Mets Aren’t Optimistic Of Flores’ Chances At SS

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Mike Puma of the New York Post tweets that the Mets aren’t optimistic of Wilmer Flores’ chances of becoming an everyday shortstop, according to a source.

Flores is hitting .256 in 22 games with one home run and 13 RBI for Triple-A Las Vegas while also racking up six errors on the season.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments
  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I wonder who the source is?? On a related topic, Funny how we have so many leeks in our fo, but not on our ptbnl that we got for ike.

  • shouldaswung

    In the small amount that I’ve personally seen Wilmer at SS, he looks the same there as Murphy did at 2B when he started there, if not better. Flores seems like the kind of kid who is willing to put the hard work in to be successful, so maybe he CAN play SS in the long run.

    The Mets need to make a quick assessment of where Wilmer is going to settle in though, then put him there, even if it’s 3B. Let him get comfortable, establish his value, and package him in a trade IF we can’t find a spot for him.

  • SeanKing121

    That’s because the player to be named later hasn’t been announced yet? There’s probably a deadline in the middle of the summer when, depending on the details, the Mets or Pirates choose who the PTBNL is.

    There have been hints (such as a 2013 Pirates’ DP) but aside from that, no one knows who it is.

  • shouldaswung

    Is it possible that the PTBNL will depend on Ike Davis’ production with Pittsburgh?

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Not like they ever gave Flores a legitimate shot to succeed. But this doesn’t let the FO of the hook for failing to address the problem at SS.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Remember how many were mocking the previous FO for having players play out of position etc?? and how this type of idiocy was not gonna happen with Sandy and the geniuses at the helm?? okay then……

  • billpulsipher

    Sandy ALderson #Tejada4Lyfe

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    Phew, thought this was serious until I saw puma wrote it

  • $14435385

    No…they can’t announce the name because the rules stipulate that you can’t trade players from the prior draft until a year has passed….otherwise we’d know who it was already.

  • metsfan130

    Now that this experiment is over, maybe we can finally bring in an external option like Drew, Franklin or
    Owings. In a package for Franklin or Owings we can include Wilmer because unfortunately he just doesn’t have a spot to play on this team.

  • shouldaswung

    I know about that, thank you. I am asking if it is possible to put a contingency on the trade.

  • billpulsipher

    but Drew wants more than 1 million, he’s out of fred and jeffs price range

  • SeanKing121

    Yes, it is. It depends on the agreement they made. It’s very possible that the Mets are in control of the situation and can choose from a list after the draft.

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    1) it’s not over
    2) drew still wants a deal he ain’t worth
    3) franklin is the white flores, no reason to trade assets for him
    4) Owings wouldn’t be a bad idea, not willing to deal montero for him tho, wilmer and degrom is the furthest I go

  • sperry

    Would still rather have him at SS than Tejada

  • Peter S

    If Flores can’t handle SS, Murphy is at 2B, Wright at 3B and Duda at 1B, it’s time to say good bye to Wilmer. I would put him back at 3B or 2B and hope he starts raking.

  • NYM86

    With Tejada’s #’s creeping upwards the team will probably say they’re content with him as the starting SS.

  • BCleveland3381

    Well, they weren’t optimistic of his chances before the season, and that didn’t stop them from doing nothing to upgrade the position. If we stay in contention for most of the year but fall just short of the postseason with Ruben Tejada as our SS, it will be ALL on Sandy. He needed to fix that position. He said it was the biggest need going into the offseason, and he did nothing to fix it.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Is this the same source who told Rubin about Ike being out late partying?

    These anonymous sources get old. Is Puma trying to drum up a story now that he cant call Met players names?

    We will see if Flores is back at SS after his finger heals.

  • Eyeball

    Puma says the position is too heavy for Flores.

  • Eyeball

    Actually, I’d rather they keep him at SS as long as necessary to rule out that he can’t play there. He’s bounced around enough the past few years to ruin his comfort level at any position.

    If he can play SS competently, that will be his best value.

  • Taskmaster4450

    As was stated in another post, Tejada’s production, the Mets could live with. He wouldnt be the first light hitting SS in the major leagues.

    The problem is Grandy hitting under .150, Wright in a 2 for 30 skid, TdA hitting .220, EYJ closing in on the Mendoza line, and both CY and Lagares hitting the DL.

  • shouldaswung

    Ok, thanks, I thought so. It’s quite possible that Ike could screw us again then…

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Duda is probably not gonna be at 1B for the Mets for long, but yeah, it looks like Flores may become bait.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Drew isnt good

  • NewYorkMammoths

    TOBY: I just wanted to let you know that I’ll be taking a leave of absence starting next week.

    MICHAEL: Oh, because you’ve been on the lam because the boring police have been after you and they finally caught up with you?

    TOBY: No. The opposite. I was actually selected to be a juror on a very high-profile case.

    MICHAEL Yes, the case of the horrible, redheaded sad sack, and the verdict, it was Toby and the sentence, death. Death to Toby.

    TOBY: That’s hurtful talk, and we’ve talked about that.

  • CJM

    If the Mets stay in contention for most the year but fall just short of the postseason, the year would be a considered a wild success, wouldn’t it?

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Maybe, but its more likely sandy knows who it is imo, but anything is possable

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Yeah, that’s why they moved him out of SS like two years ago.

  • shouldaswung

    His value as an average fielding 3B with a Fonzie-type bat is probably better than a butcher-at-SS with the same bat, honestly. And, as far as his MAXIMUM value goes, it’s likely at 2B.

    The Mets should be able to judge that ability/value within a small enough degree to make the decision where to play him. His value is certainly at the lowest without proving he can play ANYWHERE

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Can’t really say that d’Arnaud has been a problem as of late, especially from the way he started the season. He’s been hitting .286 the past week or so, no?

  • NYM86

    I know that, but the front office doesn’t seem to care.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Correct, but id bet sandy and co know who it is

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    You sure can

  • WillisReid

    Given how valuable and rare SS with a plus bat are, I think if he could have had a realistic chance of sticking there he wouldn’t have been moved off of it so early in his career.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Improved? Yes/

    But the season is a month old and he is hitting roughly .220.

    If he was close to .275 along with some of the others producing, Tejada’s production or lack thereof isnt as noticeable.

  • Petey Pete

    NEWSFLASH! Flores can’t play 2B either.

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    Really needs to start platooning. He’s really valuable against lefties, but is terrible against righties

  • It’s Mike Puma, who cares?

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    d’Arnaud will heat up from here, Wright will bounce back, and Granderson will improve (more in HRs than BA).

    The real thing that’s very glaring is that we have NO CLEANUP HITTER whatsoever in this lineup.

    Granderson? No.
    Murphy? Nope.
    CY? Negatory.

    Atlanta has a 1-2 punch of Upton & Freeman carrying them and we have a 1-2 of…..

  • WillisReid

    Franklin has just as many questions about his ability to play SS. He’s playing 2B in the minors for an organization that has Brad Miller batting under .200 starting at SS for the big club.

  • Petey Pete

    Flores range and incredible lack of foot-speed are the reasons he is destined for a corner IF spot.

  • RS

    Agreed, there’s a ton of ruben tejada-types on other teams, you don’t hear about them, because you rarely hear much about 8-hole hitters…

  • TheMets philosophy

    I HATE THESE DAMN SOURCES. GIMME AN F-ING NAME

  • WillisReid

    Those jokes were funnier and had more merit before they spent $80MM this winter.

    Sometimes never is better than late.

  • RS

    Owings isn’t exactly dazzling anyone as of late…
    no one wanted drew
    Franklin has his own problems (and might not be available with Miller struggling)

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    You do know that teams stayed away from Drew because of his medicals, right? It was really glaring when even Detroit turned him down.

  • TheMets philosophy

    Who told you this experiment is over?? This stupid unnamed source?? He made 6 errors 5 of them were throwing errors they actually like his arm so that can improve!

  • RS

    what do you call this month in AAA? Or his first few professional seasons?

  • Vin

    “according to a source”

    At least tell me it’s a “Mets” source or don’t “report” it.

    Puma, get a new beat. Please.

  • WillisReid

    Mike Hock. Feel better?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Is the source Reuben Tejada?

  • rwdavis22461

    Take into account his injuries and re getting use to playing ss. We got a good second and third baseman new few option does not hit for tons of power for either corner. Not fast for outfield a man without many other positions.

  • BronxMets

    What happened to the raking RBI machine

  • shouldaswung

    I wouldn’t put too much stock in one unconfirmed source. that being said, IF we were going to make a move, I’d rather pursue Baez, Lindor, Russell, Seager, Mondesi, Lee, Sardinas, or Andrus, personally.

    I know the price tag is high for most of these guys, the timing is wrong for others, and a few might not be obtainable no matter what, but, I would like to move some of our excess pitching now, or by mid-season, to get a TOP SS talent.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    “Owings isn’t exactly dazzling anyone as of late..”

    You didn’t catch last night’s highlights, did you?

  • HillsideAve

    Shortstops are born, not made.

  • Peter S

    I disagree.

  • TheMets philosophy

    Not at all lol. What pisses me off is that Puma picks the day after he played 1st bec. Of a thumb injury to report this when he actually wasnt that bad at ss yes he has 6 errors but 5 are throwing errors and we know he can fix that sort of like murphy figured it out. And why the heck is puma bringing up his average like thats another reason why the mets dont see him at short?? Hes proven he can hit at every level!

  • CyYout

    Flores is a third baseman and we sealed his fate the day we extended Wright.

  • SeanKing121

    It really depends on when they set the date or not. As MD92468 said, they can’t be traded until the next draft anyway, so there wouldn’t really be a point to picking so early.

  • Ed Charles

    This regime is among the worst talent evaluators in MLB. Alderson is stuck in a 90’s mentality and his right hand man destroyed the Dodgers — it’s wonder that Wilpon the Dodger lover ever agreed to his hiring. These imbeciles put Duda in left, Murph in left, said Murph couldn’t play 2b, haven’t drafted a usable position player in five years! Enough about Nimmo — he’s raking at St Lucie. I won’t even go through the drafts that Alderson has bungled. And now we’re supposed to listen to them about Flores? And who cares what he’s hitting at AAA — look at his minor league career. The kid can hit. We’re the ones who destroy these guys — Hudgens anyone? Backman, and a new GM. Please!

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Ronnie! Great to see you!

  • Jeff

    he was moved because Reyes was thought to be the franchise SS

  • WillisReid

    Doesn’t mean anything really. Could have been the guy selling sno cones for all we know. We’ll see in a few weeks once they get the extra year and Tejada is hitting .200.

  • shouldaswung

    Some of it was the projection of how his body would likely fill out as he matured. He seems to be in BETTER shape now though

  • mad met

    The biggest need has always been a cleanup hitter.still is

  • RS

    Okay, I was wrong, he’s doing well offensively.
    Tell me why AZ would trade him to us? I don’t see how he is even available to us, and if he was, what the price would be.
    I just don’t see any great options for the mets to upgrade one position that you shouldn’t be relying on to carry the team anyway.

  • Jeff

    NO! You try to win every game. When the Mets have the ability to made a trade or to bring up players and don’t because of $, and then later in the season you look back at games you could have won in April or May with such moves being made. Lost by 1 game in 2007—that Marlins game shouldn’t have even mattered.

  • RS

    I just don’t think that’s true. So they moved him behind the captain at 3rd because he would be blocked by reyes at short? Even if that was the case, that would be a huge short-sighted move, lowering Wilmers overall value based on the MLB roster at the time (3 years ago mind you).

  • I can’t take anything Puma says seriously.

  • Destry

    In fairness to Sandy, Wilmer Flores was in the system when he became GM, and Sandy 1st RD Pick Brandon Nimmo is currently hitting almost .400 in High A St. Lucie one month removed from being a 20 year old. He also brought in Wheeler, signed Rafael Montero, Syndergaard

  • $14435385

    What Pedros said! Welcome aboard!

  • $14435385

    I bloody well hope so!

  • Petey Pete

    I would like to clear something up. A lot of people here seem to think you can teach some slow guy with no range to play SS at the highest level. I have to tell you folks it’s not that simple. There are legitimate reasons why in the case of Flores it can’t be done. Sure it would have been convenient if we could have jammed a square peg in a round hole and made Flores our big league SS. But alas you can’t make lemonade out of mud. I have sat behind 3rd base, balancing a cold brewskie on my knee, when Wilmer was trying to score from second on a single to centerfield. Let me tell you, as he turned third and headed home, just when you wanted to see him shift into a higher gear and streak home, there was no higher speed. That slow, churning, grinding thing that his legs were doing, was all there was. I said, “C’mon Wilmer dammit! Get the lead out!” But that was all there was, about half the speed that Reyes could run, and naturally Wilmer was nailed at the plate. I don’t think you can teach speed. Although you don’t have to be a burner to play the position, a big league SS needs a lot more foot-speed than Flores can generate. I have also seen him play 2B many times recently and he simply does not have the range to play even on that side of the keystone. So FORGET this middle infield crap and let’s make him a competent 1B-man before it’s too late. He has a decent arm and soft hands, if he can get his glove to the ball. I’ll bet deep down inside even he knows he’s not a big league SS. Putting that pressure on himself could be why he hasn’t been hitting this year. Because hitting is one thing that he does pretty well.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Last I checked, Arizona wanted pitching & a catcher to displace Montero (which is really telling since he’s locked up). If I’m going after Owings, I’m gonna fill another need and that’s getting a cleanup hitter.

    Why would AZ trade him to us? We have an ample amount of starters that they need to restock upon bad (bet they wish they didn’t get rid of Skaggs now). Their top prospect Bradley just went down with an elbow injury, just another one in a line of their guys that’s either been hurt (Hudson, Corbin) or haven’t produced at all (the entire current D-Backs rotation). I see Miley & Cahill bouncing back, but I’m not sure about Arroyo. McCarthy’s gone after this year either way.

  • Ed Charles

    Okay you can fall in love with Nimmo at St Lucie, who will be a left fielder for the Mets (without much power) in 2016 with a best case scenario. I never said Alderson couldn’t “sell” players. But he didn’t draft Wheeler, he traded for him when the whole league knew that Wheeler was a top prospect. Duh. Giants were desperate for a bat in a pennant chase. Montero is still in AAA. Famillia was supposed to be a stud too. Montero is having a hard time in AAA. Syndegaarde is another player that we TRADED for. That’s not talent evaluation. And you still haven’t mentioned a single position player. C’mon, he BUNGLED three drafts. THREE. I LIKE Flores. I DONT LIKE Alderson,

  • BarnRat

    This is Puma’s effort to recover from peanut butter-gate?

  • bostongregg

    He can’t field the position. The Mets chances are predicated on pitching. If you rely on pitching you need to field behind them. Ergo: Flores should not be the shortstop. You might get a little more pop out of his bat (in fact you almost certainly will) but in the long run it is the fielding of a shortstop that is the key to a pitching-dependent team.

  • MyasDaddy

    Atta boy Ronnie. Welcome to your new home! I hope you got my facebook message!

  • jdon48

    Rafael Santana did it. He stunk. And Davey played Kevin Mitchell and Hojo there. That team won games

  • BarnRat

    Murph isn’t at 2B (for us) 9 months from now, so yeah, stick Flores back at 2B

  • jdon48

    What does that make Tejada?

  • SCarton12

    I don’t need a source, I can see with my own eyes that Wilmer is not a SS. You only hope he can be and hope is not a plan. They made a big mistake playing him at SS. Let him hit well playing 2nd,3rd and 1st and then trade him when someone has a need for a 3rd baseman.

  • RS

    when you are a defensive downgrade to tejada and murph, and probably even Duda, you got problems

  • Petey Pete

    Yeah but the best shortstops the Mets ever employed were fairly speedy, Buddy Harrelson and Jose Reyes, and Rey Rey Ordonez who wasn’t really fast but very quick, was speedy too.

  • skiplockweird

    Davey was awesome.he did it his way and didn’t care what anyone thought.

  • Petey Pete

    And Santana wasn’t a flashy SS, but was steady and he made the plays.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    A can’t miss player, according to Collins.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Arent you a clever one.

    Here is a suggestion, before you spout off about something maybe research it first.

    Here is a question for you, of the 3 drafts that Alderson had, name all the players available when the Mets drafted in that round who had an impact at the major league level.

    You have Fernandez, Wacha, and Wood. That is all…in three years. Yet you are so smart to say he screwed up three drafts.

    Boy what a crystal ball you have.

    Get a clue.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Have you watched the games in Vegas and seen what he can do?

  • SCarton12

    Yes, he can hit, No, he cannot play SS. The mets are winning with pitching and defense. I would not want to see Flores screw that up.

  • CJM

    IMO, they should sign Drew after the draft and platoon him with Tejada. I think they can still improve that team, and I would hold it against Sandy to an extent if the team just missed the playoffs. However, you also have droves of fans saying the Mets won’t even go .500. If they win 85/86 games and just miss the playoffs, the season would still be a success, which is my point.

  • CJM

    No it’s not. Duda should bat cleanup.

  • TheMets philosophy

    Just to see were you stand, do you think he can develope into a better or worse SS than a Jhonny peralta? A guy the mets had serious interest in.

  • EzRider

    Shocked i tell ya, shocked. The flores situation has been a major disaster for years now. This team has 1st baseman galore at this point, prospects and journeymen, so no point in moving Flores now. I’d rather see if we can put a package together that has him included for a real SS at some point. We have pitching depth to move and Flores is still a hitter who should still be able to man 3rd and 2nd in a pinch.

  • oleosmirf

    Have you?

  • Peter S

    Gee, Colon, Wheeler, Meija and Niese

  • SCarton12

    I think you just made that up.

  • CJM

    A great right handed option for a shortstop platoon.

  • Peter S

    Wilmer is all about his bat. If he is a .300/20/80 bat, and fields what he gets to, no none will miss his range. The problem is, his bat is very much lacking right now. Which makes his defensive skills a lot hard to swallow.

  • oleosmirf

    No-one is expecting Flores to be the SS of the future. All he has to do is survive at the position for the rest of the season because it’s the only place on the diamond where he can contribute at the MLB level this season and our current SS is the WORST player at the position in baseball right now.

    Let him play 4 months at SS to get his bat in the lineup so when he replaces Murphy next year, he’ll have the ABs under his belt now and be as comfortable as possible going into 2015 where we should be legit contenders.

  • Peter S

    That’s a story for another day.

  • mad met

    U are the new gm .my vote is in can we get a cleanup hittet while your at it

  • SCarton12

    If his numbers crept up to a steady .350obp and he continued with this defense, I’d be content also, not sold long term mind you.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    I was talking in terms of power bats we can count on offensively. Sure, you’ll have Wright once he bounces back, but who else? Grandy is streaky, Duda may not produce enough to be a cleanup guy, and then there’s everyone else. A legit cleanup hitter is what we need.

  • Scottydoeskno328

    They also weren’t optimistic of Murphy sticking at 2nd. So I believe we can just ignore this.

  • Taskmaster4450

    No but I am not making the statement that I see with my own eyes.

    He did.

    Thank you for commenting. Pay closer attention next time.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Hell we dont even know if he watched Flores at SS in Vegas.

    For all we know he might just be parroting what he read in spite of seeing with his own eyes.

  • oleosmirf

    I am paying attention. You are criticizing someone for having a different opinion than you (the same opinion shared by 100% of the real scouts btw) on the notion that “he hasn’t seen him play in Vegas”

    What evidence is there that he can play an adequate SS other than the blind hope of being a fan?

  • Chrisshea

    How do you bungle a draft that happened less than a year ago? Or two years ago? Or three years ago? Especially when you’re drafting prep players.

    This guy Ed! He’s a know it all that knows nothing…

  • Dave_in_Spain

    Most of the guys you mentioned are not ready for the bigs. So does that mean you´re happy with Tejada playing this year, and are willing to wait another year or two for an acquired SS to develop?

  • Peter S

    I was somewhat being sarcastic but the truth is When you are pitching well, you don’t need big kffense. The mets will gladly win games 3-1. The Giants never had a major offensive team during their 2 WS years.

  • billpulsipher

    people are so hard up for the Mets to have a homegrown star hitter that a lot of people treat Flores like the 2nd coming of Hanley Ramirez when in fact, he’s just the 2nd coming of Eduardo Nunez…

  • Taskmaster4450

    What is ironic is the Mets are still looking at guys from the 2009 and 2010 drafts making an impact on the team (Matz, MDD, Edgin) let alone the last three years.

    People deem the drafts the last three years failures when they dont even know who made an impact in the majors around the league. They just go by a few names they know.

    Here is another who was available when the Mets drafted and made it to the majors…Wong with the Cardinals….and he just earned a trip back to AAA.

  • mackeysasser

    i dont understand how an organization can have a top hitting prospect who is just about to reach the majors , and not know where to play him….. give him a first base glove

  • BigAl831

    I don’t think he can play shortstop at the major league level either but if Tejada doesn’t improve these next few weeks then you gotta do something. How about Flores at Short against righties and at first base against lefties.

    Tejada at short against lefties. Goodbye Q and Satin and hello Flores and Campbell.

    Just an idea.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Are you serious?

    He stated his opinion was based upon the fact that “he can see” with his own eyes. So where did he see him play SS other than Vegas because that is the only place he played SS since 2010 other than a few games in ST.

    And when did asking a question turn into criticism? I guess you really arent paying attention. He claims to have visual proof that Flores cant play it. I am simply asking where it came from.

  • Run Support Group

    O-Ok? Do you have any stats to back that up? Or just because they’re both Latin and are defensive question marks? What a dumb comp

  • Djmurphy

    Puma is just talking to talk he has nothing to write cause nobody wants to talk to him. Don’t pay any attention to his nonsense. Flores has done pretty good at SS considering he hasn’t played there in years. Most of his errors have been mental they will go away with time. He has shown pretty good range and makes good throws. He has cut balls off and made great plays. His biggest problem has been uncertainty and making the right play needs to become second nature then he will be fine. He really needs to work on throwing to second for the force. He gets flustered when there’s multiple things he can do with the ball.

    That being said his best position is third base. He could be a decent second baseman to but he has similar issues there. He needs to stay in a position so he knows what he’s doing with the ball. His average is not a concern it will come around he gets at least 1 hit every game. He has been hitting much better last couple of weeks.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Anything to attack the Mets with.

  • Run Support Group

    Syndergaard= Paul Wilson because they’re both highly touted mets pitvhing prospects. What silly logic

  • Mcgrupp81

    Do you go to see the 51s in person or do you get a video feed?

  • Mario Gonzalez

    That’s actually a very good idea. Someone tweet this to Richie 4-12-2!!

  • Taskmaster4450

    And what if you sign the guy and he pulls a Perolta or Grandy? How many games does that cost you? Or if the guy called up from the minors bombs….how much does that cost you?

    Upgrades are only that if they work out. Just making a move can backfire on you.

  • BKMike

    How about our “sources” start encouraging our youth and showing some confidence in their abilities instead of constantly naysaying and discouraging their attempts to succeed

    Just sayin.

  • donobrien

    My guess is Murphy will be at 2b for many more years. Look for an extension of 3 to 4 years. Murphy isn’t hungry for money, though fangraphs said he was worth 14.5 million for his 2013 play. Yous cud look it up, as CS would say.

  • Sylow59

    How exactly did you come to that conclusion?

  • Run Support Group

    It’s very possible this “source” isn’t connected to the org.

  • mets4lyfe

    On the bright side, he’s not Mike Moustakas batting .155 on the season.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    You really think he’s defensive downgrade from Murph and Duda? Give me some of what you’re smoking, please!!!

  • BarnRat

    God rain-outs suck.

    At least Thor at 10…

  • billpulsipher

    most scouts agree Thor is filthy. Most scouts agree Flores is nothing more than a bench player. Nobody on the planet thinks this guy is a future star lol

  • RS

    I do. At best he’s still not a defensive upgrade.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Most scouts thought Harvey’s ceiling was as a #3 pitcher.

    They are often wrong; they can provide some guidance or framework but their reports arent to be taken as gospel.

  • Run Support Group

    “Most scouts agree Flores is nothing but a bench player”

    LOL WHAATTT? Can you give me a source on a scouting report that says this? Because most scouting reports have said he’s got a good bat but is blocked at 3B so he’s been moved to SS

  • According to source…

    Opposing scout: what do you think about that Flores kid!
    Mets scout: I don’t know, he’s a big kid. We shall see.

    Source Mets aren’t optimistic…

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Thank YOU!!!!!

  • BarnRat

    I hope you’re right, but serious arb $$ and the Mets FO don’t get along very well, esp when you have a league minimum back-up

  • Run Support Group

    For everyone overreacting, calm down. Remember how at the winter meetings reports were the mets weren’t going to sign a starter on more than a minor league deal? Then the next day they signed bartolo

  • Taskmaster4450

    Have you seen the games and watched Flores play SS in Vegas?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    But you forget – they aren’t teaching him to play SS. They’re putting him back at his old position. He’s not “learning” anything.

  • Hotstreak

    I guess Wright is passe’ Interpret that the way you want.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I made the mistake of giving up on Satin and he smoked an RBI single to center last night.

    Satin only has 16 ABs or so this year so it is too early to tell.

    And dont be fooled by Campbell’s numbers at Vegas. Satin, Q, and Lagares all killed it down there and, thus far, only Lagares has hit decently at the next level.

  • HarveyKsYou

    Shortstop is much hader to play, especially when you don’t have the range, footwork, and mobility.

  • BarnRat

    You’re giving the source a lot of credit. I’m betting Puma was on the phone with his mother

  • Martin

    1. “sources” mean nothing. 2. reporters that list avg without obp are idiots and can be ignored.

  • Destry

    Whats his OBP?

  • BigAl831

    I like Satin. More than most actually.

    But Campbell does provide some more versatility. Either way I like my idea a little bit.

  • jaygreen55

    Paul Wilson was the real deal before he blew his arm out.
    He was the #1 overall pick and threw like Tom Seaver. so he does equal Syndegaard.

    You never know what happens on the way to the show

  • MyasDaddy

    The source is Matt Cerrone. There you have it.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    People love Flores just soooooo much. No one can ever speak ill of him under any circumstances.

    Struggling at AAA? “He’s learning a new position.”
    Six errors at SS in AAA? “He’s learning.”
    Source says he can’t play SS? “It’s not a credible source.”
    He didn’t do anything in the majors while here? “He was hurt most of the time.”

    The excuses are just like grains of sand on a beach for this kid.

  • Run Support Group

    Ok good, didn’t think it was a legit source anyway

  • MyasDaddy

    Next Cerrone is going to tell us that Tejada likes to “dive” into first base, and then he will tell us that Matt Harvey will likely never win a CY Young. All the while telling us that Ryan Braun was available in a trade for Ike Davis straight up.

  • piazza4aday

    The only name im interested in putting a “package” of talent together to acquire is Jed Lowrie .

  • Run Support Group

    While simultaneously making hilarious grammatical/ spelling errors

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    .320? So what?

  • MyasDaddy

    You are correct sir. I am so bored without a game tonight. I really don’t know what to do with myself.

  • Run Support Group

    I know..having an off day after a satisfying win makes me feel so empty. I CRAVE METS BASEBALL

  • NewYorkMammoths

    OBP: .320
    OPS: .664

  • Destry

    Here is the problem Sasser. Yes, he can hit now in in the minor leagues, and yes he may be a really good hitter someday in the bigs, but his bat was projected as 2B or 3B. If he has to move to 1B, his bat isn’t as valuable, because plenty of guys can play 1B and be an average hitter, hes an above average hitter IF he can handle SS, which is out, 2B, which he looks below average now, and if he gets bigger, will have to move to 3B, which is blocked. The position really determines how valuable the bat is. He is not a .330 30 HR guy. He is probably a .270-.280 15 maybe 20 HR guy in a normal environment.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Puma has a Mets source???

    Who is he? Bartolo Colon or that jar of Peanut butter?

    They arent optimistic but continue to run him out there at SS prior to the jammed finger…So when they permanently remove him from SS I’ll believe this report.

    Until further notice ignore this report since its coming fromm the NY Post on a slow newsday due to a PPD Game.

  • Destry

    Meanwhile, Wright, Duda, Murphy are all home grown and hitting the ball

  • Martin

    thats is the problem, i have no idea. he could be doing well or terrible.

  • Destry

    The thing is, footwork is equally important at 2B and even more important at 1B. His best position is 3B, with an eventual move to 1B if he can hit enough to still be valuable at 1B

  • Peter S

    So a 21 year old having a bad month should just be thrown to the curb? I agree that his struggles are worrisome, but the excuses are just natural. How many excuses did people make for Ike or Wright when he struggled? No legit 4 hitter to protect him, the stadium is too big, he needs a rest. It’s part of being a fan. You try to come up with reasons because just saying he stinks is a fruitless argument. Right now he stinks. He needs to get better otherwise he is just another prospect that didn’t make it. What’s the fun in saying that about Flores?

  • Peter S

    And shutting down his site.

  • MyasDaddy

    Its almost like kissing your mother when she doesn’t have her teeth in.

  • Destry

    Definitely Murphy. Probably equal to Duda. Both have been great this year

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Who said anything about kicking him to the curb?

    But as soon as a source says someone negative, it’s the source that’s wrong, without even knowing who the source is. So defensive about Flores.

  • Destry

    Nor is he an offensive upgrade to Murphy or Duda. Look at Murphy and Duda’s numbers coming through the minors and then look at Wilmers. Yes he was young at most of his stops, but not last year, in Vegas, and Vegas is a pretty easy place to hit

  • Peter S

    This really does stink.

  • Destry

    Familia was here when Alderson got here also.

  • mr. belvedere

    why would he replace Murphy?

  • MyasDaddy

    What to do? What to do?

  • Peter S

    I don’t mean by you. It’s just 1 month of baseball. It’s like saying the mets should start selling playoff tickets. Whoever this “source” was is causing a rutkus based on less than a month of basball.

  • mr. belvedere

    murph was in LF in 2008, Alderson was hired in 2010

  • lareplus

    First base is my hope. . .he could end up hitting like Keith Hernandez. . .high average, RBIs and good glove. .

  • SCarton12

    What I have seen is good defense makes pitchers jobs easier. Tejada has played a very good SS this year and I think that makes a huge difference to the pitching staff. I didn’t always feel this way, the start of this season and the improved OF defense last year has convinced me. Therefore, I am totally against Flores as a SS and I hope they can find a great fielding/good hitting SS for the future.

  • Destry

    The same people that yell and scream to sign Bay & Grandy are the same people that scream “Bay & Granderson suck”

    People talk much and know little

  • lareplus

    Don’t replace Murphy cause he’s one of the most reliable hitters in the league!

  • jaygreen55

    I think the second coming of Gregg Jeffries. A bat without a natural position and no place to play. He was so highly touted as a minor leaguer
    that he was on the cover Sports Illustrated before he even came up. He came up at the end of August in 1988 and hit 321 with 6 homers in 29 games with an OPS 0f 961

    Then the league figured out he couldn’t hit or lay off of high fastballs and he had a very unspectacular career

  • Peter S

    This is front office created problem. Their inability to recognize that Flores’ best position is 1B or 3B based on his range started this problem. Had they understood him better perhaps he could be playing 1B right now, or dare I say, 3B with Reyes at SS. Yes I know, what about Wright? He could have become a lot of prospects if they decided to resign Reyes and kept Flores for 3B, and it would be about $40m cheaper. Wouldn’t have been my choice but a better option then what is happening now. Of course, maybe he just stinks and isn’t worth this headache. But he has hit above average everywhere and his bat would be real nice at 3B with Reyes at SS.

  • SCarton12

    I think he could develop into a 36 yo Peralta and in two or three years be a 42 yo Peralta. I am glad they didn’t get Peralta.

  • lareplus

    Don’t confuse us with facts. . .

  • mr. belvedere

    Everyone needs to calm down on both sides of the Flores debate…I don’t think he can handle SS at the major league level but he’s a 22 yr old that’s still growing apparently and has HIT at every level playing younger than his level as well…what Flores can be is a very valuable bench/platoon player…he’s 22, can hit, and can play all 4 infield positions anywhere from above average to serviceable…next year or later this season if he starts hitting, Flores should be a better version of Satin…platooning with Duda at 1B, taking a few starts away from Wright at 3B, and the occasional start/double switch at SS and 2B, plus being the main RH pinch hitter and RH DH in American League parks…this is plenty of playing time for a 22 year old kid without a real position

  • SCarton12

    They are just hoping for an in-house answer to SS. A SS with big hitting potential. I understand it, they know the mets will never sign a top SS and there is no proof/history that Sandy will trade any of his young pitching. So this supposed report, or any negative news, takes their hope away. I don’t think Flores is the answer.

  • markr

    Keep him there and see what happens. His only other Mets position is 2B and he doesn’t warrant the Mets moving Murphy for him. Unfortunately if he has 20 errors by July I don’t have a recommendation for a Plan B. Still hate seeing Tejada every day though.

  • MyasDaddy

    I never liked the idea of young kids riding the bench. Especially trying to be the super sub you are expecting him to be. He needs to play everyday at one position! Whether its SS, 2B, 1B or where ever. Make a decision and keep him there.

  • Destry

    Im trying to find something relevant in your response. Nimmo is a position player for 1 thing, and secondly, if he hits this well in AA for the 2nd half, he will start the 2015 season in AAA, which means if he has a good start to the season, and there is a need, he may be in the lineup everyday by June 2015.

    Just because he didn’t draft Wheeler doesn’t mean he didn’t evaluate him. He was offered Gary Brown at the time, who everyone thought was a sure fire top prospect with game changing speed, and emerging power, that would be a CF for 10 years. Alderson said NO, because he evaluated both prospects correctly. By the way you are screaming for a position player, Im sure you were screaming for Brown at the time.

    Montero is in AAA, OK? Pretty much every player was in AAA at some point, and our rotation is so good, we dont’ need him right now. Not sure why you wasted time typing that out.

    Familia was signed by Minaya and has always had control issues. It was Alderson that moved him to the pen.

    Syndergaard is another player that we traded for when the entire industry had underrated him, Sandy pick pocketed him, because of his stellar evaluation, as the 2nd prospect in the Dickey deal, and then he broke onto the prospect scene.

    Well, he got rid of Ike, moved Duda to 1B, which has been a great move so far. He moved Daniel Murphy to 2B, which was another great move. We have a rookie catcher that might just be an All-Star in a couple of years, and 7 of our top 11 prospects are position players. Evaluation of a draft this early is like evaluating your 401k the day you open it as a finished product. It just doesn’t make any sense.

  • mr. belvedere

    but if he’s not gonna outperform any of them then you can’t force feed him into the lineup…doesn’t quite have enough pop to play 1B everyday, nowhere near the hitter Murph is, not in the same league as Wright, and can’t handle SS in the majors

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    No, fans are working themselves into a ruckus. The source is giving his opinion or reporting a fact.

  • SCarton12

    LOL, you are so right.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    His first professional seasons were not at SS. He was not given an opportunity to compete for the SS job in ST. An so he started at AAA by default. If the Mets had been serious about resolving the SS issue internally, they would have had an open competition for the SS job in ST.

  • Destry

    Yeah. DW is my favorite player, but as a Mets fan I wanted them to trade him right after they traded Dickey, and trade Santana right after that. It made no sense for us to sign Wright at that time, and we could’ve received 4 top 100 prospects for him to go along with TDA, Thor, and all the other young talent that we have. Not to mention at the time, our #1 prospect was killing the ball as a 20 year old in AA, 3B-Wilmer Flores or Murphy’s best position was 3B. We had so many options there.

  • SCarton12

    A nice example of how top prospects don’t always work out.

  • Destry

    Actually Tejada has been among the worst SS in the game. We are so far behind defensively, that we don’t know what one looks like anymore. That’s why we needed Stephen Drew. He puts on a defensive show. Those plays the Tejada has to dive for are routine for him, and he makes a spectacular play, by his own standards 2 or 3 times a game.

  • Destry

    We are 15-11 with great pitching and defense, and we want to put an average to below average 3B at SS. We are our own worst enemy.

  • IndianaMet

    My source isn’t optimistic that Mike Puma will ever be taken seriously again. Loser

  • Destry

    He is hitting .256 1 HR at Vegas. What does that translate to at Citi Field? He isn’t a 1B either, not yet at least. Maybe in 5 years when he gets stronger and matures physically, but right now he is not this big time masher everyone has somehow convinced themselves that he is.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I am curious who on here has actually seen Flores play SS in Vegas. I see a lot of people writing how he can or cannot do the job and yet has anyone seen him. I asked Teddy and he said the feed from Vegas isnt great so it wasnt exactly clear to him.

    So has anyone seen him or is it just a case people are spouting off crap they know nothing about?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Have you seen him play SS in Vegas?

    How do you know what he can do?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Maybe he is hitting .256 because he is concentrating on getting reacquainted with a new position.

  • SCarton12

    Exactly why they should have left him at 2nd or 3rd.

  • oleosmirf

    Duda has been our best hitter this season not named Lagares. He’s playing…

  • Taskmaster4450

    Plus it isnt certain Flores can play SS.

  • BarnRat

    Teddy’s right, the Vegas feed is sort of lame and completely one-dimensional (imagine my surprise).

  • BadBadLeroyBrown
  • Taskmaster4450

    “Evaluation of a draft this early is like evaluating your 401k the day
    you open it as a finished product. It just doesn’t make any sense.”

    Excellent analogy.

  • Run Support Group

    Hi, Task.

    Over at AA one of the commenters (who I assume watches Flores on TV) records all of his defensive plays. Here’s a link to the first part.

    http://astromets.blogspot.com/2014/04/wilmer-flores-defense-report-1.html?m=1

  • jason bay

    Pittsburgh and Cinn have gotten less out of SS than we have.

  • mr. belvedere

    he hasn’t played SS in over 2 years and has 6 errors already…I hope he can handle but I don’t think so and he’s already really slow and only getting bigger

  • Taskmaster4450

    Why do that? 2B and 3B are covered for the next couple years as it stands now.

    If he can handle SS, that is a position he could help the Mets this season if Tejada falls short (no pun intended).

  • MyasDaddy

    Hey Task- OT: The real Aaron Harang is pitching tonight- FYI

  • Peter S

    1 month of baseball at 21 mind you, does not equal a career. He has hit everywhere and raked all of last year. The kid can hit. But we will neve know at ML level unless they give him a shot.

  • Peter S

    I can’t imagine he is any worse than Peralta is.

  • Taskmaster4450

    And according to reports, many of those errors were attributed to the fact that Flores is working his way back into the position.

    As I said, I havent seen him so I am only going based upon the reports. It would help if someone on here actually saw him at SS.

  • Peter S

    Lol the Mets are probably not the source on this one. It would only hurt them more if they announce this.

  • Run Support Group

    Well when you’re a flyball pitvher with HR/FB rate of 0.0 and a BABIP against of .209, you are going to regress

  • Taskmaster4450

    Or it could be the real Miami offense is back at it again.

    They rang up 9 on Atlanta last night.

    Going to be tough when the Mets get to Miami next week…they seem to love to hit in that park.

    As for Harang, he was incredible for 4 starts…that cant be denied. See if he can bounce back. The Braves will be in trouble if their pitching falters without their lineup picking things up which two straight shutouts shows it isnt.

  • Peter S

    You mean if we all formed our opinions based on what we saw rather than what we think? Come on now lol.

  • SCarton12

    I would love to have Drew over Tejada, for 15 million from 7/1/14 till the end of 2015.

  • Peter S

    True but considering not one person here has seen him play SS, the report is causin the rutkus.

  • BarnRat

    If the Mets hadn’t wasted ST not playing him at SS, they and we might have a better idea

  • Peter S

    Let’s go rangers!

  • Peter S

    Weird

  • BigAl831

    Against lefties?

    No he’s not.

  • BigAl831

    No it isn’t.

    But it’s becoming pretty evident that none of our options can exactly play SS at a very high level.

  • could be the .934 fielding % and the fact that he isn’t hitting. We already have a SS who isn’t hitting and who fields a helluva lot better than that

  • Taskmaster4450

    Which means the bar is set low.

    I am optimistic Flores can handle at least as well as Tejada (and some of the other SS in the league). But without seeing him, I have no way of knowing other than some of the reports which are all over the place.

  • Guest

    Thoughts on Philip Evans and Matt Reynolds? Do either of them have a change to make the MLB team next year at SS?

  • mr. belvedere

    Idk if anyone has noticed but Dom Smith has raised his average like 70 points the past week and a half…looks like he’s starting to adjust to the level jump

  • Taskmaster4450

    Teddy was saying that is par for the course for Smith.

    He struggled to start last season and picked it up.

    I hope he shows enough at Savannah before the short season to remain there. I dont want to see him send down a level.

  • BigAl831

    Oh I don’t think he can handle ss as well as Tejada. Not even close in my opinion. I watched him all ST and have seen about 5 LV games. He has horrid footwork and he lacks that instinct that you want your shortstop to have. That quick first step and confidence when the ball is hit to you in a big spot. Maybe that’s just me that feel that way.

    But with all that said….his bat really intrigues me and with no good or even average defensive options in our system, I’m starting to feel like we have nothing to really lose by trying it. He may surprise everyone.

  • mr. belvedere

    as long as he keeps improving he’s gonna stick there…no way they’ll send him down…I’d be happy with anything over .240 at year’s end

  • Peter S

    He is going to be amazing. Might have lost him had the mets signed Bourn. Ewwww.

  • jason bay

    These are the players the Mets have drafted from 2005 – 2010 that did anything in the Majors

    2005 – Pelfrey, Niese, Parnell, Thole
    2006 – Joe Smith, Daniel Murphy
    2007 – Gee and Duda
    2008 – Davis
    2010 – Harvey

    These are the 1st – 5th rounders the world is still waiting on.

    2005 – Pellott, Butera
    2006 – Mulvey, Holdzkom, Holmes
    2007 – Kunz, Vineyard, Moviel, Rustich, Niesen, Clyne, Richard Lucas, Lutz.
    2008 – Havens, Holt, Rodriguez, Kirk, Ratliff, Doyle
    2009 – Matz, Shields, Ceciliano, Magnifico (DNS)
    2010 – Forsythe, Vaughn, den Dekker.

    Prior to 2005 there is only one player (Wright) so right now we have 5 players contributing to the team from the 2001-2010 drafts and you want to know where the guys are from 2011-2013?

    LOL.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Yeah 19 in A ball is quite a feat if he can pull it off.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Yeah and wouldnt have found out how good Lagares was in CF either.

    One of those where missing out on a player meant a win.

  • Peter S

    The mets did get screwed on that pick thing though.

  • Peter S

    That’s detail!

  • Scottydoeskno328

    yaya they said the same thing about Murphy and I think he’s playing an incredible 2nd base from when he first started playing the position. If Flores hits keep him at short but the kids gotta hit first. The range and footwork will come just like it did Murphy.

  • Alex Bodin

    Not enough pop to play 1b everyday is a silly comment and im tired of hearing it. You dont HAVE to have a 30+hr guy at 1st. If you asked me who id rather have up with risp between duda and flores, id pick flores everyday.

  • willywater88

    While this is not the most ideal option, this is fair. Baseball is a job and if Flores has what it takes, he will do just fine in this role.

  • BarnRat

    2-2 so far tonight

  • shouldaswung

    Andrus is ready now, and Baez and Lee are too. Some of the other guys will be ready by next spring, and the rest by midseason of next year, hopefully.

    I am willing to wait IF that is the best deal we can swing. IF Drew was willing to sign with us for the rest of 2014, and through 2015, for a reasonable-ish contract, I would be ok with him as a stopgap option.

    My point, Dave, was about getting a young SS who can provide an impact (when he arrives) and possibly be a star.

  • willywater88

    Satin made light work out of AAA ball so he’s been where Campbell is. I don’t buy that Campbell can play an adequate SS so they are essentially the same player. Satin actually spent most of his minor league career as a second baseman I believe so he will not be out of place at any bag.

    Throw in the fact that Satin has shown he can play well as a pinch hitter, I’d like to keep him.

  • jaygreen55

    Why not?

  • BigAl831

    Campbell can play outfield and second base.

    I’m fine with Satin but I think it’s safe to say Campbell does provide the option of 4 or 5 positions as opposed to 2, maybe 3.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I’m wondering who Puma’s source is. I’ve lost trust in him even since the Colon article.

  • jason bay

    Well since we have already played our last game in the month of April I suppose we can say that the perpetually pessimistic purveyors of doom and gloom were a little off in their prognostications.

    15-11, 4 games over having played 13 games against three of the best pitching staffs in the NL (Wash, Atl and St. Louis)

    Not bad.

    Now with four against Colorado, 3 with Miami and 3 with Philly there is every reason to be hopeful that we enter the 4 game home and home Vs. the Yankees at no worse than 21-15 and then onto the 2nd place showdown in Washington.

    The next three series are critical to put us in a position to really be playing for something in the Subway and Nat series which can be a damn good week of baseball and a springboard to something.

  • jaygreen55

    Shoot the messenger if you don’t like the message. Isn’t that how it works?

  • jason bay

    Free agency should be used ONLY for the cream of the crop. The Vlad’s, Beltran’s, Stantons….

    You simply CANNOT fork over draft picks for book marks. It makes no sense on any level to give up a 1st rounder for a player like Bourn. If you want a guy like that trade for him like Houston and Atlanta did or Pittsburgh and Boston did for Bay or the Yankees did for Granderson.

    Incidentally the guy the Braves took with the supplemental rounder they got for Bourn (Jason Hursh) is looking really good in AA.

  • Djmurphy

    I’ve seen Flores play live this season and he looks a lot more athletic. Once he gets the mental side down he will be much better off. Not knowing what he’s doing with the ball before he fields it has cost him.

  • mr. belvedere

    are you sure about that? if anyone should be playing 1B without pop it’s Murphy…just because Flores had a 9 RBI his first week in last year doesn’t mean he’s some RBI machine

  • Waz0787

    Thank You. I think he is is highly overrated. Please end the discussion of flores playing SS for the mets not happening as long as alderson is in charge

  • this should be good. What does Anderson have against Flores playing SS?

  • jason bay

    I cannot see Reynolds before July 2015, IF he continues to hit the way he has, which is only the 2nd good hitting month he’s had in pro baseball so far and Evans ETA (if ever) would likely be July 2016 at the absolute earliest.

    Great to see them both off to such good starts though.

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    Missing out, or maybe the GM making a smart decision in deciding not to pursue.

  • jason bay

    Pure educated guess on my part but I think Alderson’s involvement with Bourn was simply to stir up some interest and publicity in the team or to mollify Jeff who probably had ants in the pants looking at pre season ticket sales.

    I think Jeff got his way this year but it still goes on Alderson;s ledger.

  • mad met

    Bambi while batting clean up dear in headlights he almost had me fooled almost i was on the verge of rooting for him not gonna happen bambi

  • jason bay

    That doesn’t make any sense.

    Your supposed to know what to do with the ball before you get it and Flores has been playing SS a long time.

  • mad met

    I screamed not to sign both those bums way before they sucked a$$…. when u sign second level players to big money you get what u deserve second level results in granny’s case third level results god tjis guy sucks

  • Waz0787

    Don’t know. I wrote exactly what the title said. Personally I am not a flores fan. That’s me speaking. He has no position

  • Alex Bodin

    He had been an rbi machine his whole career, check the stats

  • skiplockweird

    we signed so many second tier free agents, that cost us draft picks

  • Rocky Thompson

    A lot more credible than an un-named source simply saying Mets are not optimistic.

  • jason bay

    Bad luck with the rainout.

    It means Colon pitches in Colorado (not much difference than Philly) but also that Niese misses Colorado who are not as good against LHP and gets the Fish who have been killing it.

    Niese is the type of pitcher that does well in Denver.

  • mad met

    Duda did bat cleanup .bambi looked like a deer in headlights dude has no heart stood there begging for a walk with two men on base he is a 240 lbs sissy girl

  • SCarton12

    Because he needs to hit in order to keep his tfade value high and SS is hurting his offense.

  • Peter S

    Yeah I completely agree. My only point is that pick should have been protected. If they take anothe great arm this year, think about what that does for them going forward.

  • astoriacub

    MOAR RBIz is a terrible method of evaluating any player. Period.

  • oleosmirf

    My bad.

  • Peter S

    Even if Bourn worked out, where was that team going anyhow?

  • CJM

    .810 career OPS batting cleanup. But keep making inaccurate statements.

  • Peter S

    I will be the first to admit that making those moves when you are in a win now mode like the 2006-2009 teams is fine. Doing it when your team stinks, not so good.

  • Taskmaster4450

    So Teddy, based upon what you could see, does Flores look like he can hack it defensively at SS.

  • DrewC

    The questions is would Duda save him on these throws? He is been alright picking this year.

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  • Taskmaster4450

    Teddy,

    From what you have seen, terrible feed and all, do you think Flores can hack it defensively at SS?

  • Waz0787

    Matz had control problems tonight. Who is this knapp dude? He is been brilliant so far in savannah.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Ok thanks.

  • mets4lyfe

    You have to remember, he’s still learning to command all three of his pitches. He’ll have outings like this where he walks 3+ batters. It’s all a learning curve.

  • mets4lyfe

    “85-93 mph”

    Quite a range there from Knapp. Hopefully he can get his mechanics straightened out so there isn’t such a huge gap between his fastball velocity range.

  • mets4lyfe

    You think he might be throwing cutters and sinkers that are getting categorized as 4-seam fastballs?

  • BarnRat

    Teddy is the guy on this, but if a confirming vote is useful, agree

  • Martin

    right on thatnks so much. i am out of the country (medellin) and i was gonna illegally stream the met game, but not that it is rained out i am gonna listen to this. cheers, thanks alot.

  • HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH UNNAMED SOURCES WITHIN THE METS ORGANIZATIONS! I am so tired of this crap, from this team. First off a scout just said the other day he has looked good at short, that his range has increased and basically all he needs to do is get over the yips… Now we have another unnamed source OMG! Does it ever end with this team? It’s like a High School Cheer leading squad? Also Mike Puma is currently about as credible as the boy who cried wolf right about now. Lastly as far as Wilmer’s bat goes he started the season in a slump and of late has been batting over .300 you would think Puma would know this… Guess he is too busy writing fat jokes about Bartolo Colon. Sorry but, I give Puma’s tweet no credibility at all!

  • Bail4Nails

    Okay, so Tejada’s probably sticking around a little while. I would’ve liked to see Flores at least get a shot. Questions:
    1) Is Flores going to be packaged in a trade, or held as Murphy insurance for next year?
    2) Does Muno have a shot at SS?
    3) Can Matt Reynolds be called up to AAA yet?

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    Why are we listening to what Puma of the Post says? He’s a D-bag that writes for a tabloid.

  • Metsfan27

    Mike Puma is no longer a credible reporter, IMO

  • Djmurphy

    Muno may be a utility guy down the road. Reynolds is probably still a year away but he’s solid. He has an advanced bat and will develop more power. I’m tired of people saying he’s a 3rd baseman he played third in college cause he got hurt n the guy who filled in did well. He also has a great arm and good bat he went to third for the good of the team. He was drafted as a SS. Don’t give up on Flores I think once the plays become second nature he will be at SS for the mets.

  • Hotstreak

    No rain out at MSG: NY beats Phila. 2-1 in Game 7.

  • Hotstreak

    We just saw the Miami SS. Who would you rather have?

  • goorru

    I understand why the players are upset at Puma but why are some of you mad at him? We were all making the same jokes he was making.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Only we get to make fun of our players.

  • mr. belvedere

    Dom is only 18, some power hitters in the MLB now struggled to hit HR’s in Rookie ball

  • Mario Gonzalez

    PHEW!!!!

  • mr. belvedere

    Can one of these journalists get a “leak” or lead on who the PTBNL is on the Ike deal, that’s what I want to know

  • Mario Gonzalez

    That would require actual work. How dare you?!?!?!?

  • LordoftheMets

    As a morbidly obese Mets fan, I take great offense to Puma’s comments. Why should I suffer the long lines at the concessions when I could barely fit in my seat? Shake Shack needs to start delivering. Why should he ridicule us? I didn’t eat anything to deserve this.

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Hey Teddy, any idea why Flores and Puello are out and Brandon Allen and Andrew Brown are starting??

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    No, I don’t believe I defended TDA’s performance. I did defend him when Alex68 kept insisting people called him the next Johnny Bench, but that’s not the same thing.

    And the “you couldn’t do it” defense it one of the dumbest possible arguments when a player is going poorly. If only major league players are allowed to talk about other players, then kindly delete your account. haha.

    And now you’ve got a new excuse for him…Alan Dykstra. It’s his fault. You’re proving my point by making up yet another excuse. Dykstra has played his entire career at the same position, so how is he more position-less? But yes, Flores’ SS issues are Dykstra’s fault.

    Please. Let’s stop making excuses for the kid. If he can’t play shortstop, he can’t do it. Not the end of the world.

  • mr. belvedere

    I agree on that, I commented above about how I want Flores to be able to handle SS but I just don’t think he can…but I would love for Flores to come up later this year or begin next year as a better version of Satin to platoon with Duda and get time at the other 3 infield spots

  • mr. belvedere

    also teddy, I’ve been meaning to ask your opinion on if you think there’s any chance we sign Drew after the draft for say this year and next…I think it’s a great play

  • Mario Gonzalez

    Thanks.

  • mr. belvedere

    If you had to guess, who do you think it is?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’d say there are a few people who have seen him. And even if not, that’s still their choice to get all pissy because some anonymous source says something.

  • mr. belvedere

    that’s who I’m hoping it is

  • mr. belvedere

    He probably is but right now I’d start it off as a platoon because Duda is producing and playing a solid 1B…see if Flores can force his way into more playing while getting better adapted to 1B defensively

  • Martin

    also syndergaard is pitching great, having only given up one run on his own error. no earned runs. thor is a beast.

  • blaiseda

    Oh please. Does anyone even believe Mike Puma. Hits obvious based on his non apologetic, apology…. he hates the Mets and thrives on their failure. It makes him feel important. He also cant really write well about sports, so he needs failure to make him look better and he can spend hi stime not informing us more about the team and the game we love but by making FAT jokes. Wow.. didnt we all stop doing that in high school?
    So he will do anything to help make them fail including “faking” a leaked report from the Mets front office. He wants to cause controversy and destroy the moral of a potentially good ballplayer.

  • Jgreen

    Besides this twit is written by Puma, Flores is having to much error as SS. Mets need SS who is better than Tejada at every matter and I don’t think Flores is ready as SS yet. He might needs more than a season to be ready.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    This season, half his errors are fielding. The rest are obviously throwing. I didn’t see them so I don’t know whether the fault was Flores’ for the first baseman’s. All I can go is off the box score and that blames Flores for them. If you have tape and want to watch them, please let me know. But if not, then blaming the first baseman without even seeing them and just assuming it’s not Flores’ fault because “he’s usually very accurate” seems painfully silly.

    That you chose to counter my statements that fans are making a ton of excuses for Flores by making yet another, and brand new, excuse just proves my point.

  • Sach

    Thanks Teddy.

  • Sach

    I’m curious how a beat reporter on the outs gets a “scoop” like this over Rubin who is a pest and a brown-nose. Doesn’t make much sense.

  • mr. belvedere

    Looks like Lagares is just picking up where he left off before the injury…hitting .500 and gunning down guy at first for a DP tonight

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Maybe we should start preparing ourselves for the possibility that Flores can’t play SS instead of blaming everyone and every thing BUT Flores himself.

    To your credit, I haven’t seen anyone blame Dykstra before you so kudos on that one.

    I’m waiting for someone to tell me it has to do with the rotation of the Earth or the phases of the moon.

  • lareplus

    Reynolds is looking better all the time. . .it would be GREAT to fill that position from within the organization! Anyone seen him play???

  • lareplus

    Didi. . .

  • lareplus

    I’d like to see Campbell get a shot atv it while Flores is learning first at AAA. . .and meanwhile trade for Didi for short. . .maybe next year its Reynolds if Didi shows himself to be a super sub. .

  • lareplus

    I agree. . .if he could hit like Keith that would be great. . .or Olerud!

  • DrDooby

    Regardless of the source, is anyone surprised ? If you had polled 100 MLB scouts prior to this winter whether Flores has the defensive ability to be a major league SS, you’d probably have received 100 clear “no” answers. Opinion would have been split 50-50 whether Flores can be adequate enough at 2b.

    If Flores can be an adequate 2b and also fake it at SS in a pinch, that’d be a great outcome. He certainly can’t and won’t be the starting SS of the next Mets playoff (contending) team.
    Suggestion to Sandy Alderson & Co – do one of these:
    – sign Stephen Drew as a free agent
    – trade for Didi Gregorius at AAA Reno
    – trade for Hak Ju Lee (TB), though he’s currently on the DL for AAA Durham
    – trade for Nick Franklin at AAA Tacoma
    – trade for Josh Rutledge, the main backup for Troy Tulowitzki at COL
    – make an early trade for Asdrubal Cabrera with Cleveland off to a slow start (11-17) and Cabrera as well (.627 OPS – which is still far ahead of Ruben Tejada,of course)

    Each of these 6 would seem to be available short term. And each of these 6 would be a significant upgrade over Ruben Tejada either offensively or defensively or both. Regardless of who it is. Wilmer Flores is more likely to eventually displace Lucas Duda at 1b than he is to displace Tejada as the starting SS, realistically.

  • DrDooby

    Also wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one of the lefties, Blake Taylor (2nd round) or Cody Dickson (4th round)…

  • DrDooby

    Smith hasn’t even turned 19 yet. He’s generally competing vs. players between 2 and 4 years older than him. The key for him will be adjusting to the speed of the game at this level which is way faster than what it used to be for him in HS Ball or even the complex league last fall.

  • DrDooby

    Reynolds yes. Evans no. Evans – from all accounts – also won’t have the defensive ability to be a viable option at SS defensively.
    Reynolds could come pretty fast now. He turns 24 later this year and should be in the mix next spring. Of course, he does not project as a 1st division caliber starting SS either.

    In all likelihood, the 2015 Mets starting SS is not in the organization right now.

  • DrDooby

    Its regression to the mean. Harang got off to a great start, well beyond what he has ever done before, especially in recent years. That wasn’t going to keep going…

  • Mike

    I don’t believe anything mike puma says, especially considering his sources are anonymous and the fact that the mets totally embarrased him over his ridiculous and juvenile column about colon. He has an axe to grind and is looking to create drama surrounding mets. Did it with Ike, did it w/colon and doing it w/flores. Regardless somebody needs to replace tejada he’s an automatic out in this already fragile lineup.

  • Mike

    I wasn’t I don’t really think they’re funny and im a thin built guy, but c’mon fat jokes? What is this High school? He’s large but it’s not like he’s 350 lbs up there. He’s still athetic and good at his craft. Even when Josh lewin jokes about it I roll my eyes but then again I roll my eyes at all of josh lewin’s “jokes”

  • Destry

    Its not like we are gonna spend the money on someone else. If its a one year deal, or a two year deal, we aren’t preventing ourselves from signing anyone else. Our pitching doesn’t get expensive until 2 years after that.

  • Nolrog

    I got the impression that the player was agreed to (some said it was a solid player or not a throw in) and not someone contingent on production.

  • Nolrog

    I agree. Put him at third or first, and let him produce. Then we have protection against Wright going down, or Duda imploding and the worst case is that we trade him to someone who needs corner IF but has a corner OF to spare.

  • Nolrog

    There are many of those players still on the roster from the previous regime though. Flores, Duda, Murphy were all Omar guys. Alderson is still playing some cards that were on the table before he joined.

  • Nolrog

    Plus, Drew will still require draft pick compensation. The stupid rule they put in place is hurting those guys.

  • MyasDaddy

    Good morning Everyone! Happy Lagares Day! #PlayinCFeveryday!

  • Agee’s Catch

    .264 is a less than auspicious start. But he started slow.
    Last 10 games he’s hitting .306.

  • Shea2citi

    Some unnamed source said something bad about everyone’s favorite prospect. All hell is gonna break loose now.

  • Matt

    That’s because the Mets think that Ruben Tejada is the next Ozzie Smith.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I don’t know what you mean.

    But the fact is that these errors are being charged to Flores, not Dykstra, so unless you contest the scoring, it’s really silly to go around this thread blaming Dykstra.

    I wish they’d put Flores at SS just so he’d either sink or swim and we can put this stuff to bed because the excuses being used for this kid are just ridiculous.

  • SCarton12

    I am only telling you what I think he is worth to the Mets. That number is actually higher than I think his real value is. Unfortunately, Boras wants a lot more than that. Any player that choose Boras as an agent, is a player that wants top dollar. What do you think the Mets should offer?

  • Not4

    That was great. Thanks

  • jaygreen55

    Wow. If you don’t like the message shoot the messenger

  • willywater88

    Just because they put Campbell in the OF doesn’t mean he plays it well.

  • Destry

    2/24 with a prorated 1st year at 6mil, but I think he will most likely get multiple bids after the draft. We missed our opportunity.