MMO Game Recap: Marlins 7, Mets 6

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For a moment, after a two-out, two-run single by Lucas Duda, the Mets had a 5-1 lead, Jenrry Mejia was pitching lights out, and it felt like this 13-10 start in the standings was gaining more momentum each night. If you are a Mets fan, like me, you were probably texting or phoning anyone who would listen about the ground ball machine that is Mejia and about these Mets who somehow keep winning despite a lineup that includes the ageing (or ageless) Bobby Abreu. There was some giddiness among Mets fans early in the game tonight. Deservingly so, with a 5-1 lead and a win probability based on similar score and inning context at 94%.

Then, we all remembered that we are Mets fans. Nothing could come easy. The Marlins got a home run by Giancarlo Stanton to shorten the lead to 5-3. That started the sixth inning that Mejia would never escape. He faced seven Marlins, recorded two outs, and ended up surrendering six runs. The 5-1 lead completely vanished.

The Mets showed some fight in the bottom of the sixth inning. An Omar Quintanilla single tied the game at six. The score would remain that way through solid bullpen pitching by both clubs, including another stellar performance by Dice-K, who got the final batter of the 8th, and worked in and out of trouble in the 9th.

In the first frame of extra innings, it was Jarrod Saltalamacchia who broke the tie, hitting a home run off Kyle Farnsworth to give the Marlin the 7-6 lead.

Despite a first inning home run by Bobby Abreu, a 3-0 lead, and then a 5-1 lead, the Mets lost.

Mets Marlins 4.25 WE

Key Play

I suppose it has to be the game-winning home run…

Saltalamacchia GW HR

Starter Focus

Jenrry Mejia

It looked good early. Mejia got his first three outs via ground balls. He then struck out four of his next five batters. Then everything fell apart in the sixth inning. Two extra base hits and a walk leading to six earned runs.

Mejia 4.25

Kevin Slowey

Slowey got off to a rough start, surrendering three first inning runs, including a home run to Bobby Abreu. He struck out four and walked two, surviving only four innings, before Mike Dunn took over in relief.

Slowey 4.25

Win Probability Chart courtesy of FanGraphs. Detailed pitching data courtesy of Brooks Baseball.

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  • MikePiazza3186

    awful loss leading 5-1 this one hurts

  • KEITH

    Farnsworth got aSalted!

  • My 3 Up & 3 Down…

    Up

    1. Bobby Abreu
    2. Travis d’Arnaud
    3. Omar Quintanilla

    Down

    1. Jenrry Mejia
    2. Kyle Farnsworth
    3. The Umpiring

  • CJM

    Looking for all possible silver linings, d’Arnaud’s line since his 0-15 start is now .285/.357/.408. That’s very good production from catcher.

  • Monix

    It’s all Cohen’s fault. He said to settle in and get comfortable and as soon as he said that I knew the jinx was on and Salty hit the homer.

  • Skip

    Bet you never thought you would put Q in your 3 up. He shouldn’t have been pulled. Not for Tejeda at least.

  • Skip

    Too much Salt in his diet? Too far?

  • Kevin H

    Watched the post game on SNY. Same pitch that was called ball 4 on batter after Stanton in 6th was called a strike on both Murph and Abreu in 10th. Rookie umpires….

  • JB

    The silver lining for tonight is that the starting pitching has been there, and if it was tonight, we would have won again. There will always be a few nights the starters can’t be perfect though.

  • CJM

    The umpire was poor behind the plate. Still no excuse for blowing the lead the way they did.

  • goorru

    Agreed, Farnsworth is too good to just give up a home run.

  • Kevin H

    Agreed but if ump called that pitch a strike for Mejia in the 6th, we wouldn’t have blown the lead.

  • Just listening to D’Arnaud getting interviewed, and he is so impressive. He took the blame for Mejia’s meltdown, saying he did a bad job calling pitches. I never heard a catcher take the blame like that. Love this kid.

  • He had a great night in the field, I didn’t think he had it in him. 🙂

  • Rocky Thompson

    He is quickly going to become a team leader.

  • definitely

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Wright will bust out tomorrow. He always does in day games.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    He has to get them pitching inside more

  • mets4lyfe

    Mejia 2014:

    28 1/3 IP

    3.49 ERA
    3.86 FIP
    3.38 xFIP
    9.85 K/9
    4.76 BB/9
    54.5% GB

    Not quite sure what happened to him in the 6th inning (blister or rain or both?), but he’s been good for the Mets. This start was just another bump on the road for him that he’ll have to overcome.

  • We had a stellar run with starters. We’ll start anew tomorrow. Love your recaps, Jeff….

  • Skip

    He’s been solid lately. Gotta play him, he’s not the future, but he’s playing good. Need the wins.

  • mets4lyfe

    Warthen doesn’t advocate for his pitchers to pitch inside. It has been like that ever since he took over. Gee, Niese, Parnell, Wheeler, etc. all predominantly pitch away. Harvey might be the only exception to that.

  • Rocky Thompson

    The three Las Vegas most talked about are Walters, Edgin and Black, but IMO one of Joel Carreno, Miguel Socolovich or Zack Thornton will be next reliever called up. They are throwing strikes while the more hyped guys are walking too many batters.

  • Sach

    You really can’t blame the pen. Mejia coughed up most of that 5 to 1 lead. Sometimes, you have to tip your hat to the hitter. That wasn’t a cookie Kyle threw- 95 down by the knees but as Keith would say too much plate. It’s good or sad depending on your viewpoint but probably the more Bobby A plays, the more he’s going to help the Mets.

  • Monix

    His bump in the road is called the 6th inning.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    I can see head butts coming up with Syndergaard. Noah loves to shatter sticks.

  • Name

    The more I watch that home run, the more I realize that one of Chris or Eric Young should have retrieved that. It bounced off the wall for crying out loud. They could have easially caught that hit but didn’t.

  • Ted Danson

    Gary does have a knack for that stuff as Ron alluded to.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Anybody find it very alarming that hitters are hitting .309 Vs Mejia in the 5th & .400 in the 6th? Seeing that stat before Mejia was relieved makes me wonder if Collins knows this.

  • jason bay

    If Mejia had had more development time he would likely have shrugged off the Stanton HR better. As it turns out he left Torres no margin of error and Carlos only gave up 1 hit.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah. He should be taken out after four every game. And Gee at five. That way our bullpen gets lots of work and doesn’t get bored.

  • jason bay

    Of course he does.

    Mejia has only pitched about 210 innings combined between the Majors and minors the last three years/

  • HarveyKsYou

    After the Lucas Dudas hit I was starting to think about being 14-10:( Ugh, this is just the life of a Mets fan. We need tomorrow’s game. Some of the veterans need to step up for this team, like Grandy, Wright and CY.. Aside from yesterday, we’ve been getting no offense which has made the pitchers job that much tougher. How about a laugher tomorrow in our favor? That let’s all of us associated with the mets (being fans) have a stress free afternoon.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    More development time? How many years can he spend in the minors?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Shirley, you can’t be serious.

  • BigAl831

    Not the best game to be at.

    I’m 0-2 with two heartbreaking losses this season. Opening day and tonight. Too cold too. I’m sticking with my couch from now on. Let’s take the series tomorrow and move on. LGM

  • Tonight was awful to watch unfold. But tomorrow, we can go back out, and win the series. Winning series are the best path to a good year.

  • jason bay

    What I am saying is that he hasn’t pitched all that much in the last three years, really four years. Unless you consider 300 innings all told over 4 years to be reasonable,

    That’s why he’s only been effective through 5 or 6, He hasn’t pitched enough the last four years and is building it back up while in the Majors.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    So what are they supposed to do about that?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    When mejia does something well . bay stats quiet

    When something goes wrong, he’ll point to him being brought up 4 years ago lol

    …now when wheeler unravels, bay says nothing. He’s patient.

    This is the troll game he plays with folks

  • HarveyKsYou

    I’m 2-0 for games this year and in my last nine games dating back to 2006, I’m 6-3! Two of those loses came to the Yankees (2006 and 2012)

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Hasn’t had many innings so in the long run this may be good for him. Trial by fire. He will get better.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Before yesterday ..What’s his era in the 6th innng ?

  • HarveyKsYou

    I live 5 hours away (upstate NY) from Citi Field, if you’re wondering why I’ve only made it to nine games in eight years

  • Mario Gonzalez

    I’m willing to bet he’s gonna be fine. Just needs more time pitching is all.

  • jason bay

    There is nothing that can be done about it. We need him. We certainly can’t lose him by trying to slip him through waivers and he can help us a lot BUT he has to build up his pitching stamina and there might be a downside for a while because of all the development time he has missed

  • Richard Allende

    Look the problem is terry Collins mejia was struggling mightily and for some unknown reason he decides to let him try to finish the inning. Oh and tejada a pinch hitter the guy shouldn’t even be in the bigs.

  • jason bay

    You play the TROLL here everyday.

    I didn’t say one word about Mejia being brought up for the pen in 2010.

    I clearly said that he had lost a lot of development time over the last 4 years which he has.

    Lastly Dementia, I’ve always been a big supporter of Mejia often citing his GB rates and ability to get LHB’s out. You probably just forgot.

    If anyone is trolling a starting pitcher you should check the game threads every time on Wheelers starts where it’s Troll Central.

  • mr. belvedere

    J Bay has always been a fan of Mejia since I’ve been here and on sites prior…it didn’t help with the retarded umpire’s forever moving strike zone, it cost Mejia a lot of pitches and the Murphy error, I mean the Mcgehee “hit”, that cost him a lot of pitches too

  • Just_Da_damaja

    When mejia is killing mlb hitters. Hindsight takes a vacation.
    When anything goes wrong. Hindsight comes back into play.

    Gotcha

  • KennyandtheMets

    Thoughts on this loss:

    1) Mejia just didn’t locate well enough.

    2) How does Collins double switch CY in for EY?! The Marlins have THREE LHPers in their pen. With Murphy, Abreu, and Duda in a row, that just made it too easy for the Marlins to match up left vs left.

    3) What has happened to DW vs LHPing? He has killed them his whole career.

    4) Great base running by d’Arnaud!!

    5) I really liked how Duda got aggressive with RISP. I’ve been waiting for that for a long time. He swung at all 3 pitches with 2nd and 3rd. Lo and behold, he got the big hit to drive in two.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    Very few comments–people are either really demoralized or they all have better things to do on a Saturday night

  • KennyandtheMets

    Tough loss, but at some point, you have to let your young starter try to pitch his way through trouble. Wheeler battled through trouble in the 6th last night. I blame TC for a lot of things tonight (see above) but not leaving Mejia in.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Or both. Very tough loss.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Guys,

    This is only the 24th game of the season and this one particular game cannot be used as a yardstick one way or the other but it could be a telling sign when taking into account that in winning five of our last six we had done so by scoring all of 17 runs (less than three a game) and two of our victories were aided by the shoddy fielding of Atlanta’s Ugglia and the wildness of Wacha of St. Louis. We won those games due to our brilliant pitching efforts keeping opposing bats at bay plus the opposing teams beating themselves so despite of our anemic hitting our record is 13-11 when it easily cold have been 11-13 instead.

    That is why I felt we were going to come back and win again tonight – because in addition to our pitching and defense, the other thing this club had going for it was not letting the other team off the hook and taking advantage of those miscues which caused our opponents to beat themselves

    But that is why it is also more important to look not at our won loss record but at how our team has been playing overall and to ask ourselves if we are satisfied with the type of play we’ve been seeing and confident that it continuing at this manner the next few months will lead to that of a winning baseball club.

    Though nobody expects the same outstanding pitching efforts to continue, I don’t think it is unreasonable to expect solid pitching from our starting rotation and good performances out the pen by Familia, Germen, Torres and Rice.

    But what about the other three? Valverde and now Farnsworth are showing why other teams passed up on them. Dice-k? He has looked great but we have to hope that he has found a new career in the pen and is not just on a hot streak at the moment. So with the loss of Parnell, the uncertainty by counting too much on Black and not trying to retain Hawkins, our bullpen depth is again quite shaky.

    And our offense? We are not hitting despite Travis having turned things around, David getting his average up, Murphy getting his hits and Duda getting some as well. That’s because this only represents half the lineup. Yes, Curtis is in a big slump however he is still only a .250 hitter. Chris Young is not a big bat. We do not have a hitter at short. Eric Young is not a hitter and when Juan Lagares returns he is going to get his hits but not be like the hitter he was the first two weeks of the season. And we strike out way too often which doesn’t move runners around or makes things happen more often.

    21 of our 96 runs came against Arizona, which has the worst pitching in the majors. We average an even four runs per game so far this year, which is actually the league average, however, take away those three Arizona games and we only average 3.57 runs per each of all our 21 other contests.

    We cannot expect to continue winning based on the tight pitching we’ve been getting – we would have one of the best rotations ever assembled in history if that was continued. We can hopefully expect to get solid pitching performances from our starters and good outings from at least four relievers but that will not be enough to carry us to even a .500 record. Not this year, not even next. And we do not have the potential ready yet in the farm system to possibly resolve those issues, either.

    The only answer at this point is going outside the organization and there are two ways of doing it – via a trade which means giving up players of value or going after certain free agents which would mean giving up some of the operating budget and maybe a draft pick. But it is obvious we cannot just sit back and do nothing which has been the policy due to the economic reality. This team has the makings of something – the loss of Matt Harvey for the year is no reason to think otherwise. The loss of Parnell to TJ surgery was unexpected but the possibility that he would not be as effective a pitcher might have caught us as fans off guard but was something the general manager and his people were aware of even last Fall. With that in mind, even saving a million dollars was deemed more important than having a contingency course of action for baseball evaluators understood the chances were that Black was not going to be a solution.

    And if saving a million dollars was so important, that explains why the additional moves that might have helped put the finishing touches to this team were never taken – unless one is satisfied that the way the team has been playing so far will be adequate enough for the months ahead.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Oh yeah.

    6) Can we stop throwing the fastball on the outer half to Saltalamacchia? He obviously likes it there.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I have to give Terry some slack on leaving Mejia in too long. We need to know how deep Mejia can go. His pitch count was reasonable. Hindsight is 20/20. It could be that Mejia is destined to be a set up guy or closer. Between his injury history and his struggles the 3rd time through a batting order, he might not be a starter long term. The only way to find that out is to let him try.

    My problem with TC tonight was bringing in CY for EY. The Marlins have 3 LHPers in their pen. Bringing in CY for EY early left Murphy, Abreu, and Duda lined up against all three lefties in their pen. That really hurt our chances to score in the later innings.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Is Gee pitching tomorrow?

  • KennyandtheMets

    Hey Joey. I’m too tired to read your entire post here, but I read half. Overall, I am happy with the way they are playing. I think the starting pitching will remain a strength. I am worried about the pen though. Torres and Germen have logged too many innings this early in the season. Valverde and Farnsworth don’t seem to have much left. Dice K has looked good, but he is still adjusting to the new role.

    I am more convinced then ever that this team needs to add a RH power bat. DW has no support behind him vs LHPers. BTW, David doesn’t seem to be hurting LHPing the way he has for most of his caree. CY just doesn’t look like that guy.

  • mr mojo risin

    Yes, both for me

  • willywater88

    Joey – always look forward to your comments. I think what you just analyzed would have been a great article itself.

    While I am pleased with the Mets record up to this point, I also suspect they have been the beneficiaries of some good luck. If you look at the team’s combined WAR as of yesterday, they rank in the bottom 5 in the league, yet their overall record is a few games over .500.

    On the flipside, we have been staying in games even without the middle of the lineup producing at a level we expected.

    So while we have gotten off to a fortunate start record wise, I do believe our pitching will hold up and our offense will improve.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Kenny,

    You are absolutely right. It’s not just with Mejia and letting him stay in longer. It’s with all young players when first breaking in. How does the player and the manager know how he is able to perform in the majors facing various conditions unless allowing him to sink or swim a few times to see what he can do. Even if one doesn’t do well, one can also notice something that indicates the potential is there which just needs to be worked on.

    But not allowing him that opportunity doesn’t help anyone. What could cost a ball game or two now could also result in winning more games over the course of a few seasons as well, knowing what is what.

    Even more important is what Keith Hernandez said about discouraging young hitters from swinging at certain pitches early in the count. How are they going to know whether or not they could hit them if they don’t take enough swings at them? Swinging on the first or second pitches is also quite different than swinging when having to protect the plate so hitting from a defensive standpoint and not that of being an aggressive hitter is not going to help the learning process any.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    “If Mejia had had more development time he would likely have shrugged off”

    You clearly made no mention of the words “past 4 years” in this statement.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Maybe he should’ve been allowed to throw his glove and take out his anger on the next batter ?

  • willywater88

    Taking responsibility, I like that young fella.

  • mr mojo risin

    2) There was no need for a double switch there with 4,5,6 coming up. If he wanted C Young in the game so bad, he could’ve just had him bat for Abreu to break up that LLL part of the order. However (although I would love to pin this on Collins) nobody hit at all after we had 5 runs, which was pretty sad to see

  • mr mojo risin

    nobody was wondering

  • Joey D.

    Hi Kenny,

    if you think you’re too tired to read it all, you have no idea how tired I am after writing all that stuff. Had no idea of what time it is! LOL

    Seems we’re on the same basic wavelength with CY and the pen. I like the ones carried over from last year but agree they are going to be over worked and the Valverde and Farnsworth are now showing why other teams weren’t interested in them.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Willy,

    Thanks so much for the nice words.

    Though not an advocate of stats like WAR, I’m not so proud that I would not readily accept the support from any saber stat that comes my way! LOL

    Gotta go, it’s way past my sleepy time.

  • mr mojo risin

    I hate to make excuses, but at the point in the game where Mejia was struggling it was raining pretty hard, mostly after the Stanton HR. I don’t mean to excuse him entirely, but that had to play a factor in his concentration combined with the HR which was not necessarily well hit but just a display of Stanton’s sheer power. I’m not too worried about Jennry going forward as most seem to be.

  • metsman

    I thought Mejia was left in too long; what else did he have to do to convince Terry that he suddenly didn’t have it anymore? People always say “that was a tough loss” and I can never recall anyone ever saying “that was a run of the mill loss” but I’m going to do it now; this felt like an “oh well” type of game to me. We suck against lefties and their ridiculous 3 lefty pen made the difference.

  • MetsFAN660

    Only Mets fans can get up in arms over every tough loss, and in the same breath complain about how they aren’t even fielding a major league team. Yeah, this was a bad loss, but it wasn’t because of the Davis-Duda-Satin platoon, or the awful CY signing, or the combination of Tejada and Q at SS, or the inept bullpen that many of you were screaming about after Game 1. A young and talented starter, who was rolling, had a bad inning. Get used to it, because it’s going to happen more. 14-11, and that’s during the toughest part of their schedule when a lot of you guys thought they’d already be buried. So it’s all good if you want to break down each and every loss, I mean, that’s why we’re here, but those of you who have expected nothing from this team, or the catchers, or the SSs, (who have been great in the field if not at the plate), are running out of time before they should simply say they were wrong. LGM!

  • jdon48

    fell asleep and thankfully missed the end. but honestly, who thought we would be over .500 at the end of April?

  • jdon48

    but probably not Pedro Martinez redux, as some here have been crowing. He has good stuff. He does not always command it. Kind of like Wheeler. More pitches than Wheeler, but Wheeler has the better heater.

  • Peter S

    I love how Citi Field is so tough to hit home runs at yet other teams make it look so easy. Friday the meta should have lost, Saturday they should have won. It’s a wash win today and they’re all good.

  • HawkZon

    I just don’t like Cy, we need a SS and I’m sorry but Murphy is still a liability in the field. I feel, this game turned when Murphy muffed the ground ball and let the first run score. Our BP is being over used.
    Hard to believe we won three games against St. Louis scoring ten runs and then can’t win a game in which we score six runs.

  • BCleveland3381

    Depressing game for sure. But it’s still just one game. Win the game today and we had a successful homestand and hit the road where we’ve played really well over the last year+.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Yes, because thats exactly what I said….

  • Erin_II

    Just ignore him. Pretty much everyone else has already adopted that policy with him.

  • Erin_II

    Pizzas on me, from now on, as long as you watch from your couch.

  • Metstheory22

    I think Farnworth-less and Valverde are holding the fort until reinforcements come up. Hopefully someone else can establish themselves as late inning guys.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Haha. Have a good day, Erin.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well you must have a point then.

  • Fast Eddie

    Some comments about last night’s loss.

    It appears that the Marlins came out in the sixth inning with the intention of swinging at the first pitch. It worked.

    Mejia’s giving up a monstrous home run to Stanton was not a terrible gaffe. Mejia left a pitch up and away to Giancarlo. Most RH hitters can’t do much with such a pitch; unfortunately, Stanton is one of those who can. And he did.

    The real killer was Reed Johnson’s long fly ball that landed barely fair in the RF corner to drive in two runs. There are several current Mets outfielders who would have caught that ball; sadly, it was Bobby Abreu who was patrolling RF at that moment. Result: 2 RBI double. I can’t fault Carlos Torres for that one; he made a good pitch, Johnson got lucky.

    The current Mets lineup cannot handle LHPs. We saw it again last night.

    Veloz

  • Hotstreak

    Grandy, CY signed both risky and so far not delivered

    Closer Bobby Parnell known risk, La Troy not signed at a reasonable price and uncertainty there right now on rejects filling the role. Grade F

    DW extended at a declining stage. Reyes gone less than market and overhyped. TdA overhyped. Grade D Minus

    Dilson Hererra and THOR look like great trades. Other trades meh at best except Pagaen for Torres. Grade B (PTNL in Ike deal will impact score but still only a prospect).

    Drafts with Nimmo SA starting to look good there and Smith draft good. Grade B

    Notice the B’s are prospects and the F and D Minus is the team NOW.

    Remember tomorrow , Tomorrow is only a day away. Meanwhile Met FANS FEEL LIKE ORPHANS without a Parent. Lets go to Vegas and around the minors because tomorrow looks good but will it have become reality. In your dreams but each bitter lose on the shoestring budget is a wake up call.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    I envision TC crying and clinging to their legs when Sandy DFAs them.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I agree Joey.

    To me, the one guy who has most needed to swing more often is Duda. Lucas, IMO, has been WAY too passive at the plate the last couple of years. The guy has taken more call strikes than anyone I can think of. I understand the value of working counts. I know that being a selective hitter has its place. However, with runners on base, a big strong guy like Duda needs to be aggressive. His RBI numbers have been awful. My favorite part of last night’s game was seeing him come up with two in scoring position and swing at three straight pitches. Last year, I think he would have looked at strike 3. Last night, he was aggressive and got a big hit to drive in two.

  • Captain America

    When was it down?

  • KennyandtheMets

    The other thing about the double switch is that it only moved the pitcher’s spot back one place, from 9th to 1st. It also left Abreu in RF. On the double that drove in two and gave the Marlins the 6-5 lead, Granderson might have gotten to it faster and maybe we get the second guy at the plate. When I first saw the line up, before the game, I though that the idea was to bring in CY for Abreu when the Marlins went with the lefties out of the pen. By bringing CY in for EY, Collins left Abreu in RF and Grandy in CF. not a good defensive alignment. The 3 LH hitters in a row was just easy pickings for the lefty heavy Marlins pen. It also doesn’t help that DW doesn’t seem to destroy LHPing any more. We really need to add a legit RH power bat.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Lol. I hope you got some sleep Joey.

    The pen, IMO, has been better than expected. Torres and Germen have done a really good job. I have been posting a lot about how Terry has over used those two. This team is a couple of strong bullpen arms and a legit RH power bat away from being a pretty good team. As far as I am concerned, the ownership and FO need to step up and fill the holes ASAP! I would also like to see Collins show better judgement within games. When making in game moves, he tends to ignore the big picture. Leaving Abreu in RF, and batting between Murphy and Duda really helped the Marlins last night.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    “How does the player and the manager know how he is able to perform in the majors facing various conditions unless allowing him to sink or swim a few times to see what he can do. Even if one doesn’t do well, one can also notice something that indicates the potential is there which just needs to be worked on.”

    thats because the mets swing between playing every game like its game 7 of the WS, until they can no longer fool fans that their will be a WS that year…or a playoff spot or 90 wins…or 81 wins…in that order.

    once the realization that none of those things is bound to happen kicks in, its september and no one cares anyway

  • Erin_II

    I think I agree with approximately half of what you said, but I don’t want to risk a more severe headache trying to read it a third time.

  • jason bay

    The conversation TROLL was over the portion of the game where his performance has not been remotely “killing Major League hitters.”

    Namely the 3rd time around the order in the 5th and 6th inning when he starts running out if gas and leaves the ball up a little.

    That IMO is due to having so few innings pitched ( Avg 75 per year) the prior 4 years.

  • Erin_II

    “Why, I’ll get you for this, if it`s the last thing I do, Sandy Alderson, I`ll get you.”

    *Collins blubbers through tears and snotty nose*

  • HarveyKsYou

    He has like 66 pitches going into the sixth inning.. He could’ve easily pitched seven and possibly eight.

  • HarveyKsYou

    He was throwing “hard” last night. In his first four starts, he was topping out at 92, yesterday he averaged that.

  • HarveyKsYou

    What that tells you, again, is that we have been getting lucky. WAR goes up based on production (hits, etc) not when players reach on errors and such. Wright ALWAYS is in the top five in WAR in the NL at this time, but he has struggled big time.

  • Hotstreak

    Summary: Tomorrow looks good but we are orphans today until the lap dog for the Wilpons named SANDY has money for a closer Hawkins reasonable but Wilpons and lap dog said NO and spent in off season acquiring youth instead of risky over thirty RISKY Vets.He did try with Ike. I do like the Colon signing as a stop gap if we trade him at the deadline.

  • beers22

    Anything less than winning the World Series, people won’t admit they were wrong!

  • jason bay

    Why don’t you tell us and let us know how many times he got through the 6th on his own.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    cuz im on a high speed train to munich and baseball-reference takes forever to load on the free wifi.

    ur the one who made the statement, show some support behind it…

    also, before mejia’s injury last year, what were his 5th / 6th innings looking like ?

  • Summary:
    Mejia had “One” bad inning.
    Mets offense still not clicking.
    Pen had a bad game.
    Mets look to take 2 of 3 in series.
    Mets have yet to play their best ball.

  • BigAl831

    That double switch made absolutely no sense.

  • jason bay

    I’ll get to it after I fix the washing machine motor that is supposed to be turning the pig for our BBQ.

    Have a safe trip and don’t start any international incidents while your abroad.

  • Teddy, disagreed with me or the scout? I disagreed with the scout as well so I don’t know what you are talking about.

    I think you took what I was reporting and assumed it was my opinion as well. It wasn’t.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Exactly.

  • gary s

    I never thought Mejia should be a starter..His numbers indicate he is more suited to be a 8th inning guy and maybe eventually a closer. He is lights out for first 4-5 innings and than starts to get hit hard after that. At best he will give us 6 innings every fifth day..When they bring up Syndegard and Montero, he should be moved to the pen to replace the old men we have in there or used as a trade chip to get a ss..

  • metsman

    And I had like no pitches at that point, maybe I should have pitched…he had no stuff at that point does it really take 5 runs to drive that point home?

  • LIKayLGM

    Pen had one bad inning too, not so much a bad game. The rest, of your points, right on man 🙂

  • Joey D.

    Hi Kenny,

    LOL, yup, I did, thanks. Actually only got up about an hour ago – love sleeping late on a Sunday.

    And it was nice waking up to the pleasant words from you and Williewater. Much better waking up to something like this on another thread from one whose name is not even worth repeating:

    “Well maybe we can turn around and flip Wheeler, Syndergaard and d’Arnaud for professional integrity. All this team needs now is a little professional integrity and then we’re set. A real fkn juggernaut. Like I said the other day, they older they are the dumber they get. The fool who said NY fans are among the most intelligent, never read a post from the schmuck above.”

    If anyone is not familiar with the professional integrity, it is about my contention that no matter what one might think of Zack Wheeler, the circumstances of obtaining him were professionally unethical in as much as the Mets were in the wildcard hunt in 2011 and it didn’t matter because the organization had to strip itself of as many expenses as possible or sell the team.

    Because of the dependency on Madoff, a critical cash flow situation began in October, 2009 (despite coming off a season which saw a $24 million surplus in operating expenses) which due to the loans taken to buy out the Doubledays, construct Citi Field and form a partnership to create SNY, Sterling Mets actually wound up needing more than $100 million in bailouts and personal loans during the 2010/2011 period to avoid bankruptcy on numerous occasions.

    So massive cost cuts were required as a matter of survival in order to meet their debt payments and continue operation. So, no matter how well the team was doing, high priced stars had to go. Even if the overall savings from KRod and Beltran combined only amounted to $5 million, in lieu of over $100 million being needed to stay afloat, that $5 million was of necessity.

    Sterling Mets was not looking to rebuild the future by trying to obtain a top prospect during the 2011 season. It was not that the front office decided the team wasn’t good enough to continue playing as well as it had been and was given the opportunity to get a Zack Wheeler and didn’t pass it up. They were in desperate need to cut expenses and was going to dump their expensive contracts regardless of what the team was doing. No organization in their position acts as a seller with it’s team keeping within six to seven games in the loss column and playing .563 ball over the course of 85 games after a miserable 5-14 start.

    If one wants to say in 2011 it was Sandy looking long term and not economically driven, then the turn of events since then proves otherwise. Look at the parade of Marcum-type players he has brought in since. All one has to do is look at what we have now – a payroll under $85 million (even Kansas City has a higher payroll than we do) and during the off-season us not trying to get the few missing pieces you, I and others conclude is all we needed with the great pitching that we have assembled. We would not even re-sign Hawkins so not to spend $1 million more.

    The signings of CY, Granderson and Colon came from the money no longer being spent on Santana and Bay – there was no additional money being re-invested into the team and one of the reasons for that in the past was because the team had yet to be developed to the stage that it justified taking that step.

    The only difference between 2011 and 2014 is that instead of getting rid of players in an effort to save money, this organization is now not getting us enough players so not to spend money – for the time has certainly come for us to have taken that next step.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Sigh…

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Oh. No point. Ok then.

  • SCalNTMetfan

    mets lost because TC left Mejia in way too long, Mejia looked like poop the inning before and looked worse the following inning but I guess teaching Mejia humble pie is more important than a win on the long haul, per TC

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    There is, but it’ll still be lost on you.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’m sure.