Update: Alderson Clarifies Report On Future With New York

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Update Feb. 19th, 2014 2:45pm:

Sandy Alderson provided ESPNNewYork.com with some more information on last night’s New York Post report regarding his desire to remain Mets GM for another few years:

“That was a guess on the part of the writer and the source,” Alderson told ESPNNewYork.com. “I haven’t talked to anybody about that.”

“I have a contract that expires at the end of this year. My intentions might be irrelevant,” Alderson quipped.

Original Post Feb. 18th, 2014 8:00pm:

Going into his fourth season as GM, Sandy Alderson wishes to remain in New York “for two or three more years,” according to a Tweet by Mike Puma of the New York Post.

  • *gnashing of teeth!*
    *rending of garments!*

  • Super T

    Wonder how many more years Alderson & the Wilpons can continue with this “Rebuilding phase” we’ve currently had going on into its 4th season now.

  • jack

    sandy hasn’t bin great but he did get wheeler and syndergaard a huge part of thier future

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Meaningless. A quote from an unnamed 3rd party expressing his “belief”. If I heard it from Sandy’s mouth, that’d be different.

    Well – wait a minute…

  • Metsaholic

    I have no problem with this. In fact, the only thing which surprised me is that he was not signed to continue on already. Obviously the results are not what we want. I expected the infield to be changed up for this season. But as far as I’m concerned, he deserves another year for the R.A. Dickey trade alone. I think he deserves at least another 2 years to see the results of the rebuilt farm system.

    One thing this franchise had a reputation in, and that is winning with exciting pitching. The team is on the verge of perhaps forming it’s strongest pitching core ever. We are short on impact position players. But there may be a couple of guys who will be breaking into the majors by 2016. And I think we can expect a couple of impact trades this year and next. Combine that with one big established star free agent to go along with D.W. and franchise might be back on track to compete with the Nationals and Braves. But you know, I can understand fans who feel otherwise and ask the very simple question. Has the franchise chances been improved under Alderson? If not, he should be fired. If so, give him the extension.

  • Out of place Met fan

    problem is they only half committed to it to begin with, rebuild while “remaining competitive” – translation we will compete for the 10th overall pick.
    Should have went Houston route or Boston’s not in between.

  • CJM

    It takes, on average, 5 years to rebuild.

  • and TDA, Black, Buceres, Hererra, Smith. He’s made some mistakes but not nearly as terrible as some people want to pretend.

  • sperry

    Dealing with the Wilpons as a GM sounds awful, so more power to him

  • Drew

    Let’s call it how it is: The rebuild to nowhere.

    No playoffs in the last 7 years. Probably no playoffs in the next 10 years.

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Sandy’s done well leveraging aging assets into young gold. Unfortunately he has to cover for the shenanigans of the shysters who own this thing, which IMO has fractured his reputation.

  • Hotstreak

    Isn’t the commissioner’s office in New York. Rhetorical question that is why no question mark.

  • Mike Lloyd

    HA HA HA. Jeff is just dying to fire this guy. We all know it. Jeff doesn’t like sharing credit and being told no don’t touch…it’s not in his nature to NOT be allowed to play with his toys. As for Alderson, when was his last winning season as a GM? I thought so….

  • chago

    “And I think we can expect a couple of impact trades this year and next.”

    Be careful what you wish for I just read an article in the last week chronicling Richie’s trade history starting from his days as Oakland GM to present . They stated each trade gave all the details and then graded each one at the end gave an overall grade . Let’s just say it was not a very flattering conclusion.

  • chago

    No doubt if you lie for liars you become a liar also .

  • chago

    That has been my contention all along you either go all the way or don’t go at all.

  • Hotstreak

    Ha Ha hee hee a down vote for me.
    For no reason. Hide behind mommy’s apron strings.

  • chago

    As far as Met GM’s go there has only been one that I really liked and that was the bow tie . Before and after him have ranged from garbage to so so. Love to see the Wilpons take the money they pay the Three Stooges combine it and bring in a Jon Daniels or Theo Epstein a real PROVEN difference maker like the Bow Tie was .

  • Mike Lloyd

    Hysterical lol…Mommy’s apron strings indeed. Me too. As Malcolm McDowell says.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Sandy, the aurora is rising behind us
    This pier lights our carnival life forever
    Oh, love me tonight and I promise I’ll love you forever
    Oh, I mean it, Sandy, girl
    My, my, my, my, my baby
    Yeah, I promise, Sandy, girl
    Sha, la, la, la, la, baby

  • Mike Lloyd

    I hear that…

  • Super T

    The biggest detriment has been taking the team payroll from over $140M down to $85M. Heck, if they raised it back up over $100M now they would most likely have a winning record this season.

  • those A’s teams from the 80s were pretty dominant. He has not had a winning record since 1992 though, in answer to your ridiculous no-need-for-context question.

  • perhaps it’s because you’re an idiot and people just instinctively downvote your stupidity?

  • nah man, I’ve just seen you post and it’s clear that you aren’t terribly bright. It’s ok. The world needs internet trolls too, Danny.

  • chago

    We were pretty good back them also . I’d rather have the Bow Tie back even at his age !

  • I’d rather have ownership with an ability and willingness to spend. Think about virtually every complaint you have about Sandy’s performance and ask whether it would have been different with more payroll flexibility

  • Metropolitan

    Sandy get the hell out of New York and go GM some small market no wheresville team .

  • Wolfmicky21

    Wright and Reyes would have yielded a small army of Top 100 prospects. Oh well, we got Dice-k now.

  • Benny

    Practically making free money, why would he want to leave that…

  • chago

    No doubt I just rather have a different decision maker . There are much better GM’s around that have won with expanded payrolls instead of moneyballing.

    Oh wait maybe you are right because if you check the records the only time Richie ever won (those A’s teams in the 80’s you mentioned) he had a top 3 in baseball payroll. In fact if memory serves the year they won the WS they were #1 in the league in payroll.

    So the next question is since he never won anything after that with his Moneyball and in fact hasn’t had a winning season without the benefit of a top league payroll where did he get this fame as Moneyball expert ?

  • mytoemytoe

    I know Mets fans, and all New York fans, have no patience, but Alderson is making the franchise better and if you can’t see that you’re blind.

    Theo Epstein wouldn’t make a difference in NY if he’s not going to have access to a vast pool of resources. Like it or not, our owners are cheap and Sandy is still working miracles.

    This team is going to be competitive year and in and year out very soon and it’s thanks to Alderson. Glad he wants to stay and see this through.

    You guys attack Sandy for not admitting he’s constrained financially, but if you were proud of your ability to do your job you wouldn’t want to use that as an excuse either.

    The payroll whiners will be singing a different tune when the Mets start winning and it comes time to pay Harvey, Wheeler and Syndergaard mega deals to stick around. Then you’ll all be glad that Sandy Alderson built the club from the ground up.

  • chago

    Basically you have ownership that could give a rip about anything except holding onto the team . And half the fan base has already accepted less than mediocrity in the name of progress and rebuilding . 5 million a year and no pressure to win just draft and trade for prospects and point to some distant place down the road when all will be peaches and cream .

    Where the hell do I sign up !

  • probably because he’s the guy who groomed Billy Beane

  • mytoemytoe

    How is Sandy not a difference maker? Syndergaard and Wheeler could both be big time aces.

  • chago

    So where exactly will he get this money to keep these superstars that will be running wild on our roster in abundance ?

  • mytoemytoe

    That’s pretty easy, if the club starts winning year in and year out, the naysayers will come back to the ballpark.

    Ticket values will increase, concessions will multiply exponentially, playoff money, tv ratings, etc.

    Not to mention the banks will be quicker to loan the Wilpons money. Not that that makes me happy, I wish they’d just sell the team.

  • chago

    The guy hasn’t had a winning season as a GM since 1992 that’s 22 Fing years and you call that a difference maker.

    Your kidding me right ?

  • gameball

    You know, setting aside all judgement about Alderson’s tenure as GM, it’s encouraging to hear this kind of talk—it’s an indication that he believes the org will start to reap benefits, and that he wants to be around to take credit when it happens.

    If he started making noises like he was on his way out, there’d be no shortage of celebrating in these comments sections, but it would be a much grimmer signal as far as I’m concerned.

  • chago

    Well then let’s hire the student cause he has way outdistanced the teacher in all phases of being a GM .

  • WillisReid

    Or they’ll flip them to restock the minors.

  • CJM

    Well that’s not an option, unfortunately.

  • gameball

    I will have no problem with Alderson’s slick PR dance if the strong system he’s developed pays dividends at the ML level.

  • It took Beane several years of hoarding prospects to turn the team into a winner. I bet that the A’s had fans back then who said that Billy Beane is worse than Hitler too.

  • chago

    You do realize that the Wilpon’s from many different sources have about 3/4 of a BILLION $’s dept stemming from the Madoff fiasco and the fall out afterward . That’s a lot of fannies in the seats before they even start paying off principal on all those loans. Just paying the interest on that is constraining to the point they can’t even expand payroll and now you think they are going to be able to hand out mega contracts to Harvey , Wheeler and Syndergaard in successive years .

  • he had to cut payroll in 1995. You don’t suddenly slice payroll in half and field a competitive team. You have to rebuild the farm system. Which Sandy started and Beane continued. You understand that prior to taking the Mets job, he wasn’t a GM since the 90s?

  • gameball

    Reyes was a big question mark before the 2011 season, and was DL’d once again at the trade deadline. The idea that the Mets missed an opportunity to flip him for major prospects is the worst kind of revisionist history.

  • chago

    That is it . We will be the new Pirates/Royals . We will be the Yankees farm team ! We develop and can’t pay to keep them so you take them and give us some lottery tickets .

  • why are you responding to me? Why don’t you whine in a private email to Joe D if you’d like to air a grievance?
    What is it with some of you with this almost pathological attitude towards Metsblog? Show me on the doll where Cerrone touched you, Hotstreak. It”ll be ok.

  • chago

    But he hadn’t won with a large payroll from 92 to 95 what happened to those 3 years ? And weren’t you the guy that was just telling me how he taught Beane everything he knows why hasn’t he won since then.

  • WillisReid

    Hoping to be more like Tampa.

    But I don’t see them handing out another LT contract until Wright’s is done.

  • Martin

    Alderson creates division among the fans, because he is rational and his analysis is based on evidence rather than arbitrary fan whim. People have ideas based on conventional wisdom, and they are not excited to learn that the evidence clearly contradicts them. Also he unwilling to say stupid pandering things to please the fanbase. I would be happy to have him for 10 years.

  • Martin

    Assuming there was no money, how is that Alderson’s fault.

  • well, in 92 they lost the ALCS. 93 was a down year. 94 was the strike. They were 1 game out of first when the season ended. 95 the finished under .500. Maybe that was Hall of Fame manager Tony LaRussa’s fault?

  • jason bay

    Hotstreak don’t leave over some dumb down votes.

    Who cares man? Nobody. Speak your mind and don’t worry about someone who can’t disagree with substance.

  • jason bay

    Championships are not won overnight and under the new CBA they’ll take even longer to achieve but we are getting close to becoming a legit competitor. Who would have thought 4 years ago we would have a rotation that included Wheeler, Syndergaard, and Montero? Who would have thought we would have TDA instead of Thole?

    Yes there is work to be done but by focusing on longer type pre-prime players we won’t be fixing one issue only to spring 3 leaks elsewhere when players in their late 30 and early 40’s start breaking down.

  • John

    And they were heavy steroids users. The bash brothers!

  • jason bay

    I think it’s pretty clear that the owners didn’t have the financial where with all to sustain a complete rebuild and the constant howling about it would have been off the charts anyway.

    Led by those who now say we should have gone in that direction..

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    False choice. Most executives know how to level with people without descending to “stupid pandering things”.

  • when he insists that my questioning Tejada’s dedication is due to racism, I don’t feel he deserves any sort of respect or consideration. Do you?

  • El_Verdadero_Presidente

    Chago, papi, you are smokin’ tonight!

  • KennyandtheMets

    We have a rotation of Wheeler, Syndergaard, and Montero? Where?
    When?

  • He can want all he wants, but if the MLB team doesn’t start producing, the Wilpons will quickly make him their fall guy. We know they’re not going anywhere. So if the team doesn’t start producing, he’s gone…especially now that the financial house is apparently in order…well according to the Wilpons anyway.

  • BarnRat

    You’re right he almost never says anything either stupid or pandering. Kudos for that. However, he does say many things that are disingenuous and/or dissembling. That shows a disregard for the customer. Not every customer has to be able see through it, just enough customers to communicate the reality to the rest of us. I agree Sandy has skills, but he’s hardly a “5-tool” GM.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I could care less about the payroll. I care about results ON THE FIELD . Until this team starts competing in a significant way, Alderson hasn’t done his job. He has rehired a sub par manager and has not addressed key positions at all. I am hopeful that the young pitching he has aquired will vault this team to success, but until I see it, it is just hoping.

  • that’s no excuse to throw around baseless accusations like that. Besides, I don’t think anyone needs a propaganda campaign to look at Valdespin and realize the dude is in desperate need of some growing up. Weird that people are only “racist” in their dislike of the crappy players. Perhaps people just don’t like players that suck regardless of who they are or where they’re from? Duda isn’t terribly popular. What’s the reason for that? Maybe people want to see Ike traded because he’s *gasp* HALF JEWISH!
    Ridiculous.

  • BarnRat

    Henry, I like your perspective in general, but isn’t Sandy about the most fire-proof GM in MLB? Knowing where the bones are all buried between the Commish and the Wilpons has to be employment for life.

  • jason bay

    The Wilpon’s need him a lot more than he needs the Wilpon’s.

    They already made the mistake of getting off Mcilvaine when he was in the middle of the rebuild and now after ****ing it up for another 20 years here we are again.

    Could they really be that stupid? Do they even have the cash to be that reckless again? Have they learned nothing from the past 20 years?

  • BarnRat

    Magic beans?

  • jason bay

    June or July man.

    Pay attention.

  • While I agree with you that the Wilpons need him more than he needs them…the rest will be answered over the next few years.

  • I actually think if the Mets were to play listless in 2014 and have another say 74 win season, the firestorm would need a fall guy. As for the buried bones…the Commish is on his way out and everyone knows the Wilpons already get a blind eye because Fred was one of the most principal reasons Bud got his gig. So I don’t know what other buried bones Sandy would need to even have to be any more fireproof.

  • Joey D.

    Jason, it’s not the rotation. When do we get the hitting to help them? One has to take seriously the story of the 1970 through 1973 Mets – which had the top pitching staff and one of the top defenses in the league but could not muster more than 83 wins in any one season before falling below .500 altogether because of their anemic run production. We do not have those possibilities yet in the high minors. And then, how many of them will be able to make it – considering our financial situation regarding payroll is not going to get any better that is asking a lot out of many prospects to fill.

    So I don’t want to be told how great the rotation could be not because it won’t be – I know it has the potential to be outstanding and agree with everyone who says so. But anyone who remembers watching Seaver, Koozman, Ryan, Matlack, Gentry and others pitch on an every day basis knows exactly what I mean.

  • chago

    Presidente como estas amigo !

  • BarnRat

    OK, so the story is that Wilpons help Selig, Selig helps Wilpons via Sandy, Sandy saves Wilpons, Selig retires, Sandy demands compensation for his efforts, Sandy gets the Commish job with Wilpons support and Sandy is obligated to Wilpons, the Mets are screwed forever. Am I any where near close on this?

  • diehardmets

    Good, I hope he stays and sees his great work in the farm come to fruition in the majors. He’s taken what was one of the worst organizations in baseball top to bottom (bloated salary, no depth, no prospects) and turned it into arguably one of the most promising. He has his faults of course (a lack of big time international signings comes to mind, but he did well with Rosario and Molina), but I am a big fan of what he has done so far.

  • chago

    Amen

  • Haha. That sounds right, but too terrible to imagine. Barring a major upset, I think Manfred is the next commish, or one of their other already in house VPs. I guess I can see Sandy becoming an MLB VP…thing is according to this report, he still wants to be GM…Mets GM too.

    To me that means the losing does bother him and he wants to be around when this thing get turned around.

  • BarnRat

    Wish you’d said this earlier. I hurt my brain on the last post.

  • jason bay

    Hi Joey,

    That was 45 tears ago. Many of those names were signed before there was even a draft. Times have changed a little but where are we going to get them? Good question. Where did Miami get Stanton and Yelich? Philly get Howard, Utley, Rollins Brown and Ruiz? Washington get Harper, Ramos, Zimmerman, and Espinosa? Atlanta get Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, Prado, and McCann? Cinn get Mesoraco, Phillips, Votto, Bruce, Hamilton, Frasier? Pittsburgh get McCutchen, Walker, Alverez, Marte, Polanco and Hanson? St. Louis get Molina, Craig, Jay, Adams, Carpenter, and Tavares? Milwaukee get Gomez, Braun and Segura? SF get Posey, Belt, Crawford,and Sandoval? Colorado get Tulo, CarGo, Arenado,, Parker Dahl, and Rosario?

    One really only needs to take a look and see how other teams have done it. Something along the lines of 65% draft, 25% IFA and 10% trade. Sprinkle in a TOP (not mediocre, but TOP) FA on occasion and voila! You got yourself a lineup.

    If you wanted hitters on the team here in 2014 you should have been up in arms over all the draft picks we threw in the toilet from 2000-2010 on FA’s or by not offering arbitration. That’s when these guys were acquired by their teams Joey. There are no shortcuts. It’s not like the late 70’s and early 80’s anymore,

    We are paying a very heavy price for the work that wasn’t done in the past and that is the reason we are doing that work now so as not to continue the failed policies of the last 20 years and it will take as long as it takes..

    There is a lesson in there somewhere.

  • Joey D.

    Hey, Chago, Buddy,

    What ya doing up? Get to sleep already! LOL

  • DrDooby

    Wright, Granderson, Flores or Murphy (2b) and d’Arnaud should be above average offensively at their respective positions when all is said & done. The early 70s Mets had no player anywhere nearly as good offensively as Wright or even Granderson.

    The Mets will need to add that one missing piece to take the team to the next level other than the young pitching stepping up. The next versionof Gary Carter, Mike Piazza or Carlos Delgado. And that’s where the strong & deep farm system comes into play. A year from now, maybe a Jennry Mejia, Michael Fulmer, Wilmer Flores, Gabriel Ynoa and Gavin Cecchini for Troy Tulowitzki trade can be completed with the Mets taking on Tulo’s contract and suddenly having the best left side of an Infield in the majors. Or that same package for Carlos Gonzalez.

    Or the next GM of the Blue Jays decides to package Jose Reyes, Jose Bautista and RA Dickey together and the Mets are a fit. All sorts of options that a good & deep system can give you.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    I dont think Sandy needs the wilpon support…

    he’s pretty popular among the rest of the owners in the league as he has been on their side since day one in terms of keeping salaries under control.

    I think he would make a great commisioner

  • Joey D.

    Hi Jason,

    Times might have changed but the game hasn’t. One still has to score runs.

    And it doesn’t matter what happened years ago except for Madoff. Other teams in the same position we found ourselves in that went with youth and still wound with missing holes went out and filled them from outside the organization while many of that youth was still developing as well.

    We find ourselves in the same position as the 2008 and 2009 Giants. Some of their great pitching had already established itself and some of it was just about ready to come on the scene. But they did not have hitting. So more than half their position players were free agents acquired over the course of two years that provided enough hitting to back up that great pitching staff with the run production they needed.

    That, while after the 2009 season increasing their payroll 19 percent, bringing it to the ninth largest in the majors at $97, million WHILE they were already burdened by two “albatross” contracts amounting to over $33 million for Zito and Rowand. What was that Sandy said about success and payroll concentration and being burned?

    That is how teams complete their re-building. We had Santana and Bay, the Giants had Zito and Rowand. That didn’t stop them from increasing their payrolls during the time they needed to. So we are not paying any price for the mistakes of the past because there were still options available to rectify them. The only mistake of the past hurting us now was being dependent upon Madoff which enabled the Wilpons to buy the Mets.

    Yes, there are no shortcuts. But our young pitching staff didn’t develop over night. Harvey came on in 2012. Wheeler in 2013. Gee in 2011. Niese in 2009. Parnell in 2010. Montero has been in the system for a few years along with Mejia, Familia, Germen and Torres. It’s no longer a situation of having to wait and be patient.

    So what is stopping us now? The fear of losing a third round draft pick as well? We all know it’s having no working capital which was explained in much detail has nothing to do with past payroll management – not when an organization had come off four straight years of a more than a combined $100 million operating revenue figure and was already having cash flow problems. And that did not include the net revenue from television and radio.

    So we have holes caused by the baseball mistakes of the past. The only reasons serious attempts to try and resolve those problems have not been made today have nothing to do with those past decisions – they are ancient history and over with. We are in a good position to do something again. Standing still and doing nothing to enhance that has everything to do with decisions absolutely not related to baseball at all.

    That is also a lesson to be learned – there is a time when offsprings have to finally stop blaming their parents for their problems and take the responsibility of letting them continue on their own.

  • DrDooby

    As I posted somewhere else, I expect Alderson to depart on his own after the 2016 season to have time to prepare for his 70th birthday in 2017…

    Either having built a team with a bright future that has already been to the playoffs. Or with the rebuilding plan not having worked through year 6 yet. In either case, Alderson will feel his job has been completed or failed and he’ll step down in either scenario.

    The Wilpons will never fire him and forever be thankful that he maneuvered the franchise through the toughest of times, misleading the public with a straight face for them. He may become a senior advisor who hangs on and gets to pick his successor himself.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I hope so my friend. Until it happens, I can’t assume it will happen.

  • DrDooby

    Other than the very justifyable decision to keep David Wright long term and the unfortunate loss of Jose Reyes for too little compensation, I do not see how this rebuild could have been any more extreme, save for trading inexpensive young players with value such as Niese, Parnell, Gee and Murphy for prospects and try to lose on purpose.

    The Mets got a maximum return on Beltran and Dickey, got a nice return for Byrd / Buck too and – didn´t have any assets with any sort of significant trade value other than Wright, Reyes, plus the younger players.

    And I don´t think the scrap heap signings had much of an impact. Would it have been better to give Chris Schwinden 30 starts in both 2011 and 2012 instead of Chris Capuano and Chris Young in hopes of losing a few more games and drafting 7th overall instead of 11th overall ? Nobody would have managed to make the Mets worse than the Astros have been, so no # 1 overall picks for sure, even by trading virtually every major leaguer. What it would have achieved is an even more dramatic collapse of revenue – while still having to pay Santana, Bay and others.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    a few things about the alderson era

    in the 80’s, the a’s ownership surrounded alderson with a bunch of great old school scouts…

    one of them was grady fuson… who in his first year as scouting director, selected todd helton for the a’s #1 draft pick, Sandy interceded and said that they should select Ariel Prieto.

    Todd Helton goes on to have an awesome career

    Prieto goes on to be a bum

    In 1995, this is what the A’s got from their picks

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1995&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1983

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1983&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1984

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1984&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1985

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1985&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1986

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1986&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1987

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1987&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year
    1988

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1988&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year
    1989

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1989&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1990

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1990&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1991

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1991&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1992

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1992&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1993

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1993&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year
    1994

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1994&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1996

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1996&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1997

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1997&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    1998

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.cgi?team_ID=OAK&year_ID=1998&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year

    Beane also completely fired Alderson’s staff that he inherited…

    Beane

  • Hodges14

    There’s no single right way to do it. Planning to rely heavily on the amateur draft is a risky proposition. A large percentage of players in the draft never make an impact at the major league level. You’re right, this isn’t 1970 anymore. There are other options to obtain talent for your franchise.

  • Hodges14

    I think it’s very fair to start judging the progress of the franchise by using the W/L record. We’re 4 off seasons in to Alderson “plan”. If it’s working we should be seeing results this year.

  • Hodges14

    If I thought there was a legitimate rebuilding process going on I could almost stomach it. However, when you let Jose Reyes walk for nothing, then sign 30 year old David Wright for 8 years I have to wonder what kind of rebuilding program is this? Add to that the fact that the young players that supposedly are the result of the rebuilding don’t seem to be able to break into the major league lineup and I’m skeptical they’re as good as the Mets would like us to believe.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Spot on.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Keeping Sandy Alderson on would be the equivalent of keeping a burger flipper who burnt down the kitchen on staff.

    Alderson is a Terrible GM he is best suited as a cap guy. He should have John Riccos job.

    This guy should be TOAST after the season like Collins shouldve been toast after last season.

  • Taskmaster4450

    How was the record the first 4 years of Cashen’s reign as GM in the early 1980s?

  • JustSomeInternetGuyYouDontKnow

    Terrible. But with no cap they don’t need a cap guy so he’s not even a Ricco. Better suited as a spin doctor.

  • Taskmaster4450

    You kidding with the hasnt has a winning season since 1992, arent you?

    He had a cheap owner in Oakland who cut off the resources (sound familiar?) and ordered him to cut payroll. Yet, before that he was able to build a championship team and, before leaving, was able to lay the foundation for the playoff runs during Beane’s first couple years (Giambi, Hudson, Tejada).

    Not many GMs have instant success without any money.

  • Fonzie

    Spot on. He didn’t have a winning season until year 5 of his tenure. Also didn’t have any albatross contracts and half his payroll tied up with dead weight.

  • Erin_II

    No. He did the exact same thing to me last season for making a completely non-racist joke about Tejada. Now I just ignore him, in much the same way as I`m evidently going to have to ignore Teddy Klein`s nonsense.

  • Fonzie

    You mean the guy with the bow tie who didn’t have a winning season until year five of his tenure, who didn’t have to worry about tearing the team down before he started building it back up or half his payroll tied up like Alderson had. If the internet existed back then you guys that complain about Alderson would be ripping Cashen a new one daily on these blog. Look at the team Epstein inherited and compare that to the sh*thole Alderson inherited. And during the time that the bow tie had the Mets the team to beat in the NL after 5 years, Alderson had built an even better team in Oakland.

  • Wolfmicky21

    Query: do you think Reyes would have returned more or less than the equivalent of Vic Black and Dilson? I think Reyes was probably less valuable than Beltran (due to injuries) but still worthy of something pretty darn good.

  • Especially when we seem to have drafted well with his comp picks.

  • omar minayass

    bingo

  • I would assume his successor is already here.

  • joeyd1966

    I hope you have the same response when it’s him on the attack which is quite often, especially instigating racial innuendo.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Anyone who doesn’t want Sandy here for another 2-3 years must believe he, not the Wilpons, is the problem.

  • Spartacus

    Alderson hired Fuson in 1995, so how did A’s ownership surround him with a guy Alderson hired 12 years after he was named GM. Being you didn’t even know that about Fuson, I have my doubts about the accuracy of the rest of your claims. We have so many people here that were in team meetings back in the 80’s with Oakland, seems like everyone has a different story to tell regarding those meetings.

  • Alex68

    Ohhhhh F***!!!!!!!~!~~~~~~~~~~~

  • Alex68

    Lmao, 8 thumbs down Leroy….. let’s see who gets more for not wanting this PO’s here in NY….

  • SRT

    So much for the speculation that SA would be the next Commish.

  • gameball

    If you could have gotten what they got for Byrd, than maybe that’s better than letting him walk and taking comp picks. But Byrd was traded to a team that was fighting for a postseason spot, and no team in that position is going to trade for a guy on the DL, which was where Reyes was at that point in 2011.

  • Alex68

    And still, what are your thoughts on COLON and CY? you know, the kind of signing you KILL omar minaya for? mind you, we’ll prob pay COlon $10 million next year and we have like 7 more SP on the team… so he might get free money… go figure you second guessing PO’s

  • Alex68

    This is just a sad thread… the Sandy lovers are in full force support for the guy who’s brought in a mockery of the baseball team.. top 10 in worst payroll… tie with the astros for most consecutive losing seasons, top 5 worst record in the NL the past 3 years, and still these people want this guy want? Have we forgotten his horrible deals? his horrible draft picks? his arrogance? how he’s handled some of the things when they don’t go his way? the way he takes shots at other past regimes when backed into a corner? my goodness…. i get the love for the guy, no, really i don’t get it and it’s hard for me to even fathom this guy here with his “plan” and his “philosophy” just F****** up everything! seriously, are you people insane? all his signings have been “hope” they do good type signings, his draft picks won’t be here up until 2017, we have pitching but he’s created HOLES everywhere in the lineup, he just extended one of the worst coaching staff we’ve had… he holds NO ONE accountable for losing unless it’s to fit his agenda (when the minor league team were winning), so how can anyone in good conscious want this guy back? he’s been lying along with the wilpons about getting better, payroll, keeping a player, wanting to spend, etc.. and yet you guys pegged this guy to be a genius and want him here as some have stated for 10 years? SMH.. just SMGDH!

  • jason bay

    Nice hearing from you CL,

    Did Colon and Young cost draft picks?

    No? Then how is it the same thing I’ve criticized Minaya for?

    Nice try though.

  • Alex68

    Hahahahaha, teddy!?!?! The “moderator” and defensor of the MBAH getting downvoted?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • jason bay

    Hi Joey,

    In regard to the Giants they gave up a lot of draft picks for guys like Omar Vizquel, Armando Benitez, Matt Morris, Aaron Rowand and Barry Zito.

    Had they not done that they may very well have picked up the guys they needed offensively and not had to trade Wheeler. In other words they would have the guys they needed AND Wheeler right now.

    See the thing with the draft is when you do hit you have fixed a position on the team for 6-12 years. Hit again and do the same elsewhere. That is what allows you to selectively target other needs by trade or by FA. When you give away those draft picks, you give away the chance to fix a position for a decade or so.

    If the Giants weren’t in such a rush they might very well have drafted any one (or a few) of some of the best offensive players in the game with the picks they gave away.

    2003 – #1 Ray Durham
    2005 – #1 A Benitez, #2 Mike Matheny, #3 Omar Vizquel
    2006 – #2 Matt Morris, #3 Tim Worell
    2007 – #2 Barry Zito, #3 Rich Aurelia, #4 Dave Roberts
    2008 – #2 Aaron Rowand.

    Hate to tell you Joey but none of those guys did anything to help the Giants win their two World Series with the minor exception of Zito who won a game in the post season but is univerally and unanimously regarded as one of the biggest busts in FA history.

    2004 – the Giants also traded Francisco Liriano and Joe Nathan for A.J Piercynski.

    2005 – the Giants non tendered Piercynski.

    Lots of “win now” type moves here by the Giants that produced top 10 picks like Lincecum, Bumgarner, Posey and Wheeler instead of what they were signed to do.

    Those ten picks given up over 6 years could have very easily been the very players they needed all along but we’ll never know.

  • ^^^ Looks out upon the new MMO community and begins to lip synch to…

    http://youtu.be/C1AHec7sfZ8

  • jason bay

    LOL,

    What shots has he taken at past regimes “when backed into a corner?”

  • jason bay

    LOL.

  • Joey D.

    GOOD POINT TRS, IF NOT HERE, THEN ALREADY RECOMMENDED FROM THE OUTSIDE.

  • SRT

    Ha!
    All are welcome!

  • SRT

    Just as long as you’re not assuming that successor is Jeff.

  • Spartacus

    Good and thank you for that and I hope you’re aware of Alex referring to those that came from Metsblog as a hole s which he continues to do on a daily basis.

  • Joey D.

    No player as good as Wright or Granderson offensively? I think they had one or two that were close enough – and my point being it’s like today’s team, they had some hitters but not enough to produce anything more than an anemic hitting attack because of having too many holes.
    1970: Tommie Agee hit 24 home runs and batted .286 with a .344 OBP, Don Clendennon set the Met RBI record with 97 and hit 22 home runs limited to 121 games platooning at first. Cleon Jones slumped to .277 but still had a .352 OBP. Art Shamsky hit .293 with 11 home runs with a .393 OBP. That’s four.
    1971: Power drops but Jones bounces back to hitting .319/.382. Agee .285/.32. Kranepoole hits .280 with 14 home runs. That’s three.
    1972 – Total wash out due to injuries – that the medical staff for ya – things don’t change over 40 years. 🙂
    1973 – Milner, 23 home runs, .239 BA (i.e., Granderson type?) . Staub, .279 BA.361 OPB, Jones hits 11 home runs at bats .260 in 92 games. That’s three.
    Same situation when one looks closely. Some good bats surrounded by little else. No free agency back then for them to have sought out some missing pieces. But even with the addition of just two more solid bats to those lineups in 70 and 71 -and even 73, we might very well have seen a much different result – just as we might very well could have now.

  • Joey D.

    Obviously not 45 “tears” ago but 45 “years” ago. I think we’ve all shed way more than 45 “tears” since then. Wah!

  • jason bay

    LOL Joey,

    I saw that and went to edit it but then thought better of it.

    Somehow it just seemed right to leave it alone.

  • joeyd1966

    Surprising that you couldn’t have figured that one out. lol…

  • Just_Da_damaja

    thats a lie.

    Fuson was hired as a scout in 1982. One year BEFORE Alderson became GM

    He gained influence within the organization and by 1995, was named scouting DIRECTOR.

    And what i just quoted came out of FUSON’s mouth.

  • Joey D.

    Jason,

    I’m talking about the mindset, that they did not stand still and had they did, they would not have had the run scoring to back up that great pitching for as it was with all that they added they were still only ninth in run production – and that included the 18 home runs and .305 BA by Posey.

    So they gave up a lot of draft picks. They won two world series in three years, were in the playoff hunt for four straight years and have made moves this off season which we will have to wait and see if that makes them again legit contenders for five out of six years since 2009.

    As far as the draft picks, the point you make is quite interesting:

    “See the thing with the draft is when you do hit you have fixed a position on the team for 6-12 years. Hit again and do the same elsewhere. That is what allows you to selectively target other needs by trade or by FA. When you give away those draft picks, you give away the chance to fix a position for a decade or so.”

    This is what a study showed as reported in the TIMES:

    “After studying the 5,989 position players who began their careers between 1902 and 1993 and who played 33,272 years of major league baseball, three demographers have come up with an answer: On average, a rookie can expect to play major league baseball for 5.6 years.

    Their study, which is being published in the August issue of Population Research and Policy Review, also found that one in five position players would play only a single season.

    “Fewer than half of all rookies remain long enough to play a fifth year. And only about 1 percent of players last 20 seasons or more.”

    ” And only about 1 percent of players last 20 seasons or more.”

    Now, that study does have it’s faults because it admits to covering a 90 year period. However, it does cite this as far as the average length of time for the average ball player for those who began their careers prior to 1994:

    “and 6.85 years in the Modern Era. The study does not include players whose careers began later than 1993, because many are still playing”

    So it’s not a question of when one hits, it’s a question of how often one hits “again”.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/15/sports/baseball/15careers.html?_r=0

  • Hodges14

    The franchise that Cashen took over was in FAR FAR worse shape than what Alderson took over in terms of talent. Cashen did not have talent like Beltran, Wright and Reyes on the team and Matt Harvey working his way through the system. Not a good comparison at all.

  • Hodges14

    He also didn’t have Beltran, Wright and Reyes. He had Joel Youngblood and Lee Mazzilli. Not even close in terms of talent to what Alderson inherited.

  • TPT

    i haven’t been the biggest SA fan ill admit but if you just stop and think if he had 240 million allocated to payroll like Ned Coletti the Dodger GM do you think we still have a below 500 team? and while im at it… you all pee your pants with excitement and drool over Syndergaard and write on here NO WAY WERE TRADING THIS FUTURE STAR TO NO ONE and WE… NOBOBY ELSE also have a kid WHO WAS JUST RATED THE NUMBER ONE CATCHING PROSPECT IN ALL OF BASEBALL,TA but not one of you thank SA for trading Dickey for these players so lets not be so hard on the man hes handcuffed with these owners

  • Joey D.

    Hi Jason,

    I actually suspected you were waiting for moi to say something about that!
    Could have started singing to you like Question Mark And The Mysterians by adding 41 more to the number. 🙂

  • jason bay

    LOL Joey,

  • Joey D.

    Jason,

    Want me to send you a CD of me singing?

  • Tank

    I would’ve rather been kicked in the junk with a pair of steel toe boots than read this

  • jason bay

    Joey,

    Send it to Alex, it fits his mood better than mine.

  • Don’t worry about it man. I’ve seen your comments and you seem to have a firm grasp on reality and interesting insight. I can’t speak to your moderating abilities but I also don’t care. Morons can insinuate whatever they’d like. I can handle it but I am also going to treat such morons with the derision they deserve. I’m new here but I already have a solid understanding of the sort of clowns in the #CORE.
    Keep up the good work.

  • We don’t know yet how they are going to pan out! You gotta relax bro. Colon might give us the same #’s as last year? Will you knock the signing then? That’s how much pitchers are going for! Lets wait and see, does that sound good? Same goes with CY… We don’t know.. Maybe playing in NY will get him fired up and give us a great season!

  • Have you been living under a rock the last year?

  • BigAl831

    Dude looks good for 66.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Sandy has not done a good job at the major league level but the owners play a huge role in that. If money wasn’t an issue of course they would have signed Drew. Of course they would have been in on Ellsbury or Choo or Darvish.

    Sandy’s done a bad job of maximizing the money he does have to spend, but when you can only afford marginal talent, you’re going to get marginal or worse results. There are more Frank Franks than Marlon Byrds.

    Where Sandy has excelled is infusing out minor leagues with potentially tremendous talent and if Sandy doesn’t stick around another 2-3 years, the true value of his contributions won’t be recognized with him as GM.

  • Benny

    Alderson knows that it’s really up to him if he wants to stay or not. Obviously he wants it to seem like he would stay if the Wilpons would keep him (politically correct), but everyone knows they do.

  • CJM

    I think it’s understandable that you’ll get many more bad shot in the dark signings (Francisco) than strike gold signings (Byrd). But the key for Alderson has been to parlay the good pieces in to plausible future talent, which he’s done quite well, minus the Pagan trade.

  • SRT

    Update:
    Much ado about nothing.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    What “horrible draft picks” and what draft picks can you even label “horrible” right now?

    Sandy has to do with the payroll? Seems like a Wilpon responsibility, no?

    Horrible deals? Dickey for Syndergaard/TDA? Beltran for Wheeler? He’s made bad signings, but when you can only afford marginal talent, you get marginal results.

    You think the lying from the Wilpons would change under a different GM? Change needs to come from the Wilpons first.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    That’s what I’m saying. When it comes to spending, he’s done a bad job. But since he’s only able to spend what the Wilpons give him, that makes it more of a Wilpon problem.

    The thing Sandy has the biggest power over, the farm system, is thriving.

  • CJM

    My wonder is how informed is Sandy about the Wilpons’ true financial situation? I think Alderson knew very clearly that his orders in his early tenure were to cut payroll. But is this payroll the payroll for the foreseeable future, or will the Wilpons be able to invest more in the team? If it’s the former, I can’t see Alderson truly wanting to stay. It seems like an absolute thankless job to have to try to compete on limited funds each year. But if somehow the Wilpons are able to raise the payroll by 30% or so, there’s more incentive to stay, especially after working hard to build a potentially strong crop of young players. I can’t think of a GM who would prefer a $90 million payroll rather than a $120 million payroll.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I think every GM would prefer a $90M payroll to a $120M payroll if they could win with it. Winning is everything. Wouldn’t you rather have a Corvette that costs $10 if it drives the same as a $25,000 version?

  • CJM

    Yeah the real question with Sandy, that we’ve never been able to answer, is how would he do with $120+ million? The Sox went from worst to first largely due to an amazing off season (having a core that included Ortiz, Pedroia, Lester, etc. also helped). They nailed most of their free agent signings. But they obviously had a significant cushion based on their payroll. A cushion that allowed bringing in a poor free agent or two. It is hard to have a successful off season with no payroll flexibility.

  • CJM

    The obvious thing here is that it is easier to build a winning team if you have more payroll flexibility. All things being equal, the $120 million payroll team is in a much better position to win than the $90 million payroll team.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    The Red Sox are exactly what Sandy wants, the Mets just can’t afford it. They nailed every offseason signing, which is almost impossible, and were able to surround their veterans (Pedroia, Lester, Ortiz, Ellsbury) with young talent (Boegarts, etc.)

    Sandy wants the same thing it’s just the Mets position prospects aren’t ready like Boston’s were. That means pitchers like Harvey, Wheeler, Montero and Syndergaard are coming instead of offensive guys. The only way to solve that gap until Nimmo, Smith, etc. are ready is to spend.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I think that the $90M payroll team just takes longer to build than the $120M. The Yankees went out and spent like crazy and will win a bunch of games. The Cardinals combine spending with a flush farm system and manage a sub-$100M payroll and win all the time.

    Sandy is trying to build the Cardinals, not the Yankees. He’s not a Yankee-type GM and anyone who thought he was when hired was dreaming.

  • Benny

    I think the guy getting $5 mil a year has more to do with his desire to stay more than anything else.

  • Benny

    “I think every GM would prefer a $90M payroll to a $120M payroll if they could win with it.”

    Why?

  • CJM

    Yeah the Red Sox have a perfect model. Their scouting/player analysis is impeccable, with a strong emphasis on moneyball, and their payroll is huge. They didn’t actually nail every signing last off season, but they nailed a majority, and they had the flexibility to get away with a couple swing and misses. I read something interesting about the Sox. After finishing in last place, John Henry said he thought that the team was not giving Bill James enough of a voice anymore. They reemphasized James’ opinions in the 12/13 off season and ended up with a juggernaut.

  • Benny

    “I think that the $90M payroll team just takes longer to build than the $120M.”

    Hence CJM’s “easier” remark…

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Because you save money. Have you ever run a business? Heard of operating expenses? Wouldn’t you want to make more money than you spend?

    Same thing except “making money” means winning. Which, not coincidentally, makes you money.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Right. So he and I are on the same page. Thanks, Benny.

  • CJM

    It’s not a bad paycheck obviously, but if he left the Mets he’d be flush with cozy job offers, I’m sure. And he likely has a nice little nest egg built up. I think his main incentive to stay would be to (hopefully) finish what he has started.

  • Benny

    Just curious what your explanation to that statement was, considering GM’s are in the business of building a winning team, not trying to save their bosses money, unless of course they’re ordered to.

  • 🙂 Anything that begins with NY Post source should always be treated very lightly. The reactions though is what made the story. 🙂

  • Benny

    Agreed.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Of course they’re in the business of saving their bosses money. Any person in a management position is in the business of saving their bosses money.

    “Hey, we can cut costs here and increase profits by 5% if we do ______” That’s how business works – making the most amount of money by spending as little as possible.

    Baseball is a business like any other.

  • Martin

    1. He levels with the fans.
    2. His job is to make a team, not to speak with fans.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    So why is everyone so upset about EY leading off and Mejia in the penn. Didn’t those come from the NY Post?

  • Martin

    The things he says that are reported as disinginous are things he never said.

  • Benny

    “Of course they’re in the business of saving their bosses money. Any person in a management position is in the business of saving their bosses money.”

    Winning is the main focus first and foremost!

    “Baseball is a business like any other.”

    No, it’s not.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Winning is the main focus, you’re right. But winning as cheaply as possible is the goal for all owners. The problem is that it’s hard to win for cheap.

    And yes, baseball is a business. Say what you will about the Wilpons, but they don’t run the Mets because they like baseball. They’re in it to make money.

  • Benny

    “But winning as cheaply as possible is the goal for all owners.”

    Exactly! It’s not the GM’s goal, like you stated before.

    “And yes, baseball is a business.”

    Never said it wasn’t. It’s just not a business “like any other” as you stated.

  • 🙂 I can only speak for myself but after 3 seasons I have learned to give little attention to anything Collins says regarding players and future moves. I find it is better to react once they happen as opposed to reacting to something that may never happen at all.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Sorry, I should have said it’s the goal of the entire FO, which includes the GM. It’s not Sandy’s money, but he has to find the most talent he can for the least amount of money. The problem is talent costs so that’s not easy to do. If Brian Cashman says “Yu Darvish is the best option we have to win,” it’s his job to sign him as cheaply as possible.

    Fine. Yes, baseball is a business like any other business. There are expenses. Profit margins. Operating costs. You know what, baseball is kind of like running a brothel now that I think about it. haha.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Ooof. You should explain that to the rest of the fans, especially on this site. haha

  • Benny

    ” It’s not Sandy’s money, but he has to find the most talent he can for the least amount of money. The problem is talent costs so that’s not easy to do. If Brian Cashman says “Yu Darvish is the best option we have to win,” it’s his job to sign him as cheaply as possible.”

    Agreed.

    “Fine. Yes, baseball is a business like any other business. There are expenses. Profit margins. Operating costs.”

    Yes, it has components of a business, but it has other avenues that regular businesses don’t have. This is a sport and entertainment. There’s more to it, than just expenses and income.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    DAMN!

    I had my hopes TOO HIGH

    I thought he would pull a Derek Jeter and announce this is his last year and he will retire.

    lmao =)

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well of course baseball has parts that other businesses don’t; a Burger King isn’t the same as Bank of America. But the processes and goals are the same.

  • Benny

    I believe everyone knows this in the back of their minds, but they can’t (myself included) just ignore the stupidity Collins spews sometimes.

  • Benny

    So it’s not “like any other” business.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well, yes it is as far as the word “business” is concerned. Like any other “business.” Not “baseball is the same as running a Burger King.”

    And I thought it was clear that I meant baseball is the same as any other business insofar as you’re trying to make as much money while spending as little as possible.

  • SRT

    This ^

  • chago

    It’s almost 4 in the afternoon buddy got about 13 hours snooze cruise ready to go now !

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Think Admiral Stockdale…

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    LOL…Sandy lovers are in full force who cares abbout winning its all about finding value aka CHEAP SIGNINGS noone wants.

    Worst saying ever….Every team is looking for value when they sign a player what a bozo

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    The fact that it’s an entertainment business makes it somewhat of a different animal…

  • TPT

    yea i see well most of you are short sighted considering what little these broke cheap owners give him to work with and hes done some things you guys just love without you even knowing you do ..like everyone one you are overjoyed having Syndergaard and you all go crazy at the thought of any trade involving him cause you all know he can be a GREAT one and every team in the majors want him and we also have the top rated catching prospect in baseball and BOTH came here though a trade involving a 40 yr pitcher that wasnt gonna be our future and now it looks like STEAL..and Beltran?? his disdain for the Mets showed he had no intention of ever being a Met again and now hes 37 and getting to the last couple of years of his career we have Wheeler and everyone of you have penciled in as our number 3 starter and how do you suppose we got him? By SA trading Beltran at the deadline yet not one of you acknowledge or credit SA for what he DID do but you reep in the rewards of his trades and you dont even realize it ..wow fickle to say the least

  • BCleveland3381

    Alderson has done an ok job under the circumstances. He’s been exceptional at trading veterans for young prospects. Not trading Jose Reyes at some point was probably his biggest mistake. The only bad trade he has made in his tenure is the Angel Pagan deal. Frank Fransisco was obviously a terrible mistake. But until this offseason he’s had no money to sign anyone else.

    The Granderson, CY, and Colon signings will have a huge bearing on his overall legacy as Mets GM. A s will his drafting, which is still an incomplete. 3 years is far too early to judge a GM’s ability to draft. Sandy will likely be long gone before we know if his drafts were successful or not. Under the circumstances our putrid ownership put him in, I still don’t think anyone could have done anything more than what Sandy did with this team.

  • TPT

    no it wont Syndergaard TA, Wheeler and,Black will have a bigger overall impact on his legacy as the Met GM young players which looking back he he stoled and its a shame nobody acknowledges this as a huge part of what his legacy may be

  • KennyandtheMets

    No. I prefer living under a mushroom. Lol

    As of now, Wheeler is the only one of those 3 that are in the rotation. Until Syndergaard and Montero have actually joined the rotation , we don’t have a rotation that includes them. It’s really pretty simple.

  • Michael

    I know a lot of people threw SA under the bus way too early , but I agree with you 110%-he did the best he could under the circumstances.

  • Michael

    Of course, your job is to win and keeping expenses down not up. You make more money that way…its not cheap Its working smarter not harder

  • Xavier 22

    Doing more with less! Shift the paradigm! It is what it is!

  • WillisReid

    It absolutely is. The only people that don’t see it that way are fans.

  • Xavier 22

    Former Marine Colonel. Bet he has a rigorous exercise regimen

  • Taskmaster4450

    The deal with most of Alderson’s transactions is they are not relevant. At this point, they mean nothing.

    The Pagan trade: sure, the Giants won that one. BUT, Pagan was a FA a year later and certainly wasnt going to get $50M or whatever he got from the Mets. So, at this point in time, there would be nothing to show for the trade as there is now.

    Same is true with every FA he signed before this year. Good or bad, they are gone. Capuano, Byrd, Hairston, and Hawkins were good ones yet they are gone. The same is true for the bad ones: FF, Young, Marcum, and the reliever who nailed Braun or someone as his last act as a Met. None of these transactions cost the Mets long term. Were many of them a waste of money? Yes. But as the attackers like to point out, is it your money?

    Outside of that, the only thing really to judge him on his trades. One can try to point to the IFA signings and drafts choices but that only shows a bias. It is far to early to even begin to draw a conclusion. Hell, we wont even know how Omar did in the IFA market for another few years and he has been gone for 3 years. Outside the Pagan trade, on paper at least, it looks like Alderson cleaned up. The Wheeler deal for a rental player who wasnt resigning was a smart move. The Dickey deal looks to be a total fleecing in the making. The Byrd/Buck deal gave the Mets two promising players. Even the EY for McHugh deal turned out good for the Mets since McHugh was nothing.

    So it seems Alderson went 4-1 with his trades and hit on about 50% of his FA signings when you take all those involved including the bench guys like Cendeno and Harris who dont have a lot of expectations.

    So you tell me how this record causes him to be one of the worst GMs the Mets ever had as some proclaim.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Well Met fans do after the last few years but most other fans do not.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Or hope for guys to bounce back and provide some production (ie Ike/Duda and Tejada).

  • omar minayass

    the words alderson & clarifies should never be put next to each other…..ever

  • Taskmaster4450

    The Red Sox also have a hitting approach similar to Hudgeons. I watched a number of Sox games last seasons and Eck was continually talking about how the Sox would “grind” ABs out. They saw a lot of pitches and used that to their advantage.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    By mid-July of 2012, Pagan was back to being the Pagan of 2010, hitting .290 with 5 Triples, 5 HR, decent defense, good base running ( 16 SB )

    I’m sure he would’ve brought us back somethingbetter than Torres and Ramirez…

  • Taskmaster4450

    Nor do they acknowledge that Alderson resigned Dickey to what was called an absurd contract at the time after the 2010 season….$8M guaranteed with a $4.5M option to a gimmick pitcher.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Maybe but by Mid July 2012, Pagan was a rental player since he was a FA at the end of the year. So what was his worth for a few months a GM? Who knows. Beltran brought back Wheeler, so Pagan would have brought someone back a notch or two below that most likely.

    But overall the Pagan deal was a lost trade by Alderson….his only loser in that category.

  • TPT

    totally agree

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    That too.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Many on here do not realize how pathetic an organization the Mets were when Alderson took over. Of course, these same people do not know the difference between organization and team. The believe that a few successful seasons = success. Wrong. That is the difference between the Mets and teams like the As, Cards, Dodgers, Braves and Red Sox. They are terrific organizations. There will be some down times but they usually do not last too long. Some of these teams are able to spend big money but that does not come at the expense of the development and maintaining a consistent stream of talent. Everyone wants to point to the Red Sox and Dodgers as big FA players. Sure they were. But they also developed guys like Ellsbury, Kershaw, Kemp, Ethier, Lester, and Pedroia. Show me a list of Mets that compare with even a couple of them.

    Compare where the Mets are today with where they were in October 2010 and one can only conclude that the organization jumped by light years.

  • omar minayass

    this is spot on, the sport of baseball always seems to be confused with the business of baseball by most fans.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I’m wondering if Deprodrestra will take over as GM over Sandy leaves.

  • BCleveland3381

    Sandy had to cut 60 million dollars in payroll over the 3 season he’s been GM. From 132 million in 2010(the year before Sandy got here) to 73 million in 2013. It’s tough to put up a ton of win under those circumstances.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Ricardi most likely.

    Unless Jeff names himself GM which is entirely possible. I see a lot of Jerry Jones in ole Jeffy Boy.

  • BigAl831

    It’s funny because he could probably beat the crap out of every Mets fan who likes to complain about him, even at his age. And he also knows so much more about baseball. Ahhh the wonders of sitting behind a computer.

  • Alex68

    I would not be surprised if he pulls a SD and leaves before the complete destruction of this franchise… that’s what he did in SD, he foresaw the disaster he made and took off… left that franchise in ruins, thank god we had Minaya (can’t believe i actually type that) here who at least left him with a bunch of stars for him to turn into good prospects and Left him with Harvey, Murphy, Lagares, Flores otherwise who knows…
    The sooner this guy leaves, the quicker the turnaround will be…

  • BronxMets

    Our stupid media and even dumber bloggers.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    to be fair, it was confirmed that he was FIRED, he didnt leave on his own.

  • Alex68

    Hahahahahaha!!!! for real??? man… as a GM to have 9 straight losing season going on 10 must be embarrassing….. smh…

  • Just_Da_damaja

    well consider the assets that Alderson inherited and how he managed them.

    He had a CY young award winner on a team friendly deal.

    He had the hottest bat on the trade market in 2011

    He had the 2nd hottest bat on the trade market in 2011

    He theoretically could’ve also placed Daniel Murphy, who was hitting .319 with 28 2B by July 30th. When his season ended due to injury, Daniel was 3rd in hitting in the NL behind Braun and Reyes.

    In 2011, he also had one of the NL’s most effective closers in K-Rod.

    He could’ve allowed K-Rod’s season to play out, let the option vest, then trade him in the off-season and eat half of the 17 mil salary. K-Rod would’ve been essentially one a 1 year deal for 8.5 mil. What we could’ve gotten back was better than the 2 glorified dishwashers that came back in that trade.

    In 2012, he had a revamped Johan Santana, who after the no-hitter, after getting his ankle trampled on, was allowed to pitch with no lower body strength, placing all the stress on his shoulder.

    That was a horrific mismanagement off assets.

    Had Johan been placed on the DL, allowed his ankle to heal, Johan is a tradeable asset in the off-season, rather than getting surgery.

    In 2012, he had a very tradeable asset in David Wright, and another in Scott Hairston.

    Hairston was the best available RH hitter vs lefties at the deadline

    against LHP he was hitting .308/.341/.617 with 9 HRs and 24 RBIs in 120 ABs

    his explanation as to why he did not trade Hairston

    “Well, maybe you’re not a Mets fan, Adam. Or you’re not a Mets employee. Or you’re not a Mets observer. You’re certainly a Mets reporter. It’s not clear to me you have the same mindset as all the other constituencies that relate to the Mets. It’s a good question, but if we’re just going to get marginal talent, and I’m talking about let’s say maybe not even top-30 prospect status in an organization, then we have a choice to make.”

    Alderson merely presented a hypothetical.

    Scott Hairston was claimed by the Giants and then blocked by the Dodgers after the waiver wire.

    The giants were obviously interested in upgrading their offense as they had been linked to SH for weeks.

    Tigers, Giants, Braves Interested In Scott Hairston

    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 27, 2012 at 7:43pm CST]

    It was obvious that with attendance issues, the mets were about 5-6 games under .500, at the time Johan was still pitching, Dickey was having a his Cy Young season and Sandy thought there was more value in trying to boost next year’s attendance records with a .500 record this year than a tangible prospect for the future.

    In 2013, he did very well in trading Byrd. IMO this has the potential to be his best ( and luckiest ) trade as he did it after the waiver wire and was very lucky the Cardinals and Brewers did not submit a claim.

    Nothing that Sandy has gotten back yet has resulted in anything tangible on the MLB roster. He traded sure things for lotto tickets.

    I’m sure when McGuire was initially traded, folks thought Sandy did well getting a boatload of prospects who were cheap and highly ranked. 20 years later it looks like he gave away the best hitter on the market for nothing.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    So pathetic that they were competing for a wild card as late as late July of 2011?

    even w/o Wright, Ike and Santana.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Sandy sucks….Why arent these idiots ever in on the good young international players…

    Cuban SS Aledmys Diaz is likely to sign within the next 2-3 days.— Chris Cotillo (@ChrisCotillo) February 19, 2014

    How would this team look with a

    Cespedes?
    Puig?
    Soler?(On the farm)

    SMH…I’ll hold judgement on Jose Abreu but he’ll be a stud

  • Mike

    You’re an Omar apologists and totally ignorant. The mets had an awful farm system when Sandy took over. Crazy Tony Bernazod taking off his shirt, rushing up prospects, trading assets for nothing, extending old players over paying fA’s I can go on. This team has a top ten farm system and probably had the best pitching depth in all of baseball. All of which is thanks to Sandy and his guys.

  • Mike

    Those guys all cost alot of money. Don’t you think it’s risky for a team with a very limited payroll to commit all of their budget to unproven Cuban players?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    He GAVE AWAY Bruce Bochy while Bochy was still under contract with the Padres and the wheels came off right after that bone headed move.

    Bochy went on to win TWO WORLD SERIES the Padres went into baseball purgatory. Hell even Larussa left this bum and went onto HOF status with the Cards. What an IDIOT Alderson is

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    If you read what he said instead of jumping to conclusions you’d see he stated he didnt like Minaya but he was the LESSER of the 2 evils.

    FYI If it werent for the players Omar signed to major league contracts. Sandy wouldnt have much on the farm. It wouldve canceled out TDA, Wheeler and Syndegaard the main pieces

  • Mike

    Right because Bruce bochy delivered SF their ws championships, not their all star catcher, all star starting rotation or all star closer, nope it was clearly Bruce Bochy leaning on the Stairwell in the dugout…

  • Andrew Herbst

    I think it will most likely be Ricardi. I sure hope Wilpon doesn’t become our GM.

  • BarnRat

    But on the reward side, would you rather bet on a couple of “unproven” Cubans or a bunch of bounce-back cases who, unfortunately, have proven themselves?

  • Mike

    Oh yeah I’m sure when Omar signed Beltran in 05′ he said to himself, I’m gonna flip this guy in 61/2 yrs for a flame throwing Prospect in a ball. And I’m sure when he took a flier on Ra Dickey to a minor league deal like teams had been doing ever since he left the rangers he thought to himself, ok this guy is going to win a cy young in three yrs at which point I’ll trade him for two top prospects. I think u give Omar more credit than even he’d take credit for.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Cespedes(26yrs old) = 4yrs/$36mil
    Puig(21yrs old) = 7yrs/$42mil
    Soler(20yrs old) = 9yrs/$30mil

    A little perspective:

    Bartolo Colon(41yrs old) = 2yrs/$20mil
    Frank Francisco(32yrs old) = 2yrs/$12mil
    Chris Young(30trs old) = 1yr/$7.2mil
    Curtis Granderson(33yrs old) = 4yrs/$60mil

    Who spent their money WISER???

    On young promising players or aging regressing players.

  • Mike

    Granderson is hardly a bounce back he’s been consistant his whole career, he got two freak injuries last yr from wild pitches. And c young is on a one yr deal. If it doesn’t work out no biggie. I think it’s fine signing one of these Cubans but when ur payroll is at the bottom of baseball no I don’t think it’s smart to invest all of it to unprovens.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    The Cardinals are about to make an offer to Cuban shortstop prospect Aledmys Diaz.

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_513dc077-074f-599c-976e-29a2593fed1b.html

    And they just spent a boatload of money on Johnny Peralta….They could potentially leave the 2014 free agency with TWO Shortstops while the Mets leave with ZILCH!!! At a position Alderson stated prior to FA was a MUST upgrade…smh…cant make this stuff up lol…Alderson is a terrible GM…We’ll be building through the draft til the year 2030 a la the Pirates

  • BarnRat

    I agree that Granderson is not a bounce-back case. Was thinking of CY and the gang of returnees — Tejada, Ike, Duda — I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing the Cuban options that were/are available over these guys.

  • RyanF55

    Well said.

  • Mike

    The team is mostly relying on young unproven players as it is do they have to have an ENTIRE roster of them for your approval? Most teams feel the need to sprinkle in a few veterans for credibility and stability. Also 9 yrs commited dollars vs 20…I’ll take 9

  • Gregg Nice

    Probably because the Mets don’t have any money. The main problem is that Reyes should still be in a Met uniform.

  • Taskmaster4450

    It doesnt take a lot to sign the best free agent in a class especially after the Yankees and Red Sox pull out (Beltran).

    And Dickey was gone after one year with the Mets if Alderson didnt give him what was called a ridiculous contract at the time (2 years $8M with a $4.5M option for a gimmick pitcher).

  • WillisReid

    I think adult blog reading Met fans get it because they WANT to know. The rest seem pretty optimistic about the Mets future.

  • RyanF55

    I hope Sandy stays around for a while and finishes rebuilding this franchise. The blame and anger you read in these comments should be directed at ownership, not Sandy. He has an obvious limit on payroll – I don’t care what Jeffy says. He was brought hear to rebuild the farm and work on an small-market like budget. He’s here to keep ownership in place while they sort out their off field financial issues and that’s it, cut and dry. He’s being told to field a team with a joke of a payroll. Considering the constraints he’s under, I think Sandy’s done a great job. When people assume Sandy won’t spend, it doesn’t play well with me – he was the GM of two small market teams, and has inherited a small-market budget in a big-market city. If given the ability, why wouldn’t Sandy be willing to spend? If Epstein or Cashman were here, guess what? They wouldn’t be signing players on 100+ million dollar deals either….because there’s no money in the pot. Sandy turned aging stars (outside the Reyes blunder) into the team’s and some of the MLB’s top prospects.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    smh….youre clueless lol

  • Taskmaster4450

    Competing for the Wild Card? That is a laugh.

    The Mets were falling of the pace before the trades were made. Couple that with the fact that Met history has not been strong in the 2nd half, and yet you hold onto the fantasy that the Mets were going to compete for something. Yeah right.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    They had enough money to give a FAT 41yr old PED abuser 2yrs $20mil and enough to offer Balfour a reliever 2yrs/12mil….

    Alderson has money to spend.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Noone ever called paying Dickey ridiculous thats pure hyperbole…It was seen as a no brainer…Hell fans wanted them to give Dickey far more to extend him rather than trade him.

    And anyone can trade a ALLSTAR future HOF fo a prospect in A ball with control issues. It goes both ways

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Thats the thing Im not giving anyone too much credit Im speaking the truth. The same way guys blame Minaya for the state of the Mets now you could blame him for the state of the farm due to those players needed for those trades.

    I could care less about Minaya and even less about Alderson who needs to be fired…Im a Mets fans 1st and foremost I could care less about who the GM is.

    The truth is Alderson has been the worst GM in over a decade

    He has a record 9 straight losing seasons as a GM…and if he finishes below .500 this year thatll be 10 a decade of sucktitude…

    You cant dodge that fact

  • Taskmaster4450

    Cespedes isnt that good although his contract is. Look at his numbers for the two years in the league. Last year his OPS was Duda like and his production was far outpaced by Byrd.

    As for the others, so you are now saying that Alderson should have taken the money and spent it on guys who are going to the minors. Puig and Soler werent major league ready nor is Diaz.

    That is an interesting twist since for the two years I am on here you complained that Alderson focused only on the minors.

  • Mike

    Ok yeah I’m clueless…I’m not the one cherry picking facts to make a point. I love how you site the frank Francisco deal like the teams you mentioned haven’t signed contracts that were much worse which they regret, like Matt kemp, Edwin Jackson, Scott kazmir(they will regret that one)

  • Mike

    He took the A’s to three straight ws, no mention of that. He wasn’t the gm of the padres he was the president, and he’s obviously in a rebuild mode for the mets the past three yrs since he’s had about 15 million bucks total to spend before this offseason. If your looking to blame someone blame the Wilpons who r forcing sandy to run this NYC team like it’s an Oakland one for the pathetic reason that they’re a billion dollars in debt!

  • Taskmaster4450

    No it isnt hyberhole. At the beginning of 2011, that attacks were flying for resigning Dickey, a gimmick pitcher who had one decent season under his belt. People thought Alderson was crazy guaranteeing him $8M with an option for another $5M.

    Here we go again with the AS HOF player. What bs. Beltran was a rental player, that is all. He had two months on his contract, one without compensation tied to it. Certainly that limited the trade market since an out of contention team isnt going to trade for him since they couldnt build around him (ala the Mariners in signing Cano). And, lest everyone forgets, Beltran was also an AS HOF Player with bad knees at the time and a recent track record of finding the DL.

    So tout your agenda elsewhere.

  • Taskmaster4450

    He was also the main reason why the second set of As playoff appearances in the late 90s and early 2000s existed. He was the one who brought in Tejada (MVP), Giambi (MVP), Chavez, Hudson, and Grieve.

    Amazing how people look at him as a failure as GM when a GM’s success is largely dependent upon the money he is given to spend. The As won under him in the late 80s and early 90s because they were able to spent to get and retain talent. After that, austerity set in and they started cutting. Salary dumps became the norm.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    O_o

  • Mike

    Agreed nice to talk with a reasonable commenter for a change

  • Benny

    It is not a business “like any other.”

    Anyone who states this is just willfully ignorant.

  • BronxMets

    Thank you!!!!!

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I wont even adress your claim that Cespedes isnt good…Dude played injured all year with a bad shoulder and othe little nicks,

    As for the others, so you are now saying that Alderson should have taken the money and spent it on guys who are going to the minors. Puig and Soler werent major league ready nor is Diaz.

    YES!!!

    The team was rebuilding in 2011, 2012, 2013 and we are still rebuilding in 2014.

    All of those guys are STRONG BUILDING BLOCKS. You gave up a proven talent Dickey for unproven talents in TDA and Syndegaard why not give up cash for Puig, Cespedes, Diaz or Abreu…we werent in on any of them and they are all relatively CHEAP. It made perfect sense rather than spend the money on oldies who we KNOW we arent going to win with. I like the Grandy signing but lets be real he was a second tier free agent.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    MATT KEMP??? Why the hell would they regret that…his deal is cheap compared to these new standards. FYI His career isnt over he will play in 2013.

    I rather give Kazmir 22mil rather than pay 41yr old Colon 20…lets see who regrets it more at the end of those deals

    Jackson had a bad year but more likely than not he will bounce back he just only turned 30 and is signed 11mil per… One bad year does not make a contract a bad deal.

    PS I sited more than just the Frank Frank deal…and you claim im the one cherry picking…might wanna take a look in that mirror

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Does he have 9straight losing seasons as a GM???

    Hmmmmmm…………………

    Now Go ahead and blame everyone else but him(the man in charge) for those failures………………………

  • Out of place Met fan

    I still think he ends up in MLB office after this season, either as Bud’s successor or a very high “advisor” to who ever is.

  • WillisReid

    No one business is like any other. The food industry is different from the auto industry, which is different from the entertainment industry, which is different from professional sports. Sports leagues with a salary cap are different from ones without a cap.

    The bottom line is they are all driven by PNL. The goal is the same, the process is slightly different.

    Fans idea of winning is going deep into the playoffs. The owners idea of winning is going deep into the playoffs with as many home games as possible to make as much gate revenue as they possibly can. While spending as little as possible to make it happen.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I wont even entertain these same old arguments…

    The facts are Beltran was the TOP available player in FA that year aside from Reyes. Did you forget what the Cubs got back in return in 2013 trade deadline for a RENTAL(as you put it) Matt Garza???

    Far more than Alderson got back….so cut it out with the Mariners BS…Bad knees and the last 3 years he has played much more games than our own D.Wright…smh…

    Noone complained about extending Dickey at the time just like noone complained when he extended Niese they were seen as smart no brainer moves…you are trying to make it seem as if Alderson was some sort of Sevant for that move. None said he was crazy…Now Thats an agenda

  • Benny

    Like I said, Baseball is not “like any other business.”

    Notice the quotation marks, it means something. Take the hint and read over the entire discussion before chiming in.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Go ask a Padres fan about what losing Bochy meant. They were pissed when Sandy let him interview ESPECIALLY to a team in the damn division…

    FYI 1 player has NEVER single handedly won a WS its a team effort buddy and the manager is the orchestrator…How many teams you know have won a WS with a terrible GM???

  • WillisReid

    I did. And was pointing out that you were making a pointless point:-)

  • Skip

    Hav there been a rumored connections to the Mets and Diaz?

  • Benny

    How is it pointless when it’s correct? The OP is misinformed and wrote a false statement, which I wanted to correct, regardless of its level of importance.

  • RyanF55

    Does it ever cross your brain that Sandy doesn’t set payroll, or spend out of pocket. The Wilpons will not spend on Diaz…you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. To blame Sandy for that is ridiculous.

  • WillisReid

    The ocean is blue.

    Also correct, but equally pointless.

  • Benny

    To each their own…

  • Martin

    That’s weird usually twitter rumors are exactly correct.

  • jason bay

    Peralta and Diaz seem to make a lot of sense for the Cardinals since they have been focused on not giving up draft picks since 2002 when they signed Jason Isringhausen (#1) and Steve Karsay (#2) after Oakland and the Yankees offered them arbitration.

    The Cards have signed FA’s but only one’s that didn’t cost any draft picks and offered arbitration often enough to pick up 18 extra draft choices from 2003-2014.
    That is one reason they went to the World Series last year with 21 of their 25 players homegrown and two others (Wainwright and Freese) that they acquired when they were prospects. Other than that they had Holliday and Mujica who were both trades.

  • Martin

    Reyes was a free agent. Do you know what that means? All teams had a shot. You might as well say that cano or any free agent should be in a mets uniform. That how free agency works. You can’t tie players up and kidnap them to your stadium.

  • Martin

    Alay soler is retired.

  • Herb G

    Puma says that the “source”, who knows Sandy well, BELIEVES Sandy wants to stay for a few more years. That’s reasonable. He probably has a pretty good feel for Sandy’s thinking. If an offer of the Commissioners job, or perhaps some other top flight job in MLB, is made, Sandy would be foolish to pass. But barring a better opportunity, it seems Sandy could be with us in 2016. I’m down with that. Sandy has done a great job so far, and I’d love to see him reap the rewards of a contending team for a year or two.

  • jason bay

    Your man Colon’s money has already been spent but they probably have 5-6 M left kicking around.

    Doubt there much more than that.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    they were closer than the WS winning cardinals at the same time in July.

    Did the Cardinals trade Pujols and their closer ?

    No.

    thats called throwing in the towel.

    and still, the mets would’ve done better allowing k-rod to finish the season and then trade him, eating 7 mil of the option, so said team essentially gets him on a 1 year deal.

    Instead they ate 4 mil in 2012 salary by paying for his 2012 buyout and got back 2 lawnmower men.

    then added a 6 mil closer in FF. bringing the total closer investment up to 10 mil….

    that is a short sighted and terrible waste of resources.

    they could’ve just allowed the season to play out, allowed K-Rod to retain his value, then trade him to a team in need of a closer, on a short term deal

    risky?

    not at all.

    the only time u put him in the game is if its a save situation….

    if he’s in that many save situations, it means ur in a playoff hunt…and u likely have more people coming to ur games.

    again, alderson handled reyes, johan, hairston and k-rod horribly.

    i cant blame him for wright, i dont think that was his call.

    a team not scared of the bad reaction from the press goes and does what is right for the team…

    if this means breaking camp in 2011 with castillo at 2B than so be it…

    if he was productive, he too could’ve been a trade chip…

    instead, alderson confessed to fan reaction being a primary motivator for releasing castillo, he himself said he couldnt understand the vitirol towards him as his ST production was o .

    castillo showed up on time in shape, outplayed eamus and murphy and HU ( remember him )
    and for the majority of his career, he had a nice well-mannered quiet humble reputation.

    Alderson literally released a player b/c of the press

    that again is a terrible usage of resources.

    Hu and Eamus were off the team w/i weeks, they basically used the first 3 weeks of regular season play as an audition for journeyman, rather than to showcase a potential trade chip.

    That to me was the first sign of trouble.

    I was really hoping Alderson wouldnt be a puppet for the media scared wilpons. when i saw that, then his statements on Reyes SB being a footnote, then him move the fences and pointing to HR being an entertainment factor, then how he handled the Reyes negotiations, then how Wright got signed w/o even exploring the trade market, than seeing how they got into a PR stink with Dickey, then seeing how they got into a PR stink with Johan, not to mention the PR stinks with Tejada ( which i imagine will come up again when he fights them about his service time mishap )
    then the PR stink with Ike Davis…

    one after another after another…

  • jason bay

    If the team had the money that would have clearly been the way to go starting with Chapman back in 2010.

    Cespedes, Puig and Diaz are all players we could have used. I am surprised though that the Yankees haven’t been after any of the Cubanos.

  • Joey D.

    Jason,

    Now I’ll be crying 45 tears. (:

  • Joey D.

    Hi chago,

    Actually, I left the office early to see my mom in the nursing home because she turned 92 today. It’s only a 15 minute drive from work and the home is across the street from where I live so I got home about 3:30 PM and so when you got up was about the time I started taking a snooze myself!

  • yfern328

    Wouldn’t bet on that. The offer they made to Balfour was larger than the one he signed for. Sandy confirmed that in the NYDN. My guess is they probably have about 15M left to spend this year. Either they will sign Drew for under 10M on their terms, or they will save the money for a mid-season acquisition if they need to.

  • jason bay

    The Mets have been bringing in the oldest possible players for over a decade now.

    Glavine, El-Duque, Wagner, Pedro, Alou, Sandy Alomar Jr., John Franco, Julio Franco, Roberto Hernandez, Shawn Green, Delgado, Vaughn, Dickey, Blanco, GMJ, Dessens, Sheffield, Takahashi, Easley, Lo Duca, Valentin, Stinnett, DiFelice, Trachsel, Cassanova, Conine.

    I believe it’s Saul Katz’ idea to have an old team. Makes him feel young when he’s around the guys.

  • Fonzie

    Confirmed by who? You? He left on his own accord right after ownership ordered payroll be cut in half from nearly 80 million to 40 million.

  • Fonzie

    Pagan was awful from May to August, absolutely dreadful. He had the best month of his career in August and a good September to salvage what would’ve been the worst year of his career into a decent one. He had zero trade value coming off 2011. If he was going to be traded it should’ve been after 2010.

  • Fonzie

    That’s not funny it’s absolutely hilarious. Then it gets even funnier when they compare the Mets with the Cardinals.

  • Joey D.

    Hi BBLB,

    You know we look at things the same way but I honestly do not think Sterling Mets (be it the Wilpons or Sandy) has the money to spend and this year what they did spend was money coming off the books which merely kept them continuing at the shoestring budget established.

    It’s because of that in which I argue they have not been able to go out and get the few missing pieces that Sandy said we were just short of in order to complete the picture for many of those missing pieces that were available would not have cost us the draft pick he said he would not have given up for 2013 and any more than 2014. What it would have cost us is money and the risk of those players not producing the results that would have propelled us into the position we thought we could have been.

    But isn’t that the “risk” all general managers face going into spring training with new faces?

    And in addition to just being short those missing pieces, Sandy also said heading into spring training last season:

    “Obviously, we say to ourselves, okay, we know what our situation will be in ‘13. We know what potential changes, improvements in our situation will take place going into ‘14. We know the money coming off. So there are things certainly that we can point to. But it’s really more of a qualitative approach and trying to check things off a list and trying to get better in this area and trying to do this and trying to do that as opposed to fixing a date. On the other hand, okay, we’re two years in. ‘13, ‘14, again, based on not so much the time invested but based on where we are with our catching, where we are with our pitching, where we are with the infield, where we are with the outfield. We’re getting there.”

  • Gregg Nice

    No but you can pay them. Reyes should have been a Met for life. Now we still don’t have a SS 2 years later or a leadoff hitter. Also the Mets could have locked up Reyes before he hit Free Agency, like they did with Wright. Instead they didn’t even offer him.

    I don’t really care if the Mets sign expensive free agents. But I do expect them to keep their own star players. I suppose that’s too much to expect from a NY baseball team.

    And please don’t compare Cano and Reyes. Cano got over 200 million. Reyes signed to a reasonable 107 mill deal. As a 28 year old.

  • Martin

    Big time players make it to free agency and move, it happens to all teams. It’s the nature of the game, you can’t just have everyone you want permanently

  • Fair enough.

  • Gregg Nice

    Didn’t happen with Wright. I see no reason why we couldn’t have kept Reyes at the price he left for. It’s not like he got 200 or high 100’s. Kid got 107.

    But you seem intent on making a point about Free agency. So I’ll bow out of this conversation.

  • Martin

    Correct. You don’t seem to understand the nature of free agency. It allows players to go wherever they want, and they often do. There is nothing the team losing the player can do. It happens, to every team, all the time. Even the Yankees.

  • Gregg Nice

    That’s where you’re wrong. Sometimes there is nothing a team can do, like the Yankees with Cano, Angels with Pujols. But the Mets had every opportunity to sign Reyes to a reasonable contract and they never even offered him one.

    Your theory that the Mets just lost Reyes because free agency is a reality, and those are simply the breaks, is misguided at best, and lazy at worst.

  • Martin

    Your point that Reyes was signable is about as correct as you assertion that you were to bow out of the conversation.

    The mets, like about 25 other teams, would have liked to have Reyes. They couldn’t afford him. Again, you just are unaware of how the concept of free agency works. You might as well whine that the mets did not sign every good free agent in history.

  • VfJ

    and some guy named Beltran…

  • VfJ

    I will say…
    I liked the FF signing at the time…Sandy reached to try to fortify the pen and dude got hurt…
    dude gets hurt…all 20/20 hindsight after that…it happens…

  • Spartacus

    It’s a shame it’s not working. He’s one of the reasons I rarely come here anymore.

  • VfJ

    Have to admit I can’t tag Sandy’s record for the last 3 losing seasons as he was handed a stinking bag of sheet when he took over the Metsys…Someday soon we will miss him…unless you think jeffe is the ONE…

  • VfJ

    Disagree…

  • VfJ

    We will miss him when he is gone…

  • Spartacus

    Fuson was an area scout yes but it was Alderson who hired him as scouting director to run his drafts. Area scouts are a dime a dozen.

    Where’s you link proving that Alderson overruled Fuson? There’s articles stating that Alderson overruled his scouts and took McGwire over Shane Mack and Odibe McDowell but I’ve never seen anything saying he picked Prieto over Helton.

    And can you name a team that surrounded their GM with garbage scouts and the team still building a championship team or does that only apply to Alderson.

    What GM had a bad staff and was able to overcome that bad staff and win. You guys will say anything to take away his accomplishments. As well as make him the scapegoat for things that were out of his control.

  • DrDooby

    The Mets tried to negotiate an extension with Reyes during the 2011 season – but Reyes wanted to wait until after the season.

    At that point in time, the Mets had compiled operating losses of 70 million, their owners got sued for 1 billion dollar, a firm specialised in restructuring and bankruptcy cases had been hired and Sandy Alderson’s projected payroll of “in the 115 million range” had shrunk to barely 100 million for 2012. Meanwhile, the Mets were still in the middle of paying the price for heavily backloading contracts with a cool 90+ million combined left on the tab for the final two years of the Jason Bay and Johan Santana deals, so taking more from that toxic potion wasn’t an option either.

    It’s pretty obvious that the Mets weren’t going to be able to give Reyes a market value deal at that time any more. However, the question is, why wasn’t he traded – even with the hamstring issue – in July when this became more & more obvious ?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    “Todd Helton was my guy the whole time. This guy Ariel Prieto comes out of nowhere in the last month. So I fly in to see him and, boy, he’s really good. So I say, ‘Sandy, there’s a guy here who’s much different than the rest of these amateurs. He’s older, he’s more polished. This guy might be big league ready real fast.’ So we had many pow-wows about which way to go – Helton, Prieto, Helton, Prieto, Helton, Prieto. And when it all came down to it, he wanted to go that way, and that’s the way we went.”

    Grady Fuson – 3-23-2012

  • Just_Da_damaja

    in 2012 ?

    he had the 3rd highest batting avg among all CF in all of baseball.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Most players who have assumed all the risk dont negotiate when they are 10 weeks away from being a free-agent..

    David Wright in 9/12 said either the mets sign him over the winter or he’s gonna be a free-agent…

    he didnt wait til the season was even over …

    The Mets KNEW Reyes was not going to negotiate…

    who do you think leaked that to Adam Rubin? Reyes?

    No.

    It was the mets front office, who wanted to portray Reyes as someone who didnt really want to stay….

    Wright on the other hand, came out and said there would be NO NEGOTIATIONS after the winter of 2012…

    Me thinks that would have some effect on his trade value

    David Wright wasnt thinking about the Mets, David was thinking of David. as any other athlete does.

    athlete = entertainer.

    David would wear Phillie Red or Yankee Navy Blue if they offered him 180 mil for 9 years..

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Ike, Duda, Colon, Balfour and Young this year would = 30 million

  • Just_Da_damaja

    ummm the one from Chicago Cubs ???

  • Just_Da_damaja

    as opposed to the rock solid long track Colon has ???

    or signing Granderson to 60 mil ?

    or signing a platoon player to 7 mil ???

    are u serious ???

  • Just_Da_damaja

    so now that its Sandy pulling the strings, its Saul Katz’s fault??

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Not that good?

    He’s been in the league 2 years.

    Year 1 – top 10 MVP, 2nd in ROY

    Year 2 – hits .240 with 26 HR in a pitchers park.

    We are praying that Curtis Granderson can do that for 60 mil out of RF.

    Sweet Jesus, put the pom poms down.

    Why didnt Sandy resign Byrd for half of what he gave Granderson ?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Tejada – PED’s
    Giambi – PED’s
    McGuire – PED’s
    Canseco – PED’s
    Chavez – Career cut short by injuries
    Hudson – great

    Not looking so hot now when u think about it…

    on a good note, his best pickup was Tony LaRussa…

    wish he could’ve gotten Tony to come here

  • Just_Da_damaja

    No, you are lying.

    Dickey was our 2nd best SP in 2010, and signing him to that deal was seen as prudent.

    What was seen as impossible was getting the best CF free-agent to hit the market in MLB history to come and play for a complete inept front office and utter disaster we called the 2004 Mets.

    At the time, the biggest talk was the Zambrano/Kazmir debacle…and before that Roberto Alomar telling the press that the Mets were clueless with handling Hispanic players ( which resulted in them temporarily hiring a translator / liason )…and before that it was the Piazza moving to 1B debacle…

    lets not forget Steve Clinton Phillips …and the awesome way he crapped on Beltran’s agent and his client in 2000 ( A-Rod….which truth be told, he was right about )

    and how can we forget the awesome way we gave Vlad Guerrero the worst possible deal ever given to a free-agent.

    It was like a 3 year deal with 3 seperate 1 year options. Ridiculous for a MVP winner.

    Omar got alot more props for Beltran and finding DICKEY than Alderson did for resigning Dickey and trading Beltran.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    No.

    when new ownership came on, they brought their own team in.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Thats if Ricciardi wants it…

  • Spartacus

    So you obviously read that somewhere but refuse to post the the link as well as refuse to post the link saying he overruled his scouts when they selected McGwire over Shane Mack and Odibe McDowell. He also selected Jason Giambi who put up Monster numbers as a first baseman so I don’t think the Helton pick set them back any. Also as GM they also developed Chavez, Tejada, Ramon Hernandez, Tim Hudson Mark Mulder, Eric Burns Ben Grieve, Scott Spiezio, Kevin Gregg, Rod Beck, Kevin Tapani, Walt Weiss, Mark McGwire, Terry Steinbach, Giambi. Even Zito was selected by Fuson a year after Sandy stepped down Funny, no mention of those guys. Things don’t look so bad when you’re not cherry picking the negatives and failing to mention the positives.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    http://athleticsfarm.com/2012/03/23/exclusive-as-super-scout-and-moneyball-bad-guy-grady-fuson-gives-the-lowdown-on-life-in-baseball-and-as-prospects-to-watch/

    and picking PED lifers like McGuire and Giambi and Tejada is not impressive.

    The A’s back in the 80’s had a good marriage of old school philosophies from guys the ownership surrounded Sandy with…later Sandy reading Bill James started employing some of the techniques and strategies…

    I’m not a Sandy hater, I just think he has to be surrounded by the Omar Minaya’s and Joe McCllvaines and Gerry Hunsickers of the world in order to be effective.

    Unless of course his job is to slash payroll and once in a while bring back a prospect…

    in that case, he’s the perfect man for the job.

    Here is some insight on his way of thinking

    http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/06/chatting-with-sandy-alderson-part-1.html

    When I got into the game, I didn’t have any real background in baseball, so I wasn’t burdened by any [laughs] traditional notions of how to evaluate players or construct teams. I was particularly open to people like Bill James and Eric Walker. Walker wrote a book called The Sinister First Baseman, a little paperback, which was actually quite instructive.

    Ducksnorts: He’s the guy who does High Boskage?

    Alderson: Right… I’d say there were two competitive theories at that time, personified on the one hand by Earl Weaver and on the other hand by Gene Mauch. Weaver believed in the three-run homer, and Mauch believed in little ball.

    “From my standpoint it was the Eric Walkers and the Bill James who I think were able to very adequately support the Earl Weaver approach to the game in terms of overall success and what created the highest probability for success. That tied in nicely because to me the home run is like the 80-yard pass, like the three-point shot. It’s the kind of thing in which you can enjoy the anticipation.

    There are a lot of things in baseball and other sports that are more athletic, and more immediate, and more reactive, but you don’t have the same sense of anticipation. I like home runs [laughs] — people like home runs — and so it was nice to see the concepts support that notion.”

    Sandy on the benefits of moving the fences in

    “The second is that, to some extent, it’s a question of entertainment. The hardcore baseball, I think, enjoys the 2-1, 3-2 [games]. We’re appealing to a little broader segment. And I think offense is appealing. Offense sells.”

    9-21-2011

    Sandy on Daniel Murphy’s 2012 season ( the one where he was ranked dead last in fielding for 2B )

    “I think we’re happy with what we got from Murph. He developed into an acceptable, probably average defensive second baseman. I think there’s more offense there. I’m little disappointed with his power production, which we think he has. He can be better on base.”

    again, the emphasis is on Power and OBP

    “Curtis Granderson, Chris Young, Juan Lagares and Eric Young Jr. will compete for the starting outfield, which will mostly be determined by who hits best in spring training, Sandy Alderson told WFAN in Tuesday.”

    Sandy Alderson – 2-11-2014

    again, time and time again, Sandy has a cookie cutter one size fits all philosophy.

    Its all about power and OBP

    defense is an after thought…

    this is why he is still squeezing Duda in the OF….

    this is why Flores gets jerked around so many positions

    this is why he has a great defensive 2B playing a mediocre SS

    Sandy is the guy that is more impressed with the back of a baseball card than the final outcome of the game.

    and until he realizes how simple we are in NY…

    that all we wanna do is WIN

    he will never be a successful GM in NYC

    marinate on that

    gotta run now

    🙂

  • Andrew Herbst

    Exactly.

  • Dark HelMet

    He’s done his job. Now he’s just beginning his second job.

  • Dark HelMet

    I think everyone understood that. It’s still nuts.

  • Dark HelMet

    You are such a troll.

  • Fonzie

    And what team was that? Alderson resigned and Moorad the new owner took over as CEO. Towers and Fuson were the only two fired. Most of the rest of the staff was retained including DePodesta. Moorad wanted Alderson to stay because he wanted to keep the Padres with a sabermetric philosophy. Alderson resigned because the team was cutting payroll by 50%, the same reason why he split on Oakland. And if the Wilpons don’t start increasing payroll then he’s gonna split from here too.

  • Fonzie

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=paganan01&year=2012&t=b#month::none

    Look at his month to month splits.

    April 250/281/478 10 of his 13 hits for the month went for XBH’s which is why his Slug% was decent 3 2B 3 3B 4 HR 8 RBI 13 Runs
    May 375/422/462 7 2B 1 3B 0 HR 11 RBI 13 R
    June 245/302/306 3 2B 0 3B 1 HR 11 RBI 12 R
    July 210/244/309 6 2B 1 3B 0 HR 5 RBI 4 R
    So the first 4 months of the season he hit 275/318/362 680 OPS

    Then he goes on to have an the biggest month of his career in August
    Aug 342/425/588 11 2B 4 3B 3 HR 15 RBI 32 R Sept 276/317/448 8 2B 6 3B 0 HR 6 RBI 21 R

    Actually May was a good BA month and Sept was the AVG BA month but as you can see he was OPSing 680 on August 1st and was frequently replaced for defense in the late innings. August truned around what was to that point a bad year.

  • Fonzie

    August turned

  • RyanF55

    Explain to me how ownership not willing to spend is a GM’s fault? Please explain how Sandy has capped payroll on his own. I’m sure Jeff and Freddy are running to him asking him to spend more, right?

  • Fonzie

    Beltran and Reyes were in their walk years and hadn’t exactly spent much time in the field in the previous two years. Wright had only a year and an option left. It wasn’t like Alderson inherited these guys as young controllable talent like Minaya did when he took over as Wight and Reyes were in their first full year in Minaya’s first year and Beltran had just been signed for 7 years.

    What about Mookie Wilson, Hubie Brooks, Jesse Orosco, Wally Backman, Craig Swan, Mike Scott, Jeff Reardon. Those guys don’t count as talent? Orosco was inherited and was on the mound to close out game 7. Hubie Brooks, Fitzgerald, Youmans and Winningham turned into Gary Carter, Neil Allen and Ownbey were turned into Keith Hernandez. Mazzilli was turned into Darling and Terrell and Terrell into HoJo. Cashen also had number one picks, 3 first rounders in 1980 alone.

    He inherited a much better situation than Alderson did and it’s not even close. To say that Cashen didn’t inherit any talent is such a line of BS. He inherited a bad team but they had young talent to move in trades and a ton of top draftpicks to work with. Cashen didn’t have to deconstruct first and then rebuild. He already had a blank canvas to work with.

    Alderson has gotten one position player from the farm from his predecessor, and of the three pitchers he inherited Harvey, Gee and Niese he hasn’t had more than one of them for a full season yet.

    There’s not a GM on this planet who wouldn’t rather take over Cashen’s Mets over Alderson’s Mets. That’s not even debatable. All that Talent Alderson inherited couldn’t play 500 ball the previous two years before he got there and couldn’t hold onto large division leads in late September the previous two years before that.

    It amazes how Met fans forget just how much of a disaster this franchise was before Alderson got here and that’s without Madoff factoring into the equation. The baseball operations of this franchise had been an utter dysfunctional mess since Cashen stepped down.

    I would think since you’re using Hodges as your tag that you’ve been a fan long enough to realize this.

  • Mike

    You’re such a moron you’d argue against anything I said if I said the sky was blue you’d say “BLUE?? It’s purple!!!!”

  • Mike

    Again funny how u don’t mention the Wilpons who r the main culprits when it comes to this teams recent lean yrs. They’re the ones who entrusted sll of their money to a crook they’re the ones who r running a NYC mlb team with an 85 mm payroll. Tgey’re the ones who oked all of the horrific contracts Omar signed Sandy is a well respected mlb lifer who has 3 ws appearances and a championship which is more than most gms. U obviously just have some axe to grind with him not to admit how he’s turned this farm system around the last three yrs. Can’t wait til they’re a perennial winner so u’ll shut up about our “terrible gm”

  • Mike

    They’re all short term deals though if we signed all of those Cubans that’s 20 total yrs if commited dollars vs 9.

  • jason bay

    The time to have gotten Reyes signature on a deal was in 2010 after he had shown his hamstring tendon surgery was successful.

    With over a year and a half to go before becoming a FA Reyes would have been happy to talk extension because he at that point was assuming all the risk of injury or performance. By signing a guy a year and a half before they are free to negotiate with everyone both sides make out, assuming they both want to stay.

    The shame of the situation with Reyes was they knew the situation with Madoff for over a year before they signed Bay and they went ahead and signed him anyway.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid.

  • Gregg Nice

    “Oh no. Free Agency is a reality. And there is absolutely nothing teams can do to plan for it. You just have to hope you get lucky in retaining the players you want, and/or hope you win before they choose to leave.” – Martin.

    Do you do this when you hear the weather report too? “Oh there is a big snowstorm coming, I’m not going to buy a shovel or salt, because there is nothing you can do to prepare for anything in life.”

    Thankfully you are not a G.M. Or a parent.

  • Martin

    Do me a favor and do not put quotes around words I did not say. It makes it difficult to discuss things.

  • Martin

    I do not understand how this name calling advances your point, or even if it is within the rules of the forum.

    You do understand how free agency is designed to give players the right to play for any team, without any restriction? This means that when a player reaches free agency, the power is with him, and not his former team.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    whats the total dollars ?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Bueller…?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    well Sandy was willing to spend more money on Colon, Young and Balfour than any of the available Cuban players that were available ( and some are STILL available )

    Any thoughts ?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    going into the end of last season, we were looking at a 2014 committed payroll of 33 mil, arbitration bumped it up to 48 mil

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Ah4PW47PiAi-dHdrS3c5Mmw0eUJPRkZ6RXItQi16bnc&output=html

    they added 30 mil in the 3 free agents… thats now up to 78 mil…

    they added the cost of insurance. Bay’s 6 mil payout and are around 85 mil…

    so tell me…

    exactly, what did that new found flexibility buy us ?

    DId we extend any of the young kids yet ?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Yes the same Bochy credited with bringing Molina in to mentor their all-star catcher…and their young pitching staff…

  • jason bay

    Yeah.

    We spent more on Pedro, Wagner, Castillo, Alou, Perez, Schoenweis and Bay then Chapman, Igleisis , Morales, Viciedo, Hechavarria, Alexei Ramirez and Leoneys Martin got too so there is nothing new about this.

    also I’m unclear how the 39 M offered to Colon, Young and Balfour exceeds the 66 M given to Abreu. You weren’t using the convertible peso were you? News flash, that’s on the way out. Cash ’em in if you got ’em LOL.

    Seriously though. How is 39 M a greater sum than 66 M?

    As for Guerrero, Arruebarruena and Diaz I don’t even know what they signed (or will sign for) but I would love those guys. Ryu too. It’s a great opportunity to score top prospects with just cash and not have to give up picks, other prospects or trade players we need off the Major League roster.

    I wish we would have done that this year, last year and every year before that but we didn’t. Haven’t signed a Cuban ball player since Duquette signed Soler and previous to that was the lottery Harazin got Ordonez in.

    From the Pacific Rim your talking Shinjo, Yoshi, Kim, Matsui, both Takahaschi’s, Igaraschi (Rocket boy)

    Reading between the lines I would say the most logical reason is our owners don’t have the money to spend on the Major League roster the way the Dodgers do. Look at Ryu, Puig, Greinke, Crawford, Kemp, Ethier, Beckett, A Gon, Kershaw. To that you can now add Guerrera and Arruebarreuna. Looks like the Dodgers are a well funded baseball team.

    How many guys making those kinds of dollars do you see on the Mets?

  • KennyandtheMets

    This is probably just a semantic debate, but I would say that his job is the same as it was from the beginning. Building a sustained winning team. Your second job, I would call the second phase of the same job.
    Basically, I think we agree in principal. But of course, you and I aren’t allowed to agree with each other. Lol

  • Fonzie

    Convertible peso? LMFAO… I just spit Diet Coke through my nose from laughing.

  • Mike

    Hey I agree with u. Don’t bitch to me bitch to the Wilpons they’re the ones who are cash strapped and too stubborn to sell

  • Mike

    Give me a break so he fired bochy he brought in bud black who everyone raves about in sd. Managers mean very little in baseball they write the lineup and handle the bp. Players play the gm. If Bochy is so amazing how come the giants stunk last yr?