Alderson’s Bullpens Have Been Awful

sandy alderson by Jeff Roberson AP

Not once during Sandy Alderson’s tenure as general manager with the Mets has he pieced together anything close to an adequate bullpen, writes Marc Carig of Newsday. And as the Mets begin their fourth season under Alderson, it’s unclear whether that will change any time soon.

“The bullpen has not been good over the last several years,” Alderson said before a bullpen implosion ruined Opening Day. “It needs to get better.”

Carig states that Alderson’s track record for accumulating useful bullpen pieces has been nothing short of abysmal.

It hadn’t always been that way. In 2010, the final season before Alderson’s arrival as GM, Mets relievers ranked a respectable 5th in the National League with a 3.59 ERA.

I actually posted the Mets NL Bullpen Rankings over the last five years in an earlier post this morning:

  • 2009 – 3.89 ERA Ranked 8th
  • 2010 – 3/59 ERA Ranked 5th
  • 2011 – 4.33 ERA Ranked 15th
  • 2012 – 4.65 ERA Ranked 15th
  • 2013 – 3.98 ERA Ranked 12th

Alderson results have been staggering Carig points out, noting that from 2011-13, just three Mets relievers logged at least 30 innings and posted an ERA below 3.00.

Overall, Alderson awarded roughly $29 million in guaranteed contracts to lure free agents to the Mets from 2011 to 2013. Relief pitching accounted for roughly $19 million — two-thirds of his spending.

Sandy said, “We’re in the process of introducing more of our young players into that bullpen.” 

I would point out that many of the better relief prospects close to MLB ready were dispatched to minor league camp two weeks into Spring Training.

His bullpens have sucked royally, all of us know that. But if you’re going to develop young relievers then do so already and fast. Stop saying you’re building a bullpen through the minors, and start doing it instead.

In the last 48 hours we’ve spotlighted several candidates and solutions. Let’s get this done already because I’m tired of watching our bullpen blow lead after lead after lead. I’m getting sick of it. Four years and counting…

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  • Hodges14

    That goes a long way towards explaining the W/L record since Alderson has been here also. Decent to better than decent starting pitching, coupled with inferior offense and terrible bullpen. Bad recipe.

  • Big Daddy D

    bullpens and bench make a team a winning one…….

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Need moar Bradford/Feliciano? Dennis Cook/Turk Wendell perhaps? I think it’s easy for us to forget how important middle relief was to the late 90’s/2000 Mets, and to the ’06 team as well….not coincidentally the last two eras of Mets playoff teams.

  • I was pissed when Omar let Bradford walk.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Kind of agree…a good rotation keeps you in games, a good offense makes a team fun to watch, but a good pen and bench on top of those leads you into the playoffs.

  • HawkZon

    Dan Warthen has some responsibility as well.

  • Based on the copy of The Plan that I was secretly given, bullpens are priority number 29, ranked near other low priority items such as starting 1b and starting SS. One might argue that these should rank higher and that some of the top 10 items such as ‘agreeable manager’, ‘it’s all about the message, stupid’, and ‘clip coupons whenever possible’ should be below the personnel items.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Why would anyone expect anything more from the most embarrassing organization in professional sports?

  • BCleveland3381

    This is a bit of an overreaction.

  • Big Daddy D

    thing is -is that the Mets bench (Duda, EYJ, Satin, A.Brown) isn’t that bad. Could be better of course, but not bad. Quantanilla and Recker are bad, but the others are respectable players.
    The bullpen historically killed Johan Santana. Was on it’s way to killing Harvey. Great bullpen is probably tough to put together, but it becomes a difference maker over a 162 game marathon.

  • Charley’s Twin

    It’s really not.What other organization can match the decades of losing with involvement in the worst financial crime in world history?

  • Hodges14

    Even the 86 team with McDowell and the 69 team with Taylor and Ryan.

  • BCleveland3381

    NY Islanders. Google John Spano

  • Charley’s Twin

    I know who John Spano is. I also notice he’s not the owner anymore, allowed to go about his business as if nothing happened.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Sadly, one of my other favorite teams the Islanders, had an owner who bought the team, and had no money.

    While surely teams like the Cleveland Browns have been worse than the Mets in terms of wins and losses, but ranking “embarrassment” is subjective, so I think the Mets have to be on the list somewhere, especially given the Madoff mess and current bottom 10 MLB payroll while playing in NEW YORK CITY. It is embarrassing.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    lol you beat me to it.

  • Perhaps, but it’s bad enough that we are in the conversation.

  • Alex68

    As i said earllier, when he acquired Izzy during his first months here, we (#CORE members) applauded the move, i thought that was a great move, the bullpen at the time of the KROD give away was #3 in all baseball, ever since we saved those $17.5 million for the wilpons we’ve never been the same….
    #KarmaIsAB

  • Charley’s Twin

    I’m a Buffalo Bills fan. No playoffs in 15 years. Owner just passed, our greatest player seems to be on death’s door. Team is in a trust and is to be sold, likely moving away forever.

    Their chances of succeeding, in my opinion, are way, way higher than the Mets.

  • shouldaswung

    Me too, and when he traded Joe Smith also. Not so much with Heilman

  • BCleveland3381

    Yeah well the Wilpons actually have enough money to field a team. They aren’t thousandaires like Spano was. The Wilpon situation isn’t even as close to as ridiculous as that was. Not even in the ballpark.
    The Knicks are a worse run franchise, you could argue the Jets are just as big of a mess. The Browns, Raiders, etc. There are tons of teams that are just as big of a mess or more than the Mets. I hate the Wilpons, and have said we’ll probably need new ownership to ever compete. But your original statement is an overreaction.

  • Rumor has it that the Wilpons used that $17.5 million to put in a pool shaped like a hand giving a middle finger and that they plan to start giving away free helicopter rides for Met fans and fly them over their estate.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Where is the Mets dynasty? Islanders have one.

  • LongTimeFan1

    This has been Alderson’s problem – lack of balanced approach to roster construction. He stocks the minors with right hand starting pitching, ignoring lefties and still hasn’t produced a single viable, reliable young reliever for the big league team.

    He then restocks the major league team with more of the same trouble spots – batters who whiff – and goes into 2014 with the same problem he vowed to resolve in the offseason – first base and shortstop.

    And then when it comes to proclamations of trading surplus young starting pitching to address deficiencies, he does no such thing.

  • BCleveland3381

    Yeah, we’re probably in the top 10 in pro sports. No way we’re #1 though. We do have some optimism for the future with a strong farm system. We aren’t even the worst run sports franchise in our own city. With the Knicks, Islanders, Jets, and even the Yanks and Giants looking like a mess, I guess you could easily argue NY is the worst run sports city in the country.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    So what the heck has Jonah Hill been doing the last four years?

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    My Jets are fine! 5 AFC title game appearances and 1 SB win in their history, while not amazing is better than some teams in the league at least.

    They just haven’t been able to find that franchise QB! Sure, they’ve had QB’s with some nice moments, but 40 years later, unfortunately we’re still looking. I’m skeptical, but please Geno, be the guy.

  • Hey it’s his “Mea Culpa”!

    http://i.imgur.com/9yBabVI.gif

  • Sunshine

    He’s been developing bullpen arms for the Mets to keep on the farm until each arm is ripe for the plucking at 26 years old.

  • LOL Nobody misses Heilman. Wow though on Joe Smith. He turned out to be pretty special.

  • BCleveland3381

    Where is the Browns dynasty? Their owner woke up in the middle of the night and moved their entire franchise to a different city. Mets aren’t the worst in sports. Probably top 10, but cmon. 1 loss and 1 injury and the sky is falling. It’s a long season and people gotta calm down around here.

  • TPT

    hey Joe D hmmmmm seems to me we had guy with a 2.93 era and 13 saves last year..the guy did everything asked of him was respected by every young pitcher in the organization and at age 40 was a physical specimen with out PEDS but him wanting 2.5 million was a million more than SA was gonna pay and contrary to what all the SA lovers say he wanted to stay here and said so and also said he and his family wanted at least one more year in N.Y. .because he and his family enjoyed N.Y.C. that of course was Latroy Hawkins so again you just have to wonder if SA has what it takes to put together a wiinner? no more excuses for the guy… a crap bullpen and a no moves what so ever to improve a lackluster lineup.. the 5th 6th 7th and 8th batters in this lineup is a flat out joke

  • metsman

    Think about how bad this team would be if Sandy had Omar money to spend.

  • guy2theLEFT

    I loved Bradford..but with his groundball rate and this infeild, we would watch 6 runs score with out the ball leaving the infeild haha.

  • Bob Walsh

    Joe — brilliant post! Facts are facts are facts … though I am positive he and many of his followers will says its all part of his big rebuilding plan.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Where’s the Browns involvement in two ponzi schemes, including the largest ever? I realize I will not be convincing you and I need to go to back to work, but thanks for the back and forth.

  • No GM is perfect, and Sandy has done some great things already by trading older pieces who were not part of the future for top prospects who could become core players. However, on the bullpen front, he’s been abysmal.

  • LOL You have way too much time on your hands. 🙂

  • BCleveland3381

    The only people that think the Madoff thing is embarrassing is Met fans. No one else cares.

  • ro7a

    Wow, i thought I was the only fool that liked both the Bills and Mets. Welcome to the misery club. Bills and Mets, finding new ways to lose since the last century.

  • Not enough, but I can’t stop procrastinating some days.

  • Charley’s Twin

    So that’s why I’m frequently ornery here.

  • BCleveland3381

    Not true considering the Buffalo Bills wont even exist in 5 years.

  • shouldaswung

    Lindstrom turned out nice too, and I would have liked to have kept him also. Heath Bell turned out pretty good as well, but at the time of the trade I remember thinking that all Bell did was strike out guys and give up big home runs, so I was cool with moving him.

  • CJM

    NVM I see now that is NL rankings not MLB rankings.

  • BCleveland3381

    NL ERA

  • Charley’s Twin

    we’ll see about that

  • Bob Walsh

    I had to read this a couple of times. Is this you backpedaling?

    He has assembled 4 bullpens that rip the heart out of the team (4th one day in, and counting). That’s something far more troublesome than ‘not being perfect’. Its blatant incompetence or disregard. Take your pick.

  • depressed Mets fan

    Sandy has been an awful GM, so this isn’t surprising.

  • CJM

    Already edited it.

  • You don’t want to see the ML rankings.

  • Metropolitan

    I have been saying that Alderson cannot construct a decent pen and the Sandy lovers who are up his butt hole will cry .. a bullpen is a crap shoot, tough to do and then I will say, yet another excuse for Sandy not getting the job done!

  • shouldaswung

    I liked the ’88 bullpen with McDowell and Myers better than the ’86 one. I still remember the feeling of disbelief I had when I heard we moved McDowell and Dykstra for Juan Samuel…

  • Taskmaster4450

    Dan is untouchable.

  • TPT

    wow so when were flying south to north we get the middle finger and on the return trip back and go north to south we see the hand pointing to where were heading in the standings …BRILLIANT

  • depressed Mets fan

    How ate the giants and yanks included ? The giants have won 2 superbowls in the past ten years and the yanks make the playoffs every year just about.

  • Hodges14

    How are the Yanks looking like a mess? They’ve had a winning record for 21 straight seasons.

  • CJM

    This is metsmerizedonline.com, not knicksmerizedonline.com.

  • Bob Walsh

    I believe (can not check google now) the bullpen had 18 blown saves, and lost 31 games last year.

    Fix this even 50%, and the team wins another 10-12 games alone = 84-86 wins.

    To this guy its an afterthought.

  • Hodges14

    Again, though. He was not send here to build a winning team. He was sent here to cut expenses to the bone so that the Wilpons would not go bankrupt.

  • BCleveland3381

    I didn’t separate them well enough. I know they aren’t on the other NY teams level, but I was just saying the Giants are coming off a terrible year and the Yanks aren’t well run(they compete because of payroll and that’s it). From a baseball standpoint, they last 4 or 5 years have been pretty brutal. Just look at that roster. Their rotation is as bad as our bullpen. And they would probably trade infields with us right now(which is saying something).

  • He completely mus-judged the market on that. He thought he could low ball him and Hawk was like I guess not. Ticked off about this still.

  • Hodges14

    The Yankees win and make a profit every year. What else should they be doing?

  • I agree they have all sucked.
    One thing to keep in mind is we are going to have to decide if we want to follow what teams like the Cards are doing. FA isn’t the way to fix the pen anymore. So are we willing to either ease some of these guys into the bigs as relief or are we willing to groom a sp prospect with great stuff as a closer?

    It’s tough to turn a Montero or Mejia etc into a reliever but at some point you have to give up something.

  • Mike Lloyd

    “The vagaries of bullpen…year to year…” shut up—just shut up. Please…suckitude. period. End of story.

  • BCleveland3381

    Can’t argue his bullpens have been bad. But I think we all need to calm down a little. 1 bad game and it’s the end of the world. Our bullpen was actually pretty decent later in the year last season. If the Mets had gotten out of Monday’s game with a win, none of the last 3 or 4 stories on here would have even been written. One ball bounces Parnell’s way in the 9th or a strike call goes his way and the game is over and the Mets win.

    I think our bullpen looks really rough right now, but lets see how it plays out. Maybe Colon goes out and throws 7 dominant innings, Familia pitches a perfect 8th, and Valverde closes the door in the 9th, and we win 4-1. Does that mean our ‘pen is good again? Of course not, but we gotta watch a few weeks of games and see what happens here before everyone jumps ship. I don’t think I’ve ever seen fans go nuts as bad after 1 game as Im seeing right now.

  • Hodges14

    Are we following the Cardinals? I seem to recall them going out and signing Matt Holliday to a huge free agent contract while also having Albert Pujols on the payroll.

  • TJ

    Joe D.,
    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. When a team with a lousy bullpen and no internal options from the system refuses to bring in quality from the outside, and makes the choice to only bring in low cost fringe-type performers, the outcome is quite easy to predict.

  • What does that have to do with how to build a bullpen?

  • Hodges14

    Well it’s 5 horrible seasons followed by an inadequate winter followed by 1 loss and 1 injury.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Sandy has never been able to put together a solid pen. He has tried bringing in veterans, but that has not worked out. I’m hoping that for now Familia is the 8th inning guy.

  • CJM

    The Mets dynasty occurred at the same time the Islanders dynasty happened. Mets were the best team in baseball in the 80s.

  • Charley’s Twin

    1 title is not a dynasty.

  • CJM

    If more than 2 teams made the playoffs each year, you could very possibly see 3 titles. Put it in context–best team of a decade=dynasty. Braves only had one title in the 90s, they were still a dynasty.

  • BCleveland3381

    And if you gave Sandy Alderson Yankee payroll, he’d make the playoffs every year. That’s not really an accomplishment. Think about it, if we had an extra 120 million+ to spend for this season how much better would this team look?

  • Jgreen

    Parnell’s injury did some work here. I don’t think Farnsworth Parnell is a way to improve pens. And fans were complaining even before the season started to be fair 🙂

  • trevordunn

    when you sign useless players who were DFA’d and released by other teams and career minor leaguers…you get what you pay for…which is garbage….winning teams stock their pens with power young arms, high priced relievers, and 1 veteran/DFA player to be a long man.,…..the genius sandy stocks his entire bullpen with DFA caliber players

  • JRB74

    Sandy: “What bullpen?” (Laugh track follows). “I’ve got a million of ’em.”

  • Charley’s Twin

    fair enough, this is subjective anyway. but the islanders won 4 CONSECUTIVE titles. I dont know how many teams made the playoffs back then (dating myself here), but that’s seriously impressive.

  • BennyA8-27-74

    I’m a Cleveland Browns fan and while they have their own special brand of ineptitude, at least you get the sense that they’re really trying.

  • Hodges14

    I keep hearing that we are following the Cardinals model but I see very few similarities. Like you mention..you could bring up your best talent and start them in the pen before they earn spots in the rotation but that doesn’t seem to be on the agenda.

    The Cardinals are operating in a different world than the Mets. They go with internal options where they can and they go outside when they need to… Holliday, Peralta, Berkman, Beltran,, etc over the last few years.

  • BCleveland3381

    I get that and Im not saying they don’t have the right to. But, it’s still only one game and we have pitching in the minors that will improve this bullpen. It’s just a matter of when they’ll actually use it. I think DeGrom should be considered right now for a bullpen spot.

  • WillisReid

    Not getting it right on Opening Day 2014 isn’t the problem here. The problem will be if he lets this BP put this team in too big of a hole, while letting the talented young guys marinate in the minors to ensure they get the extra year of control.

  • BarnRat

    If BPs really were a crapshoot, we’d actually be better off. Hard to be consistently bad at something that decisions can’t influence.

  • BCleveland3381

    They are trying but under the a strict salary cap that not only restricts what you can spend, but also forces you to spend with a salary floor. It’s a pretty strict system if you read into it.

  • Jgreen

    I actually want to see Vic Black for now instead of Farnsworth. DeGrom would be great but I think Front is thinking him as SP.

  • WillisReid

    Agree on deGrom. While Super 2 won’t likely be a consideration for a reliever. I still think they would try and patchwork it short term to get the extra year on a guy like him.

  • WillisReid

    Black looked horrendous this spring.

  • RyanF55

    I certainly agree…so much so I spent time writing a Fan Shot on this topic: http://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/mmo-fan-shot-will-the-mets-bullpen-finally-shine-in-2014.html/

    In 2011, when the Mets finished 15th out of 16 NL teams in Bullpen ERA, they were flanked by the LA Dodgers at 14th and Houston at 16th. The following year in 2012, the LA Dodgers improved to 4th in the NL in Bullpen ERA and Houston improved to 12th.

    Likewise, in 2012, the Mets (ranked 15th again) were flanked by Colorado at 14 and Milwaukee at 16. In 2013, Milwaukee improved to 3rd in the NL and Colorado fell to last. (It will be interesting to see how they improve in 2014 with guys like Hawkins)

    …point being here is teams that are in the basement in bullpen ranks have been able to improve their situations the following season. (What a concept!) The Dodgers went from 14th to 4th in BP ERA in a year and Milwaukee went from dead last (16th) in the NL in bullpen ERA to 3rd. Man, how is that possible?! I’m tired of issues not being addressed, areas of need not improved. There’s no excuse. I’m tired of hearing them.

  • depressed Mets fan

    And if my Uncle had breasts he’d be my Aunt. A bounce here a called strike here and the outcome is different. But we didn’t get that bounce or strike and the bullpen blew it. Everyone knew the bullpen was a major issue this winter and Sandy the Snake Oil Salesmen did little to address that and it came back to bite us in the butt in game 1

  • Hodges14

    Evidence would suggest that the Mets ownership still doesn’t have any money to spend. Lowering payroll again this winter despite all the holes on this roster is pretty compelling proof in my book.

  • depressed Mets fan

    Agree 100%. His last few years in Oakland the A’s were pathetic. He took over in San Diego after they had a respectable run and he turned them into a joke. Sandy is overrated and the situation is made even worse by the Wilpons being horrible owners.

  • Charley’s Twin

    exactly. people are not angry because of one game, and the suggestion is rather annoying

  • Hodges14

    But the point is the Yankees are the ones winning and making a profit every year and the Mets are the ones that are losing every year on the field and in the bank account. I don’t understand why any Mets fan would look at the Yankees and think the Mets are doing anything better than the Yankees are.

  • Hodges14

    He’s very good at gutting payroll and spinning a story around it and that is what he was sent here to do. I’m sure his bosses in the commissioner’s office and the Wilpon’s creditors are very happy with the job he’s doing as the GM of the Mets.

  • I wasn’t really implying they need to follow the Cards specific model or the Angels, Dodgers or the trendy picks. Just using them of an example of how many teams are filling their pen.

    Also to your point on Holliday and Pujols. Pujols had 2 years left at 14.5m when they signed Holliday. Is that way better than the Mets signing Granderson after just paying Wright?

    The Cards do everything well so you can’t just say, go do what they do. Of course it isn’t that easy. Again I was just mentioning the trend.

  • Jeff

    We have the pieces we need right now to make this a solid bullpen

    Valverde, Montero, DeGrom, Rice ,Lannan, Familia, Torres, Germen
    so you bring up Montero and DeGrom now and lose out on the extra year of control, to try and put yourself in a position to win these next 2 weeks. Guess what, if both Montero and DeGrom are as good as their minor league numbers, along with Syndergaard the ball park will start to fill up and you can extend these kids long before free agency. The Angels just extended Trout 2 1/2 years into the majors.

  • Hodges14

    I agree 100% that there is nothing wrong with bringing up pitchers who may have a future as a starter and letting them start their major league careers in the bullpen. This used to be common practice.

  • Sunshine

    Not to Mention Darren O’Day. He’s been pretty good too.

  • Hodges14

    Try to win and the rest of the stuff is a non-issue. Play games with kids service time instead of trying to win and you open yourself up to questions about your intentions.

  • BennyA8-27-74

    Agreed! I also have been rooting for the Chicago Blackhawks for years, and they are the ideal example of how an owner can make a difference. The Hawks were considered the worst-run organization in professional sports into William Wirtz died and his son Rocky took over.

  • Sunshine

    One of the worst trades I can remember.

  • Hodges14

    Actually, the Yankees won more games in the 80s than the Mets did. If there was a team of the 80s in the NL it might be the Cardinals, they won the WS in 1982, lost in 1985 in large part to a bad call and lost again in 1987.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Oh man. Tonight’s lineup is soooooo sweet.

    Lagares started only because Murphy was out? Bam. Lagares in CF again.
    Flores will probably never play? Bam. Starting at 2B tonight.
    Chris Young will probably play CF? Bam. Lagares.

  • Matlack

    Hi Metropolitan, you call people “Sandy lovers” and such, so I’ll ask: what do you suppose is the motivation, if what you say is true? Seems strange that a grown man would have such affection for a person he’s never met.

    Do you characterize those who disagree with you in life in such facile terms? Or just as it relates to this subject?

  • willymayshayes

    Aldersons BP’s have been terrible. It is because some ill spent money, (Franky F-bomb was terrible and most agreed when the deal was first inked) But, mostly because of the lack of funding. Of course, CJM is going to tell me it’s not Aldersons fault, it’s 100% a crap shot. It’s simply bad luck.

    He’s going to further explain this to me by using a team (the Yankees) who play in a league with a DH and won 4 out of their 5 WS championships with a Great BP.

  • shouldaswung

    Correction. ” we have pitching in the minors that WE HOPE will improve this bullpen”

    The bullpen will most likely be a problem all season, as it looked like it was going to be, regardless of Parnell’s injury or just one bad game, in my opinion.

  • Name

    Montero is a starter.

  • Fonzie

    Bullpen has been horrible since Duaner Sanchez’s late night cab ride, looking for a late night snack. The 2010 bullpen was terrible too, the 3.59 ERA not withstanding. Most folks know that you don’t judge relievers by their ERA except a guy who writes about baseball for a living in Marc Carig. Alderson has done a terrible job for the most part but he should not have to go out and build an entire bullpen year after year. There should be in-house options but there never are any when it comes to the Mets. They can’t even develop relievers. What a bleepin joke.

  • Hodges14

    Doesn’t mean he can’t be a reliever temporarily if the major league team has a need. Lot’s of great starting pitchers started their major league careers in the bullpen.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    “We’re in the process of introducing more of our young players into that bullpen.” I guess he considers Farnsworth a “young player.”

    If he was really serious about building up the bullpen with young talent, he would have never resigned Farnsworth. He would have promoted Carreno or Socolovich to be the final guy in the BP.

  • oleosmirf

    There is no real defense for Sandy’s inability to acquire good relievers. I can understand not spending and that the prospects aren’t ready, but other teams have been able to find good cheap arms in FA. There is no reason why Sandy’s only successful BP signing in 3 years was LaTroy Hawkins.

    Sandy simply has signed the wrong players and that’s his fault.

  • pastline63

    He would have a more keen approach to things after getting his fingers burned.

  • Matlack

    Agreed. I’d like to see DeGrom and Mazzoni(if healthy) eased into the bigs via the pen. Whether they stay there is up to their performance. While Super 2 is a non-issue for them, I’m sure SA is thinking about the extra year of arb. Tough call.

  • Matt Mosher

    He whiffed miserably with DJ Carrasco and Francisco.

  • metsfan79

    Valverda farnsworth torres rice youth movement in full effect lol

  • metsfan79

    Not for the mets and least we forget collins is the manager he will ruin the kids up down over use them no thanks.

  • metsfan79

    He isnt a baseball guy . Thats it cut payroll field a team save money while trying to save face.
    Look I dislike collins and think he is putrid but hard to fight a war when your general is giving you rocks to face bazookas

  • metsfan79

    Sandy cant build bullpens huh he cant build a team what has he done? Byrd that was luck torres for pagan that was a good one where is tje major league talent this giy brought in anywhere? He blows. I guess his saving grace was locking up t.collins . WTF

  • jason bay

    2008 it was 13th at 4.27.

    IMO opinion there are three things that significantly impact the bullpen.

    1) How deep your starters go into games. when our starters in 2010 Santana Dickey, Pelfrey and Niese are throwing 175-200 that gives your pen a chance to regroup.

    2) The weakest link causes undue pressure on everyone who is not stinking up the joint and erodes their performance.

    3) The number of players who have options that allow you to send them down or bring them up as circumstances dictate, effectively lengthening your bullpen from 7 to as many as 14 throughout the year.

    In regard to options, teams are limited to 40 off season roster spots every year so each guy you bring in eliminates one roster spot for a Puello, Flores or Lagares in A+ and it would have been a sin to lose guys like that over bringing in some Scott Schowenweis or something.

    Relievers have to be developed or it will always be a crapshoot. The Mets since 2000 have developed who? Heilman and Parnell have been good for a couple of years. Smith, Lindstrom and Bell have had good years. Feliciano picked up in April of 2003 has had a few really good years but thats’s only 6 guys and 3 of them weren’t really here very long or at all and your talking about a decade and a half.

    The choices that were brought in here the last few years haven’t been great but how are you going to get Joe Nathan to come here? Balfour didn’t want to come here and it’s not like Madson and Broxton did anything to help the Reds, Bell with Miami, Feliciano with the Yankees, Cahill and Miller with the Red Sox, on and on and on.

  • jason bay

    Carrasco and FFF were really bad reaches.

  • jason bay

    Exactly right Fonzie,

    Even when we have developed a reliever we’re more likely to trade them away (Smith, Lindstrom, Bell) or fumble them (O’Day-rule 5) which always puts us right back at needing 5 more relievers.

    Complete joke of a player development plan the Mets have.

    The Braves incredibly have gotten O’Flaherty and Varvaro off waivers from Seattle and Carpenter from Boston meaning they would have had to pass unclaimed through the entire AL and most of the NL before getting to Atlanta. Avilan IFA-2005, Gearrin 4th round 2007, Kimbrel 3rd round 2008 and Venters 30th round 2003) Plus Walden for Hanson a guy they were going to DFA. Seems easy doesn’t it.

    Hey maybe now that we have a catcher things might improve in that department.

  • jason bay

    Ugh…..The Yankees didn’t have to sign any time bomb closers because they had…..you guessed it. Mariano Rivera. They also drafted David Robertson and traded for Jeff Nelson in the Tino trade and paid with prospects from the farm.

  • GB

    This has always been my point. The BP is the ONLY area he has actually made decisions on. He sucks. He is the worst GM is sports. He always tries to go minor league deals to pitchers who were once good and they suck now. The only correct move he has ever made was last year with LaTroy Hawkins…and the moron let him go because he was too cheap to give him a 2 year deal. Why doesn’t anyone bring this up? This guy should go to jail for robbing the Mets of 4 million a year.

  • jason bay

    What did Milwaukee really do though to make that pen better that off season? (prior to 2013)

    They got two good years out of FA’s they signed in 2009 and 2010, brought up Thornburg (3rd round 2010) and after not re-signing K Rod, brought him back in June or July.

    Basically what improved their bullpen was work they had done 3 or 4 years earlier and K Rod being quite a bit better than he had been after they brought him back.

  • LIKayLGM

    Terrible – BP issues since 2007. Anyone see that the Braves picked up Beato off of waivers today? I thought only the Mets did that? 😉

  • jason bay

    What changed with the Dodgers?

    They promoted Janson who they signed in 2004 as an IFA to closer, Bellisaro who they picked up in 2009 (non tender) had a really good year in between two mediocre ones. They also signed Jamey Wright to a 1 year deal who had a higher ERA than Rauch did with us. Josh Lindblom 2nd round 2008 had a good year as did Javy Guerra (4th round 2004) and Scott Elbert (1st round 2004) but they drafted those guys years before.

    The only thing that they did that year was trade for Brandon League (with prospects) at the deadline and sign Coffey (who sucked) in the off season.

    Basically what these examples prove is that it was the work done 3-9 years before that provided the Dodgers and the Brewers above with their improved bullpens.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Lets be fair here. Lots of pundits thought the Mets had the potential to have a deep and quality bullpen and they still do….problem is the dynamic arms are in AA and AAA and didn’t come north.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Not a Sandy apologist….but sometimes just sometimes the players need to perform. Putting on a Met uniform is like Samson cutting his hair.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    This should have happened long ago…I am stumped why Walters Matz and Leathersich are in the minors..Any of the three would be an upgrade to the bullpen. The goal is to get 27 outs. The best 10 pitchers to get you 27 outs per game should be on your team.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    I said it since the winter….Sandy is like your crazy grandmother that puts plastic on the sofa….he collects prospects but is scared poopless to take the bubble wrap off to let them succeed or fail.
    24-26 year old prospects DO NOT need seasoning.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Yup….but this is the same guy that did nothing at 1b or SS. Alderson is stubborn…he will not bring anyone up other than Black or maybe sign Cordero

  • Matlack

    I can’t tell if you’re being serious, but Matz is far from ready, and to rush a great prospect like him up now to help with the bullpen would be a fireable offense, IMO. Leathersich is closer, but he walks the dang ballpark.

    I agree with you on Walters. I generally support this front office, but Farnsworth looks done. I hope he proves me wrong.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Semi Serious. The point was more age is a number. Talent should determine what level they are at….Kids go to the Olympics at 17 yet Mets management fees an elite athlete needs to be seasoned into their mid 20s. Plawecki is a good example. He played at college ball for 4 years. He should be almost ready…like this September
    Matz looked big time ready in ST. I know its a huge jump but if he was in the bullpen he would be one of your top 2 guys. Leathersich walks guys and so does Black but both have electric stuff. Walks go down with confidence and they’ll only gain that kind of confidence by trial and fire in the bigs.

  • WillisReid

    I disagree. I think guys like Walters and deGrom will be available after April.

  • Mets Fan in NC

    …and he’ll be a stud. Mets could trade for Giancarlo Stanton and he would trip break his toe the first day in the clubhouse and hit 12 home runs for the rest of his career

  • Mets Fan in NC

    I would guess we will be stuck with re-treads and maybe a Cordero signing until mid-late May

  • Mets Fan in NC

    We have internal options yet we prefer not to call them up yet. The AA and AAA bullpens and rotations are stacked

  • Mets Fan in NC

    I seen your uncle and I beg to differ 🙂

  • WillisReid

    The next post up is pretty telling.

  • Shocked…should say no Mets fan ever.

  • Mets Fan in Paris

    Dear Sandy: Challenging this team you put together to win 90 games is the equivalent of challenging you to do your job with no computer and no calculator…but just a pencil and piece of paper.