Lost In Translation: Zack Wheeler Stands and Delivers

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What an incredible start to the Mets season as they head to Philadelphia with a 14-11 record, good enough for second place in the very tough National League East.

The hits have been scant, the runs have been scarce, but this team keeps chugging along. “If you have the pitching, anything can happen,” David Wright said after Sunday’s win over the Marlins. “You don’t necessarily need a juggernaut offense to win games.”

For the first time since they left Big Shea for ultra-modern Citi Field, the Mets are playing the kind of baseball their new park was built for – Pitching, Speed and Defense. What an incredibly novel approach, right?

So far, the Mets seem to possess an embarrassment of riches in the rotation, with some clutch performances from Bartolo Colon, Jon Niese, Jenrry Mejia and yesterday’s hero, Dillon Gee.

But lost in all the hubbub was what might have been an incredible breakthrough performance by our young righthander, Zack Wheeler.

Hidden behind Wheeler’s no-decision on Friday was a dominant six-inning effort, and by far his best outing of the season.

Wheeler held the Marlins to one run, while allowing just four singles and three walks, and striking out 10. It was only the second double-digit strikeout performance of his career and his first one this season.

More important than the number of strikeouts was when Wheeler got them ,which was when he needed them the most.

“You know you’ve got to make big pitches at certain points in the game. That’s what I did,” said Wheeler after the game.

I loved the way he battled the Marlins throughout the game, and for me the highlight of his performance was when he got in trouble in the sixth and final inning. After singles by Casey McGehee and Garrett Jones put runners on first and third with one out, Wheeler dug deep within himself and fanned the next two batters Derek Dietrich and Adeiny Hechavarria to escape the jam. “That’s a big part of my game, bearing down when I have to,”

The moment wasn’t lost on manager Terry Collins.

“That was a big inning for him,” Collins said. “There are times when you grow in the game when you’re faced with some situations where you have to reach down inside and get out of it.”

Great outing, great game, great series, great homestand. Let’s go take it to the Phillies.

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  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Be careful. This site is getting a little to optimistic for some people.

  • Zalmen

    Haha it won’t hurt if those people leave this site for good

  • Alex68

    “You don’t necessarily need a juggernaut offense to win games.”

    LMAO!!! Ohhh boy…. the pitching better be prepare to carry this team… offensively things aren’t gonna get any better anytime soon…

  • Alex68

    6 innings 110 innings… Battle and battle and got trough, kudos on that… but man, does he remind me of John Maine at best or what!?!?

  • CJM

    I mean, it’s true. Teams can win on essentially pitching alone. But it is very, very hard to make the playoffs without a good offense.

  • CJM

    If he can stay healthy and duplicate John Maine’s 2007 season year in and year out, that’d be great.

  • Mike15

    He made it through six in his last start if you read the article or watched the game…. No runs, 10 Ks. I’d say that’s a pretty solid delivery.

  • John Maine? LOL you are something else.

  • HillsideAve

    April wins count. We got a little lucky, caught some teams at the right time, added a little smoke and mirrors, and have an improbable record after 25 games. And I am shocked, and pleased.
    I hope Zack builds on this outing, and continues to throw more strikes. And I still want a new SS. But hey, we’re going to Filthy-Town and I really enjoy hating that team. And DW loves to hit there…..I predict he will continue that trend. LGM.

  • James H.

    I’ll be impressed when he learns to throw strikes and doesn’t labor through every inning. yes, he escaped without allowing any damage but always pitching with runners on base will come back to bite you more often than not, no matter how talented you are.

  • skiplockweird

    I am not saying he is Dwight Gooden, But Gooden was 9-9 after his 1st 18 decisions.

  • skiplockweird

    I’m in line!

  • SouthlandMetsFan

    He’s pitched at least six innings in every game except the one in Atlanta!

    And I think he’s only started, what, 25 games or so?

    Let’s not go nuts either way with the kid. He’s shown some flashes, and he’s only 23.

  • Waz0787

    Murphy to the yankees for judge and bichette jr?

  • Alex68

    LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow……. Gooden????
    Lord….. Just lord….

  • Alex68

    Someone mention Dwight Gooden above, i expect YOU to say the same thing to that person…. so….

  • Alex68

    14-11 has a lot of people (SL) ready to taste that champagne…… man…

  • Lotus1209

    lol lets just take it one step at a time… if the champagne is close in september we should ALLLLL be happy and all the naysayers should eat crow for doubting this team.

  • Helloboy

    with 2 wild cards, this is not really that true anymore. At least, getting to a play in game. It is much harder to do it with a good offense and no pitching.

    The Mets have some guys who can hit. Once CY settles in and his power starts coming more, i think people will see the offense change.

  • Helloboy

    Wheeler is a better version of Mike Pelfrey. His stuff is more dynamic, but he has similar issues with too many pitches and obsessed with trying to put people away.

  • sperry

    Yea I mean the Mets were .500 in Harvey’s starts, so you can win. But you’re not going to go far losing 1-0 and 2-1 games over and over.

  • Helloboy

    you want to trade Murphy for a judge and a bitchslap? I am all in favor, especially if the victim is Jimmy Rollins.

  • KEITH

    Beats 7-18.

  • CJM

    Interesting point, and based on last year, seemingly very accurate, especially in the NL. The 6 playoff teams from the NL gave up the fewest runs in the league. It’s worth noting, that they were all also decent offensively. The best way to win is a strong balance between pitching and offense. But I’m curious to see how your statement about the two wildcards making it easier to make it on pitching alone as the game moves forward, especially in the NL (for as long as there is no DH in the NL).

  • Helloboy

    Wheeler has great stuff. He reminds me of a better version of Mike Pelfrey. He throws too many pitches and needs to stop fearing contact. His stuff is good enough that hitters will still get out. He needs to understand that IP is a bit more important to a team than K’s, especially if the ERA would be the same.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Bah! Bunch of Sandy Lovers over at ESPN.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/powerrankings

  • Alex68

    I will eat crow… i don’t mind eating it… but will the SL who are celebrating right now after a 14-11 be around here if things turn sour?? Like last 3 years, i don’t think so…

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    It really is fun watching the Mets play like the Mets, focused on pitching and defense. But man, they need to score some runs. The pressure on the pitchers right now to be perfect is not sustainable.

  • CJM

    On the other side of the coin, 4 runs per game, which was the NL average last year, should be enough to get a team with solid pitching to the playoffs. The Mets have a middling offense right now, based on runs scored.

  • Alex68

    Well, did you see Gooden when he came up??? please answer so i can go ahead and put that notion to rest…

  • Waz0787

    Until mets ACTUALLY Clinch a Playoff series. I am with you. This is the same organization that blew a huge lead in september not once but TWICE with our captain on the team. People need to, calm down.

  • KEITH

    What would make the Mets a playoff team, Alex. Instead of complaining, enlighten.

  • CJM

    Just a small correction, but Gooden was actually only 9-8 to start his career. And he was still much more dominant based on strikeouts and walks. Wheeler’s big issue has been the pitch count and failing to put batters away quickly. He needs to do two things: 1) develop a strikeout pitch and 2) learn to pitch to contact early in counts.

  • Guest

    I think you could have found someone other than pelfrey to compare him to

  • Tomthetinker

    I hate off days!

  • CJM

    He does have great stuff. But he’s still very raw. He reminds me a little bit of an early AJ Burnett, who would oftentimes reach 100, 110, 120 pitches by the 5th or 6th inning and struggled with walks. Burnett also had a lot of trouble striking guys out early in his career, even with excellent stuff. Burnett never really did reach his full potential though. Hopefully Wheeler will.

  • Alex68

    John Maine first 22 start for the mets:

    11-5 2.90 ERA 130 IP 42 ER 108 SO 51 BB 93 HITS 1.21 WHIP

    Wheeler’s carrer in 22 starts:

    8-7 3.55 ERA 129 IP 51 ER 115 SO 57 BB 121 HITS 1.376 WHIP

    Please, don’t disrespect legends like Gooden who was on a different planet at the time of his arrival..

  • agetting

    Sandy dropped the ball

  • TPT

    YOU JUST GOT TO LOVE THIS RIGHT? Apparently angry about an article in the New York Post on Friday about Bartolo Colon under the headline “LARDBALL,” the players would not talk to the media until Post writer Mike Puma left the clubhouse. Puma was asked to leave and did so without incident. Within a minute, several Mets appeared in the clubhouse. The team would not comment on the incident. – See more at: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/mets-protest-new-york-post-after-unflattering-article-about-bartolo-colon-.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments
  • Helloboy

    I tried to find a Met comparison, but your comparison to Burnett is much, much better.

  • Alex68

    Having a new GM..

  • Helloboy

    I just want to add this as OT. While i think it is not really true (I can point to the Islanders ownership and several others i think should be in the running), the people who say that the Wilpons are the worst owners in professional sports must apologize. Thanks to Donald Sterling, we now know that this is not even close to true.

  • dealingwithidiots

    Aren’t all Mets fans suppose to be ready/wanting to taste champagne? So now, people that are happy the team is winning are Sandy Lovers? Funny I always thought of them as Mets fans, but I guess that would be mature, a concept you just don’t get.

  • dealingwithidiots

    Another one, this team has been bad for longer than three years , or doesn’t only count because of haters like you?

  • TPT

    hey Joe D.. why do you even bother when guys like alex68 just throw out nonsense ? some posts dont even deserve a reply

  • Lotus1209

    You’re a little late sir, old news

  • dealingwithidiots

    “I am not saying he is Dwight Gooden” What part of I AM NOT do you not understand?

  • dealingwithidiots

    Was the 69 team an offensive juggernaut?

  • jason bay

    About 118 out of the 122 North American professional sports franchises.

  • Alex68

    I am very happy… every time we win i am one of the first one posting LGM in here… however, have you seen the comments today?

  • Denelor

    He’s completed six innings or more roughly 65% of the time in his major league career.

    But don’t let facts stand in your way. You own that soap box.

  • dealingwithidiots

    I have. Clearly you haven’t or your reading comprehension is just that bad.

  • TPT

    WHEN YOUR PLATES BEEN EMPTY FOR YEARS AND SOMEONE PUTS A FEW TASTY MORSELS ON IT ….YOU EAT IT UP WITH DELIGHT..sorry you just dont get it

  • CJM

    Honestly Alex68’s John Maine comparison also isn’t terrible. But I think Wheeler’s ceiling is higher. Wheeler’s stuff is definitely better overall. Off the top of my head, I also looked up Jason Isringhausen’s stats from his time as a starter with the Mets. He was another guy who gave up too many hits and walks, while struggling to strike batters out early in his career. Of course, we don’t know what Isringhausen would’ve become had he been able to remain a starter his whole career.

    It’s worth noting, too, that Wheeler’s not terrible when it comes to strikeout numbers. He averaged 7.6/9 last year and is averaging 9/9 this year. The biggest issue he has, I think, is that it will take him too many pitches to get each strikeout, and I think his high hits/9 stat makes him wary of pitching to contact, which results in high pitch counts.

  • Victor

    If you’re here to complain that the team is winning, you aren’t a fan. Move along.

  • TPT

    that kinda happens when your a die hard Met fan living in Anaheim.CA. BUT LGM ps you still got to love this team unity ..im liking what im seeing so far

  • jason bay

    LOL,

    Wonder why Alex left off Maine’s first 11 starts in the Majors at ages 23 and 24 when coming up with this “comparison.”

    Oh, that’s right, Must have been the 7.00+ ERA.

    As always the Minister of Misinformation .

  • Taskmaster4450

    They arent the worst owners in professional sports…hell with Dolan, they might not even be the worst in NY.

    But they are near the bottom:

    Sterling
    Loria
    Dolan
    Wilpons

    Does it matter who really brings up the rear in that group?

  • Denelor

    I’m pretty sure there are a few people here just to complain winning, losing or otherwise.

    Maybe Mike Puma has multiple accounts?

  • Denelor

    Hey look everyone. The old cop out answer.

  • QueensRussell

    And, Alex, you would prefer to sip…battery acid now?

  • mets4lyfe

    Best comparison for Wheeler is A.J Burnett. Worst case scenario is Edwin Jackson.

  • Victor

    Simplistic and wrong, just like you.

  • Denelor

    The nay sayers shouldn’t necessarily eat crow, even if the team is in contention in September. Regardless how well they do, this team has serious, legitimate holes in its construction.

    Even if they went to the playoffs and made some noise, they’re doing it in spite of those holes.

    Although I think some people are just determined to be negative no matter the outcome.

  • At least Dolan doesn’t take huge financial gambles and squanders the teams fortunes.I’ll take mismanagement with money over mismanagement with no money any day.

  • Alex68

    Ohh man, i must leave now because of this internet tough guy is telling me to do so….

  • Denelor

    It’s called Anti-Kool-Aid. Duh.

  • Lotus1209

    Every team has holes. If they win a World Series despite these holes who the hell cares? Not sure where your point is

  • Alex68

    Compare to this circus show? yes…. yes it was.. mind you, the 69 team had one of the greatest pitcher of all time, but yeah, go ahead and compare the 2… lol…

  • QueensRussell

    Any you know we will not produce offensively–how?

    I know your modus is to be contrarian. That’s fine. Stay skeptical, but I think 2014 is a little different from what 2010-2013 brought us. We all have to be results oriented, no doubt. Let’s also be honest: we mostly did not expect to see the claiber of Mets baseball we’ve seen till this point, so it feels good, and I’m going to try to stay as positive as possible.

  • mets4lyfe

    I’m not a huge advocate of this comparison since Wheeler at a younger age possesses a much better slider and curveball. Moreover, you’re comparing each pitcher at different ages. Maine from 2006-2007 was 25 and 26, respectively. On the other hand, Wheeler turns 24 at the end of May.

  • Hotstreak

    I’ll take Ed Charles, Cleon Jones, Tommy Agee and Don Clendenon over Wright, Grandy, CY and Duda anyday and six times on Sunday.

  • QueensRussell

    Wasn’t Maine a better hitter?

  • TPT

    BETTER TOPIC IS…how all of you were so quick to TRADE WHEELER OR GEE last week as if they were leftover pieces AND when i said AAA pitchers are still AAA until they prove themselves in the majors and YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH STARTING PITCHING you dont trade WHEELER OR GEE you all gave me well you know what .. a four letter word that starts with S and and ends with a T….so are you all so ready to trade either guy for your AAA 2nd baseman playing SS who last week was sent back to the minors? Franklin? just wondering ?

  • Alex68

    Lmao, here are some of the things i have heard today on the eve of our 14-11 start…. brace yourself….

    Sandy’s a genius (Shocker)
    Wheeler and Gooden in the same sentence…
    Nimmo and Mickey Mantle…. Yes, You heard that correct
    Playoffs
    Championship
    The 1969 Mets

    #LMAO

  • Taskmaster4450

    Alex doesnt understand anything that doesnt fit his agenda.

  • dealingwithidiots

    You really are simple aren’t you. No matter what any says, or doesn’t say your turn into “how dare you compare” or “Sandy Lover”. So you know, the 69 team won because of pitching, NOT, offensive. The answer is……..they were NOT an offensive juggernaut

  • agetting

    Wilpons are worse than Sterling though. One guy made discriminatory remarks completely off the record while others were involved in a money making Ponzi scheme that benefited off other people’s financial demise. The Donald Sterling thing is well overblown…these comments were made completely off the record.

  • Alex68

    at least i am not Captain Hindsight…. nor show up only when the team is winning so i can shove my GM down people’s throat as if he was some type of genius…

  • TPT

    you forgot to add ALEX68 and JACKAS* lol

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I mean, he said Nimmo physically looks like Mickey Mantle. Nothing about their abilities being the same, but okay.

  • Alex68

    CJM, he strikes out a lot because he barely gets out of the 6th inning… in retrospective, if you strike out 7 guys in 6 innings, that’ll give you a 10 SO per 9 ip… kinda like John Maine….

  • dealingwithidiots

    Oh good for you. Ed Charles hit .207 with 3 homeruns and 18 RBI’s that year.

  • Helloboy

    Depends on what you think is worse. I would rather the economic moron to a bigot.

  • Helloboy

    Wang is in NY and is worse than Dolan and Wilpon

  • reality check

    off the record or not, he said them in public and was heard.I hope the NBA forces Sterling out, there is no room for that anywhere. Just low class on his part

  • jaygreen55

    Alex
    It’s obvious that you think Sandy is the worst GM in Mets history (maybe 2nd after Joe Mcdonald) Who do you think was the best GM in Mets history?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    If the NBA commish actually gets Sterling out of the business, maybe it’s time we start bugging the Wilpons.

  • Hotstreak

    What is DW doing? He taking up 20 M so the cash poor Wilpons can’t sign Jose Aberu. ALL THE OTHER GUYS ARE WAY BETTER: Hey SANDY LOVERs 14-11 is nothing to get excited about.

  • Alex68

    Sigh……

  • Taskmaster4450

    Alex,

    Are you in politics because all you do is deal in lies, deception, and delusion?

    The Nimmo comment was based upon looks.
    The Gooden reference the poster even said that he wasnt comparing the two just their record in the first 20 games.

    But dont let the facts get in the way. We all know your entire outlook is crumbling down as we speak. For three years you and your ilk bashed and attacked based upon your own lack of understanding of what a long term outlook is. And here you are seeing different results. 1/6 of the way through the season with one of the toughest schedules in the last 15 years and the Mets not only are holding their own but they have a winning record.

    Time for you to fess up and admit you were wrong for three years and that a long term view versus short term hole filling is beyond your understanding.

  • Alex68

    And let me finish that up by adding: Thank you…. for reading… then commenting…

  • CJM

    You should also point out that his K/9 numbers are artificially inflated by Friday night’s start and his 12k/6 inning performance last year. If you remove those two starts, his career k/9 ratio drops from 8.0 to 7.15. Still, that’s not terrible. I mentioned that his inability to maintain a low pitch count and get deeper into games is his greatest weakness right now. He is very raw. There are no certainties with Wheeler. He has the stuff to become a front end starter, if he learns to hone it and starts to limit his walks. He could also end up in a bullpen down the road.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Oh one other thing, the eve of the 14-11 start would have been Saturday night….

    so were those comments you saw then?

  • Alex68

    That’s not even a question…. Cashen… trust me, McDonald was better than sandy..

  • Alex68

    so, are we supposed to forget that the last 3 years never happen because we’re 14-11???? Wow…..

  • sarge69

    Just waiting for Zack to take that next step and go deeper into games, 7th at least, while learning that at certain points in game you can allow team to make contact and use your defense, as Gee has done, to eliminate the high pitch counts while saving those strikeout bullets for important situations in game.

    Follow example of Verlander in Detroit.

  • dealingwithidiots

    You may think you heard them, but you are making up garbage, none of that happened, you’re just making crap up, are you that insecure that you just have to post to see your name on the screen, sad

  • metstastic

    One thing has nothing to do with the other.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    They’re both terrible owners and their respective teams would be better off without them.

  • CJM

    Sterling was a well-known scumbag long before these recordings came out. It was just 5 years ago that Sterling lost a huge housing discrimination lawsuit. I forget where I read it, perhaps it was a small passage in “The Worst Team Money Can Buy,” but Fred Wilpon was (past-tense) considered a good guy for a long time. He is an idiot who got bundled in a ponzi scheme, and if he even had a small inkling that Madoff was dirty, getting people involved in the scheme was an act of true scumminess. But there is a chance, albeit very small, that Wilpon was just an ignorant pawn, in which case he could actually be a nice guy who is an idiot. That’d be a different story compared to Sterling–one of the most notorious scumbags in sports ownership for a long time.

  • TPT

    all in fun Alex68 we are all entitled to our own opinions even you ….:)

  • Alex68

    Let them know task…. again, why the need to use STUPID comparision when they make no sense? Can you explain that to me???
    Someone said Mantle and Nimmo look alike.. in what planet they look alike? Mantle was barely 6 feet and was all muscle, nimmo is taller and skinnier.. maybe because they’re white? come on….
    Wheeler and Gooden??? Are you serious right now?? Gooden was striking out EVERYONE and their mother as soon as he came up, throwing GAS with a nasty, deadly and filthy Curve, is wheeler anything but a Maine clone at this point??
    I know you don’t like me, but i expect you to at least see my reasoning to lash out at some of these asinine and ridiculous comments… just because we’re 14-11…

  • billpulsipher

    Dolan spends money. he just spends it idiotically. But at least he spends, so I have him higher up than fred and jeff

  • Taskmaster4450

    I still dont have a ton of confidence in Wheeler. He is still too wild to be truly dominant. Within the strikezone, he doesnt have the control to pinpoint his pitches to get guys to swing and miss. It is great to pitch to contact but not when you are going 8 and 10 pitches in an AB. That pushes the pitch count up and gives the batter time to time you. Wheeler learned this with Heyward a couple of starts ago.

    He might have terrific stuff but the minors is littered with guys who have terrific stuff yet cant get major league hitters out. Wheeler doesnt give up a ton of hits but he also doesnt put guys away easily. It seems every start is a grind for him which means that big league hitters will most likely catch up.

    I posted the other day that Mejia strikes me as mentally weak at this time but that he is young and can get past it. The same with Wheeler. He can overcome these issues but at this moment, he is far from a dominant pitcher.

  • Alex68

    Again, they were carry by one of the best pitcher of ALL TIME!!! are you really this stupid??? We had a great manager, a great leader and a tremendous pitching staff with CLUTCH players…
    This team? nothing resemblance… if you wanna compare, go ahead and compare the 2014 mets with the 2013 mets.. Good pitching, poor hitting

  • Taskmaster4450

    Everyone is waiting for the next step. I think many of us were looking for a Harvey type jump which didnt come. No shame in that. Wheeler might progress upwards for a couple of years. Who knows?

    But domination isnt part of his routine at the moment. Let us hope it changes.

  • billpulsipher

    I would trade Wheeler for Stanton in 2 seconds

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’d say we’re just talking about varying degrees of scumbagary.

  • dealingwithidiots

    You can’t even be a little bit serious with that reply. Ok LOVER

  • CJM

    Well if Wilpon truly didn’t know what was going on with Madoff, I don’t know if I’d classify him as a scumbag. But that’s just semantics I guess.

  • CJM

    Yeah. I’d be mad if it took you a full 2 seconds to pull the trigger. The brain reacts in .2-.3 seconds.

  • CJM

    When the Wilpons had money to spend, their team was more relevant than the Knicks.

  • TPT

    thats a nice post but i dont think the the Article were commenting on said anything about Wheeler being a dominant pitcher (at least not yet) im sure what i read was how he had great stuff against the Marlins

  • dealingwithidiots

    What part of they won because of PITCHING do you not get, you ARE that stupid, you are now arguing just to argue. I’m telling you they won because of pitching, and you’re say NO they won because they had the greatest pitcher – seriously you can’t make this up.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Scumbag. Moron. Yes, semantics. I’d say Wilpons are at least scumbags for what they’ve done since Madooff.

    And for the record, I don’t think they knew about Madoff or, if they did, they didn’t believe it.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Anyone with half a brain would do that. If they’re willing to pay Stanton also, I’d give up Syndergaard.

  • CJM

    What have they done since Madoff that diminishes them, in your opinion?

  • PessiMets

    Wheeler pitched good his last time out, I still expect better from him, however ill take what he’s been giving us so far! Just stay healthy and he’ll b fine. Btw it sucks that we have an off day I wasn’t able to watch the game yesterday and was looking forward to some mets baseball today

  • Rocky Thompson

    Not defending the WIlpons as owners, but it is more than a “very small” chance they did not know that Madoff was dirty.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    They’re allowing the team to wither on the vine while maintaining the stance that they have money and there are no issues.

    It’s plain for any fan to see. It’s just the bold faced lies.

    I think they’re counting on Alderson to build a winner on the cheap, totally fine with how long that takes, and that when they get good, they’ll profit from it. I don’t have any confidence that they’ll actually try to keep this team together by paying guys that deserve it.

  • TPT

    why dont you trade Valverde for Kershaw while your at it? lol

  • Lotus1209

    And both times, Wright hit over 300 with five or so homers and didn’t decide to give up. Meanwhile, Jose Reyes and co decided to take a vacation but no one blames them. Damn you Wright! You should have hit 600 with 20 home runs!

  • Hotstreak

    If the Mets win six more on this road trip I will then have guarded optimism PROVIDED ALL OF DW, Grandy and CY earn their pay. It won’t happen BUT if it does I will eat crow. My take they lose six on this road trip and back where the payroll dictates battling the Marlins next week to avoid the cellar.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Know what else is low? A little bimbette who hangs onto the coattails of an old and senile racist for…for…I guess for his looks.

  • CJM

    So they’re doing what they need to do to keep their team; what anyone would do in the same situation.

  • CJM

    Read what I wrote again. You and I are on the same page.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well, you say they’re just trying to keep their team. I say they’re just trying to keep themselves above water.

    I don’t think they need to necessarily do the honorable thing and sell the team, but I do have an issue with how they’re behaving as owners and believe the Mets would be better off with other owners.

  • reality check

    true, but he wants the bimbette there,

  • Alex68

    ???? What’s the mets record as it stands?????

  • Alex68

    TPT, it’s okay man.. regardless of the comment towards me i can’t retaliate or else i get thrown into the drunk tank, so i move on and take the high road…

  • Alex68

    Sigh…. thanks man….. for reading…. and to help out the blog by commenting…

  • agetting

    lol, that’s a good point

  • Sunshine

    LOL

  • TPT

    this is sooooo true and you know what else is true??? THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER PLAYERS and AGENTS and OWNERS JUST LIKE STERLING ONLY DIFFERENCE IS..THEY HAVENT LET THEIR HATE AND BIGOTRY MAKE THE NEWS

  • agetting

    if the Wilpons knew what they were involved with…they are significantly worse than Donald Sterling.

  • Sunshine

    Would you be happier if they were 9-16? Seems like it

  • Hotstreak

    Think or wish. We all wish because we are Met fans but do a reality check. This offense SUCKS, PERIOD.

  • billpulsipher

    sandy wouldnt pull that tirgger

  • Sunshine

    How so? The owners remain the same…

  • The kids will be alright. Say it again, the kids will be alright. And heck…they might even become our saving grace. The offense will improve and the pitching might take a step back. This will be baseball working itself out. Even in that, IF…the team can maintain this 14-11 pace?? Guess what keeping up a 14-11 pace brings after the season??

    90 (well 90.72 really) wins.

    Yes folks. Richie was and has been trolling all of us. Good for him if it happens. Better for us.

  • dealingwithidiots

    Thanks for your standard idiotic reply when once again you prove the fool you are.

  • TPT

    your ok in my book Alex and i like how you think

  • CJM

    If Wheeler was the best player he was giving up, it is a 100% guarantee that he’d make the trade. But there’s no way the Marlins would trade Stanton if the best player they got back was Wheeler.

  • Peter S

    He needs to find a way to pitch 7 innings consistently. As of right now that seems to be his hurdle.

  • KEITH

    Can we make it Trout, and i’ll throw in a ptbnl?

  • Andrew Herbst

    Wheeler’s improving with his control. He has to work on going deeper into games. He needs to try to go at least 7 innings.

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    Imagine where we’d be if instead of young they signed Jose Abreu and maybe Nelson Cruz… to 2 very reasonable contracts.

  • TPT

    just thinking but maybe Mr Met can use a hidden cam and get Freddie to meet up at his hotel room and then let the xxx video go public ..that could work

  • TPT

    theres no way you can believe that was a serious trade proposal right?

  • Opti-Mets-tic

    Look up the meaning of “eve”.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Oh for the love of….

    Nelson Cruz is a terrible outfielder that wasn’t coming to an NL team no matter what! Why can’t people understand this? Agreed on Abreu tho.

  • Agee’s Catch

    Mr met would never stoop so low.

  • TPT

    ok….. yea

  • TPT

    WHATS UP JB??? HOW YOU DOING ON THIS FINE DAY MAN?

  • Even nice guys get greedy and I think that is the bottom line with the Madoff scheme. Anybody that knows anything about investing and returns would have seen the dozens of red flags based on Madoff’s returns. Many would stay far away from Madoff, and likely did, but the Wilpons liked the numbers and were willing to turn the other cheek rather than ask the right questions. They rolled the dice and lost, though they did not lose nearly as hard as they should have.

    Fred may be a nice guy but that does not help when it comes to all of the harm he’s done this team whether on his own, or through his devil’s child.

  • TPT

    i think you we could be favorites to win the N/L. east

  • Hotstreak

    I am happy but after two collapses and a pathetic team for five years I am from Missouri (not literally) “Show Me”.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    The Cruz contract was reasonable because so many teams passed until his price came down significantly. Wasn’t at that price when Alderson went shopping. If he’d waited and failed to sign him, we’d have nobody.

  • TPT

    sometimes just sometimes what you do offensively out does your liabilties as a outfielder and there’s a huge difference playing RF where you may get one play every few games that might turn into a CY woulda coulda had it and thats a lot different then being a SS and being involved in 40 % of all the plays everyday and i wish people would understand that

  • TPT

    not true because AFTER Abreu was signed and the end of spring training seems to me we offered Bafour 12 million a YR FOR 2 YRS ..so where did that money come from?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Allow me to clarify I guess. If he didn’t sign CY when he did and waited on Cruz and then failed to sign him, we’d have EY full time. Make more sense now?

    Maaaaybe we would have used that money elsewhere, but Alderson failed to sign anyone else after Colon so probably not.

  • Alex68

    And again, i thank you for taking your time in reading and commenting to me…..

  • Helloboy

    The Mets overvalue pitching. They will buy pitching at a premium, but pass on bats except at a deal

  • Helloboy

    We started Abreu 2 times so far in RF. he will get more. Abreu is not as mobile as Cruz is.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Regarding the Nimmo/Mantle comment, it was my comment, and I alluded only to their facial similarities, which is not a stretch if you take the time to look it up. I’m going to ask that you not put words in my mouth when your own words border on incoherence…

  • Helloboy

    D V R

  • TPT

    yes gotcha but still after all our FAs were signed they still offered Balfour that contract (24 milion) and im still wondering how we had the money for that contract offer and yet we dont seen to have it for say adding a SS for example

  • PessiMets

    I was going to but left too early and simply forgot, thought they were going to replay the game at 7

  • donobrien

    The year started with many question marks. Duda, TDA, Lagares, and all three have looked good. Murphy continues to hit. CY shows signs of breaking out. EYJ is 2nd in runs scored in the league. Wright is off to a slow start, but you know he will have a good year. Granderson is troubling. Will he soon show the Granderson of the past years. My money is on him, but Abreu and Cy can spell him in right field. Lagares owns CF, and LF is for EYJ and CY.

    So I’m not as worried about the offense as some. The SP is great and the group of young arms in AA and AA are ready to come up when needed. The bullpen is my biggest concern. Torres is great but don’t burn him out. The old guys are taking turns at closing. We could use some help.

    Defense is looking good everywhere, except maybe Abreu in right occasionally, but he does have a great bat. Get Drew for SS and bolster the bullpen, and we’re good to go.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Because they don’t feel Drew is worth the cost

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    What else could it be?

  • dealingwithidiots

    I made the mistake of wasting time on this guy, don’t make the same mistake I did, move on. You can say the sky is blue and he’ll answer with “you’re a sandy lover”. Don’t try to make sense it, there is none.

  • Metropolitan

    The Mets passing on Jose Abreu is going to end up being akin to the Mets passing on Reggie Jackson in the draft…The Mets just can’t do NOTHING right!

  • skyking26

    I agree with Abreu but I still say we wouldn’t be having this debate today if we signed Matt Holliday rather than Jason Bay.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Done…

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    That is just so so so very wrong. The idea is not to maximize any one position. Its to maximize what you get from the entire team, across the board, all positions. You’re going to end up with 30 HR and a better OBP from the guy you already have at 1B, for less money. With the limited resources this team has and will continue to have, not spending on an unproven player at a position that was already filled adequately is not a bad decision. Fact.

  • skyking26

    As long as the owners are named Wilpon. It should be no surprise.

  • SCarton12

    So you can throw the Pirates, Rockies and the brewers in there too, with teams that do NOTHING right!

  • CJM

    Does it sound like I believe that?

  • Alex68

    and yet you DON’T stop replying to me…. and for that…. I thank you… SL

  • Sunshine

    I hear ya on that. Its good not to get too amped up after 25 games.

  • Helloboy

    My biggest concern is SS and the BP. The BP because it always seems to tire out and the SS, because we really have none. In reality Q and Tejada should be platooned to limit the damage.

    The good thing about the pen though is the pitching depth can be called up to go there too, which many are not in favor of, but it can help.

    There is really nothing we can do about the black hole at SS. We will need to go get one at some point, or they are praying that we can survive without it.

  • CJM

    Considering their best production has come from first base, I don’t think Abreu would have this team in a much better place right now. You’d just be replacing very good production with great production, while production elsewhere still lacks. Regardless of the Grandy and CY signings, Nelson Cruz would also have been a poor fit.

  • jaygreen55

    If anyone would have seen the red flags how did so many banks and hedge funds get suckered for much more(look at the madoff creditor list below) and how did he pass SEC audits for years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_investors_in_Bernard_L._Madoff_Securities

  • Sunshine

    Yup and Jose Reyes was DOWNRIGHT LOUSY in September of 2007. He hit like .200 down the ever important stretch. Just utterly disappeared, he folded like a prostitute getting punched in the gut by a guy named Biff.

  • TPT

    but how many balls hit to him would actually cost us a game rather than a ball that falls in front of him the and say CY would of caught but had no effect on the outcome of the game? how many games would Cruz actually cost us? and how many games would he help win with his bat? i think when you look at it 80% of everything hit to left WOULD BE CAUGHT or played correctly maybe it wouldnt look pretty but they would be caught and then out of the 20% how many of those would have a direct outcome to the game? would that negate say his 30 hrs 94 RBIS if he were to put up those kind of numbers? and thats something no one really pays attention to

  • Alex68

    Hotstreak, Lol… i’d say this, if we get there i’d expect, but this winning we got going on is shocking and surprising to me… maybe it’s because i enter the season with the lower expectations the lower the disappointment mentality, but i am enjoying this… i know it’s tough, but don’t let these SL derail you from loving the team you grew up watching…

  • CJM

    I’m not trying to defend Wilpon. Just saying, he and Sterling are horses of different colors.

  • billpulsipher

    Duda will hit 30 HR? UM OK. whats his career high? Like 15? lol

  • Metropolitan

    The last hope would be the new commish ,whoever he might be,comes in sees Bank of America is making the decisions and he gives Fred and his brat kid jeff the boot

  • Alex68

    Lmao…. yup…. i agree…

  • donobrien

    He might be a Yankee fan and really loves Daniel Murphy.

  • BCleveland3381

    If Wheeler has a good year, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him dealt. If I had to guess, it would either be Wheeler or Colon. Harvey is an absolute stud, and no one will give him fair value coming off of TJ surgery. Niese is signed to a very team friendly contract and is the only lefty in the rotation. Gee is very good and underrated. But he’s not a guy that throws 95+, so he’s always going to be considered a step below the flamethrowers. Colon could be dealt after a good year, but people will be wary of his age and weight. The return for Colon could be decent. The return for Wheeler could be amazing.

    Trading nobody means we have Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Gee, Niese, Colon, Montero, Mejia, Hefner, and probably DeGrom as potential starters. No way we keep 10 starters with the holes in the bullpen and SS. We just have to hope the right move is made to give up the right guy and get the right return for him.

  • Alex68

    I must say, SL are making it real hard for Die Hard to enjoy this team and whatever’s going on in flushing.. whenever we win it’s somehow reverse back to sandy being a genius and of course when we lose, it’s everyone else’s fault BUT his.
    To all real fans out there, don’t let these SL get to you.. it’s been 3+ years and it’s okay for them to be this excited about their lord having a winning record at any point since he’s been on the losing side of things for 9 straight years.
    As a mets fan, i am enjoying every win, i could care less about SL trying to shove their lord down my throats, others might not be as subtle and would say things they truly don’t mean about the mets.
    No matter what the situation is, i’ll always say Let’s go METS!

  • TPT

    your kidding us right? first we have no number 4 hitter because we all guess Duda is to fragile to take on that responsibility or he”d be batting clean up and our cleanup hitter has no home runs and what 7 rbis? and also Duda has 4 homers and 13 rbis and Abreu ? 10 hrs and 31 rbis you have to be joking

  • oleosmirf

    “As a mets fan, i am enjoying every win, i could care less about SL trying to shove their lord down my throats”

    Your entire post says otherwise…

  • CJM

    Who on the Mets is producing better than Duda right now? Nobody. It’s that simple. Yes, you’d likely have better production from Abreu, but you’d be subtracting their best production from the lineup. Duda is not batting low in the order because he’s fragile, he’s batting low in the order because TC is an idiot. Duda has an .818 career OPS when he bats 4th in the lineup. You thinking he is too fragile to bat there just displays ignorance.

  • TPT

    haha wow so you dont want to subtract Dudas 4 HRS AND 13 RBIS because hes our guy and replace that with 10 hrs and 31 rbis and have a real clean up hitter i see ….laughable

  • BCleveland3381

    You’d rather watch this team lose 100 games and be able to gloat about it on a message board than watch this regime succeed. Typical Met hater.

    I do find it funny that everyone calls you out on hating the Mets and now you started overcompensating with a similar sentence at the end of every post like this one, “No matter what the situation is, i’ll always say Let’s go METS!”.

    LOL. it’s fine if you hate the Mets, at least man up to it.

  • CJM

    He has produced more than any other player on the Mets. Are you having trouble understanding that? My point was that yes, the production at first would be better, but how much so, being that they are already getting their best production from first? They will still have the black holes in the outfield and at shortstop. My original point is that they probably wouldn’t be in a much better position standings-wise today if Abreu were on the team.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Of of those HRs arent HRs in Citi Field.

  • Taskmaster4450

    You are a fool if you think Cruz would sign with the Mets for $8M.

    He went to a hitters park where he could DH more than half the time to rebuild his value.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Because either they are too stupid or it doesnt fit their agenda.

    Cruz wasnt going to take $8M to play for the Mets.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Real die hard Met fans understand what Alderson is doing and can grasp the concept of organizational development. Those who come on here and scream about how terrible things are….well just pure ignorance.

  • skiplockweird

    None of us really know where this team will end up. It’s just a shame that so many cannot enjoy what is going on right now.

  • Alex68

    How SO? When we win do i go into some type of rant as to why we want we should’ve lose? come on now… what i am saying it’s how all of the sudden SL everywhere are gloating and praising sandy for the team’s 14-11, yet when we started 0-3 of got bombarded by the angels every SL i know was in hibernation and would only come out to say it’s not sandy’s fault and go right back into hiding.. have you read some of the post written today by some of them????? Come on now….

  • Alex68

    Sigh… man….

  • Alex68

    Real die hard understand what SA is doing? and what is that? Clear payroll and pray for the best with whatever team he rolls out there?? WOW!

  • TPT

    we dont play all our games at citi field right? and im pretty sure he’d get rbis no matter what stadium he played in but to suggest we dont need him because we have Duda (and hes not even batting clean up) as CJM suggests is ridiculous

  • skiplockweird

    Someone will have to go, and I am glad I am not making the decision. However, one thing to think about. Harvey cannot be in our long range plans.First, he’s got Boras as an agent. That means he will not sign a contract that bypasses free agency. All Boras clients take the free agency route and go to the absolute highest bidder. I know it’s not the time for this, but it’s the truth. Throw in that he’s a Yankee fan. He will be traded at some point before free agency. There is no way we want to lose a bidding war (or enter one) with the Yankees. So, knowing that, I believe the pitchers in the trade pool are: Colon, (Niese or Gee not both), and Mejia (injuries). That would mean Wheeler, Sydnergaard, Montero and DeGrom will not be traded.

  • billpulsipher

    so…..you dont like sandy?

  • skiplockweird

    Agreed, he would have played in Baltimore for the league minimum for taking $10m to play in Citi field.

  • skiplockweird

    You’re right, Just half of them…that’s plenty.

  • skiplockweird

    Ouch, that hurts (the truth always does)

  • skiplockweird

    I hope you have a red nose and big shoes, because you are a clown.

  • skiplockweird

    Defensive ability also played a large part. We may have the best defensive outfield in the game when Lagares gets back.

  • Alex, is your head ready to explode?

    We at MMO were a bit worried about the consequences of posting articles on Nimmo, Alderson and Wheeler all on the same day.

    If you start feeling uncomfortable, seek out medical attention as fast as you can. Don’t wait until the last minute.

    🙂

  • TPT

    CJM take 2 aspirin get a good nights sleep and your fell better in the morning lol

  • skiplockweird

    Apparently 29 other teams, including those that need shortstops don’t either.

  • Alex68

    Well, how can one enjoy if some fans of the team hear the non stop BS about sandy being a genius for the 14-11 start? honestly, i knew this was gonna happen if we were somehow decent, others are not having a hard time adapting to this crap..
    funny, when we lose, SL are nowhere to be found…

  • skiplockweird

    Citifield may have the biggest outfield in the game. Don’t sell it short.

  • skiplockweird

    Yes, and we can pick and choose our spots to play him there. Just like when Davey Johnson played kevin mitchell at SS

  • CJM

    That wasn’t my suggestion and if you think it is you need to working on your reading comp.

  • CJM

    When you have no facts, you defer to ad hominem. Great.

  • skiplockweird

    I don’t like the Wilpons, but many other fell victim to Madoff (6 degrees of Kevin Bacon anyone?). The reason Freddy got sued was he pulled money out to pay for part of the stadium.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    If I give a guy ten bottle caps, some pocket lint, and a $5 bill, and he turns it into a Mercedes, a nice house, and a $100,000 in the bank, then I give him credit. If he does not, I don’t blame him or consider him a failure.

    The fact that we have 20 bottle caps, a big pile of colorful pocket lint, and $10 feels nice right now. The Mercedes, the house, and the bankroll will take time. Baby steps.

  • agetting

    Harvey’s not getting traded before Free Agency…

  • agetting

    Abreu hits bombs, all of them would have gone out

  • skiplockweird

    Dude, you have now been promoted to idiot 1st class. My reference was that after 18 decisions, Gooden was 9 and 9. He did not come out of high school and dominate from the 1st pitch.

  • agetting

    it’s really hard to make that judgement about the Mets standings with Abreu on the team. We have no idea the timing of the HRs but it’s just as possible the Mets could be 16-9 with Abreu in the heart of the lineup as they are 14-11

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Who is saying he is a genius?

    Please identify these people and their quotes. I will send you $10 for each recent (past week) example of people here saying that Sandy is a genius.

  • skiplockweird

    I hope he’s here forever, I just wouldn’t bet on it.

  • skiplockweird

    We only needed two more strikes to be 16-9

  • Alex68

    Hahahaha, i am fine… others are not as prepare as i am for these Sandy love fest apparently… some people are ready to explode on some bloggers and rightfully so…

  • Alex68

    Time for you to fess up and admit you were wrong for three years and that a long term view versus short term hole filling is beyond your understanding.”

    AFTER 25 GAMES?!?!?!?!? so you guys kept saying to me to be patient for THREE YEARS and you’re telling me that after 25 games i must admit i am wrong!?!?!!?!?! are you serious!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!!?!?

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha WOW I AM DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • donobrien

    But this year he may have 600 at bats. That’s the difference. If he hits a HR in Philly, he will be on course for 30 HRs. Plus his OBP is pretty good, too. And he has has 0 errors in 2013 and so far this year. Shortstop is the place to spend for, maybe, Drew.

  • jdon48

    Harvey WAS a stud. You have to be sure he comes back strong; Wheeler ain’t leaving. No one is a stud when all he can do is soft toss 90 feet

  • TPT

    i know it ive been watching replays of his homers and no doubt every one would be out of Citi field

  • TPT

    WELL OK THIS IS WHAT I READ SO CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG OK? you did write this and i think i read it right.. “You’d just be replacing very good production with great production, while production” so that seems to suggest 4 hrs and 13 rbis is similar production as 10 hrs and 31 rbis …if i read it wrong then my bad so your saying great production 31 rbis and what you call good production 13 rbis would make no difference but Dudas not batting cleanup right? Murph is and he has 0 hrs and 7 rbis and Abreu is a true clean up hitter btw p.s hmmmm just imagine where 18 more runs scored would put us in the standings right now

  • CJM

    That doesn’t suggest whatsoever that the production is the same. Hence the different adjectives. Like I said, work on your reading comp.

  • CJM

    And of course they could be 12-13 perhaps.

  • agetting

    possible but extremely unlikely considering his numbers are significantly better than Dudas

  • Yes, agreed.

  • Welcome to the world of high finance. This is not an isolated case and things like this do happen. The SEC is far from perfect as are ALL audits and where money is being made, people tend to enjoy and not ask too many questions. They find ways to protect themselves and make themselves appear ignorant if things go wrong. The returns that Madoff offered without any real justification was the biggest of all of the red flags but there were more. Those involved can answer all of these questions better than I can, I’m sure.

  • jaygreen55

    What was Cashen’s record after his 1st 4 years (1980-1983)?

    Answer: 241-348 for a .410 winning percentage including a woeful 68-94 in 1983. Much worse than Sandy’s 227-261 .465. During this time he restocked the farm system, made some key trades and signed a couple of over the hill free agents (most notably George Foster and Mike Torres)

    Then 1984 happened and the Mets won 90 games when no one expected them to staring a streak of 7 consecutive winning seasons including a championship in 1986 and 100 wins in 1988 a Doc Gooden mistake to Mike Scosia away from another world series

    I see a lot of similarities between this team and 1984.
    Young pitching and a little bit of offense

  • CJM

    But as you said, it’s all about timing. Duda has driven in big runs in several different games. It’s all speculation.

  • jaygreen55

    Also how can the man who traded Tom Seaver away (albeit under pressure from M DOnald Grant) not be the worse GM in Met history

  • jaygreen55

    Sandy’s record as Oakland”s GM was also very similar to Cashen’s success with Baltimore

    From Wikipedia:

    in 1983 was named the team’s general manager, a position he held through 1997. Under Alderson, the Athletics’ minor league system was rebuilt, which bore fruit later that decade as José Canseco (1986), Mark McGwire (1987), and Walt Weiss (1988) were chosen as American League Rookies of the Year. The Athletics won four division titles, three pennants and the 1989 World Series during Alderson’s tenure. In 1995, team owner Walter A. Haas, Jr. died and new owners Stephen Schott and Ken Hofmann ordered Alderson to slash payroll. As a result, Alderson began focusing on sabermetric principles toward obtaining relatively undervalued players.[5] He was a mentor to his eventual successor, Billy Beane.

  • jaygreen55

    All I’m saying is if that firms like the the Royal, Bank of Scotland, Paribas Bank (Largest bank in France), Satander Bank, numerous Swiss Banks and many hedge funds didn’t see all those red flags then why should the Wilpons have seen them

  • CJM

    Sandy’s a genius (sorry for losing you 10 bucks).

  • CJM

    What’s funny is I do believe Alderson’s intelligence is sky high, and I think that’s part of the reason he comes across very poorly to fans at times. How that intelligence translates to success in a front office is hard to tell, though. And we are still waiting to see with Alderson and the Mets.

  • edhearn

    I have to respectfully disagree. To me, Wheeler got a little lucky. He continued to put the leadoff man on base ,I think every inning but one. His good stuff got him by, but normally an inability to throw first pitch strikes and leadoff hits and walks will spell disaster. People are gushing a bit too much about that last start .

  • Macdaddy

    Oh…you are such a cheeky little monkey aren’t you.

  • Macdaddy

    True but again we are essentially talking about a rookie. Thus my take from his performances (more importantly your comments) is that he has the stuff to work out of his problems, and he did, in fact, work out of his problems. Yes, being able to throw strikes and get ahead of hitters is critical on numerous obvious levels. But what you always look for or attempt to confirm is…do we have a pithcer or do we just have a thrower. I think Zach is a pitcher.

  • Rocky Thompson

    Agree. Need to work on my proof reading.

  • Metfan9876

    Boras does sign longterm deals for “some” guys before free agency. However, if it happens, it would take a ridiculous price..

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    Just keep watching. When you’re wrong, please man up and come here and say it. I’ll do the same.

  • Taskmaster4450

    So it is the fans on here who determine your emotional state?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Actually that is only worth $3.33.

  • Taskmaster4450

    On what planet do you think your post makes any sense?

  • Taskmaster4450

    He wouldnt get nearly as many RBIs because men havent been on base.

    And fangraphs disagrees with your bias. 5 HRS by Abreau were just out.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔
  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Wanna bet?

  • Fonzie

    Wright killed it both in 07 and 08 down the stretch but for some reason gets all the blame while No-Show Reyes always got a pass.

  • Perhaps we could compare him with Ron Darling whom I believe used to have similar issues being too fine and was plagued by high pitch counts.

  • skiplockweird

    Not my best English, my point is, he was not coming here.

  • skiplockweird

    Well, he’s already had the surgery. Maybe the ridiculous price will be worth it.

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    Yes he is but we lack offense and imagine where we’d be with another 14 hr’s 50 rbi’s. We watch a mostly struggling offense on a nightly basis. With that lineup I could live with some spotty defense.

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    We would’ve paid more and 14 million would be reasonable giving his production. The point is we needed offense and neither of those players would’ve broke the bank but offers were never made. Imagine this team with another 14 hr’s 50 rbi’s.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LMFAO…Says who???

    You better go check out his homers buddy. No stadium in this league can stifle his power….He has STANTON POWER doesnt matter where he plays he’s hitting bombs

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    Let me help you out for your next list.

    Willie Mays was a great ballplayer. He even played outfield for the Mets for a bit. You know who else plays outfield for the Mets? Chris Young. Chris Young is very similar to Willie Mays. . .in that they both played OF for the Mets at some point in their careers.

    Tom Seaver loved fried eggs. The only person I’ve heard of who loves fried eggs as much as Tom Seaver is Zack Wheeler. Zack Wheeler is exactly like Tom Seaver. . .in his love of fried eggs.

    This year’s Mets team reminds me so much of both 1969 and 1986 in that those were seasons and this season is also a season.

    We’ve had some awful players play outfield over the history of the franchise. Carlos Beltran also played outfield during the history of the franchise.

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    I’ve tried this one. Wasting your time. You’re making the mistake of citing historical fact.

  • jaygreen55

    I keep trying to point this out but Sandy haters just don’t want to listen

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    I said last year was 1983 back in August of last year. I said 88 wins this year back in March.
    I’ll eat a ton of crow if I’m wrong. But I’m feeling good about it right about now. Pitching pitching pitching. When you’re staff gives you a chance to win every night out, you’re going to win some games.
    The similarities to what Cashen did and how our system is shaping up are clear as day.

  • jaygreen55

    I saw it then also. The key was that unlike 2012 when they started off well and then collapsed they played 500+ ball over the last 100 games of the season despite trading away their best run producer in Marlon Byrd

  • DrDooby

    Beyond this season, the Mets control Matt Harvey for another 4 seasons and thus through 2018. That is so far away, it doesn’t make too much sense speculating on his whereabouts now. By then, the Mets may be swimming in cash, may have gone to the playoffs 3 or 4 times and signing Harvey is a mere formality – just like extending Doc Gooden in the late 80s was.

    Or the entire rebuilding has failed, Harvey has already been traded after 2017 by the next GM as the Mets look to build a 2019 winner around Brandon Nimmo, Amed Rosario and Noah Syndergaard…

  • DrDooby

    And let’s see what happens the rest of the season. Last April, John Buck was one of the hottest bats in the majors – and he ended with a .656 OPS. Nelson Cruz and Curtis Granderson may well end up with very similar numbers – with the difference being that Granderson is a much better defender and gives the lineup some balance being a LHH.

  • youcanthandlethetruth

    Wheeler is not in the minors.

  • youcanthandlethetruth

    Pelfrey had no breaking ball at all.

  • dealingwithidiots

    Funny, you seem to the be the only one talking about Sandy, while the rest of us, real die hard fans, enjoy each win as it comes.

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    First John Buck is what he is a catcher with one ridiculous month. I’m not saying don’t sign Granderson. I’m saying don’t sign young. Defense matters but when your offense is non existent you need to go get some bats. Cruz isn’t a great fielder but he can hit/drive in runs. Right now in a big spot who do you trust coming to bat? We have Wright and that’s it. I was very high on Abreu and he signed a reasonable deal. It’s a small sample size but he looks legit and a steal. Imagine a heart of the order that would actually wear down opposing pitchers and drive in runs. Right now we start the game with 2 automatic outs and once the game starts it shifts to 4 in a row(Tejada, pitcher, EYJR, and grandy). I believe in Granderson and EYJR would be an amazing 4th outfielder, pinch runner, defensive sub for Cruz. The point is we could have a lineup of Lagares, Murphy, Wright, Abreu, Cruz, Granderson, TDA, Tejeda/hopefully Florez soon). That would be a balanced lineup that even the Wilpons could’ve afforded.

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    We have EYJr full time now…soooooo what’s your point?

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    A point of agreement.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Because Lagares has been out. If we hadn’t signed CY, our three outfielders would be Granderson, Lagares and EY. Whatever Collins does when Lagares comes back, it would involve someone like MDD or Kirk, because CY wouldn’t be on the team.

  • SchadenfreudianSlip

    People seem to entirely ignore that from the day that Wheeler was brought up, this team played .500 ball. They did with Wright out for a long period, they did it with Harvey on the shelf towards the end and they did it without Byrd for the last month of the season. .500 ball over a long clip. Anyone who ignores is being willfully ignorant.