Mets COO Jeff Wilpon Sees Wild Card In 2014, Believes In Sandy

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Mets COO Jeff Wilpon spoke with Mike Lupica of ESPN New York 98.7 FM and told him that he expects the club to be in the mix for a Wild Card this year.

“My expectation is that we improve on last year. In our last 100 games we played at .500 and if we can do that this year and we get to mid-August and September, the Mets will be right in the mix to get one of those wild cards.”

Wilpon says the plan is to stick with Sandy Alderson’s long-term plan, and but believes the Mets will be fine without Matt Harvey because of the pipeline of young arms on the way.

“We did get hit with Matt Harvey, but our plan is still in place. We still have a pipeline of young power arms that are coming. A bunch of them people know about, but some others they don’t know about. But there are many good pitchers that are in the system that we have stockpiled. We can’t replace Matt Harvey, but we can stem the gap until he returns, hopefully as good as he was before.”

“We believe in Sandy’s plan. We believe where we’re going. We believe that we have young guys that are going to step up. It’s not like we are relying on one player who we hope does it, we have a bunch of guys. Hope isn’t the best business plan, but that’s where we are right now.”

Wilpon thinks Travis d’Arnaud could be good if he just learns to exhale and know that the catching job is his, and he loves many of the young players expected to make the roster and rattled off about a dozen names.

“Things are looking up and Mets fans should be excited to come see some of these young guys perform because they have something to play for. Come out and root these young guys on”

Wilpon deflected questions about signing Stephen Drew and where the Mets were financially, but expects this team to play meaningful games in September with or without Drew.

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  • pochemunyet

    SELL THE TEAM, WILPONS!

  • Charley’s Twin

    Oh god shut up Jeff

  • omar minayass

    HAHAHAHAHAHA, this made my day.

  • Hodges14

    I guess this is just me but I’m getting tired of the company line where they pick a 100 game segment and say we played .500 ball like that’s an accomplishment. Playing .500 ball in 100 games in a 162 game season means absolutely nothing unless the team won 2/3 of their remaining games.

  • Charley’s Twin

    No, It’s not just you.

  • BehindTheBag

    I just hope we play meaningful games in June.

  • NewYorkMammoths
  • Charley’s Twin

    nothing quite like seeing him open his trap to ruin a nice friday morning

  • skyking26

    Wilpon translation, Wild card = Ponzi scheme, believes in Sandy = Koufax.

  • AJF

    He must still believe in Santa if he believes the Mets are a play off team

  • mitchpetanick

    I know we have a passionate fan base, but we can’t have cursing in the comment section guys. I’m sure we can get our points across without using vulgar and offensive language. Thanks for your understanding.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Jeff makes it so hard….

  • mitchpetanick

    I know, but there are ways to curse without actually spelling the words out 😉

  • Waz0787

    Sigh. This idiot own the mets 🙁

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    lmao – its sad

  • BadBadLeroyBrown
  • SRT

    Um…I highly doubt there are a ‘bunch of young arms no one knows about’.
    Pretty sure analysts who study the minors and prospects are well aware of what the Mets have.

    Someone please tell me Jeff will not be the next GM…..sigh.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I would like to ask Jeff a question….If he sees wild card for the mets in 2014….I would like to know who he thinks we are better than, either Washington or ATL? Both teams are very good. Or does he just think one will just run into devastating injuries. Lets say one of them gets 5 starters suspend for PED’s… lol Thinking LA and SL will win their div we will still also have to be better than Pit, Cin, Arz, Mil, Col, & Giants.
    Dosnt he know Met fans aren’t stupid? Dosnt he think we know a lot about baseball? Or is he really that dumb?
    I think we do have a shot of finishing 500 this season, IF everything breaks ritht and I think we could be well set up to get a wild card spot in 2015 IF we add a GOOD cleanup hitter.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Unpopular opinion – I’m satisfied with the direction of this franchise under Sandy Alderson.

    Okay. Now let the downvotes rain upon my sinful head!

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Lol….Usually prior to spring training teams aim for IDK…..”WINNING THE DIVISION!!!”

    Way to get your fanbase excited Jeff….lol

    But in all fairness we’d be killing him if he stated winning the division…Cant blame anyone but himself and his Daddy for that hate though.
    ——————————————-

    Striving for Mediocrity since the start of the 90’s
    ~Wilpons

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I think he means guys who aren’t getting a lot of attention because they’re raw but the team is confident in their potential.

  • Benny

    “In our last 100 games we played at .500 and if we can do that this year and we get to mid-August and September, the Mets will be right in the mix to get one of those wild cards.”

    So the goal is to play .500 ball and hope the other teams that are competing for a WC are worse than us? What a tremendous plan!

    Have you guys realized this is going to be the guy running this franchise after his father is gone? HELP!!!

  • Bail4Nails

    How much would ticket sales increase if the Mets made another big move or two? I know we always have the “big spending vs. good spending debate”, but my question is solely based on ticket sales. Do you think signing or trading for a good SS, or signing someone like Morales (all hypotheticals) would boost sales? I think if Jeff has to go on the radio, sales can’t be going too well.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Striving for mediocrity? They did bring the team closer to a WS in 2000 and 2006 than we’d been since 1986. I mean, they’ve been bad clearly but credit where it’s due. They were spending all over the place building those 2006-2008 teams.

  • SRT

    Maybe…
    I took it to mean Jeff doesn’t have a clue how closely some Met fans not only follow the team, but the prospects in the minors as well.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I don’t think that’s what he meant, but of course, I’m defending the Wilpons so most would label me a fool.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Not with this fanbase. Winning will bring fans back, not just a paper team.

  • SRT

    Technically, Nats could win the division, Atl could get the first WC and the Mets could grab the second.

    Of course, that means our record would have to be better than all other teams not winning the division in the Central and West.

    Long shot, I know. But I don’t think anyone expected Jeff to say ‘No, we’re not competing for post season this year’. Just take those comments for what they’re worth.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    It’s not like we are relying on one player who we HOPE does it, we have a bunch of guys.

    “HOPE isn’t the best business plan, but that’s where we are right now.”

    So the business plan isnt HOPE BUT thats the business right now???

    GOT IT!

    I HOPE the ticket prices match the performance(mediocre)….

    Aiming for .500! What a low standard he set

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah, because if he said “We’re going to win the division,” I’m sure you’d be calling him confident and setting a good example.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    1 Name = MIKE PIAZZA

    Thank You Nelson DoubleDay
    —————————

    1 Name = Bernie Madoff

    Thanks for the Shadow money Bernie…we’ve only been paying it back(sort of) for the past 5years…and who knows when we’ll stop.

  • Hodges14

    How about actually winning the division… then talk about it. I think everyone has heard enough out of the Wilpons. They have zero credibility left with the fanbase.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Don’t know what any of that has to do with taking this team to a WS and within one game of a WS but okay then.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Youre such a 1st class idiot…especially since you read and responded to my post below already where I stated

    Lol….Usually prior to spring training teams aim for IDK…..”WINNING THE DIVISION!!!”

    Way to get your fanbase excited Jeff….lol

    But in all fairness we’d be killing him if he stated winning the division…Cant blame anyone but himself and his Daddy for that hate though.

    Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I wrote that 12minutes ago and you responded to it.

    Hey but what can I say youre a troll…IT would be TOO MUCH to ask you to read comments that you reply to since you are replying to EVERY SINGLE PERSON that makes a Post.

    LMAO…Ease up on the gas buddy

    #TrollsGottaTroll

  • Hodges14

    1988 team played in game 7 of the NLCS. So they were within 1 game of the WS also.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    He was asked his expectations for this season. What should he have said?

  • Keith’s stache

    Lupica should’ve asked him why is Hope the plan for right now? How did it get to that?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Oh, I guess I should read all your comments and combine my responses.

    So sorry.

    Calm down, Leroy.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Since ’88. So sorry.

  • SpinalRemains

    What’s he going to say when the ball club is 6 under .500, and mired in a 4 game losing streak while leaving for the West coast in July?

  • Randolph Scott

    I’d rather have Butch and Woim beat me to a pulp than listen to anything this clown has to say, never mind looking at his no clue mug with the worse toupee Madoff money can buy..

    Spare us your drivel, do us all a favor and SELL THE TEAM NOW !!!!

  • SteveBrooklyn777

    Agree generally. I don’t think they even need to sign Morales; it’s all about Drew! Tejada would then be a decent backup at 2B and SS. Of course, signing an experienced reliever would be great, too. The Wilponzis need to get to at least a $100 million payroll, and field a team that can play .500 ball minimally. Otherwise, the attendance/revenue decline will continue….

  • Keith’s stache

    Yeah I was wondering about that. For a second I was excited thinking the Mets have secretly stashed away some hot shot prospects who will be unveiled soon.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Lol… You cant be this slow…Can you?

    Nevertheless I wont hold you any longer from Trolling…word is you have to have the last word no matter how stupid you make yourself look….

    http://www.quickmeme.com/img/5b/5b1ffd37c9f5f13bf4c2a9ee5e27d13a7be09958eb62ac819b12f648104544e9.jpg

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I love that responding to you is trying to have the last word.

    You’re a true keyboard warrior, Leroy.

  • Xavier 22

    Don’t worry. Jeffy will not be the next GM. He’ll be the next owner.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    yea we aren’t hoping one player does it, we are hoping on ALOT OF PLAYERS, lolol

  • Taskmaster4450

    It is that exact mindset that caused the pathetic results by the Mets over the last 20 years. Yet let us focus upon ticket sales. Are you a Wilpon or do you just drink their kool-aid?

    Sure lets sign Morales so a few more tickets are sold. In the meantime, the Mets release Ike who signs cheap with another team and goes on to a monster year. He parlays that into a nice long term contract which has him hitting bombs for a number of years. Meanwhile in Flushing., Morales breaks down giving the Mets a portion of one year and giving up a pick.

    Sorry, we have seen this story before.

  • Bromancer

    A mind clouded by affluenza.

  • RyanF55

    I think I speak for most of us when I say we can care less what that punk silver spoon Jeffy thinks. I honestly hate this guy…his smug look, his arrogance, his sense of entitlement and ignorance to the fan base. He’s a horrible owner, and once Fred isn’t around, the thought of him having complete control is even scarier than the awful situation now. I knew ironworkers who built Citi Field and spoke of how much of a jerk he was to everyone during construction, ranting and throwing tantrums like a 9 year old at Toys R Us. Even outside the lack of success on the field, he doesn’t seem to be a good person outside of baseball.

  • Justin Anthony

    Probably the same thing

  • Hodges14

    It would probably be in everyone’s best interests if Jeff and Fred just run in the opposite direction any time someone holding a microphone or video camera approach them.

  • omar minayass

    no, a good team would boost sales. you can’t produce a good team without major league talent, something this team immensely lacks.

    bringing another 1-2 veterans into the team right now would not automatically increase ticket sales (at least not substantially) but it’s an investment for the future. i can’t believe this is something that needs to be explained on a sports/baseball blog. you cannot build for the future without investing in the present.

  • omar minayass

    on a side note, i think we’ve seen the end of the wilpon interviews on WFAN. looks like ESPN will be their only form of communication moving forward.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Astounding that a guy whose entire career is in sportswriting, who has such a high self-opinion, wouldn’t ask a basic follow-up like that.

  • Alex68

    Wilpon deflected questions about signing Stephen Drew and where the Mets were financially, but expects this team to play meaningful games in September with or without Drew.”

    When other teams are trying to secure a spot in the playoffs and you get an opp to beat them to make them miss the playoffs even though you’ve been out of it since June, those games are too consider meaningful games.

    #GoodLuckIn2014

    Come out and root these young guys on”

    “Yeah, that’s not saying come to the park and support our finances… GTFOH!

  • astoriacub

    way to stay classy dude

  • Keith’s stache

    EXACTLY!!. I still remember his ad back in the late 80s..”People say I’m controversial, and you know what? They are right.” Lupica, get “controversial” with Wilpons.

  • astoriacub

    For what it’s worth, I agree. Better days aren’t far off.

  • The only wild card that Jeffy may see will lead him to confidently bet all of his chips on his poker hand and lose whatever little money he and daddy had left.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    Stop with the freaking Plan! We all know that the Plan is to not spend money because they’re broke. Everything else is a result of that fact, and not some freaking plan.

  • Andrew Herbst

    You have to love when your owner’s goal for the season is to play .500 ball till August.

  • Taskmaster4450

    And what happened after those two “near” misses? Oh the teams collapsed for years afterwards.

    That is what occurs in a boom/bust cycle. Spend on big name major league talent who, many times, is past their prime, and watch them collapse a couple years later when age takes its toll.

    Of course, if they had a farm system of any kind over the 20 years you are describing, there might have been some talent to fall back upon.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Do not be so sure of that.

    Jeff has a lot of Jerry Jones in him.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Isn’t that what Sandy is here correcting? Now we have a top 10 farm system so if they can spend money again, we will have the farm system we didn’t have to go along with FA additions.

    So how can this direction be bad?

    I know, I know. Wilpons Wilpons Madoff Collins Wilpons.

  • Anthony

    We are doomed

  • 86xelA

    *bash, bash, bash* C’mon he didn’t say anything bad

  • Anthony

    He didn’t say anything good either

  • Anthony

    I don’t know who I dislike more Wilpon or lap dog lupica

  • Nice. Our business plan matches what one looks to when they or a close one have a bad disease or things are bleak. Maybe it sounds about right.

  • Hodges14

    Perfect summation of the last 5 years.

  • Hodges14

    I have to add this. I admire the job that Alderson has done with his spin campaign. He actually has a decent percentage of fans believing there is more to this than the owners being broke. In fact some of the fans have gone so far as to believe that losing is a good thing.

  • Hodges14

    Worse yet, there are fans that agree with him. They have done such a spectacular job at lowering expectations that some fans are happy that the team played mediocre baseball for a portion of the 2013 season.

  • DrDooby

    Jeff Wilpon actually started to studder when the Drew question came up. He sounded alright before and after but totally lost it re: Drew.

  • mad met

    I wish this tool box would just shut his trap for once….. It’s bad enough this is the team u are fielding . Don’t rub everyone’s face in it that it’s a 500 team at best. Here’s to the year of hope. .we hope Travis plays well we hope c young plays well. Some of us hope Juan even plays. And the rest of us hope for new FO And owner

  • elsid1986

    Since they have no results they can show the fans , all they do is talk about plans, and tomorows. From Wilpon, to Alderson to DePodesta to Collins…….Nothing but a bunch of used car salesman.

  • elsid1986

    But he is talking about the almight PLAN. All is well.

  • elsid1986

    What should he have said? How about we will do EVERYTHING possible to be in contention in mid September. We are not satisfied. Thats what winners say. Guys content and striving for mediocrity say what he said.

  • elsid1986

    As opposed to you who drink the Sandy cool aid of “winning the last few years or in the near future is not the goal because we want to win in 2018.;

  • elsid1986

    Thye are used car salesman. Nothing more.

  • Hodges14

    Never been a big fan of Lupica for exactly the reason you list. He reminds me of his arrogant predecessor Dick Young.

  • Hodges14

    Jeff subscribes to the Peter La Fleur philosophy on goals:

    “I found that if you have a goal, that you might not reach it. But if you don’t have one, then you are never disappointed. And I gotta tell ya… it feels phenomenal.”

  • elsid1986

    But don’t you know? They are saving money so they can add payroll at the deadline!!!! LOL.

  • Andrew Herbst

    That sums up his philosophy in a nutshell.

  • Name

    Can you explain why after a Ponzi Scheme, people as finantially insecure as these doofs still own a team?
    Let’s hope the new comissioner can get things done around here.

  • BehindTheBag

    America…what a country!!

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    You made a minor typo…you forgot to put the word “Head” before “Young”.

    😉 Youre welcome

  • Super T

    What kind of drugs is Jeff Wilpon on if he truly believes this team can contend for the wild card right now without making any more moves? This roster is 85% the same as last year that won 74 games.

  • Courtney Travis

    I have one thing to say ?

  • My “favorite” part (around 3:45):

    Lupica (question from a Mets fan he knows): “You have a new ballpark, you have your own network, the same as the Yankees. Are you ever going to be close to competing with them financially (if anybody can)??”

    Jeffy: “You know what?? I’d rather compete with how much we make versus competing with them…the way they do things. They do it their way because it works for them. We doing it our way because it works for us. I don’t think there’s any right or wrong here. We put Sandy in charge….spin spin spin…”

    Hank: Really Jeffy?? Really?? REALLY?!?! You’d rather compete on how much you make?? That’s wrong on at least 17 levels. One of which is we know you’re billionaires and we could care less about how much MORE you make. And this idea of it works for us. You didn’t say it will work for us…so for me…that eliminates any “future” spin that came out of your mouth after. You said this way…pocketing SNY revenues, having a bottom third payroll, leaving the Mets out to dry while you pad your pockets…it WORKS for you. Mrs. Bivins taught me that is present tense. It works for you NOW. Wow. Just when I think we can’t be more possibly screwed…Jeffy strikes again.

  • BronxMets

    wow they are not billionaires that’s for starters………he was referring to the fact that the Yankees rarely made much money. they pretty much always reinvested everything back into the brand.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Joe D.,

    Since nobody has thought highly of Jeff Wilpon’s baseball intelligence in the past, no one should put credence into any of his explanations now.

    Did he mention the reason we played so well during that stretch of 2013 when we were all in tact was because we were aided by the hot John Buck (16 rbis in July) and Marlon Byrd (36 in June and July) along with EYJ who had a high OBP during that time before it fell to below .300 and that Juan Lagares was hitting above .300 for two months and wound up at .243? And all during that time Harvey was leading a pitching staff that was pitching quite well.

    “We believe in Sandy’s plan. We believe where we’re going. We believe that we have young guys that are going to step up. It’s not like we are relying on one player who we hope does it, we have a bunch of guys.”

    And what is that plan and who are those guys who are going to step up? Byrd is gone so Granderson only replaces him. Lagares might be sent to the minors. EYJ also has to fight for a regular job. Chris Young hit .200 and cannot hit right handed pitching. Neither Davis or Duda have shown signs of meeting the potential they exhibited their rookie years with pitchers being able to exploit Ike’s mechanics and Lucas becoming more passive a hitter. Only credible hope is that with more experience under his belt, d’Arnaud can begin to hit major league pitching.

    –“Hope isn’t the best business plan, but that’s where we are right now.”–

    For all his shortcomings, those might be the first really deep and profound words we’ve heard coming from Jeff Wilpon’s lips for it does gives his assessment of Sandy Alderson’s “rebuilding” vision – “hope”.

    “Hope” is defined as wanting something to happen, not “planning” for something to happen. That is what all of us in the “core” have been professing for years. The moves Sandy has allowed his baseball people to take – and not take – no matter what the reason and who or what was responsible (no blame game here) the bottom line is that for all his hype and spin there was no plan other than the fiscal survival of Sterling Mets.

  • jason bay

    Joey,

    During a significant portion of the last 100 games in which we played .500 we were without Niese, Harvey, Wright, Byrd, Buck and Parnell.

    Injuries do occur but the fact that played .500 for the last 62% of the season with all of them is significant don’t you think?

    Then you have to keep in mind that half the payroll belonged to Santana and Bay and we didn’t have Granderson, Young and Colon, not did we have Montero, deGrom, Walters, Syndergaard and Puello likely to get up here and TDA and Flores hopefully getting their legs under them.

    There are lots of reasons to be excited about this teams future but you seem to be the eternal pessimistic type.

    Open your eyes, take a deep breath and get your sunglasses ready the future is looking pretty bright.

  • Bail4Nails

    The new comissioner’s name? Sandy Alderson. Yikes.

  • Bail4Nails

    JayBay, you count Young as an asset?

  • Joey D.

    Jason,

    Already discussed that in length. We have to focus on when the Mets played their best ball and the reasons behind that. We know why they could not sustain it – the injuries. But if the injuries did not occur, then what?

    Will Lagares hit over .300 for the year or closer to.243? Will EYJ have an OBP around .320 or way below .300 which was the case the last two months of the year after he came down to earth? Will Curtis Granderson replace Byrd and drive in 36 runs in two months (maybe). Will Travis hit .267 and do so in clutch situations like Buck did to drive in 16 runs in a month which would mean close to 100? If the Mets play like they did during that stretch, they will win over 90 games.

    Not expecting them to do that but the reasons they played so well when they were at full strength are those that have to be addressed, not simply saying they played a game over .500 despite injuries at the end. We played our best ball when we did have Harvey, Niese, Wright, Byrd, Buck and Parnell.

    So I am not at all looking at the team when it was injured. I am looking at the team when it was playing at it’s best. And what did I see? Good things. Yes. Good things – despite being carried by Buck and Byrd who are no longer on the team or EYJ and Lagares hitting and/or getting on base above their talent capabilities. What were those good things?

    That with decent hitting, we have the pitching to do something. We have developed the pitching that could sustain us with decent run scoring -which, at that time, was not the best in the league but simply on par with the league.

    So that should have been an indication that we are ready and should try and get the hitting not just to replace Byrd but to improve it tremendously. As mentioned, it’s a hope but I think Tejada can come back and fill in at short. It’s first base and left field that we should have focused on with real bats – all we did was get one-half of left field problem resolved with CY. With two more bats in the lineup then we don’t have to worry about Lagares not hitting .300 or EYJ having a .320 OBP. With d’Arnaud picking up at the plate even if he doesn’t come through in the clutch as Buck did during that period, he would be more consistent throughout the year and so we don’t have to worry about catching. With Granderson we will loose the overall base hits we got from Byrd after his slow start but it’s still a major league bat with power.

    If we tried going down that path, I would be passing out sun glasses to everyone.

    Again Jason, I’m looking at the specifics that caused us to play so well and that we do not have those elements to do it again this year. I’m not looking at the end of the season. I’m looking at the
    positive points of it instead and finding that we still need to put “payroll concentration” ahead of concentrating on more hitting. Not a blame game as it is simply acknowledging things for the way they are – rather than making excuses or seeing things through rose colored glasses.

    You know as well as I do this organization does not have the financial ability to concentrate on getting those missing elements, even with Santana and Bay having come off the books. If one wants to include the vacated spot by Byrd, that meant literally four starting positions to be filled (1B, SS, LF and RF) plus a starting pitcher to replace Harvey. It would take more than $42 million to get five decent players, considering $31 million (roughly 75%) of that was concentrated on just half of them (Colon, Granderson and CY being half the LF platoon). For other organizations in a mid to big size market, that type of investment would not be a problem, but for us, it is.

  • jason bay

    Joey,

    How could they sustain it the season ended.

    We played .500 ball the last 100 games of the year while missing key parts for significant stretches of that time frame. (Wright, Niese, Parnell, Harvey, Buck and Byrd). Plus Santana and Bay were using up half of the payroll and obviously didn’t help at all.

    We will also (presumably) have Wheeler, Lagares, Flores, TDA, German, Edgin, Familia, Mejia, Young Jr., Granderson, Young and Colon for a full year and Walters, Montero, deGrom, Leathersich, Mazzoni, Goedell and Puello could be up as well.

    Doesn’t all that sound SIGNIFICANTLY better than last year?

  • jason bay

    Yeah, I think Young adds something. Not like a Yelich, Myers, Pederson or Polanco but Certainly better than a Nick Evans, Jeremy Reed, Chris Carter, Jeff Francouer, Jesus Feliciano, Cory Sullivan, Trot Nixon, Ricky Ledee, Gary Matthews Jr., Arias, Fern, Pridie, Cowgill, Ankiel…..

  • chago

    “Hope isn’t the best business plan, but that’s where we are right now.”

    That about sums it up Jeffy , if you have any HOPE of ever seeing me at Citi again you better put a competitive team on that field !

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I love that you have an idea of what he should have said while @Hodges14:disqus seems to think they should win first, then talk.

    Seems like no one is happy no matter what he says.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    If you’re curious, it’s okay if you stay at home and not root for the team.

    I realize five years of losing is tough, but you can be an Astros fan if you want to know what losing is really like.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    The Mets are not the Yankees. Welcome to Earth. Nice to meet you. You know who else isn’t the Yankees? Every other team in baseball. What has the spending got the Yankees? One WS in the last fourteen years. Super amazing considering all their spending.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    So, because we haven’t won since 2006, they should be forced to sell?

    Try being a Pirates or Astros fan. I don’t think you know what losing really is.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Good point?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    They didn’t spend money this offseason?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I realize prospects are prospects, but you really don’t care about the job Sandy’s done bringing the farm from the mid-twenties to the top ten? Sprinkle that in with FA spending and they have the makings on something good.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I’m sure you were anti Wilpons in 2000 and 2006.

    It’s a “what have you done for me lately” game.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    It would probably be better for you to actually have that happen before you make up bs scenarios.

  • elsid1986

    No the Mets aren’t the Yankees. Apparently now they are the KC Royals

  • elsid1986

    Never said that I didn’t care. But when does this entire organization stop talking about plans and prospects and actually produce results?. Or is it sufficient to you that they continue to talk about the plan, that has the ever changing target date?

  • elsid1986

    If all Jeff is going to tell us is that he hopes for .500 which is essentially mediocrity, then how can the fans expect anything different?

  • Hotstreak

    The weather forecast is partly sunny or partly cloudy. No playoff team again but could be .500. Again you forgot no Harvey this year. Bring an umbrella but carry the sun glasses too. Weather in Metsville is damp with enthusiasm because of all the rain we recently had.

  • The Wilpons are not billionaires?? Wow. Even with the hit their net worth took…if they would sell SNY, the Mets and all their real estate holdings…they will will reap billions upon billions. But that’s besides the point.

    As for your Yankees bit…the Yankees realize that building the brand is how to really make money in baseball; check out the team’s worth versus the Mets. Worrying about balancing your budget year to year…at the cost of the MLB product…is shortsighted and financially idiotic. Building the MLB product while keeping and growing the fan base is done by having a quality MLB product; this in turn builds and keeps the brand…and that’s they key to long-term sustainability. All the momentum won back in the early 2000s has been squandered because of short-sighted thinking.

  • Name

    I didn’t say anything about losing. I talked about money and a lack of it. They should be forced to sell because they don’t have money. Notice what happened to the Dodgers and how they were forced to sell. That’s what I was saying.
    I don’t think you know what listening really is.

  • I think you missed the question. No one was asking the Mets to have the Yankees history or tradition. The question was not posed in yesterday, but in today. With your own network, new ballpark, and residing in the country’s largest market are you ever going to come close to competing with them financially?? And the answer is we only care in how much we make. That’s not what I want to hear.

    I could care less if they spend as much as the Yankees. I just don’t want to hear how it’s all about how much money the Wilpons make. I’d rather hear…we want to compete on the field. We want to win on the field. We are working to win on the field. Not the first thing out of the owner’s mouth…we care about how much we make. SMH.

  • BronxMets

    Part 1 – Learn the difference between actually being worth a billion and having assets that are leveraged that are worth a billion. Those are two totally different things. If they sold SNY they would have a couple dollars left over. Second once again listen and learn. Building the brand is a good idea as it builds the NET WORTH of the asset, that will put money in your pocket WHEN YOU SELL. Assuming you do not have large debt against it which I do not believe the Yankees do. The Mets are interested in turning a profit to either put in their pockets or burn who knows. There fore they do not dump every penny back into the product. probably because THEY ARE NOT SELLING.  Lesson over

  • joeythew

    That’s the problem, it’s always been about playing “meaningful” games in September – it’s never about winning anything. For once I’d like the ownership group to say WE WILL WIN THE WORLD SERIES THIS YEAR. And than do everything possible to back-up that prediction.

  • Joey D.

    Jason,

    I said – and said it many times – I saw many good points about last season when we played 30-22 and dismissed the last 47 games when we went 20-27 for an overall record of 50 and 49. We were injured and I said that was not the real Mets. What more can one say?

    And how should one evaluate it? How does one look at what went into the good stretch and the bad stretch to get a clearer picture of where the team stands? It’s not so simple saying players were injured when one looks more closely into the situation.

    1) PITCHING: How much did the loss of Harvey, Niese and Parnell contribute to the 20-27 record that did not enable us to continue playing anywhere resembling that .577 clip (which became .425?

    Well, our pitching still held up it’s end during that 20-27 streak.
    It gave up four runs or less 34 of it’s last 47 games. So it wasn’t our pitching that couldn’t sustain the drive. If anything, we learned how good it was despite the loss of Harvey and Parnell at the end, just as we did the loss of Niese during that hot month of July.

    2) HITTING: Specifically, Wright, Byrd and Buck contributed tremendously to that hot 52 game streak and were not there for the remaining 47 in which we faltered.

    Well, David is returning which is a plus and Byrd is being replaced
    by Granderson which is also a plus. So with Murphy that gives us three dependable bats. What about the rest?

    Lagares hit over .300 for June and July. EYJ leading off had a .364 OBP for July sandwiched between late June and early August. What else?

    Have referred to professional evaluations of the mechanical flaws in Davis, Duda, Lagares (thanks to Mitch) and Chris Young (through the internet) to show that they will not be the hitting solutions. Indicated how the increased strike out potential in the line up could hurt us even more. Brought out the flaws in the hitting approach based on hunting for a pitch determined on pitch count rather than determined on the pitcher and how he throwing before one comes up to the plate.

    Because d’Arnaud was called up after being out most of the last two seasons, 2013 was simply getting his feet wet so even his .194 August and .206 September averages cannot be considered reflective of his potential. But he is still an unknown quantity and we do not know sustain throughout the season Buck’s .267 average and the ability to drive in runners like Buck did (16 in July).

    We might see a resurgent Tejada because his problems had to do with being out of shape physically which did lead to speculation about his motivation (who knows the real background about that one).

    So the pitching and it’s potential to improve does have me optimistic – I have never held back my enthusiasm for that. So having Wheeler for a full season, Colon and the new additions doesn’t add to the solution for pitching, though it could be improved, is not our major problem and as I have shown, last season it was more than reliable as long as there was middle of the road run production to back it up.

    So again, what about that hitting? Granderson makes up for Byrd. Chris Young is a big improvement only against left handed pitching (one out of every three games most likely). Eric is a weak hitter whom is really less disciplined a hitter than we saw during his hot streak and just cannot get on base which makes his speed worthless. Puello does not look promising to the brain trust, especially after the Biogenisis connection with his increased figures and his tremendous failure in winter ball. We do not know what Flores can do and at this point I share the opinion with others (for what it’s worth, obviously) that perhaps Wilmur should be given a shot at first base because of what was brought out by so many regarding the flaws in both Davis and Duda’s mechanics.

    So the ones that I look forward to seeing I’m glad we have but unfortunately they do not address the issues that will turn us into anything beyond a .500 club not just this season but for the next few seasons as well like the early seventy Mets. Even if they are able to turn our pitching staff into one of top staffs in the league, would that be enough to carry us through to better times like it wasn’t for the aforementioned Mets of the early seventies as well?

  • jason bay

    Joey,

    Position players of TDA, Recker/Centeno, Ike, Duda, Satin, Flores, Murphy, Tejada, Wright, Granderson, Lagares, Young, Young Jr., MDD, with Puello, Tovar Muno and Lawley in the wings is not terrible.

    It has the potential to score more runs than average and one thing being overlooked is that it also has the potential to SAVE runs.

    93 times the Mets gave up more runs than average (4 or more) and 73 times they gave up 5 or more. 46 times they gave up 6 runs or more. Think about it, 28% of the games the opposition scored SIX RUNS OR MORE! so the idea that it’s ALL on the hitting is crazy and our hitters can help the pitching staff reduce runs against as well.

    Our OF defense has done a complete 180. Duda, Cowgill, Byrd has become Granderson/Young Jr, Lagares/MDD, Young.

    Pitching on the way to help where you claim we don’t need any in Familia, Mejia, deGrom, Montero, Walters, Syndergaard, Leathersich and Mazzoni with Wheeler and Colon for a full year (hopefully) is practically a whole pitching staff in and of itself that we got very little of last year.

    That should give us a much better chance of winning by improving the pitching.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Jason,

    You know what you just did with your pitching analysis – you left me with much less hope than the little bit I had beforehand.

    Why? For that doesn’t take anything away from the problem most of us agree we have with run scoring – it only means we have even more problems because the pitching wasn’t as good as I thought it was.
    What I saw as a positive – showing what our pitching staff can do with just decent hitting was not therefore representative of the “real” Mets. Not only was their hitting based on hot streaks from Byrd, EYJ, Lagares and Buck, but then so was their pitching.

    Then I cannot look to the period in which we were 30-22 – with anything to build on because the pitching and the hitting both happened to catch on fire at the same time.

    No, I don’t think so.

    And why?

    Because the figures given is a misuse of stats, with a very superficial explanation with no further detailed vetting to put them into more proper perspective regarding the team’s overall development as the season went on.

    One thing is that our pitching allowed FOUR runs or less (earned and unearned) 31 out of it’s last 42 games (74% of the time). And, when we were for the most part without our ace and our closer, that figure was 17 out of our last 19 games (89%).

    But that is only small potatoes compared to the overall bigger picture.
    Much more important. When you mention we gave up six or more runs 46 times, do you also mention that 25 (54%) of those came within our first 62 games? That over the last 100 games, when Wheeler replaced the great Shaun Marcum, and when we lost Niese during most of that 30-22 stretch, and when Harvey and Parnell went down the last month or so, we gave up six or more runs JUST 21 TIMES (21%)? So again, just like the hitting which I broke down using statistics ONLY TO BACK UP WHAT I HAD OBSERVED, I suggest you modify your analysis of our pitching so to actually feel better about it.

    Of course, the pitching can be improved. But the point is that the staff showed that with decent hitting support, it can sustain itself with that and win. It is not as you say “so the idea that it’s ALL on the hitting is crazy and our hitters can help the pitching staff reduce runs against as well.” and that is why I am baffled by the use of the stats in the manner you did.

  • Um ok. They’re not billionaires but they have assets worth billions, but they’re not to be considered billionaires because only their assets are worth billions?? Wow. Oh and not to mention the windfall coming from development right around Citi gifted them by the city of New York. They’re billionaires.

    As for them being interested in turning a profit “…to either put it in their pockets or burn who knows…”?? That’s my greater point. I could care less about them getting richer; I’d like to have a good MLB team.

  • BronxMets

    hey you want to be ignorant go right ahead.

  • jason bay

    Joey,

    You should not be baffled because as you know very well Wheeler will be here all year and Marcum won’t be at all. Doesn’t that project to improve the pitching?

    How about Familia, Mejia, deGrom, Montero, Syndergaard, Walters and Leathersich. Their not likely to do more for the parent team than they did last year?

    One never knows about health and we’ve already taken a hit with Harvey but hopefully Niese and Parnell be healthy and again it is significant that we played .500 even with all the injuries the last 100 games (62%) of the year and Colon may help too and how ’bout that OF defense?

  • Joey D.

    Jason,

    Now I am baffled a second time.

    I asked how you could be so precise breaking down draft pick after draft pick to show how teams that kept their first and second round selections and scouted properly led to long-term success yet at the same used such generalities figures about Met pitchers to emphasize that too much is being made of our lack of hitting than of our pitching. There was no looking further into the progression of the pitching staff as the season progressed which is the all important factor to look at with a young club and with accessing it’s future development and for some reason that was completely overlooked when making your point – only how the team performed for the entire season.
    So that is why I am even further baffled now. It is as if it I was the one who brought up the fact that we gave up six runs or more 46 times and that doing so 28 percent of the time indicated we HAVE pitching problems which STILL HAVE to be addressed. Or that I did not the mention that 25 of those performances came in the first 62 games AND ONLY 21 times in the last 100 outings . OR EVEN MORE that in their last 42 contests – without the aid of their ace and closer for the most part – they gave up four runs or LESS (earned and unearned) 31 times.

    I believe I demonstrated how the Mets had proved their pitching had already developed nicely and that especially during the time in which we played our best stretch of baseball (which was without Niese) they showed with decent run scoring to support them, the Mets could hold their own with other clubs – and that with those coming up it would only be better. Thus the emphasis should be on improving our hitting attack to support the pitching we have for pitching was not our problem.

    So what was the purpose of saying our pitchers took us out of the game 46 times last year in reply to how I pointed out how much our success – both in playing a game over .500 when injuries set in and at .577 when the pitchers got that hitting support (with only David Wright and Curtis Granderson replacing Byrd returning with the other hitting elements that lifted us – EYJ, LaGares and Buck – no longer a part of the team and we still have problems at short and first). Or that we still gave up four or less runs over their last 42 games, another great sign?

    I’m baffled about why such negativity was raised and why it now suddenly appears as if it was never mentioned?

  • jason bay

    Joey,

    I’m not following your point(s)

    My points are very simple.

    Our pitching over the entire season should be much improved. (Reasons noted above)

    Our OF defense should be much improved. (Reasons noted above)

    Our hitting should be much improved (Reasons noted above)

    Therefore one can surmise that our entire team should be much improved.

  • Joey D.

    Jason,

    Somebody was saying that the pitching had progressed tremendously as the season went on and showed it could hold it’s own even with the loss of it’s ace and closer at the end. And that it was only apt to be better this season. And that the reason for the losses was due not to pitching letting us down – as another individual brought up – but because of the lack of hitting support.

    So when showing how pitching was our strength it was again repeated that more emphasis should be placed on improving the hitting. But then, came up negative comments to infer that pitching let us down as much last season as did hitting. Why else would something like the following be emphasized and taken out of proportion to say that our pitching staff needs to reduce giving up runs as well?

    “93 times the Mets gave up more runs than average (4 or more) and 73 times they gave up 5 or more. 46 times they gave up 6 runs or more. Think about it, 28% of the games the opposition scored SIX RUNS OR MORE! so the idea that it’s ALL on the hitting is crazy and our hitters can help the pitching staff reduce runs against as well.”

    As opposed to this:

    “So I am not at all looking at the team when it was injured. I am looking at the team when it was playing at it’s best. And what did I see? Good things. Yes. Good things – despite being carried by Buck and Byrd who are no longer on the team or EYJ and Lagares hitting and/or getting on base above their talent capabilities. What were those good things?

    “That with decent hitting, we have the pitching to do something. We have developed the pitching that could sustain us with decent run scoring -which, at that time, was not the best in the league but simply on par with the league.”

    “One thing is that our pitching allowed FOUR runs or less (earned and unearned) 31 out of it’s last 42 games (74% of the time). And, when we were for the most part without our ace and our closer, that figure was 17 out of our last 19 games (89%).

    But that is only small potatoes compared to the overall bigger picture. Much more important. When you mention we gave up six or more runs 46 times, do you also mention that 25 (54%) of those came within our first 62 games? That over the last 100 games, when Wheeler replaced the great Shaun Marcum, and when we lost Niese during most of that 30-22 stretch, and when Harvey and Parnell went down the last month or so, we gave up six or more runs JUST 21 TIMES (21%)?

    Of course, the pitching can be improved. But the point is that the staff showed that with decent hitting support, it can sustain itself with that and win. It is not as you say “so the idea that it’s ALL on the hitting is crazy and our hitters can help the pitching staff reduce runs against as well.” and that is why I am baffled by the use of the stats in the manner you did”

    – – Again, who came up with negative comments like “Think about it, 28% of the games the opposition scored SIX RUNS OR MORE! so the idea that it’s ALL on the hitting is crazy and our hitters can help the pitching staff reduce runs against as well.”
    to infer that we needed to concentrate as much on making moves to IMPROVE the pitching?

  • Joey D.

    Jason,
    That’s making a positive out of negative.

  • jason bay

    Joey,

    It’s really quite simple. The pitching wasn’t so hot until mid June or so, this year it should be much improved and right from the beginning of the year.

    To that you can add a very good defensive OF as opposed to a poor or mediocre one, an in shape Tejada, not waiting half a year trying to “get Ike going,” Lagares, Flores and TDA right from the beginning with a better idea of what to expect, EYJ for a full year plus Granderson and Young.

    .

  • Joey D.

    Jason,

    That is what I said about the pitching and that is what was being contradicted.

    My comments about Ike, Duda, TDA, both Youngs and Lagares were based on what had been reported about the flaws still there in their mechanics and those will be what will make or break them and this team, not having them for either a full year or expecting comebacks. As mentioned, we held the opponents run scoring down to the point that if we score a decent amount we can win. Raw talent means nothing without the refinement of one’s mechanics and mental approach.

    I have always agreed with you about Tejada and that if he gets himself back into shape and his head together (something had to cause him to allow himself to get so out of shape to begin with) that he could be quite dependable at short – hence why I don’t think short stop should have been our main focus and why if we able to spend some money now, it should not be on Drew but on a player like Kendreys. Not so many choices left, unfortunately.

  • jason bay

    I agree with the idea of giving 1B and SS one more year.

    1B should have someone or a combination of a couple from Ike, Duda, Satin, Flores or Murphy that is reasonable until we can choose between Boyd and the FA market.

    SS Tejada is more likely than not to get to .260/.330/.350 and if that includes durability and average defense we are OK there until we can upgrade and there is Tovar who is an above average glove at SS.

    Lets look at Seattle for a second Joey. These are the guys they got off early over the prior 20 years.

    Matt Thornton – LOOGY
    Randy Winn – CF
    Asdrubal Cabrera – SS
    Sinn Soo Choo – RF
    Brian Fuentes – Closer
    Rafael Soriano – Closer
    Tino Martinez – 1B
    Jeff Nelson – Crossover reliever/set up
    Omar Vizquel – SS
    Mike Hampton – LH Starting pitcher
    Adam Jones – CF
    David Ortiz – DH
    Derek Lowe – RH Starting pitcher
    Jason Varitek – Catcher

    There is a cautionary tale in there Joey as is one in our recent past with Izzy, Mora, Everett, Cruz, Bay, Kazmir, Bell, Gomez, Vargas, Smith, O’Day, Payton, Scutaro, Ochoa, Bannister, Lindstrom…..

    Remember patience is a virtue.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Jason,

    Yes, “patience is a virtue” but it is also said “he who hesitates is lost”. 🙂

  • jason bay

    Hi Joey,

    That wouldn’t be the case for the Mariners though huh?

  • Joey D.

    Got to admit it Jason, you’ve got a very good point there.

    I do not doubt for a minute that unlike Loria, the Mariner ownership is dedicated to bringing back a winning team to Seattle. But Cano for ten years? Only confirms what I’ve been saying, there’s obviously money being made in baseball and obviously Seattle felt it was in their long-term economic interests to enter into such a crazy agreement.

    Will be interesting to see how Cano is embraced out there and if after a while it becomes like ARod in New York – a growing resentment knowing he came to Seattle purely for the money and nothing more after they experience some of his great “hustle” like we had been treated to for many years.

    Hey, I’m getting on in years. Twice the past few days some people have extended their hands to help me cross the curb so I would not slip on the ice. Tonight after I thanked one he said he was fifty and would hope that when he reaches my age someone would do the same for him. Told him at that point I didn’t know whether I wanted to shake his hand or punch him in the jaw! LOL
    http://nypost.com/2013/06/03/broadcasters-quiet-as-yankees-cano-doesnt-hustle-again/

  • jason bay

    LOL, Joey,

    The indignities that we face as we get older huh?

    Curious about Cano myself and how he’ll do in the big stadium. Second basemen do not age well but Cano’s stick has been so much better than most. I see him eventually moving over to 1B in 4-5 years. It will be interesting to see how he does out there.

    Be careful on the ice young man!

  • Joey D.

    Hi Jason,

    Young man”?

    I think this might be the re-start of a beautiful friendship!