Sandy Alderson: Unlikely Mets Acquire Another Major Free Agent

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February 13

Sandy Alderson told reporters today in St. Lucie, that it is unlikely that he acquires another major free agent this offseason.

It’s now one of those cases where you have to do the math.

A Drew signing seems very unlikely at this point and it’s not as if the Mets were ever really that close.

February 12

Sandy Alderson said Tuesday afternoon that the New York Mets have the money to sign shortstop Stephen Drew “under the right circumstances.’’

An opt-out after one year is not one of those circumstances. Neither is Drew’s reported asking price of $15 million a year for a career .264 hitter. I don’t care how good a glove he flashes.

In addition to his contractual demands, there are other reasons why Alderson shouldn’t feed the speculation.

Just say, “No, we don’t have an interest in Drew.’’ He can always change his mind if something happens to Ruben Tejada.

Alderson said he’s happy with Tejada’s off-season commitment to getting in shape by attending a fitness camp in Michigan.

Two years ago Tejada had a good season in the first year without Jose Reyes. Now, Tejada might never equal Reyes’ offensive potential, but his .289 average and .333 on-base percentage in 2012, certainly is good enough to believe there’s a chance for more.

The Mets soured on Tejada because of his attitude and performance last year, which ended with him fracturing his leg. Alderson said upgrading shortstop was an off-season priority, but the prices for Drew and Jhonny Peralta excessive.

Although Alderson said Drew was affordable, it doesn’t make him a wise purchase, especially for a team on the build. Teams not expected to win don’t invest that kind of money on an average hitting shortstop. They do if he’s the missing piece, but the Mets need more than a few pieces.

The Mets are pointing to 2015, and Drew would be gone by then if they give him the opt-out.

If 2014 is simply a transition year, the Mets are better off giving Tejada this season and finding out what they have in him – after all, he’s 24 and Drew is 30.

The Mets can build around Tejada. As their roster is currently comprised, they can’t build around Drew.

Save the money for something else, perhaps for a missing piece at the trade deadline if this season exceeds all expectations.

Thoughts from Joe D.

John, why don’t you tell us how you really feel about Drew? Actually, you’re preaching to choir and I’ve never saw the fascination with such a mediocre player who spends way too much time on the disabled list.

As I’ve been hammering since the offseason began, give Tejada another chance and if it don’t work out, you have a better group of free agent shortstops on the market next offseason.

I’m tired of hearing that the reason we should go hard after Drew is because he’s an upgrade over Tejada. Guess what? Even Tejada is an upgrade over last season’s Tejada. And the kid’s been busting his butt since the season ended. I’ll take my chances and hope that the 2012 version shows up in 2014. Remember when Met fans were all giddy and coming to the park holding signs that read, “Jose who?”

The kind of money we’re hearing about for a player who is not a difference maker boggles the mind. And the scary part is the overwhelming chance he goes belly up right after we sign him to a multi-year deal. Why don’t you think he got a multi-year deal the previous offseason?

Additionally, where do you bat him? Are you going to stick his career .329 on-base in the leadoff spot? No thanks. This guy is like the square peg that will only complicate matters. We already have a great number two hitter in Murphy, and he’ll end up batting 6th or 7th.

Drew has earned $30 million in his eight year career, and now on the wrong side of 30 we have some fans who want to give him that much for a two year deal? It’s almost laughable.

This is simple. Save the money. Play Tejada. Reevaluate at the end of the season when you have better options available.

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  • Hodges14

    Jeter announced he will be retiring after the 2014 season. So anyone who has the idea that the Mets are going to wait until the 2015 season for a particular SS who may or may not be available on the free agent market (depending on if they sign an extension before that) can forget it. The Yankees will be looking for a SS and it’s about as close to a 100% guarantee as you can find that they will have the first pick on the market.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    if drew is so good maybe the Yankees will give him a 3 year deal to take jeters place

  • Hodges14

    Well I’d expect the Yankees will inspect who is available then acquire the guy who will most likely help them win games. Either way I can’t imagine that the Yankees being in the market for a SS is going to cause the cost to go down.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Exactly. Everyone who thinks that we can wait out one more year with Tejada should understand that we’re likely looking at 2 years if we go down that road.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    think they will wait to sign a better player than drew next ear, and toss money at him., BUT Drew on the yankees would hit hitting 260 and maybe 18 HR at Yankee stadium. As opposed to 250 and 10 HR as city field.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Sign him for 2 or 3 years. Refuse if he wants to opt out after year one. Forget that. Don’t go higher than like 12 mil per year. Try to get a club opt out option after year 2. I respect Sandy’s shrewdness, but the Mets WILL have to overpay a bit to get him, that’s free agency.

    Look up the career splits — Drew and Tejada could do a nice job holding down the fort at SS together. Tejada, even chubby lost Tejada last year was pretty good vs LHP. Drew has way better #’s vs. RHP.

    Drew/Tejada together can get you that 3+ WAR .700 to .750 OPS SS.

    I’m not hardcore anti-Tejada, and he could turn out to be decent, but playing him playing a whole season vs. LHP and RHP, it’d be reaching to expect more than a player who hits 1 HR. I mean besides that, Tejada OPS’s .642 career, in 1200 ABs.

    Stephen Drew while no superstar himself, still makes the Mets better and acquiring him shouldn’t set the Mets back financially some ridiculous amount. Jesus, we’re supposed to be a NY team.

  • Why is that?? Are the Stankees going to aquire all 5 SS that are out there next off season? Screw them!! They suck anyway!!

  • Hodges14

    Signing Drew at $12M per season this winter may look like a bargain next winter when the SS prices go up as the Yankees and potentially the Dodgers are both shopping for a new SS. That’s probably why Boras wants the 1 year opt-out for Drew.

  • metstastic

    There are plenty more SS available next year even if the Yankees sign one of them.

  • $14435385

    Not only will they have the first pick, but they will overpay (as they have to, being in NY with its tax considerations and, well, because they’re the Yankees) and reset the market floor for comparable players. With the Dodgers, Yankees, and Phillies (not to mention Baltimore and others) all looking for SS replacements, the cost bar will be raised significantly – a guy like Drew will cost $2-3M more next year, guaranteed. And I wouldn’t count Boston out next offseason either if Bogaerts can’t handle the rigors of playing every day.

    That’s one of the reasons Drew is looking for the opt-out clause…that and the fact that this organization isn’t committed to winning, but that’s another post…

  • metstastic

    Did you even read the article? Yours is the reason that Drew should not be signed.

  • ro7a

    And they will all be too expensive for the Mets budget. If they cant afford Drew, who is mediocre, how could they afford someone better? I am not enamored with Drew’s play but he’s not terrible, could even be 10-15th best and can be had for a reasonable salary, something that is always the first qualification for the small market mets.

  • KMO82

    I am undecided on Drew. I guess it depends on the deal for me. Do I want him for 3 years and 45M, nope. 1 year at 5M, sure. I know that is not happening but 1 or 2 years at 8-10 a year is possible. But the real problem I have is when people say there is a better class next year. The Mets have no real internal option other than Tejada in the near term so they will have to go outside the organization if they don’t want Tejada as there SS. Next year there are some intriguing names but will they actually reach FA? Won’t they cost more in years and dollars? Are they worth losing at first round pick for instead of just our third this year? Do any of us believe Alderson will dish out some big contract to one of these guys and outbid someone like the Yankees who will be all in for a SS next year?

    Next, in regards to if we get Drew. I would bat him leadoff when he plays as I would only play him against RHP as he had a .377OBP against righties last year and against lefties I would play Tejada. That’s the best way we can maximize Drew’s value and it fills our needs the best which is what is most important. So, Murphy stays in the 2-hole everyday in this scenario, no need to move him to 6th or 7th.

  • metstastic

    Alderson has said he can afford Drew. He is just not worth it. Even you consider Drew “not terrible.” How about signing a player that is worth it.

  • Hodges14

    Unless you have a functioning crystal ball you have absolutely no way of knowing who will or wont’ be available next winter.

  • Hodges14

    Yes, and Alderson is always truthful when it comes to the Mets’ finances. smh.

  • Hodges14

    How do you know how many SS will be available a year from now?

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    I hear ya, and they shouldn’t throw absurd money at Drew.

    But consider that with Tejada making what, 1 million? — If you can land Drew for say 3+ WAR .700 to .750 OPS SS, for less than market value still, if we’re adhering to the 1 WAR is worth 5 mil.

  • ro7a

    players that are worth it are not in the Mets Budget. The person has to be coming off an injury that costs them the entire year, over 40, coming off 2 or more down years or willing to sign a minor league deal.

  • metstastic

    Why worry about whether they hit FA or not? If Yankees are looking AND the Mets are looking, wouldn’t you want to hit FA and test the waters? Losing a first round pick depends on the player you are trying to get. If it’s Hanley, I would surely give up a first round pick.

  • metstastic

    Maybe < 10. Anything over 10 is absurd! I wouldn't even sign him to more than a 1 year deal because it will block all the options out there next year.

  • Free-agent class I was talking about, hypothetically speaking.
    There should be 5 give or take a few.
    Sorry for replying to a comment, I will check with you next time before I speak to make sure it’s an acceptable comment.
    But again you’re the one that wants to sign a scrub 30 yr old SS to a $12 mill a year contract.

  • metstastic

    I can probably bet that there will be more SS available next year that are better than Drew this year.

  • trevordunn

    Tejada and Omar Q can get you a good 2 HR and 25 RBI with a .200 BA out of SS this year…whats the problem?????

  • metsaholic

    I just read a feature story on ESPN NY about Lucas Duda. Main point is that he’s lost some weight, hopes to have improved his running and is ready for the competition at1st.

    However, the most important item I took from the story is from this quote:

    “Duda said fellow (fitness camp) attendees Ruben Tejada and Wilmer Flores have made big strides as well. “Especially Wilmer,” Duda said. “Wilmer looks amazing.”

    Wilmer looks “Amazing!” If he can be average at SS, I hope that Wilmer is the starting SS for the Amazin’s this season.

  • Hodges14

    Look you can debate over whether Drew is worth it or not but speculating about who is going to be a free agent next year is nuts. You know as well as anyone that the majority of the guys you are thinking about are going to either re-sign with their current team or be traded and sign an extension with their new team way before they hit the free agent market.

  • Hodges14

    You can definitely bet that, however that does not mean it will turn out to be true.

  • People change their minds all the time on players for any number of reasons and it seems you changed your mind now as well John so my question for you is what was it that changed your mind on Tejada and Drew?

    You went from saying you felt Drew was an upgrade over Tejada where SS is a necessity because the Mets can’t rely on Tejada and Drew would of been ideal at Citi Field and the best SS option defensively and offensively and a key piece to build around to now Drew is an average hitting shortstop and the Mets can build around Tejada.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    I like your price, but I don’t think anything over 10 mil is necessarily absurd, unless it’s like a four year deal or something crazy like that.

  • Cabrera, Hardy, Ramirez, Andrus, Lowrie for starters… maybe a few more would be available through trade. But I think people are talking FA’s when they’re saying available SS’s for next year.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    What option next year do you see the Mets conceivable pursuing, signing, and for how much? Despite the Mets spending a bit on free agency this offseason, I think we’re all skeptical of the Mets being willing compete with other teams looking for a SS next year, and to shell out tons of cash on a SS for the 2015 season.

    If our pitching prospects turn into a pitching surplus on the MLB level, perhaps then a trade for a SS would become more likely, than signing one via free agency.

  • metstastic

    Regardless if it is true or not, why block any chance on getting a SS that is better than Drew?

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    drew is a 250 hitter with no power or speed anything is an upgrade over him except tejada

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    I realize this link is just 2013 #’s, but I’d have to say your comment is not true:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/ss/sort/WARBR/order/true

  • Hodges14

    And the majority of those guys won’t make it to the free agent market. 2 weeks ago there were reports that the Dodgers were already working with Ramirez on a contract extension. http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/dodger-report/post/_/id/8470/how-much-is-hanley-ramirez-worth-to-the-dodgers

    Last I heard Andrus had already signed a big extension. No way of knowing who will be available on the free agent market after the 2014 season. Too early to tell.

  • BCleveland3381

    Here’s the problem with your argument against Drew, no one really knows what his price is. It’s all a game. To have gotten Drew already, Sandy would have had to give him a Peralta like contract. Sandy has always been patient, which you have to be with Boras, because he’s going to do the same. You can’t say Drew’s price is excessive, because as of right now, he doesn’t have a contract anywhere.

    It’s all a game. Sandy saying he isn’t interested, Boras demanding a 3rd year and then an opt out clause, etc. I know we are all sick of hearing about it, but if we get him and can get him for the right price, it has to be a drawn out process.

    Signing Drew means one big thing to me….DEPTH. Drew isn’t a game changing SS, but he’s a proven, veteran SS. If we sign Drew, all of a sudden we have EY, Tejada, Satin, and possibly Flores and either Ike or Duda coming off the bench. That’s a big deal in my eyes. Without Drew, we are 100% reliant on Tejada and if he doesn’t bounce back we are stuck with a Tejada/Q platoon this season and then having to outbid teams that could include the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies, Orioles etc for the SS talent next year. If you think a 3 year 36 million dollar deal for Drew is bad, wait until we have to overpay a guy like Asdrubal Cabrera for much more just because he’s the last guy left.

    Im still in favor of signing Drew.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    lol so u think drew is better than reyes, both caberas, lawrie, Ramirez, etc. really?

  • metsaholic

    You nailed it exactly!

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Not necessarily, no, but none of those players you named are available.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    they aren’t???

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    I don’t think they’re FA’s right now, but when they are, we can have the similar debate when those players want 15-22 mil a year, as opposed the 10-14 mil a year debate with Drew now.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    id givea better player 15-17 than get a bad player for 12-14

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    100% right on the money. Free agency = overpaying a bit automatically. If we don’t sign Drew this year, I could easily envision a similar post next year talking about how the Mets shouldn’t sign SS X, Y, or Z because 16, 17, 18+ mil a year is too pricey.

    Besides that, the Mets like you say will have steeper competition for free agent shortstops next year.

  • Hodges14

    Because they need an upgrade at SS now. Alderson has stated so publicly. Waiting to see if a better SS is available next winter is all speculation. I’m not advocating signing Drew to a 10 year contract. 2 or 3 years should not crimp the Mets plans.

  • Hodges14

    But the Mets wouldn’t

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    why do we need it NOW? We are going to with MAYBE 80 games next year and finish in 3 or 4 place. Drew isn’t going to improve this team much.

  • Hodges14

    And you’ll be able to use that same excuse next winter to avoid upgrading.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    they may, they have 7 mill from young, and at least 6 more they offered that closer, and what ever they really offered drew. thats at least 20 mill.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    drew isn’t muc of an up grade- if tejada ranks 30, out o 30 SS, drew is 23 of 30

  • KMO82

    Yes, but the Dodgers may just give Hanley some ridiculous extension so he doesn’t hit FA. If he does, do you think we would outbid the Yankees or go above market value for him?

  • Hodges14

    i don’t agree with that. A .764 OPS at SS is considerably better than a .642 OPS.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    23 guys id rather have:

    Ian Desmond
    Jed Lowrie
    J.J. Hardy
    Jean Segura
    Ben Zobrist
    Alexei Ramirez
    Troy Tulowitzki
    Andrelton Simmons
    Starlin Castro
    Erick Aybar
    Jimmy Rollins
    Elvis Andrus
    Asdrubal Cabrera
    Hanley Ramirez
    Jhonny Peralta
    Jose Reyes
    Everth Cabrera

    that’s 17 starting SS Id also prefer some of these young guys:

    C. Owings
    D. Gregorius
    J. Profar
    Miller
    Franklin
    Sardinas

    My point here is, if tejada is my last choice at ss and drew is 24, is that much of an upgrade worth tying up funds in the him

  • BCleveland3381

    Here is another point about depth from my other post. In 2013 our opening day bench consisted of Anthony Recker, Mike Baxter, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, Jordanny Valdespin, and Justin Turner. Justin Turner is the only ML caliber player on there, and he should be a 25th man on any team in the league.

    If we were able to sign Drew, our opening day bench would include Recker, Ruben Tejada, Josh Satin, Eric Young, and then maybe Wilmer Flores, Duda, or a 5th OF like Andrew Brown. The more major league caliber players you can have backing up your starters the better off you’ll be. Last year we had nothing. This year we could. Tejada starting with Q as our only backup SS would be a death sentence for that position again.

  • Matt Mosher

    Exactly. I don’t buy the “evaluate Tejada” argument a bit. Tejada is a bench player. Drew is light years better than Ruben Tejada. And the free agent shortstops next winter, in all likelihood, won’t be free agents by the time November rolls around.

    Save the money? Why? Are we fans paying the freight? I don’t care about the “money” in a league with no salary cap.

    Give Drew three years and move on.

  • Bail4Nails

    Aledmys Diaz is holding a showcase on Thursday, February 20th. It might be worth a shot to wait on Drew until they see what this kid’s got. Even if you get Drew, you have Diaz waiting in AAA. You don’t get Drew, and he competes with Tejada (and Flores) for SS this Spring. If Diaz looks good at Shortstop, this is a no-brainer for Sandy, IMO.

  • Hodges14

    Well, as far as I can tell most of those guys aren’t available and I’m not sure I agree with the entire list. Getting Owings would be great if he was available. Not sure exactly what the Mets would need to give in a trade though.

  • Hodges14

    I’m still disappointed that they didn’t find a veteran backup catcher. With d’Arnaud being new to the league we have a big disadvantage in not having an experienced catcher to guide him.

  • Hodges14

    After the numbers Ramirez put up in 2013 (admittedly in limited action) I’d be surprised if the Dodgers let him walk.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I’d like to see us give Diaz a shot.

  • Hodges14

    Yet he has a higher OPS than Chris Young who we supposedly acquired to provide power in the lineup.

  • Charley’s Twin

    You always post this and never mention that Tejada is closer to 50 than 30 on the best shortstops list.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    From mlbtraderumors:

    It’s unclear if the Dodgers’ extension talks with Hanley Ramirez have progressed since they were reported to be in the “early stages” three weeks ago, but Ramirez made one thing clear today. After arriving at camp a day early, Ramirez told Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times that he wants “to be a Dodger for life.”

  • Des

    Play Tejada? I suppose there are crueler fates but it’s not what I’d like to do to the Mets.. IMO, Tejada is mediocre, Drew is not. I’ll leave the money negotiations to Sandy and stay out of all but the basic rankings business. Defining where a player stacks up isn’t hard. Rank Diaz then get back to business. Let’s get our team on the field.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    There r only 30 teams, tejada is the 30 imo, and id prefer those 23 over drew as well as tejada

  • BCleveland3381

    I agree. If d’Arnaud gets hurt, a season of Recker would be pretty dreadful.

  • DKNOKOZ

    Lobatan from Tampa would be a nice acquisition as a backup.

  • BCleveland3381

    The Orioles are also in discussions to sign JJ Hardy to an extension. If they are both off the market, there goes the two best SS options for next season. Yankees and Phillies will also be in the market for a SS, so where does that leave the Mets. Signing Drew is the right move and its so obvious to me.

  • Charley’s Twin

    But you assume that the 30 best all have starting jobs on different teams. What I’m saying is many teams have two guys better than him.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Dodger for life?

    Translation: I’m going to the Yankees.

  • blaiseda

    The point Sandy has been making about DRew and every other free agent has been this.. we set a value on each available player.. if their price equals the value we make an offer. If not, we are not going to spend more than our internal valuation has set just to please fans or win now. It would be detrimental to the team in the long run. So.. if Drew’s price comes down to the Mets value (obviously they’d made an offer) then a deal will get down, if not then he can go to some fool team who overbids and good luck with that.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    I don’t know about that, Andrew. Alderson said that they can’t shell out $15 million on a player, so do the Mets really have a shot at Diaz?

  • BehindTheBag

    Who is this amazing player who’s going to be available and affordable next year? Never understood that part of the thinking. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, unless we are tanking to jockey for better draft position in the 2015 amateur draft.

  • somedude718

    Yeah, Boras simply likes to play chicken. What I’d like is for Boras to finally cave right before the end of ST, then SA says something to the tune of “well, now he won’t be ready for the season right away. That decreases his value”

  • BCleveland3381

    And that SS will probably cost us a 1st rounder instead of the 3rd round pick Drew will cost.

  • Bail4Nails

    It’s probably around 5 years $30 million. That’s $6 million. We spent $7 mil on CY, and Sandy said it was a bargain. If he’s the real deal at $6 million/year, this team is going places. If he’s a bust, it’s $6 million less per year. That shouldn’t be a huge problem, even for the Mets. Plus, he won’t be a bust.

  • Wolfmicky21

    If Drew were a stock, I’d take a short position

  • Andrew Herbst

    I think we do have a shot at Diaz only because he won’t cost as much as Drew.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Sounds reasonable since LA got Puig for $6 million over 7 years, but “he won’t be a bust”? I wouldn’t be so sure about that just yet.

  • igotyourbackman

    this guy sucks and will be no better than tejada this year. bank it, comrades

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    agree

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    dosnt have to be amazing – just better than drew

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Bonifacio cleared wavers – id be interested in him, weather at 2b or super sub, not a bad guy for a bounce back season, at the right price

  • Bail4Nails

    True, that’s a bit of an overstatement. Based on the fact that his numbers were better than every other Cuban SS in the Majors now, his winter showcase in Mexico showed improved defense, and how his swing looks (pretty good), I’ve got a good feeling about his future success.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I know I didnt just read we can build around Tejada!!! 😐

    Build what exactly? A sand castle with the dirt from around the Shortstop position

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    I hope you’re right. I wonder if he’s a fit out of the leadoff spot.

  • Mcgrupp81

    I’m not saying you’re wrong but there is always the trade route. Just because we don’t get Drew doesn’t mean that we can’t trade pitching depth mid-season or in the offseason for a solid SS getting paid the league minimum.

  • BCleveland3381

    Like who? And what are you giving up? If you want a solid, controllable, young MLB caliber SS making league minimum you better be willing to give up Wheeler or Gee+ a good prospect. Drew only costs us money and a 3rd round pick. Im not saying you can’t go that route, but there are costs that way too, just not money.

  • Super T

    First off, no team is going to give Stephen Drew $15M dollars per year and the chances are no team is going to sign him to a multi-year deal where he can bolt after 1 year. Second, Ruben Tejeda even at his best is not as good as Stephen Drew is. When you take out those two points you guys really don’t have any points left as to why the Mets shouldn’t sign him.

    P.S. Nice how you left out that Stephen Drew had a .377 obp against RHP last year. Like that doesn’t scream out Mets leadoff hitter.

  • BarnRat

    My clock radio has been playing “I got you babe” for 3 months.

  • BarnRat

    That’s good. We aren’t getting him anyway and at least it would keep the Yankees from going after someone we actually might be able to get.

  • chago

    I’d rather have him than Q as our middle IF back up that is for sure.

  • Timothy Frith

    I think Stephen Drew will sign a 4-year deal with the Dodgers replacing Hanley Ramirez at shortstop. That deal will include a club option for a 5th year.

  • Bail4Nails

    I’m sure we’ll find out when he’s leading off against us in the Subway Series next year.

  • badcheckbarry

    did u fall down and bang your head?

  • BronxMets

    this is all cover for SA more BS from him see Michael Bourne…………SA never had any intentions of signing him.

  • BarnRat

    For those not familiar with Timothy on MMO, he’s our “out of the box” guy.

  • I think we have all been dreaming of Diaz so much that I think the Yankees will sign him.

  • Bail4Nails

    People here have told me Miller is impossible. What would it take to get him?

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    You say that like its a bad thing.

  • vigouge

    But you’re not giving a better player 15-17 because there’s no better player available and when there are the price will most likely be higher and/or for much longer increasing the risk.

  • vigouge

    Except according to all parties involved the Mets had a contract on the table with Bourne that would have been signed had the commissioners office actually had a set.

  • Bail4Nails

    Do you think they’ll make a bid on him? We haven’t been listed as an “interested team”, but I’m hoping Sandy is quietly interested.

  • That was my hope. And then Jeter went and announced his retirement.

  • I saw that. Good for them. Spending that much is a way for them to quickly restock their farm.

  • I wish we had their checkbook.

  • Mets Fan in Paris

    Timothy Frith strikes again!!! I love it!!!

  • Mike

    “Build around a Ruben Tejada”? Ruben Tejada is not an everyday player. The only reason he has been given an everyday role over the last few years is because our farm system was barren and our owners were in the darkest hour of their financial nightmare when their star shortstop hit the open market. Ruben tejada, who has hit the disabled list multiple times over the last two years has zero tools. He cant run, his defense is spotty, he has a bad attitude, he’s brittle and he has zero power. His 312 career slugging % is at the very very bottom of the list of mlb players over the last three years. He’s a platoon player. Drew’s career slugging is 424, his defense is above average and aside from his gruesome ankle injury which limited him for two yrs, he’s been pretty durable. Rosario and Cecchini are 3 yrs away at least so give Drew 2 yrs and an option. Only cost us a 3rd rnd pick. Next yr’s ss will cost a first.

  • Judge Holden

    I like the idea that was floated of giving Flores a shot to show what he can do at short. He’s started his. areer at short and, if reports of his newer, sleaker, faster body after attending a training camp in Michigan this winter are true, he could provide a better option than both Tejada and Drew. The Mets need offense and they need to find a place for Flores to develop his offensive prowess, which everyone believes will be exceptional. This movesolves both problems. If Tejada beats him out at camp, that means he’s turned his career around.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    OK, Tell us WHO???

  • 2aSupport

    The market speaks, and teams do not seem interested in Drew at his asking price. Let him sign elsewhere.

  • BehindTheBag

    Name some names man.

  • 2aSupport

    Drew IS mediocre. Tejada is just terrible.

  • Metsopotamia

    I do not think Drew is great by any means. And can the Mets do better than Drew next year I would like to hope so. I do not think you can build around Drew either but you for sure can’t build around Tejada at all, he is barely a major league player. Hoping he gets back to his “good season” he had in 2012, but his 2012 season wasn’t even that good. But I keep reading/hearing that Drew isn’t really that much better and as long as Tejada gets back to how he played in 2012 they dont need Drew etc….So since I didn’t remember what Ruben did I checked. So the big season that people are talking about in 2012 was a .289 avg, 1 HR 25 RBi’s? that is the big season we are hoping he gets back to? Are we serious? I could see with those numbers if he was fast and he stole like 40 bases and played solid D, boom there is the lead off hitter. But Ruben has no speed. So I think I am missing something here. Drew is not great I will agree with that, but he did have seasons where he hit double digit HR’s 5 times something Tejada could never do and he drives in runs, something Ruben cannot do either. So I wouldnt break the bank for Drew but saying he isnt that much better than Tejada is a farce. You dont want to sign him cause you want something better I’m down with that, you want to keep Tejada cause he is just as good, I cannot disagree more

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    There are alot of trades that can be made, seattle, arz, la, oak and more sandy needs to get on the phone and see what he can get. We have 3 guys who can play 2b and none at ss. Why not see if anyone wants murphy comming off his best season?

  • METS62FAN

    METSO… THE ERAOF BIG SLUGGING SS IS A PHENOMINAL BLIP OF PERHAPS 20 YEARS IN A SPORT THAT’S BEEN KEEPING STATS 5 TIMES LONGER.

    AS FOR YOUR COMMENT;” So the big season that people are talking about in 2012 was a .289 avg, 1 HR 25 RBi’s?
    FOR MORE THAN 80 SEASONS MLB TEAMS HAVE FLOURISHED WITH NUMBERS OUT OF SS JUST LIKE THAT OR LOWER. IT IS “BY NEAR DEFINITION” THE PREMERE DEFENSIVE BASEBALL POSITION OF WHICH JETER’S DEPARTURE SOON SIGNALS THE END OF A BLIPPIN ‘OFFENSIVE SS ERA
    TEJADA Vs DREW IS NOT WHAT I SEE AS THE HEART OF THIS ISSUE AS BASEBALL IS @ ITS’ CORE A RELATIONSHIP BASED BUSINESS ON THE FINANIAL SIDE, I HAVE MY SUSPICIONS THAT REMAINING AS “AN INTERESTED TEAM OR TOOL FOR NEGOTIATING” FOR USE BY BORAS IN TALKING UP DREW TO DREW’S PREFERRED TEAM, BOSTON.
    IT IS WITH EYES ON THE LOOMING UP SOONER BEFORE LATER ADVERSITY OVER SCOTT’S LONE NYM TALENT, MATT HARVEY, THAT ALDERSON IS RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY TRYING TO AMICABLY IMPROVE THE MET/BORAS HISTORICALLY CONTENTOUS RELATIONSHIP. NOT THAT HE WOULD GIVE US ANY FINANCIAL OR TENURE BREAK WHATSOEVER; BUT HOPING TO SMOOTH OUT THE INITIAL COURSE FROM HAVING SCOTT DETERMINED TO MOVE HIS CLIENT ELSEWHERE AND MAKING MATT’S STAYING LESS AGGRAVATING TO HIS REPRESRENTATION.
    JUST A POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION AS IT CAN’T BE MONEY BECAUSE ALDERSON HAS SPENT WHAT COUILD’VE BEEN DREW $$$ ON DICE,FARNSWORTH & VALVERDE AS INSURANCE BEFORE SEEKING A REG POSSIBLE”UPGRADE” @ SS. DON’T FOR A SECOND BELIEVE BORAS IS UNAWARE OF THAT & HOW OUR “TECHNICALLY” REMAINING AS DREW’S ONLY MARKET ALLOWS HIM TO INTERACT MORE STRONGLY WITH BOSTON RATHER THAN BEGGING FOR A CRUMB, HE CAN AT LEAST REQUEST SOME CRUST

  • METS62FAN

    JUDGE HOLDEN, WHILE IT’S NEVER OPTIMUM FOR A PROSPECT @ ANY PROWESS LEVEL TO SIT IDLE, PERHAPS DUE TO FLORES’ EXPERIENCE @ 1B,2B,SS & 3B HE’D MAKE AN IMPROVED SLUGGING VERSION OF THE DEPARETED JUSTIN TURNER. AS I BELIEVE THE YOUNGER, MORE LITHE VERSION OF FLORES @ SS HAD EVERYONE CONVINCED OTHER POSITIONS WERE INTEGRAL TO HIS FUTURE SUCCESS @ MLB LEVEL.

  • Tango01

    The only reason Tejada was the shortstop the last couple years was because Reyes bolted and Tejada was the only young prospect who was ready to play in the majors. Now with all the question marks this team has in the batting order it’s hard to have Tejada taking an everyday spot in the order.
    My question is the article says don’t sign Drew and give Tejada another shot and if he fails then sign one of the other shortstops next year. Well what do you do if Tejada is flopping during the year and it’s only May. Who are you going to start? Quintanilla? No thanks! Sounds to me like 2013 all over again. Next year when the free agency begins who is to say the Mets will spend big bucks to compete against the other teams especially the Yankees who will also be looking for a shortstop. It’s funny because everyone always complained the Mets don’t spend and then they complain not to spend money on Drew. You can never win.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    What about a trade? There are many teams with a few ss. Arz, sea, tex, wsox, cubs and more.

  • veech2203

    While I also don’t see the fascination with Drew, I don’t see the need to just say no, stick to your guns and what happens, happens

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Glad to see we’ve finally come to our senses on Drew.

  • Fast Eddie

    it’s not the money or Drew’s ability to contribute to the Mets that bothers me; it’s the third-round draft pick that we’ll lose by signing him. The Mets have already sacrificed their second pick to sign Granderson; giving up the third pick as well for Drew would be too high a price to pay. I’d rather keep the pick and hope for a decent season from Tejada. A reprise of Ruben’s 2012 season would be nice. The FA pickings will be much better next winter.

    Veloz

  • Agreed. If Drew was a viable player he would have been snagged by another team by now.

  • sperry

    I believe literally nothing that comes out of the mouth of that man

  • Scottymike

    Drew should not even be an option, he’s played 150 plus games 3 times since his debut in 06′. I’m over seeing the dudes name.

  • BehindTheBag

    I certainly hope that doesn’t matter a lick in this decision making process.

    A third round pick and slot money is not even in the same ballpark, value-wise, with upgrading your major league team for even one season.

    First round picks, totally different story. Third rounders? Completely expendable, even though once in a blue moon one of them hits.

  • oleosmirf

    I’d trade Gee + for an Everth Cabrera or Owings/Gregorius

  • metstastic

    I don’t get it. Guys say the Mets should spend on an elite player. Yet you will “settle” for an OK player and block the chances of even attempting at a quality player like Hanley?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Someone put a muzzle on Sandy Alderson….we dont need to hear him anymore than we have to…

    When something NEEDS to be said he is as quiet as a church mouse…But when nothing needs to be said he has something to say and its almost always a LIE anyway so…

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    More like out of this PLANET!

  • Anthony

    The Yankees will be in the market for a ss next year. We will be able to pick from the left overs

  • sperry

    Man it’s almost like you don’t think we should put our faith in a career .260 singles-hitter with mediocre defense and a bad attitude

  • DrDooby

    A´s SS Jed Lowrie (a free agent after 2014 though) might become available during the season with ueber-prospect Addison Russel getting the call from AAA by mid / late June (Super 2 deadline). Though he could also switch to 2b for the time being.

    Rays SS Yunel Escobar (with a couple of club options through at least 2015) might become available during the season with top prospect Hak Ju Lee getting the call from AAA by mid / late June as well.

    The D´backs won´t keep both of Chris Owings and Didi Gregorius forever – one probably has to be traded at some point.

    The Indians may shop SS Asdrubal Cabrera with top prospect Francisco Lindor possibly an option by mid & late June.

    And, of course, if the Blue Jays and Rockies aren´t winning, both may enter “sell” mode by the trade deadline and decide to shop Troy Tulowitzki & Jose Reyes respectively with the Mets being obvious contenders (as not too many teams figure to have both the need & young talent & possibly money to take on those contracts).

    So there probably will be some options – most of which do not exist right now – unless you´re willing to pay a premium.

    If the Mets are “in” a race or close to it, it might be making sense making a trade here. Be it of the variety the Pirates made last year when they added Marlon Byrd & John Buck as free agents.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Wasnt he just on with Francessa saying signing Drew is STILL a POSSIBILITY!(but not at $15mil)

    Now its a day or so later and signing a Drew is UNLIKELY!

    LMAO!!!!!

    Oh my SERENITY NOW!!!

    http://organiseme.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/serenity_now.jpg

  • Dave_in_Spain

    So, I think the Mets could end up a .500 team this year with the additions they´ve made, bounceback seasons, maturing of young players, etc. That will be better. But is that enough to get fans back in the park again after so many years of losing, as well as constant setbacks, embarrassments, and frankly insulting behavior/attitude by the owners? I doubt it. If they´re counting on fans flocking back to refill their coffers I´m afraid they might be disappointed.

  • Anthony

    Just reminding all those who are saying the crop next year is better. Hanley Ramirez won’t see the open market. After him it’s not that spectacular

  • Anthony

    Tejada is a perfect back up ss an 2b

  • ArchieBellandTheDrells

    I wish someone would sign him already. I also feel like i’ve seen that picture of Drew everyday for two months.

  • Anthony

    That was two days ago

  • somedude718

    I don’t believe a word that comes out of anyone’s mouth from either camp, until drew signs somewhere. The only thing this statement says to me is Sandy feels he has Drew and Boras over a barrel, and throws it in their court to wow him with their offer.

  • Wolfmicky21

    This has got to be embarrassing for Drewy boy and boras (and Jay-z is loving it)

  • Xavier 22

    Drew, I got good news and bad news…actually it’s both, we’re not taking on any more free agents.

  • trevordunn

    Unlikely that I will waste money and go to a game either……will be hilarious when Jose Reyes is the Yankees starting SS next year while the Mets will have ruben tejada. this whole organization is a joke. F EM ALL

  • Dave_in_Spain

    While Reyes on the Yanks would be a worst case scenario, I don´t see it happening. The Yanks have a terrible farm system. Even though they can absorb the salary, I don´t think Toronto would trade Reyes within the division without getting back an absolute haul in prospects.

  • BarnRat

    No, I was just following for quite awhile before commenting

  • Taskmaster4450

    Valid point.

  • BehindTheBag

    Do you really think that we have a prayer of getting Hanley Ramirez? Really? The Dodgers are going to lock him up before he becomes a FA, and if they don’t, there’s a bidding war between LA and the Yanks. And the result will be at least a 6-7 year contract that carries him well into his unproductive years. Just not a good contract, and waiting a year for the privilege of grossly overpaying Hanley, or more likely whiffing on him, is not a great move IMO.

  • Oh Richie…when are the Mets likely to improve on their record for the first time ever on your watch?? 2015 maybe. And if it takes 5 seasons to reach a winning record…why do you still have this job?? Man, it pays to be a company man.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    easy solution

    3 way trade

  • metstastic

    Why would he want to extend without testing the FA waters? He knows he will be highly sought after. It’s not as if he grew up through their system and has any allegiance to them like DW. Besides, if there is a bidding war, fine.. I’ll target Hardy. The point is, there are many SS I’d prefer before Drew that will be available next year.

  • metstastic

    I would rather overpay an elite player than overpay a bargain player.

  • metstastic

    They don’t have a choice. Isn’t his agent boras?

  • metstastic

    You don’t get it.. All of against signing Drew isn’t because he is too pricey. It is because he is not worth it. Paying more for a Hanley or Hardy IS worth it.

  • metstastic

    Because we all know that there is always a cap on how much you can afford. Signing one player will prevent us from signing another player.

  • metstastic

    So you are saying we shouldn’t sign any free agents next year?

  • metstastic

    Teagarden

  • metstastic

    They always say that. “I always wanted to be here” even when I signed with xyz.. blah blah blah

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    if the mets signed him he would hit 8th. That’s not what we need to be spending all this money on. We need a clean up hitter to push grandy to the 6 hole and everyone behing him 1 slot back. Preferably an OF.
    1 – Lagaras / E young
    2 – Murphy
    3 – Wright
    4 – Grandy
    5 – C young
    6 – Ike
    7 – Travis
    8 – Drew

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I don’t think the Yankees have anything good to trade for reyes.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    yea 500 is possible and yea, I don’t see many people showing up. But I do think there will be more buzz in the stands in 2015. just a gut feeling.

  • Destry

    Who plays SS the 90 games thst Reyes misses though?

  • Destry

    Drew leadsoff for the Mets bro, and moves EY & Tejada to the bench

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    drew cant get on base, hits 250, has no speed, and cant hit lefties, he wouldn’t lead off

  • Destry

    3rd best power hitting SS behind Tulo & Hanley, and plays lights out D. Anyone who thinks Tejada is anywhere close tothe player Drew is hasnt seen Drew play. 13 HRs, 9 Triples 30some doubles in 124 games. Tejada & half the SS in the league couldnt produce that over two full seasons

  • BehindTheBag

    Didn’t really answer my question. Do you really believe the Mets win a bidding war for Hanley? If you think so, or think it’s prudent for that matter, then we’re just watching two different games. I think the Mets have zero chance of signing Ramirez unless he hits .200 this year and nobody wants him – then he’s our guy.

    As for Hardy…he’s the runner up prize for LAD or NYY, whoever doesn’t land Hanley.

    We’ll end up with the privilege of paying 5/$75 for A. Cabrera and sacrificing our #1 pick. Well played.

  • Metsopotamia

    I don’t disagree with what you are saying, but in today’s game there are many SS who are much better offensively than Tejada or the defensive SS you are talking about. Yes the Mets won a championship with Rafael Santana who couldn’t hit a lick, but today not only do teams have the sluggers at SS but many have 10-15 HR type guys who aren’t “power hitters” but hit homeruns. And the way the game is played today a home run can change a game a lot more than an oppo single can, and most of the time that is all tejada can do. I am not saying the Mets NEED a SS with power and the ability to drive in runs, but it would be nice considering SS isn’t just a defensive position anymore. Would I love to have a Tulowitski sure, but that might be tough to get but players like Peralta, Ian Desmond, Segura, Simmons, Cozart, Hardy, Hanley, Jed Lowrie, DREW, Asdrubel Cabrera etc….Many others were very close to double digits too, having Tejada with not even just little power, he has no power and I think the Mets could help their offense by having many positions getting 10+ HR’s all over the field and not just be left with Tejada cause the front office isnt creative enough to find a better option.

  • Metsopotamia

    thats what compounded the problem. Not only did they give Tejada the job even though they made it pretty clear in the off season they werent happy with him and wanted to upgrade SS, then when the market went too high for them and they couldnt be creative enough to find something better, which to me is a cop-out, they sign Quintanilla as the back up. So the big priority is to upgrade the position and all you do is bring back the 2 from last year? that is ridiculous

  • DKNOKOZ

    so you’re advocating for who exactly?

  • Wolfmicky21

    Drew, say something, I’m giving up on you!

  • I got picked on for saying pretty much the same thing last week here on MMO. I’m glad and feel a little vindicated.. Thanks Guys!