Eric Young Jr. Likely Heading to the Bench

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May 2

Before last night’s loss to the Rockies, Terry Collins addressed reporters and did a little backpedaling regarding his proposed four man outfield rotation.

“I don’t mind it for awhile,” Collins said. “I think in the long run, you’ve got to have three guys you’re going to run out there. To pick and choose your spots and who should play when, you can do that right now. But I think you’re going to look up and you’re going to want to have three guys that are primarily your guys are going to be out there.”

Initially, Collins said that Eric Young Jr., Chris Young, Curtis Granderson and Juan Lagares were all good and deserved to play everyday.

“I don’t think there’s one guy you can point your finger at and say, hey, you’re not playing.”

Eric Young Jr. was not in Thursday’s starting lineup and Collins suggested for the first time that he might be better suited as a fourth outfielder because he can play all three outfield positions, as well as cover second base. This has been the majority sentiment all along among the fan base.

“It’s always amazing how many times late in the game you’ve got the pitcher coming up to lead off the inning,” Collins said. “And [Young] is the ideal guy to go hit in that spot. He can switch hit. And when he gets on, things happen. So it’s nice to have those types of guys over there.”

April 30

First, the good news. Barring any setbacks, the Mets plan to activate Juan Lagares from the disabled list on Thursday when they begin a four game series against the Colorado Rockies at Coors Field.

Terry Collins told reporters in Philadelphia that he intends to meet with Lagares, Curtis Granderson, Chris Young and Eric Young Jr. and educate them on his plan for the outfield going forward.

“They’re all good, and we can only play three of them. That’s the general message,” Collins said.

“The only message you can say is, ‘Listen, only three of you can play. So somebody is going to have some nights off. Each and every one of you are going to get some nights off.’ There’s no other way to really phrase it.”

“I think all of them deserve to be out there at some time,” Collins said. “They all have a key part on our club, and I don’t know how I’m going to rotate it just yet, but I think they all deserve an opportunity. I don’t think there’s one guy you can point your finger at and say, ‘Hey, you’re not playing.'”

Collins says that his plan will ensure that no player will miss back-to-back games.

  • Eric Young, who is batting .216 this season, is getting worse and is batting .162/.296/.216 during the two weeks since Lagares went on the DL.
  • Curtis Granderson is mired in a season-long slump and is batting .129 in 99 plate appearances, and .079 over the last 14 days.
  • Chris Young is batting .194 in ten games since being activated from the DL but has also been making solid contact of late.
  • Juan Lagares continues to lead the team with a .314 batting average and .816 OPS while providing stellar defense and limiting the opposition’s runs scored.

Don’t worry, Terry’s got this…

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  • Benny

    I can’t even get upset anymore. This should be expected of Terry…

  • Jeff

    Lagares plays EVERY DAY! Everyone else rotates, problem solved!

  • WillisReid

    I see nothing wrong with sitting an elite defender, who happens to be one of the teams best offensive players right now.

  • EY hasn’t walked in 4 games and that’s taking his OBP down. He doesn’t hit enough to boost it significantly that way but the guy still has a .360 OBP to go with his .250 BA since slumping at the start of the season.
    Get some more of those 2 base walks, man

  • metsman

    So the priority goes directly in the inverse order to how good the players are performing because of money and speed….oh and “promises”…because apparently paying a player millions of dollars isn’t enough, you have to “promise” them playing time even after you bid against yourself to overpay for them.

  • Nemo22

    Terry Collins is the biggest Imbecile in all of MLB.

  • BarnRat

    Funny thing, when Juan went on the DL I posted that it might do more to solidify his position as an everyday starter than anything else. The other three collectively performed about as I expected in making the prediction (EY somewhat better and Grandy worse), and it turns out I was completely wrong anyway. Make that another reason I couldn’t run/manage a ML team.

  • BarnRat

    Terry thinks it’s football. You don’t reveal your best plays early or the other team will adjust

  • I sure hope JL comes back and gives me a reason to be pissed when he sits

  • BarnRat

    Spoken like a true lifer…

  • Dave_in_Spain

    if Lagares plays 6 days a week in CF, Grandy plays 5 in RF, and CY plays 5 in LF, CF or RF, it still leaves 5 games for EYjr to play as a 4th OF. That seems like a fair split.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    …and that doesn´t count games in AL parks where somebody can DH.

  • jdon48

    ha ha ha, Joe. good job.

  • That leaves 2 games for EY

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    “Collins says that his plan will ensure that no player will miss back-to-back games”

    $50 says Lagares sits back-to-back games some time or another.

  • NewYorkMammoths

  • Taskmaster4450

    It is really simple….Lagares needs to come back and rake. It is that easy. Collins is an idiot but if Juan is tearing it up, not even Collins can sit a guy when his team is starved for offense. Of course, if he is that dumb, Alderson might overrule Collins and tell him to play Lagares like he did with Duda. Oh wait, Collins played Ike a good percentage of the time.

    Okay so Alderson will have to trade EY somewhere. Problem solved.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    Assuming 7 games per week. For simplicity sake say that CY covers CF when Lagares is off and RF when Grandy is off. That means CY plays 2 games per week in LF, with the other 5 going to EYjr.

  • metsman

    Why are we worried about fairness? Everyone except for Lagares has numbers that are DFA level if they weren’t making the money they were or were on a better offensive team. They should count their money and their blessings as they sleep with a bat in their beds praying for playing time; when I hear about them being “promised” it, it makes me want to vomit.

  • Taskmaster4450

    The first two games in Colorado.

  • $14435385

    When push comes to shove, the $16M player isn’t going to sit so the $600K player can start. Collins can talk all he wants about a 4-man rotation, but Granderson’s going to play 95% of the games…which means really it’s 3 guys vying for 2 spots.

  • I agree that EY should be the one who is short changed on time but if he can keep getting on base and stealing he’s gotta be in there. Spelling Murph at 2B and filling in there when Murph subs in for Duda could help too

  • mr1313

    EY needs to go to the damn bench when Lagares gets back Collins is such a stubborn jacka**.

  • everybodysbuddy

    I was all about sitting Eric Young for Lagares all year. I was not an Eric Young believer. However he has impressed me lately. Yes his BA sucks, but he gets on base, and he is an automatic base stealer. I can’t remember seeing someone so automatic, and I’ve been a Mets fan since Lou Brock was being cut down by Jerry Grote! If it were between the two, I’d still pick Lagares, but I like what Young has done on the bases. All of the reasons to not play him have been stated in this article, but he has scored an awful lot of runs for someone with such a lousy BA.

  • $14435385

    Sad, but true. It’s that Metsigh…

  • oleosmirf

    Repost from the other thread:

    Before everyone goes nuts about a 4 man rotation in the OF. Can we at least think about it logically before everyone cries foul.

    Monday: EY, CY, CG – JL
    Tuesday: CG, JL, CY – EY
    Wednesday: EY, JL, CG – CY
    Thursday: EY, JL, CY – CG
    Friday: EY, CY, CG – JL
    Saturday: CG, JL, CY – EY
    Sunday: EY, JL, CG – CY

    That means (if CY, EY and JL rotate equally) the breakdown would be like this:

    CG: 5-6 starts, 1 sit
    JL: 4-5 starts, 2-3 sits
    CY: 4-5 starts, 2-3 sits
    EY: 4-5 starts, 2-3 sits

    You’re looking at a total of 4-5 starts each taken away from JL, CY and EY per month which works out to around 21-22 sits over the rest of the season. Plus the player sitting will almost always be subbed into the game in a double switch, PH, PR or defense later on, so the actual number of AB lost will be low.

    Not to mention someone will get hold/cold/injured and everything will change and this will be all useless anyway…

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Smart thing to do is alternate between EY Jr & Chris Young in LF with Lagares in CF (Lagares leads off when EY Jr is not in the lineup) & Granderson in RF, but this is Collins.

  • NeedNewOwners

    Classic Alderson Era Mets. Collins the Clown proclaims that his sub .200 hitting outfielders are “all good”, same as the lone young bright spot outfielder and will stunt his development by putting him into some warped platoon scenario. Our black Jason Bay needs significant bench time. Rarely have I seen anyone look as lost and undisciplined at the plate than Mr. Granderson, the reverse racist. It is truly amazing that we finally got out from under the dead wood of Bay, only to take in more dead wood with this over the hill Granderson, who nobody else even wanted. I want to see him go under .100, and this clueless organization will still play him.

  • mr1313

    He gets on base? Not according to his OBP he has been lucky with a few errors in the field in his favor. He’s a 4th OF and a pinch runner late in games.

  • NeedNewOwners

    …past, present & future.

  • $14435385

    I don’t know why it’s so difficult to grasp – C Young struggles against righties, EYoung against lefties, and Lagares is miles beyond any of them as a defensive CF. This isn’t rocket science. But remember – we’re fans, which according to Collins means we don’t know anything.

  • billpulsipher

    TC makes it sound like he has 4 all stars to choose from.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Of course. Collins knows talent.

  • T Boogy

    For TC to insinuate that Grandy is part of the rotation is awesome news. Not sure if he had to get clearance from SA to say that but if he follows through with it then he will win over lots of fans (and haters).

  • everybodysbuddy

    Fast base runners who hustle down the line force errors. It isn’t just luck. Those fielders know they need to rush to get to the ball and then rush their throws. As I’ve said, I’d still choose Lagares over Young. How can you be blind to the number of runs Young has scored? He deserves some respect, and some playing time. If you’re playing outfielders based on their contribution to wins it would be Grandy, or Chris Young who sit. If you are choosing based on potential then it’s different. And if you’re playing time is based on future value, again it’s different. Lagares starts in all three scenarios. And he is the only one who starts in all three scenarios.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    I wish they had a “TC” betting line in Vegas. I don’t remember anything he has said in the last year that he hasn’t done the OPPOSITE of within weeks, usually days. No point in getting worked up about this one either.

  • metsman

    This will probably be as successful as no child left behined.

  • $14435385

    It won’t happen – $16M players don’t sit for 600K players, or >2M players. Granderson might get a night off or two to try to get him going, but if anyone thinks he’s going to be part of a regular rotation with the other three, they haven’t been watching this game – or this team – long enough.

  • Benny

    “Make that another reason I couldn’t run/manage a ML team.”

    Nope, it’s just another reason why TC shouldn’t be.

  • Hotstreak

    Keith Hernandez, Ron Darling, Cleon Jones, Ed Charles, Jerry Koosman, and Doc Gooden authored a request to the fans. Support the Mets. Be the 10th man in the stands (my input and take on their request):This from Adam Rubin. Yes 69 and 86 Mets asking for your support: My take which comes first the product or the pitch. With current owners it is “Show Me”. The Mets are my favorite NY Sports team and always will be. But give the fans the players too root for. The possibilities are there. Now let it manifest.

  • mr mojo risin

    why would you want to see him go under .100 ?

  • everybodysbuddy

    Three reasons to choose who plays. #1 is who is contributing the most right now. #2 is who has the potential to contribute the most this season. #3 is who will contribute long term. With those three scenarios only Juan Lagares fits. He is the youngest with the most room to grow, and with the best value years ahead of him, and who has contributed the most consistently so far this year. Chris Young will be gone next year. Grandy has a couple good years in him. And Eric Young will slow down soon enough. Lagares is a talent that must be allowed to develop.

  • metsman

    That’s a platoon that’s not getting any Younger.

  • Benny

    “They’re all good…”

    EYJ – .216/.320/.273

    CY – .194/.237/.389

    Granderson – .129/.242/.212

    sigh…

  • Mcgrupp81

    “Not to mention someone will get hold/cold/injured and everything will change in 2 weeks anyway”
    You’d hope the hot hand is played.
    Unless Lagares goes into a major slump, you’d want to play him everyday.
    Granderson is here for years to come and I could see him getting the occasional day off, but he is supposed to be a big RBI guy in this lineup and shouldn’t be out more than a game a week.

    I think Chris Young has the most incentive to play well here. He doesn’t play well, he gets less playing time. He gets less playing time, he gets a worse deal in the offseason.

    Eric Young-He really should be the 4th OF. He’ll get 3 starts a week if each OF gets an off day. There’s plenty of speed guys in this game that aren’t everyday players.

  • mr1313

    EY does not have a .360 OBP his OBP is .320 this year his career OBP is .325.

  • HarveyKsYou

    But Joe, I thought Chris Young was “dangerous”?

  • oleosmirf

    Murphy is never going to sub in for Duda…

  • Wolfmicky21

    How can you choose between mantle, mantle, mantle and lagares?!?!

  • oleosmirf

    If Lagares continue to hit, he will play everyday. I think it’s pretty straightforward.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Lagares better play every day if he continues to hit.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    If I may paraphrase: Baseball is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans. I’m impressed by your ability to map this out…

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Hopefully Eric Young Jr. pulls a hamstring soon.

    Thats the only way to get this dude out of the way. I dont like to wish bad on players but this is ridiculous the way Collins is trying to FORCE Eric Young into this Outfield.

    He CANT start over Granderson or C.Young and he isnt good enough to start over Lagares.

    This team will never turn things around until Terry Collins is replaced he doesnt excel in any area when it comes to managing and falls behind in all of them

  • shouldaswung

    Something I posted earlier on another thread;

    “At the MAJOR LEAGUE level, EYJ has a better BA, higher OBP, better BB%, more SB with a MUCH higher success %, and a better RUNS % too, by a lot.

    For what this team needs at leadoff, it’s not even close.

    By the way, here are their MINOR LEAGUE numbers over 7 seasons each;

    EYJ
    2005 .301 BA, .404 OBP
    2006 ,295 BA, .391 OBP
    2007 .291 BA, .359 OBP
    2008 .290 BA, .391 OBP
    2009 .299 BA, .387 OBP
    2010 .250 BA, .335 OBP
    2011 .363 BA, .454 OBP

    Lagares
    2006 .255 BA, .339 OBP
    2007 .210 BA, .262 OBP
    2008 .253 BA, .284 OBP
    2009 .266 BA, .297 OBP
    2010 .279 BA, .296 OBP
    2011 .349 BA, .383 OBP
    2012 .283 BA, .334 OBP”

    Let’s try to be fair and give credit where it is due. Lagares is a great looking defender, so far. Other than that, EYJ easily trumps him as a leadoff hitter.

    It is VERY possible that Lagares is a bench player, or, a AAAA guy with a great glove.

    So far, in his Mets tenure, EYJ has earned more playing time than Lagares, head to head. CY is the guy who should be coming off the bench by the way, even with the contract

  • mad met

    Lol..we could have had abreu for first base

  • mad met

    Cy will be gone at break

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Except we’re talking about Terry Collins.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Understand your concern, but wishing injury is less than cool…

  • shouldaswung

    Correct. EYJ really IS the only one who should be guaranteed a spot due to his numbers. Nicely put Chago!

  • T Boogy

    That was my first inclination too. But we’ll see. One thing is for sure: Grandy definitely has the highest ceiling for offensive production so I can understand him playing everyday if he gets back to normal.

  • mad met

    All bets are off when your batting in the 100’s.while tryingvto win 90. Money is already spent

  • BigAl831

    You are an idiot.

    Wish an injury on a guy who’s helped the Mets win in April. Get out of here.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    TC is often positioned as a yes man, but what FO in their right mind would make some of these moves? It’s really a paradox as to who’s actually in charge. Or else it’s definitive proof that TC is somewhat off…

  • mad met

    When your avg goes above 250 you can complain about playing time .untill then be lucky you have a job

  • BigAl831

    Jesus christ it’s April.

  • billpulsipher

    Rooting for EY to get injured is just wrong….now if you root for Tejada to get injured…thats another story

  • Benny

    You think it’s pretty straight forward? How can you say that after posting and advocating a 4 man rotation in the OF below, even after Lagares has outperformed every other OF on this team by a WIDE margin?

    Throughout the whole offseason you kept stating that TC should do a 4 man rotation in the OF until someone clearly deserves the “everyday starter” tag, which is exactly what Lagares has done, yet here you are again still advocating a 4 man rotation in the OF. Unbelievable…

  • mad met

    Ey got 20 runs scored granny i mean grandy needs a tennis racket or a rocking chair

  • $14435385

    Doesn’t work that way. Granderson will get a lot more rope to hang himself than anyone else because of the 00s on his contract, despite the 100s in the BA column. They got him to be a middle-order bat, and he will get every chance to prove he’s still that. I’d love to agree that it’s a meritocracy, but that simply isn’t true.

  • BigAl831

    How many games did Lagares start while he was healthy? Or in the second half last season?

  • shouldaswung

    Not cool

  • shouldaswung

    Same type of guys who bad mouth Wright and then defend their position by saying “I root for the jersey, not who’s in it”…unbelievable stuff. It’s all favoritism disguised as being logical.

    I’d never wish an injury on ANY player, let alone a MET! This is just a game…

  • This is when you hope someone, anyone with more sense in them steps in and says, rotate the guys who have been playing terribly, and Lagares every day.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Great defense!

    Only problem is, one has been in decline the last 4 years, one starts hot in April and sinks like a rock until August historically, and the other MAY get better, but we know what he is.

    So what is “good”?

  • Martin

    tell them the highest OPS plays, always.

  • Benny

    “At the MAJOR LEAGUE level, EYJ has a better BA, higher OBP, better BB%, more SB with a MUCH higher success %, and a better RUNS % too, by a lot.”

    You are aware that Lagares hasn’t even played a full season of baseball at the Major League level, right? It’s not too difficult to tell who has the most upside of the two, especially when you look at this year’s numbers (SSS).

    “By the way, here are their MINOR LEAGUE numbers over 7 seasons each;”

    Why are you even bringing that up? Minor League numbers are just…well… Minor League numbers, which have absolutely no bearing on what a player can do at the Major League level.

    Also, Lagares doesn’t have to be the leadoff hitter, so don’t really get why you’re stating that EYJ is the better leadoff hitter…it really doesn’t matter. Your misconception of EYJ earning more playing time over Lagares is just laughable at best, considering Lagares has the better numbers:

    Lagares has a .654 OPS and has a 4.3 WAR during his Mets tenure, while EYJ has a .637 OPS and a 1.9 WAR during his Mets tenure.

    P.S. There’s a reason the Rockies (practically) gave him away.

  • Benny

    Yeah and your point? That’s still not a good excuse for TC’s “they’re all good” comment, while they’re realistically performing miserably.

  • Benny

    What’s your point? Oleo stated that during this “4 man rotation,” the “hot hand” should be given the bulk of playing time. Guess who that is?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    We’re not going to at least see what happens before we complain and make sarcastic jokes? The other day, CY is “dangerous,” Granderson was about to “break out of it” and EY wasn’t getting a fair shake. Now, all of a sudden, before he’s even played, they should all make room for Lagares. The guy’s coming back from a hamstring injury and we should be thanking our lucky stars he was only out the two weeks. Don’t be surprised when they’re taking it easy on him and he’s sitting out one out of every three games to start off.

  • mr1313

    I don’t give a crap about EY Jr’s minor league numbers what I care about is this MLB career:

    2009 .246 BA .295 OBP
    2010 .244 BA .312 OBP
    2011 .247 BA .342 OBP
    *2012 .316 BA .377 OBP
    2013 .245 BA .310 OBP
    2014 .216 BA .320 OBP
    Career .255 BA .325 OBP = 4th OF

  • Benny

    “Now, all of a sudden, before he’s even played, they should all make room for Lagares.”

    How soon we forget how good a player was doing before an injury…Here let me remind you:

    .314/.345/.471/.816

  • shouldaswung

    Upside doesn’t mean “earned more playing time”, agreed?

    EYJ had a hot streak this year better than Lagares did in the same number of at bats so it’s hard to say what their 2014 numbers would look like side-by-side with equal at bats (because Lagares probably wouldn’t maintain his numbers).

    Also, insisting that amount of at bats doesn’t matter and then using a stat like WAR to compare them is hilarious.

    This team needs a leadoff hitter was my point.

    I remember how adamant you were that Valdespin was going to be an all star and that he deserved more time at 2B than Murphy. Guess you didn’t learn from that…

    I like your passion Benny, but, try to take a neutral position sometimes.

  • shouldaswung

    So don’t read them.

    It was basically for a point I made in another thread. I thought it might be interesting to lay a history down in this thread…

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yes, he had himself a very nice two weeks to start the season. But he’s still coming off a hamstring injury. Mets fans should have a good idea how those can reoccur. Lagares will not be put out there full steam ahead to start, nor should he.

  • Benny

    The way you phrased that sentence is as to say he didn’t do anything to warrant being the everyday CF. I would be fine with easing the workload a bit because of how tricky hamstring injuries can be, but I also know the difference between easing the workload and just making him the 4th OF.

  • Benny

    Okay:

    Lagares – .816

    EYJ – .593

    CY – .626

    Granderson – .454

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Nobody thinks he should be the fourth outfielder. And before you say it, no, not even Terry Collins. But the truth is while their numbers haven’t been that great, none of the three guys out there now bring nothing to the table. And like I said, a few days ago everyone was complimenting them. Granderson was about to break out, CY is “dangerous” and about to be our best offensive player, and EY leads the team in WAR. We’re not talking about benching Kirk or MDD here. They’ve all played well enough to warrant more than spot starts, imo.

    Last year it was “what outfield?” and now it’s where to fit them all? I trust that Lagares will prove he belongs there every day and the rest will work itself out.

  • mr1313

    But it makes no case for him to be starting at all. How many players killed it in the minors and did crap in the majors not to mention some of the years you listed were split between the majors and minors with small sample sizes. EY Jr is a 4th OF if fans can’t see that than their looking through rose colored glasses. It’s been said before and I agree EY Jr is typically a guy you root for coming off the bench (nice guy good teammate all that warm fuzzy stuff) but the fact that TC insists he’s a starter frustrates fans and turns them against him.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    No favoritism on my part…Eric Young sucks

    Lagares, C.Young and Granderson are all better than he is.

    I dont mind EY as a 4th OF but when you tell me he will take playing time away from better players because he is Collins favorite then all bets are off.

    EYjr is Mike Baxter w/more speed, lower OBP and poorer defense

  • Pike Miazza

    You know hes not going to get authorization from the Willpees to sit the $15M blunder….so, what he means is he’ll rotate the other 3

  • mr1313

    You did reply to me so I read what you had to say.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LoL.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I love how the SABR stats lovers love discounting stats like RUNS, RBI’s, Win and Losses EXCEPT when it suits there purpose.

    I contend that if Lagares had batted leadoff for the Mets EVERY GAME(like EYjr) he’d have at least the same 20runs.

    And yes Grandy is sucking but he is still FAR BETTER than EYJR. And even through his sucking has won 2 games for the Mets.

  • shouldaswung

    EYJ provides something for this team NOW though…run scoring. And who is to say that Lagares isn’t a bench player?

    I think EYJ will play his way to the bench if he doesn’t produce…but he IS producing now

  • Pike Miazza

    TO THIS POINT, EY has been the most pivotal, indispensable of the 4 !!
    Open your eyes

  • Benny

    “Upside doesn’t mean “earned more playing time”, agreed?”

    Yes, but I never said it did. I literally stated why it has been Lagares who has actually earned more playing time, or did you skip over the stats?

    “EYJ had a hot streak this year better than Lagares did in the same number of at bats so it’s hard to say what their 2014 numbers would look like side-by-side with equal at bats (because Lagares probably wouldn’t maintain his numbers).”

    That is just completely false!

    It’s also not my fault that Valdespin was too immature to use his God-given talents. Just because he ultimately failed, doesn’t mean he didn’t have great talent and potential to become a good player. I was wrong completely on Murphy in terms of what player he would eventually become, but he is still by no means a good defender at 2B. Still don’t get why you’re bringing that up as if that has anything to do with this.

  • shouldaswung

    touche mr1313… 🙂

  • ill_egl

    Go home terry collins… youre drunk.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LMFAO!!!!

    You call this PIVOTAL & INDISPENSABLE???? o_O

    Eric Young Jr.
    .216avg/.320obp/ .273slg/ .593ops

    Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! Thats a ridiculous statement, these numbers are pathetic.

  • shouldaswung

    Just wanting to give you perspective on small sample sizes and foaming at the mouth for more playing time for your favorite…

    I like Lagares too. EYJ fills a bigger hole right now though, and is doing a solid-to-good job. He should start, as should Lagares, with CY coming off the bench, in my opinion.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Leads in WAR, runs scored, stolen bases and defensive runs saved. “Pivotal” and “indispensable” is strong, but he’s been plenty good.

    And wishing an injury on a player is pretty low class.

  • mr1313

    They just don’t see it. The rose colored glasses are blinding them.

  • BronxMets

    Folks sorry this is a problem with society you cant say anything anymore you have to be sneaky part of the everyone gets a trophy crew. Not my era……..there is no such thing as managing its manage the media………..just plain stupid…..good luck people

  • BigAl831

    hahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahhahahahahahahahha dude you must be doing great things in life! hahahhahahahaha

  • BigAl831

    Who leads the Mets in W.A.R? Just curious….

  • Martin

    good point. they would need to round robin it for a month worth of AB to remove small ssample size influence somewhat. EY should be odd mab out now based on granderson career ops

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Why us he still here???

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Between the willpons, tc, sandy and the other 3 stooges we have ourselves one heck of a crack leadership staff! God i feel bad for wright.

  • oleosmirf

    I did not advocate a 4 man rotation. I was merely saying that is how it would play out IF they used such a rotation.

    I would play Lagares every day (once the injury is no longer a concern) at the expense of CY…

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Hey, weren’t you the guy who said Lagares was a waste of a roster spot based on last year?

  • Martin

    i was! i said he should be placed on a rocket and shot to the moon!

    happy to report he has proven me wrong in a very very small sample. i hope he continues. i still dont think he he will keep it up, but cheers to all of you and jeers to me if it happens.

    (i also said duda should play and i was right about that)

  • mad met

    Yeah must be rough with 200 mil in the bank

  • mad met

    14-11

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Fortunately Eric Young has failed to produce in the MAJOR LEAGUES as he has in the MINORS. Which is why the Rockies DFA’d him.

    And he is damn near 30yrs old so he’s no longer a prospect with upside.

    Lagares is the best defensive CF in the Majors already. And he has shown so far that he has improved with the bat. There is no question that Lagares is the better option.

    No team in the MLB would choose EYjr over Lagares if they had the choice. I guarantee that.

    EY is at BEST a 4th OF

  • hence the “since slumping”. Since April 6, those are his numbers

  • beats the heck out of Satin doing it

  • mad met

    Dont change the rules

  • mad met

    Bambi is not the answer at first base either sucks with men on base

  • Martin

    again, avg with men on is not a thing to care about.

  • mad met

    I see 20 runs scored. And my free agent cleanup hitter could not hit water if he fell out a friggin boat

  • Out of place Mets fan

    That he leads in anything other then SB is a testament to how badly the OF has been without Lagares. He should be the 24th man on the team, just above the AAAA fodder then comes and goes

  • mad met

    Im old school man. Could not careless about saber stats. Ey job is to score runs. Yes juan has to play every day agreed but right and left are up for grabs . Earn your playtime

  • Mike Lloyd

    In TC we trust- doesn’t that inspire confidence???

  • mad met

    They are under a ton of pressure to have a winning record this year. From a money stand point winning games will create more money then the loss of 16 million from grandy over a season .. if they can keep the fans intrested all season by winning and showing progress they will make more money overall and that increases dramaticly if they make the playoffs .this is a big year for the owners they really want to play well this year and go for it in 2015 for a ws

  • mad met

    Lol how this game works is when you score more runs then the other team u win .

  • mad met

    Im an ey fan bud .but that comment is just not cricket

  • @Joe D – I hate the subject matter, but I have to say that picture of Terry is some really good camera work. Nice job!

  • BCleveland3381

    RUBEN! OUR SS OF THE FUTURE!

  • BCleveland3381

    Why leave Hamels in there? Everyone on the planet could see he was toast last inning.

  • Mike Lloyd

    Exactly!

  • KEITH

    Wait. Collins forgot to include Abreu in the rotation.

  • Mike Lloyd

    EY sucks : ) Lol

  • Jgreen

    Sounds like a plan that was made by Bush and screwed current American education system

  • KEITH

    Wrong site pal.

  • billpulsipher

    Harper out until July…he will be missed lol

  • jason bay

    Terrible play by Young.

  • jason bay

    I’d rather have the 2nd round pick we gave up for Granderson but Young is a great addition. If Juan were to get hurt or not hit you wouldn’t be able to get a player like him and playing him AND Kirk (or MDD) in CF is not a bad situation.

  • jason bay

    Great job Niese, Murphy (back over .300) Tejada (2B 2 RBI) Young and good job Dice K and Valverde.

    Pen is now fully rested and our sights are set on Kyle Kendrick and his 2014 performance Vs. LH Hitters. .350/.409.575.

    Tomorrow’s Hero’s? Who knows. Bad park for Colon but if the weather remains bad that might help. Murphy, Duda, Granderson (breakout?) and I would give a start to Abreu in the small OF back in his former hometown.

    I sense a Met victory of the 9-7 scale pushing us 5 games over .500 at 16-11.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Sometimes less is more. For instance, less Terry = more wins.

  • jason bay

    Yeah Mike on a full year basis it would work out to 120 starts and another 20 times guys come in off the bench for double switches, pinch hitting, defensive replacements.

    Keeps everyone in it and keeps everyone fresh, not to mention on their toes,

  • seldomused

    There is no reason to not give Lagares the starting job until he proves otherwise.

  • Shea2citi

    Both positions aren’t up for grabs. If you think the mets are really gonna bench Granderson most of the time then you are delusional. Chris Young hasn’t been great but he gives the team a power threat. To me the decision on who should be benched is easy.

  • Shea2citi

    I agree.

  • Shea2citi

    Your thinking is not realistic. Just like with any big time free agent, big name, star player, they are gonna be given every chance to sink or swim. Granderson was the biggest free agent the mets signed to a big money deal in the offseason, he also has a track record of success. They will start him more than any other outfielder. The rest of the outfield doesn’t have the track record or the money owed to justify more playing time. It’s not like it’s the third or last year of the 4 year deal Grandy signed. It’s the first year and we’re not even out of April yet. Again that mindset is unrealistic and just won’t happen.

  • Shea2citi

    I love when people use the phrase “since slumping”. What’s gonna stop him from not slumping again?! Should we not count those stats during his slump?! When evaluating a player the whole sample size has to be used, not a portion of it.

  • Shea2citi

    This rotating outfielders is nonsense. The only time EY gets on base is when he walks or gets hit by a pitch. He’s simply not a good hitter and he’s terrible with risp. Yes he’s scoring a lot of runs but that’s just not a good enough excuse to start him. Look at the rest of his stat line. He’s a nice little 4th outfielder, who can be a pinch runner and get an occasional start. A Dave Roberts type of player.

  • mad met

    Cy will be gone at the break until then with the pressure they are under to win and now with the ants without Harper all bets are off earn your play time or sit is the mantra sit back and watch .juan has to play and ey will gat 3-4 starts per week put it in the books

  • mad met

    With the pressure on them to win and the nats losing Harper all bets are off till the all star break when cy is traded earn your play time or sit Juan will play or the fan will go ape $hit .ey is Collin fav and he is producing runs.., he will get 4starts per week put it in the books

  • mad met

    They will make more money by staying in the race and not losing fan interest .. With the pressure they are under to win and with the nats losing Harper all bets are off until the break when they trade cy ey is Collins fav and he is producing runs .juan will play or fans will go ape $hit do the math ey starts 4games a week

  • mad met

    Juan will get 4-5 starts per week ey will get 4 starts per week put it in the books

  • Shea2citi

    That’s not how the front office and coaching staff is gonna handle it. Lagares is gonna start, so is Granderson. That’s automatic right there. The rest of the playing will be between CY and EY. The mets are in need of power more than anything else. The only thing clouding reality is Terry’s man crush for EY. CY will be given every opportunity to succeed. EY is not producing enough offensively to validate him starting over anyone and doesn’t have the track to say otherwise compared to Granderson and CY. EY will only get at most 2 starts a week.

  • Shea2citi

    Juan and Granderson are gonna start most of the games. EY shouldn’t and won’t start many.

  • Mark Griffith

    I’m not going to get too worked about this until two things happen: 1) it’s a legit problem. Remember, we have played the entire first month of the season without having to worry about this yet. 2) We start losing. For all the Terry Collins bickering that goes on, we are still 15-11 through the first 26 games. It’s entirely possible he has a better grip on what works for his team better than we do. On paper, we all agree we should be a .500 team at best, and most likely a below .500 team. Yet we are winning. As long as that continues to happen, I could care less which 3 OFers play.

  • mad met

    Power only works when u can hit the bat .right now grandy would need a tennis racket. I hope your a guy who comments when u are wrong cause ey will start 4games a week hands down

  • mad met

    Only time will tell my friend . But ey has 20 runs scored and is Terri’s fav. Juan is gonna play cause the fans will go ballistic . Grandy could not hit water if he fell out a friggin boat. 4 starts a week for ey5-6 for Juan

  • Shea2citi

    You go ahead and think that dude. I hope you make it back to reality from the dream world.

  • BehindTheBag

    I love easy “problems” like this. Grandy, Lagares, CY – that’s your outfield. EY Jr. plays once or twice a week to give guys rest. The playing time should not be equitable since these are not equitable talents.

  • skyking26

    When your leadoff hitter is batting .215 there shouldn’t be any questions of where he plays. Most managers wouldn’t have to sleep on it. EYJ can be very beneficial if he is used the right way. Playing him everyday is not.

  • RyanF55

    Granderson in RF, Lagares in CF, CY/EY platoon in LF until either complete lack of production or injury occurs.

  • mad met

    In the end these are all just our opinions.. Time will tell what happens we will see in a few weeks what is what .. I will tell u this I will message u and say I was wrong .the question is what type of guy are u .

  • Tango01

    Everyone knows that Collins has a bro crush on EY. But as we saw last year and this year the more you play him the more you can see he is not an everyday player. What I would do is start CY at left, Lagares in CF and Grandy and right. EY can be the 4th outfielder but every week i would rest one of the outfielders and spell Murphy so that you’re not burning him out. So right there EJ will get at least 4 starts a week.

  • Fast Eddie

    If the plan is to rotate outfielders, why not include Capt. Kirk and do it on the basis of L-R platooning? If has become obvious that Granderson and Nieuwenhuis have trouble with southpaws, while EY and CY struggle with righties. Wouldn’t it make sense to platoon Grandy and CY in RF, EY and Kirk in LF, leaving Lagares to patrol CF eight games out of ten, with Nieuwenhuis and CY getting the other two starts in center?

    Rotating four outfielders and keeping Kirk on the bench is wasting the talents of the young man. Get him into the rotation, TC, or send him to Vegas to get some swings!

    Veloz

  • azulnaranja

    This is a logical plan, with a systematic thought approach to it. Unfortunately, TC does not think that way, so there is little to no chance that he will do it.

  • azulnaranja

    Like Tango’s below, your suggestion has reason and structure behind it, which unfortunately probably means that TC won’t do it. He prefers to play his hunches. Also, I am afraid that Kirk is the guy that they will send down to make room for Lagares, and keep Abreu. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad idea. You can almost bet that sooner or later one of the outfielders is going to get hurt and we will see Kirk back in Flushing.

  • MiqueMetsFan

    The numbers don’t lie. Play Lagares, Granderson (because of his contract), and C.Young. EY needs to go to the bench.

  • of course they count towards his season average. However, is the past 20 games more of an indicator than his first 3? Doesn’t it seem that he started off a bit off his game and it took him a dozen or so ABs to start getting on base? I’d say so. Irrational Sandy haters, however, would not.

  • Erin_II

    Collins backpedaling and going back on his word? Get right the hell out of town. His pathetic love affair with EYJ has been overridden by the front office. I sure wish that the old man could just manage to keep his mouth shut.

  • At least TC gives us things to get up in arms about for a few days before he comes around. He’s the best manager of all time when it comes to generating discussion in online blogs.

  • Peter S

    Vegas just set the line at -235 that EY is starting in LF tonight.

  • AJF

    This is Collins real problem in Life

    Diarrhea of the Mouth

    Diarrhea of the Mouth
    Diarrhea of the mouth is a slang term referring to excessive talking
    and to describe a person who talks a lot but gives little or no valuable
    information. The term can be also used to describe a person who does
    not stop talking even if no one is interested in the topic he/she is
    talking about. Diarrhea of the mouth is sometimes also used as a synonym
    for not being able to keep a secret or use of vulgar/unacceptable words
    during the conversation.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    If everyone is always so sure that you should ignore everything Collins says, why bother getting so upset?

    What Collins initially said was correct. There isn’t one guy you can point to and say “you’re not playing” because only Lagares has shown you anything.

  • jerseymet

    Great observation. People talking about the Mets is good for business.

  • In a seriousness, you need to wonder if Terry is being instructed from above as far as lineups, etc. First the not batting Duda cleanup comment and now this. He ends up looking pretty silly so you think he’d just know to shut up and wait for his instructions. I wonder if he wears an earpiece during the game.

  • TheMetsMachine

    Love it! now we will have two of the outfielders hitting a combined .150!

  • elcorazon86

    Well, if it’s like anything else Collins says, “awhile,” means 3-4 days and then he will bench somebody. Just like Duda batting cleanup, or Duda getting the everyday first base job. Make a decision and stick to it. Right now, I would bench Granderson against left-handers. Lagares should be playing everyday.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    I agree he thinks before he speaks but I’d challenge anyone in his position in NY to have nothing to say all the time when the media is constantly demanding quotes to feed the 24/7 news cycle. And don’t think I generally defend him-I don’t think he’s a good enough manager to helm a contending team but he’s not as guilty of this as you make him out to be

  • Xavier 22

    That would be classic Moneyball management.

  • AJF

    He just needs to stop telling the media everything he is thinking about doing

  • Xavier 22

    Are you just catching up with Tuesday’s game?

  • I agree but most NY managers master the art of talking enough to satisfy the press without really saying anything. He could have said, “As far as I’m concerned we have four outfielders that should be starting but we’ll see how it plays out.” That is absolutely non-committal and shows faith in his guys. He can then say the same thing 5 different ways and he’ll seem like he’s said his piece.

  • everybodysbuddy

    And this is why he is the manager and not Wally Backman. When they initially interviewed them and Backman thought he came off well, I am sure Sandy had already decided on Collins because he could be controlled.

  • Jakal42400

    I’m not gonna hammer Collins on this one, but I used to enjoy how Valentine would handle the media. He always seemed to answer the question with a question, but it is a talent that not many are capable of. Riley, Parcells and Valentine are the few that I can think of.

  • Absolutely and the Wilpons like Sandy because he is their filter and willing to be the scapegoat for everything. Who knows if he really has the flexibility he says he has but he always speaks as if he does which protects Fred and Jeffy. It’s all about good soldiers but it’s too bad it’s not about good players.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    I absolutely agree with this. No org in the world would put up with a manager who constantly reverses course like this on his own. Somebody higher up keeps sticking his schnozz into the day-to-day. And because Sandy often has to do the same backwards somersaults, I’m guessing it’s somebody further up the food chain. IMHO.

  • sarge69

    Back pedaling again!

    EY is a good 4th OF, ph off bench and base runner for slower runner plus can play 2B if double switch needed.

    Why would TC say what he did then rescind it later?

    Probably someone above saw that having a guy, other than Granderson, batting leadoff hitting way under .200 despite his mid ,300 OBP is not going to work, can’t TC have seen this?

  • everybodysbuddy

    I do think that the Wilpons do trust Alderson’s plan though. I’m sure they love the fact that it is an inexpensive plan, but building from the bottom up and not having too many long term big contracts to smother the plan in the later years just does make so much sense. I don’t think I’d have the patience that Alderson has, but it makes sense. Now when the young players start producing in the majors I will be very disappointed if big contracts are not offered to retain these players in their prime years. My fear that we will be run like Tampa Bay where the stars are traded once they become expensive is my big concern. The Wilpons will need to spend, but I’m fine with it not being on the long in the tooth guys like we once did way too often!

  • NewYorkMammoths

    At this point, when Terry speaks, this is all I hear:

    http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-02-2014/hTwB3Q.gif

  • gary s

    This buffoon of a manager started the year shuffling 3 first baseman..Why not shuffle 4 outfielders..You cannot make this crap up if you tried!!!

  • MyasDaddy

    The only reason we have a problem is because we have a manager who is absolute moron. If Lagares don’t play everyday it would be criminal. Keep EY on the bench where he belongs. Get CY and Granderson going so we don’t have this issue moving forward.

  • RyanF55

    Oh, so a complete contradictory statement to a strategy that was set in place just days prior? Shocking.

  • WillisReid

    Why say anything either way? Teams carry 5 OFers for a reason, use them. Especially when 3 of them probably shouldn’t be playing everyday.

    Matt Joyce and $60mm in hand looks pretty appealing right now. Or Joyce, Drew and $15mm.

  • Hard to describe what I hear but my reaction is something like this…

    http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/cover-ears.gif

  • tacknaf

    “Don’t like Terry Collins’ plan? Just wait five minutes, it will change” – Mark Twain

  • Djmurphy

    That’s the way it should be anyway. Most met fans have wanted it that way since before the season started. Since the end of last season I’ve been lobbying for Lageres to leadoff. After he addressed the things they wanted him to in the fall league it was a no brainer.

    When young is in the lineup he has to hit first. This I understand he is a one trick pony. Lageres can drive in runs also so when young plays he can move down in the order. He should play cf every day unless he’s hurt. Young can spell the guys on the corners.

    Knowing what our problem in the order is dont take rocket science. Not having a clean up hitter is brutal. We all begged for them to sign Abreu and that was a good call. However, for whatever reason the mets never really considered. Think about it not only would we have Abreu but we would have gotten prospects for Davis and Duda. He was a major building block and would have cost nothing. For the life of his contract its looking like he will be a top 10 power hitter in this league. Probably top 5. The thing I like about him is he has so much power park won’t effect. We need an MVP candidate to put us over the hump. We may have had one if they signed Abreu.

  • RS

    A guy getting on base with a mid 300 OBP would be nearly ideal with EY’s speed. The problem is he’s only getting on base at like .320. I don’t see why it matter much what he hits if he gets on base consistently, gets in scoring position, and scores runs. That’s what he did for a while after a slow start. Unfortunately his effectiveness has wained of late

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    FIRE THIS MAN ASAP!!!

  • Andrew Herbst

    TC acts like we have four all star outfielders.

  • mr1313

    While I agree he should be fired this is probably the best decision (or Sandy’s decision) he’s made to this date. EY is a better 4th OF with versatility to pinch hit, pinch run, play 2b and the fact that he’s a switch hitter also makes him that much more versatile as a ph. EY is a 4th OF not an everyday OF.

  • Avi

    “It’s always amazing how many times late in the game you’ve got the pitcher coming up to lead off the inning,” Collins said.

    Not so amazing when Ruben Tejada is your #8 hitter!!

  • mr1313

    I’m not defending Tejada but most here seem to like EY and Tejada has the same OBP as EY. I realize he’s an easy target but there are a few players on this team that have been atrocious with the bats not only Tejada. Yes EY has speed but speed is only an asset if you can get on base.

    EY: .215 BA .321 OBP
    RT: .208 BA .321 OBP
    CG:.141 BA .252 OBP this is pathetic.

  • Avi

    RT has been intentionally walked 6 times already (only because he hits in front of pitcher). Take those out and his true OBP is .282. Which is sadly better than last year’s .259. I agree that EY is best served as a 4th OF/utility player, but at least he offers speed and versatility in that role. Tejada offers nothing in his.

  • mr1313

    I figured that would come up (it’s 5 IBB for RT) and you are right but EY has 1 IBB and has 2 HBP so…

  • Avi

    Sorry you are correct- it’s 5 IBB for RT. HBP is a bit different than IBB, that can be a legitimate “weapon” (e.g. Biggio) whereas IBBs as a #8 hitter are really just a product of your spot in lineup. Regardless, I would take EY over RT as an offensive player (say, if you had the option to use either as a DH) any day of the week.

  • mr1313

    Absolutely. My point is both aren’t very good hitters and I think there are other players on this team that much more is expected of that should be getting some heat aside from Tejada. The SS position needs to be fixed obviously though.

  • Helloboy

    Well, that 4 man rotation ended in one day. Typical Collins. I think Katy Perry’s “Hot and Cold” song was about Collins

  • des

    Obama is screwing you and your kids with tons of debt that has to be paid back. It’s called ‘generational theft’. Your pants have been picked clean but you haven’t noticed. Sad.

  • des

    … to those who look at the Mets current W-L record, which is far better than our best hopes, it does!!