Collins Wants Players To Speak Up About Injuries

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After Terry Collins learned that Ike Davis played through an oblique injury for most of the season, as reported by Mike Puma of the NY Post, he addressed the matter this afternoon at Tradition Field in St. Lucie.

“There’s got to be a conversation. And then certainly it’s up to me to decide which way to proceed,” Collins said regarding whether injuries should be disclosed by players to Mets staff.

Regarding Davis specifically: “As I look back now, everything would have been better off had he said something, and certainly he’ll hopefully learn from it that he needs to speak up.”

“Guys deal with stuff in different ways,” Collins said. “Certainly, if you’re failing at what you’re supposed to be doing, something needs to be addressed. And if you feel it’s taking away from your game, you’ve got to say something.”

For Terry’s full comments, check out ESPN New York.

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  • MLBGM Fire TC

    ugh TC – I just don’t see him as a manager.

  • $14435385

    What a bunch of crap this all is. I understand the concept of off-the-record conversations, but if it was as much of a non-issue as Davis claimed in his retraction, why bring it up in the first place with a journalist, on or off the record? It comes off as whining, whether or not he expected his words to be printed…and the last thing Davis has any business doing after the last few years is whining. I can’t wait until this chapter is closed…

  • Biggle Boy

    Players do keep soreness to themselves, like Ike saying he initially felt tight in the oblique. But after the season you say it hurt, and then, “You can’t tell people stuff because you won’t play”. Hey, you hurt the team – and Satin could have played!

  • Peter S

    So much for “knowing” your players.

  • everybodysbuddy

    So did his injury cause his hands to drop and give him that hitch in his swing?

  • Agee’s Catch

    So you want a player who is watching his career and financial future flash before his eyes be honest about an injury? how naive…

  • Agee’s Catch

    You have to protect #1.

  • WillisReid

    If his BA is at the Mendoza line it would probably help his cause more than hurt it.

  • I honestly don’t want to read the full comments because he’s trying to do what he should have done years ago. It’s Ike, so he is treated differently than all the others, including the Captain of this ship, who played through injuries and made things worse.

  • WillisReid

    I’m sure after last season and the events of this past winter, this is probably not how Ike wanted to start his 2014 season.

    Even Adam Rubin, who has been projecting Ike to be the teams starting 1B all winter, now thinks it’s likely Davis will be traded.

  • Joanie Yan

    Harvey kept his elbow soreness to himself before his eventual MRI.

  • CJM

    Elbow soreness?

  • Joanie Yan

    I corrected it, but he still tried to pitch through it.

  • Sylow59

    I didn’t bother to read the post but just mark me down as taking the opposite position to prove how much of a Met fan I am. Perhaps I will call someone associated with the team a moron; perhaps not.

  • BigAl831

    I can’t wait till games start.

  • WillisReid

    Love these.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    Puma found out about it through another player and asked Davis for confirmation. And Davis may claim now that it was a non-issue, but he may not be the best judge of that– clearly the expected/desired results weren´t there last year, and that hurt the team.

  • Metsaholic

    Why don’t players say point blank, “I don’t discuss injuries with the media.”

  • BarnRat

    In fairness to Wright, the way he made things worse was by possibly missing more time than he needed to. While he was on the field, he wasn’t preventing healthy, superior replacements from carrying the load. Argument is a bit different with Ike — even if he’s the starting 1st baseman, he isn’t far enough above replacement that playing injured helps. Which, of course, would be why he was reluctant to speak up.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    What healthy, superior replacements was Ike blocking?

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    there has to be a relationship between manager and player. Like I have said in many posts, regarding a manager being a parent, teacher, or priest. Weather its a soft hand or tough love. Weather its about hitting, defence or their home issues messing with their head. A guy who blows rainbows and says yes to everything isn’t what I would want.

  • Benny

    They knew about his forearm tenderness.

    “Alderson said Monday that Harvey had been getting preventative treatment on his elbow since Spring Training, though he did not have any abnormal pain just some “forearm tightness.” There was no indication of tenderness in the elbow until after his last start. Nevertheless, “He’s been treated for forearm issues for some time,” the GM said.”

  • RyanF55

    Correction: Players need to stop lying and making up excuses for pathetic performances a year prior (Davis). Or how about a training staff that ensures players actually stay healthy by properly evaluating them? If Ike really had an oblique injury, the teams medical staff should know.

  • BarnRat

    If he was really hurt, then I’d assume either Satin or Duda, or really a platoon, would have a better chance to perform than Ike. (I won’t get into the Murphy debate here.) Whatever criticisms we have of the 1B position, aren’t they close enough in production that we don’t want the injured one on the field?

  • Sylow59

    Thank you. I’m here all week.

  • RyanF55

    Real knee-slapper.

  • You’d think if you were hurt AND hurting the team…that’ be enough to get treatment and take some time on the DL. Nope. Not all all apparently.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I thought TC would have been put more on top of these things. He should know to handle these situations after being in baseball for 44 years.

  • pastline63

    TC speaks and acts more like a lame duck manager than a manager under contract. He has moments where he seems clear, but he goes off the beaten path, and has you wondering WTF is up with him. I want to have faith in him because as a fan he is the manager of Mets, but to me he is a yes man that has just thrown his arms up in the air screaming who gives a crap, what next Ike. or whoever.

  • Why Ike Davis didn’t say he was hurt.

    Collins behind closed doors: Look guys, if you are hitting/pitching well then I don’t want to hear about any injuries. Man up and play through the pain. But, if your bringing the team down with your poor hitting/pitching then please speak up and be a team 1st player so I can DL you and try using another person in your place.

  • BehindTheBag

    Collins wants players to speak up about their injuries…and I want a manager who will bench someone who spends more than a month below the Mendoza line.

    Genie, make this happen!!

  • pastline63

    Sorry but a young Barbara Eden can’t fix this

  • BarnRat

    Sylow, if for no other reason than to prove your point, I’ll take the other side. We want posters to debate and disagree because we collectively get smarter. Doesn’t mean the original post has to be attacked, but good ideas can stand to get stress-tested… That said, I’m up-voting your comment because it adds to the discussion.

  • BehindTheBag

    You’re wrong.

    That’s all I got.

  • $14435385

    It was my understanding that Davis and Puma had an off-the-record conversation in which Davis brought up the injury, but if Puma was the aggressor that changes my mind a bit. Agree re: your last point.

  • BarnRat

    Hardly the first time, but OK if you want to let me know why

  • Remember all of the times that Cal Ripken Jr. played games despite his aches and pains? People hated him for that.
    Remember all of the people who admired Jay Bay for being sensible and sitting out whenever a sniffle came on? I remember the cheers of “Hey there goes a sensible, moderate guy”!
    So you’ll have to forgive Ike or any other pro athlete for hiding their injuries and playing through the pain.
    PS. I’ve been screaming for the Mets to dump him for about a year now.

  • BarnRat

    A young Barbara Eden can fix pretty much anything

  • pastline63

    I bow in agreement.

  • Destry

    Even though last year he clearly stated that he wanted his starting pitchers to “fight through the tough times”. He just doesn’t relate well to younger players. He needs to be more clear what he means, and it was well known Wright had a minor hamstring injury and he penciled him into the lineup everyday. Hey Collins, have you ever thought about paying attention to see if you can notice things like injuries to your players? Santana, Hefner, Mejia, Marcum, Harvey, Rice, Edgin & Parnell all had season ending surgeries, and Niese, Familia, Atchison, Wright, Davis, Duda, Tejada, Flores, Turner, & TDA all spent time on the DL with injuries. Isn’t it the managers job to manage workloads and keep your players fresh, healthy and on the field?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Like Wright standing on 2B last season holding his hamstring yet Collins kept him in there and 5 or 6 days later Wright was gone for 1/3 the season?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Yeah she straightened a lot of things out especially among the teenage boys.

  • Sylow59

    Name one person smarter after the Harvey post earlier today.

    Generally I would agree with you. But take a look at the negativity and the degree of debate.

    “I disagree” begets:

    You’re an idiot, moron, …

    You’re a Yankee fan

    You’re Jeffy

    You never one see the mostt vocal here ever say: i see your point. I’ve changed my thinking. I respect your opinion.

  • Sylow59

    On the Harvey thread the Moderator linked to an interview where Harvey basically said that to prove Harvey was a high maintenance prima dona.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Sure. It’s just, when I read the part that he was blocking “superior” replacements, I didn’t think of Duda and Satin.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Demotion not enough?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Wright is the leader on this team. If he says he can play, he plays. That’s who he is. I doubt he can’t talk his way onto the field.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I really doubt it.

  • 🙂 I don’t believe he would literally say that but if you ask me do I believe he thinks along these lines? Yes I do.

    I remember when Wheeler was too public about his soreness last season not sure if before or after Harvey was shutdown. But if I’m not mistaken Collins in so many words insinuated that if Wheeler wanted to pitch to tone down the talk about being sore.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Can’t say I recall that situation but I’ll take your word for it.

    Regardless, I have a hard time believing that a professional baseball manager, regardless or the talent on the team or who’s in the FO, would ever encourage his players to put themselves on the DL because they’re playing poorly.

  • Encourage might be too strong. Maybe hopeful. But I can see how that would be tough to believe. It was an SNY video interview if I recall. If I can track it tomorrow I’ll share the link for you.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Sounds good. If people want to be down on his managing, that’s one thing. But I can’t see something like that.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    In what way did he do that?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I don’t see how this comes back on Collins. Ike has to say something.

  • BarnRat

    You’re right. I should have made my “superior” comment clear that it was in the context of an existing injury to the starter.

  • Agee’s Catch

    if he wasn’t coming off a poor start in 2012, I’d agree. But two bad starts in a row have to have him second guessing every decision. Wouldn’t be surprised if he changed toothpaste or the direction of his toilet paper.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I know. I’m just making a joke about TC. Ike should have spoken up.

  • Hey ThatGuy I found the articles. I was wrong in that it wasn’t soreness that Wheeler was too public about but fatigue.

    Here is the article about him mentioning fatigue.

    “I’m a little tired,” the Mets rookie said before his team beat the Nationals 3-2 last night. “My velocity has dropped a little, obviously, [but] I’m learning to pitch at that level so next year when I come back
    and my velocity is good to go back up, I’m hoping I pick up where I am right now, command-wise.”
    http://nypost.com/2013/09/01/fatigue-catching-up-with-wheeler/

    Here is what Terry Collins said in the postgame.

    “I’ll tell you why we took him out: We were trying to watch his innings,” Collins said. “I also know what he’s saying in the papers about getting a little tired. I said, ‘You’ve got to be careful.’
    “He’s the one who came in after the sixth inning and said, ‘I want to go back out there.’ And I said, ‘Then stop telling everybody you’re tired and you will go back out there.’

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/76899/tc-tells-wheeler-to-zip-the-tired-talk

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Ohhhh yeah. I remember that. I sided with Terry there and I still do.