Featured Post: It’s Time For A Change… #FreeWally

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Sometimes, a fresh start is needed. And it´s about time this happens for the Mets in terms of managing the players on the active roster.

Zack Wheeler, Rafael Montero, Jacob deGrom, Jeurys Familia, Jenrry Mejia, Travis d’Arnaud, Juan Lagares and Wilmer Flores make up almost one third of the Mets roster by now and are looking to establish themselves as major leaguers for the long haul and maybe part of the Mets next core going forward. All eight are 25 years old or younger. And all eight remain under team control for the next 5+ years.

Hopefully the growing pains won´t be too extensive. And while Matt Harvey and Noah Syndergaard – the two highest ceiling arms that also belong into that group – remain in the pipeline poised to help either late in this season or early next, this is pretty much it in terms of potential impact young talent for the major league roster for the foreseeable future. There are no blue chip prospects other than Syndergaard left in the upper levels – with Cesar Puello and Kevin Plawecki coming closest but projecting more as solid complementary pieces. So, the time has arrived where things have to be taken seriously.

The Mets chances for the remainder of the 2014 season but even more so in 2015 largely depend on how this group of young players ends up performing and how quickly they manage to adjust to the major leagues. With veterans like Wright, Granderson, Murphy, Niese, Gee and Colon potentially also playing a vital role, of course.

terry collins

For the past 3+ years, Terry Collins and his staff have navigated the Mets through the rebuilding phase, dominated by severe financial restrictions and tried to keep spirits up in spite of having limited talent at hand. It´s tough to say whether the impact of TC and his staff on the 77, 74 and 74 win seasons from 2011 through 2013 was positive, neutral or negative. Still, at the very least, TC was a good soldier and oversaw the transition on the field. But now a new era has begun.

The wave of young talent we’ve been waiting on for a couple of years has pretty much arrived. Yet, the results on the field haven´t changed and the Mets once again seem headed towards a mid-70 win season with no “meaningful” games scheduled for August and September. TC – apparently well liked & respected by his players – deserved the chance to return in 2014 with the financial restrictions lessened and the wave of young talent finally arriving. But a good start was mandatory to receive an extended chance – and the Mets currently find themselves at 20-25 approaching the end of May and are another losing streak away from pretty much eliminating themselves from the 2014 playoff race for good.

This experiment can´t go on. While TC deserves credit and appreciation for trying his best with what he had, he symbolizes the transitional period of 2011 and 2013 – with the common denominator that his teams have constantly failed to win. It may not be his fault and it may not be fair. But he can´t remain in charge of the Mets. Offer him a job within the organization as a thank-you . But relieve him of his duties. Right NOW – and not in a month when the Mets may well be 30-40 and totally out of things.

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Wally Backman may not be the ideal longterm manager for the Mets. No other major league organization has seriously considered him for an MLB managerial job in recent history. And he sure has some personal baggage on his resumé. But he also symbolizes a very good time in Mets history and a fighting spirit that will give him the backing of the fan base.

Backman also is highly regarded by all of his players. And while Collins has continued losing with the Mets, Wally Backman has gone 113-77 with the Las Vegas 51s over the past year and a third with large chunks of the current Mets roster having played and won under his watch. Now is the time to win back the fans, create some excitement and give Wally Backman his well deserved chance. Maybe he can be the modern version of Davey Johnson who took over the 1984 Mets with success after successfully managing the Tidewater Tides in 1983. Do it now. And stop hoping things turnaround themselves. They won´t.

Will this be the cure and instantly turn the Mets into a 90-game winner ? Probably not. But it would show how serious ownership & the front office are about EXPECTING and not just hoping to win. And creating a fresh start with a fresh group of players. If that still doesn´t work, the front office will have to ask themselves whether to start making significant changes to the roster structure via trades. What´s needed in 2014 isn’t necessarily a playoff team, but obvious progress. And currently we´re not seeing that. ACT!

MMO

About André Dobiey 28 Articles
I'm a lawyer who hails from and lives in Germany, and have been an avid Mets fan since 1984. I enjoyed rooting for Doc Gooden & David Cone back then. Spent a long time in German Baseball as a board member for the Bonn Capitals (German 1st League team) from 1994 through 2006 and can claim that I've watched former Mets farm hand C Kai Gronauer and pretty much every other German born prospect (like Max Kepler or Donald Lutz) in live action far before they became prospects. I follow and watch the Mets and other MLB games via internet TV. Also a big soccer fan (like most Germans).
  • QueensRussell

    Relieve General Terry of command and appoint General Wally!

  • Wolfmicky21

    Good points – particularly with TC as a symbol of the “transition years” while Wally (or some else) brings in a new feel, new hope, new expectations. Query: how much money is TC owed? I’d imagine that will play a huge factor.

  • Met lifer

    I am not sure Wally is a special manager material. However, he knows the players here and the ones coming. He also has shown he can win with the mentioned group and they know him. Having won with them, they will know what he expects and he knows what to expect from them. That should create comfort on both sides. It certainly can work. It worked for Davey and he had similar experience. Wally was also a winning player in this town and was a hard nose player. A refreshing change from TC. The big question is can he get along with Sandy at the bigs. This is probably the biggest hurdle. I am ready for a change as a big fan and the team is for sure. They should make this move. It would excite the team and the fan base.

  • TheMetsMachine

    I agree, and to add further, I don’t think Terry would be a good fit for the younger players coming up in the next few years, so why not let Wally have a chance for half a year if he doesn’t bring any of the past baggage with him, give him a fair shot.

    Just look at some of the young Talent in the minors 2-3 years away (Just the hitting) – Wally would be a better manager for them.

    A Ball (Savannah)

    Gavin Cecchini SS 20 years
    Dominic Smithh 1B 19 years old

    A+ (St. Lucie)

    Dilson Herrera 2B 20 years old
    Brandon Nimmo OF 21 years old
    Philip Evans SS 21 years old

    AA (Bing)

    Kevin Plawecki C 23 years old
    Matt Reynolds UT 23 years old
    Wilfredo Tovar SS 22 years old

    I don’t think Terry can handle these young guys.

  • SCarton12

    I wish they would fire TC, just so I don’t have to read about firing TC anymore.

  • IndianaMet

    I believe the front office doesn’t want to be subjected to the “passion” that Wally sometimes brings to the diamond. If you’ve seen the many Wally YouTube videos, you know what I mean. However the opportunities to lose one’s mind has been largely reduced because of instant replay.

    I think Wally brings so much to the club. Keith mentions something weekly that Wally did as a player to give his team an edge, whether placement of fielders based upon the next particular pitch or running the bases with aggressiveness, not recklessness. He also brings a sense of “Us vs them” mentality to the players and this team has lacked that for as long as I can remember. Motivating players to play hard isn’t the same as inspiring them to play with a chip on their shoulder. The will to win goes a long way.

    And he HAS to be a better in game manager than Collins. He’s kept his nose clean for years working for his ultimate goal. Reward him. Of he fails, it’s on him. It’s a win win for the front office. FreeWally

    LGM

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    “Will this turn the Mets into a 90 win team. Probably not.”

    I’d say “of course not” seeing as how Wally will have the same players. He’ll have CY struggling but supposed to get playing time. He’ll have Valverde. He’ll have EY. He’ll havr Tejada and Duda. And I see no reason to think Sandy is going to sit back and let him do whatever he wants.

    And what “new era”? They’re five games under .500. Looks like the same era to me.

    People like Wally because he was on thr 86 team. That’s pretty much it. Yeah, he’s won in the minor leagues, but he’s had the top talent in the organization the entire time and doesn’t have to deal with much of what Collins does. No idea how he’d handle it.

  • Met lifer

    This teams needs a little”balls”. I can see that coming from Wally. He played that way. Terry does not portray that at all and has these infatuations with guys like EY and Tejada. I don’t see wWally doing that. He is going to want to run his best team out there regardless of how players like that feel. He has to be better than Terry at decision making. Nobody can be worse.

  • Mark Griffith

    Great post, Andre. This is probably one of the fairer reviews of the Terry Collins era that I have read on here. Unless Terry spins gold from straw with this roster, and the Mets earn a playoff berth, I think TC is gone at the end of the year. While he may not be the right guy for a post-rebuilding phase, I do worry about exactly when that period begins. To that end, if we don’t find new financial flexibility or change the organizational approach at the top, just changing the Manager will have very little impact.

    I saw a great post from Joe D (When Does All This Sucking End) a couple of days ago with three option to help right the ship. Everything from not going to happen (Wilpons sell), to not likely to happen (Wilpons fire Alderson), to likely to happen at some point (Alderson fires Collins). I’ll submit a 4th option, and one that may be our best shot at near term success: Alderson resigns. Maybe this is due to being tapped MLB Commissioner. Maybe this is due to not getting that job, and not being in a position to succeed in NY. But maybe a change in FO philosophy will bring about a new way to compete. And with this option, it could well be paired with the replacement of Collins as a new GM would likely want their own manager.

  • Met lifer

    All Wally would have to do is get this team to .500 and with Harvey and Thor coming next year, that will create some buzz and excitement.

  • BronxMets

    this is all just a change for the sake of a change. I see ballplayers coming up that are not prepared to play up here and who is in charge to see that that happens Wally. It also has the tone of written by Cerrone. Make a statement back off make a statement back off.

  • BronxMets

    we know Terry cant handle young talent.

  • Met lifer

    You have to admit Tery needs to go. I will take another option than Wally. Wally just has some appeal over Terry. Then again anyone would.

  • MyasDaddy

    No idea how we would handle it? The guy has played here, he won championships here. He’s made the playoffs with the Cyclones, with the 51’s. What more does he have to prove? Collins has proven since the first day how horrible of a manager he is. Time for a change.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    How will he handle demoting players? Struggling veterans? Guys making $20 million? The media? Fans on his case non-stop? More pressure than he’s managed in?

    It’s not just having been a player.

  • Nymetfan86

    Not to fully discredit Davey Johnson..but didn’t he take over “at the right time”? He inherited a Mets team much like the talent thats on the way in 2015 and beyond. I know TC and SA have taken a lot of heat but I agree both did the best what was given to them. I would rather give TC the talented club and If he fails then dismiss him

  • MyasDaddy

    He’s a manager. He’s handled it, been through it as a player and a manager. Look, maybe Wally isn’t the answer. Although he would be #1 choice, but its time for TC to go. The amount of times he has butchered games for us this year is incredible. I have counted 7 games. We need a new philosophy all around.

  • SRT

    Wally? No.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    It starts at the top. Wally would manage how Sandy tells him to manage or he won’t get the job.

    Its an organizational philosophy, not Terry’s.

  • SCarton12

    Davey= one of the most over-rated managers in history.

  • MyasDaddy

    How many different teams did he take to the playoffs?

  • BronxMets

    why does Terry need to go give me a specific. I have one he doesn’t hold people accountable unless their name is Tejada. We still don’t know whose fault it was in the dodgers series with the play at second base.  Otherwise there is no talent on this ball club and that is not Terry’s fault.

  • Nymetfan86

    He was good on handling veteran teams that were built to win now

  • SCarton12

    How much talent did he have on those teams?

  • SCarton12

    Last year, he couldn’t even do that.

  • Nymetfan86

    if he so good why did the Mets fire him?

  • mr1313

    We Want Wally!!!… Chant it if you’re crazy enough to go to Citi!

  • mr1313

    Wally! YES!

  • MyasDaddy

    My favorite argument in all of sports. How much talent did he have? Of course you need to talent to win, but he has a pretty good record as manager. You cant deny that.

  • MyasDaddy

    The Nats fall into that category? He could have probably won a chip if they didn’t shut Strasburg down.

  • Nymetfan86

    Are you saying its TC’s fault he doesn’t have the talent the 84-86 Mets had?

  • Lotus1209

    He’d be a better manager than TC for sure.. But I’m not so sure how much. He’s doing the same thing TC was doing to Lagares to Puello. Puello was 2-5 one night and sits him in favor of Brown or Kirk. A youngster first manager does not do that and for Puellos sake I really hope Wally starts to play him consistently because if he continues this trend he won’t be much different than TC (favoring the veterans)

  • MyasDaddy

    Absolutely not. TC has mismanaged the younger talent since he got here. Do you want me recite how many times he has?

  • igotyourbackman

    Davey Johnson was a great manager at the right time for the Mets, a team that consisted of many players that came up through his tenure at Tidewater. He was responsible for bringing many of them up from AAA – He knew their capabilities and put them to the best use. Davey also was one of the first managers to start paying attention to the “numbers” and using them to his advantage. He took The Mets, Reds, Orioles and Nationals to the post season. He has a career .562 win %. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davey_Johnson

  • Nymetfan86

    and how did the Nats do the following year? And didn’t take over right when they were in position to win?

  • Andrew Herbst

    I want Wally because he’s more fiery than TC. And he won’t favor the veterans over the young guys.

  • Met lifer

    His decision making stinks. How he handles young players. How he banks on veterans who are washed up. His in game decisions are terrible. Is that enough?

  • MyasDaddy

    Are you saying that TC could have taken that Nats roster and made them champions?

  • Met lifer

    How about his explanations on why he does certain moves or why he handles things a certain way. He comes off sounding like a idiot.

  • Nymetfan86

    That we will NEVER know. I am not a big TC supporter, all I am saying give him a chance with better talent

  • B-Met Fan

    I don’t anticipate a change of manager anytime soon. Sandy Alderson values loyalty and it would be against his better nature to let Terry Collins go towards the beginning of a new season. If he did, it’s doubtful he would bring in Wally in an interim capacity. Sandy would include Wally in a list of baseball people who might become the new Met manager after TC, but I doubt he would place Wally there as a placeholder to finish out a year.
    When the Mets do make a change, whenever that should be, I hope they consider Pedro Lopez, the manager of the Binghamton Mets. Lopez is the 4th B-Met manager I’ve watched skipper the B-Mets, a group that includes Wally Backman, and I’m very impressed. Lopez’s players are prepared to play the game of baseball. He carves out roles extremely well. One strength is his ability to manage a bullpen, something that I believe is tricky at the minor league level. Maybe its his former days as a catcher, but Lopez seems to get the most out of his relievers. That would surely be a pleasant change in Flushing.

  • Nymetfan86

    I would agree he WORSE managing the press. But I do agree the NY press is obsessed in creating “drama” when there should not be

  • Lotus1209

    He does. He plays Brown over Puello all the time.

  • EzRider

    Amen.

  • igotyourbackman

    I got your Backman!

  • Met lifer

    Of course the press feeds on that. He certainly gives them plenty of things to write about with what he says and does.

  • Tango01

    Good stuff Mark!

  • SCarton12

    He does well when he has top veteran talent that run the team for him.

  • coyote521

    Frank cashen was never very fond of davey, even though he hired him. They frequently clashed, as when cashen traded dykstra and mcdowell for juan samuel.

    All managers, and especially high intensity ones like johnson, have a shelf life. When davey seemed in danger of losing the team, cashen took the opportunity to dump him.
    It was a huge mistake. Buddy harrelson was a disaster, and his players disrespected him.
    Davey went on to great success every place he managed.
    Anybody who insists that managers dont make much of a difference need only look as far as johnsons career, and how teams did before and after he managed them.

  • Nymetfan86

    One could argue TC’s “misgivings” would not be such a huge deal if it was not NY’ fishbowl where everything gets blown up and the Mets were winning. Losing and frustration magnifies everything

  • Destry

    Unbelievable. This is a much better roster than last year’s with the same results

  • coyote521

    This is just plain wrong.

  • Nymetfan86

    Again, you proved my point. All those teams were close to the finish line and needed the vet leadership. The true test would be how would he would have done for the 2011=14 Mets?

  • Destry

    All teams h have talent. It’s up to the manager to exploit the strengths of his players

  • Destry

    TC is awful Michael. Don’t know how you don’t see that. It’s the same results no matter what players he coaches

  • coyote521

    Sadly, that is true.
    The lack of balls, as it were, is at the top, its organizational, and terry’s replacement will be a company man, somebody like geren or teuffel, willing to take orders and stay with the “program”
    We’re screwed.

  • Destry

    No he wasn’t. He made all of those teams worse. They were all much better after he was fired

  • Nymetfan86

    He failed with the Dodgers despite them having the highest payroll at that time….

  • Dave Rosenbluth

    Davey also managed some of the guys in the minors who ended up on his big league roster I believe

  • Dave Rosenbluth

    Every manager gets fired or leaves. Torre in NY among others. NOBODY stays forever for a wide variety of reasons

  • Nymetfan86

    Record wise after 46 games in 2013, the Mets were 17-27-1. This year 21-25 and without Harvey….much closer to the .500 mark

  • keith

    If Collins is owed mote than 5 bucks, hes not going snywhere

  • Nolrog

    That’s wrong. Players that come up that are not prepared to play here are the fault of Alderson, bringing them up too soon. It’s not Wally’s fault that the organization is promoting players not ready.

  • mr1313

    Best thing to do with a poster like this is ignore him. He’s seeking attention.

  • Nymetfan86

    Its only the fans on this site and others that hate Terry. From what I heard the Mets like playing for him.

  • Nolrog

    Terry’s in-game strategy is terrible.

    Terry doesn’t know how to manage a bull pen.

    Terry continually lets his starters throw too many pitches.

    Terry routinely says stupid things (I give Lagares a day off and people start screaming that he’s benched, when Lagares sat 4 out of 5 games. I don’t hit and run, because we don’t like to play station-to-station ball.)

    Terry’s teams are very poor fundamentally. Stupid on the base paths.

    Terry does not put his players into positions where they can succeed.

    Terry’s word cannot be trusted. He will do exactly the opposite of what he says he will do within a day of saying it.

    Lack of talent is true, there’s no question. But Collins does not make the most of what little talent he has.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Not defending TC, but the issues are systemic. Terry is just one symptom, albeit a highly impactful and visible one. As detailed on this site on a regular basis, there’s dysfunction at all levels of this organization, and it starts at the top…

  • Flushing Phenoms

    Thank you! Why Cesar Puello is not playing everyday is just baffling and my guess is that the lack of managerial strategy comes down from the front office. New owners, new front office, new manager and let the kids play. As much as I like Wally his handling of Puello has turned me off. My vote for manager would be Tim Bogar.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I don’t think we’re screwed. Want Backman? Fine. But I don’t believe for a second they’d play better under him.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    No reason to think either of those things are true.

  • Gland1

    What do you mean by “fiery”? I know that’s a cliche people like to throw around. What does that mean to you? A lot of yelling at umpires?

  • Nymetfan86

    passionate? yelling at umpires…kinda sounds like Terry in his earlier years managing the Angels and Astros…hmmmm

  • Andrew Herbst

    That and just some anger when we aren’t playing well.

  • Nolrog

    I agree that there is dysfunction at every level of this organization, but the in game stuff, is all Collins.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Interesting. I didn’t know that.

  • Andrew Herbst

    True.

  • Nymetfan86

    one never knows….if he wants to win he just might

  • T Boogy

    I never liked the idea of a mid-season managerial change unless either the manager had lost all respect from his players or if the FO strongly feels that their playoff capable team is losing their way. I know SA said the goal is 90 wins but I don’t think they seriously believe that will happen. So, I don’t think there’s a strong reason to fire TC right now. Let him play out the season.

  • Nolrog

    Terry is a terrible manager no matter where he is.

  • Nolrog

    You mean the veteran teams that teamed up and went to management demanding he be fired? That happened twice, if I remember correctly. Those veteran teams??

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Interesting. Do you feel that a mid-season change on a team like ours would have a negative impact? Just curious why you’d be averse to such a move.

  • Nymetfan86

    I always believed the 90 win goal was just that, Make the players push hard to get there as “carrot approach” when SA really believes this team would be 81-85 win team

  • Andrew Herbst

    You’re right.

  • Nymetfan86

    It is your opinion. I am not committal on him because of the lack of talent he has had to work with. I believe he has done as well as anyone could considering the circumstances

  • muskytoes

    Brown’s like the Babe Ruth of the PCL. Of course he’s going to play, and I’m sure the FO dictates that and would have a huge beef with Backman if he didn’t play. The FO is living off the minor league winning percentage.

  • Bobby O

    I concur. It’s better to pay Collins NOT to manage the Mets than it is to pay him to manage the Mets. Backman is a WINNER that has won with all kinds of different teams and players in the minors while Collins is a LOSER and just plain bad karma and very old. Obviously, Backman knows these young guys coming from AAA better than Collins.It really isn’t going to cost the Wilpons that much more bringing in Wally say on a half year interim basis. Heck, Wally would probably take the job virtually for free as long as Sandy didn’t interfere too much with him. What are you really losing by moving past Collins?

  • T Boogy

    Well, the main negative, at least from the ownerships perspective, is that those cheap bastards would have to eat the rest of TC’s contact. So we know right there that TC won’t be fired. But for the team, there could be potential for a negative impact. I think there’s a reason that Wally has not and likely will not be a major league manager. And I think there’s a reason that the players supported TC coming back.

  • Nimmofan25

    Your right change does need to be made but not Wally. Fans here were irate when Juan and Flores were benched am I correct. Wally is doing the same to Puello so where’s the difference. The change has to come from outside the organization.

  • Hotstreak

    There is mutny storming up at MMO and elswhere against the owners and management of the Mets. Will it take a blood sucking battle and disenfranchise
    whatever fan base they have or will the Wilpons sell.

    I love Wally and want him more than anybody but the Wilpons will also enervate him to be a middle manager of SA: #FreeThe MetFans; #WilponsMust Go

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Thank you. It would be interesting to know who the younger players (those who’ve played for both Wally and TC) would prefer as manager.

    We’ll obviously never know. But I wonder if going from playing for Wally to playing for Terry creates an intensity gap of sorts.

  • Nimmofan25

    And yet no other team has seen it fit to give him a job hmmm makes you wonder.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I dont even think there is a question who the young players would choose[Wally Hands down].

    We do know the scrub vets like EYjr,Abreu & Valverde will want TC because he plays them when they have no business in the lineup

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    IDK if it was purposely done or by mistake since on a QWERTY keyboard the letter ‘s’ and ‘a’ are side by side but did you mean to say

    ANYwhere

    or

    SNYwhere
    (As in SNY network)

    If its the latter–well played sir, well played lollol
    I assume it was by mistake since your finger seemed to slip on the word ‘more ‘ too but that has to be a sign. lol

  • Piazza Delivery

    Didn’t stop them from firing Willie

  • ill_egl

    Backman couldnt take over soon enough as far as Im concerned, and Ive felt thay way for a long time now.

  • T Boogy

    They actually had both money and playoff aspirations then. A little different situation.

  • Piazza Delivery

    No way. In 1999, he had the shot to bring the Angels to prominence nd failed miserably.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown
  • Piazza Delivery

    They should ALWAYS hav playoff aspirations. If the team can’t win, cut the manager. If that doesn’t work, cut the GM

  • Nymetfan86

    as did Davey Johnson with the Dodgers….lost 99 ganes

  • T Boogy

    I think part of every Met fan has this myth about Wally, like he is destined to be a HOF manager. How can you so confidently assume who they would choose? Do you have intimate knowledge of the players feelings that everyone else does not? Or are you just basing it off your own dislike of TC and/or love of Wally?

  • billpulsipher

    BOYCOTT.

  • T Boogy

    I hear ya. I tend to think the same way. Except they have explicitly stated they are rebuilding. So it would quite unfair to fire people for not winning while rebuilding.

  • Bobby O

    BTW, I don’t think you can blame just Wally for sitting Cesar. I think some of that is coming from on top from either Paul Depo or Dick Scott. I think Paul or JPR said this past offseason that they were going to pay close attention to Cesar’s approach this season with respect to plate discipline, O-Swing % and probably how he’s handling secondary pitches. And maybe if 1 of those guys don’t like what they see with respect to such after a particular game and 1 of them telling Wally to set aside Cesar for a game or 2 to have him work with Greer on such before things snowball on him like the Mets cast Juan aside for awhile to work with Natera.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    We dont know what is going on with the Puello situation so you cant just jump to conclusions and think Wally is benching him for some old scrub.

    The minors is not typically about winning games its about DEVELOPMENT 1st and foremost.

    Puello could be misssing games due to:
    – Him having a nagging injury
    – Him working on correcting flaws in his swing(bad habit he picked up). Remember he missed a lot of time at the end of last year and wasnt himself in the winter league where he struggled mightily. As a matter of fact he struggled to begin the minor league season.

    There are things we arent privy to regarding minor league players. Its not like the majors where we eventually get all the reports and why so and so istnt playing.

    Reserve judgement on thesee things until you have the facts.

    PS How long did it take us to find out about Nimmos injury last year???Or Cecchinis this year?

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    TC is the one making the moves, yes, but I suspect he answers to multiple bosses, none of whom is actually expert in on-field baseball. When you try to please everyone, ultimately you end up pleasing no one…

  • mr. belvedere

    I’d love for Wally to take over in September this season…TC has been a good soldier for the FO and I was never huge critic of TC until this year because I knew all along that we were gonna suck in 11, 12, 13 but it’s time to shake it up and TC and Hudgens need to go…Hudgens should be gone yesterday

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Maybe if you read what I wrote youd know the reason for my answer.

    TC doesnt like playing young players(See:Lagares, Flores and players like Valdespin before them etc)
    TC loves starting old vet scrubs when they shouldnt be playing
    (See:Baxter,Abreu,EY,Willie Harris,Pridie,Quintanilla, Ankiel etc etc etc etc.)

    Also, I nor anyone else I speak to have any myths about Wally being a HOF Manager. We think he’d be a GOOD MANAGER based on what he has done in NUMEROUS managerial jobs throughout his career.

    And we recognize that the reason he hasnt received another shot to manage in the majors is/was due to his off the field troubles(somethings we all have).Mets gave Collins a 2nd chance.

    Why cant Wally receive a 2nd chance??? From what we know He has since been a model citizen and has went back to the bottom and rebuilt his career. It has little to nothing to do with him being an ex-86 met(Teufel was as well and we dont want him)

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    That makes Wally the perfect Moneyball manager…:)

  • muskytoes

    What year was that?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    If you want the dog Hudgens gone you gotta Fire his master Sandy Alderson.

    Hudgens is Sandys

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    My sense is the players like TC because he’s a befuddled, avuncular presence. My fear is that his confusion permeates the roster and the clubhouse, contributing to the inconsistent play. It’s not a tight ship, that’s for sure…

  • EzRider

    Plus he hasn’t really been “benched”. Based on the Vegas site he seems to have played in 6 of the last 10 games and 2 pinch hit appearances. Looks to me like he has most certainly not been benched and just getting a rest here and there.

  • mr1313

    The funny part about saying Wally has baggage is that TC had his own baggage he brought with him. He has his own problems with drinking (DUI), had problems with the clubhouse in Anaheim to a point there was a mutiny, was known as a hot tempered hot head, certainly had the talent with both Anaheim and the Astros and did nothing with it so to say Wally has baggage and doesn’t deserve a chance is just bs. Collins has been giving too many chances and has proven he’s not an MLB caliber manager why doesn’t Wally get the same chance. He too has been a loyal soldier for this organization it’s time the Mets reward his loyalty.

  • EzRider

    Folks keep saying Puello is being benched. Don’t look that way to me.
    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=t400&t=p_pbp&pid=527049
    Played quite a bit in the last 10 games.

  • T Boogy

    I did read what you wrote, and again you haven’t provided any proof for your opinions, just hyperbole. TC does, in fact, play young players. He gives them chances and rides them as long as he can. However, when the league adjusts to them, which always seems to happen, he protects them and the team from embarrassment and puts the known quantity into the lineup.

    You can disagree with me if you want but we are just fans. TC is the manager for a reason, and he’s not doing much different from most other managers by playing veterans. There’s a reason we’re on our couches and he is a ML manager.

    I agree that everyone deserves a second chance, and I hope Wally gets it. However, I doubt that a solid win-loss record in the minors should be the a major credential. He would probably need to be a ML bench coach before getting a managerial chance.

  • mr1313

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlsVr1ykBqQ

    I love this speech from Wally with the Independent league Peanuts and what his players had to say about the speech after. That’s what passion for the game is all about.

  • Fast Eddie

    What’s really hard to understand is, If the Mets trust Wally enough to manage, teach and mold their best minor league players at the Triple A level, why would they not trust him to manage their team at the major league level? It makes no sense. If Wally were hired, he would already have familiarity with at least one third of the roster which is important because he would know their strengths, weaknesses and tendencies as ballplayers. I think that could be very important moving forward when we finally say goodbye to old man Collins. I’m not someone stuck on Wally just because he’s a former Mets player who was on our last World Series winning team. I legitimately feel he’d be a very good major league manager. He’s gritty, he’s passionate, he’s got balls and he knows the game. He could be the next great manager in baseball. He would give the Mets an identity that we have not had for many years. An identity of a team that isn’t afraid of the big moment or afraid to get their uniforms dirty. If people think this team plays hard for wacky and incompetent Terry Collins, they would run through a wall for Wally Backman. Why else does Wally make sense for the Mets? Money. When it is finally time to make a change, there is no way the Mets would give a big money contract to a an established manager so they would definitely able to afford Wally…and in turn he would be grateful to be given the opportunity. It’s really a no brainer. Collins – Out! Wally – In! And the fans would love it of course. It would give the team and the fan base a much needed spark and provide some semblance of hope that we are ready to turn this mess around. In Wally we trust…

  • Duffystaub

    The Beaver! YES!

  • Mikey

    Dooby I’m going to give you the courtesy of saying that I don’t believe you are like the other Sandy Flag Wavers around here…..

    But I AM so SICK AND TIRED of hearing over and over about how Terry needs to go and then have it said as an aside to that “While he did the best with the crap he had to work with” excuse.

    Is Terry a good manager? NO! He’s a developmental guy at best…
    But if you really feel that it should be pointed out that he had NO TALENT to work with then we should be talking about getting rid of the guy who GAVE HIM and ACQUIRED that NO TALENT!

    You Mention 12 Kids in your Post….Only 4 are actually guys Sandy found..All of Whom required trading away TWO Annual Allstars (Wheeler, Plawecki for Beltran and Reyes) and an Al Star Cy Young Winner (Syndergaard and d’Arnaud he of the .200 BA for Dickey).

    Look at the guys currently underperforming and you see that his FA performance is not all that much better….
    C Young has been a total bust so far, Colon has been up and down, Grandy is the only one currently showing signs of life. Quintanilla is already gone. And Valverde almost has to buy a ticket to get into the game at this point. When Dice K is your singular bright spot it’s time to look at who is making those decisions.

    People mention Byrd and Hairston as FA success yet neither was good enough to keep were they?

    Will changing the Manager make CYoung Hit?
    Will changing the Manager put David Wright back on track?
    Will changing the Manager remind Flores that when the sign says Murphy Covers it means Murphy covers?
    Will changing the Manager AND Hitting coach change the hitting Philosophy that has come down on (get)High from the Front office that has compiled this pile of crap Terry is forced to work with?

    NO!

    I’m all for giving Backman the team!
    I even predicted that Terry was never going to be anything more than a scapegoat for Sandy’s rebuild and that Backman would likely take over because I KNEW that the Fans would never sit through what it takes to rebuild a franchise.

    But it won’t change a damn thing until they get rid of the Front Office that dictates philosophy and compiles the crap people seem to use as an excuse for the Manager not doing well!

    Selig is looking for his MLB Heir!
    Sandy can save face by taking that job so it doesn’t look like he got fired…

    Lets hire a new FO and SOON so he can hit the ground running in the offseason and let him pick the manager he wants to manage the team he intends to build!
    And lets hope this time whoever gets the job sticks to acquiring talent and leaves the philosophy to the coaches!

  • Gland1

    Is that for your entertainment or do you think it will actually do some good?

    I’m all for getting rid of Terry and giving Wallet a shot. But the “fiery” stuff seem silly to me. I don’t need a show with the umpires; I want a manager who makes smart decisions and puts players in the best spots for success.

  • Flatbush0460

    Check out the one where he hides a snake in coaches pair of new Nike spikes. A classic. He knows how to keep guys loose, and that will prove to be huge in New York. Wally is the right choice, I’ve been screaming this for three years now. Thanks for focusing the light on it.

  • Flatbush0460

    Wally is the right choice for the Mets, today, with this young squad he’s already coached on two levels, or the kids anyway. All he needs is a chance to prove himself. He wins. That’s enough for me. Who amongst us hasn’t done something we’re ashamed of at one point in our lives. It’s called being human, Wally is no exception, except he knows how to win baseball games. He’s paid his dues, he’s behaved himself, and in Vegas of all places as well. Can TC already, promote Wally, and make Frankie Sweet Music our pitching coach. Then just watch us win. The question is does Sandy have the balls for it?

  • Andrew Herbst

    It might do some good. Fire up players. I thought TC would be fiery, but it’s not the case.

  • Keith’s stache

    Holy crap….Thats Desi. I went to school with Desi Wilson. Real nice guy, he played basketball back then too and then did a little tour of Japanese baseball leagues playing for the Hanshin Tigers. Thanx for the clip dude.

  • Keith’s stache

    lol, always enjoy your take on things sir.

  • Mets Magic

    Too many Wally haters….if it’s not apparent by now, Sandy Alderson prefers individuals with docile personalities….see Ike vs. Duda….who has the more assertive personality…see cutting Justin Turner who while not that great was better than the Met’s had and is good enough to be the sixth man of a much better team…see RA Dickey and Beltran…yes age for youth but big personalities…see shoving Harvey in the back room next to the smelly jocks in spring training and declaring this season is not about Matt Harvey (watching how that one develops)…I’ve read more and more about Sandy’s arrogance and condescension…Good…people are recognizing it more and more…Backman does appear to be the rare kind of difference maker as a manager a la Showalter…but these cork up their butts of a management team will never give him a shot…& that’s without DePodesta’s resentment & jealousy of the ’86 Mets

  • ed charles

    WB is the PERFECT manager for this team, for right now, and would be a BOLD move that really has no downside. If he fails to rally the team in the second half of the season, you move forward with a manager that the FO is more “comfortable” with… But that’s not SA’s m.o.. SA has job security and could give a rat’s ass about the fan base, about Mets history or about doing anything other than the way he’s always done it. But Mets’ history, a link to its winning history (YES SANDY THERE IS A WINNING HISTORY), is vital now. This team has ZERO personality or leadership. TC has and always will be a caretaker — at best. Alderson is a bland, technocrat, who was hired to shut down the perception of Wilpon as a thief. And our owners, the Wilpons, are incompetent sleaze. WB would be the one person the team could rally around. But perhaps that’s why Alderson’s so afraid of him.

  • Fast Eddie

    >>>The question is does Sandy have the balls for it?<<<

    I really don't think we're sure that between Sandy, Fred and Jeff that they even have one full set of balls between them…sorry to say.

  • Fast Eddie

    Why? Every manager is going to bench a player from time to time. We just don’t want want TC to do the benching because he really doesn’t have a clue to whats going on with this team…ever. Wally is our guy, he will set us straight…

  • coyote521

    That’s right.

    People claim Wally is a loose cannon, hot head, whatever, but he never had players mutiny. In fact, his players love him.

    Funny that the Front Office didn’t seem to mind that Collins was such a disaster that the players circulated a petition to get him fired.
    Wouldn’t that be something to consider?

    It’s yet another example of how little regard Alderson And Depo have for the players (not to mention the fans).

  • Bail4Nails
  • There are no blue chip prospects other than Syndergaard left in the upper levels – with Cesar Puello andKevin Plawecki coming closest but projecting more as solid complementary pieces.

    Good. Right now, a few more complementary players would be huge improvements.

  • Bail4Nails

    See video above. I suspect other teams didn’t hire Wally because he is old-school, and they don’t want to hurt the feelings of their Fragile Players. This is, after all, Generation Y (Y bother?, Y me?, Y worry?, Y work hard?)
    Wally could give this team the swift kick in the A** it needs. Terry has pampered them long enough.

  • Destry

    I guess they like losing

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    “Right now, a few more complementary players would be huge improvements.”

    Cuddyer & Alexei would be a start….maybe Suzuki too for a true veteran presence behind the dish.

  • Bail4Nails

    “TC does, in fact, play young players. He gives them chances and rides them as long as he can. However, when the league adjusts to them, which always seems to happen, he protects them and the team from embarrassment and puts the known quantity into the lineup.”

    1. Flores has a couple good games, gets sick, Terry benches him for Tejada. Only after uproar does Flores rejoin the Lineup.

    2. Lagares has a great April, almost single-handedly carries the team a couple weeks. Terry benches him 4 days straight, public uproar, Lagares back in the Lineup.

    3. Eric Campbell plays Left Field, continues to Hit like he did while playing 1B, drives in Runs, and makes a great catch in the Outfield. Terry benches him for CY.

    “[doesn’t] protect the team from embarrassment, and puts the known quantity [of Crap] into the Lineup.”

  • Captain America

    Good article. How many of these young guys on the roster played for Wally – shouldn’t that be a focal point of the story?

  • Mikey

    It’s not about trust….
    It’s all about CONTROL!

    The FO knows they can control Collins…
    They also know there is no way in hell they can control Backman and if they try to he will have no issue going to the nearest reporter and make a public spectacle out of the attempt!

    A battle Backman will surely win in the public forum.

    That is the ONLY reason Collins gt extended at all!
    If Sandy had changed managers last year then no one would be complaining about the manager now he would still be in his public GRACE PERIOD.
    All the complaints and focus would be on the failures of the FO to bring in any talent to go with all that talent we now see he inherited.
    And thats the last thing Sandy wanted going into a year he will be looking for an extension.

  • BronxMets

    in game strategy overblown not an issue
    bullpen what bullpen?
    makes starts throw too many pitches???????????

  • BronxMets

    who did they promote to early?

  • BronxMets

    the veterans are given to him what do you want him to do not play half his roster….what young good players has he had the past 3 seasons Captian Kirk? Duda Davis? Come on gimme a break .

  • T Boogy

    Yeah it’s fun to cherry pick points to make your case. But do these points sound just as logical? I think so.

    1. Tejada had a couple of good games and Terry tried to ride him. Tejada cooled off and TC put Flores in. I can understand wanting Flores in as soon as he was healthy but gotta admit Tejada is the superior defender.
    2. Lagares hit a slump and TC gives him a few days to work on his approach. Seems to have worked. But of course we can’t give TC credit for that.

    3. I’ve been asking for more Soup since spring training. But the team and manager made commitments to CY and Duda so Soup will just have to keep filling in here and there for the time being.

    It’s a long season. I’m not trying to defend TC as much as I’m just trying to be fair and rational.

  • Fast Eddie

    It should be obvious to the entire FO that this team is going nowhere under Terry Collins. Wally Bachman has been a successful manager in Las Vegas or the past few years and deserves a shot at the ML level. This is the perfect time to hand Terry his walking papers and bring Wally up to see what he can do for the remainder of the season. If he fails to impress, they should send him on his way in October. But at least give him an opportunity to win the job for 2015. As I see it, there is nothing to lose . . . except what’s left of the fan base.

    Come on Sandy, bite the bullet and acknowledge the failure of your man Terry. Take a chance on the fans’ favorite; you may wind up being pleasantly surprised.

    Veloz

  • Nimmofan25

    Cap isn’t Wally sitting Puello in the minors?

  • Nimmofan25

    Here goes the same conspiracy give it a break ok. FO wanted Juan and Flores on the bench, now they want Puello on the bench give it a break already. Coach’s fill out the lineup card!

  • Nimmofan25

    Wally isn’t anyone’s guy, more Coach’s have been hired over the last 10 years then in any 10 year period and this guy has not received any interest. Bringing Wally up will only lead to more of the same problems watch a 51’s game he’s no better.
    Sorry Arizona hired him and fired him in what 2 days. He will be teaching the same strategy TC is because it’s an organizational strategy not a coaching strategy.

  • Nimmofan25

    The Coach’s comment, go read what Wally had to say about it.

  • Nimmofan25

    Oh c’mon with that bull s**t analogy. As was stated by another poster none of his players ever had a problem with him. You can’t force a team that can’t hit to hit, you can’t make slow fast. You can not make AAAA players into a winning major league ball club. It doesn’t matter who you bring in the talent just isn’t there.
    There’s maybe 4 players that would start on other teams otherwise the rest are bench players to minor leaguers.

  • Nimmofan25

    All three would be nice just not happening the money won’t be spent to make it possible.

  • Captain America

    The “prospect” whose power and speed eroded after his ped suspension

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Alexei has 2 years left on his current deal, Cuddyer won’t cost much in the winter to extend as he’s in his age 35 season & serves as a bridge to Smith, and Suzuki will stay on a 2 year, $6 million extension once CY’s contract is off the books.

  • Nimmofan25

    Actually please go back and check the last 10 games. Nothings eroded he is a notorious slow starter. When did players lose their right to play out their slumps.
    I love Alderson’s picks, but Alderson needs to go he needs to take TC, Dipoto and everyone one the bench with him. It’s time to bring in a new set of eyes both in the FO and on the bench.
    Not guys who have been in this system over the last four years. You can’t start completely new with the players so you have to move on in a different way.

  • Nimmofan25

    Your talking about the Wilpons 4 mil is to much. I’d love all three but I don’t think they will bring in the catcher not with d’arnaud and Plawecki. Would love to see the other two in Mets uniforms though.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Plawecki is still a few years away and they need a true veteran presence behind the plate now. Recker is okay, but he should be catching for our pitching prospects in Vegas.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Post the link and I will gladly read it.

    Thanks.

  • Captain America

    What had he done the past 10 games?

  • Bail4Nails

    Not cherry-picking points, just showing you how I (and many, many other Fans) see things a little differently. Like your points above:
    1) Tejada is NOT a superior Defender to Flores. Neither one has good range, but Flores has a Stronger Arm and Turns the DP faster than Tejada. Yes, Flores made a mistake on the DP the other night, but he still has messed up FAR LESS DP’s than Tejada has this year.
    As for Tejada being hot, he was 4 for 21- that’s called Not Sucking for a brief period.
    2) Lagares didn’t hit a Slump, he had a couple of 0-fers mixed in with 2 Games in which he went 1 for 4 and 1 for 5. Both of those Hits during his “slump” were Huge RBIs. Also, take into account the sloppy play in the Outfield while Lagares was Benched, and it’s Clear that Terry cost us some Wins. Yes, most of us blame Terry for that MISTAKE.
    3) “Soup will just have to keep filling in here and there for [crappy players CY and Duda].”
    You just said Terry was right for playing Tejada while he was “hot”. Why doesn’t Campbell get the same treatment? Also, we all say Terry is bad at developing young players for this exact reason. Campbell just played a stretch of games where he had Huge RBIs to help the Mets Win, while playing good Defense in the Field. You’re okay with Terry rewarding Campbell with a spot on the Bench, to watch CY and Duda leave tons of Runners on Base today? Oh no, wait, you think Terry was a Genius for finally giving Campbell a “shot” against the Closer in the 9th Inning, long after your Starters CY and Duda spoiled NUMEROUS chances to Tie the Game.
    Respectfully, sir, I disagree with Most of what have to say on this. #FireTerry

  • Backman would be a fine young manager for a young and hungry team. However, he has too much of his own thinking to be the company man that’s desired and rewarded around these parts. At this rate…he would be lucky to have any role with the MLB team. And that is a shame.

  • Chris

    I too would love to see Wally here, but it’s simply not happening. Sandy will fire anyone who doesn’t implement his philosophies. He’s quoted in Moneyball. Look it up.

  • calamityfrancis

    I believe Alderson when he said he thinks Terry is doing a great job. No one else thinks so.

    Sorry fellas, but this team will continue to be crap. Owners won’t be changing anytime soon, either will the manager, the GM or the team.

    Stop going to games, stop watching SNY.

    Hitting the Wilpons in their wallets is the only that that will bring about change.

  • omar minayass

    agree with the player selections, but let’s be real here. they are pipe dreams with this ownership. you’re lucky if you see omar vizquel and bobby abreu out there in september.

    oh wait, we already signed bobby!

  • Tlagee

    Blaming Terry Collins is real easy but once you peal a layer off this onion of a team you find out that the ownership and front office are not committed to building a championship team.
    At best, Wally might squeeze a couple of more wins making tis team a 78 win team rather than 74. But, more importantly, Sandy went into the off season knowing that first base, shortstop and relief pitching were major problems and he did little to nothing to improve those positions. With that kind of lack of commitment, whoever is managing is not going to perform miracles. Terry did get a rather bland team last year to play .500 ball for half the season. The players play hard for him. The lack of talent and the movement to cheaper players, some who are young, is not his doing.
    Mets fans should concentrate on the real issue here which is ownership struggling to financially stay in the game and Sandy enabling them to do it.

  • TexasGusCC

    Right on Metsie. And I remember you telling me everything you wrote here.

  • DrDooby

    What’s interesting, that Wally B at the very least would probably lead to a noteable boost in ticket sales. While that shouldn’t be the main consideration, of course, when building a team, it sure has some relevance for this ownership group. There is no downside making Backman the manager now. The upside is a spark for the team and a boost in ticket sales.

    Pedro Lopez and Ryan Ellis actually are two more and very well respected managers in the Mets system who have had a lot of success and who have drawn rave reviews. However, they’d be very tough sales in the NY market, so Backman is the most viable candidate from within.

    More likely, Tim Teufel or Bob Geren will be high on Sandy’s list though.

  • Peter S

    Wally won’t change a thing. The mets need to make a choice. Either go for it now or trade more vets. This team is not going to win anything unless they bein in two bats.

  • Nolrog

    In game strategy is not overblown. Only overblown in the minds of a Collins apologist.The bullpen that Collins abuses the hell out of and burns guys out. A good manager would get far more out of this pen than Collins does.
    Wheeler went 118 pitches last night. There were several times that Harvey went 120 last year, including times when he was clearly spent.Every once in a while, I run into someone that so blindly defends the Mets that it defies logic. I swear these guys are paid by the Mets to go to blog sites and defend them.

  • Nolrog

    He is not calling upstairs every time he needs to make a double switch or to ask Alderson if he should hit and run. That is all Collins.

  • Nolrog

    I don’t really see so many issues like this from the Yankees though. I would say that it’s the Wilpons, their PR staff, Alderson and Collins that cause the bulk of this (and maybe because of their ineptness, reporters do dig harder.)

  • Nolrog

    Still no hitting though.

  • mjrk

    The “financial restrictions lessened”? Really? Wally would be a bad fit as manager offer this organization, in NY, of the major league team, where the Wilpons and Sandy would have to take notice of him, and he of them. All having nothing to do with his ability. Wally burns to win. It’s what made him a great player and why he occasionally explodes as a manager. The Wilpons have proved that they could care less about winning. Sure, winning would be nice, but burning to win; winning being the only acceptable goal; for which energy and resources are invested? Not at all. Simply owning the Mets – having a bauble to put on the mantle and an heirloom to pass on to Jeff- even if they either cannot afford to run the team successfully or are simply to cheap to do so – or both – is more important. And Alderson, by his words and actions, shares, implements and enables their vision. Wally’s passion would get the best of him and would not be appreciated by the soulless bean counters who own and run this team.

  • BronxMets

    im not defending Collins just asking you to clarify your statements which you are obviously just shooting at the hip. 118 Pitches for a 25 year old pitcher is not a lot. Unless of course you are too young to realize what real baseball is all about.

  • Mikey

    We had that conversation so many times it isn’t even funny Tex! LOL
    It’s too bad because there are quite a few people like us who right now could save a ton of typing by simply linking to what was said two and three years ago.
    Even the Newspapers and TV Media outlets are starting to echo what we all said long ago!

  • SteveFromNorfolk

    Viola is out of commission till next year. Bypass operation, remember?

  • SL

    It’s pretty simple. First, it’s pathetic that this article is even written. In sports, you judge EVERYONE the same way: Can we win a championship with this person/player/manager/coach. I think the answer regarding TC is pretty straightforward there.
    The second is this: TC has lost everywhere he’s been, Backman has won.

  • Nmartz

    I heard rumors about Hudgens

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Anyone can say that after the fact

  • Nmartz

    Ooooeww I didn’t have read the news! Thanks to God!

  • Andrew Herbst

    I think we have to hire Wally and shake things up. TC just isn’t performing.

  • NYM86

    Mets are afraid Wally will apply common sense when managing.

  • Hodges14

    TC hasn’t performed since the day he got here and it got him a new contract. Apparently performance isn’t the criteria they are looking for in a manager.

  • NYM86

    TC has a track record of screwing up good teams. We don’t want him around when we turn the corner, he’ll take us right off the cliff.

  • rubagreta

    Bring up Wally. If he bombs out, he’s out next year. What is the big deal?

  • Hodges14

    TC is to this generation of Mets fans as George Bamberger was to the generation of Mets fans in the earlier 1980s. TC has served his purpose. He’s lost on a consistent basis until there is no more patience on the part of the fan base. TC… it’s time to go. NEXT!

  • rubagreta

    Darin Gorski just pitched a 9-inning shut out at Bing. Let’s not write this guy off.

  • Hodges14

    You get caught in a PED sting you are lucky to get another chance. Better make the most of it.

  • billpulsipher

    TC is a joke but so is sandy and freddy and jeffy boy….the entire organization needs to be burned to the ground and start over….new ownership or its just going to continue to be throwing crap at the wall

  • willymayshayes

    Murphy, Neise for
    Kolton Wong and Oscar Tavares

  • willymayshayes

    Says who?
    He started slow last yr. streaky player is prob finding it hard to get hot playing 2/3 of the games.

  • willymayshayes

    Yes please
    Aggressive just like the old days. No more Duda the gentle giant watching FB’s down the pipe please. The whole over patient, look for the walk cr4p is driving me NUTS.

  • Taskmaster4450

    You are proposing trading two proven major league players for two prospects?

  • Taskmaster4450

    The Wilpons are afraid Wally might say what he actually thinks to the press about them.

  • BCleveland3381

    Here is the thing about Wally. If we’re winning, it will be great. If we’re losing, Wally is a huge risk of losing this team fast. Players run leagues. That’s how it goes in the MLB and NBA. The NFL is different because player contracts aren’t guaranteed and coaches have a lot of power. If Wally can turn this team around, he’ll be a hero and will be beloved by fans. But I could see it going bad…real bad.

    But in the end, what do we have to lose?

  • mets18

    maybe it is time for Alderson to look in the mirror. He signed the hitters Chris Young kept Duda etc and maybe this organizational approach of his is wrong. His quote of Nelson Cruz is that he doesn’t fit our hitting approach. So I guess 17 hrs and 50 Rbis is against his approach He signed Valverde and Farnsworth after they were released several times before. Angel Pagan didn’t fit Alderson style of play but he was good enough for the WC Giants

  • Taskmaster4450

    The difference is Cashen got rid of Bamberger when the kids were arriving and brought up Davey.

    Alderson extended the moron Collins for two years as the kids were starting to show up.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Actually he has a history of holding teams back who actually get good not too long after he leaves.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I am not sure I would term Backman young. He is 53 or 54 years old.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Big difference. 1/2 the Mets roster (if not more) is not guaranteed to be on the team opening day next year so they have a lot riding on their performance now.

    It wouldnt be as if Wally was taking over a veteran ball club.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Am I the only one who thinks that if Collins does get canned that Geren is named manager?

  • no.

  • Peter

    I think the manager can only to do much. Honestly I thought Valverde would have been released yesterday after the double header and Black woukd have stayed, if he did the outcome today might have been different, Black woukd have been a fresh arm and we needed one. It is things like this I auestion as well as the Ike Davis trade, I’m not a fan if Duda and never was, not sure what they see in him, he never hit with runners in scoring position or hit 20 homers in a season whether minors or majors.

    A move that would make sense in my opinion woukd be signing Morales to play first base and trading Duda to an AL team for a relief left handed pitcher. Morales is a good hitter, not great, but 270, 280 with 20 dingers is in reach, he is a switch hitter who can split Wright and Grandy and lengthen the line up.

    I feel a 1 year deal would go a ways to showing they really want to win, the pitching is fine, the bullpen is good and now with Black here and hopefully productive, mejia closing, it could become a strentgh. But the bottom line is they need offense and Morales in my opinion fills a hole for now and gives fans a sense of urgency.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Exactly. TC hasn’t been judged on his performance. Sandy keeps saying that he’s doing a great job because the players play hard and they are motivated. ML players shouldn’t need a manager to motivate them to play hard.

  • Bobby O

    I don’t get Sandy with Terry unless Terry is more than a part puppet to Sandy. Rumor has it that Sandy likes firing people when things aren’t going his way. Sandy is watching, evaluating and stewing too just like us. I think it’s more of the case of if I delete Collins, then who manages the Mets? Sandy most def. is not a fan of Wally. If Sandy was considering Wally, probably Greer would have been brought in as the new hitting coach.

  • Ytrade41

    Hiring Wally is the right move. He knows all the players and has won with them. I’m in no mood to restart over again and wait another five years.

  • Sylow59

    I needed a good laugh.

  • TheMets philosophy

    I dont think Wally is the answer i think the mets would go with Green and his glasses remind me of madden 🙂

  • $14435385

    Him or Teufel. Backman isn’t happening.

  • PatrickMets

    Heh heh

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Keep your enemies close and your lackeys closer.

    –Sandy Alderson

  • You can start the clock on the Terry Collins watch Dooby. Hudgens is gone and Collins probably knows he is next with Hudgens firing. Firing the hitting coach when a team struggles is baseball 101. They are scapegoats. No hitting coach in baseball history was ever singularly responsible for a team’s hitting success. Firing is to send a message cause you can’t fire the players though some may wish to. Still, consider message sent.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Pretty sure the Cardinals would be the ones laughing here, Task.

  • Tlagee

    Actually TM, this team is so hard to watch the way Sandy has put it together that I don’t care who’s managing the team. Hudgens was there because he embraced Sandy’s philosophy – he’s gone. Valverde was there because Sandy tried to fix the bullpen on the cheap – he’s gone. This is pretty much a replay of last year.
    My point is that anyone blaming Collins is missing the real point – that the team is broke,Sandy is there to keep the Wilpons financially afloat.
    Collins will get fired because the fans are angry. But the team will still suck with or without Terry.

  • Chris H

    Collins with the way he acted with sitting Lagares and now with Huggy Bear gone and him saying Sh** if you don’t know it part of the business then you shouldn’t be in it knows he’s next. The timer has started tick tock TC

  • CJM

    Free Pedro Lopez.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    I worry that it’ll get scary.

    I think TC is a paranoid in general. Put him on notice, and I fear he’ll put out all stops in order to save his job. I can see him destroying young pitching through overuse and over-/undermanaging, doubling down on playing vets against all reason, etc.

    Hope I’m wrong.

  • Tlagee

    Hudgens embraced Sandy’s hitting philosophy and he got fired. Valverde was brought in by Sandy to fix the bullpen on the cheap and he got fired. Who’s the common denominator?
    Focusing on Terry is an unecessary distraction – no one can succeed managing this team the way Sandy has pu it together.
    Yes, Terry will get fired, but we will still have Sandy and the team will still suck.

  • Anthony

    Sad but probably true

  • hit .385/.500/.685 slugging

    still think he shouldnt get playing time ?

  • I don’t think he would do anything to hurt young pitching to save his job myself. I believe Collins is better than that. He has a guaranteed contract so if he gets fired it happens but he gets paid the same nonetheless so he wants to win but he wanted to do that before today as well.

    As far as playing vets if Abreu becomes a regular player over say Lagares then I will be concerned but I think the goal still is to win but he can’t lose sight that the youth can’t just be brushed aside to do so as well.

    But I get the concern. FWIW I hope you are wrong as well. 😉

  • Tlagee

    That is why you should be careful what you wish for.
    Firing Terry is Titanic/deck chair territory.

  • konyc

    He ran Montero out in his first game when the kid had already thrown 97 pitches through five; ended up with a career-high pitch count. His first game! Ran him out yesterday when he’d already thrown 102. Today he let deGrom throw 122 in his third major league appearance. The only way you throw 122 in this day and age is when you’re tossing a no-no in the ninth. He’s already risking them.

  • CJM

    Where is the evidence that high pitch counts risk a pitcher’s health?

  • Al Hirschen

    Why Wally? With all the major-league baseball managerial openings in the past two years not a single team even called up to ask permission from the New York Mets to interview Wally that in itself says something right there!

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Thank you, sir—that’s what I was fretting over.

    Pushing young starters too long; overusing young bullpen pieces if they’re effective, because half our bullpen is usually unreliable.

  • konyc

    If there’s no evidence, why do they count them in the first place?

  • CJM

    Because they think managing pitch counts might have to do with injuries, but there is absolutely no evidence connecting the two. Moreover, the pitch counts, I’m sure, come from the tip–Alderson and co. If they took issue with TC stretching his pitchers too far, they’d fire him.

  • Captain America

    He woke up from a deep sleep

  • Peter S

    Let’s just say it the right way:

    #FREEMETSFANS

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    So, every team manages pitch counts because there’s absolutely no evidence? All through the majors, the minors, college, high school? Pure guesswork?

    You sure you want to go with that theory?

  • konyc

    The fact is, this is now the perceived wisdom in baseball, especially for young pitchers. You don’t let someone break their career-high pitch count the first time you use them, you don’t let someone in their third game go 122. Until we bring back Nolan Ryan, this is overuse.

  • CJM

    There is no evidence that throwing a lot of pitches causes injury. So yeah, it kind of is like guesswork–does that surprise much? I don’t think so.

  • Al Hirschen

    Bring in Ozzie

  • Look at the outings. Montero and deGrom were not laboring. I think it’s great to see the young guys pitch as long as they have this season.

    People can’t have it both ways. If they pull a starter at 90 pitches they are babying them and if they pitch 110 pitches they are misusing them?

    I just don’t agree with that.

  • derek murphy

    Wally Backman may be manager sooner than you think. I’ve been saying my dream team of coaches would be Backman, natera n viola. I follow vegas hardcore. Lately Backman has been managing like TC. Like Puello having a great game n being on bench next day. This I don’t think is a coincidence. He seems to be conforming to SA’s direction.

    SA wouldn’t hire Backman to manage a team with so many holes because then everything will be directed at him. SA I feel wants to get another protected pick. With all fans wanting TC oustered they can let the team get burried secure a bottom ten finish. Then towards end of season he can replace TC with Wally.

    Met fans will be so excited at the hiring of Backman they will buy themselves some time. When Harvey went down I think they decided to punt on another season. They could promote Dykstra play him at first play Campbell in LF n play Flores at SS n they would be a much better team. Puello is swinging a great bat but they keep sitting him he could come up n lead off. They won’t make the team significantly better cause the dont want to be decent. Next season they will get better with at vey back n have a top pick this year n next. They have a plan and its going to end with us having a lot of talent but my patience is wearing thin.

  • BCleveland3381

    There really is no evidence that throwing more pitches causes more injuries. Look at the spike in TJ surgeries this year and over the last few years in general. All in a day of pitch count scrutiny. Hell, the Nats shut Strasburg down when they had a chance at a WS and he still needed TJ surgery.

    Now they are starting to blame young kids playing baseball year round instead of stopping baseball in the winter and playing other sports. They really don’t know how to stop all the pitching injuries. It’s all trial and error right now.

  • CJM

    That is a hell of a conspiracy theory.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Because he was on the 86 team. That’s about it.

  • konyc

    Of course they were laboring–Montero had thrown 82 pitches in four innings. How is that not laboring? Just because weak-hitting lineups are not spraying frozen ropes all over the place, doesn’t mean you should still go out there. And both pitchers gave up a run in the last inning worked in their debuts.

  • Hodges14

    Actually, Bamberger quit.

  • mets18

    start with the owner and then the GM look at the talent Alderson had and what we have now. Reyes Beltran Pagan KROD Davis Gee Neise Harvey degrom Murphy were all Omar draft picks. who has Alderson brought here?
    I HATE his MONEYBALL APROACH.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    You’ll say the same thing under the next GM.

    “Nimmo! Syndergaard! Plawecki! Those are all Sandy guys! Who has *insert GM* brought in!?”

  • konyc

    Nobody knows why the uptick in significant injuries, and, yes, I’m old enough to well remember the four-man rotation and complete games. But the thinking is currently set that 100 is the magic mark, and there’s no evidence the Mets have changed their minds on this. Yet TC is consistently extending rookies beyond that.

  • CJM

    Doesn’t TC allowing young pitchers to go past the 100 pitch mark imply that they’ve adjusted their thinking on the issue? What I mean is, TC obviously has the green light to do this from the top, otherwise we wouldn’t see it happen this often.

  • Look at what he did after the 4th. He was not laboring. He had 1 bad inning and rebounded after that.

    I get the concern to an extent but I think 110 pitches should not be a problem for a young starter over 6 innings if it comes to that in general. Of course you prefer it to be over 7,8 or 9 innings but it should be evaluated on a game by game basis and in Montero’s case I feel it was ok.

  • $14435385

    There is, however, ample evidence of a positive correlation between throwing more innings at a younger age and the likely need for surgery later (see tons of ASMI research for more detail). With all the offseason and travel leagues, this generation of pitchers (now reaching their 20s and 30s) threw a lot more organized innings than any previous generation had, and Latinos (who constitute a far greater percentage of players in the league in the last 15-20 years than they had previously) are throwing all year in their countries as well.

    Throwing more innings at the MLB level may not be the root cause of the problem, but it’s certainly accelerating injuries. Combine overuse with hypertrophic weight training and pitchers trying to eke out that extra 2-3 MPH to wow scouts (instead of actually learning how to pitch) and you have a perfect storm for ligament troubles…

  • konyc

    Laboring is effort, not results. I’m not a big fan of the slavish devotion MLB now gives to pitch counts, but that’s how things have evolved. It does seem curious that, in an age of sabermetrics, when GMs need Ph.Ds in higher mathematics to win, the sport would collectively make perhaps its most crucial everyday personnel decision based on no evidence whatsoever. But right or wrong, that’s the thinking today, and unless you can show proof TC has routinely run young pitchers out for 110, 115, 120 pitches, then I say he’s overusing them.

  • Respect your opinion I just don’t agree.

  • ed charles

    Backman is the perfect manager for this team, at this moment in time. It is a team without an identity, without fire, who plays as if it’s expecting to lose. Backman has ties to tradition, and he’s paid his dues and proven himself at every minor league level. If he’s given a chance now to see if he can lead this team, we’d have a chance — just as we should with all these young players — to see what we have… Valverde is a good start, but enough with promised ABs and veterans who have no place in our future. Flores, TD, Soup, MDD, Black, all of the young players should be given a chance with Backman to see what kind of heart they have… This season doesn’t have to be lost. We may not compete in the standings, but it’s time to see who really wants and can be here.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    You don’t need a new manager to get playing time for the youngsters. You just need to choose to play them.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I like that its easier to come up with that conspiracy theory rather than just admit Wally is just as capable of screw ups as Collins

  • ed charles

    You need someone to inspire confidence. The team needs a change. TC trotting out a line-up card isn’t enough.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Winning builds confidence. Not mangers.

  • ed charles

    Disagree completely.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    OK. Only so much confidence your manager gives if you lose every day.

    “Yeah, we lost. But boy, that speech by Wally was really great.”

  • ed charles

    Again, I disagree, There are certain individuals who inspire and create confidence. We know TC doesn’t. Everything at the minor league level suggests WB does… I think it’s time to find out.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    You think Wally inspires confidence because they WIN! Winning is what gives you the impression he inspires confidence.

  • ed charles

    He’s won at every level he’s competed at… We’re going in circles….

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah. It’s chicken and the egg. You think he inspires them so they win. I think they are inspired because they win.

  • ed charles

    He’s won at every level, with other teams.

  • ed charles

    plus i think he’s paid his dues.

  • billpulsipher

    minds well get Bozo the clown to manage this team because the entire organization is run by clowns

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Right. He’s won. Winning is what matters. If they lose, you’re not saying he inspires confidence.

  • ed charles

    okay he happened to be managing when they won.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Top talent helped a lot.

  • Mikey

    I bet if he ever did look into a mirror it would shatter!

    Today he shot the messenger he was paying to bring his APPROACH to the hitters….
    Since it hasn’t worked he fired the messenger hoping someone else will make his lousy ill advised APPROACH a success!

  • ed charles

    look at his whole career. look, he’s not Knute Rockne, but he provides an identity and link to tradition. And there’s really nothing to lose.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    He’ll do what Sandy says or he won’t get the job. All you’re doing is changing the handwriting on the lineup card.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Bamberger gets a bad rap. True, he was a placeholder, but Jesse Orosco credits him as a positive force. Not sure anyone would say the same about TC…

  • konyc

    Doesn’t necessarily imply that. Could mean he’s trying to save his bacon, as suggested before, or not pull the kids at the 100-pitch mark because they’re all hitting it so early. Wheeler, Montero, deGrom all had very high counts very early, and pulling them right at 100 would have meant an additional burden for an overused, ineffective bullpen. If they have changed their tune, I’d expect to hear it expressed sometime during the 324 pre- and post-game interviews the manager gives.

  • E1Guapo

    Holding people accountable is what needs to happen. Bullpen shake-ups and hitting coach changes are not enough. SA will not leave until Selig is gone next year, we have live with that. TC needs to go and Wally is a good choice because he is a winner and knows this team. Perhaps he isn’t the long term solution but he sends a message to players and other Mets staff that mediocrity is no longer tolerated.

  • jimmy705

    So you think the Mets would have been just as good with George Bamberger in 1984 and onward as with Davey Johnson? Or with Dallas Green vs. Bobby Valentine post-1996?

    Wally now might be like Davey was in 1984, the guy who knows the young players, the guy with an idea how to out-manage the opponent, the guy who can, in fact, inspire a developing team.

    I’m not saying he will be…I’m saying it’s worth a shot.

  • jimmy705

    Oh, so THAT’S your reason never to change manager…that the next guy MIGHT make screw-ups like the old guy did?

    Wow, I can just see you arguing against hiring Gil Hodges in 1966. “Hey, he’s just as capable of screw ups as Wes Westrum or Salty Parker.”

  • so i guess his power and speed are good now.

    whats up with david copperfield at 3B

    mlb gets tough on ped’s and his power numbers have “eroded”

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Davey inherited a pretty damn good group of guys. Wally hasn’t had to build a roster, deal with guys making tens of millions or media in his face non stop (not the same as a player).

    You like him because he’s worked in out minor leagues? Fine. But so did Collins.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    No. But Wally isn’t some no brainer slam dunk. He’s just not Collins.

  • jimmy705

    I’m not saying that Wally Backman is the next Gil Hodges. (I’m not even that big a fan of Wally.) But Gil Hodges wasn’t Gil Hodges as a manager until the Mets gave him the chance. Especially with a young team destined to be younger, we HAVE to have someone other than Terry going forward. And absent a better suggestion, Wally makes sense to me.

  • Michael Armato

    Note to Sandy,,go against the grain and hire Wally now…give him the job.Stop hiring people you like and hire the right person which is Wally.Put your ego aside we all know you do not like Wally,but he is the man for the job.We need some 86” Mets bloodlines besides Teufel.HIRE WALLY NOW and save the season.

  • Ed

    Maybe they could get wally a good seat in the dugout Collins always proclaims he never saw anything

  • ed charles

    So did Rambis, Rudy T, yet PJ won. Showalter turned Orioles around. There are plenty of examples of people winning with same personnel. You would chalk it up to luck. Some of it is, but some of it clearly isn’t. Plus, you’re not the one who needs to be convinced… 🙂

  • piazza4aday

    “So did collins”… What exactly has collins done and where. Id take Wally’s record over terry’s any day.

  • chefmike87

    with more and more AAA mets called up each day … the mets ARE becoming wally’s team …. why not have him coach them in the bigs.. its seems he was able to pull the team together in AAA where they were an still are very compeative

  • BronxMets

    he coached these guys for a very little time in Vegas. I don’t see his handprint on any of them

  • BronxMets

    if they decided to punt after losing one player well then I think you have your answer.

  • Tango01

    If you guys haven’t read what Hudgens had to say you must read this article. He blames the fans for booing at the players. So let me get this straight we had what going on 6 losing seasons, players getting paid millions of dollars and Hudgens want fans to give these underachieving players a standing ovation? Hey I have an idea, you want the fans to stop booing then start hitting and winning ball games.
    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/87615/hudgens-fan-booing-is-big-issue-at-home

  • pepe

    He won’t do it Michael. That would mean he failed on that aspect. You must understand the mindset of this GM. He didn’t earn this job, he got it because he knew someone. He’s just a suit. He’s not a winner. Either is Terry Collins. What have they done in their baseball jobs? ……Nothing! But be mediocre at best. If that.

  • chefmike87

    i disagree … wally has seen the majority of the mets making the bigs since they started. he began in brooklyn in 2009. Then was moved up the minors with his impressive coaching. He was placed in buffalo in 2012 … and continues to this day with the AAA in Vegas. He oversaw a team that went 81- 63 last year. The team in which this was done with is for the most part making there way in some form or another to queens. i’d say for a man that has seen this guys basically from minors A to AAA, he was a profound hand print, and it should only be natural he continues his management of the players

  • ed charles

    Watch, we’ll get stuck with Timid Teufel.

  • Captain America

    He projects as a Scott Hairston if it comes together. He is a bit slow, which will get worse as he ages. His top skill probably is his arm, and he will need to hit for power to stick as a corner outfielder. How many homers and steals does he have in hitter friendly Vegas?

  • omar minayass

    i’m a guy who blames the players first & the coaches second. but, nothing pleases me more to see this P.O.S. out of a job.

    i hope he has as much success financing his children through college as ‘his’ hitters did taking to his philosophy.

    good luck selling cars dave, hopefully you don’t preach patience in that industry you clown shoe.

  • omar minayass

    Meanwhile, Hudgens told Newsday about the critical SNY booth: “I’m glad I don’t have to listen to those guys anymore. I just shake my head at the old-school guys that have it all figured out. Go up there and swing the bat. Well what do you want to swing at? It just confounds me. It’s just hilarious, really.”

  • Alwayzamazin

    No I thought it would be Gutless Geren?

  • Alwayzamazin

    wow! can’t wait for the next exit interview, Hudgens blames the field and the fans, even calls out broadcasters. maybe Terry will be honest and blame SANDY

  • Alwayzamazin

    sny is only 2 letters away from sandy. but they are giving their recap now

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Collins worked in our minor leagues too. He’s familiar with some of the guys who’ve come through as well.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Don’t see how you’re convinced, but you’re right. I’m not.

    Sandy is.

  • Metjorge

    Maybe if they had listened more to what the booth had to say, they would have seen better results.

  • BronxMets

    Wally is not going to make DUda, Tejada and Young any better.

  • I know, I know. But compared to Terry, everyone’s young.

  • ifti99

    AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
    I’ve covered team for 12 years and have never seen such a disconnect between team and fans/media, which I’ll lump as one entity.

    Absolutely true.

  • BronxMets

    you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overstating their exposure to him. WHeeler, DeGrom, Montero look it up

  • omar minayass

    i have to wonder if we are seeing the end of gary keith and ron in the booth. they have become extremely agitated towards the current state of the team & i can not think that this has gone unnoticed to the higher ups. in fact, i think they are so afraid to take action on them this year because the SNY ratings are the only thing keeping them from a huge net loss in ’14.

    burkhardt’s already gone. can definitely see darling leaving for a more solid role with TBS. and to be honest, i don’t see keith hernandez staying sober on air for the remainder of another pathetic season.

  • omar minayass

    abreu will be the hitting coach in ’15

  • omar minayass

    lobbying for another job there adam?

  • Mike B

    Old school guys? I thought the criticism from the booth a bit unfair, but how could it not be? Kirk goes 3-5 with a hr, then has the next game off. Darling says, “when you have a game like Kirk’s, on this team you get 3 days off”. Then the Lagares treatment? Hudgens has some new fangled approach, which clearly isn’t working. He has nobody to blame but himself. The problem I have with the approach is that guys take too many early fastballs for strikes. How about the approach by the best hitters, swinging at strikes.

    [url=http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303949704579457500607187252?KEYWORDS=miguel+cabrera&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303949704579457500607187252.html%3FKEYWORDS%3Dmiguel%2Bcabrera]Why Freddy Freeman Has Baseball’s Best Eye[/url]

  • omar minayass

    the approach in the short-term has been a failure, no question. but, hudgens has been here since 2011. the long-term failure in that period has been much much worse.

  • piazza4aday

    Working in our system…
    He was a scout or player development guy. He managed nothing to any victories for the Mets…he is doing his best to maintain that stat as we speak.

  • Nimmofan25

    To me hiring Beckman doesn’t symbolize change. Has been teaching the same views Alderson had Terry teaching so how is this change. The next coach has to come from outside the organization.

  • Nimmofan25

    The triple A team is full of AAAA players who hit in the minors but never make a long lasting impression in the majors.

  • Jpoo

    Sigh, as much as Im looking forward to the eventual TC firing, it just means we’re gonna have Bob Geren as manager for the rest of the season…..

    In May 2011, Geren’s managerial style came under scrutiny by Bay Area press after then-closer Brian Fuentescriticized Geren’s “unorthodox managing”, handling of pitchers and “zero communication”.[7] The following day former A’s closer and then-Colorado Rockie Huston Street stated to a reporter Geren was the “least favorite person I have ever encountered in sports.

  • Nimmofan25

    Stop please, everyone and their mother knew Collins has been a lame duck manager for years. Not a winner? Doesn’t he have a W.S ring?

  • Nimmofan25

    How is a guy who never coached a game in the bigs the guy for this job. Stop with Backman no team feels this guy is a major league Manager. There have been more coaches hired over the last 5 years then in any five year period and this guy didn’t receive 1 interview that has to tell you something.

  • Nimmofan25

    Yeah like Rex Ryan and he has won what exactly?

  • igotyourbackman

    He’ll make them better bench warmers. At least that is the hope. Though I’m still pulling for Duda…

  • Mike B

    I say let TC continue….as long as he stops playing CY. I thought Valverde was worse than Farnsworth, so not sure how he stuck around longer. If he gets CY out of the lineup, and keeps Duda to limited time until he does something, I’m okay with him for the remainder of the season. The starting pitching, now with Montero and deGrom, is fantastic. The bullpen just got a couple of bumps up, with Meija and now Black. We need a lefty with some heat, like Howell on the Dodgers. It’s a shame we blew so many game. 10 blown saves of 18 opportunities. Just awful. If it’s only 5 blown, we’d be 4 games over .500, and a game out of first, instead of 6.

  • pepe

    No. No World Series ring. As a manager

  • omar minayass

    ..

  • Fast Eddie

    If the Mets trust Wally enough to manage, teach and mold their best minor league players at the Triple A level, they should trust him to manage their team at the major league level. It makes no sense if they didn’t. If Wally were hired, he would already have familiarity with almost half the roster which is important because he would know their strengths, weaknesses and tendencies as ballplayers. I think that could be very important moving forward when we finally say goodbye to old man Collins. And for the record, I’m not someone stuck on Wally just because he was on the ’86 Mets. I legitimately feel he’d be a very good major league manager. He’s gritty, he’s passionate, he knows the game and he’s paid his dues. Who knows, he could possibly be the next great manager in baseball. He would also give the Mets an identity that we have not had for many years. An identity of a team that isn’t afraid of the big moment or afraid to get their uniforms dirty. If people think this team plays hard for wacky and incompetent Terry Collins, they would run through a wall for Wally Backman. Why else does Wally make sense for the Mets? Money. When it is finally time to make a change, there is no way the Mets would give a big dollar contract to a an established manager so they would definitely able to afford Wally…and in turn he would be grateful to be given the opportunity. It’s really a no brainer. Collins – Out! Wally – In! And the fans would love it of course. It would give the team and the fan base a much needed spark and provide some semblance of hope that we are ready to turn this mess around. In Wally we trust…

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    He was minor league field coordinator. When he was hired, people liked that he knew these players.

    Some of the same stuff they said about him they say about wally now.

  • Flatbush0460

    Make it so #1

  • JerseyMetLeague

    I agree with this 100% Thanks.

  • DrDooby

    Very much agreed. Over half the current roster has played for – and won under – Wally Backman over the past 15 months: Wheeler – Montero – deGrom – Mejia – Familia – Black – Edgin – Centeno (or once he´s back d´Arnaud) – Duda – Flores – Tejada – Lagares – den Dekker – Abreu

    He knows the organization, he knows the players, he has won with the players, he has won as a player here (and hasn´t been booed). He could be a symbol for the “underdog / real New Yorker” type attitude. This would be a move to excite the fan base. As I´ve written above, Terry Collins symbolizes the losing Mets teams of recent years. Even if it´s probably not his fault. But we´ve been looking into the dugout of a losing team and been watching him for quite a while now. And while the same is true for David Wright, Daniel Murphy, Jon Niese and Dillon Gee who have also been around, at least they produce on the field. TC may be well-liked and respected by his players and they haven´t thrown the towel. But both players AND fans need a fresh start.

  • Keith’s stache

    So we are back to square 1? at least square 1 started off with us having Beltran & Reyes on the team.

  • Mikey

    I will say this about Wally…

    I think he will be a great Manager in the MLB…
    But I don’t want him to be OUR manager until Sandy and his Philosophers get fired and out of his way!
    otherwise they will treat him like crap, set him off all in an attempt to get rid of him and name their own guy!

    If Wally does get the Manager’s gig it will be because it was forced on him…
    NO WAY Sandy promotes him to manager willingly!

  • Mikey

    When Hudgens says “Old School Guys” what he REALLY means is guys who KNOW how to hit! LOL

  • he had 16 HR and 24 SB in upstate new york last year.

  • i could see terry screaming out..

    Deee Plane Dee Planeee

    Boss Dee Plane….

    every time a plane flyovers Citifield

  • those are all jabs at Sandy.

    And Kirk being benched in favor of Chris Young or Scott Hairston or Fred Lewis is the same thing as Cesar Puello now being benched in favor of Andrew Brown or MDD or even Kirk…

    Sandy is more about Sandy being right and the rest of the old school guys being wrong

    In moneybook, Sandy says he couldnt overule LaRussa b/c ownership believed in Tony.

    Once NEW ownership came in, Tony left, and Sandy took it as his opportunity to shape the team in HIS direction.

    he says Art Howe was there to implement HIS VISION.

    In other words, the success Sandy had in 88-90 was more due to the old school guys he was trying to prove wrong.

    Sandy has had this chip on this shoulder about doing things his way and it has never worked. EVER

    the guy is a career failure at baseball.

  • Captain America

    Again last year when he was suspended for PEDs. Why if those numbers are repeatable is he not considered a top prospect? How was his power/speed in the winter league and now in the extremely hitter friendly PCL?

  • Mets Fan in Paris

    Yeah….I mean….what does Keith Hernandez know about hitting? He only had career #’s as follows:
    BA: .296
    OB: .384
    SLG: .436
    OPS: .820
    I mean….that guy knows nothing about hitting at all…it’s just funny that such a guy should open his mouth and give his opinions about hitting the baseball.

    Seriously Hudgen???? Enjoy your retirement and clean off the patio furniture so that your friends can come visit you soon!

  • DejaVu

    I have a feeling that eventually Wally Backman may get the nod, as the “interim manager” for the Mets, much like Mike Cubbage once did. And then he will be moved to a different position within the organization, or let go. I don’t think he’ll get a truly fair shake with the Mets.

  • Mets Fan in Paris

    What’s the name of our AA coach? I thought I read on here once about him being a legit coach and possible future head coaching candidate. Anyone know anything about him?

  • Mets Fan in Paris

    Can someone tell me who our AA manager is? I remember reading here once that he’s legit and should be considered for the head coaching position some day. Anyone got any info on him???

  • piazza4aday

    Comparing Wally, who is actually managing “some of theses players” and Terry who was an “observant” at best, is a little a kin to comparing the beer salesman to the batting coach…and “these people” that wanted Terry….well they were wrong about what he would do with that knowledge of the minor league system…unless its the beer prices you are concerned with….

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    You could be wrong about what Wally will do is the point.

  • piazza4aday

    Yes. I “could ” be wrong. But there is certainty at this point that anyone who feels Terry is the man for this job IS wrong.
    Ill wait while you cruise the innerweb for any quotes from former players strongly supporting Terry and his staff…go ahead…we got all season…and the next season…and so on.
    Wally is the man for the job now as if he implodes he is an easy “fire” if he succeeds …its a win. No brainer to let him finish out as “interim” manager for a team that sux. He is owed that just as buddy harrelson was…then let go tastelessly.

  • Captain America

    Pedro Lopez

  • RyanF55

    I’d love Wally to take the reigns, but I’d fall out of my chair if the Mets made that move. Outspoken, confident, arrogant….the Wilpons are shaking in their silt sheets thinking about that. He won’t be a puppet, so I doubt we’ll ever see him in Flushing unfortunately.

  • you can never do apples to apples comparison since he is not getting regular playing time.

    u can do that with Wright though…

    care to explain why his numbers have evaporated?

  • Wrightstuf

    This might be the best thing I have ever seen. I would love to see him say that to Collins :p. i wanted Wally as coach 3 years ago

  • Wrightstuf

    I converted my girlfriend to a Mets fan this year. I’ve been teaching her about the rules of the game and how its played. I’ve also taught her about what us Mets fans have been dealing with and how poorly Collins manages a ballgame. When we were watching SNY last night and she saw Hudgens get fired she says “now all we need is Collins gone.” I knew at that moment she was the right one 🙂

  • Helloboy

    Right, he just won’t play them.

  • Helloboy

    Alderson and Collins will be dismissed as a tandem at the end of the season. Who knows what will happen after that. Who would take over as GM and how will they run the team? It will be pure speculation as to anything else that happens.

  • BronxMets

    who is he going to play?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments
  • piazza4aday

    out of the 300 or so former players you find one comment who really mildly supported Terry….well done. how about a few from all star level players, not journeymen or current coaches supporting a “coaching brother” 15 years after the fact. All gary commented on was it wasn’t terry’s fault that the clubhouse imploded. literally. heck of a supporter. “No emperor Hirohito, its not your fault America dropped a bomb on Japan…you were doing a great job managing the war, it was the citizens fault you had to surrender”…

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Getting wally up here is the best move this team can make, hope someone has the brains to figure that out

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Id prefer a young gm, a guy under 40. Maybe some assistant gm somewhere, and wally is a no brainer, hes the manager we have needed for a long time

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Your gf is more knowledgeable already that sandy and the willpons

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Fire sandy!

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Tc sucks

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    True but wally would change the attitude of this team and i think the fans

  • BronxMets

    for two weeks

  • Mikey

    He won’t as long as Sandy is here….

    IF TC gets fired I expect Geren to take over interim…
    Lets hope that if Collins goes, Sandy goes next and the NEW GM gets to pick who manages…

  • Mikey

    And what is the key difference between the two?
    (Been mentioned MANY times here…)

    Hernandez says have to LOOK for Pitch X at Location Y
    Hudgens says WAIT for YOUR pitch, like one is going to come personalized with the batters name on it!

  • Captain America

    Let’s clear the puello situation first.

    He had a huge break out month plus in his career and then was suspended for his role in biogenesis scandal.

    Plays winter ball and does poorly.

    Gets promoted to the PCL and overall numbers are not good and had a good week.

    What’s the deal – is he a prospect or suspect?

  • inconsistent playing time is a factor in performance.
    the only time it isnt, is in a video game.

    again, with an underperforming OF in the MLB and the only one performing being the Omar signed Lagares, Sandy’s worst nightmare would be to promote Puello and have 2 free-swinging anti-BPO Omar leftovers outshine his Moneyball players.

    It would put him in a position to admit that he was wrong..

    and Sandy would rather lose and be right then win and be wrong…

    thats why he is not the right guy for this team..

  • Captain America

    So if there was an outfielder on the Vegas roster with less at bats than Puello but had more homers than puello had rbi’s who would get called up next?

  • Ray Carattini

    Would love Wally here. But it won’t happen, and that’s too bad. Bringing Wally here would be conceding that they were wrong, and Sandy won’t do that.

  • DejaVu

    Right. We’ve heard it all…Wally is going to come up here kick chairs and throw tables. Somehow that is going to make these losers into winners? No. The GM runs this team and the manager gets to write a lineup card and make in-game decisions. It will not change if/when Wally gets here.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Not entirely true at all, but your entitled to your opinion. Attitude and confidence can be changed, we do have some young skilled players, all who are currently lacking both.

  • DejaVu

    Yes, we do. But the chair kicking, table throwing manager is a thing of the past.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    We dont need a guy who throws tables. We need a guy who can talk to our players, guide them, give them confidence, understand how to use a bullpen and set a lineup, know when to hit and run, get players to want to play, jesh man arent u watching?

  • DejaVu

    I know. Believe me, I watch. Terry is terrible. However I have read quite a few posts on there though about how Wally is gonna come up here, throw tables and change everything. I don’t see it happening. If anything, I see Backman being given a cup of coffee on the staff this season, and let go when a new Manager comes in. I really don’t think he’ll be around.