayed by fan reaction or recent off seasons may have resulted in Bourne, Choo, Drew, etc.

  • MikePiazza3186

    well i think grandy will start to hit but also hawkins isnt the answer either we should have just spent money and got a real closer

  • oleosmirf

    Do you honestly believe he chose Mejia because of how the fans would take it?

    This is Sandy Alderson we’re talking about remember.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’d really like to know who this “real closer” everyone seems to have wanted is. We should have had insurance for Parnell, fine, but that’s what Valverde/Farnsworth/Familia all are. Most teams don’t even care about closers and find one toward the last days of ST. So who was Alderson supposed to have signed?

  • Bail4Nails

    I’m still a big fan of Mejia. Regarding giving him a shot to Close, is that considered a demotion from Starting Pitcher. I’ve noticed that Closers have been getting just as much money as Starters lately.
    Again, I still want to see Mejia in the Rotation. But, with the Game on the line, I don’t think I trust any current Met Pitcher more than him (even after last night).

  • MikePiazza3186

    balfour rodney i no they are not great but compared to what we have they are gold!!!

  • Waz0787

    Problem is mets thinking sign scrubs and rejects and hope they a career year

  • oleosmirf

    Walters has not pitched well, Goeddel has not pitched well and Carreno probably would make the most sense, but that involves a roster move.

  • Eyeball

    I think it would have taken a huge overspend to get a Nathan type. Money being even, I’m thinking a good closer is going to want to go to a team that looks like it might win some games.

  • MikePiazza3186

    instead of signing colon we should have signed drew and hawkins

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Balfour is making $6M this year and has an ERA over five. Rodney is over three. They’d fit right in with our bullpen at three times the cost.

  • MikePiazza3186

    lol we are a new york team why not spend money lol and there is the problem lol the wilpons

  • Andrew Herbst

    Sandy has never been to able to sign a closer or put together a pen.

  • MikePiazza3186

    well im not paying why should i care about the cost and that is the problem my friends

  • Waz0787

    Farnsworth and valverde doesn’t even belong in the majors.. We picked them up from unemployment line just before spring training

  • 1harris1

    If Sandy is making decisions concerning the usage of young players based on fan reaction, we’re in even bigger trouble than I suspect.

  • Rocky Thompson

    In his last 6 games Goeddel has pitched 7.2 innings, 5 hits, 2 walks. one run and 10 strikeouts. His overall numbers are not good because of his bad start to the season, but he is pitching very well recently.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Doesn’t change facts.

  • Same old Mets

    You get what you pay for, period.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Haha. Ok then.

  • Waz0787

    Francisco was supposed to be the closer

  • Long Suffering Fan

    Meanwhile there are three former Met’s doing a great job closing for their teams:

    The aformentioned LaTroy Hawkins – 9 Saves / ERA of 3.00

    New to the closer role is Joe Smith – 3 Saves / ERA of 2.77

    And baseballs top rated closer – K-Rod – 12 Saves / ERA of 0.00

    And, of course, we have nothing to show in return for any of them….

  • This photo is taken from my collectible copy of ‘Sandy Alderson’s Guide to Bullpen Management.

  • MikePiazza3186

    yep and that is the problem overall!! do you think the yankee fans talk about money as much as we do lol its sad what we have to put up with but LGM!!!

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    SOrry, but that’s the way it is. You don’t have to like it.

  • Waz0787

    Fact that our team is pathetic. And some mets fan believed sandys garbage he fed us.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Pathetic? I mean, they lost three straight. It’s May 4. Lots of baseball to come. I’d suggest you stop watching if this is too much already.

  • Bobby O

    50%- what a pathetic save %. What good is experience as a closer if it’s washed-up exp. deGrom can’t be moved to the pen at AAA and then hopefully the Mets fast enough for myself. IMO, the Mets should be trying to groom a young gun closer to move forward with because Bobby P isn’t a lock to return truly 100%. You got lucky last season- Hawk with 1 of your closers off the scrapheap. That’s not likely to happen, twice or three times in a row.

  • Matt Mosher

    I think it’s time the Mets take the #44 out of circulation. Not a good number for the Amazins.

  • MikePiazza3186

    lol i love my mets no matter what!! i dont see any reason why i would like it tho….DO YOU??

  • Matt Mosher

    Which is the long and short of it. Jose Abreu was sitting right there, as was Drew, as was Hanrahan. This ownership will not invest.

  • Bail4Nails

    Considering using Valverde/Farnsworth as Bullpen Insurance is like calling “The General” for Car Insurance.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Nope. But I can’t talk baseball with things like, “It’s not my money.”

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    So who’s the guy they should have got?

  • Sylow59

    That makes no sense.

  • Matt Mosher

    Or used that money, added 10 million to it and just signed Abreu.

  • Matt Mosher

    I think it’s reality setting in. This is not a winning team.

  • MikePiazza3186

    yea i get it but i mean come on this team should at least have a mid to high 90 million dollar payroll not mid 80s its like a slap to the face

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well, live in reality. It is what it is.

  • MikePiazza3186

    yep and you know what you are 100% right in a way it is my money becasuse i go to games still its just a shame how loyal we all are to this team and we have to deal with the wilpons antics

  • Waz0787

    After april we were crowned the world series trophy. So yeah compare to that we played pathetic

  • Sylow59

    Every GM does that

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Only the most moronic fans crowned them anything in April.

  • Hotstreak

    Footabll
    OffenseQB. running back, WR and TE + offensive line
    Defense,Front Four, Linebackers, Cornerbacks, Safeties
    Special Teams: Kicking game

    To add to your post:

    Baseball Offense : Table setters, 3,4,5 and good fundies:
    Defense: Pitching SP,middle relief, setup, closer + Strong up the Middle
    Special Teams Bench

    We have a leadoff guy EY jr. by default: Lagares we need for the 5th spot.
    We do not have a 3,4, 5
    We do not play situational baseball

    Our SP is good but vulnerable like a lot of teams – can’t go 8 innings

    Our BP is the worst. Our closers are the worst

    Except Lagares we do not have the greatest arms in OF (No Decker)

    Catching is poor defense for the starter. but arms are good. IB is poor defense and unreliable offense.

    Sandy has fumbled the ball as GM.

  • Tommy Med

    Hahaha

  • Waz0787

    Parnell is done as a mets. They are not offering him a contract after this Season.

  • Eyeball

    I think that’s a different issue. The team isn’t spending big money across the board. Spending big money on a closer is kind of like driving a Ferrari when living in the projects.

  • Waz0787

    They don’t care.

  • Joanie Yan

    Unfortunately they invested 87 mil in Granderson, C Young and Colon. At what point do you blame the GM for spending the money on the wrong free agents?

  • KennyandtheMets

    Joe D.

    I was proud of the come back too, but when we failed to extend the lead in the top of the 9th, I didn’t feel like we would win the game. The way our bullpen has struggled and the way the Rockies are hitting just scared me.

  • MikePiazza3186

    we have holes and they refuse to fill tem this team would be so much better bring in morales and drew and BAM!!! offense is much improved

  • Bail4Nails

    Bobby O said it right above. If we were content with a 50% Save Percentage so far, we could’ve gotten that by trying out the Young Kids, like DeGrom or Montero. Even though Familia blew a couple chances, I would rather see him work it out than Valverde. If we are going to blow Saves, like we do with Valverde and Farnsworth, why not use those Blown Saves as a Learning Experience for guys who will actually be here next year. I feel like we did the same exact thing with Joe Smith when he was a Met. As a Fan, I can deal with growing pains a lot easier than the arthritis of Valverde/Farnsworth.

  • Bobby O

    Bobby O- not a newbie or invader. Bobby O= Sach, just another nickname, this one on my job.

  • Bobby O

    Waz0787- you might be right. Bobby P- over 5MM next season in an almost automatic arb. eligible raise. Might not fit ” MoneyBall” Sandy.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Losses are losses. I don’t think they can get away with just throwing the kids into the fire. Putting DeGrom and Montero in the bullpen out of ST is ridiculous. You’re costing millions in arbitration for a few relief appearances.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I have been saying for years that the Mets should groom a group of young guns for the pen. The philosophy that relievers are failed starters just doesn’t fit in today game anymore. Starting pitchers rarely go past the 6th or 7th innings these days. Having top pitching talent in the pen is a must.

  • Andrew Herbst

    He was, but that turned out to an awful signing.

  • Bail4Nails

    “For a few Relief Appearances” to you== “For a few Possible Wins” to me. I thought you guys Love the WAR stat.

  • Bobby O

    I concur. I also like having a couple a guys in the pen that can give you multiple IP out of the pen. BTW, I told you guys last year that you’re not going to get any length out of your wonderboy Mejia- IMO, he’s just a 4 or 5IP SP.

  • billpulsipher

    good job by sandy to fill the holes as SS and late inning relief…he really is a wonderful GM

  • KennyandtheMets

    I understand why K-Rod was let go. However, Hawkins SHOULD have been resigned. I said it the day he signed with Colorado. People told me to calm down, but it looks like I was right. Ironic that Hawkins got the win last night, even though he didn’t pitch very well.

  • Joanie Yan

    They supposedly offered Balfour a good contract but he chose the Rays so there’s nothing you can do about it. But Hawkins was sitting there wanting to come back and could have been had for the same money the Rockies gave him so the blame for that is on Sandy Alderson.

  • metsman

    That’s what most teams do. Relief pitching is a thankless job. The irony of people whinning about not signing Hawkins when Hawkins was last years Farnsworth makes me laugh. You can throw alot of money at a Hanrahan or Bell or a Fransisco and end up with the same results. You can homegrow a Kimbrel and he can end up a Storen. This whole week these bullpen discussion have been making my head hurt how obtuse and opinionated people have been.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Mejia might be destined for the pen himself. Not only is he having trouble getting through 5 innings. His injury history is a concern too.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Hawkins.

  • billpulsipher

    K Rod. Balfour. Hawkins. Joe Smith. there’s 4 for ya. throw in Joba as number 5

  • KennyandtheMets

    It isn’t just these three loses though. We have been losing in the SAME kind of way for years now. Weak offense, lack of depth, and bullpen implosion. It is the pattern of losing that bothers me.

  • metsman

    I bet we lose again today and then go on winning more series then we lose and maybe then people will be able to put this series in perspective:

    After gaining a little momentum we get rained out, get a red eye to a place we haven’t done well in recent years, play the hottest team in baseball with the greatest home field advantage, that we match up terribly against and get our butts kicked.

    …it’s not the end of the world, or even the season, and certainly not the best time to judge this team.

  • mr. belvedere

    Mejia in the bullpen would do A LOT to solidify things down there…Degrom 5th starter and Mejia and Torres handling the 8th and 9th

  • mr. belvedere

    regarding this 50% save percentage…I only count 3 9th inning blown saves 1 by Farns, 1 by Val, and 1 by Parnell…I think the other blown saves are from earlier innings which is kind of silly to count as blown saves since you only get credit for a save when you pitch the final outs…I know Torres and German both have “blown saves” credited to them but not in the 9th

  • metsfan79

    Or a step further sandy never signed a quality major leaguer. Cowgil ankil torres fat frank rouch farnsworth valverda

  • muskytoes

    Fear not, fellow Mets fans. The Rays have cut Heath Bell. His return to the Mets is our destiny.

  • metsman

    Maybe the moderators felt it was the right description for your comment. We were talking about baseball and you decided to interject with an insulting comment. ..by the way if you insist on being mean and trying to put people down for not sharing your opinion, the word is “asinine”.
    I don’t do this whole internet fighting thing so go ahead and hurl some more insults at me if you want, but I’m here to talk about Mets baseball, with “zilch” knowledge.

  • mr. belvedere

    I hear many people saying we need bullpen help but everyone went into ST relying on Parnell, Black, and Edgin, they all got hurt or performing poorly couple that with Balfour turning our offer down that’s 4 pitchers we expected to have…I hope everyone realizes that there’s only 40 roster spots so if we went out and signed major league contracts to 8 different guys to fill 2-3 spots in the bullpen then we can’t protect kids like Matz, Degrom, and Walters

  • One interesting aspect of the 6 blown saves so far this season by the Mets is each one is charged to a different reliever.

    03/31 vs WAS – Scott Rice
    03/31 vs WAS – Bobby Parnell
    04/12 vs LAA – Jose Valverde
    04/25 vs MIA – Gonzalez Germen
    04/26 vs MIA – Carlos Torres
    05/03 vs COL – Kyle Farnsworth

  • metsman

    There is only so many ways you can lose though. I think the fact remains that the offense is the major culprit and that’s coming around this season; this series was a perfect storm of inevitable disappointment, brighter days are ahead.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    “wouldn’t HAVE helped…” (Hanrahan)

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Given the Granderson, Young and Colon signings, it would be interesting to know how this FO applies risk/return analysis to their player acquisitions. As has been pointed out, these signings weren’t cheap by any stretch (roughly $33 million in 2014), so how they got there would provide a revealing window into the process…

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    They rarely seem to go our way in the Alderson era. They put up a good fight if we’re talking moral victories…

  • KennyandtheMets

    The offense is coming around? Why, because they had one big game at Coors Field?

  • WillisReid

    Farnsworth’s first blown save against an offense that is playing out of it’s mind right now that has pretty much smacked around every Met pitcher this series.

  • Hotstreak

    I was purposefully condescending and mean. That is not my normal MO. I refuse to dicuss the merits of your comment because they have none. Ok I will try but it against my grain. Forgetabout it the facts are there as I originally stated and you ignore them. Joe D. was right on the spot. Last week after I posted about Hawkins good year he has a separate thread on it.

    By the way I always supporterd Hawkins even when he was a terrible 7th inning guy. I liked his attitude and the problem with him was TC using him for the 2nd inning of relief. The first inning was usually pretty good.

    As a side note Hawkins apprehended some nuthead on an airplane and then we let him go. He has a great clubhouse presence.

    One more thing: Your point would have been more effective instead of callin me a Pri*K just saying “You do not have to be so condensenfing to make your point”. I would have apologized.

  • jason bay

    Shame that we lost Darren O’Day by bungling the roster.

    It is hard to believe that the Mets can’t develop relievers. Izzy, Heilman, Bell, Parnell, Smith and German in what, like 20 years?

    Similar to catcher, 1B, 2B, LF and RF, not to mention the bench and AAA stash.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Yep. Exactly. All of those signings turned out badly.

  • billpulsipher

    big money teams sign big money relievers. small market teams like aldersons mets sign crap relievers picked up off the garbage dumps…you get what you pay for..you pay for scrubs, dont cry about it when they show you why they are scrubs….only an idiot (read TC/Sandy) would think an 8th/9th inning of Valverde/Farnsworth would work

  • billpulsipher

    you missed the STL game didnt you? the one where Kirk needed a miracle play to save him from another blown save

  • Hotstreak

    I’m from Missouri too but only figuratively.

  • jason bay

    A couple high profile guys like Nathan and Papplebon but most relievers are developed or traded for and a shockingly large number are obtained from waivers.

  • billpulsipher

    find more than 1 other team that is trotting out 40 year old retreads as closer..at this point give the job to vic black or mejia or walters.

  • metsman

    Come on man, you know it’s been more than that, but if want to be pessimistic it’s your god given right as a Met fan. Young Darno and Granderson have all been steadily hitting more for around a week now.
    We always pick and choose rather we want to accept the dynamic nature of the league based on what we are trying to justify. We might never play another team this year as hot as the Rockies are right now…we might sweep them when they come to city. one of starters bombs,okay it’s them, two, okay maybe a coincidence. …three starters plus our bullpen? I wish people would just tip there hat and remember how well we were playing before we hit this snag of a murders row.

  • WillisReid

    Nope. I saw it and it wasn’t a blown save.

  • billpulsipher

    they were taking BP off him lol

  • mets4lyfe

    Alderson should take notes from Billy Beane on how to construct bullpens. Actually, why take notes when he can just call him.

    You try to assemble a bullpen with quality arms rather than retreads like Farnsworth, Valverde, Lannan, and Matsuzaka. It just appears to me that Sandy signed these guys so they can audition at the ML level for other teams so they can be traded for whatever prospects he can get. No MLB team planning on winning 90 games will have these four occupying spots on the same 25-man roster.

  • metsman

    Well you should be proud of your MO, it truley raises the level of discourse on this site. Have fun only conversing civilly with people you agree with…I mean people who have “merit” and “baseball knowledge”. I’m not the only one who sees this differently: the Rockies have tore up all of our pitchers, cherry picking the bullpento blame makes no sense and just because the Site moderator agrees with your viewpoint doesn’t give you any validation. I fail to see how you or Joe D has proven my point meritless.

  • Hotstreak

    You are entitled to your opinion. My MO is to have discourse with different opinions. However, your comment IMO was so counter the evidence and facts it infuriated me. I had no tolerence blaming SP instead of BP.

  • Mikey

    Four years running, each offseason FOCUSED on fixing the Pen yet here we are still talking about how bad it is…
    Genius I say Super Genius!

    Maybe Acme makes a Bullpen Arm that our GM Wile E Coyote can buy!

  • CJM

    Last night the bullpen didn’t help, but it was primarily a Mejia fail.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Connor, if you are reading this thread, how does Sandy’s record with the bullpen he’s put together the past four seasons “quantify” your statement about those not being former players possibly being better general managers (assuming you meant that in combination with their understanding of sabermetrics).

    Don’t forget, it cannot be simply said he does not have the money to work with. He traded an every day player in Angel Pagan for only a relief specialist and a journey man outfielder and spent $12 million on Frank Francisco whose record indicated he was better suited coming in earlier than closing. He also gave a two year deal to D.J. Carasco. And not to mention $4 million to Marcum as a starter. And despite giving up the go-ahead run last night, he was not willing to spend a modest $2.5 million to keep LaTroy Hawkins in Flushing.

    So where does that show an ability to run a baseball franchise better than one who understands the game by having played it because of statistical analysis? With the other general managers, is it not a case of them hiring good baseball people under them and letting them do their jobs?

  • Hotstreak

    Yes BUT we had the lead in 9th inning.

  • Hotstreak

    Good to see you back.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Bill,

    Of course, it’s irrelevant if it would not have been a possible blown “save” – what mattered was the quality of his performance that day as you pointed out.

  • Joey D.

    METSIE!

    After so long, you are back. Boy did I miss you.

    You know what Wile E. Coyote was saying about himself in his first Looney Toons when he took on Bugs Bunny – “super genius” – the same thing Sandy thinks of himself as well.

  • CJM

    True. They also had a 6-0 lead that Mejia coughed up. The bullpen didn’t hold up their end of the bargain last night, but Mejia’s performance was much, much worse.

  • Hotstreak

    Yes Mejia imploaded. No doubt. TC didn’t help matters. But a blown save with a chance to win makes the defeat harder to take than coughing up a 6-0 lead and losing 8-6.

  • WillisReid

    To your broader point of big market teams get real closers if they need one. Botb SF and Boston won WS after losing their closers, StL won the NL last year after losing Motte and replacing him with an internal option. The Mets will move on from Farnsworth before Hanrahan is even ready to pitch for Detroit.

    I get the ranting an all, but jeezus man it’s a 6 month season, not 16 games and the team is still better than you probably though this ST.

    Lol.

  • Peter S

    Atrocious. And that loss is on Meija and Warthen. You can’t give up 8 runs in one inning when you are up 6. Period. The bullpen can’t take all the blame. In the end it’s on them but it should have NEVER come to that point.

  • Mikey

    Thanks to both of you!
    We will see how long my stay lasts…
    Missed all of my friends here…
    It will depend on who has the keys to this castle cause I already had one run in with someone who has been given ban privs and if they continue to use them irresponsibly and to their own childish advantage I won’t give the site a third chance…

  • BehindTheBag

    We have to look on the bright side, at least Granderson’s contract expires at the end of this year and we can try to sign a better player.

    What’s that? Three more years after this one? Uh-oh.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Of course we could just cut out the middle man and hire Billy Beane…:)

  • KennyandtheMets

    The Rockies are a hot team. There is no arguing that point. However, we had the game in hand last night and gave it up.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    This^

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah. They shouldn’t have signed him. That way, we could play EY every day.

  • BehindTheBag

    My suggestion this offseason, if they were serious about how much money they had to spend, was to sign Abreu and Tanaka. Regardless of who else played where, they’d be a better team. Granderson is tough to watch these days.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    How’s Balfour been this season? I haven’t been paying attention. Tell me.

    And Joba. Hahaha. Please.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Who is “you guys”?

  • jason bay

    Well for one thing you could look at the team we’re playing and a bullpen is more than just the closer but relievers age 37 + up in the Majors this year are:

    Aitchison, Uehara, Downs, Rodney, Beimel, Putz, Choate, Nathan, Jamey Wright, Farnsworth, Joel Peralta and Hawkins.

    We’ve had (or have) 4 of the 12 and tried to get another (Rodney) so what does that say about our prospect development?

    I posted the method of acquisition and various transactions of the top 50 relievers (according to FG’s WAR) from last year in the current game thread.

    it is amazing how long ago many of the top 50 from last year were drafted or signed also try to remember that Parnell underwent TJ a couple weeks ago.

  • Martin

    montero and degrom an and will solve this problem. the major problem is still the bats. need a SS an a 1b. trade plawecki for a bat.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well obviously, but you didn’t honestly think either of those were happening, did you?

  • joeyd1966

    Can’t put last night on the bullpen. Mejia couldn’t hold a 6-0 lead just a week after failing to hold a 5-1 lead. The pen shouldn’t have even been a factor. Eventually Mejia has to realize he’s going to be a successful big leaguer in the pen, not the rotation. He’s Pedro Martinez for 4-5 innings then becomes Mel Rojas third time around the lineup.

  • mikefichera

    Uh you can put it on the bullpen because the game might as well have been 0-0 when farnesworth came in to pitch.

  • mr. belvedere

    It’s never the starting pitcher’s fault, it’s always either the bullpen or Collins’ fault…Mejia should be in the bullpen end of discussion

  • HarveyKsYou

    Why would you rather be in the minors than majors? He’s got the wrong thought process.

  • HarvUgly

    Heath Bell was just released. Bring him in. He has always wanted to return. He still throws hard.

  • It doesn’t have Mejia’s actual quote so I can’t come down to hard on the comment but how about saying:

    “I want to do anything I can to help the team, obviously I prefer starting but whatever it takes for me to remain up here with the big team helping them win… I am willing to do”?

  • Dave Rosenbluth

    Since the kid has never pitched a full season as a starter either in high minors or the majors, it stands to reason that despite is ML quality stuff that he needs game experience. He is getting on the job training. In some what I understand what he is saying about starting, but helping the team would be the proper response. In this day and age with pitch counts and injuries it is not about a 5 man rotation it is more like 7 or even 8 MLB arms. So, we may all get what we wished for anyway and see DeGrom and/or Montero in the rotation sooner than we thought.

  • metsaholic

    If Harvey said the same thing, fans would be saying amen. What I’m saying is that Mejia is 24 years old, he seems to be healthy, and he’s getting his first full chance to be a starter for a season. I really don’t understand the rush to push him to the bullpen after a couple of bad innings. I just don’t.

  • HarveyKsYou

    He lost a few pounds as well. But he’s done, so I’ll pass.

  • metsaholic

    Has Mejia been the worse starter on the team so far this season? Why is he being pushed to the bullpen over pitchers who have no major league experience? Why?

  • metsaholic

    At some point, Gee, Wheeler and Niese had trouble getting past the 5th or 6th inning. I didn’t hear people clamoring to push them to the bullpen. Why is Mejia different?

  • everybodysbuddy

    I’m not sure that the idea to move Mejia to the bullpen is about making it a permanent career move. Mejia won’t be allowed to pitch too many innings this year as I think he threw so few innings last year. There is no way he can pitch all season long as a starter as that would more than double the number of innings he threw last year. They will have to work on a solution to this with Mejia so there is an understanding as to how they build up his arm strength and stamina for future seasons.

  • Oh I am not one of those pushing him there. However if down the road the Mets believe that is what is best for the team so be it.

    Let me ask you this, do you think Harvey would say out me in AAA before in the pen?

  • Wrightstuf

    Well too bad Mejia. If the gm or manager comes up and says we need you in the bullpen and we think you’ll thrive there what are you gonna do? Cry and stomp your feet like a kid who didn’t get a toy in Walmart? I’m all for Mejia and love his stuff but if he doesn’t change his attitude then I would keep him in AAA just for spite to prove a point. Change your attitude and do what your asked of. If numbers are showing that first time around he has shutout numbers then I would have no problem putting him in the pen and bringing up deGrom Montero or Syndergaard. Grow up man.

  • BronxMets

    way to be a team guy Mejia!!

  • Wrightstuf

    Because we didn’t have 3 stud young starting pitchers sitting in AAA when Gee and Niese were still new to the majors. Not to mention our bullpen is a coin toss right now anytime someone comes out.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    “Mejia has previously told the Mets that he would prefer being a Triple-A starter to relieving in the big leagues.”

    Be careful what you wish for.

  • metsaholic

    You know, since when do fans think that if the Mets think something is best for the team, they’re all for it. I’ve got to laugh at that. And as for Harvey…really? Harvey has shown that he is pretty independent regarding what is best for his own career. So, yes…Harvey thinks he can pitch, and might very well say no to the bullpen if he was asked. We might say he’s wrong, but I would not be surprised given their age and talent level.

  • BronxMets

    HOw many starts then?

  • Matt Mosher

    Just embrace the closers role, Jenrry. The man could be a dominant closer.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Bell has been garbage since he signed the 3 year deal with the Marlins a couple years back.

  • metsaholic

    We have 3 high prospects in AAA who we have no idea if they will be able to go past 3 innings in the majors. It seems to make more sense to continue to develop Mejia as a starter and bring one of those guys to the bullpen until we move Colon.

  • BronxMets

    there’s a genius sign two guys that have NO track record in MLB……….did ya stay up all night on that one.

  • Matt Mosher

    He also makes 9M, of which the Rays only pay 5. Not a chance the Mets sign him.

  • metsaholic

    How about 15? Okay with you?

  • Taskmaster4450

    And how would either of those have solved the OF problem unless you like an OF of EY, Lagares, and CY.

    Oh wait, I bet you wouldnt have signed CY which means Brown out there.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Blown saves happen 17% of the time on average.

    What is the percentage of times that a SP gives up 8 earned runs in a single inning?

  • BronxMets

    im just asking you to quantify your statement before you $hit all over everyone lese that’s all.

  • metsaholic

    So a quote by Adam Rubin, about what Mejia said is gospel? Really. Who did he say it to? When? Was it in ST when he was battling for a starting spot and had not been given equal innings to Dice-K? Did is not seem unfair to most fans, given Mejia’s future? Could we not understand his frustration which might have boiled over? If Harvey had said such a thing, how many would be coming to his defense?

  • metsaholic

    Wow, so I’ve sh!ted over everyone’s else because I wrote my disagreement. Get a grip man.

  • Taskmaster4450

    What about the quality of Hawkins performance on Saturday?

    He was the one who was going to take the loss if the Mets won.

  • Captain America

    Context would be great.

  • Taskmaster4450

    How? By signing and going on the DL?

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Great points.

  • I agree on the context. I don’t agree on the Harvey part as that type of comment I do not think would come from Harvey so the point is moot.

  • George_Theodore

    Maybe he meant he’d rather go down temporarily to work on starting?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Why does it matter when he said it? Unless his stance has changed, the fact that he’d rather be in AAA than the bullpen is relevant.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Mejia deserves another shot to “right” himself. He struggled the last couple games and there is reason for concern. However, you cannot judge a season by 2 performances (although most on here do).

    Perhaps it is time Warthen alter the game plan. It is obvious they are able to hone in on Mejia after seeing him a couple times in the game. So perhaps a different approach is needed.

    That being said, I still think Mejia is weak mentally. He is fantastic when things are going his way. However, as soon as a ball goes over the fence, he loses it. That is twice in a row we saw a repeat performance. He better learn to shake things off and focus upon the next hitter.

    Finally, I dont pin Mejia’s performance on Saturday on him. It was obvious to everyone other than Collins that he lost it. No way a SP can be left in to give up 8 earned runs in ONE INNING. That is almost impossible to do other than a complete blowout. That is loss number 3 on Terrible Terry for the year.

  • Jgreen

    Even Rays give up on him. Enough said.

  • Peter

    Well so much for doing whats good for your team! I discard that Colorado start anyway, it is Colorado, many pitchers get shelled there.

  • Again I disagree. Harvey has nothing to do with this discussion. You can’t say what if Harvey would have said it because nothing points to Harvey ever saying it.

  • HarvUgly

    After 10 days new team would be responsible for 400k.

  • metsaholic

    I think it does matter. And we might ask him why he said it? Did anyone follow up on that statement, or was it taken out of context? It might very well be, that he doubted the Mets confidence in him as a starter, and would rather have a chance to prove it in AAA then go to the bullpen. And I think it’s likely such a statement occurred in ST when he was battling Dice-K for the starting job and not getting equal innings. I think before we go bashing the guy as not a team player, we might try to consider the source as well.

  • KennyandtheMets

    If this report is accurate, Mejia should take his cue from Lagares. Lagares handled the talk about sharing time in the outfield beautifully. He said that he just wants to work hard and help the team. If he didn’t start a game he would be ready when called upon. Then he comes back off the DL and plays his butt off, making it impossible to sit him, other than giving him time off to protect his hammy. BTW, I hope that Juan gets a day off soon. He was flexing his leg during yesterday’s game. We can’t afford a torn hammy on our best all around player right now.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I think you’re getting all worked up because Mejia is the golden boy and you don’t want to believe any possible negative news. So you’re trying to pick it apart and discredit it.

    I’m not bashing him, but if he said it, he said it. Unless he’s changed his stance, it doesn’t matter when.

  • Hotstreak

    Ironic Ollie was bashed for refusing to go to AAA to straighten himself out and Mejia is bashed for wanting to go to AAA to staighten himself out.

  • Sylow59

    Rosenthal wants to start. He’s still the closer. CMart wants to start. He’s still the set up man. Neither wants to go to the minors. Neither is whining.

  • metsaholic

    You may have a point to your first statement, but it does not negate my statements on the matter. I standby my protestations on the response to what Mejia allegedly said.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Salary has a lot to do with it.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah, because you don’t want him to have said it but he did.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I thought CF was a problem with Lagares.

    All off season you wrote how Lagares isnt a major league player and cant hit.

    Did you change your stance since he still doesnt walk much.

  • metsaholic

    LOL, not really. I think my point is pretty clear. I don’t think it matters if he did. And if he did he might have a very good reason, and I would could very well agree with it.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Make Hawkins the closer. What?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Mets fans seem to take any media report they love as gospel and discredit any one they don’t.

  • Matt Mosher

    Ok….gotcha

  • Taskmaster4450

    They are good at that.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Why? Because he prefers to start over being in the BP?

    Maybe Mejia feels the move to the BP a few years back was what caused his arm trouble.

    At least Mejia isnt saying I will play anywhere as long as I am in the big leagues getting that check versus going down to the minors and getting a much smaller one.

  • metsaholic

    That might be true of all fans. The wise thing is for all fans to doubt everything they read until they have corroboration or more information. It might be wiser still to ignore most of what they read, keep their own counsel and opinions, which is what I do most times regarding my love of the Mets. i.e., if I think a player sucks, I says so, unless I see otherwise and vis-a-versa. I think I have a history of post that would backup that statement.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Okay.

  • Jakal42400

    All signs point to Tanaka being shelled by the league come June. He’s Igawa 2.0.

  • calamityfrancis

    I love Mejia, but this strikes me as a little selfish. Team comes first. If they need you in the ‘pen, you go to the pen.

  • WillisReid

    This is where bar graphs come in handy. Show him one highlighting the difference in pay between a AAA SP and an effective big league closer/reliever.

    I’m sure it might change his tune.

  • Taskmaster4450

    For Mejia, this year alone, it would be the difference between $500K and $80K.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    What about the article is ignorant? The Mets say Mejia in the pen is always an option and Mejia had previously said he’d rather not and would choose AAA. Where’s the ignorance?

    You just don’t like the report.

  • Taskmaster4450

    What does him being Dominican have to do with anything?

    So if he was from California, then it would be okay?

  • MetsfanInParadise

    I would like to know what the BA against him was during the 3rd time through the order prior to these last 2 starts. I think those numbers are skewed by the last 2 games and don’t really indicate a consistent dropoff. In his first 4 starts, the only one in which he allowed more than 1 run or 4 hits was 4/10 against Atlanta, and the damage was done in the 2nd and 3rd innings. In his other games he left early due to pitch counts, not ineffectiveness. I think that to sound any alert now, based on 2 starts, is to panic a bit. I’d like to see if a 3rd straight start shows that pattern before any changes are considered. Hell, it’s only 2 starts. Gee has seemed to work through his similar apparent difficulties, and Jenrry should have the same opportunity. I still think the outcome would have been different if someone had come out to the mound to give him a break and a chance to settle down in between the HBP and the grand slam.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I am never amazed at Met fans.

    Here are the facts. Mejia doesnt want to relieve. He wants to be a starter. This is no secret. Mejia never beat around the bush on this. This statement is in line with everything else he said the past two years. Nobody should be surprised. He wants to start and not relieve…period. He will even go to AAA to fulfill that desire for himself.

    And stop with the BP and how he will suddenly be an all star out there. He might but nobody knows how he will perform especially if his heart isnt into it.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    That’s not true at all. The report is entirely based in reality and written by a guy who covers the team and can ask a question right to the manager’s face. You really just don’t like it. I’d say stupid fans are the ones who get worked up over reports they don’t like. If Rubin were reporting Mejia is willing to pitch in the pen, you’d love it and probably talk about how he’s willing to do anything for the team.

  • WillisReid

    Good point. I do think he should get another start, but for a team built around it’s pitching with a pop gun offense, his leash needs to be short.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah but Rubin is a pig and a terrible journalist and when did Mejia say this and what was he eating at the time and what time was it and who else was in the room and what was on television at that time? These are the things we need to know!

  • $14435385

    The problem is the competing bar graph, which is the one he’s seeing: the difference in salary between MLB starting pitchers and relief pitchers. Mid-rotation guys are making $10+ million a year, which is about the same as elite relievers. Once you’re branded a reliever, it’s hard for anyone to see you as a starter anymore (this is different than coming up as a reliever to get a taste a la Wainwright, which was never intended to be a long-term move). He’s trying to avoid that fate…

  • Taskmaster4450

    You are so full of crap.

    There is nothing wrong with Mejia’s English. He was interviewed by Burkhaft the other day and he spoke fine.

    What is junk is your viewpoint and your lack of intellectual logic. Mejia has stated that he wants to start…;period. He doesnt want to relieve. This statement is in keeping with everything Mejia said about the topic.

    So stop being foolish.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    no, but saying that “Mejia has PREVIOUSLY told the Mets that he would prefer being a Triple-A starter to relieving in the big leagues”

    without mentioning WHEN Mejia made that statement is literally creating a story out of thin air.

    Mejia could’ve made that statement in March and Adam’s statement would be correct, and those who pay no attention to context would come to the conclusion that Mejia was selfish. Most folks dont really read the articles, its the headlines that grab and they come to conclusions.

    as far as the dominican angle, Rubin has had a history of going after latino players and creating controversy where there isnt. Whether that applies now, who knows.

  • metsaholic

    You know man, it’s just as stupid for you to get all worked up and insult fans for things you don’t like. You just finished with a debate with me just a few post below this threat. But you are so worked up about it that you had to pick the same fight with another poster. Get over it already.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    You do the same. I’m talking about the Mets. Don’t like it? Move along.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Yeah…Rubin even said “previously” and not that Mejia said it yesterday. Which is also in keeping with other reports that the Mets have an agreement with Mejia that he will start and not relieve.

    The guy who is speaking out of school is Collins (nothing new there).

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Ah, now it’s a race thing. Okay then.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    But Mejia has not said anything at all.

    Rubin said Mejia PREVIOUSLY mentioned he would rather start in the minors..

    When was previously, no one knows.

    this is the same “selfish” Jennry Mejia that ignored Fat Francisco’s advice of shutting it down and wanted to play for a poor defensive NY team in the middle of a mediocre season.

  • calamityfrancis

    colon is fine and only here short term. C. Young looks good and granderson is starting to look like himself.

    patience, my friends.

  • RyanF55

    This will be a classic example of the Mets jumping the gun if they send him down after back to back meltdowns. It’s alarming, but give the kid the next start to sort it out. He’d been great up until then, and deserves the right to start on Friday.

    Does his difficulty around the 6th inning/3rd time around in the lineup worry me? Yes. But sending him down right now isn’t the solution IMO. Give it more time and him the chance to make adjustments.

  • calamityfrancis

    that happens when you how very little money to spend.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Is Ike a Dominican? Because I remember that it was Rubin who made up the story about Ike being a party guy and the Mets upset with his late night activities. Of course, nothing appeared before that or since about Ike from either another reporter or Ike. Funny how a team that bashes their players publicly and airs all their dirty laundry (Turner not hustling) is mum about Ike’s party habits after he is traded.

    So maybe it isnt just latinos that Rubin creates controversy about especially with the “unnamed met source”.

  • metsaholic

    So that is your response now? I do what you do, so it’s cool. Don’t like it, lump it? Oh man, you like to come off as the voice of reason and logic, but you’re just as irrational, confused and immature as the fans you challenge with accusations of the same failings as yourself. No, I think I’m going to continue pointing out your foolishness and hypocrisy when it suits me.

  • Jakal42400

    I really don’t pay attention to anything the reporters put in the paper anymore. Too many questions on how, exactly what was said without me being there and hearing it for myself. Just for the teams sake and Mejia’s I think the next 2 starts (Phillies and Yanks, if everything stays on schedule) will be very telling for management. I also don’t take anything to heart as to what TC says, I do think however that what he did to Mejia, leaving him in there and allowing him to get shelled was an intentional move that I do not agree with. His ulterior motives of trying to get Dice-K in the rotation is what I think is behind it. Obviously that’s just speculation, but giving TC’s history, I wouldn’ t doubt it.

  • EzRider

    Why not give German the closer job. I still don’t trust Familia’s control. Farnsworth should still contribute he just can’t be out there day in and day out. Valverde is probably on track for being released. This Dice-K experiment is nice but can’t last.

    I say the time is now, as i’ve said before, for the Mets to make some moves to shore things up in the BP and SS. Call the D’backs and see what it would take to get Owings, Thatcher and Ziegler. Wheeler and d’Arnaud? Maybe. Gee, Degrom and something else? Okay. IDK i’m just saying, with where we are in the standings and the way we’ve been playing, over our heads, if we could shore up glaring weaknesses by being aggressive we may just be able to contend for at the very least a WC spot without giving away too much of the future.

    Another BP thought would be to try and trade Duda for a high upside arm. Demote Satin and call up the feel good story and performing Soup as well as Dykstra.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    No, but don’t come over here and start talking about how “you just had that conversation with me.” Now, I’m having it with someone else and I will probably have it with someone else later. If you’d like, I can send you an invite so you don’t miss it.

  • WillisReid

    True, it’s also hard to get another serious opportunity if you get the quad A label. I guess it’s on him to prove it. The stats posted above, coupled with the walks and his last two performances is def reason enough to put him on the bubble. Especially with 3 guys in Vegas almost ready.

  • USMF

    The things is that everyone is missing is that the quote didn’t say he wouldn’t work out of the bullpen…just that he’d rather start. That’s a completely honest answer and for any kid looking for long term success and a lucrative career would say the same thing.

    Unless you’re a top line closer, relievers don’t make a ton of money, don’t get stable contracts, don’t have steady routines and don’t have the ability to be that significant impact to the roster that starters have. And even most closers get burnt out after 2-3 years.

    I’d call BS on any kid, especially with potential who said they didn’t want to be a starter. Sure, label it as being selfish, but you’re looking at a difference in 10’s of millions of dollars and the chance to go into MLB history as something great or just another forgettable relief pitcher.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    how many blown saves do we have so far on the year ?

  • Taskmaster4450

    The fact that you cant follow logic shows where you stand. To point to Mejia’s language is a foolish argument. And stop with all latinos are victims and preyed upon. It is weak and a useless argument. Even your own post above shows other, non-latinos who Rubin has gone after. Ironically, this comment is in keeping with everything Mejia HAS SAID. HE DOESNT WANT TO RELIEVE…HE WANTS TO START. That is Mejia’s desire and he never waffled on that.

    Bush league charges of bias and victimization.

  • metsaholic

    Sorry dude, there is nothing wrong with what I said, or pointing out your calling the kettle black. And if I catch you at it, and I feel the need, I’m calling you out.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Of course, it always is.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Haha. What are you calling me out for again? I just want to make sure I’m clear.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Okay.

  • WillisReid

    I’d like to see Dice K get a shot, he’s still pretty young(in comp to the other vets) and it’s the only spot in the BP that gives him ample time to warm up. If he does the job well it could solve the problem for this year and possibly beyond.

  • metsaholic

    That you’re an obsessed, hypocrite who accuses others of having failings you have yourself. Clear enough for ya.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Haha. Okay buddy.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Demote the kid because of two bad starts?

  • metsaholic

    🙂 Glad we’re in agreement…pal.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Okay.

  • Taskmaster4450

    “Valverde is probably on track for being released.”

    Yeah because 1 ER in his last 5 appearances certainly merits getting released.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    excellent, now point out the part where I said he ONLY goes after latinos…

    In Ike’s case, the organization was not in love with him and had been taking shots at him for quite some time that year. the whole ike goes to the movies thing (along with matt cerrone calling him “aloof” ) screamed black sheep.

  • $14435385

    Agreed. The challenges with Mejia are twofold (and related), as I see them: first, he’s not making in-game adjustments. When you watch guys like Colon (his last start notwithstanding) or Gee, you can see they’re setting up at bats #2 and 3 the first time through the lineup. Mejia hasn’t learned how to do that yet, so his approach is similar in inning 1 and innings 5-6. Big leaguers figure stuff like that out.

    The second problem is mental – he’s an emotional guy, and he hasn’t learned how to put that crap aside and focus on executing pitches when the roof starts to cave in. When he gets upset, he gets amped and tries to throw the ball through the glove – not only does that screw up his rhythm, but it also flattens out the natural cutting action his ball has when he’s throwing free and easy.

    I still think he can be an effective starter (though I’ve maintained from the beginning that he’d have more value as a closer, given his repertoire and temperament). But he’ll have to figure out how to better plan a game and manage his emotions if he wants to keep his job for long.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Well if you were saying he goes after non-latinos as well as latinos, then the Dominican angle has no bearing. He goes after all equally.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    when did mejia say he would rather start in the minors?
    why was adam rubin not able to get a quote from mejia?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    or it could be any player associated with the previous regime.

    in 4 years there has only been 1 negative article about anyone sandy ever brought in.( Francisco…giving mejia bad advice )

    do u think thats a coincidence?

  • BronxMets

    hey try to stay on topic will ya………keep the story straight and don’t screw it up

  • Martin

    1. it isnt true that he would rather be a triple a starter.
    2. it doesnt matter what he wants.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    awesome, so if we move mejia to the pen and he blows out his arm, u can pay his bills.

  • prosoundz

    The problem with Sandy is that he keeps signing the WRONG free agents. Frank Francisco, DJ Carrasco, Farnsworth, Valverde, Colon, Granderson, the list goes on and on. He had the funds and he blew it on a 40 year old ped user and a guy who hit hrs at a band box. The better options were to go with the 1-2 year deals for Chris Young, which he did and is turning out the way it should. Nelson Cruz should’ve been the next 1-2 year deal. Those were the SAFE less risky signings. Granderson was to much of a risk. The real risk should’ve been to sign Jose Abreu, anyone with a pair of eyes could see the kid would have no problems hitting major league pitching. Alderson dropped the ball.

  • BronxMets

    I think it was a reasonable request

  • Martin

    well, so far, he is proving me wrong. but i think he should have at least 100 AB before we start making declarations bout his hitting ability.

  • metsaholic

    Nothing wrong with asking questions. Only a fool would take anything they’ve read as gospel without at least some critical thinking.

  • $14435385

    FWIW, Tejada and Granderson appear to be hitting in some hard luck compared to the rest of the league:
    https://twitter.com/msimonespn/status/463325396797100032/photo/1

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I think there’s a difference between asking questions and calling Rubin “a pig” and “slime” and accusing him of having a vendetta against Mejia and Latin players in general.

    But that’s Mets fans.

  • Tommy Med

    Mejia should’ve been out of the inning against the Rockies. Murphy should’ve made that play it was on the ground for 5 seconds it seemed like before he got to it, and Duda dropped the double play. A little bad luck and poor pitch selection is what mejia has experienced the past two starts.

    3rd time through the batting order he needs to mix it up more. Still think he’s gonna have a solid year.

  • metsfansince64

    Adam Rubin reported this back on or about March 23. However, he did not identify his source, and it’s very doubtful that it was Mejia. Mejia has certainly indicated his preference for starting, but he has also said he will do whatever is needed for the good of the team, which contradicts Rubin. Here are Mejia’s own words:

    Feb 10 — “The only thing I know is that’s going to be a competition — because
    I’m here, my arm feels good,” Mejia said. “I’ll be ready to be there.
    Whatever they want me to do, that’s what I have to do. But I want to be
    in the fifth spot…”

    March 6 — “If they want to use me in the bullpen, I’ve got to be
    there. I’ve got to work hard. Always have to do what the team needs,
    “Mejia said. “Not worry about myself, but worry about the team’s
    needs. Be there in the bullpen; try to do my job. Reliever, starter, it doesn’t
    matter.”

  • metsfansince64

    Two things about Jose Abreu. First, SSS. Sure, he may turn out great, but it’s still awfully early, and teams don’t have a lot of tape on him yet. The word was he had some serious holes in his swing. But even more importantly, the word was he was a DH masquerading as a 1B. He makes more sense for an AL team.

    Not that I’m not disappointed the Mets didn’t at least consider him. And if it turns out he’s the real deal and can play an adequate 1B, it’ll look even worse.

  • metsaholic

    That’s SOME Mets fans, yourself included.

  • EzRider

    My bad. I should have checked my facts. I still wouldn’t go back to him in the closer role. He and Farnsworth could leverage those middle innings.

  • metsaholic

    Thank you for being a voice of reason here. Joe D should have included the quotes in his article.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I called Rubin a pig and slime and accused him of something? Where?

  • Macdaddy

    By it’s very nature the game is and shall always be one that will produce numerous statistical inferences. Thus you are left with debates or ponderings like this one…and more importantly what do you do or take from the findings. If this is the collective pattern, which dates back to when he started then the body of info is loud and compelling. If not and is more of a recent occurrence then you heed the knowledge and monitor.

    This is the paradox and unfortunately young pitchers look at the economics and obviously the ego factor in these situations, as pitchers are paid more as starters than relief…and everyone wants to be a starter. How you handle these situations and foster a good line of communication with the player and coaching staff will either work well or it won’t. Plus there is a mental aspect to being a relief pitcher or closer that is different on numerous levels. Yet another element that needs to be factored into the whole discussion, and more importantly if the personality of the player fits the role.

    He might be a solid closer and best suited to the pen, but if he doesn’t buy into it then the whole experiment will fail. At this point if you make that call, there really is no turning back and this throws another element into the mix. For me…which as we know is a useless comment…but I would potentially have Mejia become the set up guy and let him work 2 innings versus one much the same way the Yankees ultimately converted Mo Rivera and used him as a set up guy before making the full time move to closer.

  • Lotus1209

    Point is… If he doesnt want to be a reliever than he needs to stop imploding like he did the last two starts. Obviously its a SSS but if he continues to do this the rumors about his move to the bullpen will only INCREASE.

    If the Rubin quotes are true, he needs to realize his future is in his hands. If he wants to remain a starter he needs to start giving consistent 6-7 inning starts while keeping his team in a game not going for the shutout every single time only to be blown up in one inning.

    No fan likes a player who whines about his position on the team. You want to be a starter? Then pitch like one.

  • Bail4Nails

    Hey, Martin’s back! What do you think of that Scrub Lagares buddy? He’s on a real Lucky streak lately, with all that Defense and Offense.

  • Lotus1209

    with the way TDA started off… I’m surprised he’s not on this list. Tejada on top? I could have sworn TDA had like twice the amount of hard-ball hits straight to fielders.

  • Martin

    he isnt on a defensive streak he has always been a good defender.

  • Bail4Nails

    Weren’t we all discussing this same problem with Gee a month ago? I haven’t heard much bad news about Gee on here lately.
    Maybe getting through the order 3 Times, is just something Mejia has to learn this year. He could go to Gee for advice, seeing as Gee went through the same exact thing fairly recently. How quickly we all forget.

  • Hotstreak

    TC shold have taken Mejeia out four batters sooner. It is Coors Field. We are talking about a comback thrawted by BP. What Nejia did become irrelevant once we had the lead in the 9th. Our closer was on the other team.

  • metsaholic

    Okay, you didn’t. My apologies, you’re excused from SOME fans for now. Feel better?

  • Bail4Nails

    Just a terrible Hitter getting lucky, got it.

  • Jack

    Don’t give up on Mejia yet Mets fans. He only had two bad innings – well okay, they were awful buy hopefully he can become more consistent and pitch deeper into games but I think the Mets should still stick with him. He has tons of potential and is actually a few months younger than Harvey surprisingly.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Apology accepted. I forgive you.

  • metsaholic

    You’re so right and I pointed out the very same thing earlier in this thread. Niese, Gee, Wheeler…et.al, all had some troubles at some point in their third time through the order. I think some fans made up their minds long ago that Mejia should be in the pen and are looking for any opportunity to push that idea. IMHO, starters are more valuable and are harder to come by than relievers. So the Mets should show the same patience with Mejia they have shown to the other starting pitchers.

  • Andrew Herbst

    That’s true, but teams like the Rays and A’s can build very solid pens without having huge payrolls.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I think we shouldn’t give up on Meija just yet. Gee had the same problem of going deep into games and struggling against the lineup the 3rd time around.

  • DrDooby

    Leave the young kid alone. The stuff is there and certainly diverse enough to get through an order multiple times.
    His body & pitching style may not make him a great bet for a long career or to constantly pitch deep into games. What has already been determined is that he hates relieving and clearly feels more comfortable starting games. That should be considered when determining what his ultimate role will be.

    If the Mets do not believe he can be a fulltime SP going forward, maybe Mejia can be a key piece in a trade for a SS or something else the Mets could use. I´m pretty sure that some of the other 29 teams believe they can use Mejia as a fulltime SP, though the debate itself is very understandable and there certainly are questions.

  • billpulsipher

    He should be the closer since they dont have one because Farnsworth is absolute garbage and sandy the genius wont lift a finger to get outside help

  • billpulsipher

    no lets make a 38 year old washed up bum closer (Valverde) then when he fails lets make a 40 year old washed up bum closer(Farnsworth) then when he fails lets make a starting pitcher who’s never pitched in relief in his life closer (Dice K) then when he fails lets just do nothing….i like your plan better

  • Bail4Nails

    You’re right. Like when Colon gave up 9 Runs on 4 HRs is Totally Different. Or Wheeler and Colon’s Awful Starts on Thursday and Friday in Colorado— totally different.
    Mejia should really be the ONLY met Pitcher who’s not allowed to have a bad start. What was his record before Saturday’s loss again?
    Maybe we should just see how he does in his next few Starts. Maybe he can learn how to negotiate the Third time through the order, like every other Pitcher in the Mets Rotation had to learn. Gee, Niese, and Wheeler have all had the same problem before.

  • billpulsipher

    yeah the old guy who has mediocre stuff and awful control should be a GREAT closer…much better than the young guy who throws 96 and has closer stuff…Dice K=closer of the future…totally

  • jaygreen55

    If after a few more starts Mejia still can’t get through the 5th why would another team want to make him a starter?

  • Bail4Nails

    First, Mejia would’ve only given up 4 Runs if TC took him out when he was supposed to. The same EXACT thing happened to Gee in the 5th Inning earlier in this Season. Gee was wild, not Hitting his spots, and giving up Hits. Terry didn’t take him out, and Gee gave up some Runs.
    Two, you’re hung up on this 8 Runs number. While these Young Pitchers (Mejia is still Young) are trying to Negotiate the 5th and 6th Inning, a good Manager has to know when to push him, and when to get him out.
    Did you watch Wheeler’s Starts at all last year? He also had a problem the Third time through the order, as did Niese 2 years ago, and Gee as recent as this year. It is a very common obstacle in the Learning Process for young Starting Pitchers.

  • Joe

    I’ve been reading through this topic and i’m happy to see more people agree with me than disagree with me.

    Keep everything in perspective guys. Mejia is 24 years old and is gaining MLB experience. Rushing him to the bullpen / sending him to the minors over a stretch of a couple bad starts is an illogical idea, especially considering he’s shown how talented he is.

    I understand we have DeGrom and Montero waiting to come up. They deserve their chance, don’t get me wrong. But they’re young too. They’re going to have a couple bad starts at some point. Do you automatically dismiss them? This is such an illogical damaging concept. Not everyone is Matt Harvey. Gee had to go through multiple bad stretches before establishing himself as a pitcher who fits our rotation last year. And he will have a bad start here and there too in this upcoming year. It’s not like these guys are Shawn Marcum lol.

    You can’t automatically dismiss Mejia as a starting pitcher. Give the guy until atleast the all-star break. It’s not like every single start was awful. He was pitching fantastic before these last two starts. Don’t jump to wild conclusions.

  • jaygreen55

    I wouldn’t rush to pull the plug but if it continues a move to the bullpen might be necessary. Mariano Rivera came up as a starter for the Yankees in 1995 and started 10 games before they decided to move him to the pen because he couldn’t get past the 4th or 5th inning. As they say the rest is history

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Your analysis is incomplete. If you want to make a point that Mejia can’t get through the order a third time around. Show his numbers without the last two blow ups, so it will not scew the data.

  • Joey D.

    Task,

    We were not talking about one game. We were talking about the performances of his last few outings. To point out one bad relief outing for anyone would be petty.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Don’t most young starters have trouble the third time through the lineup? Seems to me he needs to keep starting to work on that problem, rather than giving up on him and saying he’s no more than a reliever.

  • billpulsipher

    it worked for mariano rivera. it worked for jason isringhausen. make him a closer. put Montero in the rotation. send Valverde and Farnsworth out to pasture

  • Agee’s Catch

    How much time do you give him?
    Where do you let him work it out?

    I agree with you. I’m just wondering what your thoughts are to my questions

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    For what it’s worth, Rubin does speak a solid amount of Spanish. He’s not fluent, but I don’t think a lot gets lost on him.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Well they’re probably not going to bring up Montero or Syndegaard until at least the middle of June, so you have time to let him work it out in the rotation. That is unless you want to bump Mejia for Dice-K, which doesn’t make much sense since Mejia is the future and Dice-K is not.

  • Dark HelMet

    That’s not irony

  • SCarton12

    As a reliever his FB would probably increase 2-3 mph.

  • Dark HelMet

    He can touch 98. IF he pitched 1 inning at a time, he could probably sit at 96

  • metsaholic

    Because they have more patience than a “few more starts” for a 24 y.o. former #1 prospect with a winning record on a bad team?

  • BehindTheBag

    How’s grandersons track record doing?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Haha. No, it’s an article about the possibility of Mejia in the bullpen, which is a topic because he gets hit hard the third and fourth times through the lineup. It’s a relevant topic because we just saw it. It’s called being a journalist. You ask the relevant questions.

    And then there’s one line that is relevant because it has to do with Mejia’s stance on going to the pen that he had previously stated.

    You’re focusing on that one single line.

  • BehindTheBag

    I would have signed mclouth as half a platoon with brown

  • BehindTheBag

    Really? What signs are those? You must be psychic.

  • jaygreen55

    How many starts do you think is enough? 10? 15? the whole season?

    I like Mejia. He has great stuff but he just might not be a starting pitcher. Look at Mariano. He started 10 games for the Yankees in 1995 and had the same issues as Mejia. They moved him

    Right now you have Montero Degrom and Syndegard
    baking in the desert in an environment that is not nurturing for pitchers and a dire need in the pen here.

  • metsaholic

    So bring up Montero, Degrom or Syndegard and put them in the pen. We have no idea if any of those guys can give us 3 innings in the majors. Why do they get pushed in to the rotation and Mejia, in his first full season, gets pushed out. There are very few pitchers who start out like Matt Harvey. Even Matt Harvey didn’t start out like Matt Harvey. Mejia deserves the same patience we had for a young Gee, Niese and Wheeler. So yeah, how about we give him until the end of the season or until he reaches his pitch count as a starter. Starters don’t grow on trees ya know.

  • Helloboy

    I think his woes are entirely in his head. The drop off in one inning is absolutely staggering at this point.

    I do not like the attitude of preferring to start in AAA. If you have a role in the big leagues, you should want to be there.

    Mejia has plus stuff and is usually good the first couple of times through an order. I think he would actually do well as a closer, where he throws several tough pitches and can be tough late in game.

    I would discount the last start though, because anything that happens in Colorado is to be taken with a grain of salt. The place would have kept Seaver out of the Hall if he had to pitch there…

  • BronxMets

    in MLB very well. any other questions?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    when did mejia say he would rather start in the minors?

    why cant u just answer the question?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    the question is…

    is there a better chance of Mejia learning how to get past the 5th inning than there is of Degrom, Montero, Thor being better than Mejia ?

    if Mejia learns how to get past the 5th inning, is he more valuable as a starter or reliever ?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Caso Cerrado
    Case Closed

  • Agee’s Catch

    I’ve read people’s comments on this site and a few fans have been knowledgeable enough to ask this question of Wheeler and deGrom, due to there difficulties later in games.

    With Mejia, were talking about two consecutive implosions. Wheeler hasn’t been horrific. deGrom is arguably the most polished pitcher we have in AAA. But he is still prone to high pitch counts.

  • Actually Mejia has been better than Wheeler yet no one is bringing the bullpen option up for Wheeler. Why?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Gee I wonder why Adam Rubin never included THESE DIRECT QUOTES

    Mejia has certainly indicated his preference for starting, but he has
    also said he will do whatever is needed for the good of the team, which
    contradicts Rubin. Here are Mejia’s own words:

    Feb 10 — “The only thing I know is that’s going to be a competition — because
    I’m here, my arm feels good,” Mejia said. “I’ll be ready to be there.
    Whatever they want me to do, that’s what I have to do. But I want to be
    in the fifth spot…”

    March 6 — “If they want to use me in the bullpen, I’ve got to be
    there. I’ve got to work hard. Always have to do what the team needs,
    “Mejia said. “Not worry about myself, but worry about the team’s
    needs. Be there in the bullpen; try to do my job. Reliever, starter, it doesn’t
    matter.”

  • Whats ridiculous about this is, most of the Mets starting staff has been struggling to get past the 5th inning not just Mejia.. but, they want Jenry to go to the bullpen.. Ugh.. so dumb! Right now our best starter is Gee, followed by Neise. Btw Neise is a guy everyone keeps throwing into every trade idea they come up with.. Smh!

  • jaygreen55

    Considering that he’s never pitched more than 94 innings in a season and his injury history what would his innings cap be? Certainly less than 150 so he’s destined to either be sent to the pen or shut down at some point this year. If that’s the case would it be smarter to make the transition sooner rather than later

  • Just_Da_damaja

    no…

    whats ridiculous about this is that folks buy into the whole selfish bit…

    even after Jennry is quoted saying the following..

    Feb 10 — “The only thing I know is that’s going to be a competition — because
    I’m here, my arm feels good,” Mejia said. “I’ll be ready to be there.
    Whatever they want me to do, that’s what I have to do. But I want to be
    in the fifth spot…”

    March 6 — “If they want to use me in the bullpen, I’ve got to be
    there. I’ve got to work hard. Always have to do what the team needs,

    “Mejia said. “Not worry about myself, but worry about the TEAM’s
    NEEDS. Be there in the bullpen; try to do my job. Reliever, starter, it doesn’t matter.”

  • CJM

    Colon has gone 6 or more in 4/6 starts.
    Wheeler has gone 6 or more in 4/6 starts.
    Gee has gone 6 or more in 6/7 starts.
    Niese has gone 6 or more in 4/5 starts.
    Mejia has gone 6 or more in 2/6 starts.

    Of the 10 times Mets starters have failed to go at least 6 innings, Mejia holds 4 of them. So your assertion that most of the team’s staff has been struggling to get past the 5th inning is false.

  • Jakal42400

    Not psychic, just watching. People are hitting his first pitch and if he doesn’t get ahead in the count he struggles putting hitters away. By June you are meeting teams multiple times at that point. It was an observation, not a psychic premonition.

  • BehindTheBag

    I had to go back and check….yep he’s still .173/.281/.269

    Nice track record.

    Abreu is leading the league with 12 homers by the way…and he’s in his prime.

  • BronxMets

    track record means years not this year……….go argue with yourself.

  • jaygreen55

    As I mentioned above, Mejia has never pitched more than 94 innings in a season and has a history of arm problems.
    His innings limit is probably less than 150 so he will have to be moved to the pen or shut down at some point this year.

    Starters don’t grow on trees but there is a surplus of starters and a shortage of competent relievers in the organization

    The comparison with Gee doesn’t hold
    He’s been a succesful starting pitcher in the league for many years leading the team both in wins and innings, routinely working into the 7th and 8th

  • Tomthetinker

    You are missing the point. He is a young pitcher period…these things happen.

  • LongTimeFan1

    “Gee I wonder why Adam Rubin never included THESE DIRECT QUOTES”

    Why?

    Because it was Mejia’s most recent quote shortly before he was named starter – he said he would rather start in minors than be in big league pen.

  • LongTimeFan1

    Joe D –

    It sure looks like you’re using a recycled quote from late spring training as headline implying it’s new. Am I mistaken here or is this what you’re doing?

  • Tomthetinker

    It matters what he wants in the sense if you send him to the bull pen and his moral drops followed by his production his value will be lost also.

  • Tomthetinker

    you dont trade d’narnaud at this point unless its for something big.

  • Tomthetinker

    The only dif is this is Mejia’s first year in the majors.

  • Tomthetinker

    so what happenes when those other young starters come up and have a couple bad starts??? gonna send them to pen too?? He has to work things out now as a starter and he most likely will. If he is a mixed bag with some good starts and siome bad starts you keep him in at least another month to figure out what we really have.

  • Martin

    lets hope he is more professional than that.

  • Martin

    perhaps he is improving. hope so.

  • Bail4Nails

    Martin, I have to say it looks like you were right about Chris Young. Looking at the last 2 Season’s stats didn’t really do him justice. Watching him play though, I have to admit he’s got a good idea at the plate, and some good range in the Outfield. It’s early still, but I’m not hating the Outfield right now.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    except there was no “recent” quote from Mejia.
    Mejia does not want to work in relief. He previously has relayed to the
    Mets that he would prefer being a Triple-A starter to relieving in the
    big leagues.

    – Adam Rubin
    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/85800/tc-mejia-in-pen-always-in-the-conversation

    now lets look at the last time Mejia was on record.

    March 6 — “If they want to use me in the bullpen, I’ve got to be
    there. I’ve got to work hard. Always have to do what the team needs,

    “Mejia said. “Not worry about myself, but worry about the team’s
    needs. Be there in the bullpen; try to do my job. Reliever, starter, it doesn’t
    matter.”

  • Just_Da_damaja

    i would shut him down, then bring up a retread from AAA. not a Montero / Degrom / Thor.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    if he has arm problems, how is making him change his regimen and pitch more frequently going to help ?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    so if a pitcher gives up 7 runs in 4 innings, but gets knocked around in every inning, thats better !

    well alrighty then…

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Wheeler in 2013

    1st time through lineup – batters hit .191
    2nd time through lineup – batters hit .233
    3rd time through lineup – batters hit .323
    4th time through lineup – batters hit .333

    batters

    Gee in 2013

    1st time through lineup – batters hit ..231
    2nd time through lineup – batters hit .255
    3rd time through lineup – batters hit .318
    4th time through lineup – batters hit .409

    lets talk about it..

  • Just_Da_damaja

    not really.

    4 years in and how many players brought in by Sandy has ever broken a story on?
    Not one.

    not a single player Sandy brought in has gone to the movies late at night, ever had an attitude, sulked in the clubhouse, ever called Terry Collins a cocksawker, ever not given a ride to any player, nothing…

    not one rumor at all..in 4 years…

    but yeah, fiasco after fiasco and lets pretend there isnt a coincidence there…

  • Martin

    cheers! he was due to bounce back to the mean of his career numbers, and especially he can hit lefties. i dont recall endorsing him strongly, but certainly i dont think he was a disastrous one year contract.

  • AJF

    But Wheeler is Sandy one out of 2 only big moves so he gets a longer leash

  • TurdFerguson

    well the fourth time through the lineup stats explain nothing because in order for players to get 4 abs in a game, the pitcher would have to have a rough start. 27 outs, 9 guys in a lineup thats 3 ab’s a player. Also, many pitchers in todays game don’t pitch deep into games anymore so by the time they get 3 and 4 times through the order, they’re pulled anyway.

  • Charley’s Twin

    “I’m not willing to move to the bullpen until the fans start buying tickets.”

    Mejia, as translated by Jeff Wilpon

  • MikePiazza3186

    Lol what a joke so when do we start to judge tejada!!! Fu sandy!!!

  • derek murphy

    When mejia starts he shoul d throw the cutter 80% of the time. It’s been compacted to riveras n Rivera ddnt throw much else. Throw cutter, cutter,cutter.

  • BCleveland3381

    EY is not a leadoff hitter, nor should he be starting everyday. The amount of fans that actually believe EY is one of the three best OFs on this team is sickening.

  • derek murphy

    Mejia has said on more than one occasion his preference is to start but he will do whatever told. Pitchers want to start cause starters make the most money. If they don’t stArt they want to close cause they make 2nd most.

  • RyanF55

    Confusion within the front office on how to use a player!? That’s a first.

    Mejia’s inability to pitch deep into games is concerning, but I think it shouldn’t shock anyone. He hasn’t pitched deep into games or deep into seasons yet in his young career. Do you let him try to sort out how to pitch himself later into games, or do you ship him to the starved bullpen and bring up Dice-K for the 5th spot until Syndergaard is “ready” (more when the team is willing to bring him up)? Mejia has had back-to-back implosions, one with an asterisk because it was in Denver. I’m very interested to see how he pitches Friday…we know his passion and how he wants to be a starter. This is the time to convince the team he shouldn’t go anywhere. I also blame said back-to-back implosions in part on Terry for leaving him in to get absolutely shelled.

  • Big Daddy D

    1. Add Montero and deGrom to the pen.
    2. Get rid of Valverde and Scott Rice
    1. Promote Wilmer Flores start him at SS
    2. Demote Omar Q.
    1. Move Mejia to the pen and closer
    2. Promote Syndergaard.
    1. Never put Granderson as a clean up hitter
    2. Bat him 5th and either Chris Young or Duda 4th
    1. Fire Dave Hudgens
    2. Hire Keith Hernandez

  • Wolfmicky21

    Identify a problem. Fix it.
    Identify another problem. Fix it.
    Unfortunately, the mets don’t operate this way.

  • SCarton12

    LMAO if it was only that simple. You’re a pitching genius.

  • Don’t you just hate the NY media at times?
    So they basically took a quote from Mejia from when he was coming back from injury, turned it into a story months later and then forced the team and Mejia to make a statement on something he really never even said in this situation.

    So let’s see, make a story that didn’t exist… Get clicks.
    Get a retraction… Get clicks.
    Write a story about how the Mets are divided on Mejia… Get clicks.
    Write a story on how Mets made the decision… Get clicks.
    Make up a story how Mejia is pissed… Repeat.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    Wow! A guy says he would rather start in AAA ball rather than stay in the Big Leagues as a reliever. That is stunning to me and yells me one thing. I DON’T WANT TO BE A MET AND BE ON A LOSING TEAM FOR MY CAREER.

  • mad met

    Granderson 6-7. Derom to rotation mejia to closer trade neise before his arm falls off bring up montero and florez at ss see what we got ..ps.duda sucks

  • SD(BK)Mike

    that or “I’d rather know I’m pitching every 5 days instead of overusing my arm in a mismanaged bullpen”

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    or, “I’d rather make tens of millions more.”

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Well, I can understand someone preferring a career path that is much more lucrative and in greater demand.

    Plus, I would bet most starters look at having to switch to the bullpen as a personal failing–that’s gotta be hard to stomach.

  • RyanF55

    Traffic is traffic, whether it’s good or bad and the media knows that. We are constantly fed crap which is later analyzed on blogs and then commented on by a-holes like me haha. All of it equals money for the media.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Awesome, awesome, awesome comment.

    Once upon a time in the journalism profession, this would be embarrassing. Now it’s the standard revenue model.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    1. Why do you and pretty much everyone else are dead set on Montero to the BP?
    2. Scott Rice is the only lefty in the pen.
    3. Mejia to the pen? What about Wheeler?????
    4. Syndergaard is not ready.
    5. Keith Hernandez would never work for Richie 4-12-2 or Collins.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    Yes certainly if you are in the METS bullpen you will be over used. I can see that.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Especially if your starters only give you six innings every night.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    You’re forgetting that the comment from Mejia wasn’t the story. The story was the possibility of him going to the bullpen. The comment was added because it is relevant, but it wasn’t the story.

    It was, however, the only part anyone paid attention to.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Not defending the press in any way here, but I would like to point out that they need to write SOMETHING, every single day. Let’s face it, the Mets are a boring team if you’re not a die hard.

  • markr

    Is it realistic to think that if the Mets move Mejia to the pen within the next 2-4 weeks that it will be a AAA starter coming up rather than them simply moving Dice-K back to the rotation? I’d like to see a young arm come up to take that spot, plus Vic Black and get rid of Valverde and Farnsworth.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    But didn’t the media create the story, as opposed to reporting on one?

    1. Question Mejia’s ability to start; suggest bullpen.
    2. Add an unattributed/undated/out of context quote that will be sure to get readers angry.
    3. Sit page and count the page clicks.
    4. Follow up with subsequent articles, but never admit that you invented the narrative, steered the response, and poisoned some readers’ perception of Mejia (now he’s selfish).

    Do I have it right?

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    But is trolling the best way to do it?

  • Charley’s Twin

    No. Frankly I wish they would bother the Wilpons instead of Mejia, but that’s not going to happen sadly.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    First off, everything written on the web is to get page clicks. Everything. So that’s really not some knock on Rubin or any other site. No one writes something they hope no one sees. They’re not making things up to “get clicks.” That’s just stupid.

    Is it wrong to question Mejia’s ability to start? That’s what everyone on this site has been doing. His ERA certainly makes it easy to do so.

    The quote was not out of context. He said he didn’t want to go to the bullpen. If he’s since changed his mind about that, then that’s different. But the quote is the quote. If he didn’t say it, then where’s the stuff from the Mets disputing it?

    I think everyone is just upset that Mejia may have preferred AAA to the bullpen at one time so they’re choosing to shoot the messenger. There’s this stupid “everyone is out to get us” mentality that Mets fans seem to have developed. You think the media is “trolling” Mets fans, which is just so silly.

  • Charley’s Twin

    hadn’t considered that angle before. I think you’re on to something. (that is, taking the move personally)

  • Taskmaster4450

    I think what everyone is overlooking is that if Mejia is moved to the BP, I dont think we see Degrom or Montero but Dice K in the starting rotation.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Fine, put him in the bullpen. We’re going to have to make room for other starters somehow. But let’s not pretend that Gee and Wheeler don’t have equally ugly stats the third and fourth times through a batting order. That’s not some pre-requisite for relieving.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Velverde gave up 1 ER in his last 6 outings (6 IP) for an ERA of 1.50 and you want to cut him?

  • Depends on when, which is why I am fine with them waiting another few starts.

  • Taskmaster4450

    What is a problem?

    A couple weeks ago Gee was a problem going later in games and many were ready to dump him. Now, no problem.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Am I the only one reminded by this of the situation with the Yankees and Joba?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Actually they havent jerked him anywhere, just talked about it.

    But a decision needs to be made and stick with it. If he is a starter then start the kid somewhere, if not then put him in the BP and move on.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    They’re not making things up to “get clicks.” That’s just stupid.

    I’d argue that they’re twisting the narrative to get page clicks. So, being disingenuous as opposed to outright lying. Not sure that’s a big victory here.

    Is it wrong to question Mejia’s ability to start?

    Nope.

    The quote was not out of context.

    Another option I included was “undated.” It seems like they used an old quote (rather than following up recently), didn’t say anything about it being from two months ago, when it was a different situation (so actually, I’d say it actually IS out of context) to fuel fan outrage.

    I’m not shooting the messenger. I’m objecting to the underhanded way that these stories are presented, because they distort the truth and damage the image of the players. I’m not a fan of troll journalism.

    But hey, anything for page clicks, right?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yep. Adam Rubin’s goal every morning is wake up and find a way to get page clicks, to get people to read his work. That is, in actuality, his job. You figured out what being a journalist is.

    And yes, the whole universe is out to get the Mets fan. They’re all trolling us. Every one of them. It’s the world vs. the Mets fan. Woe to us.

  • CyYout

    I just had a stroke trying to read this sentence.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Thanks for being a condescending ass.

  • metsaholic

    “And yes, the whole universe is out to get the Mets fan. They’re all
    trolling us. Every one of them. It’s the world vs. the Mets fan.” Where did he say that? Where?

  • Charley’s Twin

    not a surprise.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments
  • metsaholic

    Yep, you can’t handle the truth so you resort to this. You’re pathetic.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    What’s the truth again?

  • DrDooby

    The problem is that some pitchers just happen to be tweeners. Somewhat similar to Wilmer Flores’ future position…

  • metsaholic

    Oh…that you come up short in reading comprehension and that you’re a condescending ass. That clear enough for ya sparky.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    It doesn’t really matter, my friend.

    Your goal here is to be a contrarian, and occasionally a d!ck to people. You thrive on oversimplifications (like journalism equaling page clicks–I know you’re not that stupid) and straw man arguments (“you said everyone is out to get Mets fans!!! LOLOL!!!”).

    I’ve tried to make it work, but I’m just not happy anymore. I’m looking for someone who wants a decent conversation. Deep down, it’s not me, it’s you.

    I’m sure you’ll meet a great female troll one day, and have lots of beautiful troll babies. But I have to move on without you.

    Good luck baiting others.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Ah, gotcha.

  • metsaholic

    Well said.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    You’re giving me the “it’s not you, it’s me” routine!? I invented that. If it’s anyone, it’s me!

  • metsaholic

    It shouldn’t have taken you that long to figure it out.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Awww. You two are cute together.

  • CyYout

    If we want to see Thor or Montero in the rotation this year, someone is going to have to move (unless there’s a trade of some kind, of course). It’s not going to be Colon, Wheeler, Niese, or Gee. At some point, a young guy we consider a starter will have to be in the bullpen. There’s no way around that.

  • metsaholic

    But without you there’s no menage e trois. You know you like it.

  • sarge69

    Hey MMO mgmt, is there a problem with my posts?
    I have posted twice today and they have ghosted out and are gone
    I have never posted anything contrary to MMO guidelines, what is up friends?
    Just asking nicely. 🙂

  • metsaholic

    Actually Colon is a more than reasonable option to trade. He is over paid and just a slip away from being another 20 million dollar albatross on the Mets payroll. They should move him the first chance they get.

  • Right, also keep in mind that the quote didn’t even have a quote.

    “Mejia had previously indicated he would rather go to AAA than relieve.”

    Where’s the quote from Mejia?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    So why the fuss with mejia ?

  • billpulsipher

    cant wait to see Dice K in the rotation…joy for joy

  • Not4

    Same has happened to me. Think it may just be a server/connection issue

  • Not4

    Well they did jerk him around a few years ago when they foolishly let Jerry use him in the BP and bingo, boingo, TJ surgery followed shortly thereafter.

    That said, while no one in the FO has seemed to speak about it, its hard to imagine that Mejia will not be moved to the BP at some point this year, just because he has to be on an innings limit of around 100-130 innings one would think (maybe even less). Not sure how clubs deal with young pitchers coming off injured-shortened seasons, but he has never pitched more than about 110 or 120 innings if memory serves.

  • derek murphy

    U want to put wheeler in the pen he just shut out one of the highest scoring teams in the NL. Wheeler is going to be a stud. Mejia hasn’t pitched a lot of innings the last 2 years and is still building up arm strength. He has been very good so far this season. He has imploded a couple of times late in games recently that goes without saying. After a few starts people were annointi him best thing since sliced bread. He has a ways to go but can be an above average starter In this league. Until he proves he can’t hack it there’s no reason to move him. He would be a great closer but has proven he dont respond well to getting moved around.

  • derek murphy

    DeGrom and Thor look like there ready but I wAnt to see them as starters. Montero I wouldn’t mind seeing in the pen and with his control he can be a real asset. Provided there’s any chance they can trade colon they should be all over it. DeGrom has been absolutely awesome and hasn’t been pitching long which makes his upside through the roof. He accomplished with his sinker in 1 year what most players can’t over a career.

  • derek murphy

    Thor ever since Backman challenged to be better than good has been much better. His new found aggressiveness has translated into results. Guys who prior to this season were considered trade chips are cementing there place on the mets. There is no way if they continue doing what they are that Niese or gee could be traded.

  • derek murphy

    That’s my feeling first chance they get they should trade colon. He gets lots of quality starts for a contending team with a good offense he’s a good option. Any point he can be moved should be capitalized on. He’s not a good bet for consistancy and is blocking our growth. Like guys his size tend to do blocking like crazy.

    Don’t need to see satin anymore either. Campbell should have replaced him way back.

  • derek murphy

    All the pitchers stats suck 2nd n 3rd time through the order cause they call the game from the bench and are so predictable. Watching the game at home you know what’s coming. That’s why I want mejia throwing cutter all day. That’s a pitch they can know is coming n still can’t hit.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Oh. Ok. They’re predictable. So to combat that, Mejia should throw the same pitch over and over again. Makes sense.

    BTW, opposing batters are hitting .327 against his cutter this season.

  • derek murphy

    Torres looks like he’s going to have a special year. They were talking about making him the closer on the radio. What would be great about that is if at deadline we are out of it and he’s pitching good in the closer role he could have shockingly high trade value.

  • derek murphy

    Mejia can’t pitch a full season as a starter that’s why they should have started with him in pen and dice k in rotation. This I’ve said since spring training. Dice k could have probably pitched decent enough to be traded and who knows mejia might have pitched great and been our closer by now.

    The front office has brought in a lot of young talent there’s no disputing that. My biggest problem with them has been asset management. They are never sure of themselves and are not pro active. They need for decissions to be made for them and turn assets into crap.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Jenrry Mejia fears that pitching in relief will endanger his arm. But the Mets may need Mejia to help their bullpen: http://goo.gl/xVoFd4

    So Jennry is afraid that changing his rest regimen will put his elbow at risk, but will do what is necessary for the team.

    So according to Adam Rubin, he’s selfish.

    lol