Scout Says d’Arnaud Doesn’t Look Strong, Lacking Energy

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Mets catcher Travis d’Arnaud continues to struggle and is slashing at .190/.277/.276 in 65 plate appearances this season.

Baseball Prospectus spoke to a scout who told them:

 “I haven’t liked him so far. He hasn’t looked good defensively, including allowing a bunch of passed balls. I’ve seen him miss some fastballs, almost like he has a blind spot. It’s slider bat speed and he just doesn’t look very strong. He hasn’t had a whole lot of energy either. It’s been pretty rough overall.”

it’s just one scout, but still troubling to see nonetheless.

D’Arnaud appeared to be coming out of his slump last week, making some hard contact but only finding leather instead of dirt or grass.

Normally, I wouldn’t worry about a prospect only 22 games into the season. But coming off his .548 OPS in 112 plate appearances last season, and given the fact he’s 25 and not 22, I can understand why some are concerned

It was important for d’Arnaud to hit the ground running, but that hasn’t happened yet for the California native.

He looks comfortable at the plate, but this is a results oriented game and so far his numbers are far removed from what most were expecting. His extra-base-hit percentage is at a woeful 3.9% in 177 PAs since his debut last season.

It’s still too early to start hitting the panic button, but needless to say d’Arnaud is becoming a concern.

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  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Trade him with Gee or Niese for a SS por favor.

  • HarveyKsYou

    Typical mets. Both him and Wheeler have not impressed scouts.

  • Helloboy

    Why are half the stories here things directly commenting on something just posted on metsblog?

  • It’s too early to panic but it may not be too early to give Recker a few extra games here and there just for the heck of it.

  • sperry

    Maybe he just won’t work out. He wouldn’t be the first and he won’t be the last. I know the youth movement has made us all really excited, but not all of these guys are going to be a success.

    He may just be a slow starter. Or he may be a bust. In a world where only 50% of first round draft picks even make the majors, nothing should be a surprise.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    Ah, anonymous single sources. The perfect source for definitive proclamations.

  • Because most team sites use Google Alerts to tell us whenever a new article mentions the Mets. Does that answer your question?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    But we gave up Dickey! DICKEY!!!

  • shouldaswung

    TDA has looked better since a rough start, and suffers from a low BABIP. If we lower our expectations from Posey-Piazza to Russell Martin-Jason Varitek, TDA will probably reach that level in a year or so.

  • I should add, that at least on MMO 50% of our articles are original and out of the box. It separates us from the pack.

  • Hotstreak

    Yes we have to let the sample size validate what we see (in a blink). Hey you never know but maybe your gut feeling already tells you. Great tag play but even WP are blockable which are not in his instincts to stop. It’s a reflex thing. Framing is great but I do not think Wheeler likes to pitch to him. As for his hitting it will get better but better is .250/330/.750 or 15 hrs 20 doubles and 55 RBI’s with so so defense but great framing. Games played 110 per year.That’s TdA ceiling not floor.

  • I wonder how much this scout is being paid to notice that a young guy, that is completely underperforming by absolutely any measure, is underperforming.

  • shouldaswung

    TDA and Niese would be overkill for most of the SS options that are being mentioned as trade possibilities. Also, Arizona and Seattle don’t seem to have a need for TDA. What are you thinking? (just curious, not attacking)

  • Since he started the season going 0-5 games, he’s hitting .263 with a .333 OBP over the last 13 games he appeared in with a low .263 BABIP.
    He’s hitting the ball with authority over the past week or 2 – just not having them fall in. TDA is the least of our concerns.

  • Alex68

    #JohnnyBench

    This is why you don’t put ALL your eggs in prospects baskets.. his struggles are starting to look even bigger than what it’s supposed to be because Sandy and co put this kid in the worst position possible, to try and be the savior of the franchise offensively. usually, prospects struggle when they get this type of pressure from the get go.
    I said this about wheeler and TDA as well, you can’t put this type of pressure and expectations on rookies like that, they’re bound to feel the pressure and not do as well as expected.
    I hope he turns it around, but so far he’s not looking good and others are starting to notice, soon 100 PA become 200, then 500 then 1000 and he still hitting below 200…

  • SaberMets

    amen brother! Besides, we have no idea when this source made this comment. It could have been two weeks ago and I would have agreed with him.

  • muskytoes

    It’s a Travis d’ of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a Travis d’ of two mockeries of a sham.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bphR-6Xi1_I

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Arizona wanted catching in a SS trade. No reason to not offer up TDA. More so for Owings, not so much DiDi. But maybe there’s something else somewhere.

  • NewYorkMammoths

  • Destry

    Our starters have a sub 2.00 Era last time through the rotation. Im pretty sure he is just fine defensively. Not to mention he has eliminated the opposition run game.

  • Guys this is fresh from today. Everyday BP speaks to scouts and does a post called what scouts are saying..

    This isn’t some obscure source,

    Baseball Prospectus is powered by scouts and year after year is considered the most respected and prestigious baseball site there is. Many MLB front office people and scouts comprise their staff.

  • MikeBedlam

    Scouts say lots of things. Some of those things are right. A lot of those things are wrong. It’s the nature of the business.

    When you throw poo at the wall, you hope it will stick. In this game, if it sticks, you make a name for yourself. Therefore it behooves the player to throw as much poo as possible to have a chance to win.

    Travis has more responsibility than any other player on the field. All he needs is time.

  • I’m not defending TdA but according to ESPN he has only 1 passed ball. Is this guy saying balls are getting by that are not counting as passed balls? Since when is 1, a bunch of passed balls? Is he including Spring Training? These anonymous scouts are annoying.

  • Alex68

    and of course, SL will say things like:

    aside him going 0-15 as if it didn’t happen
    Point to him hitting 250 over that span and say that’s awesome, because, of course they have low expectations when it comes to anything sandy yet they’ll celebrate it
    say he’s not a concern.
    It’s early (yet if he was on fire they’d shove him down our throats along with sandy)
    I mean, it’s amazing what these SL do…

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    Not a good article. I mean if you actually watch the games you can tell he’s hitting a lot better, just having bad luck. And his defense has been pretty good, he calls a good game and has shown a strong arm.

    He will be fine

  • shouldaswung

    Maybe Baltimore would move Wieters and Hardy for Niese, TDA, and Flores/Murphy. Wieters and Hardy would have to agree to extensions beforehand though (unlikely), and Baltimore might just want to sit pat and try to contend with those two.

    For us:

    Wieters plays C and becomes a middle-of-the-order bat who hits switch. Hardy shores up SS and provides RH pop behind Granderson/Wieters/Duda. Murphy or Flores (whoever stays), mans 2B.

    For Baltimore:

    TDA plays C, Niese helps Baltimore’s weak SP, and Flores/Murphy play 3B, allowing Schoop to be the full time 2B.

    I doubt this would happen, but it is a remote possibility.

  • MikeBedlam

    Agreed. His defensive stats aren’t exactly “great”, but he has no glaring statistical defensive flaws. Not to mention the fact that he “looks” fine back there.

  • CJM

    So Joe D, you’re not normally concerned about a prospect with 22 games (65 PAs), but because he’s amassed a whopping 177 career PAs including last year, there’s now cause for concern? As you wrote, he’s been making some hard contact at times and finding gloves with that hard contact. His babip this year is .213 and he hasn’t struck out much at all. He has not looked great by any means, but he has looked better over the last couple weeks than he did all last year and at the beginning of this year. That is showing signs. We just need to hope it continues. As for the defense? That seems a little more concerning.

    BTW, it is not uncommon for catchers to develop slowly. You point out his age. For an interesting comparison, especially for people concerned about d’Arnaud’s age, I suggest you look at Jonathan Lucroy’s baseball-reference page. Suffice it to say, if TdA’s career follows a similar trajectory to Lucroy’s, the Mets would be set at catcher for the foreseeable future.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Eh, we can nab Hardy on the open market and we also have Plawecki behind TDA.

  • …though his dWAR is -0.3 which is worst in the majors.

  • TJ

    Joe D.,
    No, he hasn’t looked great, but he clearly needs more time. The sample size is just too small. And, in baseball years he is more like 23.5. He certainly can still flame out, but he can also settle in. NYC is a tough place to cut your teeth as well. Give him 5 of every 7 games and let’s see where he is at the All Star break.

  • MyasDaddy

    My favorite argument in the whole world about Catchers defense. He isn’t Jorge “Olay” Posada back there. Where everything gets past him. He has a good arm, and what’s more important than everything else is how he relates to the pitching staff. I see the Mets pitching doing really well these first 22 games. Obviously, he has something to do with it, because he is calling a good game, and the pitchers like pitching to him. The catcher’s most important job is to be on the same page with his pitcher. The pitching staff has performed admirably since he has been the starting catcher. No complaints here.

  • Carl

    Would like to point outthe Mets are 12 – 10, in second place and if the season ended today, would make the play-offs.

    Just sayin.

  • Hodges14

    Doesn’t matter what he is like.. he’s 25 years old. This is the first time he was able to make a major league roster out of spring training. Maybe he’s been overhyped.

  • AlexHZ

    This is absolutely crazy. Yeah, lets trade him like we traded Carlos Gomez, that worked out awesome. Have some patience people. This isnt a video game, sometimes it takes time for prospects to DEVELOP.

  • CJM

    Second time he was able to make a major league roster out of ST, to be fair. By all accounts, he appeared to be big league ready after 2013’s ST, but he was held down for other reasons.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    When that trade went down, some said d’Arnaud was the centerpiece, not Syndergaard. But Sandy wasn’t even sure he’d make the OD roster that season.

    “I just don’t want to rule anything out,” Alderson said. “But at the same time, I don’t want to create false expectations for our fans or put pressure on Travis.

    “Understand he’s only a prospect. Understand he has not done anything at the major league level. But given his ceiling, given his position and given what we think he can do not just long term for the Mets — near term, medium term — we think he can be a difference-maker.”

    None of that sounds like Johnny Bench-level hype to me. Sounds like the usual things people say about “top prospects,” a label, mind you, given by fans and scouts, not teams.

  • shouldaswung

    Hardy is going to be out of our price range, and Plawecki is only a solid mid-level prospect. Wieters is a superior player and would provide immediate offense (Hardy too), which was my point in making the trade.

  • Hotstreak

    They are stoppable WP some could have gone either way i.e. pass ball or WP.

  • Some of you need to stop being so sensitive when a little bit of criticism is made toward a Mets player. Lets be objective.

    BP isn’t saying he’s a bust they shared a quote which you can agree or disagree with. It’s not the end of the world.

    You have eyes and a brain and you can use them to form your own opinions.

    I am concerned just as Sandy Alderson said he’s concerned on more than a few occasions.

  • Hodges14

    Fact is John Buck was on the roster and 24 year old TDA was sent packing to the minors.

  • CJM

    Yes, and essentially everyone believed d’Arnaud was actually better.

  • MyasDaddy

    Because of salary implications.

  • Hotstreak

    Yes and when I questioned his defense they (anti CORE) thought I was doing it because I was trying to demean SA.

  • Hodges14

    He’s 25 years old. At what age are you no longer a prospect?

  • HawkZon

    I’m not impressed with Wheeler, every time I hear a hypothetical trade which includes Thor, I think, I’d much rather trade Wheeler.
    TD, a small guy, who is not hitting.

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    Should be a red flag when Alex is the only one agreeing with you

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    Using the age game with Travis is alittle unfair due to his injuries

  • Anthony

    The kid has alot of responsibility riding on his shoulders. A little patience is in order. Lets give it til june before we hammer the guy

  • muskytoes

    “TDA is the least of our concerns.”

    I wouldn’t go that far. He started off a disaster this season (after his horrible September showing last year). It’s a relief that he’s upped his game to acceptably mediocre for 13 games, but he still hasn’t proven a thing or even given the slightest glimpse of the promise of his previously hyped expectations.

  • Hodges14

    I agree with him. It’s very concerning that a 25 year old supposed top prospect is struggling again this season after showing nothing last season. I’m not saying he’s a bust, time will tell. But there is definite reason for concern.

  • Taskmaster4450

    130 big league ABs or 50 IP and no longer a prospect.

    Age has nothing to do with it.

    TdA is no longer a prospect.

  • Helloboy

    Just wondering. ty. I love MMO, hence why i am here 🙂

  • I can understand how this might be confusing to a Sandy Hater because you guys, without exception, make bags of hammers feel good about themselves.
    To others, it is encouraging that his awful start can probably be attributed to nerves and too much pressure on himself as he has not approached that futility in the 13 games since. He is also takong much better swings and making far better contact.
    Stop saying “Sandy Lovers”. They don’t exist. Say “people smarter than me” because they most certainly do

  • Hotstreak

    There were two WP’s the first could have gone either way. I disagree on the second WP which was inside to a lefty and away but stoppable. TdA got blocked out by the batter on the walkoff WP which was the last we seen of Famila.

  • CJM

    Criticism is fine. There is certainly cause to be critical of TdA. But if you want to be objective, there are also several causes for optimism, regarding TdA and what he’s done this season, although those causes for optimism could turn out to be nothing.

  • So you disagree with my concern? You’re happy and content? I’m happy for your happiness. But please stop trying to pigeon hole me and then say something immature like that.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I recall you getting upset when people did the same thing to Flores.

    Why the double standard?

  • Hodges14

    Not sure I agree with that but he’s past that threshold anyway.

  • Hodges14

    He was healthy last spring and couldn’t make the roster ahead of John Buck. Maybe everyone is expecting too much from him.

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    It’s just odd timing don’t you think? He’s been playing well lately just running into bad luck.

    Makes me think this professional amazing scout is either stupid or hasn’t been paying attention that closely, maybe just reading box scores

  • That’s why he have threads. mention your reasons for optimism. I did. I said he’s been making hard contact since last week. What other optimism are you glowing with?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Look up what qualifies one as a prospect.

  • Hodges14

    Based on what we’ve seen since then maybe there were other reasons.

  • mattbalasis

    Catchers not named Mauer take forever to develop … remember what they were saying about Wieters? Look at him now.

  • Anthony

    I will be the first to pile on.i dont think we have seen enough of him to honestly judge

  • Helloboy

    he has been hitting better. Plus, it is still April. Some guys are always slow starters. He is also seeing many of these pitchers for the first time.

  • Hotstreak

    See if you can get a replay then we can “subject to further review” 🙂

  • Who is judging? Point out where I judged?

  • Hodges14

    You are referring to rookie status. It’s not the same thing as being a prospect. Not every minor league player is a prospect.

  • Anthony

    Im referencing the unnamed scout

  • Hodges14

    Yeah, Johnny Bench sure took a long time.

  • Hodges14

    I think it’s concerning. That’s all. They don’t have any better options so he’s going to continue to get a chance to turn it around.

  • Sorry, Anthony we have some here acting like I just threw d’Arnaud under the bus, and I did no such thing.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I wonder what kind of a line this kid would have RIGHT NOW to be hitting for everyone to be satisfied.

  • Anthony

    No prob

  • Jakal42400

    “I haven’t liked him so far. He hasn’t looked good defensively…..Hmmm??? I’m not going to bank on one play and make that my case, but that swipe tag was a thing of beauty, that I don’t think I have ever seen when a runner was actually passed the catcher. Keith isn’t the end all be all on critiquing swings, but I think most of us can agree that his analysis is pretty accurate most of the time, and has stated he likes his swings. I admit TdA looked a little overwhelmed last year, but I don’t get that feeling this year. Raising a batting average after starting 0-15 to about .200 does mean he has been productive in his last 50.

  • MyasDaddy

    Based on the Wilpons track record, it was definitely due to salary implications.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Isnt that a bit of a stretch?

    Bench is in the HOF and one of the best catchers ever. To expect every catching prospect to come up and start hitting right away isnt practical.

    Perhaps look at guys like Molina who also took a number of years to develop.

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    Don’t call me immature for disagreeing with you. I already stated my reasons why I don’t like this article. I know for a fact you watch every/ almost every mets game , yet you still agree with this scout who clearly is talking about something he knows nothing or very little about .

  • Taskmaster4450

    .350/5HR/25RBIs at this point in the season.

    And even then a few would complain he wasnt doing enough.

  • Hodges14

    The comment was:

    Catchers not named Mauer take forever to develop

    That’s just not true. If you want a more recent example then Buster Posey. Traditionally catchers have established themselves before age 25.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Are you being serious about that being the line? Haha

  • Matlack

    Offensively, the numbers look bad, though his babip is low. That should even out over time. I like how he’s been swinging the bat lately, and his defense looks good to me. I respect the opinion of this scout, although it might help if we knew how he felt about Travis over the years, to perhaps add some context.

  • CJM

    I mentioned them in a post below. He’s not striking out, his babip is low. That indicates that his offensive numbers should continue to improve as the season goes on.

    On a personal level, I don’t even think I’ll be too, too concerned even if he sucks all year. His progression might just be slower.

    I mentioned Jonathan Lucroy, and by no means am I saying this should be taken in any context other than it’s interesting, but look at his baseball-reference page to see a catcher who took a while to get it going.

    Age 24 season (rookie year), 297 PAs: .253/.300/.329 OPS+ 70
    Age 25 season, 468 PAs: .265/.313/.391 OPS+ 90
    Age 26 season, 346 PAs: .320/.368/.513 OPS+ 132

    He didn’t really “find it” until he was 26 years old. Lucroy followed his age 26 season with a very solid 2013, with production that any team would take at catcher. So for the people concerned with d’Arnaud’s age, I think it’s important to realize that 1) catchers tend to take longer to develop and 2) there have been many catchers who “found it” after a while in the big leagues. So imo, even if he has an entire bad season, I still think it’d be jumping the gun to call him a bust.

    All that being said, I think his defense is by far more concerning than his bat, if we’re gonna be concerned about anything.

  • Sunshine

    The curse of Ike Davis…

  • Helloboy

    In other news, Murphy is back hitting 4 with Duda 6 again…

  • Where did I say I agreed with the scout? I said dont hit the panic button! That for now this is nothing more than a concern. You keep an eye on it and hope it’s not concern anymore by the ASB. What is so disagreeable about that?

  • MyasDaddy

    FAIL!

  • mattbalasis

    They all do, except for a very select few. It probably has something do do with the learning curve, calling a game & the difficulty of the position defensively at the major league level. You almost never see a young catcher hit the ground running.

  • Hodges14

    Apparently you’re not allowed to be concerned that your “can’t miss” catcher is hitting under .200 with a .553 OPS.

  • EzRider

    I will a little bit then. From what i’ve seen out of the kid he just really looks overwhelmed and at times overmatched. I still think he has talent but it could be getting close to giving him an extended break. As i’ve said before i’m fully confident in Recker on a 75/25 split.

    I also would not be entirerly displeased if the Mets shipped him and Montero to the D’backs for Owings plus something else.

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    C’mon man you know he had no chance of winning that with bucks contract.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Who cares!? We have Plawecki Power!

  • Hotstreak

    Thanks Teddy.

  • Taskmaster4450

    The one thing I will take exception to with what the scout wrote is regarding TdA’s defense. Part of the problem with the missed balls is that Met pitchers can miss their target by 4 feet. More than once TdA was set up inside to a RHH and the pitchers launched a pitch in the other batter’s box.

  • I’m not that worried about his defense to be honest. It could be the byproduct of the offense. And yes, many a catcher are late in developing.

    How many at-bats before you become concerned? Not panic button, just concerned. We each have different thresholds, what’s yours?

  • Taskmaster4450

    In other other news, Burkhardt is leaving SNY after this season.

  • Sunshine

    TDA was never going to “save the franchise”..he was labeled the top catching prospect. Which doesn’t mean Messiah of the Offense as a good offensive season for a catcher can be .260 15HR 70 RBI

  • muskytoes

    TDA could do that in Vegas. He’s a stud there (like many).

  • AlexHZ

    wow lol

  • MyasDaddy

    I will settle this argument once and for all. TdA or Thole? I rest my case

  • Taskmaster4450

    You forgot Nickeas.

  • AlexHZ

    When is Lagares due back? Any updates on him?

  • Hodges14

    Buster Posey, Joe Mauer, Ivan Rodriguez was a 5 time allstar and had 5 gold gloves before he started his age 25 season.Gary Carter was an allstar at age 21. Catchers being established at a young age is not out of the norm.

  • CJM

    If he is still failing to produce through ~May/June of 2015, I’d grow very concerned. But like I said, I won’t be concerned even if he flops this entire season, which I honestly don’t think he will.

  • Monix

    Wieters hit .235 last year and will cost 10x what TDA will. How about letting a young player develop first before reverting back to the same stupidity that put the Mets in the situation that they’re trying to get themselves out of.

  • But I never even said I was concerned, only that it’s becoming a concern. I’m seeing all these emotional outbursts, but in the end this is a post about something ONE scout said and a forum to discuss TDA amongst ourselves.

  • CJM

    Dumb, dumb, dumb.

  • Hodges14

    Anyone who played in the Mets minor league system, whether they are homegrown or not, is automatically destined for the hall of fame.

  • Jim Windolf

    I don’t like d’Arnaud’s lazy target. He holds the mitt facing the dirt when the pitcher winds instead of setting a wide-open, steady target in the manner of the Molina brothers.

  • mad met

    We can cry about tda or Rubin or who ever the real problem still stands we do not have a cleanup hitter to stretch out the offense and until we get one the same problems will keep adding

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Interestingly, since the trade, Pittsburgh’s record is 1-5. Could there be a curse that travels with Ike Davis?

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    That last sentence.. Ouch

  • I would say our projection of .260, 19 home runs, 28 doubles, and an OPS over .650 with good defense would be a success story. You?

  • AlexHZ

    Plus Lucroy didn’t have to deal with freak injuries that derailed his development(at least i dont think so). and playing in NYC.

  • CJM

    Playing in NYC is a weak excuse, imo. The injuries are another thing.

  • Monix

    Is it the same scout who Martino quoted of saying Farnsworth is finished. How’d that work out for that scout?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    At the end of the season, absolutely. I just mean right now on April 25.

  • CJM

    Nor is it out of the norm for catchers to take longer to develop.

  • EzRider

    Well i’ve never sung the praises of d’Arnaud so forgive me of my opinion. Am i proclaiming Recker as the future solution? NO. Do i think d’Arnaud is? I totally need to see some movement in that direction because outside of the possible breakout i ‘m mostly seeing regression. While Owings could be a possible long term SS solution and the other piece/pieces could and should make our team better for the short and long run. I’m not saying we give them away but at the very least attempt to make a well informed and positive move for the future.

  • MyasDaddy

    And the Mets are 4-3. Go figure

  • Hotstreak
  • CJM

    I think you’re selling him short. I’d like to see an OPS around .700. If he can do that and remain healthy and play fine defense, he’d automatically be on the threshold of top-10 catchers in MLB.

  • CJM

    It’s actually The Curse of the Wambino.

  • Monix

    The scout said he was finished in Spring Training. I wasn’t talking about Thursday night.

    1 shaky outing and now you say he doesn’t look good. Geez, I think we should DFA him since Teddy Klein says he didn’t look good one night so far this year.

  • The-rock-man

    Play Recker a little more often, aren’t we 5 – 0 when he plays?

  • MyasDaddy

    Or the curse of Mr. Blinks.

  • jason bay

    He does seem like a low energy sort but we got a glimpse into his mindset the other day when he said he was still shaking over that play at the plate.

    That shows me that he’s not relaxed and playing free and baseball is not a game you can play that way.

    I expect that he will settle in and the game will start slowing down and he’ll start having more success as time goes on.

  • Matlack

    2013 Russell Martin numbers and I’m satisfied for this year.

  • markr

    If that something else is Goldschmidt then OK.

  • muskytoes

    We’re 7-0 in games he’s had a plate appearance.

  • Vin

    Lots of comments on this under another article. Sorry, forgot who, but someone pointed out to me he’s been following Travis for sometime and, to paraphrase, he basically agrees with the scout – the MLB version of Travis isn’t what the MiLB version was. So then what’s wrong? Is it physical? I don’t think so.

    I see a guy with a quick bat who is just, mostly, under the ball and who shows strength when he does make contact. He also made the nicest defensive play I’ve seen by a Met catcher in some time with that tag, and no one argues with his framing.

    So, if anything worries me about him, it’s his emotional control. The guy looks stoic, but the way he described being part of that relay – “my heart is still beating fast” and “I can’t believe I witnessed that”, was too – Do I really belong here? – for my liking.

    But I think the guy will be more than fine in a few weeks. A couple of big hits, etc., and he’ll be fine.

  • Hotstreak

    Based on review no clear cut determination. But as you mentioned Yadier Molina could have blocked it as for others I do not know. However TdA did not. I still blame him because it was the 2nd WP and the first was definitely stoppable (could have been called passed ball).

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Maybe he’s not used to getting thrown under the bus by anonymous scouts and destroyed by fans after 177 PAs.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Is he going to give the FO a reason?

  • Vin

    Ahh, yes, Met hazing at it’s best. Well, Wright got it directly from ownership, but Travis is still new.

  • CyYout

    Relax, everyone. The kid is already showing improvement. He still has the raw tools and seems willing to work hard. To me, he doesn’t look overwhelmed, just not quite settled in just yet. As a reminder, Molina hit .216 in his third year (second full year) in 2006 and despite my best efforts very clearly remember his team going to the World Series that season. We’ll be getting more than is needed from the position going forward.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    “Now look Travis, we’re going to need you to hit .300 the rest of the way. If not, well, let’s just say there will be some anonymous ‘reports’ and what we call ‘leaks’ here and well, you get the idea, alright my man? Have a good game!”

  • shouldaswung

    Wieters is unquestionably a top 6 catcher. Hardy is the same at SS. How about having the common sense to understand that proposing a trade of surplus talent and prospects for 2 all star performers would benefit the team?

    We have enough cheap players already. The payroll is under $80 million and adding 2 players to bring it to $100 million (beacuse you subtract Niese’s $) is not irresponsible.

    I have no issue with TDA, by the way. I just proposed a trade that would benefit the Mets AFTER a trade was mentioned involving TDA.

  • TPT

    you just may be right on that one

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    “I’m coming for you, Travis!”

  • Hotstreak

    He did not jump up to reach it. Not longer reach but instinct to jump up. He was still in his squat position at a pivotal game on the line moment. Where was the instinct to stop the damage? Damage being the loss of the game.

  • KEITH

    U think Colon has any roids left? It’s a joke. Seriously though, the kid is kinda small.

  • BigAl831

    I actually don’t hate that right now.

    Murphy gives Wright the best protection and Murph has shown time and time again to be a pretty reliable RBI, RISP, 2 out type guy. Could be our Allen Craig type 4 hitter?

    I do think eventually Duda takes over in the 4th spot though. I even wondered about having Wright, Murphy, Duda 2,3,4.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    He kind of looks like David Wright combined with Sean Hayes.

  • Hotstreak

    I do not see catchers interference as the batter did not swing. As for jumping up its instinctive for most players but he did not. Teddy we can agree to disagree.

  • TPT

    i hope your right JB..i think playing on a bad hitting team where your bat is of up most importance and no ones is hitting to take the pressure of him as well as. playing in the media capital of the world has gotten to him pressure wise… so i hope your right i hope he slows it down…

  • Waz0787

    Steriods son.

  • Waz0787

    Troll

  • Waz0787

    The name is an insult to Alex

  • CJM

    Duda has more power and a better on base ability than Murph. How exactly does Murph give Wright more protection?

  • Hotstreak

    I do not see catchers interference. Was the bases loaded I forgot. He scored because of the WP. If TdA caught the ball and catchers interference was ruled (I do not see how but going with your point) would that mean the end of the game.

  • Hotstreak

    I see your point it was a walkoff because of HBP and not a WP. But this is the first time it is mentioned. Even before you were arguing no one can catch the ball three feet away.

  • Hotstreak

    Good dialogue 🙂

  • Chuck

    You mean it’s not “out of the norm” for all-star catchers and future HOF’ers to become “established at a young age.” But it is certainly NOT the norm for the *vast* majority of good to above average catchers. And I would be happy with a good catcher. Not everyone can be a Piazza. If they all could, what would be special about the Poseys and Piazzas and Benchs and Berras?

  • Hotstreak

    Just the opposite. The one good thing that TdA has shown is framing.

    http://www.amazinavenue.com/2013/9/16/4726318/new-york-mets-travis-darnaud-pitch-framing-catcher

  • jason bay

    You and me both TPT.

  • Anthony

    Lack of energy may stem from putting up wilt chamberlain numbers after the game

  • Opti-Mets-tic

    Doesn’t part (not all, but part) of the pitching success also belong to him? He’s not hitting alot, but there is a whole lot more that he’s working on, than just hitting, and blocking wild pitches. It seems to me that his entire game is slowly improving, a testament to the obvious work he is putting in.

  • jason bay

    Johnson and Shopach

    Barrajas and Santos

    Paulino, Castro, Cassanova, Cancel

    Schneider and Sandy Alomar Jr.

    Lo Duca, Gus Molina, Blanco

    Man it’s been a mess here since Piazza left.

    The Wilpon Method.

  • Hotstreak

    Thor makes it a great deal but let’s see him up here and evaluate then.

  • Hotstreak

    Please provide a link as I would like to read it and find out where he is going.

  • Monix

    Hardy and Wieters would be a bad allocation of money. They’re not winning players and they’re too streaky. Whatever contract Wieters gets will be a gross overpay as he hit .235 in the AL and .240 something the year before that.
    Hardy, meanwhile, has been injury prone.

  • Hotstreak

    I originally had 18 hrs but reduced it to 15 and gave him 20 doubles on only 110 games played. He is not durable and this low energy stuff does not bode well. I actually gave him an OPS of .750 based on an OBP of .330 to go with his .250 BA. See with a blink of an eye we both sized him up.

  • Fonzie

    Well you know Met fans. If you don’t come out of the minors and perform like Doc, Wright and Harvey then you must suck. This is NY, you should hit the ground running here cause fans demand it.

  • William Martin

    OK, Lets all panic!!!! It’s the end of April after all! He’s a rookie kid that’s figuring it out. I’ll agree that when he walks to the plate he often looks like he’s following Dad to the woodshed, but this isn’t exactly the end of the world. Can we get some info on Darryl’s first month and a half in the bigs? Wasn’t pretty either. Can you at least wait until, I dunno, Cinco de Mayo before grabbing for the life vest???

  • William Martin

    Excellent point.

  • shouldaswung

    Wieters has also averaged 22 HR and 77 RBI over the past 3 years while playing GG defense.

    Winning players? What does that mean? Baltimore has averaged 89 wins over the past 2 years with Wieters and Hardy being a big part of that. Multiple Gold Gloves and All Star appearances would seem to contradict your opinion.

    Streaky? Somewhat, to the extent that MOST MLB players are.

    The contract for Wieters will be high, true. Gross overpay? Probably not. He is a TOP SIX CATCHER, in his PRIME.

    Hardy has had some injuries in his career, true. He would have to be offered a shorter term contract with less risk.

    Again, if the Mets were able to pull off a Niese, TDA, Flores trade to Baltimore for Wieters and Hardy, with contract extensions, it would have a HUGE impact on our playoff outlook IMMEDIATELY.

    And, the allocation of funds is suspect already. Wieters and Hardy should EASILY be able to fit into a normal budget.

  • William Martin

    AMEN!

  • Hotstreak

    TdA they say small sample size. The same with Mets record for playoffs.

  • William Martin

    6′ 2″ is small???

  • William Martin

    So you’re saying he’s a kid with raw tools that needs to grow into the league? Pfft… who has time for that?! 😉 Well said, Vin! 🙂

  • Monix

    There’s so many better players in the league to build around. If you’re going to spend big bucks, you have to spend it wiser than those two guys. An injury prone SS that couldn’t produce in Minnesota and a catcher that hits below .240 in the AL with a lineup that includes Crush Davis, Adam Jones, now Cruz, etc etc. How do you think Wieters would do in the NL within a weaker lineup? And if Hardy could only hit 6 homers in Minnesota isn’t he a likely candidate to have a major power outage at CIti Field too?

  • SRT

    One scouts opinion of Harvey:
    ‘”Pelfrey without the split or breaking ball”

    It’s one anonymous scout’s opinion, right?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    No mention of last years buck/decker/TDA combo ?
    How about this years stellar production ?

  • mad met

    Juan did not we all love him so what your point

  • drfonta

    Wow. “abunch of passed balls” ummmmm that would be exactly ONE. d’Arnaud’s D has been outstanding this year. He COULD’VE saved a few “wild pitches” which ARE NOT passed balls for sure but the Mets pitching staff has been excellent and part of that credit goes to the catcher who is also one of the best at framing pitches. He’s been hitting the ball hard all year and is now finally getting results. I find it humorous that those that profess to be professionals in scouting pro baseball appear to know less than those of us that are mere fans…Hilarious…

  • elcorazon86

    Nobody is hitting on the Mets and we are worried about d’Arnaud? Has this scout seen every game the Mets have played? I actually think d’Arnaud has looked good defensively. Rookie catcher, who is running the pitching staff. Bat is coming around. I compare d’Arnaud to Devin Mesoraco from the Reds. Looks at his stats the first couple of years he was in the league. Mesoraco was the highest rated catcher in the minors, even higher than d’Arnaud, and he has not done much. Let him play.

  • drfonta

    That game saving tag in the ninth inning the other night certainly didn’t lack energy. Of course having Tejada behind you in the lineup means he’s got LOTS of protection…insert sarcasm…

  • mad met

    Bambi cant bat cleanup

  • jaygreen55

    Every relief pitcher has nights when they just don’t have it. Farnsworth had been lights out until yesterday
    Don’t jump to conclusions based on one appearance

  • shouldaswung

    Do you disagree that Wieters and Hardy are top six at their respective positions in baseball? Because if you do disagree, we really won’t have a common ground of factual agreement to build a conversation around.

    Also, why keep mentioning Wieter’s batting average? His other numbers range from average to all-star level at his position.

    Hardy’s value doesn’t only include HR, but taking a half season in Minnesota where he hit 6 HR is so cherry picking that it makes a fair debate impossible.

    How about the fact that Hardy has 5 seasons with at least 500 at bats. In those 5 seasons, he has hit 26, 24, 30, 22, and 25 HR. The last 3 were AFTER he left Minnesota, where injuries affected his performance.

    Let’s just agree to disagree. Have a good weekend Monix

  • muskytoes

    Maybe that’s the guy Harvey was giving the middle finger to.

  • Judge Holden

    Amen, Fonzie. Making a MLB team is the opportunity of a lifetime and what he’s work towards much of his young life. Man up, grab your nuts and hit the freakin’ ball, Travis!!!!!!!

  • Destry

    TDA has struck 9 times this season. If he has slider bat speed, what sort of bat speed does the rest of our team have?

  • JamesWS

    Maybe we should bat d’Arnaud in front of Granderson so he can get some protection.

  • Destry

    He has looked good. Anyone can look at his stats and say he isn’t good, but the fact is, he has hit the ball harder than anyone on our team this season. He’s hit 2 balls 400 ft that were caught at the warning track, and he’s hit at least 4 rockets right into someones glove. He is making solid contact and only struck out 9 times on the season. Our SPs are dominating, thanks in no small part to TDA, and he’s thrown out practically everyone that has tried to steal.

  • BigAl831

    Runners on base, I would rather face Duda 100 percent of the time. Either way I like Murph, Duda 4-5. Doesn’t matter which way. Don’t really have a preference but I don’t mind tonight’s lineup.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Question: Why is everyone so quick to defend Travis d’Arnaud and tell others whom are critical of him that its TOO EARLY to judge him, YET some of these same people are on the other thread saying Familia[whom has only seen all of what? 4innings] should be sent to the minors and/or just receive mop up duty???

    I’m curious???

  • BigAl831

    Career splits:

    RISP .725 OPS .825 OPS
    Men on .735 OPS .759 OPS

    That’s something.

  • Fonzie

    Doesn’t it amaze you how so many Met fans just never learn from the same dumb past mistakes? It boggles the mind.

  • Ron

    D’Arnaud looks fine so far tonight vs the Marlins.

  • Fonzie

    Wieters is an excellent defensive catcher but offensively he’s average. His career OPS+ is 101. He plays in a bandbox which is why he hits 20+ HR’s. With Boras as his agent he’s going to look to cash in on a 100 million dollar deal. You don’t give out that type of money to players with an OPS+ of 101. Hardy can be signed as a free agent. Why give up anything for him. If you think JJ Hardy is going to come to the Mets and hit more than 10 HR’s at Citifield then you’re going to be greatly disappointed. His career OPS+ is 95. Okay player but not a difference maker.

  • jdon48

    what? being protected by Ruben Tejada is not an advantage?

  • Why can’t we just be patient and allow time for a player to either develop or flame out?
    I realize this is NY but other teams would run him out there for two years before they even think of making a decision on such a highly ranked guy. We want to do it yesterday.

  • shouldaswung

    You and Monix seem to have reading comprehension issues. That’s ok, I won’t take offense.

  • ted

    overated,case closed

  • Leave the kid be. Catcher is probably the position with the LEAST expectations for a hitter. I mean the kid could hit .250 and be above average. He will be fine. He’s not a complete product yet. Also don’t discount all the games he’s missed slowing his development. Carry on.

  • NYM86

    The passed balls sort of frustrate me. Always seem to happen with runners on late in games.

  • Martin

    He frames the ball beautifully.

  • Des

    Give us bat speed numbers, not bat speed BS.

  • drfonta

    He has exactly ONE passed ball this year…Lots of wild pitches….He could be better at some of those, and I think he will be, but the fault is on the pitcher too…that’s how the official scorer sees it…

  • Mike

    One anonymous scout? This is a rookie c who has to worry about an entire pitching staff and hit in NY! Not to mention he missed two half seasons the last two yrs. Non story

  • TDA looked pretty solid at the plate tonight as he has over the past 2 weeks. Are you sure you’ve seen him play recently, oh anonymous scout? See that tag the other night? See him squaring up balls and hitting them the other way? Didn’t think so.
    Thanks MMO for passing it along

  • because a pitcher can lose a game in an at bat… have you watched the sport?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    its funny…when anonymous scouts were comparing him to johnny bench, everyone pointed to them as reference.

    now that an anonymous scouts says something negative, scouts are no longer to be believed !

    the guy has been switched out for defense in games at least 3-4 times.

    which to me does him a disservice.

    in a rebuilding year, he has to learn from his mistakes…

    now the issue here is time.

    most folks talk about molina and weiters and the 3-4 years they took to to get their stuff together.

    molina was 21 when he started, 25 by the time he got it together.

    by the time travis is 3-4 years in, he’s 30 years old.

    this kid has a hobbit’s ceiling in terms of long term potential at catcher. he’s literally a banana peel away from being a poor man’s Mackey Sasser.

    sorry to burst your bubble…

    but i told yall first…

    Juan Centeno = The Future

    🙂

  • Just_Da_damaja

    lol or Lagares in April, who had to hit out the gate or else be benched.

    this IN SPITE of his SUPERIOR PRODUCTION last year.

    hmmmmmm

    I wonder why…

    o thats right, SCOUTS like Travis !!! Their opinion >>> production

    but wait, Now Scouts dont like Travis, Their opinion means nothing.

  • Just_Da_damaja
  • Keith’s stache

    I’m up for giving all young guys a long leash to prove what they can do. TDA & Familia are part of the young guys I’m referring to. However, it seems Collins is not willing to use Familia at all. Then the best thing for his development will be to send him to minors & let him pitch on regular basis. This will help in 2 areas, one Familia gets a chance to develop & prove that he belongs in the majors, and the bullpen gets a guy who Collins might actually use (chances are he won’t). If Familia is being given chances at the majors level, then I don’t have any problem with him being on the team.

  • I agree. TDA needs to be more brown.

  • Duffystaub

    Hasn’t looked good defensively? A bunch of passed balls? Fool.

  • drfonta

    Hilarious. When a scout says things that are not factual, like “a bunch of passed balls” he can not be taken seriously. Lacking energy? Seriously? Cmon dude, this is some pretty poor “scouting” that anybody that has watched all of the Mets games this year can easily debunk. Similar to “the guy has been switched out for defense in games at least 3-4 times.” In fact Recker has replaced d’Arnaud 3 times this year in games, and in each case it was a matter of a double switch involving the pitcher in close games. FWIW, d’Arnaud has also replaced Recker in a similar situation. Considering how little recker plays I wouldn’t say the team holds either player higher in regard to defensive ability. Furhtermore it’s a stretch to say that this was a “defensive replacement”. Does he have to get better at saving wild pitches? Sure. Is he a defensive liability? Absolutely not. In fact he’s very good back there and getting better by the day. No bubble burst here my friend. And I like Centeno and Plawecki too. C is a position we seem to have good young talent in.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    There’s a better chance he’ll turn brown than he’ll turn into Bench

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Probably because the scout saw balls that were ruled as wp that other catchers could’ve gotten.

    Most scouts not named Depo actually watch the games more than the box scores .

    Of course the fact that he’s been subbed out 4x already this year late in games is purely coincidence… Or to push the pitchers spot back ( even when there are 7 batters ahead of that spot )

    Lmao

  • drfonta

    I’m still trying to find ANY scout or report that said he would be Johnny Bench.

  • drfonta

    LMAO. Of course that HAS to be it. Forget the official scorer. Hilarious.

    For the record, Mar 31, Apr 4 and Apr 14 are the only times d’Arnaud has left a game early that he has started. On Apr 20 he replaced Recker. Facts…And very easy to look up I might add.

  • OriginalLadyMet

    I agree he is not a complete product yet… The over arching problem with our Mets for the past 3 or 4 seasons is that non complete products are HERE on the roster ,playing in the Majors ,drawing ML SALARIES , doing on the job training at the expense of results that translate into WINS. Time to be a complete team, with complete players , ready to be big leaguers NOW⚾️❗️

  • It doesn’t exist. It’s well documented the quote was said by a coach who knew Bench when he was young and said d’Arnaud looked physically like Bench when he was young. Never said anything about him being the player Bench was but never let facts get in the way.

  • it didn’t happen. It’s a strawman that JDD and Alex68 like to toss out there. JDD is just very, very bitter that a blanquito like TDA is a better baseball player than Centano.

  • I agree. But we are closer to winning than we’ve been since Richie Alderson and crew got here.

  • drfonta

    d”arnaud “lacking energy” again today. LMFAO.

  • Fonzie

    My comprehension is just fine. Your way of constructing a team is where there’s issues.

  • shouldaswung

    Yeah, still think you don’t know where I’m coming from. It’s cool, my opinion might have been too complex to convey in short conversations.

    I was trying to deal with facts and reality in a hypothetical scenario IF a certain situation was going to be pursued. Obviously, the layers were too deep for you and Monix to follow by my communication in this thread.

    It’s ok. Let’s go Mets!

  • Sunshine

    LOL

  • Sunshine

    I think there may be!!!!!!

  • METS62FAN

    SCOUTS LIKE ALL HUMANS ARE BOTH GOOD & BAD. IT SDHOULD BE NOTED THERE WASN’T ANY AFFILIATION DENOTED FOR MR. ANONYMOUS, PERHAPS HE’S ALSO KNOWN AS MR. UNDESIRED & UNEMPLOYED?

    NOW THAT I’VE POINTED OUT MY TOTAL DISAGREEMENT WITH SAID “SCOUT”; I WANT TO FOCUS ON OUR FEARLESS MMO ARTICLE WRITER, JOE D. ESPECIALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS RATHER HUMOROUS INEFFECTUAL QUIP; “It was important for d’Arnaud to hit the ground running, but that hasn’t happened yet for the California native.

    THAT CERTAINLY CLAMORS FOR THE FOLLOWUP…IMPORTANT TO WHOM?
    IMO, NOW THAT I’VE WITNESSED TRAVIS’ WHEREWITHALL ON THE BASES I’VE BECOME EVEM MORE CONVINCED WE’RE ABOUT TO deja vous ONE JOHN STEARNS. A 270 TO .280ish HITTER W/10-15 HR, 70-80 RBI CONSISTANCY EACH FULL SEASON.
    TO ME, THAT WILL SURELY SUFFICE ALONG WITH HIS DEFENSIVE CAPABILITIES
    NO, TRAVIS IS UNLIKELY TO BE A TEAM CARRIER LIKE PIAZZA, I-ROD OR EVEN THE OCCASIONAL McCANN; BUT HE WILL BE WHAT EVERY SUCCESSFUL TEAM ALWAYSEARCHES FOR AS A TOTAL & COMPLETE TEAM CONTRIBUTOR BOTH DEFENSIVLY[INCL.PITCHING STAFF MNGT] & OFFENSIVELY IN THE MIDDLE OF MOST RALLIES KEEPING THE LINE ON THE MOVE PRODUCTIVELY.
    I LOVE IT! ADDED TO THOR HE COMBINES TO BE PART OF THE BEST POSSIBLE RETURN EVER RECEIVED FOR A SINGLE SEASON PITCHING PENOM, AGED 38/39.