Collins Reminds Nieuwenhuis He’s Not Forgotten

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Terry Collins has recently made a point to tell Kirk Nieuwenhuis that, despite the additions of Curtis Granderson, Eric Young Jr. and Chris Young since the middle of last season and the impressive play by Juan Lagares, he is not an afterthought, according to Adam Rubin.

Nieuwenhuis hit .189/.278/.337 with 18 hits, 14 RBI’s and three home runs in 95 at-bats last season. He was not selected for a September call-up.

Rubin writes that Collins had this to say about his conversation with Nieuwenhuis on Tuesday:

“I said, ‘Listen, there’s a lot of talk about Curtis. And there’s a lot of talk about Chris and Lagares.’ I said, ‘Two years ago the talk was about you, and you fought some injuries — some bad injuries.’ You know, he hurt his shoulder very bad. Then he had the foot issue. I said, ‘Listen, you can still play. There’s a job here for Kirk Nieuwenhuis, but you’ve got to go and show us you’re the player that we all know you can be.”

If Nieuwenhuis, puts up similar numbers as he did in 2012 when he hit .252, with 12 doubles, seven home runs, and 28 RBI’s, he will be a needed bat off the bench and can add additional depth to the outfield situation.


  • Sylow59

    “If Nieuwenhuis, puts up similar numbers as he did in 2012 when he hit .252, with 12 doubles, seven home runs, and 28 RBI’s, he will be a needed bat off the bench and can add additional depth to the outfield situation.”
    In 315 PAs in 2012 he put up a 0.1 bWAR (and a 91 OPS+). Giving him 600 PAs projects to 0.2 bWAR. He has negative dWAR. He is not that good. He is an AAAA player. He is not depth, he is a warm body.

  • Hodges14

    Holy crap. Terry Collins has a major case of verbal diarrhea going on. Someone get him to a doctor quick. Get his mouth bandaged shut.

  • Hodges14

    Ignore everything Collins says for the next 6 months. He’s obviously been out too long in the Florida sun.

  • Biggle Boy

    Captain Kirk may just be one of the many minor league prospects who don’t make it at the ML level. No disgrace, if that turns out to be the case.

  • Taskmaster4450

    What is the excuse when he is NYC?

  • Hodges14

    The hot sun travels north with him in April.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I guess in Colorado and Minnesota last year it was brain freeze.

    With him it is always something.

  • Hodges14

    Kirk’s not forgotten… except last September when they forgot to call him up when rosters expanded.

  • Taskmaster4450

    No disgrace for him. He is still a better baseball players than 99% of the people who pick up a bat.

    What is a disgrace is for the organization (Collins if it is his call) to keep running these type of guys out there if there is better talent around.

    Kirk had a shot twice. He has little command of the strike zone and the major league pitchers took advantage of that. He swings at the high fastball which he cannot hit.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Well as we know with Collins, just because he says something, that doesnt mean the front office goes along with it. It seems as if Collins is always the last to know anything.

  • Sylow59

    They all do this. Remember Sparky Anderson saying that Kirk Gibson was the next Mickey Mantle?

  • Hodges14

    Difference was Anderson seemed to figure out how to win.

  • Sylow59

    and exactly how many games has he played during the 2014 regular season thus far?

  • DrDooby

    Nieuwenhuis should be a solid 5th outfielder. The only way he makes the roster figures to be that not both Ike Davis and Lucas Duda make it. I’d say he has a 50 % shot.

    If he’s 100 % physically, he can be a useful backup at all 3 OF spots and PH vs. some RHP. He could have a Rich Becker type career ( remember him ?)…

  • Hodges14

    He would be better off talking less.

  • Hodges14

    Nieuwenhuis is AAA insurance. He can be on call when one of the major league outfielders gets injured.

  • DrDooby

    He has proven he’s not good enough to start. But he may have a future as a backup OF and PH vs. RHP.

  • Hotstreak

    Is den Decker the forgotten man?

  • trevordunn

    Kirk who? he’s still on the roster?

  • mad met

    That would be andrew brown

  • Hotstreak

    We should have a yard sale with all 1B and OFer’s. 2B and 3B to some extent too. Even have three catchers at least. Plenty of pitchers both starting and RP. But SS where art thou?

  • Major Leagues, the final frontier.
    This is the journey of Captain Kirk.
    His career mission is to explore the strange world of MLB.
    To seek playing in MLB cities against MLB teams.
    To boldly go where no Nieuwenhuis has gone before.

  • Xavier 22

    Good thing Terry reminded him because quite honestly, I had forgotten all about him.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    If he didn’t have a bad habit chasing garbage, he wouldn’t be the forgotten man to begin with.

  • sperry

    Kirk was not forgotten because of injuries. He had a chance to start and showed he just wasn’t very good. But on this team of a million chances of course he’s still around.

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Kirk Gibson wasn’t chopped liver, either…

  • Biggle Boy

    Maybe MDD gets that call instead of Captain Zirk.

  • mr. belvedere

    his ceiling is a 5th OF because of being able to play all 3 OF positions and having above average athleticism and a little pop…but after adding EY last year and putting MDD on the 40 man roster and with guys like Vaughn, Puello, Ceciliani, Lawley and Tajeiron in AA and AAA…I really don’t know why he’s still on the 40 man roster…I’m guessing 3-4 of our minor league contract guys are going to make the team out of camp…Kirk and Lutz have to be roster casualities if so and both will definitely clear waivers

  • Joanie Yan

    He’ll never be a major leaguer – he wasn’t even that good in the minors . He’s turning 27 this year – time to cut ties with him and move on.

  • Sylow59

    Gibson wasn’t even in the same hemisphere as Mantle. And it was a quick reference. Matheny was touting To Wiggins on last spring everyone does this.

  • AJF

    No he is forgotten for a very good reason He STINKS!

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    I don’t deny the touting of players, just that Kirk Gibson and Captain Kirk are also not in the same hemisphere…

  • I forgot about him

  • I’m sorry, who were we just talking about???

  • Andrew Herbst

    I’d rather have Andrew Brown over Kirk.

  • Rocky Thompson

    I agree that Nieuwenhuis needs Ike Davis or Lucas Duda to be traded in order to make the team. I thought the single highlight of last season was Kirk’s 2 out bottom of the 9th HR against Marmol. Ron Darling has commented that none of Kirk’s skill stands out, but the more you see him the more you appreciate his game.

  • sunzabtches

    1) brown bats right, kirk is lefty
    2) brown blows

  • Cervant

    Kirk who?

  • Andrew Herbst

    Brown hit 7 homers last year in limited playing time. He would be a 25th man type guy. He’s better than Kirk.

  • Of course he’s not forgotten by Terry. He’s a veteran now. And being a veteran, you don’t even have to be better than your competition around here. SMH.

  • lareplus

    MDD and Kirk should be playing at AAA to hone their hitting skills. Both have some good tools and versatility, but if either want to be the 4th or 5th outfielder for a team they have to hit better. . .personally I like Kirk and I remember a couple of years ago people were rooting for him to be the centerfielder. Keep working Captain, give er all you got!

  • Destry

    Kirk can be a very nice 4th OF. He plays above average D at all three positions, can steal a base, and take a ball out of the yard. Man, I’d love to see him take off this year. He flat out crushed the ball coming up through the system.

  • Destry

    Kirk was very good in the minors. Before his shoulder injury cut his 2011 season short, he had an OPS over .900

  • Destry

    Kirk is better than Ceciliani, Lawley, Taijeron, Vaughn and arguably Puello. MDD is the better defender, but Kirk is a better hitter than MDD. You could certainly make an argument for Kirk over EY2 as well.

  • Destry

    Fangraphs had him at 0.6 in 2012 in 315 PAs and 0.5 in 108 PAs in 2013 because of his outstanding defense. He has a 1.0 fWAR in slightly over a half a season. That puts him at 2.0 over the course of a full season, which is starter territory. He was playing injured both years as well. He plays above average D, with speed on the basepaths, and extra base power. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has the numbers the front office is hoping they get from Chris Young.

  • Metstheory22

    If Kirk stays away from injuries at this point he can be a serviceable extra outfielder. He has left handed power, speed and plays all three spots in outfield.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    He just flatout lied to Kirks face lol

    Kirk was an ok hitter that K’d a lot…but after Hudgens got a hold of him and they tweaked his swing he fell off the planet and was a SUPER K MACHINE…I dont think he could hit off a T after Hudgens [Non]Midas Touch

    Kirk is definitely an afterthought…for him to get any consideration to play in the OF…not 1 BUT 2 players would have to go down to injuries…Fingers crossed that, that doesnt happen.

  • BronxMets

    Collins keeps saying these guys need to play like hew knows they can play? Did he see them play in a movie that we haven’t seen?

  • RyanF55

    Kirk was a nice story, but over extended playing time he looked completely over matched. The Mets have Young, Young, Granderson and Lagares already, so outside of major injuries I don’t see how he comes up. Collins consistently talks out of his rear end.

  • Destry

    OK. You have no evidence to back that up what so ever, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

  • Destry

    OK. So you don’t like Kirk. I get it. Nothing I stated was untrue.

  • Ju’Queveland “A’ight” Morris

    Captain K is more useless than ever.

  • joeythew

    I’ve always liked Nieuwenhuis even though I can’t spell his name to save my life.

  • VfJ

    Plenty of room on this team for anyone who can hit…
    Is Nieuwenhuis likely to rise to the opportunity…no…
    Collins is just doing his job trying to build up the kids confidence…

  • MiqueMetsFan

    I agree with you on this one. Injuries aside, Kirk just didn’t produce. He’s window of opportunity is even smaller now. His best bet is to go down to Vegas, rake, and then see what happens. Maybe the Mets will trade him for another prospect or bring him up to fill in for an injured outfielder.

    I liked Kirk a lot. I felt he had a lot of upside but he could never really get it going consistently. If Hudgens did mess up his swing then Kirk might be another player to be ruined by this hitting coach. I have not heard too many positive things about him.