Why Strikeouts Are A Big Concern For The Mets

chris-young-baseball-hq-4_3After writing about the high strikeout rates of Ike DavisChris Young and Lucas Duda, I received a question asking why my concern over strikeouts, with the reader saying, “there’s no difference between a strikeout and a soft grounder to second.’’

He couldn’t be more wrong.

First, a strikeout is a non-productive out, but much more can happen on a grounder to second or any other base for that matter, especially with less than two outs.

A grounder to second, or anywhere in the infield, or a fly ball, has the potential to create something positive while nothing can be generated from a strikeout unless the ball gets by the catcher. And, unless R.A. Dickey is pitching, how often does that happen?

A runner can score on a grounder to second. He can’t on a strikeout.

Also, with a soft grounder to second, there’s a chance the ball could get through for a hit or the fielder could muff it for an error or the batter beats it out. Either way, it leads to a base runner and potential run, or if there’s a runner on second or third, it could generate a run.

See the difference?

In addition, a grounder can advance a runner into scoring position.

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When I once asked Davis about his propensity for striking out, he said, “I am a home run hitter. I like to hit home runs. Strikeouts are part of it.’’

Until he changes that attitude, he’ll never be a viable hitter.

I realize times have changed, but to me one of the most incredible statistics in history is that during his 13-year career, Joe DiMaggio hit 361 home runs, but only struck out 369 times.

Arguably, that might be more impressive than his 56-game hitting streak.

Carrying it a step further, last year the Mets struck out 1,384 times, or 8.5 times a game. Translated, they went a third of the game without making contact. Add to that Chris Young (148 K Avg/162 ) and Curtis Granderson (159 K Avg/162 ) who struck out 195 times in his last full season in 2012.

Still wonder why I think it’s a big deal?

 

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  • Metsaholic

    Darn right it’s a big deal! Oh for the days of the 2 strike chokeup on the bat, a la Rusty Staub. I hate strikeouts!

  • technically yes, there is a greater likelihood that something positive comes of a weak grounder to 2nd than a K. However, that likelihood really isn’t that great and if 30+ HR power comes at the cost of more Ks vs dribblers to short, yes please. Every time.

  • Metsaholic

    No please. Give me a team of 15 Hr contact hitters over a team of 1,900 K’s per year guys any day.

  • now if we’re talking about deep flyball outs, that’s a different story

  • oleosmirf

    But a fly out or ground that does not yield an advancement, is exactly the same as a strikeout (which is what the questioner probably meant)

    There is also a chance that the catcher drops the ball and is unable to throw him out at 1B and a ground out or fly out could also turn into a double play whereas a strikeout is only going to double up a runner that was in motion.

    You would need statistical analysis to show the historical values of what’s more likely to hurt the team, but I don’t have that information.

  • why? I’d like a few power threats in my lineup. It changes how the pitcher works. It gives the guys ahead of them better pitches to hit.
    A groundout is better than a K. A flyball out is better than both. Given a choice between a .250 hitter who never strikes out vs a .300 hitter who strikes out 25% of the time, which do you choose?

  • Metsaholic

    Look, having one or 2 guys on your team that can hit 30+, but K 150+ times is one thing. Having a team full of guys who K 150+ with only one of those guys even sniffing 30 is another.

  • exactly. It is entirely situational. We all know the frustration of watching a 1 out K with a runner on 3rd. Outside of that scenario or the possibility of a runner advancing on a grounder to the IF, there’s very little difference.

  • RyanF55

    Strikeouts can be somewhat of a relative statistic. If the team hits for power, they will likely have higher SO numbers….but if runs are being driven in consistently, it’s not the end of the world. Last year the Mets were 4th most in the MLB in SOs with 1384….yet just 4 spots away were the WS Champion Red Sox, who struck out 8th most with 1308. Even ahead of the Mets in SOs, at 3rd most, were the NL division champion Braves. Striking out doesn’t necessarily mean the team doesn’t produce, but I agree that obviously a strike out is the least productive out. It’s what the hitters do around those SOs that’s the difference. 5 of the top 10 teams in strikeouts in 2013 made the playoffs (Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Boston, Cleveland, Cincinnati) Stikeouts mean more aggressive hitters…if those hitters are good enough, SOs can be overcome.

  • Metsaholic

    A guy who never K’s is not likely to be a .250 hitter. He’s also likely to have a high OBP since he has a good eye. I just think there has been two much placed on getting a “power hitter” as opposed to finding a hitter.

  • What do you think happens more in a game. a typical fielding error on a ball in play, or a batter advancing on a third strike dropped by the catcher as you mention?

    You don’t really need any analysis performed to determine what hurts the team more. Strikeouts hurt the team more than balls in play. That is a historical fact.

  • well now we’ve made it a lot more specific. Yeah, striking out 180 times a season while batting .225 isn’t ideal. However, if Grandy can hit 35 out, we’ll take it because that’s why he was signed.

    CG’s K numbers spiked when he joined the Yankees. He’s struck out a bunch in the past but it became more consistent when he went to Boogeydown. Hopefully he changes his approach at Citi where jacking one out isn’t gonna happen every 10 ABs

  • mets2014

    I wonder how many of those Ks come with no one on base? IMO a K is an epic fail with man on third and less than 2 out…drives me crazy…how many times do you see a weak grounder to third, though…the sacrifice fly is a lost art

  • Metsaholic

    You made your point well. And that is the key isn’t it? “If those hitters are good enough”

    Still, given the stadium the Mets play most of their games, I wish they would worry less about power and find guys who can hit and play defense. You don’t need a 30 HR hitter at 1st.

  • besides the point. We’re debating the merits of a weak groundout vs a K. There isn’t much of a difference.

  • so friggin frustrating

  • Metsaholic

    Actually there is, given the examples suggested in the original post.

  • mets2014

    1st and 3rd nobody out…pitcher up…would you rather a ground ball or K?

  • You mentioned strikeouts are relative if team hits for power. But you cited both the Red Sox and Mets strikeout stats and not the power stats.

    Boston – 853 Runs (1st), Mets 619 (23rd)

    Boston – 178 HR (6th), Mets 130 (25th)

    Boston – .446 SLG (1st), Mets .366 (29th)

    Strikeouts are a problem for the Mets and they are very relevant especially when they added two hitters that have each ranked in Top 3 in strikeouts two or more times each and average 150 K+ per season.

  • examples which aren’t even of the once a game frequency

  • Metsaholic

    Ground out scores the runner at 3rd. K, leaves the situation ripe for a DP. Get that run home is the priority, not gambling on a big inning.

  • Benny

    Ground ball, but it really depends on the situation, like who’s on third and first.

  • If you asked that question to 30 managers and 30 GMs all 60 of them would say groundball.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    You can live with the strikeouts if it also comes with power and RBIs. Look at ATL and BOS. Strikeouts all over but tons of runs and power.

  • mets2014

    I imagine it would depend on the game situation…say it is the bottom of the ninth and you are down one run and you have no pinch hitters?

  • IndianaMet

    Ground ball will produce a run in exchange for 2 outs. Its not the ideal result, but it is a run scored.
    A K will produce an out, nothing more, nobody advances, nobody scores.

  • mets2014

    could result in an out at the plate…would rather have next hitter coming up with one out…that’s just me

  • Metsaholic

    You’re playing at home with no outs, 1st and 3rd. Ground ball, gets you the tie right there. Next guy up, HR. Game over.

  • IndianaMet

    Is Robbie Cano the guy jogging out of the box and down the line on this soft grounder to second base?

  • Benny

    ” Next guy up, HR. Game over.”

    LMAO! It’s that easy, huh?

  • gameball

    I’m not going to try to support this with stats, but doesn’t it seem—just by observation—that high strikeout guys are the ones who lunch up on mistakes and on bad pitchers, and are handled more easily by good pitchers, the kind of pitchers they’re likely to see when the game’s on the line?

  • mets2014

    ground ball to pitcher or 3rd can get an out at the plate though

  • skyhappysal

    I agree 100%.
    Sadly in the Mets case strikeouts are more similar to weak ground outs because the result is the same when the bases are empty – except in the incident of fielder error.
    At least with a strikeout we have forced the pitcher to throw at least 3 pitches…

  • Metsaholic

    Of course not. It’s not even likely. But the point is that the advantage is to the home team, and given the described scenario, the home team should look to the first opportunity to tie the game.

  • IndianaMet

    Bottom of the ninth with no available pinch hitters…that means Collins is the manager!

  • mets2014

    so you agree it could happen? lol

  • IndianaMet

    Yes! But only during a day game on Tuesday in July.

  • gameball

    This team could set a league-record for K’s.

  • TexasGusCC

    Three years ago, the Diamondbacks had this hitting philosophy. Led by our own Young, Justin Upton, Goldschmidt, Montero, Reynolds, and several left fielders, they figured that striking out wasn’t that big a deal. Well, notice how many players are gone from that team. When you can’t hit the ball, you cannot be productive.

  • SRT

    OT:

    Per Rubin:
    Parnell, returning from surgery to address a herniated disk in his neck,
    injured a quadriceps muscle covering first base during a drill
    Thursday. He was not outdoors with teammates for Friday’s morning
    stretching, but pitching coach Dan Warthen said: “Everyone thinks it’s
    very, very mild. He wanted to throw today.”

    Sigh……

  • gameball

    Notice how every World Series there is some role player who steps up and becomes the hero? That player is always a low strikeout guy.

  • mets2014

    yeah, ideally you want a contact hitter coming off the bench, since he gets less opportunities…a player getting 4 plate appearances per game can strikeout 3 times, but get the game winning hit at his last at bat

  • Ike’s K’s are not a product of him being a slugger. If he was able to manage that no one would care about the K’s. His K’s are a product of sucking.

  • mad met

    The number of k’s this team is gonna have could break records .. hopefully more on the our pitching side 🙂 little optomism out of a pesimist

  • TheWizard7

    You get what you pay for

  • guest

    If colon is the hitter then it is two tag plays at the plate.

  • It also leads to more double plays.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Ask Atlanta about strikeouts. They had as many as the Mets and won 96 games. KC had the fewest and didn’t win squat. You can deal with strikeouts if you’re also productive when you do make contact.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Atlanta had as many as the Mets and won 96 games. KC had the fewest and didn’t win squat. You can deal with strikeouts if you’re also productive when you do make contact.

  • Yeah just about to make the comment about the Braves. They were 4th in runs per game and 1st in Ks.

    The team with the least Ks in the NL were the Giants and they scored 10 more runs than the Mets last year.

  • Also in the NL the 3 teams with the lowest ks were the three leaders in Double Plays.

  • gameball

    Just seems to me like the pesky contact guys—the Walt Weisses and Craig Counsells and David Freeses—have equal (if limited) success against ALL pitchers, whereas the all-or-nothing hitters are disproportionately vulnerable to the better pitchers that they see in game situations.

  • Showurface!

    Davis, Granderson, and Chris Young all SO because of the power potential they all bring. Davis has an advantage of walking more than the other two. Granderson has history of hitting a lot homeruns and driving in runs so you can live with the K’s. Chris Young has hit for 20+ homeruns in the past a number of times. Davis has hit 20 or more homers in the past. It’s only a bigger deal if you don’t have any power.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Right. It was the same as when people were worried the Yankees hit too many home runs. Win your games and it doesn’t matter.

  • metstastic

    It depends on the game situation. You want a big bopper up that might strike out a lot but you are down by 2 runs.

  • cjr45

    Royals won 86 games that is not exactly squat.

  • metstastic

    It’s a problem for the Mets last season because they had no power. The two hitters the Mets added have power.. so it’s a bit different.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    True, but it’s not playoffs.

  • sperry

    Good thing the Mets have plenty of players who are product…oh that’s right

  • cjr45

    You never said anything about playoffs you just said they did not win squat which was not true.

  • metstastic

    Ok. So you would rather have a team full of 15 HR contact hitters over a team with 30 HR hitters with 1,900 Ks. Sign me up for the latter any day!

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    That’s a different conversation.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Okay. Calm down. I know what I meant.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Carrying it a step further, last year the Mets struck out 1,384 times, or 8.5 times a game. Translated, they went a third of the game without making contact.

    Add to that Chris Young (148 K Avg/162 ) and Curtis Granderson (159 K Avg/162 ) who struck out 195 times in his last full season in 2012.

    Still wonder why I think it’s a big deal?”

    1– Interesting enough the Atlanta Braves who had the BEST RECORD in the NL EAST and dominated the division start to finish in 2013 struck out “1,384 TIMES” the same amount of times as the Mets last year.

    2– You mention Granderson and Chris Youngs alarming strike out rate(K/per 9)…Well were you complaining that Marlon Byrd was unprodcutive last year with his Extremely high K-rate and extremely low BB-rate??? NOPE, like others you werent…you were praising Byrd.

    So here is a little look at where we were last year and what we will have in 2014 is it an improvement or a regression.

    2013 Mets Corner Outfield

    Marlon Byrd: 27K%……5BB%(2013 Percentages as a Met)
    Lucas Duda: 26K%….14BB%(2013 Percentages as a Met)

    2014 Mets Corner Outfield(Projected)

    Chris Young: 23K%….10BB%(Career percentages)
    Granderson: 23K%…..10BB%(Career percentages)

    So by the looks above at those stats it seems like we “IMPROVED” in that category….As strange as that sounds.

    FYI The Joe Dimaggio days are long gone….We are in the era where we have specialized pitchers whom come into games in the 6th,7th,8th and 9th innings. Dimaggio and others of his time didnt have to face a FRESH ARM throwing 95mph+ Reliever whom was throwing w/max effort with a sick breaking ball or Loogy(for left handed hitters) who specialized in getting Left handed hitters out. DiMaggio and the players of his time usually faced 1pitcher a whole game, 2 at MOST.

    The game has changed drastically. That and Dimaggio was the cream of the crop in his era…We still have guys who have that ability in todays game to hit a lot of homers and not strike out alot…Albert Pujols being one of them his numbers arent as close as JoeD’s but Pujols avg’s only 69K’s per season which is Phenomenal in this era of baseball where EVERYONE can play(race, creed, nationality)…the BEST OF THE BEST not just Caucasians. 😉

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I must be sick….I admitted liking a couple Alderson moves yesterday and today im agreeing with you.

    Got to go see my Doc…I might be dying lol

  • Man what a great opening. Great job on the stats too.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’m concerned for you, Leroy. Go get checked out.

  • coyote521

    Good article, John, and excellent points.

    Unfortunately, the philosophy du jour among front office people and many coaches these days is the wrong headed idea that strikeouts justify hr’s and that productive outs, much like stolen bases, are over rated.

    Players happily buy into this philosophy because power means bread.
    As ralph kiner said, “home run hitters drive cadillacs”.

    But when it comes to winning games, the guy who makes contact consistently and helps build runs with maybe 9 or 10 hr’s , is contributing a lot more than the guy who hits 25 hr’s but also strikes out 150 times.

  • Jason Bay agrees with this statement.

  • Got it. Aoki is more valuable than Jay Bruce.

  • RyanF55

    Well that just furthers my point…if a team hits for power (as the Red Sox obviously have) SOs mean little. If CY and Granderson can hit between 40-60 home runs combined, their strike outs would be surmountable. The Mets issue is that they don’t hit for power, not that they strike out a lot.

  • RyanF55

    Good point…I guess we can simply replace the word ‘power’ with
    ‘production’…as long as the team produces, strike outs aren’t the end-all stat.

  • RyanF55

    I totally agree…..SO’s only matter if the team doesn’t hit for power. The Red Sox and Braves were right with the Mets in SOs last year, they just had guys that could drive the ball over the wall or drive in runs. SOs are not an end-all statistic.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Thank GOD…Chris Davis is not a Met….

    Who needs a guy who strikes out 199 times in one season. Having him on this team would ruin us…Ichiro Suzuki was more valuable last year o_O

    (Pure Sarcasm)

  • Fast Eddie

    Indeed, it will be interesting to watch the performance this season of Davis, CYoung and Granderson. All three have a tendency to strike out a lot while hitting the long ball. Curiously enough, Ike appears to have developed a keen eye at the plate, which leads to walks and a fairly comfortable OBP. The same applies to Duda. Ks are acceptable only if they are accompanied by extra-base hits, preferably HRs.

    I can’t wait for the on-field competition to begin. Will any of these guys be able to make an adjustment? Or will it simply be more of the same old, same old?

  • “Add to that Chris Young (148 K Avg/162 ) and Curtis Granderson (159 K Avg/162 ) who struck out 195 times in his last full season in 2012.”

    Also then add that Chris Young (24 HR 74 RBI Avg/162 ) and
    Curtis Granderson (30 HR 83 RBI Avg/162 ) who hit 43 HR 106 RBI in his last full season in 2012.

    Strikeouts minus the production is a concern but isn’t the idea to look at also what the Mets are trying to get for any added strikeouts as well?

  • I agree. Another difference is that I can go up to the plate and strike out while it is highly unlikely I’d ever hit a soft grounder off major league pitching. These guys are paid too much to do what I can do.

  • Man, that hurt. You go around just ripping bandages off in your free time don’t you? 🙂

  • Martin

    Team strikeout totals are meaningless. Teams with better offenses have more at bats and more strikeouts. Never use counting stats, use rate stats.

    Also ignore strikeouts, the person who said the thing about soft grounders was right, and was probably me.

  • Martin

    Better teams have more strikouts it’s because they are batting more guys. Counting strikeouts is stupid.

  • 2aSupport

    Less likely to cause a double play with a K. So it’s a double edged sword. #Boom ##Mindblown

  • mets4lyfe

    More contact = more hits = higher OBP

    by ‘contact’, I don’t mean weak flails at pitches just for the sake of making contact. Solid contact.

    so, yes, there is a difference between a K and a groundout to 2B.

  • jaygreen55

    Can’t hit into a double play if you strike out. Nothing kills a promising inning than a ground ball to short or second with runners on first and second. Something both Ike and Duda are prone to do

  • mad met

    Ted williams just flipped

  • mad met

    Did any of you watch ike davis the last few years

  • Martin

    You are missing the point. A team that gets on base and has a good offense will send more players to bat, and can have lots of k even though they k at a low rate. So team k totals are useless, and in fact sometimes indicate a good offense.

  • MiqueMetsFan

    Wow. Great job. The numbers don’t lie. Numbers affect results in a good way or a bad way. Mets batters need to try to stay in as much hitters counts as possible. They need to know when to be aggresive and when to let a pitcher dig his own hole.

    Some batters are prone to have high OBP and just aren’t. The Mets however are trying to train their batters to have a higher OBP but in some cases some players will never acheive that….eg. E. Young.

  • mad met

    Your missing the point .you said good offence. Ike davis chris young tehada duda a rookie catcher who always hurt and a youn cf with the weight of the world on him is hardly a good offence …. i would have been fine with grandy and maybe even young or young jr. IF SS OR FIRST BASE WAS FIXED. This offence is not playoff caliper so what are we talking about .another step closer great so this year is another punt fine just say that then so i can enjoy me summer and not smash my @*$&!/ TV

  • peter

    Numbers do not lie, Braves where tied for 1st in the N.L in strikeouts(with the Mets) and 3rd in all of baseball. But they where 4th in runs scored in the N.L and 13th in runs scored in all of baseball. LOL

  • metsman

    When one of our hitters is struggling and they come to the plate I find myself hoping they strike out so they don’t hit into a double play. It’s what made Jason Bay so annoying. So I think it’s very easy to oversimplify this issue.

  • RS

    There are still only 27 outs in the game, per team, no matter how many guys come up to the plate…

  • Fonzie

    Holy Shiznit I agree with LeroyBrown! Everybody quick, buy a Powerball ticket.
    LMAO!!!

  • Fonzie

    If the Mets struggle to score runs this year it will have more to do with the inability to get on base, not high strikeout totals. Teams that get on base at a high rate and strike out at a high rate score runs at a high rate more so than a team that gets on base at a low rate and puts the ball in play.

  • Fonzie

    Get on base at a high rate and the strikeout totals don’t hurt as much as you think. Have a low team on base percentage and a low steam strikeout total and you’ll be among the teams with the fewest runs scored.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Carmen,

    It is true, it is about having good hitters. If the Mets had more good hitters it would not matter so much about their strikeouts. We tied with Atlanta for the league lead but the Braves have a potent batting order so they are looked at in terms of a team that scores a lot but also strikes out a lot.

    But with Mets it is different. We have a lineup so full of holes that tying with Atlanta for the lead in strikeouts only makes the potential for scoring runs worse whereas with the Braves it makes little impact on their ability to do so.

    John went over the obvious scenarios of what a ball put in play can create but in addition it also brings the fielders into play and anything can happen. One can bobble a ball, let it go through his legs, throw it away or let a simple pop-up pop out of his glove like we saw with Louis Castillo. The wind can play havoc on an ordinary pop up as well and thus blow away from a fielder as well.

    Yet this was what I found too much frustrating last year. How many times with a runner on third and less than two outs did we see the infield play back conceding the run and the Met batter struck out? Quite often. We were virtually being given a run for the asking and couldn’t come through.

    So it’s not the strikeouts as you say, but that the Mets with their anemic hitting cannot afford to add to that “unproductive outs” that waste opportunities to scratch out runs of which strikeouts do.

    For besides being tied for the league in strikeouts and eleventh in run scoring and near the bottom in batting average and OBP, the Mets were also fifth in the league in runners left on base. Had they put more balls in play, some of those runners could have scored for the reasons John mentioned as well as those I just mentioned about fielding miscues and weather conditions.

    So if we had more than two starters in our potential 2014 lineup with more than 200 at bats and a batting average above .256, then we could live with the strikeouts. But even the addition of Curtis does not offset this problem. While his added power is going to help account for more runs driven in which will look great for his own personal figures his low batting average is not going to account for him getting on base to score so many runs for us as well or even keeping rallies alive to score others.

    So the strikeouts are a glaring problem to a glaring problem and that’s a lot to be glaring at us.

  • mad met

    Lol in order to get on base the best way is to not make an out. Either way you wanna say it this line up sucks and will not make the playoffs .

  • mad met

    Lol the best way to get on base is to not make an out…say it any way u want this line up sucks and they will not be a playoff team . And I’m getting tired of watching them lose and not care. Losing is not ok

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LoL…Thats a 1st

    maybe the Aztecs were right and just a year or so off lol

  • Andrew Doris

    I’ve seen far more soft grounders turned into double plays than I have seen them drive in RBI’s or go past for an error. I’ve also seen them turned into fielders’ choices much more than I’ve seen them move runners’ over. Sacrifice fly’s are productive outs, but that’s about it.

    Also, strikeouts generally require the pitcher to throw more pitches. Grounding out on an 0-1 count requires the pitcher to throw two pitches. Striking out on a 2-2 count requires him to throw 5. Over the course of the game, making the pitcher work to strike you out tires his arm and gets him pulled earlier, which enables offenses to feast on journeyman middle relievers in the 6th and 7th innings. Sandy Koufax once famously said “I became a good pitcher when I stopped trying to make them miss the ball and started trying to make them hit it.” He recognized that the best starting pitchers in the game are those who pitch to contact, instead of those who pitch for strikeouts. So wouldn’t that logic also apply in reverse, such that the best batters in the game are those who don’t give up easy outs, but make the pitcher work?

    And finally, your idea that it could get through for a hit is flawed, because if so it would factor into OPS, which obviously the front office is considering heavily. OPS is a good metric of offensive value, and lots of high OBP players combined with powerful players to drive them in is a consistent way to score runs. Small ball is not, and not something to build your team around. I’ll take my walks, homers and strikeouts, thanks.

  • Andrew Doris

    You are wrong.

  • Andrew Doris

    Yeah, I mean you’re normally meaner than a junk-yard dog!

  • giovannimacaroni

    you make an intelligent case.

  • Fonzie

    The lineup might suck or it might be pretty decent if the vets play up to their norms and a couple of the younger guys breakout but that wasn’t the point. You keep on harping on strikeouts and I’m just stating a fact. Just because a team strikes out a lot doesn’t mean it’s a bad offense. Plenty of good teams make the playoffs and strike out a ton. The Mets just happen to have a lot of guys who couldn’t hit last year. The Braves struck out the same number of times as the Mets. It’s about talent. Never said losing was okay. Everybody is tired of them losing.

  • I agree BBLB. Balance is what is needed. It’s nice to have an Ichiro but you still need guys like Delgado or Bruce.

  • RyanF55

    I totally agree….my point is strikeouts only matter significantly when you have a lineup that cant hit for power, drive in runs and hit the ball out of the park. The Mets don’t have those guys, so their SOs kill them because they don’t get that go-ahead 3 run home run, ever.

  • Thanks for fleshing this out John. This is one of the saber things I cannot get behind. Every out is not just an out. There’s a reason why baseball has conceptualized and valued productive outs.