A Free Agent After Next Season, Should Mets Offer Murphy An Extension?

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One of the unsung heroes of Tuesday night’s 6-1 victory over the Phillies was second baseman Daniel Murphy who went 3-for-5 with a run, RBI and his sixth stolen base of the season.

“We’ve played well,” Murphy said. “This would be a good way to start the road trip.”

With the win the Mets are now four games over .500 for the first time since July 14, 2012, and their 15 wins in April are their most since 2007.

It was Murphy who put the Mets on the board when he delivered a two-out, RBI single to plate shortstop Ruben Tejada.

The three hits raised Murphy’s average to .304 for the season and extended his hitting streak to 10 games.

His stolen base extended his streak of consecutive successful steals to 28, only five away from matching Kevin McReynolds for the franchise record.

What is most surprising about Murphy is the job he’s done at second base. While he’ll never win a gold glove at the position, his range, glove work and instincts at second base have improved so much, it’s no longer the concern it used to be and I’d go as far as saying he’s transformed himself into an average defender.

Murphy is coming off a solid 2013 season that produced a .286 batting average, 38 doubles, 13 homers, 78 RBI, 92 runs scored and 23 stolen bases. He finished in the National League’s top ten in base hits, doubles, runs scored and even stolen bases.

Back in February, Murphy told reporters that he was open to signing a contract extension with the Mets.

“You see an organization heading in the direction that we’re heading, it’s an exciting time. So you always want to be a part of that. …But I do want to be a part of the solution.”

This past Winter, Murphy and the Mets avoided arbitration and agreed to a $5.7 million contract for the 2014 season.

However, with only one more year of arbitration left, Murphy becomes a free agent after next season. 

What do you think? Should the Mets offer Murphy a three-year extension?

I love everything about Murphy; his intensity, his focus, his desire to win. He’s far from perfect, but he fits perfectly on this team. I wouldn’t be the least bit opposed to offering him a three-year deal in the $25-30 million range.

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  • Novito

    Yes i would. Murphs a true gamer! We need more players like him. Gritty!

  • Novito

    I just left a comment but it disappeared
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    But YES! I would. Murphs a true gamer & gritty player! We need more players like him. He’s probably the only hardcore player on the team. Everyone else is soft.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Pay the man. No doubt about it. Sadly, I don’t think they will.

  • wwdwd

    Yes murph is 1 of the captains on this team

  • the_nardling

    I love Murph. Love the hustle, the bat, even the walkup music. He’s a true Met. This team is going to be good in the next few years and he deserves to be part of it when it happens. Pay the man.

  • OriginalMetsFan

    I’ve always been in favor of moving Murphy and bringing up Flores, but I love Murph, he is a gamer and a leader on this team. Lets sign him long term and trade flores, montero, matz and a lower A ball bat for Tulo.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    I like murphy, but if Flores is ready then bring him up and trade murphy, his value is up and we could get someone good for him prospect wise…
    On the other side on things, this man is clutch and one of best hitters we got, in a offense as putrid and pathetic as this you need all the offense you can get from anyone… it’ll be a tough situation no doubt

  • mynewdisqusname

    Depends on if Flores is going to be a second baseman or not. A 2-3 year deal for Murph is a great placeholder if Herrara continues to get better.

  • RyanF55

    I’ve stated my appreciation for Murphy many times here. He’s turned into a real solid all around 2nd baseman. He plays his ass off and brings it every single night, every single at bat, every single play. He’s a guy you’d like to have around… and if he’s surrounded by quality hitters, Murphy is incredibly valuable. I think he’s unappreciated across the league, and it favors the Mets to pay him for less than what he probably deserves to keep him around. Flores has not shown that Murphy should be moving out of the way for him, and he’s at a completely different position right now. I’d sign Murph to a 3 year deal.

  • mets4lyfe

    Murphy is 29 year-old 2B that provides pretty much league average offense and slightly below-average defense. I’m not sure he’s someone that the Mets should immediately look to lock up.

  • Eyeball

    I miss the days when Keith called him “Young Daniel.” He’s not so young any more and should be extended – he’s a solid player.

  • Fast Eddie

    Murphy is a bonafide ML player and a definite plus in the Mets’ lineup. That said, I believe his greatest value to the team is as trade bait for a more powerful bat. So, yes, the Mets should lock him up at a price that will be attractive to other clubs in a year or two, at which time Dilson Herrera should be ready to replace him at 2B in Flushing.

    Veloz

  • oleosmirf

    Murphy is a league average 2B. We will get about 100 games worth of Flores in the majors this season to see if he can be a viable replacement.

    If so, then expect Murphy to be traded with Flores as his permanent successor and the cash saved (~7.5 mil) used to fill holes elsewhere.

  • OriginalMetsFan

    Love the new name Alex.. Respect!

  • BCleveland3381

    The problem is, I just have no idea what Murphy’s value is on the open market. He’s a really good hitter, but offers very little power. He’s a really good gap to gap doubles hitter. He is a really good base stealer, but offers average speed. His value offensively as a 2B is really good, but his defense suffers. His value defensively at 1B or 3B is higher, but his offensive value drops.

    He’s making 5.7 mil right now, with 1 year of arbitration left. A solid year guarantees a solid bump in pay. I would offer Murphy a 3 year 30 million extension starting next season. We buy out his final year of arbitration plus two free agent years. He gets a significant raise and still gets to go to free agency again at age 32. We get him for all his prime years. I think it’s a pretty fair deal for both sides.

  • gmwannabees

    As much as murph is a fan fav, he can be very frustrating. He needs to avoid the prolonged slumps that he is so accustomed to.He should be a batting champ, but at rimes he gets himself out.

  • Novito

    While watching games on other teams broadcasts, the casters always say “this guy is a hitter” or “this guy can flat out hit”. Murph is the man. I like Flores a lot but he hasn’t proven he can hit in the show like Murph can. However, i would assume we would get a nice return for one the NL’s top 2b.

  • depressed Mets fan

    Murph is a great player to have when you have well rounded roster but when Murph is one of your best players you’re in trouble. I would like to see Murph remain a Met but it depends on what else is done to improve the roster. I don’t want them to use giving Murph an extension as an excuse for not making a move to bring in a legit difference maker.

  • BCleveland3381

    Banking on Flores is dangerous. His upside as a hitter is slightly better than what Murphy is. His floor could be significantly lower, we just don’t know. His defense at 2B is probably pretty comparable. With so few proven hitters in our lineup, Im not sure taking one out is a good thing.

    I agree, with this team’s finances, that this is the most likely scenario. I just wouldn’t do it, personally.

  • Novito

    League avg but top NL 2b. At least as far as offensive categories. If i’m not mistaken, he was in top offensive categories last season. I think he’s a keeper. He has come a long way and deserves a reward.

  • BCleveland3381

    The Rockies aren’t giving us Tulo unless we give them a TON. It would start with Syndergaard and Lagares and probably a couple of other mid level prospects as well.

  • Zalmen

    How often do you see a guy who all the experts said is a terrible defender and a terrible baseruner turn in to the player Murphy has become
    Shows what type of player worker and hustler he is
    Lock him up it pays to have a guy like this on your team

  • MyasDaddy

    The problem with Murph is he’s good all the intangibles that we like. He gets dirty, he hustles, he plays hard etc. What does that translate into dollar wise? I’m not sure. If it were me, if I could trade him for a lock down bullpen arm. I would do it in a heartbeat.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    How are we getting 100 games out of Flores?

  • BCleveland3381

    Good point. Although its possible he’s is brought up to play SS at some point. Otherwise, it will take an injury to get him in the lineup. Even if the Mets were to move Murphy, it wouldn’t happen until right around the trade deadline.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Novito, that’s the point i am trying to make… It’ll be a tough decision for the FO to make on murph. but if we get a nice package for Flores that involve a player that can hit Right now i wouldn’t be upset, if the mets feel flores is ready i wouldn’t mind Murph traded for good prospects either…

  • Sean

    When murphy hits we win. Its really as simple as that. He either drives in EY or wright drives him in. I love his awkward running so i’d hate to see him go.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Correct. Unless Tejada goes down tomorrow, Flores is not getting anywhere near 100 games. Even if Tejada went down, I don’t think Flores is first on the list of names to replace him.

    I’m guessing 100 means 100 at bats.

  • BCleveland3381

    Wait, you would trade Murphy for a bullpen arm? No way I would settle that low. I’d rather keep him on the roster and let him walk after 2015 than dump him for a bullpen arm.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    OMF, thanks man… it’s the least i can do for one of the best people i’ve met and had the pleasure to talk baseball with…
    I hope MMO does the same and induct him into the HOF as the first blogger ever…

  • Hodges14

    Thing is are they going to be willing to bring back major league players who are making major league salaries? Or are they going to trade Murph for Single A players that they won’t have to pay for 5 or 6 years (if they ever pan out at all)? If they’re not getting major league talent back then why trade him?

  • Hodges14

    If Tejada went down in a forest would anyone notice? Not going to be too hard to replace his production.

  • RyanF55

    I disagree that he’s league average offensively, for the position, in the NL, he’s far above average.

  • Big Daddy D

    I would. A better 2B won’t be easy. He’s solid..sometimes streaky, but certainly a centerpeice of this team that would be hard to replace with an upgrade.

  • Blaiseda

    Murph is my favorite met and his dedication is an example to the rest of the team. Having said that if Flores can’t make the move to SS the team is obligated to think long and hard about letting Wilmer take over 2b. It’s just the game as it is now. The money we’d save could be put to another use.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    That’s not really in question here.

  • RyanF55

    I don’t think Murph gets enough credit as an offensive player. He’s above league average offensively for the position…In 2013 his ranks among NL 2nd baseman: (Borderline All-Star level IMO)

    1st in Runs: 92
    1st in Hits: 188
    1st in Doubles: 38
    1st in Steals: 23
    2nd in RBIs: 78
    2nd in Triples: 4
    2nd in AVG: .286
    4th in OBP: .319
    6th in HRs: 13

    So far in 2014: (Still too early to really tack stock in, but hey)

    1st in Runs: 15
    3rd in Hits: 31
    4th in Doubles: 4
    4th in RBIS: 9
    5th in OBP: .339
    5th in AVG: .304

    He’s certainly above average offensively, unquestionably. He’s worth keeping around.

  • MyasDaddy

    Not just any bullpen arm. A lights out closer/8th inning guy. The number of games we have lost the last 7 years because we didn’t have that “guy” is astounding. Since we have limited resources. I think that money should be allocated elsewhere.

  • mad met

    100 % yes not a question about it Murphy is totally underrated 300 plus hitter with 25 sb and has made himself into a very nice second basemen .. This is a team first guy and someone that can hit playoff caliper pitching . This is a hard nose baseball player that has a place on my team any day of the week … How would anyone like to see Murphy playing for the Yankees not me my friends not me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Who is this “lock down bullpen arm”?

  • upandadam

    I wouldn’t mind signing him to a 4 year deal, 7-8 Mil a year. I was thinking along the lines of like 6 mil maybe 6.5 but i found out already makes 5.7 this year. Maybe we could get a slight hometown discount?

  • MyasDaddy

    Hmm… If the Yanks offered Robertson for Murphy. I would make that trade in a heartbeat.

  • blastingzone

    Are you kidding me? Next to Wright Murphy is the best hitter on the team and he has
    become a very good 2nd baseman too! He is in his prime they need to lock him up now!

  • mets2014

    he would absolutely make over $10M a year if he signed in the AL…he is not going to leave all that money on the table…if the mets truly want to keep him they will need to shell out some considerable cash…I bet they pass on him and unload him prior to 2015 season

  • MyasDaddy

    Maybe Joakim Soria? Guys of that ilk.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    They’re not doing that.

  • MyasDaddy

    I know. Whose more valuable to their team? Murph or Robertson?

  • Chrisshea

    I like Flores’ upside as a right handed bat in a time when right handed power is scarce. The Mets need legit RH bats and Flores would be a good replacement for 1/15th the cost.

    Plus, Murphy could bring the Mets at least one top prospect, which unfortunately this team will need moving forward due to ownership’s obvious financial problems.

    We all need to realize that the Mets are not a big market team anymore in terms of money being put into the team. Trades like this aren’t a probability, they’re bedded art.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    For the Yankees? Robertson, imo. They’d be better off with Murphy, but I don’t think they’d deal Robertson. They’ll always spend money first, make deals later. I can’t remember the last time the Yankees even made a trade. haha.

  • MyasDaddy

    I meant overall. Is Murphy more valuable to the Mets? Or is Robertson more valuable for the Yanks?

  • They need to keep him. Who else do we have with his kind of consistency? Wright certainly peaks higher but Murphy just seems to keep doing it. Let’s lock him in.

  • upandadam

    I’d assume he would get something similar to what Aaron Hill received, 5yrs/46 mil (it was backloaded though), maybe slightly less if he hit the open market. Hill got that coming off a year he hit .300 with 26 HRs. I’m hoping for some sort of hometown discount, even if it’s the slightest amount. Murph just strikes me as the kind of guy that isn’t all about the money, so long as he gets paid a fair amount.

  • Eyeball

    Sanctimonious Guy says: “Not after he put himself before the team by missing two very important games in March/April to witness the birth of his child.”

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    That’s the question Hodges…. Even on this winning we got going on, fans are skeptical because they don’t believe in the team nor the owners and specially the FO.
    I can see Murphy being traded mid season…

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    To me, I think Murphy is more valuable to the Mets.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    If we had money, I’d say sure. Since we likely don’t, we have to use $$$ elsewhere.

  • mets2014

    I honestly think if he had to choose between the mets and say Baltimore and the difference was a couple of million over the course of a 4 year deal, he would probably stay…I don’t mean this is in a negative way, but these players bust their butts for many years to get where they are and they shouldn’t settle for what may be the only shot at a big payday…despite his defensive shortcomings, murphy has good value especially in the AL where he could be play a bulk of time at DH

  • TheMets philosophy

    Is this Matt cerrone?

  • igotyourbackman

    Absolutely.

  • skyking26

    Murphy will be traded before this season ends and EYJ will be at 2b. I don’t think Murphy should be resigned even at a bargain price. I want 2b free for Wilmer Flores.

  • MyasDaddy

    Why?

  • Peter S

    I’ve never been a fan of murph. I don’t know why, I just never really liked his game. I think it’s because of the fact that the Mets don’t have enough players around him to make his small contributions bigger. But he is growing on me day by day, year by year. I wouldn’t extend him yet. But another couple of months like this and an increase in power numbers will change my mind.

  • Xavier 22

    Why don’t you think he should be re-signed “even at a bargain price”? He’s not a HOF, but he is one of those secondary players that can contribute to a champion ballclub (like Wally Backman).

  • BCleveland3381

    A lot of people seem really willing to hand Flores the 2B job. Daniel Murphy has been our most consistent offensive player the last few seasons. You know you aren’t getting HRs from him. If you get 10-15 HR from Murphy over a full season, that’s about what you can expect. But you can also expect him to hit .285-.300 and get you right around 40 doubles a year. He’s also one of the best base stealers in baseball. The guy is stealing bases left and right despite having nothing more than average speed.

    We are supposed to be competing now. Everything Sandy has done has pointed towards this season being the start of contention. You can’t get rid of your most consistent hitter in a weak lineup and plug a rookie in there who might be decent unless you get a really good return for Murphy.

    If Murphy is dealt in a package that gets us our SS of the future, then it makes some sense. But if it’s a move made to clear Murphy’s salary, and the return is nothing more than an A ball or AA prospect, the move will be horrible.

  • Jgreen

    Murphy deserves a big contract and I hope mets can at least show they are going to negotiate with him.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    .286 batting average, 38 doubles, 13 homers, 78 RBI, 92 runs scored and 23 stolen bases. Look at the numbers,not the player. Good enough for 2B on a contender? Hell, yeah. But ALWAYS with the caveat, “Unless they can do better.”

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Because I think taking Robertson out of the Yankees pen has less of an impact than taking Murphy out of the Mets lineup.

  • upandadam

    I agree. I’m not saying give him a 5 year deal worth 5 mil a year. That wouldn’t even be lowballing, that’d be insulting. I think he absolutely deserves to get a raise, but if the difference in pay is only slightly off, like you said, I do think he’d prefer to be on the mets, but that’s me just guessing.

  • MyasDaddy

    Also the fact that Murph plays 155 plus games a year. I don’t knock Murph don’t get me wrong. I just think with the payroll constraints we need to budget our money elsewhere. Giving guys like Flores a chance at a 1/10 of the price and 7 years younger.

  • Novito

    Definitely

  • Wolfmicky21

    “While he’ll never win a gold glove at the position” shades of cerrone

  • Martin

    flores.

  • oleosmirf

    The problem is you are using mostly counting stats which are tied to how many PA you have. Now of course durability is valuable, but Murphy is not a better offensive 2B than Aaron Hill, Chase Utley or Neil Walker and you can make good cases for Gyorko, Rendon, Gennett and Scutaro too.

    You are also forgetting that Matt Carpenter played 2B last year.

  • oleosmirf

    How?

    With the way Tejada is playing, you’re telling me Flores won’t be here by the first week in June? (which so happens to give the Mets an extra year of control btw) That gives him 4 months of playing virtually everyday to see whether his bat is good enough to get a starting role going into 2015…

  • Mike

    No way he’s not young he’ll be 31 when he’s a free agent, his defense is cringe worthy, he doesn’t walk, he hits mostly singles, the sb thing is fluky he’s not fast at all, can’t sneak in 23 sb every yr and he’s very streaky. Not too mention we have plenty of in-house option going forward, Eric young, flores and Herrera. Murph is a nice little player, but let someone else pay him 10 mm a yr.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’ll believe Flores will take over for Tejada when I see it.

  • MyasDaddy

    Brian, I think what it really boils down to is payroll. If the Mets had a healthy one…I think that would be a different story.

  • Mike

    One of the best sb leaders in mlb? What was his sb high before last yr?

  • oleosmirf

    I believe that’s the plan all along. Give Tejada 2 months to see if he can do it and then call-up Flores right after his FA is delayed which according to my quick math should be around June 6th.

  • BCleveland3381

    A guy that’s a career .319 hitter with RISP, strikes out in just 13% of his ABs(on a team where it seems like everyone in the lineup Ks 20% of the time), is a lock for 35 doubles and a .285+ average, and now it seems like might be a perennial 20 SB per year guy and a lot of fans are ready to dump his salary for an unknown commodity in Flores? Yes, we need to save money because our owners are cheap. But you save that money by moving a position of strength, not one of our few reliable bats. If we need to knock a few million off of payroll to fill other needs for next year, you do that by moving pitching, not offense.

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    Absolutely. More Murphy.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I don’t trust this FO to make that move. Like I said, I’ll believe it when I see it. And don’t forget, it’s also on Flores to show he’s capable.

  • Mike

    Perennial 20 sb guy? Lol yeah cause last yrs total doesn’t scream fluke!

  • BCleveland3381

    As a base stealer, he’s great. He has average speed and swipes bags with ease. There are plenty of fast guys that can’t steal a base to save their life. Have Murphy and Juan Lagares do a 100 yard dash, Lagares would smoke him. But Lagares hasn’t learned how to steal bases, Murphy has.

    I didn’t say he was one of the best SB leaders. I said he’s one of the best base stealers. Meaning he knows how to steal a base. There is more to it than just speed.

  • Mike

    That just speaks to the fact that the mets have no hitters not that Murphy is so great

  • oleosmirf

    Well he had a slow start, but in his last 15 games he’s hit 295/.371/.426 /798 with 1 HR and 12 RBI and he’s finally starting to draw walks too.

    Given that Tejada is currently the worst starting SS in baseball, it’s not much of a reach to say Ruben has one month left before being replaced by Flores.

  • BCleveland3381

    If you are watching what Murphy is doing, he knows how to steal a base. There is more to it than speed. Last year was a fluke? How about 6 more steals in 24 games this season?

  • Yes they should as it gives them more options. An extension doesn’t mean you can’t trade them, it often makes them more valuable. So assuming a decent price, I see no downside.

  • Mike

    You’re right he’s Ricky Henderson

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Great. Hopefully he shows he’s capable, but it’s hardly the slam dunk everyone seems to think. Not to mention his six errors.

  • BCleveland3381

    He’s our 2nd best offensive player. EY is terrible. Flores is unproven. And Herrera is nowhere near MLB ready.

  • BCleveland3381

    Ignorance at it’s finest.

  • Mike

    Before last season his high was 10. The yr before was 5 w/5 CS. He was CS last nite and now that catchers and p know he’s going to try and steal 20 bags a yr they’ll be more defensive

  • Tectaru

    He’s continuing into this year too so at what point is it not a fluke? 6 SBs in April puts him on a nice pace for a repeat year.

  • Mike

    At least EY walks Murphy swings at every thing Ike Davis had a higher obb than Murphy last yr and he hit 200!

  • Taskmaster4450

    People dont seem to pay attention.

    Defense was never a high priority to Alderson and still isnt. He is bought into the big OF requiring guys who can run (no more Duda out there) but I dont believe he is so inclined on the IF. Hence, Flores is being groomed to be the next Met SS so he will not affects Murphy’s position going forward.

    So yes the Mets should extend Murphy. The question is will they? Flores or any other replacement isnt the deciding factor but the ever present financial situation. Do the Mets have the funds to pay Murphy is the big question. I think they can if they so desire but a lot will depend upon the pitching. Will they lock up a guy like Gee to a contract eating up some of the funds?

    Murphy is the most 2nd most productive hitter over the past few seasons and showing no signs of letting up. A 3 year deal would be manageable because it doesnt remove the trade possibility. In fact, teams might be more interested if it is a team friendly deal.

  • BCleveland3381

    Or maybe Murphy became a better base stealer. You keep ignoring the fact that stealing bases is a learned baseball skill.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Flores is going to be the team SS. He will have no impact on Murphy.

  • BCleveland3381

    Are you trying to argue that EY is a comparable offensive player to Daniel Murphy? Please don’t do that, for your own reputation’s sake….

  • Mike

    Teams were thrown off because he never stole more than 10 I’m a yr now that they no he’s attempting more he’ll get thrown out more because he’s not fast CS last nite

  • RS

    He play s hard, and doesn’t miss games.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Some people simply have no clue.

  • BCleveland3381

    He didn’t get CS last night. He got ANOTHER SB last night.

  • Mike

    Well teams now know that someone with avereage at best speed is trying to steal more so let’s see how they respond. I predict alot more CS like last nite and too many of those it becomes counter productive like when he was CS 5 times two yrs ago

  • Matlack

    If the terms of the extension are reasonable, then the club should extend Murph. while his name comes up in trade rumors quite a lot, it’s safe to presume the erstwhile trading partner would seek to extend him anyway. While I am in favor of trading Murph for an asset that will help the club in deficient areas, I have been pleasantly surprised by his defense. While I was a believer in the experiment to convert him in the first place, I did not expect his improvement to continue. He is still improving, especially at double plays.

  • Tectaru

    Speed is only part of the equation, knowing when to go is more important. You think the great Ricky Henderson stole bases purely on speed?

  • Mike

    He’s prob worth more in terms of war. Daniel Murphy is a bad defender that really really hurts his value. It seems like every gm he boots a ball doesn’t range well to get a grounder messes up a dp and despite his contact rate he doesn’t get on base that much because he swings at everything

  • oleosmirf

    Of course, but Flores is not viewed by the organization as their SS of the future. Just a possible placeholder at the position this season.

    I do think that after 4 months in the majors, we’ll have a good idea what he’s capable of doing at the plate and how he compares to Murphy.

  • jaygreen55

    38 doubles 13 hrs and 78 RBI with 92 runs scored make him a run producer not a singles hitter

    Maybe last year’s 23 steals was a fluke but he’s on pace to steal 30 this year so maybe not

    His defense may not be pretty but it has become more than adequate. He’s made some very nice plays

    The in house options are nowhere near as good. Eric Young is no better a defensive 2nd baseman and is a big drop off offensively. Wilmer Flores has yet to show he can hit major league pitching, is weak defensively and is hitting under 250 in Vegas. Dilson Herera shows Aton of promise but is in A ball and at least 2 years away.

    Your arguments simply don’t fit the fActs. Extending him now to a team
    Friendly contract doesn’t mean he can’t be traded if it helps the team and is certainly better than letting him walk for a draft pick if you make him a QO or nothing at all if you don’t

  • Actually unless I missed another one, his out at 2nd last night didn’t count as a CS.

  • Mike

    We’ll he missed an entire yr a few yrs ago and missed the last 2 months the yr after. He should get more days off because he has long stretches every yr when he’s like 2-30

  • Mike

    And he was CS later in the gm sorry

  • Taskmaster4450

    EYJ is a horrible defender at 2B. That is why the Rockies moves him to the OF. It wasnt because they had an AS 2B for the 6 years EYJ was there.

    Come on man…cut the EYJ lovefest. He has speed and that is all.

  • Taskmaster4450

    No that was not a CS.

    He tried to advance on a wild pitch.

    Sorry but you are incorrect.

  • Mike

    Again this is a 30 yr old guy with a history of knee problems who is not fast and has only stole more than 10 bases once the odds are not in your favor

  • Taskmaster4450

    Flores is replacing Tejada when he is ready, not Murphy.

  • Sylow59

    How is he a top offensive 2Bman?:
    out of all 2Bman with 400+ PAs in 2013 and 2014:
    WC+ 12 / 26 15 / 28
    ISO 14 / 26 25 / 28
    fWAR 8 / 26 11 / 28
    How is that a “Top Offensive 2Bman”? I don’t hate Murphy, I’m just asking how this equates to a Top 2Bman? Simple question, you said it, now defend it.
    Oh, and BTW, this: 24 / 26 in defesive rating in 2013 (26 / 28 among players with 850+ PAs from 2012 through 2014).
    He is a poor fielder, albeit getting better, but still poor. He has no power and he is an average hitter.
    He is an average player. Is he the biggest problem? No. But we are not talking about Joe Morgan here.

  • Taskmaster4450

    What would you say to a 29 year old guy who never hit more than 16 HRs in any big league season ending up as one of the most feared sluggers in baseball? I bet you would say the odds werent in Jose Bautista’s favor either but he managed to do it.

  • $14435385

    Nope, 2-6 putout on your scorecard. No CS.

  • TPT

    it seems that your not realizing where in 2014 not 2004 and and as insane as it might be 10 millon for this kind of player is the going rate or maybe a bargain when you look at a A.J. Burnett getting 16.5 million to wind down a above avg career or a Chin Soo Choo who now gets 18.6 millon dollar per yr avg sallary for the next 7 yrs….

  • Mike

    He has been the worst or one of the worst 2nd baseman statistically the last two yrs. Last yr offensively was a career yr. The two yrs before he hit 12 hr combined. He has a low Obp because he never walks He has had multiple knee surgeries, and he’s not worth 7-10 mm a yr when we have to get a ss perhaps a rf and start locking up our young pitchers soon. Flores hit 320 last yr with power as one of the youngest players in the league, he also has much better hands than Murphy FACTS

  • mets2014

    I would think the odds of extending murphy are much greater than that of gee due to the pitching depth they have…I still think both will be traded

  • Martin

    one outlier doesnt change the odds

  • jaygreen55

    Flores’ upside would be that of a right handed Daniel Murphy. A solid bat with marginal defensive skills but he’s still a prospect and there’s no guarantee that he will pan out. It’s a small sample size but he’s yet to show he can handle major league pitching. A lot of “can’t miss” prospects have failed over the years Many of them with the Mets

  • Mike

    Not according to josh and howie I heard them say it was a CS and his steak was over

  • Martin

    true enough. but flores is cheap.

  • Mike

    Well that’s what howie and josh said

  • Taskmaster4450

    Could be although an extension to Gee does stop him from being traded either since it most likely will not include a no trade clause.

  • BCleveland3381

    EY is NOT worth more in terms of WAR. Why don’t you research and back your opinions up? This season, EY’s WAR is higher, but it’s already regressing and his offense is regressing to the mean. EY for his entire career is a 0.4 WAR player. Murphy’s career WAR is 9.0. Granted, he has more playing time, but Murphy is still a significantly better player.

  • oleosmirf

    But for a team with limited financial resources, is it wise to give Murphy 8 mil in 2015, 10 mil in 2016 and 12 mil in 2017, when you can pay Wilmer Flores 550K in 2015, 600K in 2016 and 3 mil in 2017 and use those funds to acquire a player at a different position, you otherwise couldn’t “afford.”

    Don’t you think you should see what you have in Flores before spending that kind of money?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Maybe take a quick look at the boxscore before posting to see if there is a CS recorded there. A jaunt over to ESPN would tell you there isnt.

  • Mike

    Oh so now Murphy is going to hit 50 hrs?? Lol I wouldn’t hold my breathe on that one. For every Bautista there are 50 one hit wonders like joe mauer and jacoby ellisbury (power wise)

  • Taskmaster4450

    Listen I like Flores but to state that he hit .320 in the PCL is nothing noteworthy.

    Q hit .333 his time there…how good a hitter do you think he is?

  • mets2014

    that is true, but his escalating salary may scare off teams…gee making under $4M in 2014 is much more attractive than making $7M in 2015…let the acquiring team battle over his future earnings

  • Scottydoeskno328

    Yes please let’s give our best hitter an extension already.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I wasnt referring to power numbers. Try to follow along.

    The point is that there are many who develop skills late.

    You claim Murphy cant steal bases when the evidence is proving otherwise.

  • Mike

    You’re really grasping at straws

  • EzRider

    Simple. YES.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Sure he is escalating that is why an extension often makes a player more tradeable since the numbers are known.

    Look at Niese, he isnt any less of a trade candidate because he signed an extension…in fact he is more attractive since it is a reasonable contract. The fact that he is the Mets only lefty starter above A ball is what keeps him in Flushing.

  • Mike

    Both of those contracts are insane and have been widely panned two wrongs don’t make a right

  • Mike

    Ey has been a part time player until this season so there goes THAT argument

  • gameball

    What do you think you’re seeing when you watch a Met game?

    Daniel Murphy stole 10-15 runs last year purely on his baserunning aggression and smarts, and he’s picking up this year where he left off.

  • Taskmaster4450

    And why was he a part time player for most of his career.

    Is it because Colorado had such terrific 2B for the past 6 years? Take a look at the names…not really.

    EYJ is proving what he is…not very good. He had a decent 2nd half for the Mets last season but is stinking up the place this year. His supporters want to point to the SBs…how about all the LOBs he has this year…..it is pathetic.

  • TPT

    if DW is the heart and sole of the Mets than Daniel Murphy is close behind and if DW is our best hitter then Daniel Murphy is our second best hitter and when talking about “clutch” nobody is more..and last year in that sorry season we had with DW injuried and Byrd traded and Harvey hurt only he kept producing as he always has..and his defense in no longer a weakness in fact its becoming a strenght…and lastly he wants to stay …how nice it is to hear that for a change? so EXTEND him already

  • mets2014

    ok that is a good way of looking at it…the important thing is he is under team control through 2016 so he is not a rental but rather in a worst case scenario a short term commitment

  • Mike

    Sorry howie and josh said it they’re right 99.9 % of the time with the box score. If you want to split hairs over a put out and a CS so u can justify hypothetically overpaying a heavily flawed player be my guess

  • Gary explained it last night. It did not count as a stolen base attempt because he did not start running until after the pitch.

    Appears to be right after checking box score. No caught stealing for Mets.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Funny thing is I dont think the Mets trade Gee. Everyone on here is convinced the Mets will go with a young rotation starting in 2015. I dont buy it. Alderson is not going to enter the season with a guy coming off TJ surgery (Harvey), Wheeler, Noah and Montero (on innings limits) and Mejia (also innings limits).

    The rotation needs some experience in it and one who can be counted upon to eat up innings. If Gee pitches close to 200 innings this season, that will be back to back years. For the price of about $5M, that is a deal. Remember, Pelfrey is getting $5.5M from the Twins both this year and next.

  • Mike

    Q is a 32 yr old veteran? Flores was literally one of the youngest players in the league, he’s 22. And he raked the yr before in Binghamton, again, as one if the youngest players in THAT league! Not impressive for you?

  • $14435385

    Sorry, I guess knowing the rules of the game gets to my head sometimes. Forgive my reach.

  • Mike

    He did it for one season and one month lets calm down not exactly a track record that’s too extensive. What happens if he starts getting CS 2,4 6? When does this new “skill” become counter productive? What if he damages his knee ligament again in an attempt and misses another two months like he did a few yrs ago? What would u say then? Still worth 40 mm??

  • mets2014

    I agree with you to an extent, but it is obvious that one or two of gee, niese and colon need to go…there is simply not enough room for them…so perhaps they keep gee, but will likely move colon and/or niese…I think moving all three is a stretch for the reasons you mention, but nothing in this life surprises me anymore…also another thing to consider in terms of “veteran” starters, if they do move all three, they could always sign next year’s version of dice k to compete in ST 2015

  • agetting

    it depends on the contract…

  • KEITH

    If anyone deserves to be part of the solution its Murph. Between injuries and position changes, he could have given up a long time ago. This guy has heart and desire. What other Met has been as passionate as Murph. Sign him.

  • Did you even watch the game? How are you confusing last nights play with a team looking for Murphy to steal and throwing him out. He didn’t even take off until the ball was in the dirt.

    Even so how would one CS prove your point?
    He’s 39/44 in stolen bases since 2012.

  • Mike

    Good for him! I’m happy for him doesn’t change the fact that it’s not a good idea paying him (as a 31 yr old) a 3-4 yr 40 mm contract especially when we have other options

  • Buster

    I would sign him. I know they are playing well, but to me catcher, first, short, left field are still question marks. How many of them will we need to upgrade after this year? Don’t add another question mark replacing Murphy.

  • Mike

    Well he’s right at the top of the league in sb and runs scored. And his Obp is about 120 pts higher than his average so if he just hits 250 he can have a 370 Obp and he’s not a butcher on the field like Murphy is

  • Mike

    Put out CS your splitting hairs pal he was caught and called out. The chances of him only getting CS 2 times again this yr trying to steal 25 bags as a below average runner are not good

  • skyking26

    I would not consider Murphy one of the best base stealers in the game. I consider Murphy as a player that has held his own and has had success swiping the bag. If Murph could increase his value or hold value. Moving him for a SS is the way to go contention or not. It’s the right move.

  • Djmurphy

    I’d imagine he’s going to get way more yeArs and way more money. This is going to be his first post arbitration deal. He will be looking to cash in big time. For a lot of players this is there biggest deal and the one that sets him up for life. A 25 million dollar contract would never happen not should it. He will be looking for a 7 year deal.

    He likes the mets and is very intrested in re signing. Last year I said if they weren’t going to trade they should have resigned. The problem is they were trying to deal that should not have kept them from an extension though. They could have bought out his last 2 years of arbitration and signed him to a reasonable deal like 5 years and 40 million. However, with only one year of arbitration left he’s going to have to get something near market value to consider. Not extending him is going to cost them and it don’t make sense. Signing players to good deals only increases there value.

    Murphy would probably have to get a 5 year deal to consider. They can buy out his last year of arbitration and give him a 5 year 50 million dollar contract. After that he’d probably want at least 5 years 60 million and if he hits the open market he will get more money and years. While I’ve never been the biggest Murphy fan there is no doubt we in New York under value him. He is a top 10 offensive 2b and his defense has come a long way. He’s a model of consistency and has moved away from being so streaky. The faster they resign the better off they will be. He may be getting closer to top 5 offensive.

  • Frank Francisco

    Keep in mind the Mets are currently operating as a small market team. That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Murphy traded at the trade deadline next season for parts and then handing the 2B job to Flores.

    Wouldn’t be my course of action, but it wouldn’t surprise me either.

  • Mike

    He was caught and called out bottom line and u should get used to it because only getting CS 2 times in 25 attempts for an average at best runner last yr is a fluke and is not sustainable

  • How is it splitting hairs when you keep bringing it up as some sort of fact to justify your argument. That somehow last nights put out at 2b justifies your opinion that teams are starting to key on him and throw him out.

    You have a fallacy trying to support your fallacy.

    I am not a huge Murphy guy but at least when trying to prove your point against him, use facts instead.

  • ray sadecki

    When considering Murphy’s power numbers, the ballpark he plays in need to be considered. Look at Cano. He has one Home run. Look at Granderson. If you put Daniel Murphy in Yankee stadium, he would easily hit 20-25 homers.

  • Mike

    The point is that before last yr he wasn’t a very successful base stealer and even he admitted the first base coach is a big reason why he was so successful last yr. He caught teams off guard because he’s not a fast guy. Now teams will keep a better eye on him and I’m pretty sure his success rate will plummet this yr as a result

  • mets4lyfe

    I’m not sure where the notion that Murphy’s some type tier offensive 2B is coming from:

    2013 (minimum 400 PAs):

    1. Matt Carpenter 147 wRC+
    .
    ..

    ….
    12. Daniel Murphy 106 wRC+

    Moreover, his wRC+ was helped significant by his SB efficiency last year, which I don’t think is going to be the norm for him going forward given his age and speed. Moreover, the people that ranked below Murphy offensively are mostly much superior defenders like Philips, Kinsler, Barney, Sogard, etc.

    Murphy’s not a problem. but he’s not someone the Mets should look to extend unless it’s a very friendly deal.

  • Out of place Mets fan

    I would wait until after the deadline, if he stll here a 4/32-35 deal seems appropriate.

  • Djmurphy

    Last years sb numbers were a fluke?

    Are you serious? Try tuning into a game he’s going to blast that total this year. Provided he stays healthy he will steal at least 30 bags this year. He’s added stealing 3rd to his game and totals will only increase this year. He’s very smart on the bases and gets sneaky leads off second base that make third money. Mark my words he will stealing 3rd way more frequently. Not only is he stealing lots of bases he never gets caught.

  • mets4lyfe

    do you know how difficult it is to steal 30 bases especially when you have the type of speed Murphy has?

    Murphy’s SB numbers last year were an outlier for him. Don’t expect it to be the norm going forward.

  • Mike

    Flores dominated the last two yrs as one of the youngest players each yr in both levels. He projects to hit more than murph and is under control for 6 yrs three at league minimum. His hands are much more soft and graceful than Murphy who is 6 yrs older and already making 6 mm, all of this is why I’m sorry to inform u, Murphy’s days in flushing are most likely numbered.

  • dan

    He’s also been playing excellent defense this year

  • $14435385

    Whether or not his percentage of successful steals is sustainable is irrelevant. The point is the play wasn’t a caught stealing – period.

    And for what it’s worth, some of the highest success rates for stolen bases in a season since the mid-1950s have come from guys not considered “fast” runners – including Kevin McReynolds, Paul Molitor, Jason Bay, Jason Bartlett, Stan Javier…even Davey Lopes, who was one of the highest-percentage stolen base players of all time, was said to have only slightly above-average speed.

    You don’t need to be a burner to steal 20 – you need a good read, a good lead, and good speed. Lots of fast guys never learn to get a good read or lead – look at Reyes early in his career: he was the fastest guy in baseball, but got caught one out of four attempts every year.

  • Djmurphy

    He steals bases with smarts not speed. His totals will not dip unless he gets stupid overnight.

  • Mike

    I like murph too I just don’t think he’s worth a contract extension esp when we have cheaper in house options that project to be equally if not better than him going forward and if u want to dilude urself into thinking Murphy is going to steal 25 bags and only get caught twice every yr because he did it once, that’s your problem

  • mad met

    Keep murphy is correct..and all we needis a real cleanup hitter to make this a contending club.

  • Mike

    He did it once can we stop pretending like he has this long track record of steal 23 bags a yr please. U are simply assuming he will continue to just like I assume he won’t.

  • $14435385

    Again, you’re not listening. I never said or implied that he was going to steal 23 bases a year. I never said or implied that he had a long track record of doing this. I simply said your statement – that he was caught stealing last night – is false. Because it is.

  • mad met

    They will trade john n they know his arm will fall off this year

  • WillisReid

    This depends entirely on Wlimer Flores does this year with the bat AND glove.

    Defense aside, they almost need to play Flores at SS this year at some point to get a good idea of what they have going forward.

  • mets2014

    I think if they are unable to acquire a SS by the trade deadline, I believe they will give flores a shot

  • 39/44.

  • Metropolitan

    I claim neutrality on the Murphy front ..

  • We shall see.
    As for the extension, if it’s reasonable you can still trade him.

  • CJM

    I think any extension to Murphy would almost certainly end up being an overpay, and he’s probably more valuable in a trade.

  • mad met

    Now batting for the new york yankees (daniel murphy) is NOT something i want to hear… 300 20 90 with 25 stolen bags. I think i would be very very unhappy seeing that. Sign this guy he is a team guy and a clutch hitter ..we need a cleanup hitter and we are a real contender next year

  • DrDooby

    If the Mets believe in Wilmer Flores and / or Dilson Herrera as their future 2bman, it probably doesn´t make a lot of sense keeping Murphy beyond 2015. He´s a solid average major league 2bman overall. A tad above average on offense, a tad below average on defense.

    Considering that 2bmen in generally tend to age poorly and Murphy would probably be better off at 3b anyway, it´s probably best letting him go once he becomes a free agent.

  • Mike

    Sorry I heard it on the radio in my car coming home from work from two guys who are usual reliable in terms of scoreboard I don’t know what else u want me to say? Either way he was tagged out so it’s just semantics

  • ray sadecki

    I remember when he used to get slammed for making bonehead plays on the bases. Murph is also very clutch. He is a keeper I say. This team is starting to gel and Daniel is a leader.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Of course you extend Murphy.

    -He is versatile defensively, plays 1B,2B,3B and strike>LF(Just kidding about LF lol).
    -He can hit RHP & LHP(fairly well). Will give you .290+ Avg.
    -He has added Stolen bases to his repertoire(20SB ability). And rarely gets CS
    -From all accounts he is a great clubhouse guy and leader.
    -He doesnt loaf he is a Charlie Huslter.

    So yes I would extend Murphy but ONLY at the right price. I wouldnt overspend

  • Mike

    10 sb cs 2 in 12′ 5 sb CS 5 in 11′ calm down

  • WillisReid

    I don’t think they do anything at SS or 2B until they know what they have in Flores.

  • amazins8669

    yeah, no….someone needs to review what wRC+ is again

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I agree they need to find out what Flores is….but regardless of what Wilmer is or isnt you have to resign Murph.

  • Mike

    I like the guy a lot I just don’t think he’s worth extending. Guys like him u want to capitalize when they not making a lot of money and let someone else overpay for his post prime yrs. According to insiders Sandy has been trying to deal him for like three yrs just no takers, that tells me two things 1: we value murph more than other teams and 2: Sandy doesn’t see him as part of the long term future in flushing

  • Tommy Med

    What makes you think Murphy is gonna hit 20 hrs? Those numbers are all-star type #s..even better than Dustin Pedroia …Murphy is an average 2b let’s relax here

  • Ed Charles

    Murphy will be on the team next season in the event the team wants him. If not, he’ll be traded at the deadline or in the off season. You can decide during next year’s arbitration whether or not to extend him. You certainly don’t extend him with another year remaining, and the high point of an early season. I agree though, Murph has established himself as a legit 2b — but didn’t we hear the same thing about him that we hear about Flores? “He has no position?” This regime is among the worst talent evaluators we’ve ever had — they’re currently peddling Nimmo over Fernandez. Nimmo could be a solid MLB player. Fernandez is an All Star. The point is though, let’s see how the roster shapes up when EY and Young and Tejada and Duda all need to be upgraded.

  • mets2014

    he inflated the numbers because it is yankee stadium

  • reality check

    Yes, we should sign him to a extension.I have no problem with 3 years, no more than 10 mil a year.Can’t say Flores will ever be good at either 2nd or SS yet,We know what we have in Murphy, and its pretty good

  • TPT

    trust me if he winds up on the Yankees with some real hitters around him and that short porch?? those totals are exactly what you could expect from him

  • mets4lyfe

    The wRC+ from fangraphs includes SB totals from what I know. Maybe it’s not included anymore seeing as BS is a stat itself now. Either way, Murphy’s not a top tier offensive 2B.

    RC: Runs created” (RC) attempts to more accurately isolate the contribution of every player to a run being scored. Bill James created the statistic RC as a way to quantify how many runs resulted from what a player did with the bat and on the base path, including advancing runners. RC factors in positives like hits, walks, successful stolen bases, getting hit by pitches, sacrifice flies, sacrifice bunts, as well as negatives like grounding into double plays and being caught stealing.”

    wRC+ is park and league adjusted.

  • mad met

    Read the comment again tommy I was saying if Murphy played in a stadium like Yankee band box he could hit for more power

  • B-Met Fan

    Daniel Murphy is old school. No matter what the situation, no matter what the circumstance, Daniel Murphy plays the game with passion and energy. Murphy does the little things you need for a team to succeed. He maximizes what the ability he has to make thinks happen on the field. The Mets almost never keep a player over the long haul. That includes guys like Tom Seaver. My gut tells me Daniel Murphy would sacrifice some bucks to remain a Met. I’d love to see him wearing orange and blue into the future.

  • WillisReid

    Assuming Flores bat is legit and dependent on his performance at SS, it almost comes down to paying Murphy or paying a guy like Lowrie. I think in that sense Murphy would be less of an overpay.

  • Shea2citi

    I couldn’t agree more. This is my sentiment exactly.

  • CJM

    How far away are some of the middle infield prospects? Remember, Murph doesn’t hit free agency until after the 2015 season, so that’s another year and a half of development for any middle infield prospect.

  • Shea2citi

    The only reason he was thrown out was because the ball didn’t go that far from the catcher. It’s still not considered a caught stealing and he’s still stealing bases at an excellent pace. The league still can’t figure him out.

  • $14435385

    So if a guy hits a triple and takes home on a throwing error, it’s a home run, right? Or is that semantics, too?

  • Mike

    “They can’t figure him out” CS 7 times in two yrs before 13

  • 39/44. Seems like he learned to pick his spots very well.

  • metsman

    I love Murphy but mark my words, Dilson Herrera will be knocking on the door by September of next season. They should let this play out naturally.

  • Shea2citi

    It’s something that he added to his game, that he developed and he’s good at it. You’re just not comprehending what everyone else is saying. You act like he’s been plagued with leg injuries his whole career. Murph has been healthy for a while now. Many players develop different skills during their career. Murph is one of them. He’s a smart base stealer, just like Wright. Let it go dude.

  • Also I expect something like 20/27 this year at worst.

  • They could be but he already has 6 this year.

  • metsman

    It’s funny there was a time there where we weren’t sure he was even going to be major league material; couldn’t play left, not enough power for first and blocked at third….not to mention hurt all the time…now he’s a better than average all around second baseman and we act like he is a superstar. It won’t be long before someone better comes along; my money is on Herrera.

  • Shea2citi

    Those options are all terrible. You don’t trade or let go of a position of strength. You act like being 31 automatically ends your career. Guys like Wright and Murphy are the ones you have to hold on to, especially if the team is contending. Even now they are the only sure things in our lineup.

  • CJM

    The problem is it would be nearly impossible not to overspend when extending a guy like Murphy. He will be overpaid when he reaches free agency.

  • WillisReid

    True. But the Mets still need to add to the MI wether it be at SS or 2B. Moving Murphy creates another hole for a cash strapped team that is supposed to be changing the conversation. Maybe Herrera is ready by then, but this team still needs an upgrade at SS.

  • Dave Rosenbluth

    Herrera will never be ready by then. He is in A-ball. Keeping Murph depends on a couple of things: do we ever get a real guy at 1B, if not does Murph move there? 25-30 mil is a number i can live with for his level of production and ability.

  • Tommy Med

    It’s not like Murphy hits shots to the warning track at Citi. His swing doesn’t translate to long fly balls he is a LINE DRIVe slap hitter. Doesn’t matter what stadium he hits at. And he doesn’t hit lefties well enough to bat 300.

  • WillisReid

    Ideally Murphy stays and Flores can play Lowrie-like defense with a plus bat at SS and the Mets hang onto their pitching.

    Although I would still be in favor of adding a guy like Gregarious. I like defense at SS, but if this team is gonna hit like this then you really need to squeeze offense out of all 8 positions.

  • CJM

    FWIW, Matt Reynolds is hitting well in AA this year and is ~1.6 years young for the league. He’s a shortstop. Obviously, there is a lot of development left for both Reynolds and Herrera, but in a best case scenario, they’d both be ready for MLB in 2016. Even if they don’t intend to trade Murph, I think it’s best to let his arbitration years simply play out, and see what they’re working with in terms of prospects at the end of next season.

    I think they should offer Drew 2 years after the draft and platoon him with Tejada in ’14 and ’15. Trade Murphy if Flores can handle second base, and if he can’t, keep Murphy in ’15 and then hopefully replace him with a prospect in ’16.

  • metsman

    It’s that double play ball that hurts Murph…without those he would be top five probably!

  • john q

    As per Joe D.: “What is most surprising about Murphy is the job he’s done at second base. While he’ll never win a gold glove at the position, his range, glove work and instincts at second base have improved so much, it’s no longer the concern it used to be and I’d go as far as saying he’s transformed himself into an average defender.”

    Based on what exactly?? Murphy is not a good fielding second basemen or even average. At best he’s progressed to the point where he’s below average. He’s a corner infielder masquerading as a middle infielder.

    They can play him at 2b because he had a batting average of .286 and had a .415 slugging percentage in 2013. His .319 on base percentage was below the median for a 2b.

    Here’s how Daniel Murphy ranked among 2b in 2013 based on 400 plate appearances:

    BA: .286 (.7th/26)
    OBP: .319 (15th/26)
    SLG: .419 (9th/26)

    So you have a player at 29 years old who’s a slightly above average offensive 2b and a below average fielding 2b.

    Why would you offer him a 3 year $25-30 million contract when he’s still under arbitration for 2015 and a year away from free agency? Makes no sense.

    The Mets will probably offer him arbitration for next season and look for someone who can actually field the position.

  • Mike

    Yeah cause caught stealing and hr are so similar everyone is looking at CS! Get over it

  • mad met

    They are all over paid as free agents … I would much rather have Murphy at 10 mill a year then cy for 7.5 or the wind mill granderson for 15

  • Mike

    Well I guess u’ll be rooting for his base stealing prowess on another team soon because sandy tried to trade him in 11′ 12′ and this past offseason except nobody would give him anything other than a relief pitcher? That’s weird? Could it be that u think he’s more valuable than the rest of mlb? Look like it. He’s gonna be 31 and a FA after nxt yr and Sandy has cheaper options enjoy him this yr cause it’s bye bye Danny boy soon ;..(

  • CJM

    CY and Grandy have nothing to do with the Murphy situation, however. The question is, can you get equal or better production at 2b by going with a prospect than going with Murphy? If the answer is yes, then they let Murph go. Regardless, being that there are some prospects who might be MLB ready by 2016, tying their hands by extending Murph is not ideal.

  • mad met

    He just does not get it ..and goes to show how underrated Murphy is. This guy will make some major buck as a free agent because other teams will value him higher than our fans because he plays on an infierior offense. Better extend him early cause we won’t win a bidding war

  • amazins8669

    wRC+ scales wOBA, runs created is a different stat entirely

  • $14435385

    I’m over it – you’re the one who’s insisting that rules are “semantic.”

  • mad met

    That is exactly why we need a real cleanup hitter . I don’t care if tovar plays ss .get us a real dam cleanup hitter
    Juan
    Murphy
    Wright
    Stanton
    Duda
    Tda
    Grandy
    Tovar
    Looks a hell of a lot better when u can stretch out the lineup

  • mad met

    U can’t have it both ways . Cy won’t be here next year puello is rookie so money can go to Murphy .. Grandy was an example of overpaying not get near the value…. And if dillson or Florez are ready but won’t be u can still play Murphy at first until smith is ready .point is Murphy is a real player he is a guy u sign

  • MattSzat

    I was going to comment until I saw this. You summed it up perfectly for me. That fire is crucial

  • mets4lyfe

    wRC+ used to include stolen bases. Not anymore apparently.

    “wOBA, wRAA, wRC, wRC+ – These all no longer include SB and CS. SB and CS have been removed entirely from the wOBA calculation include the weights calculation.”

  • WillisReid

    I like Stanton obviously, but I think the Mets have ZERO chance to get him. Aside from being division rivals, Miami doesn’t really need young quality pitchers, which is all we really have to offer.

  • CJM

    What do you mean you can’t have it both ways? My analysis of what they should do with Murphy is independent of anything else they’ve done. From a baseball perspective, it makes the most sense to wait and see with Murphy.

  • Matlack

    Hi Tommy,
    While I’m of the opinion that eventually moving Murph may be the smart move for the club(though I really like the guy), we’ve seen enough examples of him driving the ball with power to right when he looks inner half. He’s probably currently trying to be a gap to gap guy in our big park. He’s a tinkerer, so I think he could put 20 out at that whiffleball park in the Bronx, though it would cost him about 20 points off his BA.

  • Matlack

    Crucial point! I get the feeling they absolutely love Herrera.

  • Matlack

    Drew at the right price is a really good fit here. His weakness(LHP) can be addressed cheaply internally(Ruben), and his defense allows you to play an average glove at 2B. He also would make the roster better by relegating Ruben to backup MI(where he’d be better than average) and bumping a guy like Q off the 25.

    The only way Drew doesn’t make sense is if Sandy has a trade percolating for a stud of a SS.

  • I still believe that Murphy is part of the sell high crew the Mets will be trading to improve at other areas in the next year or two. Gee or Niese as well. Heck maybe we can even talk some sucker into EYJ. I like Murphy, and he’s a good player. However, I will be shocked if he’s here on our next playoff team…unless it’s 2014 of course.

  • Hotstreak

    I love them both.

  • Hotstreak

    A lot of Wally in him but Daniel is a better player.

  • CJM

    Drew makes tons of sense. And a platoon of Tejada and Drew makes the most sense. Fans are against the idea of a platoon because “they shouldn’t pay a guy X dollars to only play against righties.” But if you consider the position alone, it makes sense to pay Drew+Tejada and platoon them to yield an OPS in the .750-.800 range.

  • Krayzie

    Murphy’s been a great, loyal Met but unfortunately I think this is an area where the cheap Mets could save some money without much loss of production. B/w Dilson Herrera and Wilmer Flores, Mets have strong 2nd base prospects. Murphy has been very good but I think he’s peaked offensively, plus he will never be a great defender

  • metsman

    I love Herrera’s natural athleticism and I love that Murph doesn’t have much at all and makes up for it with pure will and determination; it’s an interesting juxtaposition.

  • sarge69

    Early in April Daniel had. a week,10 days where his defense was really looking bad but he has played well in the field, turned DP better, using the bag more for protection to avoid his past knee injuries

    He is a perfect number 2 hitter for this team, in spite of the confusion caused by Granderson not hitting, Lagares getting hurt, the initial 1B dilema yet he continues to be consistent at the plate.

    He is no Phillips at 2B but he is no either, he is consistent and a know quantity for Mets.
    Unless Flores is the future at 2B, he is playing SS in AAA, then until a bonafide replacement, maybe Herrera or whomever, then Murphy should be retained, given an extension for 5 years, maybe a partial no trade ( just talking out loud here), for say $50-$60 million?

    He can be and should be a piece going forward especially since this team, for now anyway and going into 2015 has no established, consistent hitters.

    He is tough, sometimes does crazy things on field but I have no problem with Murphy being part of the future, next few years, of Mets.

    When a real, not just fielding, player can take over then Mets can figure out Murphy’s role on team.
    I say pay him, extend him, we need his play and fire on this team.

  • Waz0787

    Trade him

  • Waz0787

    A+

  • Hotstreak

    True: LGM

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    “Not too mention we have plenty of in-house option going forward, Eric young”

    Annnnd this is the part where I stop reading.

    EY Jr an option over Murphy? LMAO!

  • Destry

    Sign him. He’s the only hitter on the team.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    You know, I was JUST thinking about this last night.

    Might be wise to keep him around until the end of his prime. Give him a 3 year extension somewhere in the neighborhood of $30-$36 million. Hold him over until Herrera is ML ready. Simple as that.

  • Destry

    At some point its not selling high. Its who he is. He always puts up these numbers.

  • Destry

    If you have watched the games, then you would know that Murphy is at least average, and his defensive metrics by the end of the year will prove that.

  • Destry

    There is also a good chance he never sees a major league pitch. There is a really good chance he isn’t even a major league caliber ball player.

  • Destry

    Its so funny how every minor leaguer is so much better than the guys already in the bigs. Dilson is a project. He may or may not be a major league ball player. Look at Murphy’s minor league numbers. He skipped over AAA to go straight to the bigs. Do you think Dilson has that talent?

  • Mike

    Eric young is a top the leader board in sb and runs and he currently has the highest WAR on the mets roster….what’s daniel Murphy leading in…..botched up double plays?

  • CJM

    “He’s the only hitter on the team.”

    What does that mean? I mean, it’s completely false, obviously.

  • Destry

    You could not ask for a better role model than Daniel Murphy. He plays hard everyday. He switches positions if it makes the team better, he works at getting better everyday, and he has never had an off the field incident , or really anything but positive for this org. They should sign him for as long as he wants to remain with this organization, as he is what you want in an employee. Not to mention. He is a .300 hitter with 20-25 SBs with average D at 2B, 3B & 1B in necessary.

  • Destry

    He’s one of very few hitters on the team……..better?

  • Mike

    36 mm for a 39?yr old streaky singles and doubles hitter who doesnt walk and plays the worst second base in MLB….is this Omar???

  • Mike

    30 yr old (typo)

  • Destry

    I would say he is THE leader

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Says the guy who wants him replaced with EY Jr.

  • CJM

    Now, why does that justify signing him to an extension?

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Murph is 29, not 30.

  • Destry

    I don’t know brother. Its not just about speed. He’s stolen 28 in a row. He is smart on the basepaths, never gets caught, and already has 6 in April. He’s on pace for 30, and he usually hits his hot streak in July. He will hit .350 5 HRs 10 SBs in July alone. For some reason its his month. Starts out pretty good in April, cools off in May, warms up a little in June, and tears it up in July. We’re creatures of habit

  • Mike

    Waste of funds that would be I’d rather trade him and let some other team overpay him

  • Mike

    Ey jr is worth more than Murphy this yr by alot

  • Destry

    Yes, and Carpenter has been moved to 3B. So that isn’t a good comp anymore especially considering that Murphy is a better defender than Carp, and their numbers are much closer this season, if Im not mistaken, Murphy might be better right now. 106 +wRC is really good for a 2B by the way. I hope you realize that.

  • Mike

    He’ll be 31 as a FA I was splitting the difference

  • Destry

    Murphy would have 20 HRs per season in several parks. Yankee Stadium easily. Prob Cincinnati, Philly, Tex, prob Balitmore, def Tor

  • Mike

    He had 6 hrs in 12 and 13?

  • mad met

    Mike are u really scott boras just petending to be mike.. we dont want dew stop calling

  • oleosmirf

    Just like with Gee, an extension right now makes no sense at all.

  • mad met

    Im a big ey fan and even i now know your clueless

  • Destry

    A small market teams maximize value. I think Murphy said he was willing to sign below market to stay with the Mets longterm. To me, that the ultimate value. Signing players under market value allows you to maximize production/$$spent. Sign him, trade Wilmer Flores for real SS, or sign Drew, and you have good infield for several years. I think Flores is losing value by the day.

  • Matlack

    Absolutely agree. The thing I can’t get my hands around is the correct tactical approach for the Mets, vis a vis the June 7th date where it won’t cost a 3rd round pick. Does Drew’s market suddenly blow up after the draft, pricing him out of the Mets range? Or have other potential suitors met their budgets for the season, leaving the Mets in an advantageous situation? I just can’t tell, and it’s a very tough call.

  • BCleveland3381

    Mike, why do you keep making a terrible point like that with nothing to back it up?

  • Destry

    Anyone you sign off the free agent market or bring via trade isn’t going to have the same numbers they do playing in their tiny little home stadiums, just remember that. Watch our batting numbers go up as we go on the road for 9 games.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    LMFAO! Just stop talking dude.

  • Destry

    No doubt. He doesn’t have the natural ability of Wright, but he has him in about every intangible. Heart, toughness, leadership ability

  • Destry

    DW is the talent Murph is the heart and soul. Although the two are as far apart in talent as they used to be.

  • Destry

    SO you want to trade him this season?

  • Destry

    And Nolasco is getting 4 years and 50 mil from the Twins. Gee is easily comparable to Nolasco, and I think he hands down way better

  • CJM

    I think it could go either way. But if the Mets have the money, I think they should do their best to win whatever bid for Drew, especially if they are anywhere near contention, which I expect them to be.

  • Mike

    Facts are facts he has the highest WAR on the team he’s leading mlb in sb and runs he’s simply outplaying Murphy

  • mad met

    There is no way for us to win a bidding war with another team murphy loves it here sign him to an extention and a good chanceche signs a fair team friendly contract .if it get to free agency u will see this dude get paid big time

  • Biggle Boy

    I would simply say that when a runner is on base, and Daniel Murphy comes to the plate, I have more confidence he will get a hit than any other Met batter. So, yes.

  • Matlack

    Within reason, I agree. Terms I envision making sense: 2 years, 24mm(prorated for this year) with a club option in year 3 for 13mm and a 2mm buyout. By the end of 2015, we’ll have a much clearer idea of where Cecchini and Rosario stand on the development curve.

  • CJM

    My point is there is a very good chance that Murphy will not provide them long term value. I don’t foresee him being a good extension candidate regardless of anything.

  • mad met

    Hey bud my point was not just stanton .the point was our lineup would look like a major league line up with a proper cleanup hitter

  • mets2014

    They could wait until the offseason especially if they are playing meaningful games…however if the right deal is offered and the rest of the staff is healthy, they should consider moving him during the season since they probably would get more for him at that time

  • mad met

    Could not agree more

  • CJM

    And he will regress tremendously. Regardless of your feelings for Murphy, EYJ is far from the answer at second base.

  • Mike

    I’m sorry isn’t .9 WAR (ey2) worth more than .1 WAR (murphy)?

  • Mike

    Eric young 1st or second in mlb in sb and runs leading nym with .9 WAR, Murphy .1 WAR “LMAO”

  • WillisReid

    Agreed. I’d like to see them give Wright a shot there this year.

  • CJM

    Yes that seems reasonable. Then platoon him with Tejada and you are paying $13-$14 million for shortstop production that could potentially be worth $16-$18 million. And the greatest black hole on the team becomes one of their greatest strengths.

  • john q

    Pitchers because the scarcity of pithing are in a much different situation when it comes to contract extensions during the arbitration process. Gee is also a year younger than Murphy.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they included Gee in a trade because he’s a rather valuable (cheap starting pitcher) commodity.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    You really are an imbecile, aren’t you?

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Well, since he’s going to want actual money, I assume he’s a goner. So is the state of our dreadful ownership.

  • Mike

    I’m using sabermetric facts and you’ve responded with 4 straight moronic, vacuous comments but yeah…..I’m the imbecile

  • BCleveland3381

    Or, you can look on fangraphs where Murphy has a .5 WAR and EY has a .4

  • CJM

    If you were truly using sabermetrics you’d take regression into account, which you haven’t. By season’s end, EYJ will not have been more valuable than Murphy. I’m not a Murphy fan, but I can say that with certainty.

  • john q

    I’ve watched every game and I don’t see any difference in Murphy from last year. He has to play in short right field because his range is so terrible. He’s clunky and he’s awkward and lacks fluidity of movement. It’s also far to early to make any definitive assessments about his fielding in 2014.

    As per Fangraphs:

    Murphy was terrible in 2012 with a (-9.5 Defense) which ranked 26th/28 second basemen with at least 400 plate appearances. The median 2b with 400 PA had (+6) in 2012.

    In 2013 he improved somewhat with a (-4.4) but was still 24/28 among 2b with 400 plate appearances. The median in 2013 was +1.3

  • Matlack

    Yep. And you don’t even need to call it a platoon, which allows Drew and Boras to save face. We face what, 35 LH starters in a year? Let Drew start vs. the 10 weakest of those, in addition to 125 starts vs. RH starters, with Tejada playing 2B in those 10 starts to give murph a blow. We optimize production, make everybody happy, and carry at least league average production at a former position of weakness until the young cavalry arrive.

  • Guest

    Philip Evans and Matt Reynolds have both been hitting, which is a big change from last year. Any thoughts on what has cause such an improvement? Also, do either of them have the ability to be a 2B/SS at the MLB level next year?

  • CJM

    I’m thinking about researching Sandy Alderson’s personal email so I can send him these thoughts! Maybe he’ll offer me a job because he sees value in an unexpected place.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    The fact that you actually believe EY Jr will continue to have a higher WAR than Murph is laughable, but you wanna throw saber facts? Lets play.

    Murph consistently has a WAR of 1.5 & above every season outside his brief stint in ’08.

    EY Jr has had a WAR above 1.5 ONCE.

    But please, continue with your atrocious arguments. I didn’t think it was possible, but you managed to top Alex.

  • Matlack

    Love it. If you get the gig, see if you can get me in the door.

  • mets4lyfe

    Carpenter was a positive defender at 2B. Just because he was moved doesn’t mean he couldn’t stick there. Moving Freese allowed Wong to move into the starting line-up so moving Carpenter to 3rd was the most logical choice.

    Murphy is not a better defender whether you look at the metrics or go by the eye test. Not sure why you believe that Murph is a better defender.

    106 wRC+ is solid but it doesn’t help Murphy’s case too much given that he’s a below average defender at 2B.

  • CJM

    I’m currently texting my friend who is a low-level scout with the Dodgers. He says the best way to get a job in baseball as an outsider is to go to winter meetings and pimp yourself. That’s a long way off though.

  • Mike

    Hey the guy is getting on base stealing bases scoring runs playing good d. He never played full time before. If he could just hit 250 at the clip he’s at now he can have a 370 Obp. No one thought Byrd’s numbers would last but they did.

  • Matlack

    Yeah, there was an article around the Winter meetings about that….maybe it was here on MMO….it sounded kind of soul-crushing.

    How great would it be, though? Analyze baseball, go to games for a living? Skol.

  • CJM

    If I could go back to college I would’ve definitely set my sights on ending up working in MLB. Not too late though. Just a ton of hard work.

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    Because good hitting second basemen don’t grow on trees.
    And we know that he can handle new york

  • Mike

    That’s because eric young never had a full season’s worth of opportunities. If he continues to have an Obp 120 pts higher than his batting average all he has to do is raise it to 250, which he did last yr and he could have a 370 Obp… aside from Murphy’s crazy injury shortened babib yr he’s like a 310 Obp guy. Ike Davis had a higher Obp than Murphy last yr and he hit 200!

  • CJM

    He will never have a .370 OBP. His OBP right now is .315. That means the team is converting at an incredible rate when he reaches, for him to score all those runs. That won’t continue.

  • CJM

    Handling NY is a ridiculous reason. He is a decent hitting second baseman by true measures. He is an adequate piece but is ideally a 6/7 hitter. He will be overpaid. His production is likely replaceable at a much lower cost, and potentially replaceable from internal options.

  • Mike

    Oh ok where they say Murphy is a bad defender as opposed to a really really bad defender

  • CJM

    What has caused such an improvement? Could it possibly be the incentive based hitting approach Alderson and co want the organization to take on?

  • jason bay

    Herrera’s likely ETA is July 2016.

  • jason bay

    That was because of need (Alou going down) Same reason Evans, Cancel and Casanova came up.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Oh brother. If, if, IF…..

    Since Ike had such a higher OBP than Murph last season, what does that say about EY Jr, who couldn’t top Murph in that category either in practically a “full season” last year?

    FYI….

    Last season:

    Murph’s oWAR: 3.3
    Davis’s oWAR: 0.2

    Try again.

  • Mike

    Eric young had the same Obp as Murphy last yr and I like how u use Murphy’s offensive war like it means anything, Murphy will never have more than a 1.5 WAR because of his perennially egregious defense

  • It all depends on what he wants and what the Mets FO feel he is worth. Also depends on what they’re planning on doing with SS. We have some solid prospects coming up. Now the main word there is prospects so we don’t know how they will turn out. FLores can play both SS & 2B but, it depends on what the FO is planning. They may get someone to play short and move Flores to 2B or keep him at short since his range has improved and once he gets over the yips they may leave him there. Who knows, Sandy keeps his card close to the vest.

  • That all said, he could be used in a trade at the deadline for either another pitching prospect or a SS.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    I like how you tried to use every single stat you can, but it gets blown away.

    Last season’s OBP:

    Murph: .319
    EY Jr: .310 (.318 as a Met)

    Yeah, they’re just the same….NOT.

  • BCleveland3381

    Mike, you’re either just trolling everyone or completely clueless about the game of baseball. How good of a defender do you think EY is? EY is supporting his WAR by stealing bases and scoring runs when he gets on base. The amount of time he’s getting on base is declining and his K rate is increasing. His WAR has already dropped considering he was over 1 earlier this season on BR(where I know you are getting your WAR info from).

    EY had a great start to the year, but is regressing to his career norms, which was both expected and understood by any fan. Murphy has years of consistency, all of which is significantly better than what Eric Young has put out. And I wouldn’t be ripping Murphy’s defense at 2B, EY’s is almost as bad.

    I can’t believe there is any Met fan that would actually think EY is a better baseball player than Daniel Murphy. It’s a ridiculous argument.

  • metsman

    Dilson has skills off the charts. I never said that he was better than Murphy but there is a good chance he could be. Dilson is 20 and 2.7 years younger than the average age in his league. In 262 professional games he’s hit 22 home runs, 14 triples, 62 doubles, and 45 stolen bases He has the skills to play short but is an elite second baseman. Behined Nimmo, I think he is the second best position prospect we have and I believe they both will be ready for a call up in September next year with their precocious play.

  • Out of place Mets fan

    Yes but “free swinging” Murphy doesnt k half as much as EY

  • Matlack

    Good thinking. I believe Boston U. was offering a free SABR course recently online(memory is foggy on details), but that might be a decent intro to people with similar goals and may even fulfill some prerequisite.

    I have a professional background in portfolio management, which I was thinking might give me an angle if I ever got serious about it. People like Friedman started that way and the management of the game has shifted toward that type of thinking.

  • LastSaneMetsFan

    Really genius who are you replacing him with? Last year Murphy was top five contributer in almost every offensive category among 2B except for walks. Where are you going to get more production for less? What stud prospect do we have that’s ready to be a top 5 second basemen?

  • mad met

    I like david alot i like murphy alot but neither is a cleanup hitter david maybe few years ago . We need one big bat to stretch this lineup

  • CJM

    You wait until the end of 2015 to see where the middle infield prospects within the organization are.

  • mad met

    Guys like stanton cargo trout encarcion even beltran numbers woulf be fine here we keep going after the second teir guys we need one more 280+ 35 hr monster to stretch this lineup

  • You use both AL & NL. In N/L he is much higher.

  • He never had surgery. The knee healed it self. Murphy haters are all around and never see him as anything. Where would the Mets be without him.

  • metsman

    Why is Tovar playing for the Bingos? He must be blocked by all our great SS in Vegas…He is hitting quite well anyway

  • donobrien

    Joe D., I’ve been saying exactly what you wrote for the past year. I’ll admit to being a big Daniel Murphy supporter, and miffed when I see the “let’s trade Murphy comments”. I’ve read that FanGraphs valued Murphy’s 2011 worth at $11.5 mil and 2013 at $14.5 mil. I know he would sign a club friendly extension for 10-12 for 3 or 4 years. Three years for 30 mil might be likely. He said he’s already made enough money to last a lifetime, so he isn’t money hungry. A smart move to extend him now, and he’s only 29 years old with several prime years ahead. He and Wright are our solid pillars.

  • donobrien

    Mike, with all due respect, you know very little about this player. For instance, he is 29 and not 39 years old. He led in 4 batting categories last season, and is probably the best clutch hitter on the team.

  • NEXT GM

    I thought they were alternating at 2B and SS.

  • mad met

    If we had a proper cleanup hitter tovar could play ss for the mets nowand we might have the best defense all around in the game

  • donobrien

    Herrera is years away and Flores bat is unproven at the ML level. His range is poor and is a very slow runner. Murphy is in his prime; he is a 3rd baseman, who played very good 1b for a year, and has improved at the new position of 2b dramatically. Read the other comments and Joe D’s article for more reasons.

  • donobrien

    O Ye of little faith!

  • donobrien

    Wrong!!! He had 13 HRs in 2013 alone. Where are you getting your stats????

  • donobrien

    I’m curious if, in hindsight, you think David Wright should have gotten his long extension?

  • mets4lyfe

    Reynolds profiles as above-average defensive SS. The biggest question about him has been his ability to hit. So far he’s been good this year.

    Most recent scouting reports that I’ve read about Evans suggests that he’s not a very good SS – he has trouble making the routine plays.

  • mets4lyfe

    Hmm, Duda, Wright, and Granderson must’ve been transported to another realm.

  • CJM

    I didn’t think Wright should’ve gotten that extension at the time, and I still don’t think it was a good idea to sign Wright long term.

  • donobrien

    Murphy is smart. He hits line drives, like Hernandez did, because he hits the ball square with a level swing. It’s intentional and he does not try to pull the ball but goes with the pitch. In other words he doesn’t think home run. He has the power, and could hit many more home runs, but as you say, his average would drop 20 points.

    And he has improved his defense by thinking every batter and every pitch to better position himself. And his 23 of 26 stolen bases last year in due to his baseball smarts.

  • Matlack

    Hi Don,

    I pretty much agree with you, although I think sometimes Murphy gets a little too clever as a hitter, you know? I’ve been in the trade Murph camp, but I admit I like the guy, and he’s shown me a couple of things this year which make me more comfortable with him going forward; namely, he seems to still be improving his footwork defensively, and actually looks kind of nimble lately. Second, he has had less brain cramps this season; I don’t know what it is, but he would exasperate me with his mental mistakes last year. He seems to have cut them down. Third, we seem to be entering a secular period of reduced offense in MLB, and it may be in the club’s interest to have a regular in the lineup with very good bat control. Though we Mets fans lament the strikeouts we see every night, it’s systemic. did you realize that the K/9 ratio in MLB is over 8 this year so far? Makes it very difficult to hit and run, a staple of small ball.

    My brain still leans toward a trade if he brings a king’s ransom, but my heart says he is a classic Mets player who has nice shiny moments alongside some very observable flaws.

  • donobrien

    No he wasn’t caught stealing, Sorry, He tried to advance on a passed ball and was thrown out. That’s not a caught stealing, That’s why his consecutive 28 steals is unbroken. You really are stretching everything to knock Murph. I’ve got to think you are new at this baseball thing. And I’m not trying to be sarcastic.

  • At some point we will have to see if the Mets can afford to keep players as they blossom and go up in cost. Cash rules everything around here.

  • Haha. Yup. That’s me.

  • donobrien

    You are consistent, my friend, and I respect that a lot.

  • donobrien

    Tommy, he’s hitting 306 today, and I don’t think his splits are that wide apart.

  • CyYout

    I don’t see it happening. Doesn’t fit Sandy’s mold and we all know about the money problems around here.

  • donobrien

    2012: 10 in 12 tries: 2013: 23 in 26 tries; 2014: 6 in 6 tries. At this pace he might steal 36.

  • donobrien

    Who are these insiders who tell you this?

  • donobrien

    Who replaces your second best hitter? An unproven prospect like Flores?

  • donobrien

    Do you think Granderson is worth 4/60 mill ? Murph isn’t worth 4/40 or 4/48.?

  • CJM

    It’d be a different story if I had faith in the Wilpons’ solvency. Don’t get me wrong, I love David Wright. I’m proud that my favorite team has such a standup guy who will hopefully end up in the HOF. But with their current situation, it makes sense to trade their aging players for prospects and keep the team young and cheap. I just don’t see Wright being worth his contract when it’s all said and done. I was excited about the Granderson signing because it was fresh blood, but in all likelihood, he won’t be worth his contract either. Regarding Murph, I think he’s overrated by a lot of fans, but I do like him, just not as much as others. I think there’s a place for him on a winning ball club, but that club likely isn’t the Mets if they’re gonna pay him $10-$12 million a year and rely on him to bat at the top of the order.

  • donobrien

    Tip of the hat for showing the affection so many of us have for our remarkable, mutual friend. I lost my younger brother this year and today felt the same way.

  • Mike

    Yeah one point difference cause 319 is soooo superior to 318 idk what I was thinking

  • Mike

    I’m just going by stats pal for all of u Murphy lovers he’s just a 1.5 war guy because……..wait for it….he’s a butcher in the field. Every year he’s worse than a replacement would be at his position whether it’s Lf 1st 2nd he’s a dh Playing In the nl. He doesn’t walk and he hits mostly singles. His power is not impressive either 12-6-6-13? Nothing to write home about sorry. And please don’t compare his numbers to every second basemen in MLB… Every second basemen don’t play in right field because they’re range is so limited. Every second baseman doesn’t bobble the ball literally every gm

  • Mike

    The knee healed itself? Which time? He tore his mcl or lcl idk like three times!! And the whole where would the mets be without him is silly the mets have been terrible since he has been here anyway?

  • Mike

    I quickly corrected my 39 typo I wrote 30 he’s 29 and 31 after nxt yr when he’s a FA I was splitting the difference. U can’t just look at one yr yes he hit 13 hr last yr, he hit 12 total two yrs before combined. Yes he stole 23 bases last yr he stole 15 the two yrs prior combined. His Obp is getting worse every yr and his defense is awful

  • Mike

    Oh for heaven’s sake I clearly meant 12-11 ok??? Christ can’t u see a typo when u see one. If u know his stats so well u should know I meant 6 hr in 11′ 6 hr In 12′

  • Mike

    Well I wasn’t watching the gm I listened to it on the radio and josh lewin specifically said he was CS and his beloved streak was over forgive me! anyway give me a break putout, CS he was thrown out ok? He was not a successful stealer prior to last yr. 5-5 -10-2 can’t u see he’s just on a lucky streak? U really think that at 29 an average at best runner just suddenly becomes Ricky Henderson? I predict at least 5 CS this yr prob more and that will fold up the whole “Murphy is such an excellent stealer” argument

  • Mike

    I just love how u conveniently omitted 5 CS 5 In 2011 lol oh let me guess uh “he’s evolved!! His baseball iq is off the charts!” Give me a friggin break u murph lovers are so glass half full it’s really hysterical. NEVER talk about his flaws, of which there are a plenty

  • Mike

    Uhmmm there is this new invention called media. U may have heard of it, radio, tv, blogs etc. well I pay attention to this media u see and I recall that over the last three yrs there have been numerous reports by insiders such as Jon heyman Andy martino etc all stating that Murphy has been on the trading block the last three off seasons. The only player I ever heard that was offered in exchange was luke gregerson, a relief pitcher. Guess Murphy isn’t so sought after??

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    “idk what I was thinking”

    A lot of us would prefer not to know what you were thinking, quite frankly.

  • Mike

    Your comments are so juvenile and your stats are cherry picked please go troll somebody else.

  • Mike

    Uhm no u don’t sit Lagares based on his offensive struggles late last yr. In fact his numbers early on we’re what really hurt him because he was playing sporadically and was used to playing full time. Once he got the everyday role his numbers, when taking into account his +20 defense were adequate. And he has looked much better at the plate this yr I’m sure you’d agree.

  • Mike

    On Murphy idk I just don’t get that jazzed about someone who’s below average defensively has an Obp that’s dropping yr after yr and is primarily a singles hitter. 30-40 doubles ok tho this yr he’s on pace for more of a 30 2b campaign. With Wilmer Flores crushing the ball the last two yrs as one of the youngest players in aa and aaa and Ey getting an opportunity to play everyday, I think we have two players more than capable of replacing murph’s 1.5 war and probably improving on it, and in Flores’ case for pennies on the dollar

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    LMAO pot, meet kettle. Poor little Mike can’t make one legit fact and can’t take the heat.

    When you actually make smart & relevant statements, maybe I’ll take you seriously. Anybody who seriously says EY Jr is better than Murph should never call anyone else a troll, and also should get their head checked. BTW, nobody told you to continue responding and make yourself look more idiotic, so that’s on you. If I were you, I’d stop while I was behind.

  • donobrien

    FYI: There are three collateral ligaments in the knee: Anterior CL, Mediate CL, and Posterior CL. Front, Middle and Rear. Thus ACL, MCL, & PCL. I know this from years of playing and painful experience.

  • donobrien

    Your insiders are Martino and Heyman. Sounded like you heard from someone in the FO. You read it in the papers.

  • donobrien

    Who is better, One who steals 40 and is caught 15 times, or one who steals 23 and is caught 3 times?

  • donobrien

    You don’t believe some people learn and improve?

  • MetsWatchman

    The Mets had a chance to bring in a legit difference maker this past off season “on the cheap” but they chose not to when they passed on Jose Abreu. Kudos to the Chisox FO!

  • metsfansince64

    My recollection – which could be wrong – was that Toby Hyde felt that neither Reynolds nor Evans was a SS in the majors. Both 2B in his opinion. Unless I’m misremembering something.

  • upandadam

    IDK where all the comments went under my first one, but I talked about him probably receiving a deal close to what Aaron Hill got, 5/46 mil but probably slightly less(Hill got that after he hit .300 with 26 HRs). I also said Murph seems to me the kind of player that if he had similar offers from another team and the mets, but the mets had the lower offer by a small amount, he would stay with the mets. But that’s just how I feel. For 4/36 or 5/45 seems reasonable.

  • Mike

    What am i 67? I don’t buy newspapers. Just go to google and type in Daniel Murphy trade rumors I’m sure you’ll find what I’m talking about