Arizona is Shopping Didi Gregorius in Search of a Starter

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March 19

The Arizona Diamondbacks are making Didi Gregorius, and not fellow shortstop Chris Owings, available in trade discussions with other teams, an industry source told ESPN New York.

The D-backs seek an MLB-ready starting pitcher in return, hoping to offset the loss of intended Opening Day starter Patrick Corbin with a UCL tear.

A trio of Arizona scouts, including special assistant Todd Greene, watched a Mets intrasquad game involving Double-A and Triple-A players Tuesday on a back field at the Port St. Lucie complex. Noah Syndergaard, Logan Verrett and Jacob deGrom, who all may be in Triple-A Las Vegas’ rotation to open the season, pitched in that game. Syndergaard almost certainly is off-limits in Mets discussions, writes Adam Rubin.

We speculated on this Monday, which you can read below.

March 17

With Didi Gregorius losing Arizona’s shortstop battle to star prospect Chris Owings, he suddenly becomes an intriguing trade target for the New York Mets. While some Mets fans aren’t high on Gregorius, he would solidify the Mets weakness at shortstop. Gregorius is an extremely talented player, and he has the ability to become a solid major league starter.

Coming up through the minor league leagues, Gregorius was a top rated prospect.  Baseball America ranked him the 80th best prospect in baseball last season, and he was rated #63 overall by MLB.com.  While he never had impressive minor league statistics, scouts have always raved about his athleticism and defensive skills.

With Gregorius’ standout defensive skills, his fielding was impressive for the Diamondbacks last season.  He showed above average range, and he showcased a very strong throwing arm. Solid defense up the middle is crucial for the Mets, so this factor alone makes him a valuable piece.

While some criticize him for his hitting, these concerns are overblown.  Even though he hit just .252 with seven home runs and a .332 on-base last year, these numbers should not be held against him so harshly. 2013 was Gregorius’ first full season in the majors, and he was just 23 years old.  As he gains more experience and strength, his numbers will likely improve. Also, production among shortstops around the league is extremely low, so he does not need to post incredible numbers in order to be a productive player at his position.

While his late season slump at the end of the season is worrisome, there is no denying his talent. He has better skills across the board than incumbent Ruben Tejada, so he would be a significant upgrade this season.  Since Gregorius is a young and inexpensive player, he is also a piece that the Mets can potentially build around as well, and he won’t cost nearly as much as Owings would have or Nick Franklin as well.

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  • BehindTheBag

    I like him more than Tejada, and I would prefer him over Flores because he’s a natural shortstop. But I just don’t think he’s a match in trade because the D’Backs are going to want Montero, and I’d never trade a pitcher that talented for a player who profiles as all glove, no stick. Also, he had no stolen bases last year and didn’t steal much in the minors…so basically he’s a #8 hitter who shores up our up the middle defense.

    If we could get him for something like DeGrom + Fulmer, I’d do that…or even straight up for Flores. But I doubt that gets it done.

  • Super T

    So what exactly is Sandy waiting for? It’s not like the season is getting ready to start or anything.

  • Jeffy

    Wow, Flores would be absolutely nuts. He is a stud hitter and possibly full time first baseman next year.

  • Hodges14

    2020.

  • BehindTheBag

    I’d think if the Mets saw him as a first baseman at all, they’d actually, you know, play him at first.

    Basically, his max value is as a third baseman, which means trade. I don’t think we’re a good match with the D’Backs in that regard, I think they are set at third.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    It´s been repeatedly reported that the D´Backs want a top catching prospect. So think Plawecki instead of Montero as the centerpiece of a deal from the Mets side.

  • BarnRat

    A defensive upgrade who hit .252 with 7 hrs in 103 games in his first full season. I WISH that was our #8 hitter!

  • BehindTheBag

    I’d be interested in that. Given how shaky our catching situation is, I’d be a little reluctant to part with Plawecki. But you have to give to get.

  • BehindTheBag

    Don’t forget, there’s a reason he lost his job. He’s AZ’s leftovers, not a future all-star.

  • mr1313

    I’m not sure I would trade him straight up for Flores. DeGrom sure but Flores bat projects very nicely and could be special imo. Sandy has done well in trades so far here so let’s hope he can work some magic this time around.

  • BarnRat

    Yes, it’s just that when you’re starving…

  • bostongregg

    Given Patrick Corben’s elbow injury, I have a feeling that the D-Backs are looking for pitching at this point.

  • Sunshine

    .252 with 7 HR….probably more production out of a SS than the last 2 years combined.

  • mr1313

    Problem with trading Plawecki now is Travis has shown us nothing with his bat at this point. It’s crazy but I’m starting to like Plawecki better.

  • Bail4Nails

    I’m starting to think it doesn’t matter if we trade for a good hitter. Between Hudgen’s terrible approach, combined with Terry’s magnificent ability to work with youngsters, whoever we get will be an offensive head-case by midseason. Might as well stick with Flores, he’s used to the BS by now.

  • Jeffy

    If you can play 3rd and SS you don’t need much practice at first to be just an average first baseman. Right now its an Ike and Duda situation that very well may turn into a Flores situation. You are so over-rating Gregorius by saying you would trade Flores for him.

  • Jeffy

    lol, you would trade Flores for someone you previously called Arizona’s leftovers. wtf

  • mr1313

    I think Flores can be a solid 2b. It’s frustrating that we have no spot for this kid.

  • BehindTheBag

    Let me put it this way…if it was somebody else’s prospect who is defensively deficient and who went for a .548 OPS in his first cup of coffee, you wouldn’t be trading the moon for him.

    We overrate our own prospects, that’s our problem as fans. Flores is a nice hitting prospect who has never been above Top 50 in the game. I like him, would prefer to keep him, but we have needs to fill.

  • BehindTheBag

    Between he and Murph, we have an asset to trade, that’s for sure.

  • oleosmirf

    and he was a rookie last season and given his pedigree, he should expected to improve going forward especially if you can limit his bats against LHP.

  • BehindTheBag

    He outperformed Flores with the bat in their respective first seasons, albeit while 2 years older. But he plays a premium position.

    I consider Plawecki to be the more valuable prospect because of his position. I like Wilmer’s bat, don’t get me wrong. But he’s not can’t miss, protect-at-all-costs. He’s a trade chip, and if we can upgrade around the diamond, you have to consider it.

    If we don’t make an upgrade via trade or signing Drew, my preference is to play Flores at SS, because I want his bat to develop. I like him. But I’d rather solidify a trouble spot in our lineup with a natural SS with upside.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    and the difference between Didi and Tovar is exactly what ???

  • mr1313

    Let’s not put too much stock in baseball’s top prospects rankings. Also Gregorious hasn’t been in the Top 50 either so…

  • Just_Da_damaja

    limit his AB’s against LHP?

    how does a young kid ever learn to hit LHP then ?

  • BehindTheBag

    Miles and miles of talent. Tovar is a scrub. Every organization has at least 2 of those guys floating around.

  • Bail4Nails

    How many do we have?

  • Joshua Eichenbaum

    I’d take Gregorius in a heartbeat. The Mets can build as a pitching and defense team with him solidifying the defense up the middle, and those kinds of teams tend to do pretty well for themselves… And .252 is about 40 points higher than what any of our current shortstops hit last year

  • oleosmirf

    Exactly, Flores is a good prospect who will probably be an above average 3B when it’s all said and done, but his bat will probably never be good enough for 1B and he won’t have the defense and/or on base skills to make up for it.

    I still think he’s our future 2B and he’ll replace Murphy in the coming months, but I would not hesitate to trade him in the right deal.

  • BehindTheBag

    I wonder if they’d take Gee off our hands. I’d like to think Colon/Wheeler/Mejia/Dice-K/Lannan with DeGrom in reserve and Niese if his injury woes are behind him, could get us through the summer, when Thor and Montero could come up.

    Normally I would not want to decimate our pitching depth, but this season should be about building for next year when we get Harvey back and Thor/Montero are basically off innings limits.

  • BehindTheBag

    So…they are evenly matched 🙂

  • mr1313

    Yeah but you are comparing him to Quintanllia so that’s not saying much.

  • BehindTheBag

    Unfortunately the two teams with SS’s to deal don’t need 2B upgrades. But there should be a match out there. Murph is a fine player, he just happens to play the one position where we have depth and thus assets to trade.

  • 2rings

    like all trades, it depends on what you are giving up..Maybe with the Corbin injury, AZ is a desperate as Mets are, and we would not have to overpay to get DG

  • BehindTheBag

    Matt Reynolds and Danny Muno come to mind.

  • Sunshine

    They learn by having a gradually increasing sample size of AB against said pitching, based on results. That is what is meant by limit.

  • oleosmirf

    Most teams would view Flores as a 3B, but still Arizona and Seattle don’t need to upgrade there. Both teams need MLB ready pitching and that’s not something I’d give up for Gregorius or Franklin.

    I’d give up Mejia or deGrom, but that’s certainly not going to be enough.

  • Joshua Eichenbaum

    Well Tejada hit .202, so I’m actually spotting Gregorius a few points over our current starting shortstop

  • Joshua Eichenbaum

    I hate to say this but I don’t think the Corbin injury really changes what they’re looking for. If anything they’ll probably just call up Archie Bradley sooner

  • Bail4Nails

    Didi at SS, Flores at 2B, Murphy at 1B?
    I could live with that.

  • oleosmirf

    Most LH hitters struggle against LHP and no amount of “practice” will ever change that.

    That doesn’t mean he should never ever play against LHP, but if your backup SS can hit LHP better than him, it makes sense to sit him against tough lefties.

    Same logic applies to Stephen Drew who is a career .235 hitter against LHP

  • 2rings

    who is going to AZ in this trade?

  • ro7a

    if Niese wasnt a hypochondriac or damaged goods, whichever is the case, this would have been the perfect opportunity to move him. While the Dbags have Bradley I am sure they would prefer to wait to a few months to bring him up. Niese would have fit nicely in Corbin’s shoes.

  • Benny

    The Diamondbacks are in need of a SP after Corbin’s injury yesterday and have been rumored to have been looking for a young C all offseason, they are just not a match on what they will eventually ask for (think Montero or Plawecki). The price will just not be worth it, especially for a light-hitting defensive minded Shortstop.

  • Benny

    “Same logic applies to Stephen Drew who is a career .235 hitter against LHP”

    So why not just sign Drew then?

  • ro7a

    I can live with that from a SS if he plays + D. Your SS has to give you one or the other. Ours gives us neither and doesnt give us speed either which DD also gives you some of.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    I think Murphy has much more value at 2nd, where he has improved to approximately average defense. He’s blocked at 3B and he doesn’t have the “power” everyone is so obsessed with, so he could never be secure at 1B unless he learned to field like Keith. Didi at SS and a 1B out of Satin-Flores-Duda-etc. (DFA or trade Ike & Tejada for whatever you can get, there is too much bad history between them and this team) would work until Smith is ready. Especially if Didi can be had for less than Franklin- the last thing we need is a natural 2B playing SS next to a 3B playing 2B, even if he is doing ok!

  • Met lifer

    Towers will want every bit as much for Didi as he wanted for Owings. Think Plawecki and Montero. He has a problem with Sandy that stems back to their San Diego days. I would not send either for Didi.

  • Donal

    I kind of like this. He plays good defense plus has a good OBP, BABIP and he hits lots of line drives. Give him a shot at lead off.

  • Agee’s Catch

    Can we give Flores 5-6 starts this week at SS this week before we start trading away starting pitchers?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    but your backup SS may need regular playing time to hit anyone well..

    you are underscoring the importance of regular playing time. not everyone can come off the bench and hit.

  • Donal

    Then he’s stupid for making it personal. He needs a starter and we’ve got plenty. Its good to try and squeeze out the best you can get, it is stupid to hold up a good deal because you are angry.

  • oleosmirf

    Because Drew is likely to regress which is not something you want for a team looking to compete down the road.

    The idea is to acquire someone who is already decent and will get better in time.

  • Donal

    He doesn’t need to be an All Star. He just needs to a competent SS that isn’t a black hole in the line up.

  • Benny

    “not everyone can come off the bench and hit.”

    Exactly!

  • Benny

    After Niese’s injury are you sure “we’ve got plenty?”

  • Met lifer

    Just because he is in a position of power doesn’t mean he ain’t stupid. Plenty of examples of that. I am sure he will deal with him alright, but I am sure he will try and stick it to him by asking very high. Plenty of GM’s don’t deal with certain others.

  • Donal

    Yes. We’ve got 5 major league ready starters that are probably going to be in Vegas.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    Not unless you fire TC. He’s not the worst manager ever, but probably the most passive-agressive ever. If he doesn’t believe in something he will sabotage it non-stop. Kid has a good day? He sits. Kid has a bad day? He plays. Someone needs rest? He plays doubleheaders and day after night.

  • Donal

    He should ask for a high price. That’s the only way to get the best deal. And I’m sure there are plenty of execs out there who are too damned obstinate to cut a reasonable deal with.

    But that is different from not making a deal that improves your team because of personal feelings.

  • TheWizard7

    Cheap team

  • Out of place Mets fan

    Do the Mets have 1 – 200 innings pitcher in the rotation or minors – No. Then there isnt room to deal unless your talking prospect for pro, and honestly i don’t think Didi is worth the prospects Towers will want

  • ParisWilponCOO

    “Just because he is in a position of power doesn’t mean he ain’t stupid.”

    You have just summarized 99.9% of everyone from any party who has served in Washington DC in one sentence!

  • Donal

    That is why you negotiate. I agree Didi isn’t worth a 1 or 2. But would you part with say DeGrom and Cam Maron?

  • Met lifer

    I get your point, I am just saying he will demand higher on the dollar from us than he would accept from others.

  • Benny

    Drew just turned 31 years of age, I don’t think the regression you speak of will be that big of a deal on a 1 or 2 year deal. Plus considering what it would take to get Didi, I personally think the better decision would be just to spend the money on Drew, rather than overpay in prospects for a light-hitting defensive minded Shortstop. Just my opinion though…

  • prosoundz

    Just put Flores at 1st base in AAA and leave him there. As soon as Davis builds some value trade his as$ along with Duda.

    Trade for Asdrubal Cabrera at the deadline and sign him to a multi-year deal. Maybe Dillon Gee could snag him up from the Indians.

    Cabrera would be an upgrade power wise and he has MLB experience and is just entering his prime he is a proven player coming off a down year. Perfect fit for the Mets I say.

    2015

    Flores at 1st, Cabrera at SS, Murphy at 2nd, Wright at 3b.

    Puello LF, Lagares CF, Granderson RF

    Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Montero, Mejia with Niese coming back from injury, Matz, de-Grom, Fullmer and any other Lannan type signings made all as back ups.

  • prosoundz

    I see Sandy looking to trade for Asdrubal when the Indians start to shop him at the deadline. Stick with Tovar at SS for now and wait til Cabrera becomes available.

  • Benny

    Really? Name them.

  • Met lifer

    That is not bad. I would consider that before paying Towers a kings ransom for a defensive minded slap hitting ss with no speed, occasional power that won’t translate at Citifield.

  • derek murphy

    We already have tovar who is a very similar player to gregarious. They are both above avg fielders with the ability to hit for a decent avg. They have Reynolds who was a great college bat n Flores who are both viewed as 3rd baseman. While Reynolds in more likely to be able to stick I’d love to see Flores get a legit chance. He’s very athletic n has improved his range a great deal since last season. Hopefully they try n fill some of these holes internally. An every day line up with Flores n Puello instead of Tejada n EY or CY will be so much better.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    Assuming that we get Didi or SOMEONE for SS, if we keep Q or Seratelli or Flores as backup, anyone think Detroit gives Tejada a look as a change-of scenery backup option? If they buy low from us and he rebounds, great. If not, cut him, no big loss?

  • piazza4aday

    there are roughly 28 million reasons not to sign Drew and then 730 days to try to trade him after you do.

  • mad met

    Didi would be the perfect player if we had a real first basemen and Peullo was in right instead of Chris young

  • Vin

    Nice write-up, thanks. There was also a nice write-up on Drew maybe 2 months ago that flipped my opinion enough that I’d be happy with signing the guy for 2 years.

    And logic says Tejada’s making the same errors he started last year with and Flores is
    getting minimal time at SS, so the Mets are up the creek and will sign
    Drew or make a trade, right?

    However, we’re talking about Alderson, so I expect him to most likely do something unexpected and, in this case, unwise. Mainly, I expect him to stand pat.

    Sometimes, IMO, you can let yourself lose a little (slightly overpay for Drew or in a trade for Didi (who I like over Franklin for a SS)), to avoid losing a lot (as we’re more apt to do with Tejada at SS. If Alderson’s pride or whatever gets in the way of his realizing that and the Mets do start the season badly in good part b/c of it, then the Mets need to start looking for a new GM. One that will do something about 90 wins, rather then offer empty speculation on it.

  • WillisReid

    Except for the fact that Tovar has only done it up to AA, whereas Didi has actually done it at the big league level.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    To me, “defensive minded slap hitting” is what we need more of at Citi- although speed would be nice too. Mets win with pitching, defense, pitching, timely hitting, and pitching. Oh, and did I mention pitching?

  • derek murphy

    For didi the mets wouldn’t trade Montero or plawecki. Ur overstating his value by light years. Owings was a completly different story his power speed combo makes him a potential star. Arizona will get nothing near the haul for didi that they would have got for owings. Didi is not worth trading for for us. We have better internal options.

  • Met lifer

    I get that and I don’t not like Didi, but not for what he will want in return. Didi is probably the best fielder of all who may be available now and at deadline and next year. However, he is the weakest stick of all of them. No doubt.

  • Vin

    As a SS, who would be better internally? And, before anyone thinks this is a challenge, it’s just a question.

    For me, I’d rather go with Flores or Tovar over Tejada at this point b/c I think Rubin might break down at Citi if (when) the fans turn on him.

    So, who is better than Didi internally and why?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Really not very interested in Didi. Didi is “only” 23? Tejada had a better season when he was “only” 23. Not sure Didi is worth the price we’d have to pay.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Half a season of Cabrera when we might be out of it by June if we’re lucky? What’s the point of that?

  • Vin

    Tejada looks like a headcase at this point, so I can’t go on prior production.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    I have to agree that it seems like a seller’s market for SS right now and it’s not worth overpaying in a non-contending year (“90 wins”, hah!)

  • ParisWilponCOO

    A couple of years ago I woud have said Carlos Gomez looks like a bust and Tejada is a potential all-star. Baseball is funny. Didi looks like a crapshoot to me- you get a fair deal, you take a shot. If not, you pass.

  • Ron

    Why are we always relegated to the “scraps’ other teams leave behind?

  • Out of place Mets fan

    I don’t think that would get it done, and I don’t see much offensive upside to Didi. Would rather go with Flores and carry Tovar for late innings D

  • BronxMets

    usual Met post. Ignore all the negatives and just focus on the positives. Could you prove to me your theory that his batting average should improve just cause.

  • Sylow59

    That makes no sense. This isn’t grade school

  • Met lifer

    He is just being optimistic. With our early schedule, it will not be easy just being 500. A lot of good things need to happen, it stands to reason with Thor, and Montero in the second half, we could be better and a player like Cabrera would be desirable.

  • metsman

    If Gregorius is scrap, count me in.

  • BronxMets

    hysterical

  • RyanF55

    “he hit just .252 with seven home runs last year” …Oh, so a better average and 7 home runs better than Tejada? Yes he’s an instant upgrade. Any living thing at the position is seemingly an upgrade, it’s all about what it will take to get that said upgrade.

  • SCalNTMetfan

    I was a wait and see with Tejeda, but clearly he is not up to the task, I say we need to get Didi, lets get this done and move on, Tejeda looks worse than last year and Didi has something which Tejeda never had or will ever have, athleticism and defensive skill plus power….LETS GET IT DONE

  • Met lifer

    If you don’t think these guys hold grudges or hold onto hard feelings, so be it.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    He does look like a headcase and I think they can do better, but I’m just pointing out it’s silly to say Didi is “only” 23 when Tejada had a better season at the same age.

    It could mean Didi will improve or stay the same. I’m sure people we comfortable with Tejada after 2012 too.

  • Met lifer

    Plenty of adults act like grade schoolers, and this is not a new rumor about them two.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    W-I-L-P-O-N

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I just don’t think he’s worth a Montero and after watching TDA in Spring Training, I hesitate to throw in Plawecki as well.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    But we could wait for free agency and save the prospects.

  • Sunshine

    And Tovar of course.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    I agree- Montero is not a “fair deal”. Plawecki I’m not as sure. Mejia or Familia maybe? Great upside but never healthy- trade of crapshoots?

  • SCarton12

    Tovar hasn’t proved he could hit at AAA, Reynolds couldn’t hit single A, and did you just say that Flores is athletic???

  • prosoundz

    It wouldn’t be for this year obviously. I mean if we could make a push when Montero, Syndergaard and Mejia are in the rotation. This trade would be for the future. This would be a sign and trade deal ala Johan Santana so I would’nt expect the Mets to give up much for him. Maybe a deGrom or a Fullmer type.

  • SCarton12

    Plenty?, name the ones that are proven MLB starters. When you get past seven, then we have plenty.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s enough for ARI.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    But we can just sign him as a free agent and keep our DeGrom and Fulmer. On top of that, I don’t even think that would get it done. Look what we got for half a season of Beltran.

  • prosoundz

    Just wait for Asdrubal Cabrera. Ugh. Enough of this talk about mediocre SS. Put Tovar in trade for Cabrera at the deadline or wait til free agency. Cabrera is worth the contract he will be getting. He is an above avg SS even on a down year.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    Unfortunately things don’t change much after grade school. I don’t know about Towers/Sandy, but about 10 years ago there was a multi-billion dollar negotiation between 2 financial companies that went back and forth over 2 years. They settled everything- management, location of HQ, share price, all the big sticking points. A and B never merged because they could not agree if it would become “AB inc” “BA inc” “A-B” or “B-A”.

  • prosoundz

    Well then we wait. No trading blue chip guys for mediocre SS. I could go into the year with Tovar. Or Drew on a 1 year deal.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    I’ll throw in Tejada and Ike- no charge!

    If they take Jeff Wilpon they can have Harvey, Wheeler and Thor.

  • Met lifer

    This is true and probably what they will do. It’s kind of the vibe they are giving unless you think all the statements are a ploy by them.

  • Ron

    OK, I’m a Met fan since 1962. But the shame of all shames is that the Wilpons’s committed this team to being a second class….if not a third class organization. Yeah yeah yeah…..great young talent coming up. That is only potential. This organization is a second class dumping grounds for others trash. Very sad.

  • DrDooby

    Gregorius would be the best defensive SS in a Met uniform since Rey Ordonez was in his prime. He´s an outstanding, gold glove caliber defender and would make a big difference on the field.

    That said, his offense is questionable and he probably fits best hitting at the bottom of a batting order, though he´s a LHH and thus gives the lineup a bit more balance.

    Considering that the Mets plan to build their team around young high-end pitching, I´d be in favor of getting a plus defender at SS with so-so offensive skills and rather look to upgrade that along the way elsewhere.

    The big question mark is whether the Mets will be able to match up with the D´backs in terms of a price in trade. The D´backs parted with RH Trevor Bauer last year – a consensus Top 50 in Baseball prospect back then – in exchange for Gregorius. I don´t think they´d settle for much less.

    Syndergaard & d´Arnaud qualify in that range for the Mets. And the Mets need both going forward and parting with either one would be a classic case of robbing Peter to pay Paul.

    As promising as Kevin Plawecki is, he wouldn´t get a deal done for Gregorius. Not sure Rafael Montero is a good fit for the Arizona ballpark which tends to hurt flyball pitchers with Montero certainly figures to be. Same for Dillon Gee btw.

    Maybe the D´backs like Jenrry Mejia. Maybe they don´t as much. DeGrom could be a complementary piece, maybe along with Plawecki. That would be a fair, albeit certainly steep price.

    In any case, Gregorius is somewhat similar to a “reverse” Nick Franklin. Plus defense to go with questionable offense vs. promising offense for a middle infielder vs. questionable defense.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    “Here’s my prediction,” the veteran scout said on Sunday. “The Mets are out of it at the (July 31 trade) deadline and they trade (Bartolo) Colon for Gregorius. That way they keep their young pitching and save some money, too.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/harper-mets-armed-strike-deal-young-offense-article-1.1723860#ixzz2wEPMBYHa

  • cheddabuddha

    I’m tired of the trade rumors and I’m tired of the mets stringing our prospects along. Don’t trade leave flores at shortstop if the boy can truly hit who cares how good he is at short. Also why do we piss around with dice K and Lannon montero and mejia are ready and so is syndagard if you don’t want to spend money wilpon you cheap bastard then give our guys a chance

  • mad met

    I would agree with u on tovar if we did not have a gapping whole at first base right field and possibly catcher. Didi is better than his numbers suggest and he is a better bat than tovar.

  • Peter

    They want about the same for gregouros. A catcher and a pitcher.

  • MetsfanInParadise

    M-O-U-S-E

  • BehindTheBag

    If Colon for Gregorious would get it done, make that trade right now, why wait???

  • BehindTheBag

    He’s worth the monster contract despite up and down stats…and possibly costing us a #1 pick, definitely a #2.

    Why is that better than signing Drew to a short term deal?

    And Tovar doesn’t even get you in the door for Cabrera, let’s be real.

  • It’s getting to the point now where just about any other MLB SS is an upgrade over Tejada. I’d love to get Gregorius, but as always, it’s all about the relative cost. The good news is that Arizona could be on the lookout for pitching now that Corbin might be out for the season. And since we have pitching…you’d have to think there’s a match here to be made.

  • WillisReid

    The consensus at the time was that they overpaid to get Gregorious, who has subsequently been exposed a bit and has now lost his job. They lost that trade, and while they aren’t going to give him away, they aren’t going to get equal value for him. So do they take what they can get, or does he help them more on the bench or in AAA?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Because the situation is the Mets are out of it and the D’Backs are looking for pitching to sure up their run for the playoffs.

    Those conditions don’t exist on March 17.

  • DrDooby

    Not sure they lost the trade as Trevor Bauer regressed seriously in 2013 (though he has looked better again this spring).

    And it´s not so much anyone soured on Gregorius who had a very solid rookie season but instead they happened to have a 2nd SS prospect Chris Owings who not only plays above average defense but also provides a lot more hitting potential especially power wise.

  • DrDooby

    The D´backs also have pitching. Archie Bradley is the best SP prospect in Baseball, arguably, and now he may be forced into action sooner than expected. Randall Delgado, another nice arm from the Upton trade, also seems rotation bound now, especially if Arroyo misses more time with his back issue.

  • Jack

    Great Pitching and Defense will work great in Citi Field no question.

  • WillisReid

    At the time it was considered an overpay.

  • prosoundz

    I meant play Tovar at SS for the time being. Sorry I rushed that sentence, I re-read it just like you did. Lol. Cabrera is young and hitting his prime with 7 years of experience. At some point you have to start winning now. Stock piling picks is a good thing, but not at the expense of getting a young player like Cabrera at a premium position.

  • mad met

    I would agree if Chris young was not here and we had a proper first basemen

  • mad met

    Travis and degrom

  • I think he’s playing out of position. 252 and 7 homers makes him our starting 1st Baseman and cleanup hitter.

  • mad met

    They are not aloud to trade a free agent for a certain amount of time after signing

  • mad met

    Excellent comment. I would be 100 percent in agreement if we had a real first basemen and Chris young gone .. Peullo and a real first base men/clean up hitter would provide protection in the line up for Juan and Didi while providing the best defense in the sport

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    What do you mean? Young is a very good fielder.

  • Matt Mosher

    They can pound sand then. I’m not giving up that much for a guy who could be an average SS.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    One problem: What if Gregorius is dealt before July 31st, which is a very strong possibility?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well then I guess we wouldn’t be able to make that trade.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    these folks think that players are exactly the same way in real life as they are in the video games.

  • coyote521

    If you think his offense is questionable now, wait til this gang of bozo’s gets a hold of him. He’ll be hitting .215 , striking out one out of three ab’s, then his defense will suffer, and then old sandy will be in the booth telling gary keith and ron that didi’s work ethic leaves something to be desired.

  • coyote521

    What part of
    “The mets are out of it”
    Doesn’t exist now?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I guess not everyone shares your pessimism.

  • Sunshine

    He’s an unproven rookie with no real position, is what Flores is. Such a player has no real market value, in the NL, and as such…he remains on the Mets.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    “Don’t forget, there’s a reason he lost his job”

    Because Owings can hit for power. They value offense over defense. Defensively at short, from what we can see from the minors, Flores even looks impressive. If Owings gets exposed not too far into things (not being able to get on as much, striking out in bunches), Arizona will be in trouble, especially if Gregorius is gone.

  • Tommy med

    I would take Didi but not for Plaweki AND a pitcher. If it was just Plaweki I would do it. Didi is young he still has time to grow into a solid hitter

  • Sunshine

    Thats because he hasn’t played in MLB yet.

  • Donal

    Syndergaard, Montero, DeGrom, Mejia, maybe Mazzoni. Granted, Mazzoni may get changed to a reliever, but he could probably be a decent back end starter.

  • Tommy med

    Lemme rephrase that. A top pitching prospect* ..id add in a Tapia or a lower level arm

  • Donal

    Proven? In the minors? If the Dbacks want a proven starter for him, then the conversation is going to be very short and disappointing.

  • mad met

    Agreed he is a good fielder. But if u want to carry an awesome fielding light hitting ss, a question mark at first and catcher then right field can’t bat 220-240 with 150 k’s and Maybe 10 hr in this park.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Fair. Just saying since you seemed to say Chris Young didn’t slot into the “pitching and defense” mentality, which he does. Between Granderson, Lagares and Young, the Mets could have one of the best OF defenses in the majors.

  • mad met

    We could have lived with young if first base was a monster bat and catcher was not a question mark. Juan has to play every day in center .he has shown that his arm and defense are game changing regardless of what u get from his bat. Everyone is so concerned with a big hitting ss. What we need is a vacuum at ss that won’t embarrass him self with the bat and a real first basemen ..with puello in right Juan and grandy and a vacuum at ss such as Didi or even tovar are pitchers would have the confidence to throw more strikes knowing the ball will be caught leading to less walks and more efficient innings. But we can’t do that with questions in right first and catcher. Something has to give

  • SCarton12

    Well they lost their best starter and they are giving up a MLB proven SS, I would think they would want at least a proven 4-5th starter, not a maybe prospect.

  • Benny

    Montero and Mejia are and both will be on an innings-limit this year.

    Syndergaard, Mazzoni, and deGrom are not MLB ready yet, and even if they were they will be on an innings-limit like both Montero and Mejia.

    Wheeler is also on an innings-limit this year.

    Niese may be injured.

    Lannan and Matsuzaka are both question marks (has-beens if you ask me).

    So the only reliable starters we have are Gee and Colon.

  • HarveyKsYou

    Jose Reyes?? He was a very good fielder.

  • BCleveland3381

    Gregorius is a good defender. That is why anyone would want him on their team. I haven’t watched a ton of him. I saw him play against the Mets last year a few times and that was about it. But knowing that and looking at the numbers it does raise some cause for concern.

    This fanbase rips guys that come into the league, begin hitting well and then start to crumble as pitchers begin to figure out how to pitch to them. Kirk Nieuwenhuis and Juan Lagares are two guys from last year that got a lot of heat for falling off offensively last season. Well, here is Gregorius’ batting average by month last season..

    April – .407
    May – .293
    June – .241
    July – .234
    August – .197
    September – .182

    If he was a Met last year, he’d have gotten torn apart by fans after his season tanked like that offensively.

    And lets just remember, this is another guy offering little in the way of power(5 of his 7 career HRs in extreme hitters parks) or Speed(0 career SB). It’s very Ruben Tejada like. He’s probably a little better of a defender than Ruben was when he was good, and he has a little more pop. But you could argue Ruben’s 2011 and 2012 were both better than Gregorious was last year. Does his bat have any real upside? Not really from everything I’ve read. He’s a defensive first SS.

    I know our SS situation is brutal. But I’m really not comfortable giving up much to bring in Gregorious because I don’t think he’d really be much better than what we already have.

  • reality check

    i wouldn’t trade Plaweki for him,we need the catching back up id TDA continues to hit this bad.see id TDA picks it up in the time left, if not trade him and Plaweki work his way into our line up

  • Benny

    So you basically just described Tovar.

  • BCleveland3381

    Yeah. I’m all for going out and getting a real SS. If Franklin can play short long term, go get him. If Owings can be had, go get him. Give up something, you have to give up some quality players if you want to get one back in return. But if the option is trading a prospect for Gregorius or Tovar, I’d just take Tovar. Ill expect really good defense and hope for a .230 batting average, lol

  • Benny

    Colon cannot be traded before June 15th.

  • Benny

    No, it’s because Colon can’t be traded until June 15th.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Brian,
    We cannot say with certainty that his numbers are overblown and that most likely he is to improve with experience. In his first 31 games Gregorius hit. 319 and then for his final 72 games he hit a combined .238. He also hit just .200 against left handed pitching which also raises the question of him being a platoon player. He also would not resolve the problem of a lead-off hitter because he has no speed as far as stolen bases are concerned.

    Also, that he lost his job to Chris Owings who has not been so impressive this spring says a lot. As NBC sports noted:

    “ESPN’s Jim Bowden hears that Chris Owings is the favorite over Didi Gregorius for the Diamondbacks’ starting shortstop job. Owings, 22, has not had a particularly great showing this spring, but has out-hit Gregorius in OPS, .698 to .541.

    “Gregorius, 24, wasn’t particularly impressive in his rookie season in 2013, posting a .704 OPS. Owings wasn’t noticeably better at the big league level last season but only had 61 plate appearances with which to work. He performed well with Triple-A Reno, slashing .330/.359/.482.”

  • KennyandtheMets

    deGrom for Gregorius??? Thoughts….?

  • Metropolitan

    can he hit?

  • edmet

    degrom for gregarious perfect. throw in centeno if we need to. dbacks want a pitcher and a young catcher. didi could be our new buddy harrelson at ss.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Not very well, but he is a great defender. Right now, improvemnet on either side of the field is a plus for us.

  • BehindTheBag

    If only that would get it done. I think it’s more along the lines of Plawecki and/or Montero. Plawecki I’d think about, Montero is a non-starter for me.

  • BehindTheBag

    Thanks, my bad.

  • BehindTheBag

    C’mon now, except for 5th starter, 8th inning reliever, 9th inning reliever, 1B, C, SS, and RF, this team is ROCK SOLID.

  • Sach

    I think Sandy has to put to bed at least 1 of the dramas at SS or 1B especially SS. However, both Rafael and Kevin in trade for Didi is larceny. But if I was Sandy I would consider trading just Montero or even just Travis for this guy and going with a Recker- Centeno tandem at C this year before Kevin is ready.

  • BehindTheBag

    Because not everyone hits from their debut until the day they retire.

    Your counter theory (that more often than not do not improve after their first season) should lead us to dump Flores and TdA immediately.

  • Metropolitan

    If he can’t hit he is not for us!

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well, that too but I thought that went without saying.

  • mr1313

    Montero for Gregorious is not happening.

  • KennyandtheMets

    That is all I have asked for since Sandy signed Granderson and Colon. I have wanted him to address either SS or 1B. SS seems to be the greater need. Even if Satin, Lutz, or Flores played 1B, we could get some production from the position. Tejada is just a disaster at this point.

  • mad met

    They should have traded for a first basemen at the winter meetings and used tovar at ss

  • mad met

    To put in prospective he is a better fielder and stick then Rey ordenez. … With our young pitchers Didi and Juan up the middle would be the best defense in the sport for years to come . The problem is first base . And I’m not crazy about cy either. But this year to me at this point is a punt for 2015. Acquire Didi trade cy and colon at break bring up Peullo and trade for a first basemen such as Edwin encarcion that’s a real team

  • lareplus

    I would platoon Satin and Neuwenhuis at First while playing Flores every day at AAA. Captain Kirk has a good glove and could learn that position easily. Send everybody else to the minors, Tejada, Q, Duda and Davis. That would be a big boost for fans, letting them know that yeah, we have a decent shortstop at last.

  • mad met

    Personally I would give them Travis straight up

  • lareplus

    I’d trade TDA for Didi. . .I think Centeno and Rucker can handle it while Plaw seasons for a year or so.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I’m wondering if we could trade TDA and Degrom for Gregorious.

  • WillisReid

    I don’t get this at all. Duda has been miles better than Kirk and they are both LH.

  • mr1313

    Wow the posts in this thread show how desperate we are for an average to slightly above average ss who has good defense but no bat. TDA for Gregorious, Montero for Gregorious. I’m glad none of us are GM’s of this team.

  • lareplus

    And the Mets have now, with the acquisitions this off season, the best defenders in the outfield in just about all of baseball. Young, Granderson, Lagares, MDD and Neuwenhuis. . .those are all pretty darm good fielders!

  • WillisReid

    In a second, but I don’t think AZ would do that.

  • BCleveland3381

    Im positive we could. But why on earth would we do that? Why are so many people looking to trade TDA when his value is as low as its ever been?

  • BCleveland3381

    Rubin tweeted Flores is starting at short again on Tuesday. He’s starting to get a little more work there. Any chance the Mets were just easing him into play short early in the spring? Or perhaps they were just hoping Tejada would turn it around? It might be starting to sink in that they might actually have to start Flores there.

  • WillisReid

    He hasn’t shown enough with the bat so far to justify the glove.

  • Jakal42400

    Didi is a perfect fit, especially if he can show any sort of leadoff potential. What are they asking is the key. I think if you mention Gee it’s gets a straight up deal and possibly a very low level pitcher along with him. Didi is not going to make us forget Reyes anytime soon, but he will make us move on from Tejada with many years to come and hopefully provide stability at the position where with the growth coming from so many other positions “potentially” the bat will not be as neccessary as it is at this time.
    Why gee? Just a personal feeling that he’s at peek value and the talent in the minors will eventually surpass him.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I agree with you. I don’t want to trade him. I just think that we might want to give Plawecki a shot.

  • BCleveland3381

    Cmon now. He doesn’t need to prove his bat is MLB ready. He’s hit on every level. He just needs a position and ABs.

  • HarveyKsYou

    He, like almost all of our notable players (MDD and Kirk are not players that will make or break a season for us) have struggled on the offensive side of things.

  • BCleveland3381

    Plawecki hasn’t played above A ball.

  • KennyandtheMets

    It doesn’t seem like Tovar is in their plans.

  • WillisReid

    Yeah a position he can be at least average at. I just can’t believe they would do this again after watching Duda play either corner OF position.

    I don’t doubt the bat will come around, but this guy isn’t a SS.

  • MiqueMetsFan

    We still have to give TDA a shot. He hasn’t even had a full year under his belt and folks are looking to trade him. Let’s give him a chance. If Plawecki progresses then great. Personally I would try to get a 3rd team involved so as to not give up any of our catchers in any trades.

  • WillisReid

    He’s still waiting for his shot at AAA.

  • BronxMets

    Not at all i just asked you to prove it

  • jason bay

    Kirk will not be playing 1B and Montero, TDA and Plaweicki shouldn’t be traded for Gregorious.

    I like Didi. I would go Familia, Mejia or Gee for him but that probably won’t work this year with Harvey and Niese ailing.

  • BCleveland3381

    That’s what I see from everything I’ve read. But I haven’t seen him there enough to judge that for myself. He was ok there. Didn’t play any worse than Tejada. But I really can’t tell yet. I need to see more.

  • I don’t think they call up Bradley until after Super Two deadline, but maybe if they’re rushed they will call him up in late April. They do have lots of arms they like but I still think there’s a deal to be made. Arroyo’s had issues and McCarthy is a walking injury risk. If they can sell on Gregorius instead of letting in languish at AAA and perhaps lose value, they will, especially…if they can get an arm that’s projected to be better than what they have in the organization (obviously, anyone not named Archie Bradley).

  • Andrew Herbst

    Yep. He still has some years to develop.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Yep. We need to see TDA start to hit this year.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I think he will continue to progress through the minors and make it to big leagues in 2-3 years.

  • Mets Fan in Paris

    Where is Timothy Frith? I want to hear his prediction on what will happen at SS. 🙂

  • Matt Mosher

    Probably that we will trade Michael Fulmer, Domingo Tapia and Matt den Dekker to Colorado at the deadline for Troy Tulowitzki. Colorado pays 75% of his contract too.

  • mad met

    But tehada has ?

  • mr1313

    Good point made on twiiter. With Parker going down A’s could be looking for a pitcher and have Russell SS in AAA and Jed Lowry in the majors.

  • jason bay

    WAY too much.

  • mad met

    Thats a very steep price bud maybe one of them …but either way for this year didi does not make us a playoff team. We still need to fix first base .. with a real first basemen tovar can play ss and we can bring up peullo if chris young sucks as i expect

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Went to the game on Sunday. Flores looked pretty sharp starting at SS. FPCT 1.000 for Flores. FPCT for Tejada is .879

  • KennyandtheMets

    I’m not willing to sell low on Travis yet. I am still hoping he will start hitting.

  • KennyandtheMets

    What would you offer?

  • Andrew Herbst

    Agreed. I’m thinking we’d trade either TDA or Degrom.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I’d like to see Tovar get a shot. We have to address the 1b situation.

  • Mets Fan in Paris

    That’s what I’m talking about man! Good stuff! Way to fill in for him in his absence!

  • trevordunn

    Tejada will be the SS…nothing anybody can say or do about it

  • GCarter28

    Lets face it Sandy Is content to go into the season with this team. The Mets are not trading anyone or signing Drew. Like it or not these are your NY Mets.

  • Captain America

    Meaning DBacks wouldn’t do it?

  • Captain America

    Why not hold Gee and flip Montero?

  • jason bay

    Kazmir with tricep soreness which is an ominous sign too.

  • WillisReid

    DeGrom. Gregarious would be an upgrade, but I’m not sure I want to give up any of the arms down to deGrom, not ready to give up on TdA yet and don’t want to give up Plawecki. If they would do deGrom and a lower level prospect, awesome. If not Tovar it is.

  • Captain America

    What have defensive oriented SS yielded via trade in recent years?

    Check that out

  • WillisReid

    He’s a starting SS, just not as good as Owings apparently.

  • Tommy med

    Yea yea the athletics need pitching cuz now Parker is out for the season. Doesn’t matter. Don’t even bother calling the Mets cuz you’ll get a crap, low ball offer. Lowrie, Franklin, Drew, Gregorious, all of them are out there and would be an upgrade and give our defense and lineup a lot more stability. Franklin and Lowrie I would consider huge upgrades. But hey, Sandy is montitering the situation. Aka Jerkin his meat.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I have to agree with you on TDA and Plawecki. I would give either up for Owinings, but not Gregorius. Same with Montero, not for Gregorius. Maybe deGrom and Centeno? Maybe we throw in another lower prospect?

  • mr1313

    You can check it out and get back to me. I don’t care I don’t trade either of those players for Gregorious.

  • WillisReid

    I haven’t been overly impressed with d’Arnaud and If the Mets had to move him to solve SS so be it. I just hate to give up on a guy that was so highly regarded. But at the same time the whole notion that he now has a mechanical flaw is a bit alarming in the wake of the Ike situation. IDK, feeling less confident as April 1 gets closer.

  • Jim Aronsen

    sign him up !!!

  • Captain America

    Knowledge is power

  • MetsFan90

    The Mets are not trading TDA for a guy like Didi. I mean come on guys I know we are all yearning for a new SS not named Tejada but lets think logically about all this. The Mets are only looking for deals where they do not have to give up much and believe they are getting the better half of the deal which I am completely fine with. Give it some time.

  • omar minayass

    at this point i’d trade ruby tuesday’s for corky miller & an anna benson calendar spread. this team is a morbid disaster.

  • omar minayass

    the good news is once we do find ruben’s replacement he will be flying over free thanks to all the miles jon niese earned the organization this ST.

  • omar minayass

    nothing would please sandy more than to strike a deal with his wet dream, billy beane.

  • omar minayass

    because every one of our pitching prospects is going to be amazing, aren’t you buying into the hype? how can we trade a potential superstar for someone who won’t impact the lineup?

    at this rate of “rebuilding” i can’t even see this team making it out of the 60’s this year.

  • mad met

    Lets face it most of us are content with not going to games untill they field a real playoff caliper lineup

  • Captain America

    Reality vs fantasy

  • Mets Fan in NC

    Stanton and cash for the Mets trash

  • omar minayass

    exactly…you can’t just rebuild a team by holding back all possibility of risk. sure some of these kids may be legit in the majors, but the majority of them will not be anything more than a serviceable major league arm for their careers, & even that is a stretch.

    you cannot just sit on the sidelines & watch other risk takers continue to make the effort to win today & not tomorrow.

    this is a gutless operation of a baseball franchise.

  • Captain America

    Keep Harvey Syndergaard wheeler gee Matz

  • Dan Feinstein

    Can we please go after Addison Russell?
    I would not blink at offering Montero, Mejia/deGrom/Fulmer, and Rosario/MDD
    even tho A’s would want something more like Thor and Walters/Leatherstich
    or Wheeler and MDD

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I wouldnt guve either for gregorious, not sure what they want for him, but i for one dont want him. Id offer duda lol

  • Destry

    A’s aren’t trading Russell. They are very high on Addison. We would have to give up way to much.

  • Destry

    Lowrie is actually better suited for 2B. He really wouldn’t be an upgrade defensively. Offensively yes, but he has only had 2 good seasons, and has been terrible in every other year. He is also a free agent after the season.

  • Destry

    Gregorious is a perfect fit. He plays really good defense. He bats left handed and had really good numbers vs RHP, which would allow Tejada to have some sort of value playing against LHP. It would be a really nice get, and great fit for the team, much like adding Stephen Drew and hanging onto our pitching. Our pitchers are dropping like flies.

  • Destry

    Just like every one of these prospect SS are gonna be All-Stars and not complete flops

  • Destry

    Gregorious has more bat than you are giving him credit for. He hits RHP particularly well.

  • Destry

    His power speed combo that includes zero HRs in his debut last season, and inflated numbers hitting in Reno in AAA?

  • mad met

    I could live with that if they got a guy like encarcion at first

  • mad met

    I know thats the correct move why would they do that…

  • mad met

    I get not wanting to give up on Travis and they won’t at this point.the pitchers are used to throwing to him . But we do have to give to get and Didi is a nice fit for our style of baseball

  • Andrew Herbst

    I would like to get a guy like Encarcion.

  • omar minayass

    that makes no sense. what i am saying is the mets think they have a crystal ball. and in that ball, all of our minor league arms are studs, and pretty much every single available SS propsect is a dud.

  • Destry

    Its just as likely the SS we trade for is a flop, as it is one of our young SPs. That’s the point you are missing.

  • lareplus

    Not going to happen but I bet we could swing a trade for Herrera and he’s looking pretty good right now. .

  • omar minayass

    so let’s just stick with ruben tejada?

  • ro7a

    and a major upgrade

  • The-rock-man

    Lets make a deal! His statistics are better then Drew and anything else we can afford. Degrom, Tejada, Ike, at this point Niese! Lets fix this SS issue for years to come. His statistics are good for 1st year shortstop, heck he even draws walks. Plug him in the 8th hole for now and let him play.

  • Chuck

    Beat me to it … LOL

  • Agee’s Catch

    Gee for Didi, straight up.

  • Benny

    Can’t do it until June 15th then…

  • Benny

    Looks like we’re opening up the season with tejada, sigh…

    Adam Rubin:

    “Flores should see ample time at the position during the remainder of
    camp. He also will see action there with Triple-A Las Vegas in April, as
    the Mets search for viable options at the position.”

    “If Tejada were to falter in April and Flores looks passable at shortstop
    in the Pacific Coast League, the Mets would consider having Flores take
    over the role in-season. Still, that seems like a long shot.”

  • Agee’s Catch

    No baseball today. sniff!!

  • Biggle Boy

    With Niese always having a surgical prep room reserved in his name, dicey Dice-K as your #5, Mejia never having thrown 100 innings in any season, and Long Man Lannan tossing junk, the Mets can’t afford to give up any “MLB ready starting pitcher.”

    That’s why we need to keep Montero, Thor (of course), and Matz. I’d rather start Flores at SS, and keep Q on the team for defense in late innings. Or sign Drew.

  • mets2014

    100% with you

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Not excited by Didi at all.

  • depressed Mets fan

    I’m not big on Gregorious but anything is better than Tejada. I rather watch Rey-O or Tim Bogar come out of retirement than watch Tejeda. The fact that Tejada is looking more and more like the opening day SS and that either Ike or Duda will be the 1b proves that this ownership group and FO do not care about winning.

  • Agee’s Catch

    Gee is an established starter. We’ve got a lot of young arms to bring up.

  • EzRider

    I’d do one of Verrete or DeGrom and something else for Didi and Thatcher.

  • mets2014

    frees up a little payroll as well

  • Dark HelMet

    Kirk at first base? Are you serious?

  • RyanF55

    They want a MLB ready pitcher, so that takes DeGrom out. I can see them considering a Gee possibly, but I don’t think the Mets can afford to lose a starter right now. Niese is injured, Dice-K can get injured at any time, Lannan has been getting tagged and Mejia is injury prone in his own right. If the Mets refuse to bring any of the young dominant arms up, I can’t see how the Mets can afford to give up someone in their rotation right now….unless they’re willing to bring Syndergaard or Montero up.

  • jaygreen55

    I think perhaps the author is talking up Gregorious’ offensive potential a bit too much:

    The scouting report on the ESPN Fantasy Projection reads:

    A defensive whiz, Gregorius is unfortunately not much with the stick. Sure, he batted .322 in his first 38 games for the Arizona Diamondbacks, but from that point forward, he hit .202/.294/.284 in 65 contests, unable to do much with anything other than pitches left over the middle of the plate. His defense might be valuable enough to the Diamondbacks that he’ll earn the starting shortstop job this spring, and he’s knowledgeable enough of the strike zone — he had a 9.2 percent walk rate in 2013

    Sounds like thew league has figured out what he can’t hit

  • dnotch

    So whats wrong with bringing Montero up if its going to take Gee? And please no dont bring up about super 2 or extra year control…thats FO BS for doing things on the cheap

  • Tommy med

    What’s the deal with Franklin? If were gonna be giving up someone like Gee I rather have Franklin

  • BKMetsman

    Makes no sense for Mets to pony up for Didi unless it’s a minimal price to pay. The names being thrown around for a potential trade should be held onto for a chance at a star player/difference-maker, whether at SS or not. Think Tulo or top prospects like Addison Russell or Javier Baez, or CarGo or Stanton or Tavares or Polanco. These are the names/similar quality that Mets should be shooting for, whether at trading deadline or next off-season. And if they wanted to address 1B (instead of waiting on or possibly unloading Dom Smith), they should engage KC in talks for Hosmer. We have become too starved for upgrades, no matter how minimal, risky, mediocre because of the offensive ineptitude of this team. With the stockpiling of pitching talent that this front office has achieved in the last couple of years, I think the aim should be higher. We deserve it and likely can accomplish it. The power staff will still be the anchor for years to come. Opening Day 2015 is the first day of truly contending IMO.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Didi is the exact definition of “making a move for the sake of making a move,” something Sandy will never do. He’s a marginal upgrade that would cost more in prospects than he’d give us.

    That said, they have to do something at some point. It sounds like Collins plans to use Flores a lot at SS the rest of the spring and put him in AAA at SS every day as the eventual call up if Tejada falters by the end of April/early May.

  • Peter

    You guys are freaking nuts wanting to trade Gee for Didi. For argument sake and most likely reality here is a scenario. Mets pitching prospect gain more value this year in the minors and some in the majors. Mets play well this year a take a step. Harvey comes back for 2015 and Mets are ready to contend. They have Neise and Gee as a trade peice,. They keep one and trade one with pitching prospect, Plawecki, and say Flores for a player like Cargo or Encarnarcion, or Chris Davis. Then they sign Lowrie or Astrubal as a free agent. By trading Gee for Didi for a quick fix you eliminating a big trade chip for a superstar hitter which is what the mets need. They trade for one and sign a shortstop. If Gee pitches the way he did last year from June to September your selling way to low on a controllable number 3 to number 2 starter, (yes a number two, 7th best era from June to September would be a number two to me if he pitches that way all year) that goes for 50 to 60 mill on the open market. They could even trade Neise and keep Gee. I doubt Alderson is dumb enough to move Gee for Didi and is thinking more along those lines.

  • Sylow59

    Meaning a day of endless Ike and Tejada posts. 🙁

  • Taskmaster4450

    I have no problem with Flores going to AAA for a month or so and playing SS everyday to get readjusted to the position. I would prefer to see more of him in ST to know where there is a chance he can man the position. If there is, a lot of problems are solved. A) the mets find a place for Flores and B) eliminate a weakness in their IF.

  • Just give them that loud mouth, Harvey and let’s move on.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Quick fixes is exactly what Met fans were conditioned to look for under the Wilpons. If there is a hole, fix it now. Looking at the bigger picture was never in the cards.

    So unless Cargo or Stanton is available because of a fire sale (ala Delgado and Santana) the Mets normally do not have a chance of getting those guys because they give all their prospects away to fill immediate holes.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Why Franklin?

    A guy who projects as a bat but is weak defensively at SS to the point that many are questioning whether he sticks there.

    Doesnt that describe Wilmer Flores? So why trade when you already have him?

  • Agee’s Catch

    And a day of commentators sniping at each other. This could get ugly.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    If he’s not starting at SS every day, he should be in AAA to start the season. He needs to play, not ride the bench. If Tejada spits the bit like he’s already doing, they’ll have a short leash and Flores will have been manning SS that entire time.

  • $14435385

    A 180-200 inning pitcher with a high 3 ERA is worth more than a defensive SS who can’t hit. They’d have to get more than Gregorius for Gee.

  • Waz0787

    Alderson should call up Oakland and offer Niese, Montero, Fulmer and lara for Russell.

  • DrDooby

    His statistics are better than Drew´s ?
    Not really. Drew is and has been the better bat. Gregorius is the better defender.

    Of course, Gregorius would be under team control for the next 5 years with the next couple at league minimum or modest arbitration costs whereas Drew is more of a shorter term solution.

    In either case, the question is what price has to be paid.
    Is it better to part with the 3rd round pick in the 2014 draft, plus the according pool money + maybe 22 million for two years of Stephen Drew at age 31 and age 32 ?

    Or is it better to part with (young) pitching / prospect(s) for five years of Didi Gregorius in his mid to later 20s ?

    So it obviously depends on the $$$ / years asking price by Drew vs. the talent asking price for Gregorius from the D´backs.

  • What? Herschel Walker isn’t available?

  • Teams aren’t asking for Montero for elite players they are asking for Thor…

  • All rookies have to make adjustments. That’s what separates a Joey Votto from Davis and Duda.

  • CyYout

    A middling veteran pitcher is not a big trade chip. I like Gee and defended him during his awful start last year. Even caught some flak from friends when I kept saying I saw him as a number 3 starter. It could very well be he keeps up his consistency, but that’s his best attribute. There’s no huge upside there and considering the D-backs need someone like him, our young arms movement, and the black hole we’ve had at shortstop since Reyes left, I think it’s selling if not at peak, near it. There are a number of defensive-minded players that learned to be good enough with the stick. Some even made it a strength like Yadier, who you will remember was terrible offensively. Or Ozzie Smith, another shortstop. I’m not saying Gregorious is either of these players, but it doesn’t mean he can’t be better. And even if he isn’t, Rey Ordonez was good enough and a lot of fun to watch. If the Mets want to pay for a top shortstop with a first-round compensation pick after the season or trade for an aging veteran like Asdrubal, they would need to pay anyway, and live this year with Tejada as the everyday shortstop. I just don’t know if they can do that.

  • Waz0787

    We need a SS and he is a premium prospects. combination of three of those should seal the deal.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Why don’t you throw in your first born son and a pint of blood while you’re at it? Colossal overpay.

  • Taskmaster4450

    You do realize prospects are unproven and can fail no matter how highly ranked.

    That being said why would you give up one established major league pitcher and two prospects for a lottery ticket.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I agree…that is the most sensible route.

    Now what are the chances that is the route the Mets follow.

  • RochesterMets

    I still think signing Drew to a two year $24M contract is the best way to go. BUT, if the team doesn’t want to commit to another FA acquisition then making a move for Didi makes sense, IF the price is right. If Niese, Gee or Montero’s names come up you hang up the phone. But Mejia or DeGroom I would be fine with. You add a guy that can be a well above average defensive SS and has potential to be a decent hitter. I admittedly don’t know too much about his hitting ability but a .332 OBP would work in the leadoff spot on this team. Then we can drop the whole EYJ leadoff farce and go with some very solid up the middle D in TDA, Didi and Lagares (with Murphy holding his own).

  • lareplus

    No team will trade a major pitcher for Gregorius and the D Backs HAVE TO replace Corbin. That means that the Mets will be able to land him for a reasonable price.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well, apparently it’s pretty good. I think Rubin wrote about the putting Flores at SS in AAA thing.

  • igotadose

    Any pitcher not named Gee or Wheeler. Any regular not named Wright, d’Arnaud, Granderson or Lagares. Any minor leaguer not named Syndegaard. The rest are available. Do this. 12 days to opening day, no SS, no 1B. Or sign Drew already – he’ll need some reps.

    My guess: nothing changes before opening day.

  • lareplus

    I would like Duda to play every day at first at AAA to regain his stroke. His numbers in the minors were good all the way up. and I think he can be a solid player if he is treated right. . .MDD could be packaged in a trade, leaving depth in the outfield with CY, Granderson, Puello, Brown, EY and Neuwenhuis also available. I would like CY to get traded in mid summer to make room for Puello, who like CY is a right handed batter. Captain Kirk is a lefty.

  • Sylow59

    True dat

  • TexasGusCC

    Gee’s ERA away from Citifield is 4.63. Let’s not confuse him with a top 50 pitcher. Or, even top 60.

  • beers22

    Dice-K or Lannan for Didi. Get it done! I’m joking of course, but in terms of Az.’s need that’s all I’d offer. Gregorius would be a minor upgrade, and ultimately a mediocre SS that everyone would be complaining about by May. I wouldn’t give up any of the other starters, or almost ML ready prospects for him. I like some of the posts on here that are thinking bigger and/or long term. Stop gap, short term moves don’t make sense this year. I’m not saying give up on the season, but don’t sacrifice trade chips or payroll for compromised quick fixes because it’s expedient.

  • igotyourbackman

    Already 319 comments so not sure if this was said, but would Colon be a fit? Or is his salary/age too high for the Diamondbacks? Honestly this season is already a loss as far as I can see, so get rid of Colon for a SS and bring up the youth movement… why the hell not?

  • Benny

    He cannot be traded until June 15th.

  • igotyourbackman

    ok thx

  • RyanF55

    Gee’s stock has never been higher. With what’s coming down the pipeline, (Montero, Syndergaard, DeGrom) you’d think he’d be expendable and if you’ve ever dealt with the stock market, you sell high. I’d personally be shocked if Gee replicates last season….but I hope he can obviously.

  • Captain America

    Montero

  • jason bay

    Didi Gregorious for Gee is a deal that we have to do even though it probably screws us for this year pitching wise.

    We’ll just have to deal with it because we haven’t developed any position players in a dozen years.

    1st half: Niese, Wheeler, Colon, Mejia, Matzuzaka, Lannan

    2nd half: Niese, Wheeler, Colon, Mejia, deGrom, Montero, Syndergaard .

    Didi gives us a professional defensive SS with the benefit of being a LH hitter, something we need to get in the lineup and a potential leadoff hitter Vs. RHP.

    If Gee can get him it’s got to be done.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Degrom or Verrett for sure. But they probably would also want Plawecki too. However, if Sandy trades Syndergaard or Montero for Didi, he should rode out on a rail.

  • trevordunn

    Sandy is not doing ANYTHING…Don’t forget THE PLAN….DO NOTHING. Watch SS and 1B burn to the ground and….DO NOTHING…

  • jason bay

    He can’t include Montero or Syndergaard.

    Last year Didi was worth giving up Span for a year of Choo and a supplemental round pick That’s equal IMO to 3 years of an established young pitcher with 3 years of team control.

  • jason bay

    What a DIVA.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    I think the market on Didi has changed. I think he is worth a lot less now, because his rookie numbers were not as high as people expected. Plus, Arizona is dealing from a weak bargaining position. Arizona needs to trade Didi for a SP, the Mets don’t have a similar level of need to trade for Didi.

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    If you trade Gee, how do you propose making up Gee’s 199 IP last year? Can the bullpen handle that increased work load, especially with Lannan in your rotation?

  • Scottymike

    Agreed right here. I think as Mets fans we automatically like to feel like we are the desperate ones. Teams like Arizona and Seattle are the desperate ones, they made major moves and are expected to do good things this year. We are in the driver seat and the guy can be had for a reasonable price.

  • jason bay

    Your still going to have to give Arizona something to make them move and we might not be the only ones they talk to

    This is the best chance we’ve had to get a guy who is going to stick, no question, at SS and being a LH hitter fits us to a tee.

    If Arizona is looking for an accomplished young pitcher who knows how to pitch and has 3 years of team control remaining and hell, we could pay his 3 M this year.

    Hows that for a sweetner?

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    I wouldnt trade anymore then I already proposed. Arizona is looking for a “Major League ready pitcher” not a proven/veteran major league pitcher. IMO Arizona will accept a AAA level prospect ready to start his rookie year. DeGrom having pitched 75 innings competitively at AAA fits that description.

    And Didi ability to hit at the Major League level is not above question. The article raised valid questions about Didi’s production. After all Reuben Tejada hit .284 /.360 his first full year.

  • jason bay

    Waiting until June or July is a great idea unless something shows up beforehand. You can’t force a team to trade us the players we lack so a big part of whether anything can be done is another team’s situation and in Arizona we just may have the right situation.

    If not we’ll have to wait.

  • BehindTheBag

    No way should Flores ever waste away as a backup on our bench. Wherever he is, he needs to play every day.

  • jason bay

    I laid it out above and I said it would hurt us this year but that’s simply part of the cost of getting a good SS, rather than just any SS.

  • Matlack

    Can’t agree with this, JB. Gee’s surplus value prior to FA is substantial. If Didi had a higher ceiling offensively, this would make sense, but moving an established, cost-controlled mid-rotation guy for what MAY turn out to be another Ruben is too risky, IMO. If they’ll take DeGrom, by all means, pull the trigger.

  • RS

    Ed Coleman On the Fan”
    Doesn’t see Flores as a SS, sees him as AAA 2B

  • BehindTheBag

    Gee for Didi, let’s make that move.

  • Guest

    For what it’s worth, Dillon Gee has 2014 WAR projections of 0.6 from Steamer, 0.8 from Oliver, 1.5 from Fans and 0.7 from ZiPS with Oliver’s projected WAR of 2.5 over the remaining three years of team control.

    Didi Gregorius has 2014 WAR projections of 0.7 from Steamer, 3.1 from Oliver, 1.0 from Fans and 1.8 from ZiPS with Oliver’s projected WAR of 15.8 over the remaining five years of team control.

    No single projection is perfect, but studies have shown that aggregate projections are more accurate.

  • CyYout

    vs. RHP: Gregorius, Murph, Wright, Granderson, Duda, CY, Lagares, d’Arnaud
    v. LHP: CY, Lagares, Wright, Granderson, Satin, Murph, d’Arnaud, Gregorius

    EYJ: bench

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Your proposal for starting rotation isnt realistic without assuming a massive IP burden on an already questionable bullpen.

    Niese 143 IP, Colon 190 IP (now off PEDs and 42 yr old in May), Wheeler 100 IP (limited to 150 IP), Mejia 27 IP (limited to 150 IP), Dice K 38 IP, & Lannan 74 IP.

    If the Mets have any hope of reaching 81 wins, they need a steady bullpen. I get that 2014 will not be a playoff year, but should we torpedo the entire season in March for a defensive SS who can hit .250?

  • Raider 1

    In the article it states G hit JUST .252 with 7 dingers – when was the last time we had a SS who could do that & play D. Yeah I know – Reyes!!!!!!!

  • Just_Da_damaja

    so i guess you dont believe in cecchini either ?

  • Raider 1

    Flores NEEDS to play SOMEWHERE & can we just say goodby to Q – Tejeda’s head is blown goodby, & please stop forcing Duda & Davis on us! What ever happened to Dystra? have not heard his name all ST – but he had good yr in minors last yr? & look anyone who has played 2nd, SS or 3rd – can play 1st reasonably well with SOME work – let Flores play there then – see what he can do & hold the place till Smith is ready down the road – would be nice to have to choose between 2 GOOD 1b men instead of 2 bad 1B men!!!!!

  • DrDooby

    Sure, if the Mets offer Syndergaard OR Wheeler AND Flores OR Murphy, Andrus quite possibly could be had.

    But I guess if the plan is to build around Syndergaard & Wheeler, you can´t trade them for a SS.

  • jason bay

    Didi hit .275/.359/.429 Vs. RHP which just so happens to be our Achilles heel and figures to remain as such with young RH hitters in TDA, Lagares, Flores, Puello, Plaweicki, Boyd and Herrera our closest true prospects and Duda-Ike questionable and Murphy a FA after 2015.

    Didi also hit better on the road than he did in Phoenix (BA, OB% and SLG) and he is a quality defender which is job #1 at that position. He handles power pitchers well and is weak against against finese RHP so he is not over matched at the plate and at 24 should improve against the craftier types of pitchers.

    Basically he’s the opposite of RT.

  • DrDooby

    Gregorius is a far, far better defender than Tejada has ever been before, even before it started to deteriorate.

    A Gee for Gregorius deal would seem fair. Though Gee would be a terrible fit for the ballpark in Arizona. Check out Gee´s numbers outside Citifield. As a flyball pitcher, he needs to be on a team with a spacious homepark. Don´t think that he´d fit what Arizona needs.

  • jason bay

    Why do you say that?

    Cecchini won’t be up here till mid season 2017 at best so what do we do in the meantime? In addition most teams make sure they have a few options at every position. That’s been a critical failing of the Wilpon Method and the reason we have put guys like Murphy, Evans, Duda, GMJ, Francouer, Feliciano, Ledee, Nixon, Reed and Carter in the OF, Schneider, Santos, Barajas and Thole behind the plate and Cora, Martinez, Valdez ect at SS.,

    No competition, no depth in case of injury, no options, nothing to trade, ect ect ect.

  • harmony55

    For what it’s worth, Dillon Gee has 2014 WAR projections of 0.6 from Steamer, 0.8 from Oliver, 1.5 from Fans and 0.7 from ZiPS with Oliver’s projected WAR of 2.5 over the remaining three years of team control.

    Didi Gregorius has 2014 WAR projections of 0.7 from Steamer, 3.1 from Oliver, 1.0 from Fans and 1.8 from ZiPS with Oliver’s projected WAR of 15.8 over the remaining five years of team control.

    No single projection is perfect, but studies have shown that aggregate projections are more accurate.

  • jason bay

    That is a massive fly in the ointment but if they want a MLB ready pitcher that’s all we can offer them. Niese is a health risk, Wheeler, Montero and Syndergaard are out. Mejia, deGrom and Gee are what they would have to choose between.

  • trevordunn

    Fatcessa ripping the mets a new one right now saying what a mess they are…love it

  • WilponsNeed2Go

    Assuming he maintains this level of performance, he is an upgrade over RT. But why should we trade Gee for him?

  • BehindTheBag

    I figured you would love it.

  • jason bay

    Fair enough Matlack but my feelings are that Gee is a #3 only because he pitches at Citi Field. If he pitched elsewhere he’d be a #5 and Didi is an excellent defender which is where it begins and ends at the SS position.

    His LH bat fits our lineup quite nicely too and you know you have to give up something to get something and six years of deGrom is quite possibly more valuable than three years of Gee and with Gee most likely due 18 M over the next 3 years and deGrom costing 1.5 M we might be able to afford an upgrade elsewhere for the next two years like in the bullpen for example.

    Gee Home: .244/.311/.383, 3.20:ERA

    Gee Road: 268/.330/.423, 4.64 ERA

  • Anthony

    Francesca has a man crush for harvey

  • Matlack

    I agree with the first point. When I said he may be another Ruben, I meant that his low offensive ceiling may force the Mets into exactly the same position they are in now-looking for an upgrade at SS. It’s a non-zero chance.

    Yes, I’m aware of Gee’s home-road splits, and they’re material. Park factors shouldn’t dictate what we deem fair value is for Gee, however. If I’m Towers, I’m looking for a different skillset. It was reported that Arizona scouts were raving about Verrett’s sinker.

  • Fonzie

    Dykstra broke his leg over the Winter.

  • Matlack

    Probably true, but even a 5 fetches 10mm per annum in FA these days….I think they’ll trade Gee either this season or next off-season anyway, with Montero taking his spot in the rotation.
    But we may be surprised at what he brings back. These market inefficiencies we talk so much about are a moving target; this off-season, it was exorbitant prices for Shortstops which forced the Cards to throw caution to the wind on peralta, in terms of dollars. Next off-season it may be mid to back end established rotation pieces like Gee and Niese, especially with so much injury risk now dominating the headlines.

  • Jgreen

    what about..
    Tejada to TIgers
    Didi to Mets
    Gee or Montero from Mets, some prospect from Tigers to Dbacks

    Tigers need SS but they can’t sign Drew and don’t have SP for Dbacks. Didi was traded with Bauer who has much higher potential than Gee or Montero so I don’t think Dbacks wouldn’t just take one pitcher. And Tejada is still young, its just that we don’t like him 😛 Tigers might be able to fix him back to what he was like in 2012.

  • Wolfmicky21

    Flores will be the starting SS by the end of April, if not sooner. PITB

  • WilponsNeed2Go
  • jason bay

    They got there in different ways though.

    Tejada handles off speed stuff and doesn’t handle fastballs which kills his BA as well as his OB%.

    Didi handles FB’s but not off speed stuff which means a couple things.

    He is more likely to be walked as off speed pitches are more difficult to control AND he is more likely to close the gap through experience on his weaknesses since he is not being physically over matched.

    Plus he is a good defensive SS.

  • Taskmaster4450

    You really think the Tigers would be interested in Tejada?

    I think this is a case of you dumping the Mets garbage on someone else.

  • jason bay

    Well that is a very good point Matlack.

    Gee’s absolute peak value could very well be in July of this year for all we know or he could be hurt and lose half of 2014 and 2015. It’s really impossible to say.

    My feeling on Dillon is that next year and 2016 he would be a 6th starter, long man and an important part of the pitching staff but not more valuable than the long end and defensive replacement of a SS platoon which is where I see Didi, playing about 80% of innings.

    The spot starter-long man is a role that could be filled by Carlos Torres who is under control for two years longer than Gee or by a number of other internal candidates like Mazzoni,,Verrett, Gorski, Matz, Ynoa, Fulmer or acquired on the market where there are many more options than their are for fulltime (or close to it) quality defensive SS’s, especially LH hitting ones which would suit our lineup very well in the upcoming years.

    I think if the guy you like is available at a cost you can live with, you act.

  • jason bay

    Can’t see anyone being interested in Tejada at the moment.

  • metsfan79

    Easy fixes for the mets flores at short sign k morales first and short fixed. Morales is 29 switch hitter 280 20 plus hr guy.
    C.young
    Murphy
    Wright
    Morales
    Grandy
    Wilma flores
    Lagarus
    Tda
    not to shabby actually pretty good

  • Just_Da_damaja

    so you are saying that it will take cecchini 5 years in the minors AT BEST before he is a part of our future?

    …meanwhile Addison Russell, same age as DC…picked one spot before Cecchini is on the verge of being the Oakland SS for 2014…

    Addision is the #7 prospect in baseball

    DC… not so much…

    as a matter of fact,
    Corey Seager, another SS drafted by the Dodgers several slots AFTER DC is ranked the #44 prospect in all of baseball

    Sandy has had 3 drafts and not one of his picks has landed in the top 100 yet.

    just saying

    🙂

  • metsfan79

    Ill kick in some money towards siginh morales

  • metsfan79

    Sorry also cut ike, tejada, save 4 million

  • Whose Sportsblog?

    Didi has a suspect back and solid defense, thus I would say Verrett or DeGrom should be a fair trade. If they want an ML ready pitcher than maybe give them Niese or Gee.

  • Metropolitan

    Hope the D-Backs are not looking for an elite type starter for this Dee Gordon clone,because i will tell you this I would not give up much for this guy at all

  • Biggle Boy

    That … was … great!

  • Bail4Nails

    I’m not falling for this again. Yet another player we are going to talk about for a week, while Tejada remains the Starting SS. I’ve already passed on Opening Day tickets. Sorry Sandy, too late.

  • Biggle Boy

    But Nails that young guy and girl in the SNY Mets TV commercial say you get a free magnet-calendar if you buy tickets! That’s better than a SS, right? LOL

  • omar minayass

    i don’t think any rational fan can say we have too much pitching, but at some point you have field a major leaguer at the other 8 positions. i would argue that we have half of those positions occupied by minor leaguers going into the season.

    what has sandy done that improves the MAJOR league lineup? the truth is nothing, quite honestly.

  • Matlack

    Very fair, JB….we just disagree on Didi, that’s all. We agree on process.

  • jason bay

    Fair enough Matlack,

    Didi at the least gets us our defensively sound SS and along with Lagares and TDA our up the middle defense is sound,

    Wright, Murphy, Granderson and hopefully Puello get it done offensively and someone steps up at 1B and one or both of TDA and Lagares do the same offensively and that should be enough with Harvey, Wheeler, Montero, Syndergard, Mejia, deGrom.

    Shore up the pen with the 14 M saved on Gee over 2015 and 2016 and we should be in good shape with Tovar, Centeno, Plaweicki, Boyd and Herrera in reserve.

  • Matlack

    Yeah, I’d rather see Drew at <2/24, gives us our leadoff guy against RHP, good defense, and abover avg. offensive production. Ruben to spell Drew and Murph vs. LHP to the tune of 30-40 starts, with Chris Young leading off in those games.
    Ike traded, Duda/Satin at 1B, Wright being Wright, and in the OF, Lagares in CF, flanked by CBY and Grandy, and spelled by MdD/Brown.
    Don't want to spend on the bullpen. I'd rather go the Cardinals route and bring in one hard thrower after another as a way to acclimate the young guys to the big leagues. Throw strikes or back to Vegas should be the mantra.
    If all goes well, promote Puello in the Summer after moving CBY for productive assets.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Ehh, I’d say Gregorius has a leg up on Gordon. Gordon don’t have Didi’s defense and Gordon wishes he could at least hit .250.

  • jason bay

    A good plan Matlack but it still leaves SS in flux and is really just kicking the can down the road as well as killing our draft after the first pick but I agree with 99% of it and would do the same with Tejada for Murph and Didi.

    I’m obviously higher on Didi than you are and feel we could get something better than we gave up to get him when Cecchini or Rosario get up and the 3rd rounder might too.

    With Drew we get nothing going forward.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Mets should’ve proposed this before they sent Montero to minor league camp. Afterward, put Murph on the trade market and have Flores play 2B full-time in AAA until Murph is dealt.

    Maybe the Mets could also dump Tejada to Arizona so he can have his fresh start and the Mets acquire Cliff Pennington as their new middle infield backup. As a sub, his career line is .305/.369/.458/.827.

  • Gland1

    Why would that have to be a three way deal? I’m sure they could get Montero for Didi if they wanted to without bringing in the Tigers.

  • peter

    He is a huge trade chip when packaged with others just because of how much he makes for his production!!!!!!!! Plus do you know if this season he does not get even better and up his value????????? I would not want to be the guy who trades him for Didi if he goes on and wins 17 with a 2.8 era,, thats not a good look

  • peter

    Not anymore hopefully

  • Matlack

    Yes, but wouldn’t the value of what we give up exceed, or at least equal, the value of the 3rd rounder and its attendant budget in the draft? Pretty sure the surplus value of a Dillon Gee is worth more, in present value than a 3rd round pick.

    I’m of the belief that past trades Sandy has made were primarily back-fill moves for what the farm failed to produce in the past, but secondarily to compensate for just this situation. So a Dilson Herrera may be rationalized in the context of losing this year’s 3. I know they’re at different levels of development, but I’m looking at organizational assets as somewhat fungible.

    Also, I don’t follow your point on Drew….do we not receive his production, going forward?